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One Terabyte On a 12-inch^H^H^H^Hcm Disk
News for nerds writes: "At InterOpto'02 - international optoelectronics exhibition hold in Chiba, Japan - OPTWARE Co.Ltd. made up of ex-Sony engineers, demoed(in Japanese) 1-terabyte super-high speed optical disk system "T-VRD." It uses hologram and stores 1 terabyte data in a 12-cm-CD-size disc, with 100Mbps - 1Gbps transfer rate. Available in 2003 as 19-inch rackmount, 2005 for PC." Update: 07/16 18:33 GMT by T : Sorry, that's centimeters, not inches, which is of course even better ;)
There's a big difference there....
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Another opportunity for the RIAA to change formats and resell everything!
Anything you say will be held against you.
12 cm is much more impressive..
Though I don't doubt that it will be very expensive upon release, that would be really nice for storing all of my mp3's and anime on one disc. I'm sure it would also be great for anyone doing video editing or any other space intensive task. I can't wait until it hits the consumer market and the prices begin to bottom out.
Look Out, the RIAA and MPAA are gonna have a field-day once they catch wind of this technology...in 2015.
Must be using that nasa metric converter...
Though personaly I prefer http://metricsucks.com/convert.html
then I go around saying:
" My 12 inches packs a Terabyte! Want an upload?"
"The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away" -Tom Waits
Solid state storage I want for speed, sure optical disc's are great for capacity at the expense of speed.
Ok, I have a compromise, solid state optical storage.
Shouldnt be too hard, I mean, Star Trek and co have been doing it for years.
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Only in certain instances...
Is your real name Bill Gates by chance?
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and there's a world market for maybe 6 computers total....and 256KB should be enought memory for anybody....and I thought I'd never find a use for my 250MB HDD.... as long as they keep building more storage and faster CPU, we will find ways to write in enough code bloat to use it.
Babelfish's rather loose translation:
From the past it is researched, applying the " hologram system ", the system which was developed. With hologram system of conventional type there was a problem in compatibility and the like of the existing media such as miniaturization and cost and DVD. With the technology which this time is announced, you say these weak points were overcome by using the same company individual " polarized light Cori near hologram technology " and so on.
Hologram technology until recently, using two object glasses, had the necessity to irradiate separate " reference beam " and " signal light ". You say with polarized light Cori near hologram technology these from one object glass the economical space, cost decrease is actualized by the fact that it makes lighting possible. In addition, we have assumed it can maintain also the compatibility of the DVD and the CD media.
I'm not sure if the translation is making it accurate or not, but it looks like this is indeed using holographic storage and not just holographic printing.
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> Computer technology has pretty much advanced about as far as is necessary.
Its almost grammarically incorrect to say something like that without punctuating it by sticking your foot in your mouth in 3 years.
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MMMm.... First off, I wonder what interface format they will use between the disk and the motherboard? SCSI? IDE? Something completely different? Anyway, whatever they use, I'd love to see a level-0 stripe right across 4 or so of these babies ;) Speed and storage!
12 cm = 4.72 inches
That is impressive.
I will ask santa for one next christmas.
It's all good.
'nuff said...
retrorocket.o not found, launch anyway?
(cut to shot of rocket blasting off, lifting 5 feet off the ground, then falling back to earth in a huge fireball)
NASA Scientist: Oops.
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are you on crack??
2 months ago i thought 80gigs would be all i needed, right now i'm scoping out an extra 120g to add to my system... you can never have too much storage, or speed...
Now I can finally back up my system! Been waiting years to do that ;P
:)
And of course, the obligatory RIAA/MPAA annoyance note...
"WOW, I could store like 100,000 MP3s, or around 200 DVD-style movies on ONE disc! Hope I can hook it up to my TV so I can RECORD LOTS of shows on it! Maybe even some new HIGH-DEFINITION signals!"
Technology marches on...
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"No one will ever need more than 640K of RAM"
A decade ago, no one forsaw a need for Ghz processors, GB of RAM, Gigabit ethernet, etc. I think your comment is shortsighted.
No one needs a terabyte disk. No one needs a 50" monitor. No one needs 10GB RAM. No one needs a 10GHz CPU.
Can I put that in my quotes file, right next to "640K should be enough for anybody"?
If you have a terabyte of storage, you can keep EVERYTHING you ever look at, plus about 3x the space for various indices in case you want to find it again.
Now, if they were talking about a petabyte, you might have a point.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
i wonder how scratch-resistant this is;
i mean -- one little scratch will now render hundreds of megabytes unreadable...
makes no difference to me if in the end half the storage space is dedicated to data-redundancy.
i want those little data-cubes you keep seeing in Sci-Fi movies. those are neater than the disk format.
My life in the land of the rising sun.
Salesman: "For only $150 more, you could get a 1.2GB hard drive instead of this 850MB."
Me: "What would I need all that space for?"
Trust me, Windows 2012 Supa Dupa edition will find a way to take up a 1TB disk during initial install.
When technology exceeds what is needed for current tasks, new tasks will arise. We can't necessarily say what those tasks will be (if we could, we would start up companies to develop those products), but we can see some recent examples. When hard drive capacities shot up in the past few years, first MP3 collections took off, then TiVo and ReplayTV arose.
(I guess I've been trolled. Oh well.)
The corporation optical wear the 1TB (the tera- byte) announced the optical disk technology " tera- byte optical disk system " whose it is possible to write capacity, to the disk of 12cm CD size in the comprehensive exhibition " InterOpto'02 " of optical industrial technology.
From this Babelfish Translation
Since the only country in this world whom use Imperial system it's the USA, I bet for the 12cm disk !
