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MPAA vs. Television

Today brings several articles on the MPAA's attempt to create a "broadcast flag" to kill home recording of broadcast television. Lunenburg writes "Apparently too impatient to implement the Broadcast Flag in digital media through legislative means, both Sen. Hollings and Rep. Tauzin have both sent letters to FCC Chairman Michael Powell urging him to mandate the implementation of the Broadcast Flag under FCC rules, according to the EFF's Consensus at Lawyerpoint blog." There's a CNet story about a presentation given by the MPAA to pro-business lobbying groups, and a MSNBC story about digital video recorders.

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  1. Weee - the FCC by wichtolosaurus · · Score: 5, Funny

    So the FCC won't let me be or let me be me, so let me see........

    1. Re:Weee - the FCC by Maran · · Score: 4, Funny

      "So the FCC won't let me be or let me be me, so let me see........"

      Ahem

      They try to stop me taping MTV, but they'll make no money, without me!

      Maran

    2. Re:Weee - the FCC by CaffeineAddict2001 · · Score: 2

      It's funny how as soon as the FCC 'goes after' a person, that person becomes insanely paranoid and narcissistic. If eminem died in a plane crash tommorow I don't think MTV would have any problem with profits.

    3. Re:Weee - the FCC by k2enemy · · Score: 3, Funny
      So the FCC won't let me be or let me be me, so let me see........

      this is an unacceptable violation of riaa intellectual property. please post proof of copyright ownership or refrain from stealing others' work.

    4. Re:Weee - the FCC by rattler14 · · Score: 2, Funny

      or how about.

      So the FCC won't let me be,
      let me trade shows on IRC,
      they tried to put the flags on my tv,
      but it looks like shit on NBC

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    5. Re:Weee - the FCC by ImaLamer · · Score: 2

      I would think the opposite would happen.

  2. Taking its lead from RIAA . . . by fajoli · · Score: 5, Funny

    the MPAA will start distributing movies with only two minutes of actual story line and filling the remaining 88 minutes with explosions, noise, bad dialogue, and product placements to prevent the unauthorized distribution of its intellectual property.

    1. Re:Taking its lead from RIAA . . . by Bizaff · · Score: 2, Funny

      Oh wait.. they already do that.

    2. Re:Taking its lead from RIAA . . . by Jeppe+Salvesen · · Score: 2

      start. yeah right. go see a van damme movie. or a james bond movie, for that sake.

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    3. Re:Taking its lead from RIAA . . . by robson · · Score: 2, Funny

      fajoli: the MPAA will start distributing movies with only two minutes of actual story line and filling the remaining 88 minutes with explosions, noise, bad dialogue, and product placements to prevent the unauthorized distribution of its intellectual property.

      Bizaff: Oh wait.. they already do that.

      fajoli: I think that was implied, Bizaff.

      Bizaff: Implied, fajoli, or implode?

  3. Way to go! by st0rmshad0w · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As if there wasn't a fairly good chance that HDTV adoption was doomed before.

    1. Re:Way to go! by rhadamanthus · · Score: 2
      Unfortunately, the large majority of people will buy it, since it is just a "new TV". Also, it is extremely probable that the MPAA et. al. will quickly push for HDTV's (with their broadcast flags and encrypted signals etc.) to become the only option available to "consumers" (I hate that word!) interested in new TVs. Luckily I don't watch TV anymore, but the prospect and ideology still makes me sick to my stomach. Go read a book.

      ----rhad

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    2. Re:Way to go! by TheSync · · Score: 2

      As if there wasn't a fairly good chance that HDTV adoption was doomed before.

      The funny thing is that Congress has not required all new television receivers to have DTV decoding capability. Of those "HDTV Televisions" being sold right now, most don't have a DTV decoder.

      In the 60's when the UHF TV bands came along, Congress required television makers to include UHF receivers in most all new TVs. But there has been no parallel for DTV.

      So if Congress can't even mandate DTV reception, how are they going to mandate the broadcast flag?

      (BTW, I'm not saying they should mandate DTV reception, but certainly things will be very interesting at analog turn-off in 2006 without it.)

    3. Re:Way to go! by EllisDees · · Score: 2

      The problem is that TVs aren't something that people replace very often. I have three televisions in my house right now. One of them is 5 years old, and the other two are a lot older than that. I think one of them is even older than me. Just imagine the uproar that's going to happen when Granny can no longer watch Matlock. She's going to say "Spend how much on a new TV?!?" and start bitching at her congresscritters.

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    4. Re:Way to go! by gorilla · · Score: 3, Informative
      very interesting at analog turn-off in 2006 without

      IF there is an analog turn off in 2006. By now, according to the original schedule, by now every commerical station should be dual broadcasting, and every TV sold should be DTV capable, to get 85% penetration by 2006. Current estimates say there will be 30% penetration by 2006, and I personally think those are optimistic. It took the UK from 1964 to 1985 to phase out 451 line television, and this was in an era when TV's were unreliable with short lifespans.

      In addition, the original reason for cancelling analog has gone. In the late 90's, spectrum was seen as a resource which you could sell almost without limit - Telecoms were on the up, and new uses were eating up more and more spectrum. Since then, telecoms haven't been doing so well, resulting in auctions in both the UK and US that have been disasters for the companies involved and the governments trying to sell the spectrum.

    5. Re:Way to go! by invenustus · · Score: 2
      That's when the couch potato riots of 2006 start.
      No, that's when the black market in modchipped VCR's starts booming. It'll be just like using CD-R's in the Playstation. Everyone who wanted it bad enough was able to get it done.

      Hell, if just one country keeps recording legal, I won't be surprised if mainstream American electronics companies start building functional VCR's to sell in that country, where they'll be exported to the USA and anywhere else that wants them.

      One bit sure as hell isn't going to stop the people who created DeCSS.
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  4. Ugh by kafka93 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's just Macrovision for broadcast, basically; the MPAA notes that "legislation would be required", and that's because without it manufacturers or third parties will quickly develop means of circumventing the protection. Of course, whatever happens, there *will* be the means of recording any broadcast stream -- these people need to recognise that, if it's human-recognisable, it's machine-recordable. All that's achieved by these kind of nonsensical restictions is a) increased costs for the manufacturers, which lead to b) increased costs for the consumer, and c) a less satisfactory user experience. But that media will continue to be recorded, nobody should have any doubt.

    And besides, will anyone really stand for this? The idea of recordable media -- vcrs, in particular -- is very deeply ingrained, and most people probably consider it their "right" to record their television. And rightly so!

    It's incredible to me that so many presumably intelligent people waste so much effort on these draconian measures. Corporate greed is to blame, of course - but, with a little thought, it seems to me that many of these people could do better by *not* alienating the populace, and by finding some other, better way of making their money such that everyone could be happy. The MPAA and their kind are scared of technology that they don't really understand, and they're losing their grip on the industry. Tough luck. Legislation shouldn't be put in place which will serve big business at the expense of the consumer. Rather, big business needs to learn to evolve to the consumer's wishes, or it needs to die.

    1. Re:Ugh by Peyna · · Score: 2

      The idea of recordable media -- vcrs, in particular -- is very deeply ingrained, and most people probably consider it their "right" to record their television.

      I could see many big vcr / tape companies as well as Tivo and everyone else standing up against this bill. They stand to lose a lot of money otherwise. The MPAA needs to be more careful about whose shoes they step on, or they might end up stepping on someone with real big feet and steeled toe boots.

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    2. Re:Ugh by aronc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I could see many big vcr / tape companies as well as Tivo and everyone else standing up against this bill. They stand to lose a lot of money otherwise.

      Which is exactly why they are [b]not[/b] trying to push a bill through. They are attempting to bypass that whole system by pressuring the FCC to make it regulatory. Clever. Evil, but clever.

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    3. Re:Ugh by Masem · · Score: 4, Informative
      And besides, will anyone really stand for this? The idea of recordable media -- vcrs, in particular -- is very deeply ingrained, and most people probably consider it their "right" to record their television. And rightly so!

      If you read through the articles carefully, no one, not MPAA/show producers nor Tech appear to be arguing against the one-time recording (time-shifting) of digital TV programming; it's the question of whether you can save that content to removable media, watch it on another TV in your house, send it to yourself at a remote location (even if authenicated/secured), or to share it on the Internet with a single friend/family member. Some of these seem like obvious fair use, some don't, and where the line has to be drawn is what is the major contention; MPAA appears to want the push the line to limiting recordings to a single, non-retainable format, possibly viewable only once, while other groups are arguing for less restrictive measures but still limiting full-fledged wide scale distribution as today's P2P networks allow.

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    4. Re:Ugh by elmegil · · Score: 5, Insightful
      So let me ask you what is the difference between the following scenarios:

      I wanted to see the Sunday night special episode of Good Eats in Paradise, but couldn't because I was out of the house because of a prior committment.

      • Scenario 1, I program my VCR, it records the show, I watch it later at my leisure.
      • Scenario 2, I forgot to program my VCR, I call my brother and ask him to record it for me on his VCR, so that I can watch it later at my leisure.
      • Scenario 3, my brother has a Tivo, records it and lets me download it through our mutual broadband connections.

      Why can't the industry understand the similarity and reasonableness of these cases? Beyond that, if my brother wants to share it with the rest of the internet, why is this a problem? It was a broadcast show! Anyone could have recorded it! *IF* the show is available for sale on DVD/Video *THEN* it would be a clear violation of the copyright holder's rights over distribution to still be sharing the show. Aside from that, the only thing that sharing does "to" the copyright holder is allow more people to see the work. How is that bad?

      Let's try one more example: I'm a huge fan of Invader Zim, but Friday nights are a terrible time for me to stop my world to watch a TV show. So I generally try to download copies from the net and burn them to VCD (because my wife wants to watch them too, and we don't want to sit in front of the computer to do it). Unfortunately, most of the copies are really bad, but I do it anyway as a fan of the show. When and if these episodes become available on DVD, it will be my pleasure to go buy high-quality copies and discard the relevant VCDs.

      This is just like music sharing; I use it to judge what I want to buy, not to steal things I would otherwise buy. The quality of product on the internet is not as good as the quality of the product from the originator, in any case I've seen so far. If it's really good enough for me to want to buy it, I'll still want to buy it despite having "pirate" copies around.

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    5. Re:Ugh by pmz · · Score: 2

      ...big business needs to learn to evolve to the consumer's wishes, or it needs to die.

      Yes, absolutely. When the legislative branch of the U.S. government begins thinking about how to artifically prop up a failing industry, that means something is so fundamentally wrong with that industry that legislation is almost always the worst solution to the problem. Whenever someone like the MPAA or RIAA begins begging for quick fixes from Congress, every single person in the House and Senate should have little alarms going off in their minds. Let's hope cynicism prevails and the media industry is sent home with a bruised ego.

    6. Re:Ugh by count_dooku · · Score: 2, Informative
      And besides, will anyone really stand for this? The idea of recordable media -- vcrs, in particular -- is very deeply ingrained, and most people probably consider it their "right" to record their television. And rightly so!

      Yes, but the broadcast industry does not see it that way, and they have enough lobbying money to overturn fair use. Turner Entertainment's Jamie Kellner claims that by not watching commercials, you're stealing TV. Notice the word stealing.

      So when the broadcast industry and the motion picture industry claim they want to prevent copying (or stealing) digital content, they won't stop with the peer-to-peer file traders. They'll target time-shifting. The broadcast flags they are proposing could easily say "don't record this program." Because, after all, if you own a PVR, you'll skip over the commercials.

      Time Warner cable is debuting a set-top box with a PVR. But, there is no commercial skipping available. That's right, you can time-shift the West Wing, but you cannot hit the fast-forward button. There isn't one.

      Funny how that goes.

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    7. Re:Ugh by Gaijin42 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I follow you as far as 1 and 2, 3 is more iffy, since your brother still has a copy of his own.

      Would it be okay for me to record stuff to a VCR, and then copy tapes and distribute them via a catalog?

    8. Re:Ugh by elmegil · · Score: 2

      How is him "having a copy of his own" any different, from the standpoint of their argument, than him watching the tape at a different time before he gives it to me?

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    9. Re:Ugh by jparker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The big fuss isn't about broadcast; it's about cable and premium channels.

      If you share some random Friends rerun, no big deal. (Though they'd still like to stop you.) However, if you start recording and sharing The Sopranos and Sex in the City, HBO would get pretty upset. Same goes for Pay-Per-View.

      If we lived in a world where the MPAA, etc. cared about the consumers, this would be the purpose of the broadcast flag; it would indicate a show that was premium content and could not be shared, but the rest of the shows (regular broadcast stuff) would freely distributable.
      Additionally, the MPAA sees no difference between scenarios 2 & 3 (just as we don't). Only problem is, they think both should be illegal.

    10. Re:Ugh by ottffssent · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're completely off-base here. This is the kind of thinking that has led to the frenzy of new laws in the past few years. If my brother records something and mails me a VHS cassette, we both get copies of a show. If he records it to vcd and mails me a CD, we both get copies of a show. If he records it and sends it over the internet, we both get copies of a show. If he watches it and telepathically broadcasts it to me, we both get copies of the show. USING THE INTERNET DOES NOT MAKE IT DIFFERENT!!!

      To respond to your other point: Yes, it should be okay for you to record stuff with a VCR and copy the tapes and distribute them via a catalog. The person who buys your VHS cassette could have recorded the show him/herself, so the effect on the original copyright holders is nil. Since they didn't, you are providing a service which you should be able to charge for.

    11. Re:Ugh by Kintanon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is a big part of the Anime fansubbing scene. I eagerly await the release of fansubs of things like Hikaru no Go, which haven't been licensed in the US yet, but as soon as a DVD box set is released (or hell, a single individual episode on DVD) I'll go buy it because I want to support the series and I really enjoy owning the higher quality DVD versions.

      Kintanon

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    12. Re:Ugh by ThePilgrim · · Score: 2

      Time Warner cable is debuting a set-top box with a PVR. But, there is no commercial skipping available. That's right, you can time-shift the West Wing, but you cannot hit the fast-forward button. There isn't one.
      Thats all right. I'll just go and do what I allways do juring the commertials, I'll go get a drink or sumthing
      Untill they can leagaly strap me into my poatery appretion ... oops TV appreation chair. I'm a free person.

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    13. Re:Ugh by thales · · Score: 2
      If your brother was making hundreds of copies of the tape or vcd and mailing those copies to anyone who happened to send him a postcard, that would be a closer model to what is happening on the internet today

      If your brother put the download on a password protected site, so that just you could pick up a copy, then that would be closer to your first two examples. The MPAA would probelly still whine about it, but they wouldn't be able to get the support for things like broadcast flags and a fritz chip if that was all that was involved in casual distribution over the internet.

      The open blatant disregard for copyright laws on the internet is why the MPAA stands a good chance of getting this bullshit enacted.

