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One Terabyte On a 12-inch^H^H^H^Hcm Disk
News for nerds writes: "At InterOpto'02 - international optoelectronics exhibition hold in Chiba, Japan - OPTWARE Co.Ltd. made up of ex-Sony engineers, demoed(in Japanese) 1-terabyte super-high speed optical disk system "T-VRD." It uses hologram and stores 1 terabyte data in a 12-cm-CD-size disc, with 100Mbps - 1Gbps transfer rate. Available in 2003 as 19-inch rackmount, 2005 for PC." Update: 07/16 18:33 GMT by T : Sorry, that's centimeters, not inches, which is of course even better ;)
*slobber all over myself*
Honestly, who gives a shit? Whoopdyfuckingshit, they have bigger hard drives.
There's a big difference there....
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Which is it, 12 inches or 12 cm?
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Another opportunity for the RIAA to change formats and resell everything!
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There is a difference between inches and cm
12" != 12 cm
12 cm is much more impressive..
Big difference there, guys. C'mon can we pay a little attention? Yeesh.
Sounds interesting though, if only I knew japanese.
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12 cm is much more impressive than 12 inch.
Though I don't doubt that it will be very expensive upon release, that would be really nice for storing all of my mp3's and anime on one disc. I'm sure it would also be great for anyone doing video editing or any other space intensive task. I can't wait until it hits the consumer market and the prices begin to bottom out.
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12"" or 12cm?
You guys need to hire some professionals.
Look Out, the RIAA and MPAA are gonna have a field-day once they catch wind of this technology...in 2015.
I cant read Japanese, just curious.
Eh, what's the point of having that much storage space? Computer technology has pretty much advanced about as far as is necessary.
No one needs a terabyte disk. No one needs a 50" monitor. No one needs 10GB RAM. No one needs a 10GHz CPU.
In 25 years, we will all be using the same PCs we are today. They'll be smaller, and software will be better, but we really won't need any more power than we have now.
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then I go around saying:
" My 12 inches packs a Terabyte! Want an upload?"
"The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away" -Tom Waits
Solid state storage I want for speed, sure optical disc's are great for capacity at the expense of speed.
Ok, I have a compromise, solid state optical storage.
Shouldnt be too hard, I mean, Star Trek and co have been doing it for years.
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Babelfish's rather loose translation:
From the past it is researched, applying the " hologram system ", the system which was developed. With hologram system of conventional type there was a problem in compatibility and the like of the existing media such as miniaturization and cost and DVD. With the technology which this time is announced, you say these weak points were overcome by using the same company individual " polarized light Cori near hologram technology " and so on.
Hologram technology until recently, using two object glasses, had the necessity to irradiate separate " reference beam " and " signal light ". You say with polarized light Cori near hologram technology these from one object glass the economical space, cost decrease is actualized by the fact that it makes lighting possible. In addition, we have assumed it can maintain also the compatibility of the DVD and the CD media.
I'm not sure if the translation is making it accurate or not, but it looks like this is indeed using holographic storage and not just holographic printing.
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MMMm.... First off, I wonder what interface format they will use between the disk and the motherboard? SCSI? IDE? Something completely different? Anyway, whatever they use, I'd love to see a level-0 stripe right across 4 or so of these babies ;) Speed and storage!
12 cm = 4.72 inches
That is impressive.
I will ask santa for one next christmas.
It's all good.
'nuff said...
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Now I can finally back up my system! Been waiting years to do that ;P
:)
And of course, the obligatory RIAA/MPAA annoyance note...
"WOW, I could store like 100,000 MP3s, or around 200 DVD-style movies on ONE disc! Hope I can hook it up to my TV so I can RECORD LOTS of shows on it! Maybe even some new HIGH-DEFINITION signals!"
Technology marches on...
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i wonder how scratch-resistant this is;
i mean -- one little scratch will now render hundreds of megabytes unreadable...
makes no difference to me if in the end half the storage space is dedicated to data-redundancy.
i want those little data-cubes you keep seeing in Sci-Fi movies. those are neater than the disk format.
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The corporation optical wear the 1TB (the tera- byte) announced the optical disk technology " tera- byte optical disk system " whose it is possible to write capacity, to the disk of 12cm CD size in the comprehensive exhibition " InterOpto'02 " of optical industrial technology.
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Making a mistake is one thing.
But refusing to correct it is absolutely ridiculous!
Slashdot has been making lots of errors lately and they have not taken ANY effort to correct it.
It makes a big differennce 12 inch vs. 12cm. A lot of people may just skip over the article based on the title because of slashdot's irrational need to be stubborn.
Ridiculous.
Dude, did he just say turd?
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If you tools would click on the link, you'd see it's the size of a CD.
WTF? This was posted 3 minutes after the story. It is the first post that says something other than "inches != centimeters" or "first post." How in heaven's name can it be Redundant?
Mini CompactFlash HD, blue laser, and now the 12inch/cm drive. All of these are lovely.
Unfortunately, the market is so slow and it takes literally years for those developments to reach us, the poor end users... it'd have been nice if on Y2K+2 we would have used something different than the floppy to copy information between computers.