Anyways since the end of the Vinyl Era nobody will make an 12 inch disk
Ceci n'est pas une Signature !
Hmmm
No future sight there.
What was the quote from the CEO at IBM, something like,
"I believe worldwide there is a market for 25 computers." That was said in the 60's. And it did not sound ridiculous. As for the 50 inch monitor, for my desk NO, but damn would that be nice for a monitoring system on a wall. As for 10 GB RAM welcome to the minimum system specs for Windows (Insert random suffix here) in 10 years.
Computers get more powerful. We force them to do more and more and expect them to be able to do more and more.
Don't ever say technology has hit it's peak we will always advance.
I am 31337 or something.
Now I can finally get those jewel cases for my record collection!
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Dude, did he just say turd?
{smirk}
If you tools would click on the link, you'd see it's the size of a CD.
You are absolutly right. I still use my Tandy 8086! Who could possibly need more than 640K? ;)
the man who wished for a 12 inch pianist? =)
In all seriousness, it was just a matter of time before this happened. Seems like if you want to do anything these days you have to totally rethink it and build it from the ground up. Holograms huh? Whoduthunkit?
bla bla bla InterOpto'02 bla bla bla 12cm CDbla bla bla
RTFA!
I want 2D games back.
For all we know, the page could be saying, "look at all those Slashdot fools who thing that this page actually contains information, HA HA HA!!!"
It would be very impressive if this is for real... Question is how much will it cost, will it be recordable, etc?
i.e. does it have any showstoppers that will prevent it from making Philips' blue laser disc technology stillborn?
retrorocket.o not found, launch anyway?
If you had a terabyte of MP3s, you would have approximately 250,000 songs, if you assume an average song is 4MB. If there are approximately 12 songs on a CD, you would have to own 20,833 CDs.
If you had 1MB of video per minute, you could hold one million minutes of video. That comes out to 16666 hours of video. It would take you 694 days to watch every minute of that, or a little under 2 years!
Now, who has that much content? Hmm? Correct my math, if I messed up. I'm not feeling too good today...
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This makes IBM look bad (well, even worse)...haven't they been working on holographic storage for years and years and years?!
In 25 years, we will all be using the same PCs we are today. They'll be smaller, and software will be better, but we really won't need any more power than we have now.
Isn't that the same thing IBM said, oh, 25 years ago?
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... of how much porn you could fit on one of these. :)
Why, no, I haven't meta-moderated lately. Thanks for asking!
In related news. Sony announces it will immediatley begin selling these disks to consumers.
;-)
Optware Spokesman:
"We were thinking it would take 10 years the technology to be needed, but bad jokes about our hardware's "12 inch vs. 12 cm" capabilities, beowulf of them, and how much prOn one could store on it completly overwhelmed previous storage technologies"
So close and yet so far from the world's perfect ID number
And of course, it's 120 mm = 12cm != 12 inches ~= 36 cm...
Because CD-media size is a must !Basically, they:
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Where you have a domestic use for the technology we can be pretty sure we'll both see it, and see it at a reasonable price.
Can you say V C D? A movie is ~1.3 GB. If I wanted a decent collection I would need a lot of storage space.
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IBM said we'll have it in 5 years...oh wait...
That's alot of space.
That can hold one heck of alot of spyware!
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probably not going to happen, but it would allow studios to put what is currently 2 DVD's onto 1. Or it would be nice to get a DVD of every Kubrick film on one CD. The only downside of this is when toddlers take out the disk and start using it as a toy. There goes 200.00 of movies in 5 seconds.
Now I'll have enough room for all of my porn!! (If I get 2 discs)
on one disk!
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
Seems to me they are.... It used to be the FSB limited at 100mhz, but now we have 533mhz bus speeds, and our hard drives are laggin behind badly.
Anyone that has used a hard drive with a 8 meg buffer will say they can feel the difference. My guess is that these things will support Serial ATA before conventional hard drives do. (j/k)
I think that most people would side with the fact that as a whole consumers have picked what size disc they want. We want media with the same diameter as a CD/DVD from here on out whenever possible. Why? They're easy to keep track of... unlike the little Dataplay cartridges that we've all seen stories about. I personally wonder why would you want something that small when you could have something of a more manageable size that uses the same technology... Discs maintaining the same size also ensures future drives will play old media. My DVD deck will play CDs etc... Which a very good point was made that record labels don't mind a format change to provide extra income once in a while. Collectively they've just got to learn to get over it and produce more new product worth buying... you know... good music. On the other hand you could also look at it this way. This data storage format will initially not be needed by your average consumer. Producing a propreitary system would cut initial costs to bring the technology to market. Then money could be made of the product and directed to adapting the technology to a consumer audience. It might cost much more for them to cram all the work into a 5.25 drive... or it might not be possible. Speaking of which... that is the weirdest drive enclosure I think I've ever seen... looks like a PS2 on crack.
A terabyte is really not THAT much in some applications. For example at my work they have very large medical images (electronic X-ray images and so on). These have to be very detailed so they are big. Since this is also the biggest hospital of Europe there are lots of images coming in every day (several hundreds a day, I don't have exact figures) so this grows quickly indeed.
Keep in mind that a terabyte is only 1000 gigabyte. I have a digital video camera which I plan to connect to my future computer to work on video's. If you like to store huge movies on disk then this huge capacitity will get small very quickly indeed.
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Well sorta ...
at 100mbit/sec, we can say about 12.5 mbyte/sec transfer rates. That is really slow now-a-days for a hard drive. 1gbit/sec (125mbyte/sec) is decent, but with UDMA100/UDMA133 standard right now, this technology seems to be behind times in speed when it finally gets released for PCs a year or two from now.
