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Slashback tonight is loaded with updates and addenda to previous stories on Bayesian spam-prevention, pop-up ad blocking, and celebratory picnics as well as an inquiry into the other side of visionary literature. Read on below for the details.

What's your idea of feel-good literature? A few weeks ago, an Ask Slashdot question was posed about the greatest dystopic novels, and quite a few people weighed in with their choices for visions of the post-nuclear, post-germ-warfare, post-natural disaster or otherwise blighted future.

Now reader itwerx wants the other side: "That "Dystopic novels?" Ask Slashdot was so darn depressing we need a counter balance! Let's hear what novels of utopia may not be widely known."

It's certainly widely known, but I'll start the bidding with Atlas Shrugged.

The best revenge is living well, and gluing spammers end-to-end. RealDhar writes "Hey, just thought I'd let folks know that, inspired by the recent article about Paul Graham's Bayesian spam filter work, I went and wrote one for qmail. Please check it out!"

What took so long? Pop-up ads are no fun. iVillage cut them out, AOL swears they're cutting back, and even Netscape 7 can be wrangled to block them. An anonymous reader writes "From the Associated Press (via Salon): EarthLink Inc. said Monday it plans to offer its subscribers software to block Internet pop-up advertisements as part of a wider campaign to set itself apart from competitors. The full story is here.."

Penguins and picnics go well together. ArtEnvironment writes "Besides today's 2nd California Linux Anniversary Picnic previously mentioned, there will also be PLUS, the Philadelphia Linux/Unix Symposium which is the 2nd annual East-Coast Linux anniversary picnic and more, including a bar night kicking off Friday the 23rd, a free computer/electronics swap meet and giveaway on Saturday the 24th, and of course the picnic on Sunday the 25th. Also included is one of the well-known PLUG GPG Keysigning parties. PLUS will be an annual grass-roots event, but it 'won't be big and professional like' ALS or LWCE. ;)"

I look forward to the final, triumphant mention of this :) Qbertino writes "The Blender Fund, established a month ago in order to buy the IP of the 3D Pakage Blender and, at last, GPL it, has accumulated 90K Euro (90K$) of the required 100K in less than 4 weeks. As it indicates on the Website, Ton Roosendahl, father of Blender, is preparing to release the sources which should happen within the next week or so. Time for a Blender icon on /."

334 comments

  1. Utopian novels by rknop · · Score: 3, Informative

    Version of what I call the "James P. Hogan Utopia" show up in a number of his novels. Among them are: Paths to Otherwhere, The Multiplex Man, Return to Tomorrow.

    -Rob

    1. Re:Utopian novels by Alkaiser · · Score: 1

      I always thought Ender's Game was kinda utopian...I mean that whole thing with Bean rising to power because of insightful things he had written on that book's version of the Internet...

      Now if that isn't some rose-colored fairy tale world, I don't know what is...that's even less likely than a Presidential candidate trying to actively campaign for the Slashdot vote.

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    2. Re:Utopian novels by 1010011010 · · Score: 4, Informative


      "The Number of the Beast," by Robert A. Heinlein

      (heh... dirty old man!)

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    3. Re:Utopian novels by xanadu-xtroot.com · · Score: 3, Funny

      "The Number of the Beast," by Robert A. Heinlein

      Yea, it's got a great a great soundtrack too.

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      I'm not a prophet or a stone-age man,
      I'm just a mortal with potential of a super man.
    4. Re:Utopian novels by rodgerd · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Any number of things by Heinlein. "Moon is a Harsh Mistress", "Stranger in a Strange Land", you name it.

      I'm surprised when one of his novels ends less than well.

    5. Re:Utopian Novels by eric6 · · Score: 3, Funny
      apocoplypse is where we are going, regardless of your opinion. I'd rather not read more and more lies about how "great" humanity could do it if worked together

      My, aren't you a peach. How silly of us to think that we could grow as humanity. I mean, modern life isn't any better, really, than Europe during the inquisition. Why should we even keep living.

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    6. Re:Utopian novels by rfitzge · · Score: 1

      Actually, Peter Wiggin rose to power because of insightful things he had written on the net.

    7. Re:Utopian Novels by JPriest · · Score: 1

      They first tried a utopian society but we rejected it.

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    8. Re:Utopian Novels by itwerx · · Score: 2

      I'd mod you as funny (I have mod points) but I already posted in this article! Damn...

    9. Re:Utopian novels by wizstan · · Score: 1

      of course the Iron Maiden stuff has nothing to do with the Heinlein Novel

    10. Re:Utopian Novels by HimalayanRoadblock · · Score: 1

      Let me see. White males over the age of forty controlling the world with their silly religions and politics. YES STILL THE SAME AS THEN. Why would you care though, you're probably in control :)

    11. Re:Utopian novels by bigsmelly · · Score: 1

      I can't believe anyone hasn't mentioned the Iain M Banks culture series........!

    12. Re:Utopian novels by jgrahn · · Score: 1

      Theodore Sturgeon, The Cosmic Rape and many of his shorter stories, for a non-political angle on Utopia.

    13. Re:Utopian novels by 1010011010 · · Score: 2

      I should also mention the Star Trek series of TV shows. They have a pretty positive view of technology and the future.

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  2. follow states like washington... by packeteer · · Score: 1

    ... with strict anti-spam laws. Here we dcan sue spammers for a good amount of money. Some people win literally thousnads of dollars IF they can catch em but i know the geeks on slashdot can figure some way to find em.

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    1. Re:follow states like washington... by I+Love+this+Company! · · Score: 1

      What happens if the spammer doesn't show up in court? I'd guess that most do not bother because it's not likely that they'd win. Do you still get money, or is the case just thrown out?

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    2. Re:follow states like washington... by DavidTC · · Score: 2, Informative
      You get a default judgement, aka, you automatically win.

      Then you turn it over to a collection agency. When they manage to collect you get like 50% of it or something, and if they can't track down the guy or he has no assets, it doesn't cost you anything.

      Or you can try to track them down yourself and put a lien on their property, but that's a lot of work.

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    3. Re:follow states like washington... by global_diffusion · · Score: 2

      Actually, Washington has a rather lame law. I was going to go after a spammer in Iowa that was spoofing my domain name, but then I found out that Washington State limits you to $500 dollars as an individual / $1,000 as an ISP. It just wasn't worth the time. As it turns out, somebody from Virginia was going to sue under their laws for about $25,000, so it's all good.

    4. Re:follow states like washington... by packeteer · · Score: 1

      The law in washington is not designed to protect domain spoofing, sorry. The law is designed to protect against bulk unsolicoted email personally i wouldn't mind getting only 1 message a day of spam. It would be a hassel but not like the hundreds some get. The law in washington is useful if you get many messages and that $500 a message builds up very quickly.

      Hey at least there IS a law.

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    5. Re:follow states like washington... by global_diffusion · · Score: 2

      The law in washington is not designed to protect domain spoofing, sorry.

      Actually, the law protects against forged headers. Check it out here. I find it really annoying because some junkmail service is sending out spam making it look like it's coming from my site. I want it to stop, but the $500 dollars isn't worth the time I would have to spend doing it.

    6. Re:follow states like washington... by packeteer · · Score: 1

      but is it worth recovering your name? im sure you could hit em with the anti-spam and them try to sue em for some type of trademark violation? once a court has found them guilty of forging headers you could then extend it to say they cost you money through some type of damage to your business... im not really sure but if you can find em you should talk to a lawyer who knows how the laws work once they get into a court...

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  3. Define Utopia by mmarlett · · Score: 4, Funny

    I vote for "Infinite Jest" by David Foster Wallace -- but that's because I think giant hurds of free-roaming hamsters would rule. --MM

    1. Re:Define Utopia by Soko · · Score: 2

      I vote for "Infinite Jest" by David Foster Wallace -- but that's because I think giant hurds of free-roaming hamsters would rule. --MM

      For starters, the GNU mascot is a, well, Gnu, not a hamster. As well, the Hurd is a microkernel, not a monolithic one, so it's just not that big. Infinet Jest is also a little to close to the expected release date of the HURD, too, so I'd run the other way if you're every introduced to one Richard M. Stallman.