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the man who wished for a 12 inch pianist? =)
In all seriousness, it was just a matter of time before this happened. Seems like if you want to do anything these days you have to totally rethink it and build it from the ground up. Holograms huh? Whoduthunkit?
bla bla bla InterOpto'02 bla bla bla 12cm CDbla bla bla
RTFA!
I want 2D games back.
For all we know, the page could be saying, "look at all those Slashdot fools who thing that this page actually contains information, HA HA HA!!!"
It would be very impressive if this is for real... Question is how much will it cost, will it be recordable, etc?
i.e. does it have any showstoppers that will prevent it from making Philips' blue laser disc technology stillborn?
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If you had a terabyte of MP3s, you would have approximately 250,000 songs, if you assume an average song is 4MB. If there are approximately 12 songs on a CD, you would have to own 20,833 CDs.
If you had 1MB of video per minute, you could hold one million minutes of video. That comes out to 16666 hours of video. It would take you 694 days to watch every minute of that, or a little under 2 years!
Now, who has that much content? Hmm? Correct my math, if I messed up. I'm not feeling too good today...
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This makes IBM look bad (well, even worse)...haven't they been working on holographic storage for years and years and years?!
In 25 years, we will all be using the same PCs we are today. They'll be smaller, and software will be better, but we really won't need any more power than we have now.
Isn't that the same thing IBM said, oh, 25 years ago?
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... of how much porn you could fit on one of these. :)
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In related news. Sony announces it will immediatley begin selling these disks to consumers.
;-)
Optware Spokesman:
"We were thinking it would take 10 years the technology to be needed, but bad jokes about our hardware's "12 inch vs. 12 cm" capabilities, beowulf of them, and how much prOn one could store on it completly overwhelmed previous storage technologies"
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I know plenty of guys that get this mixed up, as well.
And of course, it's 120 mm = 12cm != 12 inches ~= 36 cm...
Because CD-media size is a must !Basically, they:
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IBM said we'll have it in 5 years...oh wait...
That's alot of space.
That can hold one heck of alot of spyware!
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probably not going to happen, but it would allow studios to put what is currently 2 DVD's onto 1. Or it would be nice to get a DVD of every Kubrick film on one CD. The only downside of this is when toddlers take out the disk and start using it as a toy. There goes 200.00 of movies in 5 seconds.
You don't have a wife or girlfriend, do you?
That's diameter they are talking about, you know.
If a guy went into a sex change operation with a thing like that the doctors would have to hack a notch into the base and then push it over.
Now I'll have enough room for all of my porn!! (If I get 2 discs)
on one disk!
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
Seems to me they are.... It used to be the FSB limited at 100mhz, but now we have 533mhz bus speeds, and our hard drives are laggin behind badly.
Anyone that has used a hard drive with a 8 meg buffer will say they can feel the difference. My guess is that these things will support Serial ATA before conventional hard drives do. (j/k)
I think that most people would side with the fact that as a whole consumers have picked what size disc they want. We want media with the same diameter as a CD/DVD from here on out whenever possible. Why? They're easy to keep track of... unlike the little Dataplay cartridges that we've all seen stories about. I personally wonder why would you want something that small when you could have something of a more manageable size that uses the same technology... Discs maintaining the same size also ensures future drives will play old media. My DVD deck will play CDs etc... Which a very good point was made that record labels don't mind a format change to provide extra income once in a while. Collectively they've just got to learn to get over it and produce more new product worth buying... you know... good music. On the other hand you could also look at it this way. This data storage format will initially not be needed by your average consumer. Producing a propreitary system would cut initial costs to bring the technology to market. Then money could be made of the product and directed to adapting the technology to a consumer audience. It might cost much more for them to cram all the work into a 5.25 drive... or it might not be possible. Speaking of which... that is the weirdest drive enclosure I think I've ever seen... looks like a PS2 on crack.
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Thats a lot better way to say it.
That Tim was thinking 12 inch dick.
If you actually take a close look though think of the possibilities of it!! If they could make it writable then network admins could use it for complete network backups instead of using multipul cd's!! And think of it as a gamer-how many multipul games could you store on that? As well for comp techs like me where I have a dozen cds for my collection of programs I need to work on systems I could put it all on one! This is a little extreme with the amount of storage but still it is a great great thing and look to the future for holografic hard drives and other stuff like *VIDEO*! I great thing!!! Just my .02 cents.
that's oputowea, not optware dammit
Well sorta ...
at 100mbit/sec, we can say about 12.5 mbyte/sec transfer rates. That is really slow now-a-days for a hard drive. 1gbit/sec (125mbyte/sec) is decent, but with UDMA100/UDMA133 standard right now, this technology seems to be behind times in speed when it finally gets released for PCs a year or two from now.
Remember, the hard drive is probably the bottleneck in almost every PC and server, particularly with huge databases. I would really like to see hard drives get faster and faster instead of bigger and bigger.