Remember, the hard drive is probably the bottleneck in almost every PC and server, particularly with huge databases. I would really like to see hard drives get faster and faster instead of bigger and bigger.
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No one needs a terabyte disk.
;)
Talk to the computer vision people. MPEG and JPEG compession work in part by throwing out a lot of information that the human vision system won't miss. Applying current machine vision algorithms to such data doesn't work at all well due to compression artifacts.
Consider the latest digitally-produced Star Wars episode. If that were stored in uncompressed form, it'd take about three terabytes. (Assuming 2k by 3k frames, 24 fps, and two hour running time.)
Nice troll, though
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The corporation optical wear the 1TB (the tera- byte) announced the optical disk technology " tera- byte optical disk system " whose it is possible to write capacity, to the disk of 12cm CD size in the comprehensive exhibition " InterOpto'02 " of optical industrial technology.
//www.optware.co.jp/ja/main.html
From the past it is researched, applying the " hologram system ", the system which was developed. With hologram system of conventional type there was a problem in compatibility and the like of the existing media such as miniaturization and cost and DVD. With the technology which this time is announced, you say these weak points were overcome by using the same company individual " polarized light Cori near hologram technology " and so on.
Hologram technology until recently, using two object glasses, had the necessity to irradiate separate " reference beam " and " signal light ". You say with polarized light Cori near hologram technology these from one object glass the economical space, cost decrease is actualized by the fact that it makes lighting possible. In addition, we have assumed it can maintain also the compatibility of the DVD and the CD media.
Difference of data record method such as CD drive Device of record to tera- byte disk
Those where the reflecting horizon where structure of the tera- byte disk media puts the cubic measure hologram record material with the disk baseplate of the glass make, the pre- format is done is pasted in the one side. It is not the glass in the future, you call the schedule where the disk baseplate of the plastic make is used. In addition, at the beginning the media of the is offered, but you say relying tub Lu it will be able to offer also the media in the future.
At the time of data record, signal light and reference beam are irradiated vis-a-vis this reflecting horizon, reference beam and the information light which are reflected to interfere inside the cubic measure hologram material, the data is recorded to the interference fringes which occur.
When grasping the device which grasps the hologram which irradiates only reference beam, is recorded to the cubic measure record material.
With the former DVD and CD drive, using single laser light, it does reading and writing, but with hologram technology, the bundle of the light whose large number is thin is used. In addition, the data was recorded until recently level at the bit unit, but with hologram record, it is possible to record to three-dimensional cubic measure hologram layer as a page data.
Because of that, with the disk media which uses hologram, it is possible to write the data of 3 ten thousand bit inside hologram of diameter 500 mu m. While the respective hologram to be piled up, because it is existence possible, we have assumed it is suitable for large increasing capacity. In addition, only the 1bit data transfer could do with the pickup of former DVD/CD drive, at one time, but because with hologram system the data of 3 ten thousand bit can be read and written at one time, also data rate improves substantially, you say data transfer with the 100Mbps - the 1gbps becomes possible.
Appraisal device " T-VRD " of the tera- byte optical disk system was displayed in the InterOpt meeting place, demonstration was done. At the same company, at the beginning we have assumed, introduction in TV station and the Government agency is anticipated, we have assumed on end of 2003 offer of 19 inch rack-mounted type system, furthermore it miniaturizes drive itself in 2005, it develops in for the foam/home server and the PC market as a consumer product.
The drive part of T-VRD When drive was opened. As for the media being stored by the cartridge, it is The corresponding disk was displayed from each company
Actually hologram it was recorded the media As for this way unused media. The record aspect has like the mirror high reflectance
Yoshio Chairman and CEO Aoki Chief Executive Officer
At the announcement meeting place, Yoshio the Aoki of Chairman and the CEO Chief Executive Officer greets, " presently in communication industry, per second also the 1TB thing data has become transmission possible. This the movie of 2 hours is something which is made transfeable in 0.1 seconds. Is, but when it reaches the point where it can exchange the large capacity data instantaneously, even on the storage side which retains that data large capacity and high speed the media which had transfer speed becomes necessary ", necessity of the tera- byte optical disk system was expressed.
" With the former CD and DVD drive, NA value of the object glass was increased, precision of recording density was increased by the fact that wave length of the laser is reduced. Is, but with this method already the limit has been visible ", also you talked, the disk system which uses hologram emphasized that it is the system which system differs until recently completely.
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uh ! nevermind
this is a media storage device not a computer
okay...back to smoking crack again.
>"640K should be enough for anybody"?
Sure. Who you gonna attribute this to?
Hint: It's not Bill. He never actually said it.
If you claim otherwise, provide documentation. At least a date. Preferably video or audio.
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A terabyte is roughly what, 100 dvd's? Hell, I own more movies than that, and I'm not even 30 yet. I'd love to not have to swap them just to watch.
Of course, by your line of thinking, a Commodore 64 suits everyone's needs: it has color, you can do programming, word processing, can get online, and even save your games on disks! Why would anyone need anything more?
Endless arguments over trivial contradictions in books written by ignorant savages to explain thunder in the dark.
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Software pirates in Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and Asia immediately began selling copies of NBC's entire 2006 TV lineup, Warcraft IV-10, Photoshop 2008, and MS Office Xtra-Ultra-Uber-Nextgen on the new disks for a street price of $5, all on one disk.
RIAA and MPAA lawyers assaulted Sony with lawsuits today, claiming that the disk assited in storage and dissemination of intellectual property and violating copyright control schemes.
Immediately after, Canadian and European lawyers under the control of movie and recording lobbyists added a hefty tax to the sale of each disk, with collected fees sent to movie and music companies.