      Besides, I thought that Linux provided utopia? ;)

      Soko

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    2. Re:Define Utopia by jcast · · Score: 1

      Besides, I thought that Linux provided utopia? ;)

      Only for people who aren't embarised by Linus.
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      -- David D. Friedman
    3. Re:Define Utopia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Soko, come on, do you even believe that was funny?

    4. Re:Define Utopia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Utopia - from latin, meaning "no place". First coined by Thomas Moore, in his novel Utopia. Oh, yes - there's my vote for utopian novel, by the way: Utopia.

    5. Re:Define Utopia by mlh1996 · · Score: 1

      You know, I've tried to read that book like six times. I get a hundred pages in and my head hurts so much I slide it back under my bed for another six months.

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  4. Utopian Novels by HimalayanRoadblock · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Sorry, but I find Utopian Novels much more depressing than end of the world, apocolypse novels. Any book about Utopia is a work of fiction, something that will never be achieved as long as humans are involved. Where as apocoplypse is where we are going, regardless of your opinion. I'd rather not read more and more lies about how "great" humanity could do it if worked together. This isn't a troll and this isn't flamebait. I'm just stating how I feel.

  5. Popup Story by hburch · · Score: 3, Funny

    A story about ISPs blocking pop-ups that has a pop-ups? Is Salon.com charging Earthlink for the additional enticement?

    1. Re:Popup Story by billstr78 · · Score: 3

      Tell me about it. I have noticed major news sites like cnn.com and abcnews.com adding pop-up adds to initial page loads in the last 2-3 months. With this recent adoption of the medium by major sites, I don't see the use of this annoying method of advertising slowing down anytime soon.

      The only thing we can do is advocate the usage of pop-up blockers and send a message to these advertisers that the public refuses to be annoyed. Now all we need is a pop-up blocker that sends an email to the webmaster of the site everytime a pop-up is blocked ;)

    2. Re:Popup Story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I have been part of the beta of the pop-up blocker. It has been great so far. Of course it warns gives a message when a link tries to open in a new window, but double clicking on the link will allow it to open anyways. You can configure it to preview pop-ups for 2 seconds.

      In addition you can add domains to allow pop-ups from. This is useful for example when looking at a sight which opens things in new windows a lot. I have so far configured two sites to allow this, www.tedbrewer.com and www.baen.com/library because they open new windows for boat line drawings and books respectively.

      Overall a good product.

  6. Atlas Shrugged Utopia by ljhiller · · Score: 5, Funny

    Really, is Atlas Shrugged suggested as a utopia or dystopia? What a nightmare, a world full of objectivists.

    1. Re:Atlas Shrugged Utopia by monopole · · Score: 1

      Amen to that!
      Personally 'Looking Backwards' and 'Equality' count as Utopian novels for me. If that's a little too collectivist for you, try the short story "Business as Usual During Alterations" by Ralph Williams, in which capatalism survives free matter copiers.

    2. Re:Atlas Shrugged Utopia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I was about to post an Ayn rant (anti) and lost hope during the middle of it.

      Let it just be said that this Romantic tried to call her poor justifications objectivity for a good reason... to hide the lack of any internal coherency. At least half the people that "like" her simply don't understand her and buy the surface level rhetoric of libertarean objectivity. She hated Libertarians, She was not Objective ("objectivity" for her refers to the cold hard outlook, the ability to step over a homeless person, not in the scientific sense of subjecting one's hypothesis to doubt and test). Nietzsche is a much better way to spend your youthful rebellion against the herd. Rand is a waste of time. You can still step over homeless people without having to deify yourself to justify it. Hell, you can even help them if you like. (Not for rand, her not-for-profit organization doesn't believe in charity, volunteerism or, for that matter, not-for-profit endeavor!) There is no more humourously self-refuting organization or philosophy on earth, I believe.

      She simply was justifying why men that rise to the top of the capitalist world, like Ken Lay, are a better sort of people, period.

      Rand is actually quite dangerous, I think. She represents an anti-rationalism which is always a key ingredient in fascism.

      Dang, I did the rant.

    3. Re:Atlas Shrugged Utopia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL!

      Ken Lay, "Capitalist!" *guffaw*

      > She represents an anti-rationalism which is always a key ingredient in fascism.

      Please explain.

    4. Re:Atlas Shrugged Utopia by 1010011010 · · Score: 2

      Well, it's better than "Telemachus Sneezed," or "Penelope Burped"

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    5. Re:Atlas Shrugged Utopia by quinto2000 · · Score: 1
      Ken Lay is a supreme capitalist. He followed his own greed. Isn't that what capitalism is about? Isn't capitalism supposed to lead to a perfect universe if everyone just is allowed to be as greedy as they want?

      As for the irrationality of "objectivists," I remember having an argument with some at my school. They were willing to benefit from the student activities fee, which they feel is a form of taxation. That was a lost cause, perhaps. But they also refused to acknowledge that you need information to make a free decision. I tried to point out that a society in which people do not have at least a basic level of education cannot be a free one.

      In general, absolutists are dangerous and can be easily painted into logical corners. They refuse to bend a principle, leading to interesting contradictions (like not accepting the loss of "freedom" in taxation for public schools although it provides the greater good of actually allowing capitalism to work better, reward talent, and lead to less self-perpetuating power structures).

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    6. Re:Atlas Shrugged Utopia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, if you are going to attempt to refute the woman, you shouldn't misrepresent her...

      She hated Libertarians
      True enough. She had the same attitude towards libertarians as RMS has towards the Open Source Initiative.

      "objectivity" for her refers to the cold hard outlook, the ability to step over a homeless person, not in the scientific sense of subjecting one's hypothesis to doubt and test)

      Outright falsehood. Objectivity, for Rand, was an Aristotelean recognition of reality as it is. That facts exist independent of wishes or emotions.

      Not for rand, her not-for-profit organization doesn't believe in charity, volunteerism or, for that matter, not-for-profit endeavor!

      Also untrue. Rand was simply opposed to the idea of charity as a moral imperative. To the specific behavior of whatever organization to which you refer to, I can't speak.

      She simply was justifying why men that rise to the top of the capitalist world, like Ken Lay, are a better sort of people, period.

      No, not really. Atlas Shrugged, in particular, makes some very clear distinctions about different kinds of business men. Rather than offer a blank check for any kind of corporate morality, Rand sets out a very specific code of moral conduct. While you may legitimately disagree with her moral conclusions, denying they exist is intellectually dishonest. She always recognized the value of government in regulating fraudulent behavior.

      She represents an anti-rationalism which is always a key ingredient in fascism.

      No, the opposite is true. Rand =worshipped= rationality and considered fascism to be the worst sort of system.

      Rand's failings are many, but you're not even close to identifying them.

      Among her failings were:

      A very poor understanding of human motivation.
      An inability to understand that economic power is not benign and is inextricably linked with political power.
      A dangerous tendency toward messianic behavior.

    7. Re:Atlas Shrugged Utopia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And even if the "ideas" within weren't so laughable, it's still a horrid piece of writing. I read the first 100 pages or so many years ago and not one of the characters I'd encountered up until then was recognizably human in any way. Talk about artless...

    8. Re:Atlas Shrugged Utopia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >>They were willing to benefit from the student activities fee ...by posting those annoying Objectivist Club posters all over campus.

      Man, those guys are annoying!

    9. Re:Atlas Shrugged Utopia by foobar104 · · Score: 2

      She simply was justifying why men that rise to the top of the capitalist world, like Ken Lay, are a better sort of people, period.

      See, this is the kind of conclusion that one can achieve if one forgets the "moral" part of "moral objectivism."

      I'm not saying Rand was Right, exactly, but I don't think she was nearly as Wrong as you seem to think she was.

      Rand's basic premise, in a nutshell, was that it is the natural order of things for people to act selfishly. Denial of selfishness leads directly to corruption. So acting out of moral self-interest is less likely to result in corruption or fascism than total, but ultimately false, altruism.

      But like I said, I'm not trying to advocate that position, completely. I think, for example, that she was overly optimistic about the universality of the moral compass. It seems to me-- although my mind's not totally made up on this yet-- that most people that I've met have only the most basic moral compass. They might shy away from armed robbery, but they're not above shoplifting. Of course, I think that's more a problem of nurture than it is of nature, but that's another topic.