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The corporation optical wear the 1TB (the tera- byte) announced the optical disk technology " tera- byte optical disk system " whose it is possible to write capacity, to the disk of 12cm CD size in the comprehensive exhibition " InterOpto'02 " of optical industrial technology.
//www.optware.co.jp/ja/main.html
From the past it is researched, applying the " hologram system ", the system which was developed. With hologram system of conventional type there was a problem in compatibility and the like of the existing media such as miniaturization and cost and DVD. With the technology which this time is announced, you say these weak points were overcome by using the same company individual " polarized light Cori near hologram technology " and so on.
Hologram technology until recently, using two object glasses, had the necessity to irradiate separate " reference beam " and " signal light ". You say with polarized light Cori near hologram technology these from one object glass the economical space, cost decrease is actualized by the fact that it makes lighting possible. In addition, we have assumed it can maintain also the compatibility of the DVD and the CD media.
Difference of data record method such as CD drive Device of record to tera- byte disk
Those where the reflecting horizon where structure of the tera- byte disk media puts the cubic measure hologram record material with the disk baseplate of the glass make, the pre- format is done is pasted in the one side. It is not the glass in the future, you call the schedule where the disk baseplate of the plastic make is used. In addition, at the beginning the media of the is offered, but you say relying tub Lu it will be able to offer also the media in the future.
At the time of data record, signal light and reference beam are irradiated vis-a-vis this reflecting horizon, reference beam and the information light which are reflected to interfere inside the cubic measure hologram material, the data is recorded to the interference fringes which occur.
When grasping the device which grasps the hologram which irradiates only reference beam, is recorded to the cubic measure record material.
With the former DVD and CD drive, using single laser light, it does reading and writing, but with hologram technology, the bundle of the light whose large number is thin is used. In addition, the data was recorded until recently level at the bit unit, but with hologram record, it is possible to record to three-dimensional cubic measure hologram layer as a page data.
Because of that, with the disk media which uses hologram, it is possible to write the data of 3 ten thousand bit inside hologram of diameter 500 mu m. While the respective hologram to be piled up, because it is existence possible, we have assumed it is suitable for large increasing capacity. In addition, only the 1bit data transfer could do with the pickup of former DVD/CD drive, at one time, but because with hologram system the data of 3 ten thousand bit can be read and written at one time, also data rate improves substantially, you say data transfer with the 100Mbps - the 1gbps becomes possible.
Appraisal device " T-VRD " of the tera- byte optical disk system was displayed in the InterOpt meeting place, demonstration was done. At the same company, at the beginning we have assumed, introduction in TV station and the Government agency is anticipated, we have assumed on end of 2003 offer of 19 inch rack-mounted type system, furthermore it miniaturizes drive itself in 2005, it develops in for the foam/home server and the PC market as a consumer product.
The drive part of T-VRD When drive was opened. As for the media being stored by the cartridge, it is The corresponding disk was displayed from each company
Actually hologram it was recorded the media As for this way unused media. The record aspect has like the mirror high reflectance
Yoshio Chairman and CEO Aoki Chief Executive Officer
At the announcement meeting place, Yoshio the Aoki of Chairman and the CEO Chief Executive Officer greets, " presently in communication industry, per second also the 1TB thing data has become transmission possible. This the movie of 2 hours is something which is made transfeable in 0.1 seconds. Is, but when it reaches the point where it can exchange the large capacity data instantaneously, even on the storage side which retains that data large capacity and high speed the media which had transfer speed becomes necessary ", necessity of the tera- byte optical disk system was expressed.
" With the former CD and DVD drive, NA value of the object glass was increased, precision of recording density was increased by the fact that wave length of the laser is reduced. Is, but with this method already the limit has been visible ", also you talked, the disk system which uses hologram emphasized that it is the system which system differs until recently completely.
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this is a media storage device not a computer
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A terabyte is roughly what, 100 dvd's? Hell, I own more movies than that, and I'm not even 30 yet. I'd love to not have to swap them just to watch.
Of course, by your line of thinking, a Commodore 64 suits everyone's needs: it has color, you can do programming, word processing, can get online, and even save your games on disks! Why would anyone need anything more?
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Software pirates in Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and Asia immediately began selling copies of NBC's entire 2006 TV lineup, Warcraft IV-10, Photoshop 2008, and MS Office Xtra-Ultra-Uber-Nextgen on the new disks for a street price of $5, all on one disk.
RIAA and MPAA lawyers assaulted Sony with lawsuits today, claiming that the disk assited in storage and dissemination of intellectual property and violating copyright control schemes.
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CmdrTaco could archive a weeks worth of stuff from MANHOLE with a TB disc!
not that impressive really, considering you can buy 200GB IDE hard drives these days, you'd only need 5 IDE HDD's to match this devices capacity, and they aren't even coming out for another 2 and a half years, I'm sure IDE HDD's will be up to half a TB by then.
How much do you think the complete library of congress disk is going to run? :)
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I thought size didn't matter but how you used it?
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Sorry, that's centimeters, not inches, which is of course even better ;)
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I am sure that plenty of women might argue with you there
"Hey! Unless this is a nude love-in, get the hell off my property!!"