Australians quickly installed $1 per/disc copy machines in Lucky Dragon stores across the continents.
Citizens of the USA tried to read reports about the new discs, but because a Microsoft lead consortium refused to provide digital certificates to news releases, Americans cannot view the files on their computers.
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How much do you think the complete library of congress disk is going to run? :)
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I thought size didn't matter but how you used it?
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Sorry, that's centimeters, not inches, which is of course even better ;)
:)
I am sure that plenty of women might argue with you there
"Hey! Unless this is a nude love-in, get the hell off my property!!"
Here is what I can see for future increases in storage:
Petabyte: Store your entire DVD collection, CD collection, MP3 collection, all of your digital photo's from a lifetime, books, documents, etc.
Exabyte (1 million Terabytes): This amount of storage will be useful if you want to record in hig-quality digital video all of yor life from your wearable computer that you take everywhere. You will be abel to access every moment of your life, every conversation and play it back at anytime. The type of memory would also come in handy for storing large, highly detailed Virtual Worlds of your own creation. This is exactly where I see 100GHz machines coming in handy - the ability to render realistic virtual worlds on the fly.
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I've got a couple of TiVo's, one with 200 GB of IDE disk in it and I'm running out of space. It's a nicer quality archive format than VHS, but limited in quantity.
I can foresee cheap wireless video cameras being used around the house for security monitoring being recorded to disk. That kind of application will eat up disk space in a hurry.
"Provided by the management for your protection."
Digital content creation has a need for such a storage device, providing it becomes cost effective. Personally, I do quite a bit of animation work that requires rather large amounts of storage space.
Granted, this would only make sense if it became cost comparitive with traditional high speed hard drive arrays.
> Sorry, that's centimeters, not inches, which is of course even better ;)
Scarcely matters if it's in a 19 inch rackmount, does it? I mean the technology is neat but a 19inch rack is a 19inch rack - doesn't matter how small the contents are (unless they don't fit in a 19inch rack at all...)
Not everything that can be measured matters; Not everything that matters can be measured.
Eh, what's the point of having that much storage space? Computer technology has pretty much advanced about as far as is necessary.
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Nice to see you joining us on slashdot, Bill.
I still remember when you told us all we'd never need more than 640k of RAM. Still trying to live that one down, aren't you?
On a more serious note, until I can render my entire featurelength movie with full 3d animation effects in realtime I won't be satisfied.
Indeed, that is only equivelent to a 1x CD-RW or DVD-RW, so even real time won't be acceptable.
Which means, until I can render my entire featurlength movie in 1 second and ship it out to all my friends and relatives in another second, I won't be satisfied.
But wait! I want to do that featurelength movie in HDTV 1080p format. Actually, since most of my friends have 1200p capability, I'd like to be able to render in 1920x1200 30 fps, 48bit color in under a second.
Well, movie making was fun, but now I prefer fully immersive virtual reality, at resolutions sufficient that the human eye can't tell the images aren't real. While realtime was initially fast enough for this rendering (no matter how fast I turn my head!), I find I want to render my worlds much more quickly than that to support multiple presences, so I can meet friends in my virtual world. So, until I can render all 3-d objects down to the molecular level in my entire, vast virtual world, in under a second, I won't be satisfied.
But wait! I'd like to
1 Terabyte sounds like a lot now, but I suspect we will find it to be very limited a few short years after it comes out. Human creativity is an amazing thing, and tends to push the boundries of whatever technical limits are placed upon it. I see no sign of this changing anytime soon, or of human creativity having come close to reaching some ephemeral "limit."
We won't be using the same computers in 20 years that we are today. Well, maybe some of the less flexible of us will be, but our children certainly won't be, and those of us more willing to keep up with a changing world likely won't be either.
Unless, of course, Hollywood is given veto power over all new technologies, in which case our children will be using computers more akin to the old IBM PC/XT my parents used back in the 80's, rather than what we're using today, but that is a tangent for another day.
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That example is irrelevant because the broadcasters will never let us record anything :).
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Flourescing(sp?) media uses 3D storage (holograms) to pack more data into a standard form-factor 120cm disc - albiet not as compact as 1cm, but they certainly could achieve that with.
These guys are still at it.. though when they wil release somethign to the market is anybody's guess. I was in brief contact with them over a particular application of their card technology.
Of course, they are attempting to develop for the commercial market, and include write-once and rewritable options. IMO, this is bigger 'news' though the trail seems to have gone stale on FD.
I want my terabytes on the desktop today, not a decade from now.
One TB on a single disc. Man, I hope the plastic coating is much more sturdy than on current CDs and DVDs, it's a lot of data to lose because you didn't set the disc properly and the drawer scratched the disc as it closed.
And titanium alloy jewel cases that aren't going to shatter and splinter when sent through the USPS or sat on by your kid/dog.
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"The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away" -Tom Waits
Even a petabyte...
dd if=/dev/brain of=/mnt/cdrom/wowbagger.backup
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As for the 100GHz machines, unless clustering has induced much more delay than I am used to expecting, you would still need many of those to render realistic virtual worlds on the fly, given the time it took to render scenes on render farms for films like Monsters, INC., toy story, FF:TSW, and others. a 10THz machine, with well optimized code, however, should be able to pull it off. Your 100GHz machine though would almost certainly be able to throw a primitive polygon-based version in realtime. Anyway, just my $0.02.
"Available in 2003 as 19-inch rackmount, 2005 for PC."
So...in about 2006 I'll have one in my car? Schweet! 1TB of Music!
It was Lockheed Martin that was using Imperial units.
NASA however apparently failed to read Lockheed Martins' code.