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    14. Re:Ugh by Kintanon · · Score: 2

      I'm aware of the illegality, but it doesn't bother me. I'm willing to pay for an american translation of the Anime, no one is offering to sell it to me, some people are investing their time and effort to do it for free, I don't see anything wrong with that. There isn't even a product that someone could be losing money off of involved. I'm certainly not going to buy a version that doesn't have an option for the language I understand...

      Kintanon

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    15. Re:Ugh by realdpk · · Score: 2

      TiVo's got some investors who would probably end up on the MPAA's side of the fence. Thus, TiVo will likely just conform.

    16. Re:Ugh by Gaijin42 · · Score: 2

      Your brother recording something and mailing it to you while he retains a copy is already illegal. To use your own logic : why does the internet make it different?

    17. Re:Ugh by elmegil · · Score: 2
      An AC writes:

      I just want to point out that you CAN buy the tapes to all shows on Cooking TV. They give you the address and information to buy the tape at the end of every show.

      This is false. You can buy MANY of the shows. You cannot buy EVERY episode of EVERY show, and particularly you cannot buy Iron Chef video or DVD (I've bought the Good Eats DVD's that are available already, thanks; they only have 9 episodes, and I know that Alton has done more shows than that).

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    18. Re:Ugh by Kintanon · · Score: 2

      There's also no garauntee that they will EVER license it in the US. So I either wait at the whim of the studios to see what gets licensed and hope it's what I want and that it doesn't take 5 years, or I get the fansubs now to tide me over until the DVD release. When I can buy, or even rent, english language subs here I'll happily do so, but until then I'm going to keep breaking their copyright.

      Kintanon

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    19. Re:Ugh by thales · · Score: 2
      Copyright is distrubition rights. Nothing in fair use covers mass distrubition. The TV station has paid a considerable sum for a limited right to redistrubite the movie. If you don't have an agreement with the copyright holder (like the TV station does) you don't have the right to distrubite the work.

      A Movie does not lose all value when it's broadcast. Video rental store have lots of movies that have been broadcast that people still rent. Movies that have been broadcast still are offered for sale by the studios, and people buy them. The copyright holder not only can, but is still making money off the material after it is broadcast.

      The problem with copyright isn't that it exists, it's that the length of the copyright has become so long that it no longer serves it's original purpose of encouraging new works, rather it's become a way of keeping works out of the public domain where they could serve as the basis for new works that would compete for market dollars.

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  5. Re:interesting by JPelorat · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Right, so then you think it's ok to set up a dictatorship? No need for any of that pesky 'democratic debate' nonsense? Just get it done with no accountability whatsoever?

    Wrong.

    The ends do not justify the means. Ever.

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  6. Sen Hollings by MeNeXT · · Score: 3, Insightful
    has forgotten who the PEOPLE are.

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    1. Re:Sen Hollings by teamhasnoi · · Score: 5, Funny
      I'm afraid you are right. Senator Hollings has forgotten who people are, because he is only a refurbished automaton from the 'Pirates of the Caribbean.'

      When no one is in his office, 'he' quickly opens his chest plate and drinks some more oil. (You can see the Bush connection rather easily.)

      Senator Hollings and his rampage of bad legislation MUST be stopped. 'He' will let nothing stand in his way of his goal of Total Disneyfication of the entire world.

      'His' Achilles Heel?

      Pies.

      Throw pies at the Senator. That will interfere in his 'Small World Reasoning Center'. Only you can stop the madness.

  7. Uhh.. by iONiUM · · Score: 2

    Apparently too impatient to implement the Broadcast Flag in digital media through legislative means

    I'm glad companies no longer feel the need to respect the government, and they'd rather just pressure them into doing what they want fast. I find it amazing what people will do (government) when they don't understand things (technology), they just assume people like the FCC are right.

  8. I don't get it.... by tacokill · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How, exactly, is a PVR any different from a VCR?

    Ok, lets say we give in to the removal of the ad-skipping feature. Now -- how is it different?

    1. Re:I don't get it.... by phunhippy · · Score: 4, Funny

      How, exactly, is a PVR any different from a VCR?

      the PV and VC... the R is the same :)

    2. Re:I don't get it.... by TGK · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A PVR records digitaly onto a hard drive. With a little work and way to much spare time you can modify one of these things such that this file can be coppied, burned to CD, distributed over P2P network etc.

      VCRs record (I think) in analog on a magnetic tape. Thus, repeated duplication always results in inferior quality. Furthermore, repeated viewing also results in inferior quality.

      The result is that any video stream recorded from a VCR has a finite shelf life (long, but finite). Where as anything recorded with a PVR could (hypotheticly) have an infinite shelf life (ok, remaining life of the Earth) and no real limit on the number of copies possible.

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    3. Re:I don't get it.... by Reziac · · Score: 2

      Theoretically, yes. Practically, no.

      As to shelf life, videotape typically outlives hard disks by about 3 to 1.

      As to quality, considering that compression down to rational file sizes (say one CD apiece) cuts quality to less than good VHS, that's a marginal argument too.

      I think the real reason is more akin to what the RIAA has already demonstrated: the desire for total control over the distribution channels, for ALL related products. The MPAA wants to cut off independent producers who just might eschew traditional theatre or even DVD entirely and go for the pay-per-download approach. Voila, no middleman, no distribution chain, thus no need for the MPAA.

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    4. Re:I don't get it.... by SideshowBob · · Score: 2

      You can buy digital VCRs now.

      http://www.mitsubishi-tv.com/dvhs.html .. is one example.

    5. Re:I don't get it.... by Rakarra · · Score: 2
      Uh oh, if they read this we'll lose out encoder cards. Nevermind! Nothing to see here, nope, not a thing.. move along.

      Sorry, but the "copyright bit" plan includes a phasing out of video encoder cards. That is, once the copyright bit is introduced (and enforced), that encoder card will be useless for recording copyright-bit broadcasts without some type of intermediary.

  9. Inticing by prof187 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Whenever someone comes out with new technology to prevent piracy, all it does is spur interest in trying to get by it. For instance, the "protected CDs" that could be gotten around with a marker. If they are serious about it, they need to implement the technology without letting the world know first, that way there will at least be a slow down before people realize it and get around it. It's always just a matter of time.

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  10. Will they ever understand? by Capt_Troy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    At what point in time will the government and big business understand that watermarks and "broadcast flags" will not work? I can't imagine the ammount of money spent on technology that will (and has) failed in persuit of curtailing piracy...

    When will they figure out that P2P file sharing networks (not to mention IRC, which apparently they are oblivious to) won't be going away? They need to play the cards life has dealt them and figure out how to use these to their advantage or provide a system that is better and more aligned with their business (selling commercials). The world is about change, did all the radio stations get angry when they invented TV? No, they all became TV stations too!

    For example, if you assume all TV brodcasts are going to be pirated. Make it easier for the people downloading these shows by providing them for free on a website and keeping the commercials in the show. If you stream them then they cannot fast forward through commercials. So you basically provide all of your content on demand with commercials (more air time for advertisers thus more expensive commercials). Personally, I'd go watch Alias streamed (if it was a good 300k stream) with commercials rather than sifting around and waiting in queues on IRC or spending days trying to get it on gnutalla. And if we are worried about modem users, they can't download pirated TV anyway, files are too large.

    Just a thought.

    1. Re:Will they ever understand? by zerocool^ · · Score: 5, Funny

      Attention MPAA.

      Usenet does not exist.
      Nothing more to see here.
      Move along.

      ~Will

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  11. Re:interesting by Gryffin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Now let's hope some of the Good Guys (tm) start doing the same thing."

    You're laboring under the misconception that there are "good guys". Remember, this is Congress we're talking about.

    (Yeah yeah, I know, Boucher seems fairly clueful on issues of importance to the Slashcrowd, but I suspect he's just playing contrarian because the RIAA/MPAA haven't stuffed him full o' cash. Yet. Dig around, I'm sure he belongs to somebody other than his voters.)

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  12. Re:You actually ELECT these people? by Peyna · · Score: 2

    The problem is that the minority of people who actually vote are uninformed and ignorant to the issues that really matter. Instead they will vote for someone based on their view on 1 subject or simply because of their party alignment.

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  13. With Real being open-source... by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 2

    Now that Real is open-source, wanna bet that the MPAA will "embrace and extend" it with it's own anti-piracy scheme???

  14. no more TV for me.... by night_flyer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    thats it, Im through, there is nothing worth watching anyway, so good-bye boob-tube, we had some good times in the past, twilight zone, Barney Miller, MASH, I love Lucy, Hogans Heros, Bugs Bunny and Road Runner, but today it is nothing but drivel like "When batchlorettes in Alaska go bad 3" Its not worth it anymore, and this just seals the deal.

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    1. Re:no more TV for me.... by Maran · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Don't worry, there's plenty of other things to do besides watch TV. You can...

      Watch a movie at your local cinema. Oh no, sorry, we hate the MPAA, don't we.

      Watch DVDs. Erk, same problem.

      Listen to music. Nope, that's the RIAA. Not doing very well, are we?

      Use P2P software constantly. Isn't that supposed to be terrorism?

      Write open-source software. Sigh. No, because open-source is terrorism too.

      Send e-mails and read the internet. Unless you want to be monitored constantly.

      Play games on your PC. Unless we don't like the EULA. Or it's by Blizzard.

      Read a book. Do we hate publishers at the moment? No? Whee! We've found a means of entertainment!

      Boredom - the fate awaiting all who believe in freedom ^_^

      Maran

    2. Re:no more TV for me.... by The_Shadows · · Score: 2

      See? This is the problem! You've gotten to watch those shows! I'm too young too have seen most of them. I've caught them occasionally, and they're wonderful! I want to watch all of MASH! Hogan's Heroes is hilarious! I Love Lucy is classic! I've seen maybe 10 episodes each of Twilight Zone and Alfred Hitchcock Presents! It's infuriating.

      Even today, there are a few good shows that stand out. I want to watch them too. The Simpsons is still a good show, and West Wing is amazing. My family used to [college got in the way] sit down every Wednesday to watch West Wing together. Sometimes we couldn't watch it, as we had a play to go to (yes! REAL theatre!). If we couldn't record it, there's not exactly a way to see it, is there? Except wait until it comes on in re-reruns. And if you miss it then? Too. Fucking. Bad.

      I do have a question though. My family doesn't have one, but what are the implications for TiVO users? Are they just going to be told, "Well. You're screwed." or what? Any returns or refunds? I mean, this would be like buying a CD-RW drive and then being told it can't be used to burn CDs, only to read them. It negates a major purpose of a device. We use the DVD player if we rent movies. We only use the VCR to play back things we've recorded on it anymore. No record = no playback = no purpose. Damn them all.

      This is just as bad as the pop-up ads in TV shows article on /. a few weeks ago.

      I'm disgusted. Later all.

    3. Re:no more TV for me.... by The_Shadows · · Score: 2

      There are no copies of West Wing available in the US, according to Amazon.com. I live in the USA.

      I just researched, and you can't get the West Wing on DVD in the US. Isn't it sad that one if the most popular TV shows about American politics isn't available to buy, except in the UK? Not even in America?

      Basically, I could buy a region free DVD player and import it, but that's not exactly the economical way to do it. *sigh* They'd make a small killing by putting out season one here.

    4. Re:no more TV for me.... by ShavenYak · · Score: 2

      You're right, I don't have a TiVo. I have a similar device, known as a VCR, which records television programming without being plugged into a phone line, downloading my viewing habits to a third party, and charging a monthly fee. That doesn't change the fact that there's precious little on TV worth watching, let alone going to the trouble of setting a timer to record.

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    5. Re:no more TV for me.... by loraksus · · Score: 2

      umm. . . fuck, lay, go to bed with etc?

      ya, ya mod me to shit, whatever
      Waiting for the lameness filter etc etc

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    6. Re:no more TV for me.... by jafac · · Score: 2

      I do have a question though. My family doesn't have one, but what are the implications for TiVO users? Are they just going to be told, "Well. You're screwed." or what? Any returns or refunds? I mean, this would be like buying a CD-RW drive and then being told it can't be used to burn CDs, only to read them.

      It's like buying a gun and being told it can't be used to shoot people. Only to look "cool" in a display case.

      It's like buying a car, and being told, since you might run someone over with it, you can't drive it anywhere.

      I don't think the entertainment industry gives a rat's ass what old hardware becomes obsolete and what new hardware you voluntarily to buy to consume their product their way.

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    7. Re:no more TV for me.... by GlobalEcho · · Score: 2

      As a friend of mine asks, what mad comic genius conceived that WWII P.O.W. camp would be a hilarious location for a sitcom?

    8. Re:no more TV for me.... by The_Shadows · · Score: 2

      And this is the same principle that goes behind Palladium. DRM in software and hardware. Actually, more appropriately, it's what goes into the SSSCA. Remember this bill? The one that makes DRM a requirement and open-source effectively a crime? This bill, if ever passed (Tyr forbid), would require new hardware for computer users within, IIRC, 6 months. And no building your own system. Ever.

      I agree that the industries don't care. But that doesn't make it right.

      To counter your examples, the 2nd can not be done and the first isn't buying a gun and being told not to shoot people. It's buying a gun and being told not to USE it. For any reason. That would certainly piss off the 5-10 hunters I know and the several million across the US. Just as this would piss off the many millions of people across the country who like to record things.

  15. I 've got an idea! by af_robot · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If they'll enforce broadcast flag under FCC rules, then it will create a good opportunity to ads-free recording: you just have to reverse firmware in your recorder to store programs WITH broadcast flag...So all ads will be skipped
    hehe :)

    1. Re:I 've got an idea! by jmorse · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually, you can do that now with the V-Chip signal. That signal is broadcast during shows so that Tipper Gore types can set their TV up to block their kids from seeing evil things like TV news and keep them focused on the healthy stuff like Marilyn Manson and Barney. The signal is not broadcast during ads.

      You can try this at home if you have a V-Chip TV. Just set it to some prudish PMRC-level setting and try to watch something. The program will be blacked out but the ads will show just fine.

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  16. Re:Welcome to Democracy by mcwop · · Score: 2

    Yes, the rest of the world is setting a fine free speech example as evidenced by Italy

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  17. Congress not in session by zoombat · · Score: 2
    According to the Cnet article, they are going straight to the FCC because congress is log-jammed and about to adjurn for break. The senate is off from 8/5 - 9/2 and the house from 7/29 - 9/3. Then they both are planning to adjurn for the year on 10/4.

    They just know they introduced their bills way too late and don't want to wait.

  18. The truth of the matter by Argyle · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "There has grown in the minds of certain groups in this country the idea that just because a man or corporation has made a profit out of the public for a number of years, the government and the courts are charged with guaranteeing such profit in the future, even in the face of changing circumstances and contrary to public interest. This strange doctrine is supported by neither statue or common law. Neither corporations or individuals have the right to come into court and ask that the clock of history be stopped, or turned back."