I've got a couple of TiVo's, one with 200 GB of IDE disk in it and I'm running out of space. It's a nicer quality archive format than VHS, but limited in quantity.
I can foresee cheap wireless video cameras being used around the house for security monitoring being recorded to disk. That kind of application will eat up disk space in a hurry.
"Provided by the management for your protection."
Digital content creation has a need for such a storage device, providing it becomes cost effective. Personally, I do quite a bit of animation work that requires rather large amounts of storage space.
Granted, this would only make sense if it became cost comparitive with traditional high speed hard drive arrays.
> Sorry, that's centimeters, not inches, which is of course even better ;)
Scarcely matters if it's in a 19 inch rackmount, does it? I mean the technology is neat but a 19inch rack is a 19inch rack - doesn't matter how small the contents are (unless they don't fit in a 19inch rack at all...)
Not everything that can be measured matters; Not everything that matters can be measured.
Eh, what's the point of having that much storage space? Computer technology has pretty much advanced about as far as is necessary.
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I still remember when you told us all we'd never need more than 640k of RAM. Still trying to live that one down, aren't you?
On a more serious note, until I can render my entire featurelength movie with full 3d animation effects in realtime I won't be satisfied.
Indeed, that is only equivelent to a 1x CD-RW or DVD-RW, so even real time won't be acceptable.
Which means, until I can render my entire featurlength movie in 1 second and ship it out to all my friends and relatives in another second, I won't be satisfied.
But wait! I want to do that featurelength movie in HDTV 1080p format. Actually, since most of my friends have 1200p capability, I'd like to be able to render in 1920x1200 30 fps, 48bit color in under a second.
Well, movie making was fun, but now I prefer fully immersive virtual reality, at resolutions sufficient that the human eye can't tell the images aren't real. While realtime was initially fast enough for this rendering (no matter how fast I turn my head!), I find I want to render my worlds much more quickly than that to support multiple presences, so I can meet friends in my virtual world. So, until I can render all 3-d objects down to the molecular level in my entire, vast virtual world, in under a second, I won't be satisfied.
But wait! I'd like to
1 Terabyte sounds like a lot now, but I suspect we will find it to be very limited a few short years after it comes out. Human creativity is an amazing thing, and tends to push the boundries of whatever technical limits are placed upon it. I see no sign of this changing anytime soon, or of human creativity having come close to reaching some ephemeral "limit."
We won't be using the same computers in 20 years that we are today. Well, maybe some of the less flexible of us will be, but our children certainly won't be, and those of us more willing to keep up with a changing world likely won't be either.
Unless, of course, Hollywood is given veto power over all new technologies, in which case our children will be using computers more akin to the old IBM PC/XT my parents used back in the 80's, rather than what we're using today, but that is a tangent for another day.
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and this is a troll how?
That example is irrelevant because the broadcasters will never let us record anything :).
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Flourescing(sp?) media uses 3D storage (holograms) to pack more data into a standard form-factor 120cm disc - albiet not as compact as 1cm, but they certainly could achieve that with.
These guys are still at it.. though when they wil release somethign to the market is anybody's guess. I was in brief contact with them over a particular application of their card technology.
Of course, they are attempting to develop for the commercial market, and include write-once and rewritable options. IMO, this is bigger 'news' though the trail seems to have gone stale on FD.
I want my terabytes on the desktop today, not a decade from now.
One TB on a single disc. Man, I hope the plastic coating is much more sturdy than on current CDs and DVDs, it's a lot of data to lose because you didn't set the disc properly and the drawer scratched the disc as it closed.
And titanium alloy jewel cases that aren't going to shatter and splinter when sent through the USPS or sat on by your kid/dog.
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"Available in 2003 as 19-inch rackmount, 2005 for PC."
So...in about 2006 I'll have one in my car? Schweet! 1TB of Music!
Call this guy:
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It was Lockheed Martin that was using Imperial units.
NASA however apparently failed to read Lockheed Martins' code.
Sorry, that's centimeters, not inches, which is of course even better ;)
Your girlfriend says different.
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That should take care of the problem.
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This equals to all the mp3 you can hear for the rest of your life! In one CD!!. Music companies must be terrified!
They didnt believe me when I said its not the size of the wave.. you get the rest..
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I do belive that our friend Timothy tried, in a subtle way, to show the 2.54^2*3.14 increase in data density.
He should have known that it would wizz over the head of some...
You are missing one order of magnitude. Which one is it?
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Yeah, sure Timothy, you've been telling that to girls for years!
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It seems that games these days have awesome graphics but lack really good game play like the games of yesteryears. This is probably because game companies are focused on bedazzling all of these gamers with the fancy gfx, fog, lighting, yadda yadda yadda. Games can benefit from this new optical technology by keeping graphics the same (or better) as they are now and focusing more on game play by increasing level sizes and adding more content to make the game feel dynamic instead of for instance, every time you go through a level, its the same dudes in the same places waiting to be shot at. I mean, it would be great if there was a fps that one would want to play over and over just because the plot and storyline were quasi-dynamic. That would be cool. Ait, i'm done.