      On a different, and actually significantly more important, topic, the whole time I've been writing this my dog has been lying on the couch next to me, dreaming. He's asleep, and every so often he sort of grumbles in his throat, and he legs twitch, and he tosses and turns for a bit. I put my hand on him and he quiets.

      There he goes again.

      I wonder what dogs dream about?

    10. Re:Atlas Shrugged Utopia by foobar104 · · Score: 2

      Well, it's better than "Telemachus Sneezed," or "Penelope Burped"

      This might be funny, if it didn't miss the point quite so much. Atlas Shrugged is a great title; remember who Atlas was? He carried the world on his shoulders. What would happen if the man who carried the world on his shoulders were to shift his burden suddenly?

      I really liked Atlas Shrugged. It's a great read, whether or not you agree with the politics or the philosophy. But, in my opinion, the title is far better than the book itself.

    11. Re:Atlas Shrugged Utopia by MsGeek · · Score: 2

      Ken Lay is a crook, pure and simple.

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    12. Re:Atlas Shrugged Utopia by MrGrendel · · Score: 2

      Hear-hear! No world that involves 70+ page monologues can possibly be considered as a utopia. Can you imagine? That would make one of Clinton's State of the Union addresses look like a brief exchange at the water-cooler. Maybe it would be Utopia for narcissistic gassbags, but it would be hell for everyone else. We have a word for the idealized Randian hero in the real world: sociopath.

    13. Re:Atlas Shrugged Utopia by naasking · · Score: 2

      (Not for rand, her not-for-profit organization doesn't believe in charity, volunteerism or, for that matter, not-for-profit endeavor!)

      AynRand.org does not specifiy that it is non-profit. Simply because it is an organization created to spread Objectivism, and which collects contributions to that end, does not classify it as non-profit.

      She simply was justifying why men that rise to the top of the capitalist world, like Ken Lay, are a better sort of people, period.

      Actually, no. In her books, the people on the top (the ones in power) were the "bad" people if you recall. Simply because you are on top and have the power, does not mean you are a "better sort of person". She tried to say that everyone should have the freedoms to pursue their own self-interest without interference from other men.

      This "rant" of yours is fine if all you want to do is spout off a non-factual "opinion", but until you can demonstrate inconsistency or problems with her philisophy (which you have not done in the above), you're just blowing smoke out your arse.

    14. Re:Atlas Shrugged Utopia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      haha, great one!!!

    15. Re:Atlas Shrugged Utopia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, yeah, I think he gets it.

    16. Re:Atlas Shrugged Utopia by naasking · · Score: 2

      Ken Lay is a supreme capitalist. He followed his own greed. Isn't that what capitalism is about? Isn't capitalism supposed to lead to a perfect universe if everyone just is allowed to be as greedy as they want?

      Capitalism is about freedom, not greed. It's about pursuing self-interest, not indulging appetites. What's the difference between "self-interest" and "greed"? Making decisions based on self-interest leads to responsible choices, whereas allowing greed to make one's decisions is blindly sacrificing long-term benefit for short-term gain.

      But they also refused to acknowledge that you need information to make a free decision.

      Free of what? Free of ignorance? Then you would need information. Make a decision free of prejudice? Then less information may be beneficial. How do you define "free"? By "free", I believe you mean a "best" decision based on knowledge of all possible outcomes and scenarios , ie. to be able to see all the consequences of a choice, and so to freely choose a path fully accepting the consequences (which would necessitate knowledge of all contributing factors and their relationships). But such a scenario is impossible as one cannot ever hope to attain such intricate knowledge even for a single decision.

      I tried to point out that a society in which people do not have at least a basic level of education cannot be a free one.

      I would like to hear this argument.

      In general, absolutists are dangerous and can be easily painted into logical corners.

      Perhaps you simply have yet to meet a logical absolutist (as I have yet to meet a logical relativist). ;-)

      (like not accepting the loss of "freedom" in taxation for public schools although it provides the greater good of actually allowing capitalism to work better, reward talent, and lead to less self-perpetuating power structures).

      The problem with the "public" education, is that it must serve the "public interest", however that is defined by the current power holders. That is the problem. The education system does not serve "education", but instead indoctrinates a set of classes to perpetuate the economic systems and values of those in power. People aren't "educated", they are trained into desirable patterns of behaviour and trained in reptitive tasks (a.k.a. "skills") they can perform for the benefit of such a person in power. They are also trained to believe that this is a "successful", and thus desirable, life, and the respect given them by attaining a "successful" career further supports and cements these notions. If that's not a self-perpetuating power structure, I don't know what is. I would rather have a less efficient society of free thinkers over a group of mindless sheep. The public education system as it stands will not provide this.

    17. Re:Atlas Shrugged Utopia by naasking · · Score: 2

      But like I said, I'm not trying to advocate that position, completely. I think, for example, that she was overly optimistic about the universality of the moral compass. It seems to me-- although my mind's not totally made up on this yet-- that most people that I've met have only the most basic moral compass.

      I don't think people are born with any "moral compass", but that we are trained in certain responses. All we are born with is absolute freedom, and we must be shown which freedoms to avoid for our own benefit. Throughout our development we are faced with choices, and thinking about these decisions will inevitably lead to self-consciousness. At this point, we recognize the reasons behind morals and then refute them and change if they are nonsense. Once we achieve self-consciousness, we should be able to define an objective moral code based on logic, which is what Rand was trying to do IMO.

      They might shy away from armed robbery, but they're not above shoplifting. Of course, I think that's more a problem of nurture than it is of nature, but that's another topic.

      Response based on severity of repercussions if caught, probability of being caught and probability of being injured themselves in such a high-risk endeavour weighed against benefits to oneself. Note that all above criteria are based on "self-interest". Even if they take into account not wanting to hurt the cashier, these sentiments are motivated by wanting to avoid feeling guilty, which is again self-interest.

    18. Re:Atlas Shrugged Utopia by karmawarrior · · Score: 1
      Capitalism is about freedom, not greed. It's about pursuing self-interest, not indulging appetites.
      Capitalism is about the use of capital to invest to produce more capital. That's all. It's regularly used as a synonym for free markets, but actually that's only because the most well known and largest free markets (or markets that are closest to being free) are capitalist.

      I do wish people would stop promoting ideological bunk as fact when justifying their ownership of stocks and shares and their use of a savings account in a private bank. Capitalism isn't about freedom. Communism isn't about freedom. Freedom is about freedom.

      (Oh and greed is another issue altogether. An investment is not necessarily any greedier than a salary. But there, I guess, we agree.)

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    19. Re:Atlas Shrugged Utopia by naasking · · Score: 2

      capitalism

      n : an economic system based on private ownership of capital

      [syn: {capitalist economy}] [ant: {socialism}]

      On quick inspection it appears you are right, but I believe capitalism is inextricably linked with freedom. Private ownership implies individual choice and responsibility. Any support of individuality supports freedom.

    20. Re:Atlas Shrugged Utopia by William+Tanksley · · Score: 2

      Any support of individuality supports freedom.

      This is false, and not only by the trivial solution (i.e. a false support for individuality which actually undermines it). The problem is that individualism can become as much a cult as collectivism; witness some of the mindless drivel on Slashdot decrying traditions for the simple, sole reason that they are traditions. We are individuals, but we are not /only/ individuals; I become my greatest when I accept others, not just myself.

      Economically, the individual is the sole source of decisions for a huge number of reasons; but socially, a large number of additional conditions have to hold in order for freedom to mean anything, and individualism actively undermines some of these.

      -Billy

    21. Re:Atlas Shrugged Utopia by squiggleslash · · Score: 2
      Private ownership implies individual choice and responsibility.
      Erm... it does? Not in my book. Private ownership merely implies private ownership.

      Look, the most infamous dictatorship in history, the German regime of 1933-1945, supported private ownership (albiet only in full for German citizens who showed no signs of being of "impure" origin.) You could own anything you like with a handful of exceptions roughly equivalent to most other regimes including modern democracies. People owned their own homes, owned factories, owned cars (the Volkswagen Beetle's origin was of a car that every German could buy and have for themselves.) People invested in private businesses, and private businesses provided the majority of services.