    -Robert Heinlein, Life Line, 1939

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    1. Re:The truth of the matter by Badgerman · · Score: 2

      The idea companies and individuals have an absolute right to make a profit is not just the root of this behavior - its one of the roots of the scandals now plauging American businesses.

      It's not very far from "I can cook the books to make money" to "I can manipulate the government to enforce my ability to make money" is it?

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  19. Fine. by NetRanger · · Score: 3, Interesting
    If I cannot control the equipment I bought with my own money, then I expect the content providers to pay for everyone's televisions. I think that's damn fair.

    Otherwise they need to stay the hell out of my equipment, because it belongs to me.

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    1. Re:Fine. by Tetsujin28 · · Score: 2


      If I cannot control the equipment I bought with my own money, then I expect the content providers to pay for everyone's televisions. I think that's damn fair.

      They just might go for that. They'll make sure every house has a TV with no off switch. Or channel selector. Or volume control. They'll take care of all that for us.

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    2. Re:Fine. by EvilStein · · Score: 2

      "An off switch! They'll get *years* for that.."

      -Max Headroom episode.. mid 80's..

  20. Re:You actually ELECT these people? by TGK · · Score: 2

    You make the rather tragic assumption that they're not allready doing that. I mean, we know who -=voted=- for them, but those people don't really count. Most of the country has either decided well in advance of any election that it is either Democrat or Republican. It's the undecided few (or apathetic many) that decide the election.

    Who do you think changes those people's minds? Who gets those swing votes out? I'll tell you who. Advertising agencies. Those agencies need money. Where do you think that comes from?

    So yea, they are representing the people who got them there in the first place. Problem is, those people aren't their constituents.

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  21. Bad precedent? by why-is-it · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Our legislative system is bogged down with bureaucracy and partisan game-playing. The only decisions that get made with any efficiency are those dealing with terrorists or legislators' pay raises. So although I find their goals nauseating, the senators' approach of going straight to the source and sidestepping the whole legislative tar pit is admirable and invigorating.

    I wonder if this isn't a bad precedent. The members of the legislature are accountable to the electorate (in theory at least.) If the proposed regulation becomes a law, the voters can hold the senator from Disney accountable for his actions. Referring the matter to the FCC will no doubt be a faster means to the same end, but it is an end-run around the democratic process.

    After all, how many people voted for any of the members of the FCC?

    If anything, this move strikes me as rather anti-democratic. Certainly, bypassing the individuals who are publicly accountable from the process entirely would speed things up. I am sure that the lobbiests and appointees could get rules and regulations passed much faster. I am not sure that it would be to Joe Sixpack's advantage though...

    However, I am sure that the MPAA and RIAA would find the results very satisfactory. Just think how much they could save if they did not have to buy politicians anymore!

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    1. Re:Bad precedent? by TheSync · · Score: 2

      After all, how many people voted for any of the members of the FCC?

      Everyone who didn't vote Libertarian? ;)

  22. I don't see the justificationg by Burning*Cent · · Score: 2, Informative

    47 USC 336(b)(4), Hollings justification for the broadcast flag:
    The [FCC] shall ... adopt such technical and other requirements as may be necessary or appropriate to assure the quality of the signal used to provide advanced television services, and may adopt regulations that stipulate the minimum number of hours per day that such signal must be transmitted....

    I don't think any judge would believe that this provides for mandating standards to avoid copyright infringement. A change of law would be necessary if Hollings does want such a mandate.

  23. Re:My question number one! by SirSlud · · Score: 2

    You can ask the same question about the drug war - why not change the laws, because if you arrested every person who'd ever committed a drug related crime, you'd arrest the population of Texas, Colerado, Arkansaws.

    Really, the game of fighting drugs, or fighting piracy has become such a business and goal in its own right that it really isn't connected to the purpose (protecting communities, artists) it was meant to serve in the first place. What are all the businesses who's viability rests on the protection of IP going to do if you just go out and arrest all the guilty folks tommorow?

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  24. With any luck by unformed · · Score: 2

    They'd both complain about the other getting paid more, and refuse to help until they had a sole "contract". Weehee, on the road to chaos!

  25. Re:Won't work ... by umm+qasr · · Score: 2, Insightful
    As long as the picture has to be decoded before it is sent to the TV (via your SVHS/Scart/RF lead) we'll be able to record it. Admittedly not digitally

    It would be just like saying "DVD's will not be copied" 5 years ago. We all know that isn't true.

    Someone will always find a way around it, just as the MPAA will always find a way to stop it. This article shows that it is seemingly more difficult for the MPAA to put these procedures in place, that it is for people to circumvent them.

    This is a Good Thing--it shows the government is protecting fair-use for the most part. Just as people will not stop circumventing stupid technologies that restric fair use (e.g. DeCSS), the MPAA will never stop their crusade either.

    They have a flawed business model, and think we are all thieves, and while they continue to have enough money to buy senators (Fritz et al.), that image will prevail, and the leapfrogging will continue.

  26. Re:You actually ELECT these people? by st0rmshad0w · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "The problem is that the minority of people who actually vote are uninformed and ignorant to the issues that really matter."

    Actually, the problem is that to those who vote, these types of issues DON'T matter. I'd be willing to bet they have a laundry list of concerns before they get to stuff that the slashcrowd cares about.

  27. Re:interesting by gilroy · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Blockquoth the poster:
    Our legislative system is bogged down with bureaucracy and partisan game-playing.
    That's not a failure of the system. That is the system. "Partisan game-playing" is just a different way of saying "deliberative process".

    The FCC is an executive agency. It should not be making policy, especially policy of this scope. Haven't you been paying attention to the disastrous results of FCC policy changes in the 1990s? Consolidation of radio into one or two companies. Creation of horizontal media empires. Extensive and undisclosed cross-branding. Death of HDTV.

    This is not two elected officials taking the high road out of the muck and mire. This is two elected officials who know that there is no way they can get something like this through Congress -- most voters like their VCRs very much, thank you -- and thus these two elected officials want to do an end-run around the democratic process.

    In an administration explicitly modeled on and sympathetic to big business, of course the bought senators would rather deal with the bureaucrats. The bureaucrats are much more likely to have at heart the interests of the senators' masters, Big Media.

  28. 10 yers later........ by tanveer1979 · · Score: 2
    The US senate has passed a ruling in which every infant born must be implanted with no memory flag which will not let it remember any digital content.

    This ruling was passed after MPAA realized that there is a signal flow between eye and brain and storing that DATA in memory is a copyright violation.

    Sounds funny eh? It isnt. It stopped being funny long time ago.

    We consumers are theives, and pirates who want to destroy the economy.

    Thats what the fine print says. Period
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  29. Bring on dictatorship??? by sterno · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That "tar pit" you speak of is also known as the democratic process and it exists for VERY good reasons. It exists so that people who might possibly disagree have a chance to express their disagreement. Legislation by executive fiat is a very dangerous road to travel.

    Historically democracies are destroyed, not by external forces, but rather buy a growing internal dislike of the corrpution and tar pit characteristics of the process. People feel like democracy doesn't ever get anything done, and while it is true to some extent, it is also democracy's methodical checks and balances that protects us from fascism. Fascism gets things done, it just sucks to be you when the boot heel comes down on you and those you love.

    This sort of move seems indicative of what I fear may be dangerous times for our democracy. All sides of the political spectrum are convinced that the system is fundamentally broken. Government, unable to trust it's own ability to get things done has been setting up these little extra-democractic bureaucracies to run the show without public input, in the hopes of getting something accomplished. ICANN is a perfect example of this dangerous trend, a bureaucracy outside of democratic controls, created by a government convinced of its own ineptness to manage things correctly.

    Maybe the distance between manipulating the FCC to get copy controls into broadcasts and electing Hitler is wide, but it seems that the same motivations drive either. We're fed up with the system, and we want somebody to fix it and increasingly we seem willing to give up our democracy just to get something done. It's that kind of desperation that destroys democracy.

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    1. Re:Bring on dictatorship??? by dschuetz · · Score: 2

      Government, unable to trust it's own ability to get things done has been setting up these little extra-democractic bureaucracies to run the show without public input, in the hopes of getting something accomplished.

      Hear, hear!

      Excellent analysis. I hadn't quite thought of it this way, but this does seem to be how it's been going, doesn't it?

      So, how do we fix things? It seems to me that these conversations always come back to needing a good, honest, centrist political party that actually *makes sense* and can win on those terms, without having to kowtow to the $$. If that party develops, and makes inroads, then maybe they can stop the madness. But you need a certain critical mass of people / opinions / visibility before a party could start winning elections, and then you need another critical mass inside congress to start actually making a difference.

      If we could do that, then maybe we'd be able to start trusing ourselves again, and can start wittling back the extra-democratic controls that you spoke of.

      About the only silver lining is that, eventually, any really crappy laws will get repealed. The problem is that we might have an entire generation or two (or many more, as was the case with slavery and civil rights reforms) before things "get better". And what will that do to our country as an economic power? *that* is my real fear. That as we try to sort out these stupid special interests, we end up hindering our own economy so much that the European Union destroys us in the long run (or the Far East, or, God help us if they ever unify and start governing effectively, Africa). There're plenty of SMART people out there (most of the planet). Just because we're kicking their butts today doesn't mean that, in a hundred years, the tables won't be turned.

    2. Re:Bring on dictatorship??? by medcalf · · Score: 2
      So, how do we fix things? It seems to me that these conversations always come back to needing a good, honest, centrist political party that actually *makes sense* and can win on those terms, without having to kowtow to the $$. If that party develops, and makes inroads, then maybe they can stop the madness. But you need a certain critical mass of people / opinions / visibility before a party could start winning elections, and then you need another critical mass inside congress to start actually making a difference.

      Actually, you are making a classic mistake: assuming that people will suddenly wake up and act in the greater good, against their own predjudices and in some cases even self-interest. There is a solution though: repeal amendments 16 and 17 and modify the various amendments which have expanded the right of suffrage.

      The 16th amendment allows the Federal government to collect income tax, and thus to extend the Federal Legislative power without monetary restraint.

      The 17th amendment compels States to choose their Senators by popular election. This means that both the Senators and Representatives are chosen directly. This weakens (in fact, basically eliminates) the power of States to defend themselves by influencing lawmaking that would harm them. In effect, it has expanded Legislative power by removing the restraint of accountability to the States.

      The various amendments which have expanded the right of suffrage have been well-intentioned, and in some cases necessary. For example, disallowing a person from voting on account or race or gender is clearly wrong. However, the right of suffrage has been vastly overexpanded. People tend to vote in their own self-interest, so you really only want people to vote when their self-interest is in the long-term interest of the nation, and of its Republican form of government, as a whole. The original Constitution allowed people to vote if they owned significant real property or were otherwise qualified to vote for the most numerous branch of their State Legislature. This tended to meet the test I set out above, because these people tended to be independent and "unbuyable", and their interests were served by the stability and peace of the Republic and the growth of the economy overall. The original definition, however, was too narrow, and excluded people who had shown their dedication to the preservation of the Republic through other means. Personally, I'd say that any person who has attained the age of maturity (there should only be one - for military service, voting, drinking, driving or flying without restrictions, etc) and has met one of the following tests should be allowed to vote:

      • owns significant non-mobile real property either directly or in joint custody (as a result of marriage, for example)
      • owns at least 25% of a business generating revenues of at least some fixed amount, which is not purely a service business (so that it could not be easily relocated outside the US if things got bad)
      • has retired from service in the military, paramilitaries and first responders (reserves, Coast Guards, police and law enforcement agencies, firefighters and paramedics, etc)
      • has served in combat, combat support or combat service support in an active theater of war, or has lost a spouse or child to such service
      • an argument could be made for parents of dependent children

      The basic idea is that you want voters to be interested in the long-term peace and prosperity of the nation. People who can relocate without significant loss, and who have not already otherwise invested heavily in the peace and stability of the country, have no incentive to vote wisely. They will choose that person who promises them the most goodies over the person who promises expanding wealth and maintaining peace while not impinging on the rights of individuals.

      The beauty of this method of changing the system, by the way, is that changes to the Constitution can be made without the consent of Congress, by the procedures laid out in Article 5 of the Constitution.

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    3. Re:Bring on dictatorship??? by invenustus · · Score: 2
      I agree with you 100% on the 16th and 17th Amendments - they've got to go. However, I can't possibly imagine 3/4 of the states going for that now.... or even 1/4. Everyone is somehow dependent on the federal government for one thing or another, and it's hard to give up the one program that benefits you directly to get rid of the million other programs that hurt you indirectly. (Milton and Rose Friedman's The Tyranny of the Status Quo deals with this paradox in depth.) Also, I take issue with this:
      Personally, I'd say that any person who has attained the age of maturity (there should only be one - for military service, voting, drinking, driving or flying without restrictions, etc)
      If you're concerned with the rights of individual states, why would you want one age of consent for everything in the country? Aren't some of those things in the realm of state policy and others not?
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    4. Re:Bring on dictatorship??? by Enigma2175 · · Score: 2
      Hear, hear!

      Thank you sooooooooooo much for using that correctly. I don't believe I have ever seen that phrase used correctly on /. before your post. If I see one more inane post with the words "here, here" I think I will vomit.

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    5. Re:Bring on dictatorship??? by 5KVGhost · · Score: 2

      You're absolutely right. I think an even more fundemental problem is that the government is assuming those responsibilities in the first place. The reason it fails is because the system is being asked to do something beyond its function.

      There's a reason that private businesses aren't structured like the federal government, and it's the same reason why the government isn't structured like a business. They're different structures designed for very different purposes with different types of controls on their behaviors.

      Hybridized monstrosities like ICANN typically exhibit the worst of both systems, an opauque beauracracy without even the most minimal restraints of market dynamics or regulatory accountability that a real corporation would face.

    6. Re:Bring on dictatorship??? by invenustus · · Score: 2
      "Name one government program you can't live without", to which most people couldn't respond.
      I can name four. My dad's state university job, my mom's federally-funded education job, my state university education, and my federally-funded research job.

      Would the country be better off without these? Don't tell my parents or my bosses here, but yes. These programs probably unemploy more people than they employ. But the people they unemploy are affected gradually and indirectly, whereas if the programs were cut, I'd be affected immediately and directly.

      I'd like to think I'd support reducing the scope of government even if it meant losing my job and my parents' losing theirs, but I'm only human.
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  30. Tried and true solution by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The absolute best solution to this kind of thing has been around for decades, works perfectly, doesn't cost a cent, and causes your day to suddenly seem a couple of hours longer:

    Sell your TV.

    Try, just try, life without a television. You'd be amazed how little you miss it, and how much other stuff you'll do instead. If you have a significant other, you'll have time to actually spend with that person, instead of sitting on your arse and not looking at each other. If you don't have an SO, you'll drastically increase your chances of finding one. If you're not looking, you'll at least have time to pursue other hobbies, like coding, or cooking, or bungee jumping, or whatever the heck else trips your trigger. Just try it. You may very well love it.