Yeah in the next Angelina Jolie movie some government agency will accidently lose the entire genetic code of every living thing on earth on one of these disks and there will be massive quantities of Chick-Fu to retreive it.
I know y'all don't read Japanese, so stop slashdotting their site -- some people want to read it.
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At first glance I thought it was named T-URD... gotta start using a better font.
Remember the "Trans-Cap" The so called storage technology recovered from the Roswell aliens that stored 90gb!! It's already out of date... Damn those aliens have some catching up to do.
http://accpc.com/tcaps
I was amused by the Johnny Mnemonic movie, in which Keanu Reeve's head would explode if he didn't get the 320GB of data out of it (Johhy's capacity was only 160GB, or 'leakage' would occur). Given how far into the future it was supposed to take place, that amount seemed pretty small. Johnny's 'futuristic' capacity looks ever more ludicrous with each new jump in real-world capacity.
Here is a link for all of you to read up on the possibility of this whole situation. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_2 59000/259347.stm in this link it discribes how the poduct works and the possibility of future hard ware.
Its remarkable to me how unimaginative this community is at times. Terabytes are nothing to use even with today's technology.
This is barely enough to start cracking the doors to the real future of computers. With this, you may be able to store a few seconds of fully immersive video. I'm talking the kind of stuff that gives you limit of human sight resolution for anything beyond arm's length no matter what direction you look in. Add this storage to flight simulator technology that notes your head position and dynamically reproduces the right resolutions across your field of vision using 210 degree goggles, and you've got an experience in the making.
Another technology that would soak it up in seconds would be life recording. I've got a fairly poor memory and generally forget completely almost anything beyond three years ago. I'd LOVE to be able to wear a device that records my every moment in 360 degrees with fully directional audio. But, really, the recording technologies, including storage, won't be the most difficult part of the development. The really tough part will be the technology to search the database. It will need to be able to interpret everything seen and heard in order to be able to replay what I'd like without my having to remember times and places. Furthermore, it would need to do so in near real time as the only time that it might have to "catch up" would be when I slept...actually, I'd probably won't much of that time recorded too. Expand that to recording not only my personal experience but anything occurring anywhere on any property that I own in full 3D realistic resolution and bringing things to my attention that I've told it too and the task is at least 30 years of technology away (2^^30 * current storage capacities + 2^^24 * current processing capacities). Add recording of other aspects of the environment like smell, temperature, RF, etc and you could soak up technology forever. People will want these things.
The day will come, probably within this century, when petabytes and petaips are to us what bits are today.
Anyone remember people working on a DVD Blue technology which increased data capacity using a blue laser instead of a red laser?
Walk with Music;
Hopefully this will be accepted as a viable solution to DVHS... I know I don't want to go back to tape even if it is digital for movies... Just have to get the product done, pricing reasonable and all of the turds at MPAA and RIAA onboard with this one...
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Movies? Forget movies. That's a HELL of a lot of pr0n...maybe a college student will be able to keep his full collection on only 2 or 3 of these... :-)
by the time these media will be available, Microsoft will probably have found a way to add even more bloatware to Windows to fill the whole Tb...
I think the need for terabyte-level storage is a lot larger than people think.
This is especially true for the entertainment industry. People forget that a digital copy of Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones used for DLP theatrical digital projectors need something like 300 gigabytes of storage capacity. What will be needed in the future when digital projectors go to higher resolutions and 96 fields per second display to improve picture quality? In that case, easy-to-transport terabyte-level storage becomes very necessary.
The drive will be sell for 300$ and each disk for 600$ :-)
Ceci n'est pas une Signature !
7,500 terabytes...7.5 petabytes?
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. - Aldous Huxley
Now how about a nice array of 20 in a 19" rackmouth with raid 1, then we'd be styl'n!
Optowear creates "Terabyte optical disk system" capable of storing up to 1TB of data"
Optowear, at the optical industry technology conference "InterOpto '02", introduced the "Terabyte optical disk system", a technology capable of storing one terabyte on a 12cm CD-sized disk.
This is a system developed by applying the research done up to now on 'hologram systems'. In previous holographic systems, miniaturization, cost, and incompatibility with DVDs and existing media were problematic. In this newly released technology, the company's proprietary "Polarized colinear hologram technology" allowed them to overcome these weaknesses.
Until now hologram technology has had to use 2 lenses to illuminate the object with the separate 'reference beam' and 'signal beam'. With polarized colinear hologram technology, only one lens is needed, allowing space and cost savings. DVD and CD compatability can be maintained as well.
They use a disk where the holographic media is sandwitched between glass plates, and where one side has a preformatted reflective layer stuck onto it. In the future, they plan to use plastic rather than glass. Also, at first they will only offer 'write once' disks, but later plan to offer rewritable ones as well.
When data is recorded, the reference beam and signal beam are shined on the reflective layer, and the reflected reference and information beams interfere in the holographic material, storing data in the interference pattern.
At reading time, only the reference beam is shone, allowing the recorded hologram to be read.