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If they were talking about a petabyte, then you could keep all of the scientific satellite data being sent down (terabytes daily) for awhile on one disk. Even a petabyte isn't enough for some purposes.
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I can just hear him now: "Lets screw up the units in the most obvious way possible and see how many people post about it. 10...20...30..."
Don't moderate flamebait as Troll. Know the difference or you will be Meta-moderated.
bash$ stty erase ^H
That should take care of the problem.
Imagine if you weren't allowed to use roads because a bus company complained about your driving 3 times. --skunkpussy
I have no idea who on Earth would need more than 640K but I do know that NASA needs 8086 chips. Plus if you have an 8-inch floppy drives they'd like those too.
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You are missing one order of magnitude. Which one is it?
'640 Kb should be enough for anyone.' - Bill Gates
When technology exceeds what is needed for current tasks, new tasks will arise.
That sounds a lot like Parkinson's Law. It used to be that necessity was the mother of invention. Now smaller, apparently useless inventions are the mothers of inventions. Unless someone designed this to store all the spam e-mail they get?
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I can see it now... con't. on p.44"
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It seems that games these days have awesome graphics but lack really good game play like the games of yesteryears. This is probably because game companies are focused on bedazzling all of these gamers with the fancy gfx, fog, lighting, yadda yadda yadda. Games can benefit from this new optical technology by keeping graphics the same (or better) as they are now and focusing more on game play by increasing level sizes and adding more content to make the game feel dynamic instead of for instance, every time you go through a level, its the same dudes in the same places waiting to be shot at. I mean, it would be great if there was a fps that one would want to play over and over just because the plot and storyline were quasi-dynamic. That would be cool. Ait, i'm done.
Yeah in the next Angelina Jolie movie some government agency will accidently lose the entire genetic code of every living thing on earth on one of these disks and there will be massive quantities of Chick-Fu to retreive it.
Offtopic I know, but I've got "excellent" karma to burn...
why say Y2K+2 requiring 5 key presses, and 3 shift key presses, when it only required 4 keypresses total to type 2002?
I've seen this year written as 2K2 which is kinda cool, but adding in more stuff just takes more time to type. So why do it? So you look like a 1337 h4x0r?
Whoever stated that signature sizes should be limited to one hundred and twenty characters can just go ahead and kiss my
please refer to subject
At first glance I thought it was named T-URD... gotta start using a better font.
Do you get by without that now? Then why do you "need" it?
Take for granted you may need it in the future (though screens aren't something that typicall grow in size), but this person is clearly using the present tense.
If there was a "-1 Not Funny", that'd be my most used mod.
In email from Bill Gates he denies the quote, but instead of offering up context for its origin or any explanation of why the quote originated, he waxes on about memory limitations. He even claims credit ("I and many others have said") for "Moore's Law", though he uses a mildly modified form of the assertion (1 extra bit every 2 years).
As rebuttals go, it's pretty weak. I'd love to hear from the original citer on when/where it was quoted from.
>I'd love to hear from the original citer on
>when/where it was quoted from.
So would Bill, among others.
Go do a google search for "bill gates 640k". You'll find a couple of articles with Bill denying having said it, and a thousand sites with the quote itself, some with "1981" added on, but nobody ANYWHERE can say where he was or who he said it to.
As mentioned in a previous post, can we add this to the list of "handy quotes that were never said", right up there with Al Gore "inventing the internet"?
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Remember the "Trans-Cap" The so called storage technology recovered from the Roswell aliens that stored 90gb!! It's already out of date... Damn those aliens have some catching up to do.
http://accpc.com/tcaps
I was amused by the Johnny Mnemonic movie, in which Keanu Reeve's head would explode if he didn't get the 320GB of data out of it (Johhy's capacity was only 160GB, or 'leakage' would occur). Given how far into the future it was supposed to take place, that amount seemed pretty small. Johnny's 'futuristic' capacity looks ever more ludicrous with each new jump in real-world capacity.
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A decade ago, no one forsaw a need for Ghz processors, GB of RAM, Gigabit
ethernet, etc.
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So for example in october 1988, when Arjen Lenstra and Manasse factored
the first 'hard' 100-digit number using the Multiple Polynimial Quadratic
Sieve, by spreadding the work over ~400 computers around the world, they
weren't thinking "I wish computers were ~400 times more powerful"?
I perform hard computations for a hobby - my electricity bill for my home
network is $400/year. No future processor is too powerful for me to be able
to make use of it.
FP.
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Its remarkable to me how unimaginative this community is at times. Terabytes are nothing to use even with today's technology.
This is barely enough to start cracking the doors to the real future of computers. With this, you may be able to store a few seconds of fully immersive video. I'm talking the kind of stuff that gives you limit of human sight resolution for anything beyond arm's length no matter what direction you look in. Add this storage to flight simulator technology that notes your head position and dynamically reproduces the right resolutions across your field of vision using 210 degree goggles, and you've got an experience in the making.
Another technology that would soak it up in seconds would be life recording. I've got a fairly poor memory and generally forget completely almost anything beyond three years ago. I'd LOVE to be able to wear a device that records my every moment in 360 degrees with fully directional audio. But, really, the recording technologies, including storage, won't be the most difficult part of the development. The really tough part will be the technology to search the database. It will need to be able to interpret everything seen and heard in order to be able to replay what I'd like without my having to remember times and places. Furthermore, it would need to do so in near real time as the only time that it might have to "catch up" would be when I slept...actually, I'd probably won't much of that time recorded too. Expand that to recording not only my personal experience but anything occurring anywhere on any property that I own in full 3D realistic resolution and bringing things to my attention that I've told it too and the task is at least 30 years of technology away (2^^30 * current storage capacities + 2^^24 * current processing capacities). Add recording of other aspects of the environment like smell, temperature, RF, etc and you could soak up technology forever. People will want these things.