    We live in a capitalist society. If you don't like what the businesses are trying to do to you, then stop using their product. What the hell does a federally-mandted broadcast flag matter to you when you don't watch TV?

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    1. Re:Tried and true solution by acceleriter · · Score: 4, Funny

      Next, get rid of your internet connection. It will have the effects you describe, ten-fold, for lots of people here :).

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    2. Re:Tried and true solution by pi+radians · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So your solution is if you enjoy something and someone comes alaong at tries to capitalize or restrict on your enjoyment, just walk away and do nothing?

      Why should anyone give up television? It's great that you're being all "holier-than-thou" about TV, but many people do enjoy it.

      If that were the case, I'm assuming you don't listen to music anymore, watch movies anymore, play video games and surf the intern--- wait a second! Obviously you feel that content control is only applicable on things you don't care for.

      This kind of action should not be ignored. Every medium that "they" restrict will just lead to more power for "them". Selling your TV doesn't solve the problem, it just gives "them" the go-ahead to do this to something else.

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    3. Re:Tried and true solution by mosch · · Score: 2

      And the solution to removing the power from military regimes in the Middle East is to buy a bicycle. Sorry, but that just doesn't fly. The goal is to keep the things you like, not to change your life because somebody wants some boneheaded laws.

    4. Re:Tried and true solution by JUSTONEMORELATTE · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm not the original poster -- I was preparing to post the same advice when I found someone already had.
      My claim is that television is much more like an addiction than like something that people enjoy and appreciate. Watching television isn't living your life. At best it's setting aside your life for an hour or four every day. At worst, it's vicariously living someone else's idea of what your life should be.
      You (pi radians) think you're fighting against content control. Broadcast television television isn't uncontroled content today. The lines between "content" and "advertisement" are already blurred, and I don't just mean product placement, I mean program sponsors gaining editorial control over scripts.
      You're getting duped if you think you have the freedom to watch a show without ads. You're accepting a straw-man definition of "freedom" so you'll keep watching what they want.

      Just walk away. Wait for the withdrawl to fade, and see if you miss it or not.


      And for what it's worth, the quote generator at the bottom of the page had this to say when I viewed the parent:
      Woolsey-Swanson Rule: People would rather live with a problem they cannot solve rather than accept a solution they cannot understand.

    5. Re:Tried and true solution by WinterSolstice · · Score: 2
      Well, not always life without TV. Sometimes it's life without Internet, or life without PlayStation, or whatnot.

      It's just people who are willing to give up something and believe other people should be too.

      Sort of like those joggers who think that everyone would like jogging if they would just try it once or twice.

      The best thing is to just ignore them, and enjoy watching society move in its bizzare ways.

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    6. Re:Tried and true solution by pi+radians · · Score: 2

      You (pi radians) think you're fighting against content control.

      No I don't. My post was saying that it is much better to try to fight such actions than to roll over and accept them (in this case, turning off the TV and walking away). If you think that they will stop at just TV, you just being ignorant.

      You're getting duped if you think you have the freedom to watch a show without ads. You're accepting a straw-man definition of "freedom" so you'll keep watching what they want.

      This has nothing to do with me wanting to record a show and watching it later. I am very much aware what kind of corporate crap they put out on TV. But for this thread, it's neither here nor there.

      And don't patronize me please. I will once again say that the only reason I posted was to say that just ignoring the problem won't stop it. Once "they" control what you can't record on TV, it'll move to other mediums (hell, it already exists on video-tapes, DVD's and CD's).

      Just walk away. Wait for the withdrawl to fade, and see if you miss it or not.

      Just so you know, I own one TV. It is connected to my DVD player, VCR and PS2. I don't get cable. I don't watch TV when I'm at home.

      Next time don't make such blatant assumtions. you'll be wrong more often than not.

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    7. Re:Tried and true solution by The+Wing+Lover · · Score: 2

      Oh, come on.

      I get paid to sit around all day and think. After that's done, I go to night school and think some more. After I get home from school, I often sit at my computer and code and think some more.

      But you know what? Sometimes I need a break. Sometimes it is useful to just kick back, relax, and watch something just because it's entertaining. I'm not pretentious enough that I have to pretend not to enjoy some mindless entertainment once in a while.

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    8. Re:Tried and true solution by dswensen · · Score: 4, Informative

      Though I don't advise anyone else to sell / do without their television (in my experience, people get very defensive and personal about it very quickly, as if you're attacking a member of their family), I have been without it for a few years now, and I don't miss it a bit.

      I used to be a big-time TV junkie. I thought I couldn't live without Star Trek, Simpsons, Homicide, whatever... to the point where I would pass on social engagements to watch the shows, fly into rages when the VCR didn't record the show correctly (or it was pre-empted), etc. etc... and then I just stopped watching it and found out that yes, I could live without it, pretty easily.

      I still do have it, for occasionally watching the movies that I own, or playing some Dreamcast when friends come over, but that's about it. But in the meantime, I've caught up on my reading, the house is quieter, the nights are longer (it's true) and I actually talk to my SO during meals again. Not a bad trade.

      Oddly enough, the biggest hassle I get from not watching television is from people who can't believe I don't. I've seen reactions ranging from shock and disbelief to anger and hostility. The thing I hear most often is "Oh, so you're one of those KILL YOUR TELEVISION people?" No, I just killed mine, you can let yours live if you want.

    9. Re:Tried and true solution by fishbowl · · Score: 2

      They become jealous when they realize that they spend 6 hours a day in front of the tube, and you don't.

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  31. Re:My question number one! by TGK · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why isn't the current laws enforce instead of introducing new ones? I just don't get it.

    You posted this AC and I'll never know why. At first glance it looks like a troll, but it's not.

    The NRA has advanced this argument for years. It's summed up in their bumper stickers "Guns don't kill people, people kill people." As much as I hate to say it, they're right.

    DVRs don't commit piracy, people commit piracy.

    The NRA has launched a succefull and powerfull campaign in American government to portray guns as tools, not weapons. The MPAA and the RIAA are launching a similarly successfull campaign to portray P2P networks, DVRs, CD burners, DVD burners, Computers, Abaci, and Pencils as criminal skills development equipment.

    I only wish the technical professionals in the US had the gumption to organize like the AARP has. There's a reason why everyone's afraid to touch Social Security but no one thinks twice before trying to outlaw something like floppy drives.

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  32. someone buy that poster a beer by realgone · · Score: 2
    I don't have any mod points to spend right now, but I've just grabbed a dry-erase marker and scribbled a little (+1, Insightful) on my screen next to your post. Please accept it with my compliments. =)

    It's too true. Had one of the Good Guys taken a similar action, it would have been hailed in these pages as a necessary escalation to prevent the whole issue from getting bogged down in a corrupt legislative process. But when the Bad Guys do it, we all label it an underhanded attempt to circumvent the checks and balances of that very same legislature.

    And you want to know the scariest part? Even though I'm quite aware of this double standard, I still feel the temptation to lock Hollings in the Senate coat closet and not let him out until he admits he's a "dirty rat fink and kept boy of the entertainment industry".

    Sometimes a overly strong opinion can be almost as dangerous thing to hold as a overly weak one...

  33. Re:Public my interest! by gilroy · · Score: 2
    Blockquoth the poster:
    In what twisted bassackward world does *any* of the uses for a broadcast flag serve the public interest?
    Oh, they're ready for that. Read the Consumer Broadband and Digital Television Promotion Act. If we don't give Hollywood what it demands, then they won't release digital content. That makes digital TV sort of a dead issue. And it keeps movies off the Internet, so no one will spend for broadband. A lot of phone and cable companies will be stuck with a lot of unused capacity. Then plagues will run the land and the sky will fall open and the earth be swalloed in darkness. Woe!

    That argument is of course BS -- it's Hollywood saying, "Give me a broadcast flag or I'll just walk away from the billions that digital broadcast is gonna make me" -- but that doesn't matter. They just need to have an answer, not a good one.

  34. Re:Our junior senator by ShavenYak · · Score: 2

    You may be making the grave mistake of underestimating the stupidity of people in large groups. I hope you're right though. Not only is he failing his constituents, he's endangering the freedoms of the entire country. I guess he's too senile to remember the oath he took to uphold the Constitution?

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  35. without letting the world know first by oliverthered · · Score: 2

    It would be very difficult to not let the world know first.
    1: You have to tell people that the system isn't standards complient or that a new version of the standard has comeout.
    2: Competition rules would require that information be freely available to manufacturers(but possibly cost something to implement)
    3: Somebody's going to leak the information anyhows.

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  36. Re:Get BETA! by ShavenYak · · Score: 2

    That's handy to know. Can you still get blank tapes? (this is not a flame, it's a legit quesion)

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  37. Re:You actually ELECT these people? by dschuetz · · Score: 2
    You actually ELECT these people?

    Well, yeah, some of 'em. Others win sort of ambiguously (Bush in Florida), and still others are simply appointed to powerful posts with very little real voter control (Powell as FCC chairman).

    The worst of it is there's really not much we can do about it. (I'm feeling cynical today). Here're the big problems, as I see it, with the US system:

    Special interests pump lots of money into elections. They do this to get their issues voted on their way. Because they're so vocal, candidates get plenty of expensive press. Because (for example) the incumbent gets so much press, his opponents needs press to, so he goes to other special interests. And so on. This is why we need good campaign finance reform, but we won't get it (or something like it) until after the next round of elections, and even that is unclear if it'll survive a court test because of a little something we call Free Speech.

    Politicians want to keep their jobs. Congressmen want to stay congressmen, and Senators *definitely* want to stay senators. So they have to run every few years. So they need money to run. And we're back to campaign finance reform (CFR, 'cause I'm tried of spelling it out). Basically, we need to reform campaign finance because, well, people are constantly campaigning. But, wait, we could institute term limits! Well, that can't be done at a state level (it's been tried, and I believe some state measures have been struck down). So, we need term limits in the US Constitution. Well, who writes and approves amemendments for presentation to the states? Congress. It took how many years for CFR? Any bets on when we might see an amendment for term limits?

    We could bypass the congress and amend the constitution directly. It's possible to have a Constitutional Convention, bring together representatives from each state, and modify the constitution directly, without having to wait for congress. But the last time we did that, we threw out the old system ENTIRELY and created what we have now. I don't expect that we'd do anything quite as drastic, but I would expect that any delegates to a convention would be just as pressured by special interest groups as Congress is (if not, more). So, sure, we might get term limits. But we'd also get anti-abortion (or pro-choice, depending on who spends more), anti-flag-burning, DRM, permanent copyrights, and who knows what else. So this isn't an option.

    So, to review, for those of you outside the US wondering why we keep electing these idiots:
    • We can't stop the money
    • We can't get 'em to voluntarily step down
    • We can't use the power of the populace to force them to step down
    • We can't even get reasonable opponents elected, 'cause they all tend to swing too far to the *other* side. (you need one loud special interest to beat out the other).
    The only way, then, to "win," is to fight them at their own game -- with money. Campaign contributions, issue ads, strong PR campaigns, etc. But the "common folk" don't have a strong lobby. We don't have the money, we certainly don't have the party. There's simply no single unifying force for the vast majority of opinion in the US. So the majority ends up being ruled by some weird combination of minority (but well funded) views.

    At least we've got one thing going for us -- we don't kick out our President every time he does something that pisses off the majority of the country (well, we do, but we have to wait up to 4 years to do it). I never understand how countries like Isreal, Great Britain, or Italy can survive with Prime Ministers losing all hold on power on, essentially, a popular whim. So at least our executive branch (current dictatorial fiats notwithstanding) isn't quite as screwed up as other countries'.

  38. Foot bullet by Arcturax · · Score: 2

    This is actually going to HURT them. If I can't record the show, then I'm not going to be able to watch it if I'm not around when its on. That means I'm less likely to get hooked on the show and less likely to buy it on DVD later, or buy any of the other collectible junk sold to support the show.

    If anything, I will boycott any show which won't let you record it out of spite and I think a lot more people may as well.

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  39. Re:interesting by SirSlud · · Score: 2

    The true irony is how you like the very method that might be the _only_ way Hollywood gets to truely fuck you.

    Bureaucracy might be slow, but thats the whole point - so those with power and no public accountability can't stick it up your ass with nary a second thought.

    Democracy .. if you don't believe its working, thats pretty much the reason it ain't.

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  40. Re:You actually ELECT these people? by Peyna · · Score: 2

    Which is why people need to inform them of issues that should matter to them. Why do candidates always talk about a few key issues when they're up for office? Because big media and many other people have spent a lot of time and money convincing them that those issues are what matters (Abortion, campaign finance, etc.). Then look at what is actually done about those issues once they get into office. Not much is done, because not much can be done, because they are so controversial.

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  41. Re:interesting by tgibbs · · Score: 2
    Our legislative system is bogged down with bureaucracy and partisan game-playing.
    Indeed it is. It always has been, because it was intentionally desiged that way. Our founding fathers carefully set up a system in which legislation must pass through a long gauntlet of red tape before taking effect, because their experience had taught them that efficient government was the single greatest threat to individual freedom. There is nothing more dangerous than a government that can turn on a dime.
  42. Highly inappropriate behavior by Jerf · · Score: 3, Insightful

    (From my blog)

    I question the appropriateness and perhaps even legality (in an abstract theoretical sense) of a member of the legislative branch of the government urging a part of the executive branch to grab power it does not seem to have, because the legislative branch has not granted it. The legislator does not work by fiat, it's his job to legislate. Should he fail in that endeavor, as Hollings has up to this point, he should not go behind the scenes and try to get the executive branch to do his bidding anyhow.

    Congress should officially reprimand Hollings for this. (Not that I expect it...)

  43. Probably the most telling comment: by Maeryk · · Score: 2

    "We're here to defend intellectual property," said Jim DeLong, an economist at CEI. "If you want balance, go to another session."

    Does it appear to anyone else that that is pretty much the running theme for ANYTHING the MPAA has its fingers in? Its all or nothing with them. They rail about how they are losing like crazy, yet refuse to hear anything even remotely like a compromise.

    Well, I paid a heck of a lot of money for my home theater setup.. I guess if they manage to whack my TiVO (which I would assume they are also thinking about, as its pretty easy to dump the signal out to a decent recorder) then DirectTV is gonna lose my business. And probably a lot of OTHER peoples business as well.

    This looks to me like a pre-emptive strike at the HDTV standards that are going to come out.. after all, why WOULDNT you want to record something that is twice the clarity and fidelity of even the best DVD right now? They can control DVD's to a certain extent, but they will NOT be able to control this, they know it, and they are running scared before the fact.

    (Now.. if only we could get them to program something WORTH RECORDING in HDTV.. right now, I only get HBO (same old same old) and a couple of news channels.. and interminable re-runs of ER)

    Maeryk

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    1. Re:Probably the most telling comment: by Quikah · · Score: 2

      DVHS holds about 4 hours of HD res content on a tape. No media change neccessary.