      Was that a regime that supported individual choice, and thusly, freedom? Bollocks it was. Mussolini's regime was likewise. More recently, the aparthied regime in South Africa and the Pinochet regime in Chile were both proudly anti-communist, pro-capitalism, pro-private-ownership. Nobody in their right minds would suggest that those regimes were free - even whites in SA suffered draconian laws against their abilities to speak and move about freely.

      It may possibly be argued that state ownership removes individual choice and therefore implies a loss of freedom, but the converse does not necessarily follow.

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    22. Re:Atlas Shrugged Utopia by naasking · · Score: 2

      a false support for individuality which actually undermines it

      If it's false support, then it's not actual support now is it.

      witness some of the mindless drivel on Slashdot decrying traditions for the simple, sole reason that they are traditions

      What does this have to do with individualism?

      We are individuals, but we are not /only/ individuals; I become my greatest when I accept others, not just myself.

      This is so poetically vague that I'm not even sure what you are talking about.

      Economically, the individual is the sole source of decisions for a huge number of reasons; but socially, a large number of additional conditions have to hold in order for freedom to mean anything, and individualism actively undermines some of these.

      Such as?

    23. Re:Atlas Shrugged Utopia by naasking · · Score: 2

      Look, the most infamous dictatorship in history, the German regime of 1933-1945, supported private ownership (albiet only in full for German citizens who showed no signs of being of "impure" origin.)

      Then it didn't support full undiscriminated private ownership did it?

      Fact is, private ownership means individual people have resources that allow them to live independently of goverment. If government tries to raise arms against it, the people have the resources to fight back.

    24. Re:Atlas Shrugged Utopia by karmawarrior · · Score: 1
      It supported full undiscriminated private ownership for all "German" citizens, and those people who were given that right were hardly free.
      Fact is, private ownership means individual people have resources that allow them to live independently of goverment. If government tries to raise arms against it, the people have the resources to fight back.
      No, it doesn't. Private ownership means nothing of the sort unless it is accompanied by private control. For a difference between the two without even having to examine the practices of the world's most evil capitalist regimes, pick up a copy of the DMCA.
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    25. Re:Atlas Shrugged Utopia by naasking · · Score: 2

      No, it doesn't. Private ownership means nothing of the sort unless it is accompanied by private control. For a difference between the two without even having to examine the practices of the world's most evil capitalist regimes, pick up a copy of the DMCA.

      You are taking a purely legal view of this, I am taking a practical view. If you were allowed to own guns even though you didn't "control" them as per the DMCA, and the government suddenly said you couldn't own guns anymore, you can still use them to fight back. If you have physical access to it, then you can use it.

    26. Re:Atlas Shrugged Utopia by karmawarrior · · Score: 1
      I am taking a practical view as well as a legalistic view. The issue with capitalism is that as long as ownership is private, it is capitalism. This means that issues like gun-control are irrelevent to what is ultimately an economic system. If nobody owns guns, but private individuals own the factories, the banks, housing, transportation, etc, then it's capitalism. More specifically, that private capital is used to fund and control these institutions.

      If you're using a definition of capitalism that presumes that private ownership implies unlimited ownership, then that's a very different definition to what the world uses. Frankly, there could be only two people in a country who have capital, and are able to invest and own things, and they themselves - while having choices over what to invest in - may have no rights to freedom of speech, may suffer arrest and imprisonment for the merest notion they may oppose the government on any issue - and the regime would still be capitalist. The government doesn't own the bulk of enterprise, private capital does.

      This is why it's important not to simply cheer for capital if you really, truely, support personal freedoms. Dictatorships have happened and will continue to do so in purely capitalist societies, such as the third reich. Cheer for freedom if you support freedom.

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    27. Re:Atlas Shrugged Utopia by William+Tanksley · · Score: 2

      If it's false support, then it's not actual support now is it.

      I'm glad you concede that it's possible to pay at least lip service to individuality while destroying freedom. This was my point, the only point I had, and it's clear we agree on it in spite of your original contradiction of it.

      Now, consider that if an action can be done deliberately to harm freedom, it can also be done accidentally, and will have the exact same results regardless of intention. It's quite possible that people intending to help individuality will harm liberty by teaching individuality wrongly -- as the anti-traditionalists do, or as the powermongers do.

      Again: contrary to your statement, not everyone who teaches individuality helps the cause of freedom.

      -Billy

    28. Re:Atlas Shrugged Utopia by naasking · · Score: 2

      I'm glad you concede that it's possible to pay at least lip service to individuality while destroying freedom.

      Very well, if you want to be anal about it, allow me to rephrase: Any support of individuality is in support of freedom. Therefore, it does not actually have to support freedom, but it is in the spirit of supporting freedom.

    29. Re:Atlas Shrugged Utopia by William+Tanksley · · Score: 2

      No, I don't wish to be anal about it; your correction is accepted.

      I nonetheless now have to wonder whether we might be saying different things. What does 'individuality' mean? What does it mean to support it? The idea is, to borrow an expression you used against me, poetically vague; perhaps I incorrectly assumed that you meant the abuse of individuality I'm thinking of.

      I cited one simple example of what I'm thinking of (people who abuse, trash, and ignore traditions not because they're wrong, but because they're traditions); perhaps it would help if you gave a little limit to what you mean by 'individuality'.

      Perhaps there's less to disagree about than we think.

      Of course, perhaps there's more, but we need to find out what we're disagreeing about first.

      -Billy

    30. Re:Atlas Shrugged Utopia by mandrewa · · Score: 1
      squiggleslash, you said, "Look, the most infamous dictatorship in history, the German regime of 1933-1945, supported private ownership."

      squiggleslash, I think it all turns on how we define "private ownership." The nazis asserted that anything anyone may have had was lent to them by the state, something that they were responsible for taking care of.

      Fancy words but what did it actually mean in practice?

      In the mid-thirties they made it a capital crime to remove any property or money from germany. Of course merely leaving germany unapproved itself was a crime. But trying to leave germany and taking say jewelry was something the courts would direct people to be executed for.

      So is this private ownership? Or had there been a significant erosion of its meaning?

      In the 1930s all farmers were told what to produce and how much to produce and what they would be paid for it, and if a farmer didn't meet these targets the land could be taken from him.

      Is this private ownership?

      Hermann Goering, Commander-in-Chief of the Luftwaffe, President of the Reichstag, Prime Minister of Prussia and, as Hitler's designated successor, second most powerful man in germany. Where the companies he took private or had they in effect been nationalized?

      Here's a quote from the "Jewish Virtual Library" (see http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Holocaust/goering .html):

      "In 1936 his powers were further extended by his appointment as Plenipotentiary for the implementation of the Four Year Plan, which gave him virtually dictatorial controls to direct the German economy. The creation of the state-owned Hermann Goering Works in 1937, a gigantic industrial nexus which employed 700,000 workers and amassed a capital of 400 million marks, enabled him to accumulate a huge fortune."

      But wait, if the Hermann Goering Works was state-owned how could Goering be amassing a huge fortune thereby?

      Obviously the Jewish Virtual Library feels that Goering is a part of the nazi state, that you can't really separate him from the government and that the confiscated companies that were combined to make the Hermann Goering Works were in effect nationalized. I agree.

      The nazi economy was a planned economy. The companies that were not explicitly nationalized were told what to do, what to produce and how much and how and what wages to pay their workers by government ministries.

      Is this private ownership?

      There's some room for argument, but I argue that private ownership only existed around the edges in nazi germany. That the concept had been severly eroded.

      In fact nazi germany was more nationalized, more centrally-controlled, than than the soviet union was at a comparable point in time: 1925.

  7. Panicware Pop-Up Stopper by addie · · Score: 1

    I'm an IE6.0 windows user, and I stumbled across Pop-Up Stopper by panic ware. It just displays a little icon in the system tray, which can be turned on and off by double clicking. It has been almost foolproof so far, and it's completely free. They also have retail products that provide even more services (though I haven't tested any myself).

    Free pop-up stopper download page here.

    1. Re:Panicware Pop-Up Stopper by billstr78 · · Score: 2

      The only annoying thing about the free version is that it stops a netscape messanger mail window from being opened. Even when the user clicks on the mail icon to request the window it gets blocked. I understand the non-free version allows for finer control of what gets blocked, but I have not downloaded it yet.

    2. Re:Panicware Pop-Up Stopper by good-n-nappy · · Score: 1

      The free version says you may have to hold down control to open new links... is that true for IE6?