The day will come, probably within this century, when petabytes and petaips are to us what bits are today.
It you are going to try and look clever, you'll probably want to avoid using
'whom' in utterly the wrong way.
HTH
FP.
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Anyone remember people working on a DVD Blue technology which increased data capacity using a blue laser instead of a red laser?
Walk with Music;
I think the need for terabyte-level storage is a lot larger than people think.
This is especially true for the entertainment industry. People forget that a digital copy of Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones used for DLP theatrical digital projectors need something like 300 gigabytes of storage capacity. What will be needed in the future when digital projectors go to higher resolutions and 96 fields per second display to improve picture quality? In that case, easy-to-transport terabyte-level storage becomes very necessary.
The drive will be sell for 300$ and each disk for 600$ :-)
Ceci n'est pas une Signature !
7,500 terabytes...7.5 petabytes?
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. - Aldous Huxley
Now how about a nice array of 20 in a 19" rackmouth with raid 1, then we'd be styl'n!
Optowear creates "Terabyte optical disk system" capable of storing up to 1TB of data"
Optowear, at the optical industry technology conference "InterOpto '02", introduced the "Terabyte optical disk system", a technology capable of storing one terabyte on a 12cm CD-sized disk.
This is a system developed by applying the research done up to now on 'hologram systems'. In previous holographic systems, miniaturization, cost, and incompatibility with DVDs and existing media were problematic. In this newly released technology, the company's proprietary "Polarized colinear hologram technology" allowed them to overcome these weaknesses.
Until now hologram technology has had to use 2 lenses to illuminate the object with the separate 'reference beam' and 'signal beam'. With polarized colinear hologram technology, only one lens is needed, allowing space and cost savings. DVD and CD compatability can be maintained as well.
They use a disk where the holographic media is sandwitched between glass plates, and where one side has a preformatted reflective layer stuck onto it. In the future, they plan to use plastic rather than glass. Also, at first they will only offer 'write once' disks, but later plan to offer rewritable ones as well.
When data is recorded, the reference beam and signal beam are shined on the reflective layer, and the reflected reference and information beams interfere in the holographic material, storing data in the interference pattern.
At reading time, only the reference beam is shone, allowing the recorded hologram to be read.
Existing DVD and CD drives use a single laser beam to read and write data, but holographic technology uses many tiny bundles of light. Also, previous systems stored data by the bit on the surface of the disks, whereas holographic recording can store whole pages of data at once in the holographic medium.
Because of this, holographic disk media, in a 500um diameter holograph, can store 30,000 bits of data. And because these holograms can be stacked on top of each other, this method is suitable for storing huge volumes of data. Also, current DVD/CD drives only transfer 1 bit at a time, whereas holographic drives transfer 30,000 bits at a time, so transfer rates are much higher, allowing rates of 100Mbps-1Gbps.
In the InterOpt conference display, an evaluation model of this system, the T-VRD, was demoed. The company believes that television studios or government bodies would be the first to bring in this technology, and will offer a 19in rack mounted version in 2003, and a miniturized consumer version for home servers and PCs in 2005.
At the conference center, CEO and Aoki Yoshio introduced himself -- "In the current communications industry, 1TB/s data rates are becoming possible. This is like sending a 2hr movie in 0.1 seconds. But, if we become able to send and recieve huge volumes of data in an instant, we need something with huge volume and speed to store that data." -- so underlining the need for the terabyte optical disk system.
"By raising the NA value of the objective lens, and shortening the laser wavelength, existing CD and DVD drives have been increasing their storage density. But this method is already seeing its limitations", he also said, emphasizing the fact that holographic drives are a totally different technology than other optical drives up to now.
Will be at least 2TB. (1TB min install) :)
Actually, these non-metric people would say 12 cm is about 4 11/16 inches. ;-)
"I have never let my schooling interfere with my education." - Mark Twain
Your 100GHz machine though would almost certainly be able to throw a primitive polygon-based version in realtime. have you ever played any FPS? hmm, they're realtime and a *little* bit more advanced than primitive polygons.
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Because she heard they had a guy hung like _this_ *stretches arms*.
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We could use this argument to say that cave man got by without any technology at all other than the use of fire and chiseled bone and rock.
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It wasn't more than 10 years ago that I had my DOS 5 install on an 80MB HD. Back then, the thought of a HD actually being multiple GB was just insane. Now I sit here with my 110GB of HD, and terabyte storage doesn't seem so insane, in light of the past.
1TB disk... should just barely be enough for the installation disk of Microsoft Windows XXXXP 2005!
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One word for you: Holodeck!
I'm done with sigs. Sigs are lame.
You relize that when this thing eventually finds its way onto the market, someone somewhere will likely compile a "Complete Game Collection," a massive archive of every videogame to date. Ever. And it'll only take up 2 or 3 discs. Heck, the biggest part will be the PSX games, and that might not be that big, after all.
Now, once emulation reaches perfection on all the known systems... that's when the real fun begins.
Happiness is relative, Based upon the way we live.
There are many apps that are still memory and compute bound. Voice recognition could easly use 4x more memory and more compute power, other apps (decode hd tv, monitoring video, home security) can all take big bits. Heck even the fridg that reads bar codes needs a place to store the UPC and usage data, and you probably want a file server, rather than the hard disk in the fridg.
"While we're at it, let's find the part where Al Gore claims to have invented the internet."
"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet," in an interview with CNN.
"Invented the Internet"? No.
Self aggrandizement? Yes.
Relevance? not a lot.