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  44. Why be so drastic? by mblase · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I like my TV, for one reason: it lets me watch movies I rent and own. I don't like broadcast television, because it's saturated with commercials and the selection just isn't there and the quality is spotty and I have to stick to someone else's schedule (I can't afford a TiVo). Plus my wife and daughter like their soaps.

    So I keep the TV, got a good pickup antenna for network broadcasts, and refuse to pay for cable. Yeah, there are shows on Sci-Fi and Cartoon Network I wish I could catch, but when it's a big deal I ask a friend or family member to tape 'em for me. And they generally do. And if they don't, I wait until I can buy or rent the DVD and watch the whole thing without commercials (or download them off of KaZaA while I'm waiting, if it's really that important me).

    Bottom line: I'd rather spend $40/month on two DVDs I really like and want to own, than on cable television piping hours upon hours of useless junk into my household.

    1. Re:Why be so drastic? by Casca · · Score: 2

      Too bad if they have their way you won't actually own the DVD anymore, you'll just have a license to watch it. If they want to, they will be able to revoke that license, and your (their) DVD won't play in your (their) player anymore.

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  45. MS Code by oliverthered · · Score: 2

    Well beta's get out into the wild..

    M$ may monkey farm there developers so that developers only have access to a small amount of code, this is probably why the code is so bloated I can't intergrate systems properly in a sand-box environment

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  46. Legislation and Power by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm working my way through "A People's History of the United States" and find the current tactics of the RIAA and the MPAA very similar to those described throughout the book. The use of ostensibly neutral "laws" to further enhance the pocket books of monied interests.

    Prior to 1910 the law was used to protect the land owners and property owners, with numerous examples throughout the book of the courts upholding what were essentinally very unconstitutional laws favouring monied interests over blacks and poor whites (i.e. those without property) .

    With the RIAA and the MPAA we are seing similar sorts of laws proposed, only this time to protect the monied interests (those that "own" intellectual property) against those who don't.

    Why do the monied interests have the power to pass and uphold these laws? Because they control the legal systems - they are better able to afford lawyers, better able to lobby congress, better able to propogandize against those that hold alternate views.

    To me, this is all part of the tragedy of America these days.

  47. Re:Exactly by zaphod110676 · · Score: 2, Funny

    It would also be wrong to go back and in time to 1937 and shoot Hitler, before he gassed millions of innocent people because savings uncountable lives of children just isn't justified by taking away fewer than 10 lives of a raving lunatic.

    The Temporal Prime Directive forbids this. That's why it would be wrong.

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  48. How this *is* guaranteed.... by Codex+The+Sloth · · Score: 2

    > strange doctrine is supported by neither statue or common law.

    Heinlein was obviously not familiar with the concept of Lobbyists...

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    1. Re:How this *is* guaranteed.... by Danse · · Score: 2

      Relax. Nobody is claiming some sort of power because of their ID. If anything, it's just a bit of self-deprecating humor. We know that a low ID means nothing in the great scheme of things. Oh, and we don't allow smoking in our good ol' boy club.

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  49. FCC cannot impose broadcast flag... by Beautyon · · Score: 5, Informative

    because people have the right to timeshift all of the tv they watch, not just the programming the broadcasters want. There is already caselaw substantiating this.

    The MPAA tried shenanigans like this in '00 attacking RecordTV.com suceededing in shutting it down.

    If PVRs were in every house instead of VCRs, there would be no chance of this getting by, but since this wont directly impact people for several years it will be too late to complain once the new generation of flag obeying goods arrives, and everyone will probably just accept that now, you have to PAY to record TV and watch it at a later date. Or this will kill the adoption of PVRs; once people realize that you cant record whatever you want with a flag-crippled PVR.

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    1. Re:FCC cannot impose broadcast flag... by Rogerborg · · Score: 2
      • people have the right to timeshift all of the tv they watch [...] There is already caselaw substantiating this

      Al that means is that we have a fairly good chance of not being prosecuted or being found guilty of copyright infringement for timeshifting, or for making or selling devices that allow timeshifting.

      There is no "right" that stops broadcasters producing technical means to prevent you from doing so. Can you find caselaw for that?

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    2. Re:FCC cannot impose broadcast flag... by Wesley+Felter · · Score: 2

      AFAIK, the proposal allows PVRs to record a flagged program, as long as they ensure that the video doesn't get outside of the PVR in unprotected digital form.

    3. Re:FCC cannot impose broadcast flag... by Beautyon · · Score: 2

      There is no "right" that stops broadcasters producing technical means to prevent you from doing so. Can you find caselaw for that?

      Since you asked:

      TV broadcasters cannot add this flag to their broadcasts because this would remove the fair use rights of TV watchers; from the EFF:

      "Courts have previously found that a use was fair where the use of the copyrighted work was socially beneficial. In particular, U.S. courts have recognized the following fair uses: criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, research and parodies.

      In addition, in 1984 the Supreme Court held that time-shifting (for example, private, non-commercial home taping of television programs with a VCR to permit later viewing) is fair use. (Sony Corporation of America v. Universal City Studios, 464 U.S. 417 (1984, S.C.)"


      Which is the same case I posted above.

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    4. Re:FCC cannot impose broadcast flag... by david+duncan+scott · · Score: 2
      Yes, it is the same case you posted above, and you're missing the point. "Fair use" relieves you, the consumer, from legal hassle if you tape a program. It does NOT oblige the broadcaster to co-operate.

      Fair use means I can Xerox a page from a magazine to cite in a report. It does not require the publisher to print nice high-contrast pages that copy well.

      Fair use also applies to movies, which can be parodied, etc., but does not outlaw Macrovision.

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    5. Re:FCC cannot impose broadcast flag... by Beautyon · · Score: 2

      Macrovision is not a legally mandated content control system; what Hollings is asking for is a FEDERALLY MANDATED SYSTEM whereby it will become illegal to manufacture players that are non compliant with the broadcast flag standard.

      This is the crucial difference between content control systems that are voluntarily implemented like macrovision and those that are mandatory, like the proposed broadcast flag.

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    6. Re:FCC cannot impose broadcast flag... by david+duncan+scott · · Score: 2

      Yes, you're right. It's funny (well, my wife didn't think so) but I was just eating dinner when I abruptly said, "Oh, I bet he meant that the FCC couldn't do that!", and of course I agree with you. Mea culpa, and I especially apologize for my pedantic tone.

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    7. Re:FCC cannot impose broadcast flag... by Rogerborg · · Score: 2
      • Macrovision is not a legally mandated content control system; what Hollings is asking for is a FEDERALLY MANDATED SYSTEM. [...] This is the crucial difference between content control systems that are voluntarily implemented like macrovision and those that are mandatory, like the proposed broadcast flag.

      And that difference would be? Please cite a legal precedent to support why it's illegal for Congress to pass a new law to do this.

      Your assertion doesn't make it so. USING CAPITALS DOESN'T MAKE IT SO. If you're done with your tantrum, let's look at what's actually happening.

      Let's ask U.S District Court Judge Ronald Whyte what he thinks. He thinks that even when Congress writes a law that contains an explicit promise to not prevent fair use, that it still protects (note; protects, not allows) technology that de facto prevents fair use.

      Further, he thinks - explicitely - that even if you have fair use rights, you do not have the right to easy access. In the case of eBooks, Judge Whyte thinks that transcription is a perfectly acceptable method of making a fair use copy. I'll conjecture that he'd consider making a camcorder recording off of a TV screen as being about as practical.

      But don't mind me or Judge Whyte. You go on shrieking that fair use overrules technological protections, without bothering to cite relevant recent legal precedent.

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  50. Is it time for the Geek community to target... by dpilot · · Score: 5, Interesting

    People like Hollings for non-re-election? Perhaps we need "The Geek Lobby Page" where information about key publicly elected officials is kept.

    When is Hollings up for re-election?

    Who is running against him?

    Are the opponents views any better?

    We all grumble, complain, and flame. We also say we're too small. But have we tried yet to use tried-and-true mainstream political techniques?

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    1. Re:Is it time for the Geek community to target... by sehryan · · Score: 2

      When is Hollings up for re-election?

      Who is running against him?


      Doesn't matter, he will win. I know that sounds like a defeatist attitude, and well, it is. Be a liberal in this state for a few years and you will understand. I feel it, and I would say I am pretty close to middle.

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    2. Re:Is it time for the Geek community to target... by Plutor · · Score: 2

      Ernest "Fritz" Hollings was last re-elected to the US Senate in 1998. With the six-year term in the Senate, that means that he will be running again for office (presumably) in 2004.

    3. Re:Is it time for the Geek community to target... by lunenburg · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What the tech community needs is a united front on the issues. Sure, there's the EFF, DigitalConsumer.org, anti-dmca.org, digitalspeech.org, publicknowledge.org, etc. etc. etc - all with varying degrees of influence, completeness, and scope. It really seems like a big duplication of effort.

      Whether you like them or not, we could learn a lot from the National Rifle Association. The NRA has their "protecting our freedoms" issues, and they've managed to unite a group of fairly individualist people for a common goal. Legislators do not defy the NRA lightly in Congress, while they routinely screw over the tech industry. We need a solid lobby like the NRA to watch over our interests in Washington.

    4. Re:Is it time for the Geek community to target... by lunenburg · · Score: 2

      While I'd tend to agree with you, I still think it's important to get the message out to people in South Carolina that Sen. Hollings is selling their VCRs out to Big Hollywood, a sellout that will bring no benefit to South Carolina. In this day of Enron, Worldcom, etc., Hollings is trying to legislate profits for multibilliondollar companies in California. At the very least, Hollings' opponent in '04 might be able to use that as ammunition against him.

    5. Re:Is it time for the Geek community to target... by thales · · Score: 2
      "Unfortunately, the SC GOP hasn't realized that it isn't too smart to antagonize the 1/3 of the voters in SC who happen to be a different color than they are."

      That third is unlikely to vote for any GOP canidate no matter what his stance is. The big problem is the "God Squad" dominates the GOP nomination process and they would rather lose the election with a "true beleaver" than win with a more modarate canidate.

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    6. Re:Is it time for the Geek community to target... by Reziac · · Score: 2

      Well, here's a thought: how about someone with the time and motivation approaching the NRA and asking them for political advice. After all, we're in the same boat -- someone with an agenda is blaming the TOOL for committing the CRIME, and using that as an excuse to curtail our personal freedoms (and perhaps our future livelihoods as well). Yeah, geek stuff is not gun stuff, but the parallel is plain, and a bad precedent for one is a bad precedent for the other. So it might behoove us to join forces.

      Tho the NRA doesn't have the problem of having so many manufacturers crawling into bed with the enemy, like we're seeing with computer hardware and software. It strikes me that nothing will do much good unless the big mfgrs start seeing these **AA-inspired restrictions as a threat to their corporate future, and band together to resist being locked into encumbered devices.

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    7. Re:Is it time for the Geek community to target... by The_Shadows · · Score: 2

      I've noticed. When your state continually elects Strom Thurmond, you know there's probelms with the state's mentality. Senators and Reps really do need term # limits.

      On the other side of the coin, in Indiana we have Senators (D)Bayh and (R)Lugar. Lugar is a solid guy. I (D-IN) voted for him because in the past he's stood up for issues that his party usually goes against. And Bayh is one of the best loved governors in our state history.

    8. Re:Is it time for the Geek community to target... by Detritus · · Score: 2
      Tho the NRA doesn't have the problem of having so many manufacturers crawling into bed with the enemy, like we're seeing with computer hardware and software.

      Gun manufacturers have undercut the second amendment when they thought it was in their interest. Many of them supported restrictions on the importation of foreign firearms. Smith & Wesson pissed off a lot of gun owners by caving in to the Clinton administration.

      Contrary to popular opinion in anti-gun circles, the manufacturers do not have much influence in the NRA.

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    9. Re:Is it time for the Geek community to target... by jafac · · Score: 2

      We have the same problem in California.

      Thing is, I live in a VERY conservative region in California, and nobody here feels like voting is worth a damn, because national elections are usually decided before we get up in the morning on election day, and in California issues, Dems always win.

      Of course, if a republican were to ever win anything out here, we'd be up to our armpits in oil wells, so you can see why there's be a few lefties out here. Hell, with Bush "in da house", we're probably already doomed on the oil well front. He's using federal muscle to overturn a ban on central coast drilling. Oh well, it was bound to happen sooner or later. When oil is $60-$100 a barrel, you can bet they'll do anything to squeeze any drop out of the ground wherever it is. NIMBY-ism be damned.

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  51. Re:You actually ELECT these people? by st0rmshad0w · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Which is why people need to inform them of issues that should matter to them."

    Why should this matter to them? Seriously. Have you ever tried to talk to average people about this stuff? I come from a fairly typical blue-collar community. I've tried explaining these types of things, using some of the most easy to comprehend methods around. The great majority still either do not get it or could care less. They just want tax breaks, decent schools and other public services, and health care. Recording TV shows is going to be about last on their list.

    "Why do candidates always talk about a few key issues when they're up for office?"

    Because thats what matters to voters, no matter how it starts, opinion poll research will still say campaign finance, abortion, etc. That's what matters to everyday Americans. And I can just imagine the first average person raising a ruckus about recording TV shows. His neighbors would quickly label him an idiot, since there are so many other, more compelling things to be concerned with, like better schools and health care.

    This is _not_ a sexy issue. It will not be a big attention grabber. The average voter is not going to be the one fighting this, it will be the companies who stand to lose if it happens. VCR makers, TIVO, etc. Joe Sixpack just wants the potholes on his street fixed, a safe school for little Jimmy, and health care thats good enough so he can afford it if he takes ill. Frankly I can't blame him.

    What matters to you and I is generally no one elses concern.

  52. Re:Exactly by NumberSyx · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Correct. For instance, it would be totally immoral for a person to committ suicide (an act expressly forbidden in the Bible and illegal in most states) to prevent a terrorist act from killing thousands. We'll just have to live with the worse outcome.

    This is not suicide, it is heroic sacrifice of ones life to save others, there is a difference.

    It would also be wrong to go back and in time to 1937 and shoot Hitler, before he gassed millions of innocent people because savings uncountable lives of children just isn't justified by taking away fewer than 10 lives of a raving lunatic.

    Time travel "What If" type scenarios are silly. You have two problems, first, at that time in his life, he had not commited any of those crimes and you would be in effect killing an innocent man. Second, there is no way to insure by removing him things wouldn't be worse, another, dictator could rise up, put Germany on the H-Bomb fast track and use it first against Russia, winning the war. Perhaps because some economic plan was never implemented, Germany and possibly Europe could have remained in a depression for much longer, causing millions to die of starvation and or disease. Or WWII may happened anyway, changing virtually nothing.

    There are millions of possibilties and not one of them means anything.