      I just switched to Mozilla when I found out there was a google toolbar clone. There are still some issues with Mozilla but its also got a few advantages. Try it if you're sick of hearing the "95% of the web uses IE" stats.

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    3. Re:Panicware Pop-Up Stopper by DrBlake · · Score: 1

      It also stops IE's Javascript Error window from staying up long enough to be read. I now use PopUpCop. It has been really good so far.

    4. Re:Panicware Pop-Up Stopper by Verizon+Guy · · Score: 4, Informative

      I use Bayden PopupPopper. I've tried them all, and found this one to be the least resource intensive. When a site attempts a pop-up, you get a small transparent window that asks you if you want to add this domain to your friends list, blacklist it, or to allow/deny just that popup. It also has a cool feature that will block all popups if you turn on Scroll Lock (Finally a good use for the key, since like Lotus 1-2-3 for DOS, circa 1980s!) Oh yeah, free as in beer.

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    5. Re:Panicware Pop-Up Stopper by poisoneleven · · Score: 1

      Yay Pop-Up Stopper! I've been using it for about 3 months now and couldn't be happier! It's Free (as in beer), I like to have it play a sound when it stops something, so I know when I'm stickin' it to the man! :-D

    6. Re:Panicware Pop-Up Stopper by mabinogi · · Score: 2

      > (Finally a good use for the key, since like Lotus 1-2-3 for DOS, circa 1980s!)

      Never had to use a terminal much have you?
      It's one of the more useful keys on the keyboard.

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    7. Re:Panicware Pop-Up Stopper by mallfouf · · Score: 1

      Panicware Pop-Up Stopper is one of the best browsing utilities ever. I've been using for the last 10 months or so. Can't browse without it. It will block most of the popups. you can download it and see for urself. Also try the companion version. It has a bunch of extra features in it.
      Webmasters who want to have popups on their sites are getting the hang of getting around those popup stoppers utilities. i've noticed on some sites that they've started using Flash popups and Java popups. I don't know of any software that can do block those yet.
      Try it: panicware.com

  8. I got ya Ad-Killer right here!!! by petepac · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Try The Proxomitron. I works 95% of the time and it's free. Kills both pop-ups and on-page ads. It even stops Flash and gif animations if you want. More options than you can shake a checkbox at. Try it, you'll like it.

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    1. Re:I got ya Ad-Killer right here!!! by psm321 · · Score: 1

      Plus the best part is that you can make your own custom filters to change incoming/outgoing headers and the body of the document. Especially handy for online games :)

  9. Blender and Free fonts by PeterClark · · Score: 5, Interesting

    To merge the topic of Blender with that of another recent subject, has anyone started a fund for creating Free fonts to eliminate Free software's dependence upon Microsoft's fonts? From the discussion that has already occured, it seems as though the only sane and reasonable way to get high-quality, consistant fonts is to scrap some money together and pay a professional to do so.

    People, if a _rendering_ program, that is probably used by a relatively small amount of people, can reach 90% of its goal in four weeks, what can we do about raising funds for fonts, which everyone has an interest in? What we need now is for someone or some organization well-respected within the community to speak up and say, "The pot is open! Come chip in!"
    :Peter

    1. Re:Blender and Free fonts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      (not PeterClark here, but )

      Before anyone here says that fonts are easy to make, you're probably forgetting the non-western character sets and the thousands of unicode characters. It's not unreasonable to think that making a single font might take a year.

    2. Re:Blender and Free fonts by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1
      Free software's dependence upon Microsoft's fonts?

      Sorry to be dense, but what dependance is that? My laptop is running a pretty stock RH 7.2 with no MS fonts and seems to work fine. So where's the dependence?

      I seem to be missing the point of the furor. Of course, I also think anti-aliasing is a dumb idea, so I seem to be in the minority here when it comes to font issues...

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    3. Re:Blender and Free fonts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      To merge the topic of Blender with that of another recent subject, has anyone started a fund for creating Free fonts to eliminate Free software's dependence upon Microsoft's fonts? From the discussion that has already occured, it seems as though the only sane and reasonable way to get high-quality, consistant fonts is to scrap some money together and pay a professional to do so.

      Good international fonts can take man years to create, and must be done by a team of dedicated specialists. Font generation is not a trivial task, and creating something similar to what MS was offering for free is pretty daunting.

      To play devil's advocate, that it's taken a month to get enough people to pay less than one programmer's annual salary for a whole rendering package speaks poorly of the likelihood of this happening.

  10. MOD PARENT UP by quinto2000 · · Score: 0, Offtopic
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  11. God, now we know why Timothy is so stupid by quinto2000 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    He's a damn Objectivist.

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    1. Re:God, now we know why Timothy is so stupid by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 5, Funny

      You've got your cause and effect mixed up there, I'm afraid.

      --

      How can we continue to believe in a just universe and freedom to eat crackers if we have no ale?
  12. Earthlink Popup Blocking by MoThugz · · Score: 1

    What is the point? There are many pop-up blocker software out there already. Why must Earthlink try to reinvent the wheel? Some browsers already has the support for this feature too. In fact you can stop this and all other annoyances by just disabling JavaScript... not that hard now is it, Earthlink?

    1. Re:Earthlink Popup Blocking by plover · · Score: 5, Informative
      Yes, you're a troll, but I'll bite anyway.

      There are many people who don't know about popup-blockers. Joe and Jane SixPack, living in Farmtown, Minnesota, simply don't know anything different. "That's just the way it is, isn't it?" 500,000 usernames are subscribed to Slashdot. That leaves only 99,500,000 other internet users.

      When Earthlink comes around and says "We promise no more pop-ups" this can actually awaken something within them that says "Hey, what a good idea. I'd pay for that." So they do.

      Over 90% of the users have EVERYTHING default on their PCs.

      --
      John
  13. Feel good? Or Utopian? There's a difference. by StandardDeviant · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Becuase frankly, utopias are fucking boring. Novels that tell a story of triumph against all odds, winning out against the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune... those are the stories that speak to the real human condition of fighting adversity. As evidence, consider Dante's writing series. Paradiso is pages and pages of crap about how wonderful heaven is. Boooooring. Inferno is much more interesting reading. (I guess you could say that Inferno is a contra-example to my thesis since the focus of the story is really more on the suffering of the damned than the travel of the main character, but otoh the narrator does travel through the bowels of hell, no doubt a frightening journey, only to return unharmed.)

    So in the field of uplifting stories, stories that, like Shawshank Redemption, are of people crawling through a river of shit to come out clean on the other side, I'll toss in Bryce Courtenay's The Power of One . I read it when I was 14, and honestly I think it's had more of a lasting impact on me than any other written work, Bible included. When the times get tough (and I've had my share of tough times in the decade since then), I think it's that books message of self-reliance and determination that carried me through. (Or at least, like a boxer, I would have gone down swinging if I had...)

  14. Didn't know we came up with Micro Payments ... by pgrote · · Score: 2

    Pop Ups pay for the content you read on certain sites. Yep, the internet isn't free nor is the content. It costs to generate content and one way of paying for that is, shudder, advertising.

    Someone has to pay. If it's not pop ups it'll be something else.

    Why do people continue to believe that the internet is free and always will be free?

    We don't have a micropayment system in place, so web site operators need to generate revenue somewhere.

    1. Re:Didn't know we came up with Micro Payments ... by BurritoWarrior · · Score: 2

      Because Pop Ups are obnoxiously intrusive. I have no problem with most forms of advertising, but pop ups definitely cross the line.

      If my TV stopped playing my show and froze on an ad where I couldn't change the channel, I would throw it out too.

      Advertising only works when it is tactful and entertaining, not when it is disruptive and annoying.

    2. Re:Didn't know we came up with Micro Payments ... by Anonymous+Squonk · · Score: 2

      I always get off on the guys who think it's their right to access on content on the internet for free and with no inconvenience to their almighty selves.

      There is a simple and fullproof way for all browsers to view the internet without pop-ups. Don't visit the offending sites. Click on the ad banners of sites that don't use pop-ups. Buy products from sites that don't use pop-ups. In short, prove that pop-ops are not worth the trouble they cause. Because most web advertisers have come to realize that pop-up advertisements are the only way to pay the bills and make putting that content online worthwhile.