"As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." A. Carlson
Since he had to pass through customs (or something like that), he could not keep the data on regular media. Bear in mind that the actual data that he downloads is originally on a tiny CD-like thing. He had to use "natural" media (the brain) so that they wouldn't suspect him of being the courier. ;)
Thus it is really the brain that is supposed to have 160 GB of free space, that can be utilized before it starts to write over personal stuff. You can hardly expect the brains storage capacity to follow the same exponential laws as hardware, now can you?
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Of course IBM has something up the sleeve. Good bye, rotating media!
MP3 collection? With that much space, who needs lossy compression at all? :)
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Cogito cogito, ergo cogito sum.
Abe "Grandpa" Simpson: "The metric system is the tool of the devil! My car gets forty rods to the hogshead and that's the way I likes saying it!"
in my case you could simply make a symlink to the common points and store only the changes. So that drive to and from work could be the same file for every day...hell..just about everyhting else too. Maybe I could fit my life on a CD.
A terabyte on a single disk is sweet, but I've got a couple of thoughts...
1. Demoed and "We've got readers and writers going on sale next year" are two extremes. Just because you can demo a technology doesn't mean it's mass productable or stable enough.
2. how delicate is the media going to be. I noticed on their website they show the disk in a cd caddy. the last thing I want is a scratch taking 100gigs worth of data with it.
3. 100Mbit/s sucks. I probably did the math wrong but that's like 12.5 Megabytes per second. Just to read a gigabyte is going to take 80 seconds. To read a 50gigabyte file is going to take 67 hours.
Just a few things that I see offhand. Other than that, I think the technology is sweet. I will be much happier when they come out with a solid state terabyte device the size of a postage stamp, but beggers can't be choosers.
Yes Francis, the world has gone crazy.
Backups.
Tape is just not cutting it. Seems like it's cheaper buying a newer drive as a backup than the whole tape subsystem.
You quitting proves that the karma kap worked. The most annoying of the whores shut up. --CmdrTaco
In IT terms, the human genome is a text of seven billion characters, and together with its associated annotations, Celera already maintains a 70-terabyte database, after only a year and a half of operation. That database is growing rapidly - by 15 to 20 gigabytes a day, or eight terabytes a year - as is the number of people accessing it.
I don't know when this article is from, but they are already over 100TB.
sic transit gloria mundi
Great, I need to make a backup of the internet.
Oh!
Most Excellent subtle reference to William Gibson's "Idoru"!
Extra points awarded for the Australians doing the installing...
-- Terry
"Perfect speed, my son, is being there." - Chiang Seagull.
"I'm not impatient. I just hate waiting." - My Dad
no.. really, what the hell is ^H^H^H^H ????
"Consider how lucky you are that life has been good to you so far. Alternatively, if life hasn't been good to you so far
Um right.
Moderation is an expression of how one person interprets a post. By commenting on the moderation, you are seeking clarification. There is no difference between saying "Why was I modded down?" and "What did you mean by that?"
The explanation you gave me is a cop-out for people with moderation points to burn. You're playing games with semantics. Duh.
"Derp de derp."
Somebody else at the same trade show had a video-cassette-based jukebox that could be expanded to about 6 TB if you used enough bays and enough tapes. Times change :-)
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Funniest. Comment. Ever.
If only it was 2k by 3k then I'd be all for digital. It was only 1k by 2k and that's why it sucks compared to film. When digital reaches about 3k by 6k it will have equaled films potential. In reality the optical soundtrack reduces the potential space for visuals, damn it. Why stop at 24fps anyway? I'm looking forward to 3k by 6k at 70fps. That will be enough so I can't see jerkyness at all. *cues quake players to bitch 70fps is too slow*
Isn't that just a botched vasectomy?
From data storage to Snow Crash in just a couple comments. Think this will facilitate the Uncle Enzo's pizza Delivery service too?
Advanced in optronics alone will give us computers operating in the Thz range, and when we start seeing the fruits of nanotech, and nanotube circuitry, we will easily be getting into $1000 machines millions of times faster than what is available today.
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I wonder how far off the 1.44 TB rewritable version is.
That would be the 'floppy disk' of the future.
my $0.02
"Evil will always triumph because good is dumb." -- Dark Helmet
No one needs a terabyte disk. No one needs a 50" monitor. No one needs 10GB RAM. No one needs a 10GHz CPU.
:D~
Not yet anyway...
12 inches would be 12''..
Do you mean that, or are you asking whether they said "12 cm" or "12 superinches?"
Y2K Compliant since the late 1890s
Such technology asks for whole new filesystems.
Instant-snapshot logging filesystem
Nothing ever gets deleted and any file ever written can always be retrieved.
Put a new medium in the drive once a month and you've got full backups too.
Who needs a versioning system then?
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I can't wait for the Yattabyte to come into common usage..
Just think of all the stuff I could put on one of those discs!
Y2K Compliant since the late 1890s
And I'm looking forward to that kind of quality being beamed into each of my eyes, for a full FOV, stereoscopic experience... vs. the boring 2D screen.
I'd easily pay over 10 grand to be an early adopter of this tech. Too bad Microvision's current stuff pretty much sucks - so it'll be a while yet.
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Power to the Peaceful
Well, crap, I replied to the wrong person. How'd that happen? :)
Power to the Peaceful
Exabyte (1 million Terabytes): This amount of storage will be useful if you want to record in hig-quality digital video all of yor life from your wearable computer that you take everywhere. You will be abel to access every moment of your life, every conversation and play it back at anytime.
Yeah - and I thought my girlfriend bringing up crap from three years ago was bad enough.
Yeah, Monkey's Audio is slightly less Free than FLAC, but not by much, and it does a better squeeze job.