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  53. Out of the frying pan, into the fire by Karl+Cocknozzle · · Score: 3, Insightful
    After all, how many people voted for any of the members of the FCC?
    All hope may not be lost, but we're damn close. Our last hope is the official FCC public comment period when they propose making new rules.

    Yes, it would've been more democratic to debate it and vote in the congress on something of this nature, but we have two choices:

    1) Sit around crying and watch it happen.
    or
    2) Accept the opportunity to defend the consumer and take advantage of the comment period!

    I don't know about you, but option two sounds better than grabbing the kleenex and crying to till I puke, thanks.

    You can bet that TiVo and ReplayTV will write comments, but the general public has to care or this will be a cakewalk for the bad guys. If you're wealthy, consider hiring a DC communications lawyer to write your stuff for you. They're expensive, but you're rich, what do you care. Or of course, donate to EFF.

    Don't forget that the FCC is mandated to regulate broadcasting "in the public interest." You're the public, tell them what your interest is.

    Once the FCC issues a Notice of Proposed Rule Making (NPRM) you should be able to submit comments online at fcc.gov. Or you could always print a hard copy, sign it in ink, and send certified mail to the address on the site. (Which would be much better.)
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  54. Tried and failed solution by Kjella · · Score: 2

    Sorry, I like sitting down and just get fed some story at times. Just have a beer and don't really work my brain much, at least not more than getting into the series/movie, particularly some sci-fi or cartoon stuff (Farscape, ST: Voyager, Futurama, Simpsons lately). There's too much and too little. Having no TV is too little. If you can do without, fine. I've been without one for 5 months, and it's been more than enough. Books and music and "Real Life(tm)" is fun enough, but judicious use of TV is a good thing, not a bad one.

    Kjella

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  55. Learning from the NRA by dpilot · · Score: 2

    I agree with you 100%, and have long felt that the NRA is the right example. More appropriate than many might thing, even. After all, crypto is a big geek issue, so we are very much into, "The right to bear arms." But getting too close to the NRA might make for strange bedfellows. (except for ESR, of course)

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    1. Re:Learning from the NRA by lunenburg · · Score: 2

      The big thing with the NRA is that they're generally recognized as THE lobby on gun control issues. From what I can tell, the tech community (being those of us involved in it, not technology corporations) has no organized presence in DC, aside from several fledling groups that haven't really gotten off the ground yet.

      I think that part of that might be the newness of the issues (the NRA is over 100 years old, so they've had plenty of time to build clout), but a lot of it seems to relate to the tech community as a whole's propensity toward splitting into lots of ultra-pure, ultra-focused camps due to disagreements (vi vs. emacs, Debian vs. Red Hat vs. Mandrake, Gnome vs. KDE, Free Software vs. Open Source). As long as we concentrate more on infighting than on the big picture, our opinions will be disregarded in favor of big-money corporate lobbies.

      We certainly have no need to join up with the NRA in any sort of organizational sense, but we could learn a ton from the way they've been able to push and protect their issues from legislators who are out to get them.

    2. Re:Learning from the NRA by forkboy · · Score: 2

      The problem with a united geek front is that some of the tech companies are just as bad as the MPAA, RIAA, and legislators.

      Gun companies don't alienate their users by pushing end user license agreements or suing their customers when they take their guns apart. They just sell you a product and contribute to an organization that helps make sure that you can legally own your product. Firearms manufacturers contribute quite a bit to the NRA and though gun nuts have varying opinions on WHICH gun manufacturers they prefer, they can all see a common goal in the 2nd amendment that benefits everyone.

      I don't see fractionalization of the geeks in the sense of vi vs. emacs, Gnome vs. KDE kind of stuff being a problem....those people can all agree on the main central issues...that being "don't legislate how we use our fucking computers." It's the tech companies like Microsoft that want complete control over the market and end users that make unifying a difficult proposition. Let's face it, corporations are heard by legislators a lot more than individuals, and without corporate sponsorship and cooperation, no sort of unified tech organization is going to get anywhere.

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    3. Re:Learning from the NRA by fishbowl · · Score: 2

      Certain modifications to various guns are forbidden by law, so, in fact there are similar restrictions, in a sense.

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    4. Re:Learning from the NRA by forkboy · · Score: 2

      But those are Federal enforcements, it is not the company who made the gun telling you not to make the modifications.

      The analogy was drawing a parallel to the DMCA's restriction on reverse engineering or disassmebly of intellectual property. Federal laws are another story entirely as they pretty much apply to any industry or product in some way.

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  56. Re:Our junior senator by Melantha_Bacchae · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ShavenYak writes:

    > Not only is he failing his constituents, he's
    > endangering the freedoms of the entire country.

    The entire Senate is not qualified to make any laws forbidding fair use, as the following illustrates:

    http://techupdate.zdnet.com/techupdate/stories/m ai n/0,14179,2874687,00.html

    >>> Until last week, the staff of the United
    >>> States Senate was demonstrating that the
    >>> people who create our legislation don't think
    >>> they have to obey it themselves. The Senate,
    >>> which is now crafting legislation that would
    >>> further restrict the illegal sharing of
    >>> copyrighted works over networks, was
    >>> apparently a hotbed of illegal file sharing
    >>> and other peer-to-peer (P2P) networking
    >>> activity.

    Hm, does the word "hypocrite" ring a bell?

    > I guess he's too senile to remember the oath he
    > took to uphold the Constitution?

    I don't know if Hollings took part personally in the mass unconstitutional screaming fest, but a couple weeks ago a good sized chunk of Congress ran outside, said the pledge of allegiance to the flag, screaming the then unconstitutional "under God" part. Regardless of the merits of the judge's controversial decision, I would think doing something that was legally at that moment found to be unconstitional would break their oaths.

    Even if their oaths are intact, no one can argue their immaturity. ;)

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  57. Re:You actually ELECT these people? by Trekologer · · Score: 2

    This is _not_ a sexy issue. It will not be a big attention grabber. The average voter is not going to be the one fighting this, it will be the companies who stand to lose if it happens. VCR makers, TIVO, etc. Joe Sixpack just wants the potholes on his street fixed, a safe school for little Jimmy, and health care thats good enough so he can afford it if he takes ill. Frankly I can't blame him.

    You can use that to ge the attention of the average citizen. Write into a local newspaper about how "The government is wasting our tax money to line the pockets of Hollywood while allowing our schools deteriorate" or "Congress warms up to Big Business, Elderly left out in the cold".

    This is war and we need to spread our own propaganda and FUD. Hollywood constantly lies, cheats, and steals from the American people to get ahead. But truth is on our side. Its time we used it.

  58. No pie-throwing, please! by No+Such+Agency · · Score: 2

    Pie-ing government and business leaders has been a popular form of semi-non-violent (though it's technically assault) protest for a while, it's recently been done to Bill Gates as well as Prime Minister Jean Chretien of Canada (among others). However, in the current climate it's likely to get you shot. After all that pie could be a terrorist weapon of some sort!

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  59. Revolution by renehollan · · Score: 2
    Well, when the political and government machine pisses enough people off, they revolt. We just haven't got there yet.

    Right now, the little freedoms are being taken away, like TV recordings. They are not as important as other major issues and fall by the wayside easily.

    One can imagine a world where you're jailed because you share the same national heritage with some evil person (heck, what if your surname just happens to be the same as a certain anti-American?). What if you're slaughtered because of your religion? Or because of your beliefs about personal consumption of certain substances? Or because you know how to use a computer too well?

    Some of these attrocities have taken place in the past, some in the present, and some might very well take place in the future. There's an unnerving trend here: so-called "law" degenerates to the point of arresting and killing people because of what they "might" do, presumably because of something they have in common with the perpetrator of some crime.

    If history is any guide, things will get worse before they get better.

    Ironically, the 9/11/2001 attacks against the U.S. suggest just how vulnerable the nation, and by extention, it's government is. They suggest that when the time for revolution comes, a wide-spread decentralized attack on key areas would have a good chance of success. No doubt, while the government seeks to control panic, it will be caught off-guard as the attacks continue: what will they do? Launch nukes against widespread targets on their own soil?

    OBL's strategic "mistake", was blowing his wad on one attack -- he was done for the night, as it were. What is most troubling, though, is that an act of war ("terrorism" is a weasel word applied to enemies not associated with a recognized nation) against the civilians of a democracy is perfectly logical: they freely elect their government with a process they all accept, so why not hold them responsible for it's actions? If you want to wage war on the government, wage war on those who put it in place.

    Yes, yes, what about children and other non-voters? Surely they aren't responsible? No, but there's this notion of "collateral damage" in war - unintended, but expected, none the less. It's one of the things that makes war hell -- easily forgotten in these times of sanitized, automated engagement. Funny, thing, though, the winner's "collateral damage" is the loser's "war crime".

    It is clear, then, that a revolution against a formidable enemy will likely involve initiation by a relatively small percentage of the population, taking a no-holds barred attitude toward "winning" (or, from their point of view, survival): you're either with us, or agin' us. We see this in acts of domestic "terrorism": people considered sociopaths harm civilians in an attack purportedly directed against government. I ask the following questions: (1) If such an attack were disproportionately effective in harming the ability of the government to infringe upon a right you believe in, and (2) supporting further such attacks would be easy, would you "go along", collateral damage be damned?

    History says "yes". And that is what the Second American Revolution is going to look like -- unlike crumbling Eastern European regimes that toppled over from the sheer will of the opressed, the U.S. government is neither weak or crumbling. Taking it down would involve some of the dirtiest and blodiest fighting in history. And home grown -- unlike WW I and WW II, it's unlikely that foreign intervention would be significant.

    That's a horrible scenario, isn't it? Sure, but it appears that violent revolution is the natural end result of any oppressive regime that's been handed too much power over the years. The government with the lesser mandate (and thus less centralized power) is the better government. Somehow, the potential price of a government strong enough to protect "us" from "them" doesn't seam worth it and is an illusion on it's face.

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    1. Re:Revolution by renehollan · · Score: 2
      "Unfortunately it's too late to change the system, and too early to just shoot the bastards." -- unknown

      Oh, how true that is.

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  60. Re:Our junior senator by bnenning · · Score: 2
    but a couple weeks ago a good sized chunk of Congress ran outside, said the pledge of allegiance to the flag, screaming the then unconstitutional "under God" part. Regardless of the merits of the judge's controversial decision, I would think doing something that was legally at that moment found to be unconstitional would break their oaths.

    Saying "under God" in the pledge is in no way unconstitutional. The only unconstitutional portion is public school employees (i.e. agents of government) *leading* children in the pledge. In a way, that makes their demonstration even sillier; they may have thought they were engaging in civil disobedience, but they weren't.

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  61. Mad Libs! by Rayonic · · Score: 3, Funny

    The absolute best solution to this kind of thing has been around for decades, works perfectly, doesn't cost a cent, and causes your day to suddenly seem a couple of hours longer:

    Sell your books.

    Try, just try, life without books. You'd be amazed how little you miss them, and how much other stuff you'll do instead. If you have a significant other, you'll have time to actually spend with that person, instead of sitting on your arse and not looking at each other. If you don't have an SO, you'll drastically increase your chances of finding one. If you're not looking, you'll at least have time to pursue other hobbies, like coding, or cooking, or bungee jumping, or whatever the heck else trips your trigger. Just try it. You may very well love it.

    We live in a capitalist society. If you don't like what the businesses are trying to do to you, then stop using their product. What the hell does federally-mandted illiteracy matter to you when you don't read books?

    1. Re:Mad Libs! by jafac · · Score: 2

      You laugh now, but just wait, books are next. They'll start with books on tape, and move to ebooks. . .

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  62. Why involve the FCC? by Fjord · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If the MPAA owns the copyright, then why don'tthey just tell the television stations that they can't air it without the bit set? Why push in FCC regulations when you can just require it anyway?

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    1. Re:Why involve the FCC? by Alsee · · Score: 2

      why don'tthey just tell the television stations that they can't air it without the bit set? Why push in FCC regulations when you can just require it anyway?

      Right, they can do that now. What they WANT is to make it illegal manufature, sell, or own a (cough cough) circumvention device.

      What is exactly is a "circumvention device"? It is a normal VCR-like device. Anything that doesn't cripple itself when it sees the broadcast flag is a circumvention device.

      This isn't about broadcast or communication standards. This is about outlawing software and hardware.

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  63. Re:Our junior senator by MrResistor · · Score: 2

    Actually, having the word "God" in the official pledge of allegience is unconstitutional; unless, of course, you can point out where the Constitution provides exceptions to Seperation of Church and State...

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  64. Sadly.. by CarrionBird · · Score: 2, Funny
    Hollings IS my rep....ugh.

    And let's not get started on the other guy....

    (Hey *I* voted against him!)
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  65. It's broadcast!!! by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 2

    What the effing difference does it make -- if it was broadcast for free viewing, what the holy heck difference does it make how many people see it or how they see it?!?

    1. Re:It's broadcast!!! by Znork · · Score: 2

      Oh, but you see, it's _not_ for 'free' viewing. It's for viewing with commercials, no fast-forward (or bathroom visits) allowed. If you record it you're likely one of those who want to skip commercials, and not watching commercials is THEFT (well, at least according to certain broadcasters).

      Watch out for the new DRM Shackle (tm) soon to be delivered with your HDTV. Insert foot, and stay locked in front of the TV until the show is over, or no go. Oh, and dont even try to read a book or turn the TV down during commercials; there _will_ be a quiz (with accompanying shocks delivered through the DRM Shackle (tm), if you get it wrong).

  66. All to familar by jsimon12 · · Score: 2

    The FCC is an executive agency. It should not be making policy, especially policy of this scope. Haven't you been paying attention to the disastrous results of FCC policy changes in the 1990s? Consolidation of radio into one or two companies. Creation of horizontal media empires. Extensive and undisclosed cross-branding. Death of HDTV.

    I live in Dallas, ALL of the major radio stations are owned by Clear Channel, and when they have a "major" advertiser their commercial gets run on ALL their stations at once (or damn near close), so channel flipping doesn't help. All the stations run a similar format, at the same times, and some actually play similar music. Personally I think this approach has totally destroyed radio listening in the Dallas area. The same thing will eventually happen to television if we let the FCC make policy. My personal solution which I recommend is don't watch TV, vote with your dollar, if stuff is crap don't listen to it or watch it.

  67. Re:You actually ELECT these people? by Peyna · · Score: 2

    Many people are part of an organization but don't necessarily support all its causes. I live in the US, but that doesn't mean I support every action the government take overseas. I may be a member of the republican party (i'm not a member of any party), but that doesn't mean I'm 100% with them all the way.

    The leaders of the parties just have to be careful who they piss off in the membership.

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  68. I've been targeted right out of the market. by spoonyfork · · Score: 2, Redundant

    (I'm not the original author of this brilliant rant...)

    I've been targeted right out of the market.