Existing DVD and CD drives use a single laser beam to read and write data, but holographic technology uses many tiny bundles of light. Also, previous systems stored data by the bit on the surface of the disks, whereas holographic recording can store whole pages of data at once in the holographic medium.
Because of this, holographic disk media, in a 500um diameter holograph, can store 30,000 bits of data. And because these holograms can be stacked on top of each other, this method is suitable for storing huge volumes of data. Also, current DVD/CD drives only transfer 1 bit at a time, whereas holographic drives transfer 30,000 bits at a time, so transfer rates are much higher, allowing rates of 100Mbps-1Gbps.
In the InterOpt conference display, an evaluation model of this system, the T-VRD, was demoed. The company believes that television studios or government bodies would be the first to bring in this technology, and will offer a 19in rack mounted version in 2003, and a miniturized consumer version for home servers and PCs in 2005.
At the conference center, CEO and Aoki Yoshio introduced himself -- "In the current communications industry, 1TB/s data rates are becoming possible. This is like sending a 2hr movie in 0.1 seconds. But, if we become able to send and recieve huge volumes of data in an instant, we need something with huge volume and speed to store that data." -- so underlining the need for the terabyte optical disk system.
"By raising the NA value of the objective lens, and shortening the laser wavelength, existing CD and DVD drives have been increasing their storage density. But this method is already seeing its limitations", he also said, emphasizing the fact that holographic drives are a totally different technology than other optical drives up to now.
3D Volume Holographic Optical Storage nanoTechnology.
I have learned from the inside that SONY and
many other storage professionals, universites,
and corporations are regular visitors over
the years.
this company will develope disk drives for its
internal usage that will >>>> 10 terabytes on
a 3.5 in or 8.8 cm disk. will exceed
>>> terabits/sec bandwith, have a shelf life of
100 years, and will be 3D VOLUME STORAGE not
2D AREA Storage emulating Holographic Storage.
http://colossalstorage.net
... these will cost how much now? Second mortgage you say?
Will be at least 2TB. (1TB min install) :)
One word: PORN
"But the cars are all flashing me, bright lights are passing me, I feel life passing me by" - Stiff Little Fingers
Actually, these non-metric people would say 12 cm is about 4 11/16 inches. ;-)
"I have never let my schooling interfere with my education." - Mark Twain
Because she heard they had a guy hung like _this_ *stretches arms*.
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I find that amusing. Some moderator thought that this comment was 'OffTopic'. To that moderator, let me quote something from the Slashdot FAQ:
"If You Can't Be Deep, Be Funny: If you don't have something truly developing to the topic, some humor is welcome. Humor is lacking in our lives and will continue to be promoted. Remember though, what rips your sides out may be completely inane to somebody else."
It can be found under the question: "How can I improve my karma?"
I would highly recommend that whoever modded me down take a look at that FAQ first.
He doesn't what he is talking about.
Sustained transfer rates on individual hard drives is about 15 MB/s or 120 Mb/s. This is the sustained transfer rate. Generally you get less than this in real world applications. With a four drive RAID0 setup you may be able to pull about 50 MB/s.
15 MB/s may be slow from your perspective, but it is about the best you are going to get from a IDE 7200rpm drive. It doesn't count as 'really slow for a hard drive'.
Do a little research before you post.
It wasn't more than 10 years ago that I had my DOS 5 install on an 80MB HD. Back then, the thought of a HD actually being multiple GB was just insane. Now I sit here with my 110GB of HD, and terabyte storage doesn't seem so insane, in light of the past.
1TB disk... should just barely be enough for the installation disk of Microsoft Windows XXXXP 2005!
Fascism starts when the efficiency of the government becomes more important than the rights of the people.
You relize that when this thing eventually finds its way onto the market, someone somewhere will likely compile a "Complete Game Collection," a massive archive of every videogame to date. Ever. And it'll only take up 2 or 3 discs. Heck, the biggest part will be the PSX games, and that might not be that big, after all.
Now, once emulation reaches perfection on all the known systems... that's when the real fun begins.
Happiness is relative, Based upon the way we live.
"While we're at it, let's find the part where Al Gore claims to have invented the internet."
"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet," in an interview with CNN.
"Invented the Internet"? No.
Self aggrandizement? Yes.
Relevance? not a lot.
"As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." A. Carlson
Since he had to pass through customs (or something like that), he could not keep the data on regular media. Bear in mind that the actual data that he downloads is originally on a tiny CD-like thing. He had to use "natural" media (the brain) so that they wouldn't suspect him of being the courier. ;)
Thus it is really the brain that is supposed to have 160 GB of free space, that can be utilized before it starts to write over personal stuff. You can hardly expect the brains storage capacity to follow the same exponential laws as hardware, now can you?
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Of course IBM has something up the sleeve. Good bye, rotating media!
Abe "Grandpa" Simpson: "The metric system is the tool of the devil! My car gets forty rods to the hogshead and that's the way I likes saying it!"
There ought to be a verbal shorthand equivalent of the textual use of ^H (control-H) to indicate an edit - whether for purposes of sarcasm or to emphasize a change.