    3. Re:Didn't know we came up with Micro Payments ... by Dthoma · · Score: 2, Interesting
      "Why do people continue to believe that the internet is free and always will be free?"

      It's not that people expect the 'Net to be free. It's just that people want to be able to look at a web page without being irritated by garish flashing pictures that appear at random.

      "Why do people continue to believe that the internet is free and always will be free?"

      People don't believe that the Internet is free and always will be. What they believe is that they should be able to pay a reasonable price to an ISP for access to a worldwide network.

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    4. Re:Didn't know we came up with Micro Payments ... by jesser · · Score: 1

      I always get off on the guys who think it's their right to access on content on the internet for free and with no inconvenience to their almighty selves.

      That's odd, I don't get off on the web site owners who think it's their right to open extra browser windows in order to make it harder to leave their site while they show me ads.

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      The shareholder is always right.
    5. Re:Didn't know we came up with Micro Payments ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If my TV stopped playing my show and froze on an ad where I couldn't change the channel, I would throw it out too.

      Seems to me they do... called "commercials".

    6. Re:Didn't know we came up with Micro Payments ... by DreamerFi · · Score: 2

      And why do you continue to believe it is your (and our) responsibility to make their business model work?

      If a company decides that advertising is the way to make money, why is it my responsibility to make that work? Yes, they need to generate revenue somewhere, but no, I do not need to provide it.

      If they provide something that is of positive value to me, I will pay for it. Advertising is of negative value to me, so I actively block it. It's up to them to live with it.

      Someone has to pay. If it's not pop ups it'll be something else.
      Like a chapter 11. Good riddance..

      -John

    7. Re:Didn't know we came up with Micro Payments ... by BurritoWarrior · · Score: 2

      You can't change the channel on your TV set?

      Odd device you have there.

    8. Re:Didn't know we came up with Micro Payments ... by Anonymous+Squonk · · Score: 2

      The majority of pop-up ads can be turned off by simply closing the window. This takes a fraction of a second, and you return to the content you were originally viewing. Seems much less intrusive than television, where several commercials play consecutively for several minutes, and the only way to avoid is it to switch to entirely different content.

      Tactful and entertaining have nothing to do with advertising that works. Advertising that works is presenting a product to a person who needs it, nothing more.

  15. Blender icon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Here's my idea for the Blender icon: some sort of totally non-obvious icon, that the second you read somewhere that it means Blender, you know it, but the next second, you totally forget.

    Maybe a giant spoon, or a yellow dot on a purple background?

  16. georouting as a procmail antispam rule.. by Greg@RageNet · · Score: 5, Informative

    I have two procmail rules which work wonders in stopping spam. the first one is a fairly uninventive but nevertheless effective check of a really great RBL. The second is a bit more inventive. By pulling the 'Recieved' headers from the message and comparing the countries the mail was routed through using 'GeoIP' you can make some assumptions about the route. For example. if the sending machine is in the US, relays the mail through Korea, then the mail comes back to the US such an inefficent route can be safely assumed as intended to take advantage of an open SMTP relay... Enjoy!

    procmailrc.antispam.txt

    -- Greg

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    1. Re:georouting as a procmail antispam rule.. by __aakpxi9117 · · Score: 1

      I just don't know, people... Is it that I haven't posted this enough? Is it that people aren't convinced that it will work? Why is everyone so adament to sticking to methods that are self-defeating? (will be defeated by SPAMers when they get popular)

      Is it so difficult to just follow these instructions, and instantly stop ALL spam for good?

      http://slashdot.org/~ryancooley/journal/9467

    2. Re:georouting as a procmail antispam rule.. by juraj · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How many false positives does it have? Is the use of geoip legal for this matter? (Won't they start complaining about it?).

    3. Re:georouting as a procmail antispam rule.. by alienmole · · Score: 1

      Your idea might work if you only ever email with your buddies, but requiring business partners to use specific keywords in the subject when emailing you isn't viable. At the very least, it fails when a message is cc'd to a bunch of people, but even for one-to-one messages it's not really acceptable.

  17. Ayn Rand was a wack-nut-fruit case by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Atlas Shrugged: one of the worst works of literature to ever be popularized. Almost as good as L. Ron Hubbard's Dianetics. The difference? The religion Rand started she decided to call a "philosophy", even though it's really more of an ideology.

    Seriousuly, her utopia is not only deeply flawed, but her writing sucks. I mean, come on, did anyone really buy into those 20-minute long monologues that folks like D'Anconia have at dinner parties while everyone stands in silence and listens to his tedious diatribes?

    The Fountainhead was much better (Rand was able to resist her temptation to "tell" not "show" a bit better), but even that work was deeply flawed, both from a literary perspective and from a philosophical one. Still inspiring in many ways, but seriously flawed.

    She was rejected by 40 publishers for a reason.

    I have no problem subscribing to the "less government" view of the world, but Objectivism is strictly out.

    1. Re:Ayn Rand was a wack-nut-fruit case by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, one difference between her and old ElRon is that Hubbard was primarily interested in making paying sheep out of people, whereas Rand had the opposite goal.

      Has anyone noticed the Hegelian roots of Randism? Hegel was a dipshit and one of the intellectual fathers of the great 20th century atrocities.

    2. Re:Ayn Rand was a wack-nut-fruit case by ragnar · · Score: 2

      Since Atlas Shrugged continues to sell well and is consistently rates as the second most influentual book in the lives of Americans (behind the Bible), I suspect those 40 publishers are kicking themselves pretty hard.

      Many people don't like the way she portrayed a black & white sort of world, where you were either an individualist or a collectivist, but I think it makes for good reading. It is interesting to see the potential outcome if people lived the way they supposedly believe. I'll go out on a limb and guess that this sort of extremism is what turns you off, and that makes sense. You might want to elaborate a little on what specifically makes her utopia "deeply flawed" or her "writing suck" or Atlast Shrugged "one of the worst works of literature to ever be popularized." These are pretty heavy statements without many examples, save for the reference to long monologues (in which I'll agree with you).

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    3. Re:Ayn Rand was a wack-nut-fruit case by demerzel242 · · Score: 1

      >Has anyone noticed the Hegelian roots of Randism? No. >Hegel was a dipshit and one of the intellectual fathers of the great 20th century atrocities What atrocities?

  18. I got ya Ad-Killer right here!!! by Dthoma · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Privoxy - more options than you can shake a stick at, since it even allows you to add custom rules for blocking and permission. It's OSS, available from Sourceforge, too. I'm using it right now, and it's blocked all pop-ups and banner ads with just a default installation.

    Seriously, why all the big hoo-haa about the removal of popups when it's easy to install some unobtrusive trustworthy software which destroys them without you even noticing?

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  19. I just donated my $5... by orbital3 · · Score: 2

    Even though I knew I wouldn't get the t-shirt... oh well. I'll also probably never really use Blender, though I have been considering just downloading it to fiddle with it. Regardless, I pitched in $5, because I felt it was a good cause. I like the idea of free software... especially the "free" part... but the people who put all the work into projects like this have to eat, and I'm ok with contributing to something that will provide a substantial benefit to the community and world as a whole. Good luck Blender Team, and to all of you fledgling artists, put my $5 to good use.

    1. Re:I just donated my $5... by xanadu-xtroot.com · · Score: 2

      I like the idea of free software... especially the "free" part...

      Yup, as do I. That is why I'm a TransGaming subscriber. I don't game much, and what I do play has Linux ports out (Q3A, Tribe2, etc.), but I like what they are doing and support them with my 5 bucks every month (OK, I missed one month when my CC got reissued and I forgot to update that with them, but...). That's why I usually buy Linux (well, the major versions anyway like MDK 8.0, SuSE 8.0, etc.). And when there is no buying available, I'll happily donate some spare cash to them (like Gentoo for instance).

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    2. Re:I just donated my $5... by hesiod · · Score: 1

      I don't even think I'll ever download the program, but I donated $5 because I had it sitting in my PayPal account and like to show support for a good idea. Now, what to do with the 43 cents left in my account... Hmmm

  20. On a related note... by quinto2000 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    This idea of using Bayesian filters on Spam reminds me of an idea that I've tossed back and forth a couple of times with other slashdotters. I'm getting into neural nets, and I think it would be really interesting to do this kind of analysis on one of the largest data set around, the Slashdot comments. It would be a perfect database for training, because user moderations are attached to most comments. Specifically, I think it would be really cool to train a neural network to recognize trolls. Has anyone else ever thought about this? I would even be able to get academic credit for the research, but CmdrTaco didn't like the idea when I suggested it to him.