    I've had it. I can't take any more advertising. Television, radio, magazines, billboards, even the Internet for Christ's sake. Everywhere. Why do they keep targeting me? I never did anything to them. I don't even buy anything! They're wasting their time! Fast food makes me feel like shit, soft drinks make me dizzy, candy is disgusting, chips make my stomach hurt, I don't smoke, and any band that has ever been advertised anywhere sucks unequivocally. I eat tortillas and vegetables, I drink tap water. I ride my $40 bike for entertainment. I buy a new pair of Dickies at the army navy store every year and I get all my other clothes at Costco in 3-packs. My car works fine, I use my Internet connection for long distance, I've had the same boots for three years and re-sole them when they wear out. As far as booze goes, well, as long as it's wet...

    So why do they keep attacking me? Why are they filling every square inch of every available space in my life? Above urinals, on concert tickets, underneath the ice at hockey games, on blimps, in video games, as props in movies, plugs in rap songs, on shitty Web Sites (No, I will not visit your motherfucking sponsor. If you're not in it for the love, and you can't figure out any better way to pay for your site than by slapping some ugly, corrupted banner across the top of your pathetic work, then fucking close up shop, kill yourself, and leave the Web to non-polluters). They'd advertise on the backs of my eyelids if they could get away with it, and I can't hack it anymore. They win. I lose. They succeeded. I failed. Like Brian Wilson, I just wasn't built for these times. I fold. Here are all my cards. Keep the pot, keep my ante, keep the goddamn jacket on the back of my chair for all I care, I can get another at Costco. I'll be out in the parking lot getting drunk and yelling at cute girls because I can no longer stand the taste of tentacles. Marketing has poisoned everything worthwhile under the sun, so I'm giving it all up. Everything.

    But the way I figure it, there's no real loss. I've seen all of the episodes of the Simpsons 200 times each. Most of the good writing was done 100 years ago. I haven't listened to FM radio in years. I could play all my records beginning to end alphabetically and I'd be 76 years old when I got to the Zeni Geva. Online culture is a fucking yawn, only good for buying stuffed goats on Ebay and getting cracked copies of $1000 software. Movies always end up at the 99 cent video store across the street eventually, and you can fast forward through those commercials. My girlie's cute and the corner bar has Pabst on tap. What else matters?

    True, by shutting myself off to everything, I'm probably limiting my future potential as a 'community building' or 'bleeding edge' cog in someone's nightmarish vision of Internet profitability, but fuck, a simple read through my writing should've cured that anyway (Note to potential employers: The bidding starts at $120,000 a year with full dental).

    So I'm out. No more.

    I just feel bad for those of you I'm leaving behind. You'll be wearing your Slave Labor Nikes, sweating under a Third World Vest, listening to Everqueer or Fratboy Slim, your hair styled stupidly with gasoline and aborted pig placentas, trying to choke down a Double Meat Fuck Splattered Cow Testicles On The Slaughterhouse Floor Pus Coagulated Lactacious Secretion Yellow Dye #2 Deluxe. Man, will you be looking dumb. It makes me want to cry. You poor, oversugared demographic you. You're filling your apartments, your bodies, and your minds with useless junk. You stagger under your own weight, throwing money in random directions until you collapse and die, buried by a bunch of people who you failed to create meaningful human bonds with, who forget about you on the way home from the funeral.

    Maybe I'm just oversensitive, but I actually feel those fingers reaching out at me - cute little girl fingers, feeling at my face like a bind man, pulling at the loose threads all over my brain, trying to find a sensitive one, one that tweaks me. Desires to be successful, attractive to the opposite sex, spiritually satiated, or conversely, the fears of disease, dismemberment, of being outcast, of repressed homosexual desires. Herd mentality as dictated by herd mentality. A gas mask of soiled wool, worn in a steaming shower of chlorinated pond water. A lumbering culture created by profit motive, existing as window dressing to disguise the brutal cynicism of the architects, the brassy checks and balances of accountants bleating commands to the flunky tastemakers on the production line. The subversion of anything subverting. The conversion of something dangerous into something profitable. The gutting of the lion and the championing of the taxidermist. And the puffy vests, my god, the puffy vests....

    I give it one more shot.

    I hit that little "on" button, and immediately this little red dot appears on my forehead. I feel the barrel rising on the other side of the glass as some powersuited executive attempts to get me in his sights. His scope is the best money can buy, but my nausea and skittishness mark me as difficult prey. I make a sprawling leap over a pile of books, spilling a glass of wine and sending my cats scattering. The TV takes a shot at me. It misses, but after the smoke clears, there's a shimmering can of Pepsi on the coffee table, seductively held by a well manicured (but severed) hand. Then the Taco Bell dog is outside, scratching at my window, singing "That's Amore", the secret code that alerts Col. Sanders and Ronald McDonald to get their tumor inducing grease guns at the ready. "We have a resistor! Alert Cap'n Crunch and Mrs. Butterworth. Tell Hogan to pull that Subaru around!" And then, as the entire posse of 1-800-COLLECT goons attempt to joke their way through the front door, a helmeted uberyouth does a backflip on rollerblades against the window, almost crushing the Taco dog, thankfully getting tangled in the iron jungle of security bars designed for such a moment. The severed Pepsi hand launches itself across the room onto the stereo, turns it to HOTROCK 99.5 FM and starts dancing suggestively on the turntable. Warm, gooey songs ooze from the speakers, blurring the lines between commercial and product, product and art. The walls are running with honey, blood, and Gatorade. Limp Bizkit tries to sign me up for the Rap Metal MasterCard, but is outvolumed by a chorus of creepy NY Gap models, dead eyed and Children of the Damned style, singing nostalgic 80s songs with cool detachment, trying to sell me vests. Close inspection reveals UPC codes on the backs of their beautiful necks and a legion of bulimic girls behind them, mascara mixing with puke on ten thousand toilet bowls. Budweiser frogs are crawling out of the toilet bowls. A one-eyed, mutilated Asian girl holds a pair of new Levi's against the window with a thin, purple arm and starts screeching "It's a Small World After All" at the top of her lungs. Magic, The Old Navy dog, is sniffing butts with the Taco Bell dog, who had since bit the Asian girl on the leg and now yelling something about Gordidas. A waifish beauty suddenly appears on my bed, vying for my attention, trying to talk me into a new car, her hand slowly unbuttoning her blouse, batting her doe-ishly brown eyes, "C'mon Mark. It's only a test drive. No one ever has to know."

    Realizing my one escape, I yank my battered wallet out of my back pocket and pull out a twenty dollar bill. The entire scene freezes. All eyes are transfixed to the damp, smelly piece of paper. Andrew Jackson snickers and you can almost smell the cannibalized Indian on his breath. A miraculous cross breeze flows through my apartment, and I let the money go. It catches an upward draft, a hot air thermal, and is gone out the window.

    And then, something even stranger happens. The spokespeople, animals, models, body parts, and corporate whores all disappear in a anti-climactic 'puff' of yellow smoke, leaving a slight smell of perfumed intestine twisting through the air. My twenty freezes in mid flight about thirty feet above the ground. A helicopter drops out of the sky, and lowers a rope down to the cash. A man in a business suit slides down the rope, commando style, and captures the money in his mouth, gives a contemptuous snort, mumbling something like "sucker" under his breath. And then the helicopter is gone, vanishing somewhere behind the radio towers spiking the top of Queen Anne Hill. Everything is quiet again.

    I didn't just turn that TV off. I unplugged the motherfucker.

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  69. go read a book by longduckdong · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If they don't want me to record and watch their shows and advertising, I will be happy to just go read a book - or a lot of them and give up on TV completely. I still have DVD movies to watch. So I guess I can eventually cancel my very expensive digital cable subscription and get back into reading - something everyone should do more of - and I mean the paper kind of book, not e-books.

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  70. Re:You actually ELECT these people? by SirGeek · · Score: 2
    How does this work for Sony Pictures? They're part of the MPAA but they're also part of a corporation that sells millions of VCRs.

    Easy.. they stop making the VCR's. Think about, you've got Circuit City no longer going to be selling VCR's.. And others are prolly going to follow.

  71. Re:You actually ELECT these people? by eldurbarn · · Score: 2

    No. We don't elect these people.

    "We" (or, more accurately, the votes that we cast) simply exercise our rights according to what we understand of the situation... and (for the most part) our understanding comes from the ad time and publicity that is bought by the candidates during an election. (At least, this is what the candidates seem to believe.) This ad time and those messages are bought using money that comes from campaign contributions... often from large corporations.

    In effect, the corporation buys the votes, and the candidate gets elected. His belief that he cannot get elected without the financial support of some or another corporation means that, in effect, he is representing the corporation that will buy him the next election.

    Isn't this obvious?

    Is the only fix to change how candidates pay for election expenses?

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  72. Re:You actually ELECT these people? by SirGeek · · Score: 2
    When it costs millions to run for a Senatorial position, the people who put you in power ARE the MPAA/RIAA/(insert Large business intrest here)
    Senators who actually make it to the ballot usually take up very neutral positions as far as their constituencies go, and then they change their tune as soon as they are elected. Sadly money speaks louder than voters

    We need to make it so that No Vote = No $$$. This would restore the power in the government to the people. We need to get the politicians to remember that they work for US, not Hollywood, MPAA, RIAA, or big business.

  73. Re:My question number one! by StevenMaurer · · Score: 2

    Gun's don't kill people - guns make it very very easy to kill people, so that people who otherwise wouldn't have killed do so. Often by accident.

    DVR's don't commit piracy - neither do the people who use them. You have the right to record anything you are sent. PERIOD.

    You claim there's some sort of similarity between the two situations. There isn't.

  74. Something tells me... by MrResistor · · Score: 2

    ...that my old silver top-loader is going to care about this just as much as it cares about macrovision: not at all.

    Now that I think about it, my camcorder probably won't care either...

    These Chicken Littles need to quit wasting their time. The VCR didn't kill them off, the digital equivalent isn't going to either, and for the same reason: most people are not theives. They just want a decent value for the price they pay, and if you're unwilling to provide that, they won't buiy your product.

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  75. Re:Won't work ... by Nogami_Saeko · · Score: 2

    Well, old (and I do stress the OLD) Fritz isn't going to be around forever... Hopefully when he moves on he'll be replaced by someone younger and more in-tune with reality.

    I think the Boston Strangler's days are long since over... Perhaps it's time he realized it.

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  76. This might be a good thing by lelitsch · · Score: 2

    Up to now, the MPAA has mostly affected geeks, students, or other politically not very relevant groups, and to a large part of the electorate, somewhat mistrusted group. Especially republicans know that they (a) don't vote for them and (b) don't donate.

    But if Joe Sixpack can't tape the Superbowl on his TiVo, the phone lines on Capitol Hill will melt.

  77. Yeah, not worth it anymore... by tswinzig · · Score: 2

    West Wing
    Sopranos
    Six Feet Under
    Oz
    Sex in the City
    Live Sports

    Just because "Bachelorettes in Alaska Go Bad 3" is on [Fox] doesn't mean we actually have to watch it, nor that it represents the quality TV shows that are available.

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  78. Re:You actually ELECT these people? by Kintanon · · Score: 2

    Is the only fix to change how candidates pay for election expenses?

    My proposal for this is that each state has an Election Fund, anyone can donate to the election fund, but you don't choose where the money donated goes. Candidates are welcome to donate their own personal finances to the election fund, but it will also get spread out to their competitors.
    Every candidate who is running gets the same amount of money out of the election fund. This is ALL of the money they can spend on their election. They have oversight from an Election committee that makes sure they submit an itemized list of their purchasing expenses which is available for review. 3rd parties are not allowed to advertise on broadcast media for any candidate, print media is OK as long as it is clearly marked that the third party is paying for it. Not in tiny tiny text at the bottom of the last page, but in large text across the top of the front.

    This way everyone gets an even shot.
    Do the same thing for Federal Elections.

    Kintanon

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  79. Sad, but false by tswinzig · · Score: 2

    Try this experiment (at work :)

    1. Take a $100 bill.
    2. Make a copy of it on your fancy color copier at work.
    3. Notice it doesn't come out correctly (or if it does look OK, look for small 'tracing' dots).

    And if you really want to have some fun, call a copier repairman, and see how long it takes for the secret service to arrive -- no, really.

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  80. Re:Our junior senator by ShavenYak · · Score: 2

    Well, the particular section of US Code which states that the "under God" version of the pledge is the official version could be considered unconstitutional, because "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion". However, this does not make that version of the pledge illegal or unconstitutional to recite, so the Congresscritters were not in any way violating the Constitution by saying it. They were, as the previous poster pointed out, acting very immature, but that's par for the course in D.C.

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  81. Life without TV by Animats · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I've never owned a TV. I have a VHS player and a monitor, but nothing that can receive. I rent tapes, but haven't seen much broadcast TV in many years. It just doesn't do anything for me. Too many commercials. Occasionally I watch TV when in hotels, but get bored after an hour or so and go out.

    A friend gave me a Radio Shack 1" TV, which I last used on September 11, 2001. It's in a drawer with the flashlights, extra batteries, and other emergency supplies.

  82. Your elected official doesn't read Slashdot! by Proudrooster · · Score: 3, Informative

    I would like to congratulate all of you who write eloquent replies on Slashdot, however you need to write letters to your "elected officials".

    Myself, everytime I read an article on Slashdot which makes my blood boil and pertains to privacy, civil liberties, anti-consumer electronic devices, and/or bad technology legislation, I contact my legislators via email, fax, or snail mail.

    Your elected official needs and wants to hear from you on the issues! If they get a mere 10 letters, faxes, or emails on a topic it raises a "red" flag and forces them to look at the issue before unknowing upsetting their constituency.

    I urge you to contact these people and let them know what you think on a weekly basis. America is still "Government by the people, for the People."

    While you are at it, register to vote!

    Lastly, we always hear talk about buying legislation in the form of campaign contributions. Believe it or not, it doesn't cost all that much to buy legislation and once we all get in the habit of contacting our legislative officials and voting, we can donate money to a PAC, donate to campaigns and hire lobbyists. Then the Slashdotter will truly be running with the big dogs, but political involvement has to begin small.

    Here are some helpful websites to guide you:

    U.S. House of Representatives U.S. Senate Congressional News

    I fear if we do not act and unite soon, that we will lose control of the Internet and consumer electronics in the name of Patriotism and anti-piracy.

  83. pay per view and such by Casca · · Score: 2

    There are so many issues involved in this industry, and the other similar entertainment industries, it is almost overwhelming. No single plan or argument is correct, or can fix the problems that exist and are coming.

    One of the things that will have a very dramatic effect is that it will only get cheaper and easier for individuals to produce movies and music. The recording media is getting cheaper by the minute (hard drive space and so on), the recording devices are getting cheaper (cameras and computers), and the methods of distribution are radically changing. Twenty years ago, it was pretty much impossible for a single person with limited resources to get a movie or video out to more than a few hundred people at best. Now, anyone with the talent can get it out to potentially millions of people (if it is interesting enough). Marketing is dirt cheap, production is dirt cheap, and distribution is nearing dirt cheap. MPAA is going to lose a lot, and they are going to fight it like there is no tomorrow.