How about "Hiccup", with all but the last one abbreviated verbally as "hic".
So "inch^H^H^H^Hcm" would be pronounced "inch-hic-hic-hic-hiccup-centimeter".
And yes, I know some prefer to spell it more like a "cough" than a "cup" - pronounce it as you see fit.
A terabyte on a single disk is sweet, but I've got a couple of thoughts...
1. Demoed and "We've got readers and writers going on sale next year" are two extremes. Just because you can demo a technology doesn't mean it's mass productable or stable enough.
2. how delicate is the media going to be. I noticed on their website they show the disk in a cd caddy. the last thing I want is a scratch taking 100gigs worth of data with it.
3. 100Mbit/s sucks. I probably did the math wrong but that's like 12.5 Megabytes per second. Just to read a gigabyte is going to take 80 seconds. To read a 50gigabyte file is going to take 67 hours.
Just a few things that I see offhand. Other than that, I think the technology is sweet. I will be much happier when they come out with a solid state terabyte device the size of a postage stamp, but beggers can't be choosers.
Yes Francis, the world has gone crazy.
Backups.
Tape is just not cutting it. Seems like it's cheaper buying a newer drive as a backup than the whole tape subsystem.
You quitting proves that the karma kap worked. The most annoying of the whores shut up. --CmdrTaco
Don't worry about it dude, I was mod bombed. heh. 3 of my posts in this thread were modded down as 'OffTopic' all within a minute of each other. Somebody out there just doesn't like me today and burned their mod points to 'teach me a lesson'. Too bad they won't reveal who they are. The word 'coward' springs to mind.
Joke's on them, though: They used up all their mod points, and I'm still posting at +2 heh.
In IT terms, the human genome is a text of seven billion characters, and together with its associated annotations, Celera already maintains a 70-terabyte database, after only a year and a half of operation. That database is growing rapidly - by 15 to 20 gigabytes a day, or eight terabytes a year - as is the number of people accessing it.
I don't know when this article is from, but they are already over 100TB.
sic transit gloria mundi
Great, I need to make a backup of the internet.
Oh!
Most Excellent subtle reference to William Gibson's "Idoru"!
Extra points awarded for the Australians doing the installing...
-- Terry
No seriously, if it bothers you... ignore it. If my saying it bothers me or just make fun of it while it does not bother me... just ignore that. But please, PLEASE, don't sound like a broken record saying that it is different from 1337 speak and giving some stupid self defacing reason
"Perfect speed, my son, is being there." - Chiang Seagull.
"I'm not impatient. I just hate waiting." - My Dad
no.. really, what the hell is ^H^H^H^H ????
"Consider how lucky you are that life has been good to you so far. Alternatively, if life hasn't been good to you so far
some day, the ^H^H^H^H^H and other related strings will be seen as the equivelent of 1337 5p34k1nG d0odz talk of years not that far removed from this period. It might also contain an abundance of those who truly detested such nonsense after about the first week of seeing it, the same way they got sick of 1337 speak.
No seriously, if it bothers you... ignore it. If my saying it bothers me or just make fun of it while it does not bother me... just ignore that. But please, PLEASE, don't sound like a broken record saying that it is different from 1337 speak and giving some stupid self defacing reason
I can store all my last weeks Word documents on just one disc. Well, one of them was more than 100 pages, so probably take that one out :)
Somebody else at the same trade show had a video-cassette-based jukebox that could be expanded to about 6 TB if you used enough bays and enough tapes. Times change :-)
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I wonder how far off the 1.44 TB rewritable version is.
That would be the 'floppy disk' of the future.
my $0.02
"Evil will always triumph because good is dumb." -- Dark Helmet
Such technology asks for whole new filesystems.
Instant-snapshot logging filesystem
Nothing ever gets deleted and any file ever written can always be retrieved.
Put a new medium in the drive once a month and you've got full backups too.
Who needs a versioning system then?
--- Hindsight is 20/20, but walking backwards is not the answer.
He slides in 10^69 molecules per thrust- how much more bandwidth do you need?
ive read tons of the supposed bill gates "640k" quotes in this thread over and over.
people. he never said that.
go look it up, its an urban legend.
1 hr. of uncompressed HD video at the full-resolution ATSC spec. of 1080X1920 pixels (otherwise called 1080p) scanned at 60 fps with 10 bpp will require 1.5+ TB.
This is without _any_ audio encoding.
Sorry, that's centimeters, not inches, which is of course even better.
Depends what you're measuring.
RMN
~~~
I consider the day we can record and play raw, uncompressed 1024x768x32 video frames to be the nearest "holy grail" point we can shoot for.
If I've done the math right, at 60Hz, this works out to a bit over 188MB/s. (not MiB/s; I'm lazy). An hour of such frame-by-frame video would thus take 676GB, irrespective of audio.
So.. 1TB is a pretty excellent size, even if you need an independent disc for uncompressed audio. The speed's got to crank way up, though.