    Just like the argument for bayesian analysis of SPAM, reason-based analyis of trolls is fundamentally flawed, as can be seen by the broken "lameness" filters. A neural network/bayesian approach would probably work much better at finding the features trolls have in common. Slashdot could mark likely trolls automatically after they are analyzed by the system, and users could filter "likely troll" in their user preferences page. But mostly, this would be a cool project to do, and I wish CmdrTaco would be more willing to allow direct database access for academic projects. Screen-scraping is not an attractive prospect.

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    1. Re:On a related note... by yog · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Well, you're proposing to do something really hard, i.e. to somehow
      recognize trolls among legitimate messages, which sounds nearly
      impossible, and yet you balk at doing something extremely easy,
      i.e. cutting and pasting messages into an editor for a few days or
      weeks. You'd be doing the world a huge service if you could solve the
      troll/spam problem; go for it. Don't let lack of direct access to a
      database slow you down.

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    2. Re:On a related note... by Morphine007 · · Score: 1

      why not go down a level and parse the html? you know that you're going to have a max of say 20 chars followed by a (Score:X) by Y on DATE etc... parsing that wouldn't be hard in any language I know of... I've written a few nets in C and that was a hella lot harder than simply trying to parse out fields...

    3. Re:On a related note... by GreyWolf3000 · · Score: 1

      here's a possible solution (having nothing to do with the parent poster's idea) with each /. article, its always obvious what the trolls will say. If there's a wide spectrum of ideas (maybe liberal v conservative, for example), you can expect the trolls to be at either end. What if each article poster posted, along with the content, the two obvious comments people will make automatiaclly before thinking critically. If someone posts an opinion that essentially matches one of the obvious responses, and they're caught..perhaps their karma can immediately go down so much that no one will ever read their posts (due to threshold)...obviously no one would empower an average moderator to ruin someone's /. life, but if there were multiple concurrent opinions, it could work. just a thought.....

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    4. Re:On a related note... by balloonhead · · Score: 1
      Could a troll filter recognise sarcasm? That might look like a troll but the context and word use make a human understand. Although saying that, most of my sarcastic comments have been modded as 'troll'...

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    5. Re:On a related note... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      by AdamAnt (this@isn't.an.email.address) on Quiqleday Fnoobar 45, @32:68 ZZ (#00000000)
      (User #1)
      Blindly parsing the raw HTML can easily be screwed with...

    6. Re:On a related note... by bshanks · · Score: 1

      certainly, this would be a great idea. let me go on record saying that it would be cool if CmdrTaco allowed direct database access for academic projects.

  21. Bayesian Filtering Flaw? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Hey,

    The Bayesian filtering method seems very promising to me. However, I am a person who gets a lot of spam and relatively little "real" email (I used to use email all the time before IM prorgams).

    Now if I were to give it thousands of spam a week to learn from, and maybe 1 real email or so to learn from, won't the spam language eventually just outweigh all the good language?

    Either way, it seems spammers can just tack enough "goodie" words at the end of their email to outweigh the marketing speak they had in the original. Or just use JPEGS for HTML enabled clients..

    1. Re:Bayesian Filtering Flaw? by Kenard · · Score: 1

      I'm in a similar situation, a lot of spam and little real mail. Although there would be a lot of spam compaired to the lagit mail, the proposed method takes into account how many msg you have of each spam and non-spam, which should take care of outweighted spam/non-spam msg.
      p.s. I am working on too, though for kmail. I admire how fast he got his working.

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    2. Re:Bayesian Filtering Flaw? by JammerNZ · · Score: 1

      This looks like it has real promise for cleaning up my inbox. I'd be prepared to help test any kmail filter you come up with.

    3. Re:Bayesian Filtering Flaw? by ahrenritter · · Score: 2

      There is weighting to take care of disporportionate amounts of good/bad e-mail.

      One other interesting thing that prompted me to reply is that HTML e-mails are actually more deadly for the spammers. Since the proscribed filtering process is token based, not content based, the markup used to display the jpeg counts against them since there is more HTML spam than legitimate mail.

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  22. Utopia? Bellamy. by Hack+Shoeboy · · Score: 0

    Looking Backward by Edward Bellamy was very cool, if implausible. A ninteenth-century author's vision of a twentieth century utopia is bound to be chock full of accidental anachronisms.

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    1. Re:Utopia? Bellamy. by jcam2 · · Score: 1

      With its vision of a centrally planned future in which every individual is a willing slave of an all-poweful state, I think Looking Backware should be considered a distopia !

    2. Re:Utopia? Bellamy. by Hack+Shoeboy · · Score: 0

      Absolutely. However, the book is written to be utopian, and reading it is worthwhile if only as a joke. The centrally planned society is perhaps the most obvious of the myriad anachronisms. All of this was pre-Marx, and at the time the book was written, "Bellamy clubs" were formed by people who believed it would work. Maybe that's the distopian angle....

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  23. In other news... by Tuxinatorium · · Score: 0, Troll

    ...Satan himself announced his plans to upscale the use of popup ads in Hell, as a way to torture people without the costs of hiring demons...

  24. According to the front page, by jcast · · Score: 1

    This is the 42nd post in this discussion.

    Oh, and I hate pop-ups.

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  25. I go with Plato by Desperado · · Score: 2

    Plato's Republic is, perhaps, the original Utopian work. It's not a novel, but it does lay out what Plato believes it would take to form an ideal society.

    It's no where near as long as a modern novel and well worth reading just to see the genesis of Utopian thought

    .

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  26. Bayes Rule spam implemention *and* seeding by leto · · Score: 4, Informative
    Eric Raymond has written Bogofilter that implements Paul Graham's idea. I've created a Badwords list for use with bogofilter seeded with my entire spam collection of four years.

    Leto

    1. Re:Bayes Rule spam implemention *and* seeding by peeping_Thomist · · Score: 1

      So far we've seen one implementation (the one mentioned in the article) that depends on an unfree MTA (qmail), and another implementation (Eric Raymond's) that depends on an unfree library (HP's judy).

      Is there no implementation yet that doesn't depend on unfree software? I mean, it's already been three days since the first Slashdot article was posted!

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    2. Re:Bayes Rule spam implemention *and* seeding by Sancho · · Score: 2

      Sounds really great.. anyone care to write one that doesn't require the Judy libraries?

    3. Re:Bayes Rule spam implemention *and* seeding by cpeterso · · Score: 2

      Doesn't having a single static list of "bad words" defeat the point of Paul Graham's adaptive Bayesian filter? Each user will have a different set of good-words and spam-words, depending on their set of friends/interests and which spammers' lists they are on. And that makes each spam filter more effective for that person and makes the spammers' lives more difficult because there are no definitive lists to hack.

    4. Re:Bayes Rule spam implemention *and* seeding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      The only un-free thing about qmail is that you can't distribute altered versions of it, but there are tons of patches which are distributed and many are on the official cr.yp.to site of qmail.

      It's also IMHO a great package. What in particular bothers you about it?

    5. Re:Bayes Rule spam implemention *and* seeding by cpeterso · · Score: 1


      btw, your spam archive and graphs are really cool! I'm glad someone is archiving and analyzing this "data". :-)

    6. Re:Bayes Rule spam implemention *and* seeding by peeping_Thomist · · Score: 1

      From http://openacs.org/about/licensing/open-source-lic ensing:

      "An author can thus decide to distribute source code if she wants to. This distribution does not give the recipients of the source code any rights other than to make use of it. Some developers use this simple distribution method: Qmail is distributed this way. Users can freely download it and use it, but they cannot create derivative works and redistribute them. This is why qmail developers distribute their work as patches to the original source code, which is the equivalent of distributing an additional chapter to a book without the original content: the end-user is responsible for assembling the pieces in a way that makes sense."

      "The key point here is that these additional chapters - these source code patches - are copyrighted by their respective authors. Thus, while they cannot redistribute qmail with their patches, the original qmail author cannot redistribute these patches with qmail, either!"