    I think what we will have in the near future will be commercial free subscription channels, and commercial free subscription shows. You might get some product placement, but the viewer has the ultimate power over what they watch. What you will end up with is a distribution method that brokers getting independant shows to the viewer, essentially, like a for profit PBS.

    Thats my opinion, I could be wrong.

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  84. Re:You actually ELECT these people? by Kintanon · · Score: 2

    Hehe, Yeah, I should have specified that. I mean third parties as in, people not running for office. So the Democrats and Republicans couldn't run big multimillion dollar TV ad campaigns for their candidate any more than the NRA could. Only the individual candidate can pay for TV spots and only with the money they receive from the election fund.

    Kintanon

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  85. been done before by EZmagz · · Score: 2, Insightful
    This is a brilliant piece of writing, and it's definitely made its way onto /. before (the first time I remember being when /. announced going to a subscription service). It's written by a guy named Mark Driver, and his website is full of similar-themed essays at blindwino.com. Granted, this is probably his best piece, but Driver has a pessimestic anti-establishment point of view that's very refreshing compared to the shit that your mom reads in Newsweek. The first time I read this piece, I went to the website and read every other piece on there...it took an entire day!

    There is a point to be learned here: passive observation is useless in regards to shit like this. You have to take ACTION! You have to risk sounding like a religious zealot and "preach" to people about what's going on. Why the DMCA is bad. How the MPAA is screwing over music as they know it (as if it's not bad enough already). And so on. Not buying a CD may make a very slight impact on the MPAA, but take the time to explain to people why you're doing so. That way, hopefully, you can instill the idea and reasoning in someone else's head too. Numbers matter here, whether it's how much $$$ you have to spend to lobby in congress, or how many friends you can get to let the FCC know that this idea is rediculous.

    Make your voice be heard.

    I unplugged my t.v...did you?

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    1. Re:been done before by Chris+Johnson · · Score: 2

      Ironically, he seems to have a Flash-only site...

  86. To be honest, I don't care. by interstellar_donkey · · Score: 2

    And for good reason.

    Namely, I never record television programs anymore. If I don't have time to watch them in the first place, it's doubtful I'll get around to watching it later. I tried for a while, and ended up with a collection of tapes I never looked at. Combine this with the fact that the quality of broadcast (or commerical) television continues to go down, and I just sort of shrug.

    Somehow, I can see good comming out of this. If commerical television succeeds in upsetting its customer base more and more, I have a feeling consumers will tend to move towards commerical free subscription channels and services. There are great models already in place for this.

    1. Pay-per view. For films, this is a great feature. Most services for a one time fee allow you to view a movie as many times and whenever you want in a particular time frame.

    2. The 'HBO' model. HBO continues to produce their own content, and as a general rule it's much better then its counterpart on commerical TV. Using digital cable, they can broadcast 10+ channels at the same time (for basically the same fee to the end user). More often then not, if you miss a favorate program, it will be on a dozen more times in the following week.

    I wish more commerical stations would take that sort of view, and move towards a subscription service. I can think as an example the TNN channel, which I find myself watching more and more (some neet movies and a ton of star trek re-runs). Would I pay $5 a month for the same content commerical free and unedited despite the fact that its mainly re-runs? Absolutly

    Would I pay $5 a month to see the golf channel without commericals? No. I don't need 300 channels of commerical television because 90% of it I won't watch. Would I fight for the right to record the content on those commerical stations? Nope.

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  87. Re:Maybe I'm the only one... by interstellar_donkey · · Score: 2

    The difference is the distribution channels in each media. Any guy off the street can put up a web page, and most of the time, yeah, it will be crap. But to get your program on television requires a great deal of funding and industry connections.

    The advertising model found on most stations prevents innovation at most points, because it evalulates a program based on mass appeal to target demographics instead of basic quality.

    The assumption that which programs are to be aired are only done so because people will like them is false, simply because the industry executives can't seem to figure out what people will like and what they won't. Instead, they tend to fall back on variations of a common formula which can yeild an acceptable level of ratings.

    Television in and of itself is not a flawed media, but the practice and procedures of the distribution of the media is. The Internet doesn't have this fault because as a general rule there is no central corporate control over the distribution system. Innovation typically is discovered and spread by word of mouth far more often then in telivision, despite all the crap and noise.

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  88. ONLY $250/yr!! by RandomCoil · · Score: 2
    From the MSNBC article:
    That's why Jamie Kellner, chairman of Turner Broadcasting System, told the Television Critics Association this month that DVR users should pay an extra $250 a year for ad-free TV. "Don't think for a moment that there's a free lunch involved in this," he said.
    $250/yr is all that those ads are worth? WOW! Who do I send a check to? Since this is the TBS chair, I assume that the he's figuring the $250 be sufficient to cover all of my extended-basic cable channels. West Wing will be 45 minutes with no interruptions -- no home loan / precious metal ads on CNN in the morning. Hour long MTV shows will be a mere 20 minutes! Best of all, I won't wear out the FF button on my Tivo remote.

    Now where does this check go and how do I receive the ad-free video stream?
  89. WHERE IS SENATOR SLASHDOT? by MoneyT · · Score: 2

    Where is our senator in all of this? Why is it that all the PVR, VCR, DVD/CD-R(W) manufacturers and everyone else from HD makers to paper and pen manufacturers can't all get together and buy their own senator. Hell for that matter, why doesn't slashdot buy a senator. We need someone to start standing up for us. Someone who will spread our FUD. We need a lobyist group.

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  90. Commercial Flag by vanyel · · Score: 2
    Jamie Kellner, chairman of Turner Broadcasting System, told the Television Critics Association this month that DVR users should pay an extra $250 a year for ad-free TV.

    If they would put in a "commercial flag" so my Tivo could accurately skip the commercials completely automatically and seamlessly so I truly got "ad-free TV", I would willingly pay $250/year for it. But it would have to be on all channels...

  91. It's worsr than that... by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 2

    The DRM shackle (tm) will be foisted upon all of us, because as you know, analog TV broadcasts will be illegal come 2006 or so. Everyone is going to have to buy the George Orwell/Hillary Rosen/Jack Valenti Corporate Media Theft Protector (tm, pat. pending), even for your old 1957 KUBA Komet, complete with shock collars, pupil trackers and catheter for preventing you from missing commercials due to "nature's call".

    The deluxe model dispenses beer, snack foos, antacid and feminine hygiene products.

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  92. Re:As Marx said by Archfeld · · Score: 2

    err is the US the ONLY example of capitalism...no, how about the rest of industrial nations ? ALL practice capitalism is some form or another, as to your point, IT IS valid, confidence in the system is lower than it has been since the crash in the 20's, but even then people still believed the government was there to help them. Today I fully believe that the governments SOLE purpose is to make a $$ for its' coprporate handler, and the overall good of the people and the state is totally lost in the for profit rush.

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  93. Sure we can trust the Big Corporations . . . by Badgerman · · Score: 2

    Just a thought . . .

    Right now America's mistrust of corporations and those that run them is quite high.

    Maybe this is a new weapon in our arsenal against the MPAA and their ilk.

    People are now aware that some CEOs and their cronies used their companies for personal enrichment while shafting everyone else. They used others for their own personal enrichment.

    The MPAA is trying to use lobbying and pressure to expand their control and wring more money out of us - previous laws and policies and basic decency be damned.

    In both cases it's "we're rich, forget you and what happens to you."

    Perhaps this may be a useful way to help Joe Public understand the issues.

    Just a thought.

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  94. This really pisses me off! by Eric+Damron · · Score: 2

    Some of these bills are the most outrageous that I've ever seen:

    "Berman has not introduced his bill yet, but his description says that it will immunize copyright holders from civil and criminal liability who use technological methods such as hacking to "prevent the unauthorized distribution of their copyrighted works via P2P networks."

    So, the bill would allow copyright holders to hack into my PC if they feel I have taken their intellectual property. If they do and they don't find anything will I have legal recourse? If not can I hack into Hollywood's computers and poke around? I mean I think maybe they have some of my intellectual property and isn't turn about fair play?

    This is truly outrageous. We are suppose to be protected from search and seizure from the government but now this stupid bill would allow Corporations a right of trespass! What's next? Maybe allow Microsoft to break into my home, hold me at gun point and rifle thought my software looking for copies of software that I didn't keep proof of purchase?

    Maybe next they can introduce a bill that will allow corporations to punish violators without due process? They find intellectual property without proof of purchase and the corporation can take your equipment maybe?

    You know, even if they hack into your computer and find MP3s it doesn't prove that you stole them. We DO have fair use rights and if we own a CD it is perfectly legal to create MP3s and keep them on our PCs. I find it much easier to do that than keep all of my CDs at my desk.

    If you haven't figured it out by the tone of this message, these guys are really starting to piss me off!

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  95. Re:Our junior senator by Dirtside · · Score: 2

    Actually, the Pledge of Allegiance ruling won't take effect for several months, and even when it does, it will only be in effect in the 9th Circuit Court's jurisdiction -- namely, several western states.

    EXCEPT, they day after the ruling was announced, the judge who wrote the ruling basically put it on hold pending a review by the full 9th Circuit Court. So at this point, the ruling effectively does not exist and everyone in every state can legally go around saying "under God" in classrooms. Even if the full Court does approve the ruling, not until the Supreme Court of the United States has its say will anything apply to the entire country (if SCOTUS confirms the ruling, then it will be illegal for teachers to recite "under God" in classrooms, and if they deny the ruling, then it will still be legal -- unfortunately so).

    Tangentially... It pisses me off whenever I hear someone claim this country was founded on "Christian values". That is utter bullshit. The founding fathers were, almost without exception, Deists, not Christians -- they very specifically excluded religion from the government (haven't you fundies ever even HEARD of the First Amendment?) because they knew the kind of horrible atrocities that ended up getting perpetrated when government was in bed with religion, as had happened countless times in the European theocracies of their forefathers.

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  96. Re:Our junior senator by swillden · · Score: 2

    Actually, having the word "God" in the official pledge of allegience is unconstitutional

    I must have missed that part of the constitution.

    The only relevant section I can find is in the first amendment, where it says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;".

    Now, explain to me how that makes it illegal for congressmen to say the pledge? All I can see is that they're not allowed to make laws that either support or prohibit religion.

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  97. Imminant Domain by Quixadhal · · Score: 2

    Hey, MPAA, yeah YOU!

    You are illegally broadcasting waves of electromagnetic energy through my home and property without my express written permission or concent. These waves consist of digital and analogue encodings of endless hours of mind-altering programming and I demand that you cease and decist at once!

    Since the waveforms are passing through my property (and indeed, my own body!), I claim imminant domain rights to them. If you don't wish me to retain ownership of these intruders, you must prevent them from entering my property.

    PS: Next time I come over to your house (uninvited) with cheap beer and nachos, you MUST eat them cold (dipped in the beer), because that's how I brought them and you aren't allowed to use them the way you'd like to. You must also accept the road salt I sprinkle atop them as advertising, since I want you to. Oh, and you have to put them together yourself as well, since I can't be bothered with programming on demand.

    MPAA/RIAA, you guys need to grow up and get a life.

  98. Copyright laws=immoral greed? by Snaller · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It just feels wrong that these people getting payed over and over. Record a song, get some payment, and thats it. Why should they keep getting payed over and over when the song is being played again? Does the people who built my TV keep getting money when i used it? Or any other thing?
    Sick I tell you, lets vote to get the damn laws changed.

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    1. Re:Copyright laws=immoral greed? by thales · · Score: 2
      Oh I'm in favor of copyright reform, like returning to the original length of copyrights, 14 years automatic protection, with the posibility of an additional 14 years if the copyright is regestered, the law also needs to make it plain that copyrights only cover unauthorized distrubition. Once I purchase the copyrighted material I have full rights to transfer it to another media or format for my personal use. This would include getting rid of restrictions in EULAs that go beyond protections for any other copyrighted work.

      Copyright reform needs to be coupled with Patent reforms including a ban on any patent that isn't hardware related.

      However until the reforms happen, simply ignoring the current laws isn't going to help the cause for reforms, instead it's only going to make it harder to get the laws reformed, and is likely to lead to even harsher laws. The only excuse breaking laws like the present copyright laws would be for the purpose of creating a test case to take before the courts in an effort to overturn them.

      We can't make a credible plea that the rights associated with the public domain and fair use be respected if we show no willingness to respect the rights of copyright holders.

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  99. a solid lobby.... by Snaller · · Score: 2

    preferably well armed!

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  100. Valento was smarter 20 years ago by epeus · · Score: 2

    In the 1982 House Hearing on Home Recording of Copyrighted Works Jack Valenti said:
    I know of no technological device at this time that would bar taping in the home and if it did exist, it would only be a matter of days before the Japanese manufacturers would have an override piece of equipment on their machine and you would start from ground zero again.

    So why is he trying to force such a thing now?

  101. Re:Our junior senator by swillden · · Score: 2
    *You* pay attention. The event under discussion was the congressmen going outside to say the pledge.

    Yes, it is reasonable to argue that since congress has made a law saying children have to go to school, then those children should not be forced to verbally express a belief in God, otherwise there would be a law respecting religion.

    But that is *not* what was being discussed.

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  102. Did it. Not bad. by mkcmkc · · Score: 2
    I recently spent a couple of months without TV, for a reason unrelated to ideology. Here are a couple of things I noticed:
    • I had a lot more free time and I did in fact tend to get productive things done with it.
    • Most of the news content on TV can be had better and faster on the Internet.
    • TV does have a subtle addictive quality to it that's difficult to detect unless you quit.
    • It can be rather difficult to escape from TV, even if you try. There almost always seems to be one on, around the house and in many public places. This is particularly onerous in some airports.
    Although I'm watching again, occasionally, I do it even less now, and with the knowledge that it really is a nearly utter waste of my time (and therefore, my life).

    --Mike

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  103. Re:Exactly by matrix29 · · Score: 2

    Time travel "What If" type scenarios are silly. You have two problems, first, at that time in his life, he had not commited any of those crimes and you would be in effect killing an innocent man. Second, there is no way to insure by removing him things wouldn't be worse, another, dictator could rise up, put Germany on the H-Bomb fast track and use it first against Russia, winning the war. Perhaps because some economic plan was never implemented, Germany and possibly Europe could have remained in a depression for much longer, causing millions to die of starvation and or disease. Or WWII may happened anyway, changing virtually nothing.

    Okay, what if we go back in time, gouge out both of Hitler's eyes, ruin his voice, crush both of his hands, chop off both of his legs and then tattoo "I love sucking off dogs" (in German) on every square inch of his flesh, oh and chop off his balls so he could never reproduce?

    He'd still be ALIVE. Just not the poster child of Nazi-cult. Works for me.

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