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Can't you get arrested for being a petabyte?
ive read tons of the supposed bill gates "640k" quotes in this thread over and over.
people. he never said that.
go look it up, its an urban legend.
correction: 1024GB = 1TB (remember.....as far as storage capacities are concerned, it's a power of 2...usually a multiple of 1024bytes [1K])
man....1TB...it's about time...I can finally backup my harddrives (I have about a TB of storage.....backing it up on CDRs is not every economical or logical....let alone using floppies....)
Sorry, that's centimeters, not inches, which is of course even better.
Depends what you're measuring.
RMN
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"This is exactly where I see 100GHz machines coming in handy - the ability to render realistic virtual worlds on the fly."
That, and keeping small towns warm in the winter.
"I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." - Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943
Don't take life too seriously. It is only a temporary situation. Usual disclaimers apply.
12 inches == 30.48 cm.
1 inch == 2.54 cm !~= 3.0 cm...
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That yet another portion of life is just like high school - dominated by narrowminded twits in the pursuit of some higher goal. Yay!
An Exabyte might be more useful for recording all video from the 23 cameras in your small store. You will want to keep high resolution copies of all of the video for each camera for years. This way a cheap e-machine (300Ghz AMD Superion) can analyze changes in customer blood pressure, eye contact and body language as they look through your merchandise. This data can be used for future direct marketing product customization and of course for resale to other institutions.
it may have been shown at the theater in this resolution, but I'm sure it was not scanned/rendered/composited at 1k. Prolly 2 or 3 minimum, sometimes space scenes are done at 4k+ because the stars get lost otherwise.
I seem to remember a 3k frame with 48 bit color uncompressed coming out to about 47MB a piece in an uncompressed cineon file. To lazy to check calculations....
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...then I expect that alot of people are going to start using rackmounts. I know I would, as long as it was afforable.
Also, when we get wall-sized TV-screens we'll want video feed at 40K x 30K rez at 100 full refreshes/sec. Then you can think again how much that kind of material can 1 exabyte store.
Preserve old classics: copy your collection onto all hard drives.
Did you choose the Red Pill or the Blue Pill?
Okay. A terabyte disk, right on schedule.
Maybe it's fast enough to serve a few channels of TV simultaneously, but it takes what, an hour and a half just to make a copy? Doesn't sound like something you are going to be able to stamp out for 10 cents each.
"and we expect that internet will have further development and readiness of use for people, and everyone will be able to use necessary information at any time any place without consciousness."
......... 'sleep learning' through your net connection!?
Wow! The end development they expect is the delivery of information 'without consciousness'; which must mean while in an unconscious state!
That must mean
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(David Bowman, EVA near HUGE Monolithic Win-PC in orbit around Jupiter) "My God - its full of Malware!"
Ummm . . . I guess you're missing the point between "want" and "need". Cave man, I'm sure, wanted a slightly better lifestlye, so he made changes to achieve that goal. He did not necessarily need one (though it would increase his longevity). But being able to store all your DVDs on a single disk is a desire and not a necessity.
So, please spare me your ill-conceived logic. Your analogy really has no bearing to this, and falls flat when challenged.
If there was a "-1 Not Funny", that'd be my most used mod.
"No one needs a terabyte disk..."
Yeah, you say that now, wait until Windows FP (Fat Porker) edition is released, THEN you'll wish you had that terabyte disk for your swap file!
As mentioned in a previous post, can we add this to the list of "handy quotes that were never said", right up there with Al Gore "inventing the internet"?
Al Gore never said he invented the Internet. He DID however, claim responsibility for it, which is partially true. He was one of the senators who lobbied for the funding that DARPA needed for many projects which included the creation of a research network (ARPANet) which would eventually evolve into the Internet.
What upset me about the statement was the fact that he was tacitly taking credit for the foresight to fund the creation of the Internet, when he almost certainly had no clue what rammifications ARPANet would have.
How long will my life's work be accessible? Will I lose the ability to read my disc/chip before I turn 30? I know this is a bit redundant with other frequent /. topics, but I feel a little helpless. What will my grandchildren do with my outdated chip, just throw it away because it costs to much to get it read?
..PA's realize that they are just a succeptible to data loss internally, perhaps they will lossen their grip for the sake of preservation.
What we need is a group to take charge of compatibility issues. This group would devise transitional technologies for all types of hardware/software/communications. With such a body, the history of change can be documented as well as the history of us, making any public form of storage accessible.
This sounds eerily similar to the way libraries archive books. Perhaps the perfect place for updating of information is at the library. Imagine stopping by the library to get your pile of cd's thrown onto a DVD through their updating kiosk. I know there are some hurdles to overcome on the copyright front, but if the
We're brought into this world alone, and leave alone. Somewhere in between, we get the idea that we're not alone. We are wrong.
I've already read all of William Gibson's writing that has ever been published. 8-).
-- Terry
I check in to their website every couple of months. They never seem to make any progress...
-- Nerds on toast in the new millenium
Heh. My coworker had me type 'make love'. The response was like "unable to make love". heh. That was a while ago, I don't think it works today, but it was funny. :)
"Derp de derp."
As always, all IMO. Insert "I think" everywhere grammatically possible.
I'm reminded of my boyhood back in the cybernetic Jurassic. We thought it was a big thing when the university mainframe went from 512K to 1 meg RAM. An expensive proposition, since this model, like most computers of the time, didn't use IC RAM. It used clay-ferrite "cores" (hence "core memory"), with all the logic wiring hand-weaved. The punchline: it took the MIS people precisely a week to write a COBOL program that wouldn't fit in that humungous address space!
The moral being: people use the resources available. That's what they "need".