One technique I like for speeding the reads is the one Constellation 3D (www.c-3d.net) proposed for their FMD-ROMs - and yes, I've pimped their idea before, but I'm no relation, just think it's the most robust (if not most dense) concept yet mentioned, post magneto-optical.
In the FMDs, you've got multiple layers that glow when exposed to the proper frequency of light. Potentially, you can illuminate all these layers at once (especially if they respond to a single frequency and emit at multiple frequencies; think sidelighting). The C3D drives then use a now-cheap CCD or CMOS sensor to read a whole heaping pile of bits at once.
It's complex until you think about it; then it's rather elegant. Still, since the company's been operating on the verge of bankruptcy for 5 years now, advances from a keiretsu-backed firm like these guys may eclipse their efforts. Still, multiple pickups are the way to go, and with lasers getting so godawfully cheap, you could probably use a whole stripe of illuminators and pickups (not unlike an LED-printer's write head on a much smaller scale), vibrating it just slightly to shift track to track.
Problem is, of course, angular velocities and such, but I assume that's not an untackleable problem.
"I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." - Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943
Don't take life too seriously. It is only a temporary situation. Usual disclaimers apply.
12 inches == 30.48 cm.
1 inch == 2.54 cm !~= 3.0 cm...
Big Daddy, Johnny, Burp, Aunt Zelda, Scott, Slurp, Big Momma
That yet another portion of life is just like high school - dominated by narrowminded twits in the pursuit of some higher goal. Yay!
...then I expect that alot of people are going to start using rackmounts. I know I would, as long as it was afforable.
Also, when we get wall-sized TV-screens we'll want video feed at 40K x 30K rez at 100 full refreshes/sec. Then you can think again how much that kind of material can 1 exabyte store.
Preserve old classics: copy your collection onto all hard drives.
Okay. A terabyte disk, right on schedule.
Maybe it's fast enough to serve a few channels of TV simultaneously, but it takes what, an hour and a half just to make a copy? Doesn't sound like something you are going to be able to stamp out for 10 cents each.
"and we expect that internet will have further development and readiness of use for people, and everyone will be able to use necessary information at any time any place without consciousness."
......... 'sleep learning' through your net connection!?
Wow! The end development they expect is the delivery of information 'without consciousness'; which must mean while in an unconscious state!
That must mean
.
(David Bowman, EVA near HUGE Monolithic Win-PC in orbit around Jupiter) "My God - its full of Malware!"
I hate Linux because it made me type man mount.
...
i used to it was a little strange having to type that, that and:
man find, man man, man tail, man head
you get the idea.
How long will my life's work be accessible? Will I lose the ability to read my disc/chip before I turn 30? I know this is a bit redundant with other frequent /. topics, but I feel a little helpless. What will my grandchildren do with my outdated chip, just throw it away because it costs to much to get it read?
..PA's realize that they are just a succeptible to data loss internally, perhaps they will lossen their grip for the sake of preservation.
What we need is a group to take charge of compatibility issues. This group would devise transitional technologies for all types of hardware/software/communications. With such a body, the history of change can be documented as well as the history of us, making any public form of storage accessible.
This sounds eerily similar to the way libraries archive books. Perhaps the perfect place for updating of information is at the library. Imagine stopping by the library to get your pile of cd's thrown onto a DVD through their updating kiosk. I know there are some hurdles to overcome on the copyright front, but if the
We're brought into this world alone, and leave alone. Somewhere in between, we get the idea that we're not alone. We are wrong.
First they need to get it from solid state cube
and large gas lasers in the lab to a rotating
disk and solid state lasers.
he says flying head and polarized photons
need to have the head gap at around 940 nm.
that is like flying a 747 jumbo jet 1 foot
off a super highway without crashing !!!
go to 3D Volume Holographic icon at
http://colossalstorage.net
I've already read all of William Gibson's writing that has ever been published. 8-).
-- Terry
I check in to their website every couple of months. They never seem to make any progress...
-- Nerds on toast in the new millenium
As always, all IMO. Insert "I think" everywhere grammatically possible.
Actually, Constellation3D basically imploded. Their costs were spiraling up, and despite all their demos and such, they haven't brought anything to market.
I was watching the stock (CDDD) until it got delisted, and now it sits at a nickel to a dime or so (CDDD.PK). Really sad actually, they seemed to have the lead for a while there.
Also consider that WAMO (warner advanced media operations) signed up with them, as well as Ricoh, Plasmon, and a few others. They had the names and the weight to finish this thing, but they just moved too slow. Now with the current economic situation, it is extremely unlikely they will ever pick it back up.
Who knows though, we might see their reflection in someone elses' products, once their patents get bought.
I'm reminded of my boyhood back in the cybernetic Jurassic. We thought it was a big thing when the university mainframe went from 512K to 1 meg RAM. An expensive proposition, since this model, like most computers of the time, didn't use IC RAM. It used clay-ferrite "cores" (hence "core memory"), with all the logic wiring hand-weaved. The punchline: it took the MIS people precisely a week to write a COBOL program that wouldn't fit in that humungous address space!
The moral being: people use the resources available. That's what they "need".