      The inability to create derivative works makes qmail unfree.

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    7. Re:Bayes Rule spam implemention *and* seeding by Sancho · · Score: 2

      If you read through the manpage, a given email can be analyzed and added to the list--in fact, that is presumably how the badword list was generated.

    8. Re:Bayes Rule spam implemention *and* seeding by shepd · · Score: 1

      >The inability to create derivative works makes qmail unfree.

      No, the ability to combine untarring and patching into a one liner shell script is was makes it free and a completely derivative work, while maintaining what the author wants with his license: The ability to disclaim himself from foreign changes to the source code.

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    9. Re:Bayes Rule spam implemention *and* seeding by peeping_Thomist · · Score: 1

      Here's a note from Stallman on this topic, from :
      http://old.lwn.net/2001/0607/letters.php3

      > From: Richard Stallman
      > To: class5@pacbell.net
      > Subject: Re: License trouble everywhere.
      > Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 14:48:49 -0600 (MDT)
      > Cc: letters@lwn.net, djb@cr.yp.to, class5@pacbell.net

      > It is clear that your goals and values are very different from mine.
      > I don't think technical merit can make up for a lack of freedom to
      > distribute modified versions, any more than a capable despot who makes
      > the trains run on time can make up for a lack of democracy.

      Another point is raised on that page: what if djb dies and a security problem with qmail is discovered? Would there be any way to fix it?

      I'm happy enough, though, accepting an argument from authority on this topic. Stallman doesn't regard qmail as free, and Debian classifies it as "non-free". I know that the people who made that classification have thought a lot more about free software than I ever have.

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    10. Re:Bayes Rule spam implemention *and* seeding by larry+bagina · · Score: 1
      exactly. D. J. Bernstein guaranteesqmail (and djbdns) to be free of exploitable bugs. Sendmail won't make that claim. Neither will bind. Bernstein is standing behind his code, but he can only do that if it is in fact his code, his distribution.

      If you want to argue some minor point while sendmail gets you rooted, fine.

      PS - I'm aware that minix was under the same licensing terms, and Linus found them so onerous he created linux.

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    11. Re:Bayes Rule spam implemention *and* seeding by shepd · · Score: 1

      >what if djb dies and a security problem with qmail is discovered? Would there be any way to fix it?

      Well, you have two choices.

      1) Release a patch, and make a new homepage for your autopatched qmail distro.
      2) Dead people can't sue. Go ahead and just patch the code and call it a new version. Change the name if you like. Of course, I suppose someone else could sue on his behalf, but I don't know copyright law that well.

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    12. Re:Bayes Rule spam implemention *and* seeding by peeping_Thomist · · Score: 1

      Bernstein is standing behind his code, but he can only do that if it is in fact his code, his distribution.

      True but irrelevant. It's great that he's standing behind his code, but it is not true that there is a logical connection between the guarantee (which is good) and the licensing terms (which are not good). He could easily guarantee only those qmail packages that have specific md5 checksums (the terms under which he currently allows redistribution are written that way), while still allowing third parties to modify and redistribute the code. The guarantee would work exactly as it does today, that is, tied to md5 checksums, yet it would be possible for third parties to fork qmail if they wanted. Qmail is licensed in such a way as to rule out forking. And that's bad.

      Defend his decision to make qmail unfree if you like, but don't use bad arguments to do it.

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    13. Re:Bayes Rule spam implemention *and* seeding by Havokmon · · Score: 1

      Bernstein is standing behind his code, but he can only do that if it is in fact his code, his distribution.

      True but irrelevant

      Not unlike this thread. :P

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    14. Re:Bayes Rule spam implemention *and* seeding by bpfinn · · Score: 1

      Andrew McCallum's BOW (Bag Of Words) statistical classifier is released under the LGPL. It's available here.

    15. Re:Bayes Rule spam implemention *and* seeding by airlie · · Score: 1

      So who's going to add this to Mozilla mail for us?

      Could make for a great Outlook killer feature.

    16. Re:Bayes Rule spam implemention *and* seeding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "And that's bad"

      No, it's just not an open license you agree with.

      Personally, if he made me do 600 jumping jacks for each installation of qmail I did, I would still advocate the package. It is that good, and quality is what matters to me - not philosophy.

      I suppose you are for affimative action?

    17. Re:Bayes Rule spam implemention *and* seeding by GCU+Friendly+Fire · · Score: 1
      Sounds really great.. anyone care to write one that doesn't require the Judy libraries?

      That would be pretty good, anybody know an existing c-bindable high performance free sparse array math package?

      The original technique is defined in common lisp, and it occurs to me that perhaps that language may be better suited to this kind of task than raw C. I wonder if you could get reasonable performance out of a CL or SCM implementation running as a server like the spamd of SpamAssassin.

    18. Re:Bayes Rule spam implemention *and* seeding by Electrum · · Score: 2

      Qmail is licensed in such a way as to rule out forking.

      Wrong. qmail is not licensed at all (it is "no license" software). Thus you only have the right to use it, not distribute it. The right to use it inherently includes the right to create and distribute patches: http://cr.yp.to/softwarelaw.html

  27. xpi by SlugLord · · Score: 1

    It's good to know that there's an xpi for netscape that allows you to block popup ads. Mozilla does it out of the box though..

  28. yeah... by seann · · Score: 1

    Inc. said Monday it plans to offer its subscribers software to block Internet pop-up advertisements as part of a wider campaign to set itself apart from competitors.

    Wonder how they are going to advertise this to the general internet, pop-ups? spam?

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    1. Re:yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      stating the obvious is a waste of your time and mine. Shut the fuck up.

  29. MOD PARENT UP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Timothy and Michael are clones btw.

  30. Lord of the Rings is... by MoThugz · · Score: 1

    the best utopian literature I ever read. Can you just imagine a fellowship consisting of a few halflings, humans, an elf, a dwarf and an old wizard defeating an almighty sorceror?

    Forget the fact that Sauron has virtually an infinite number of minions to implement his evil plans... not to mention that the fate of the world as they know it lies in the hands of a hobbit barely the height of my waist.

    And in the end... they succeeded, nevermind the fact that to reach this conclusion I had to go through THREE tomes the size of phone directories.

    Well, at least I need not wait for three years like those lazy people who prefer to wait for the movie... heh!

  31. Feel Good Fiction? by guttentag · · Score: 2
    I like to print out the Microsoft press releases that complain about how much headway Linux and the Macintosh have made in unseating Windows. Yes, it's all BS designed to bolster Microsoft's contention that there's no need for the government to restrain Windows, but it makes me feel better.

    If anyone's interested, I'll be combining them in a bound volume for only $19.95 a copy, per year, per seat.

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  33. Utopia vs. Dystopia by Kafir · · Score: 3, Informative

    Unfortunately utopian novels tend not to make very good novels.
    Compare Aldous Huxley's dystopian Brave New World to his later utopia, Island. Moral ambiguity is replaced by self-righteousness, the bitter irony of the "savage" who represents an alternative world-vision in BNW is replaced by the one-sided Theosophists who form the opposition in Island. And the soul-killing drug, "soma," is replaced by the enlightening "moksha medicine," without any very convincing explanation of what makes one drug better than another.

    Or compare H.G. Wells's classic early works, starting with the speculative dystopia of The Time Machine, with his preachy late utopia, The Shape of Things to Come.

    Or read some of the classic socialist utopias of the late nineteenth century, Morris's News From Nowhere or Bellamy's Looking Backward. No plot, no conflict, just the slow exposition of the author's vision for a new world, along with castigation of the stupidity or greed of those among the author's contemporaries who did not share his vision.

    Books about the process of creating utopia tend to be somewhat better; I enjoyed Wells's In the Days of the Comet, and Heinlein's The Moon is a Harsh Mistress is something of a classic, describing the fight to create a libertarian society on the moon. But that class of books allows for direction and struggle in a way that pure utopian novels do not.

    1. Re:Utopia vs. Dystopia by samael · · Score: 2

      Actually, I thought that Brave New World was utopian, not dystopian. I'd love to live there.

  34. luna is a terrorist by Fred+Ferrigno · · Score: 2, Flamebait

    I don't see how blowing up the Golden Gate Bridge constitutes "ending well". The book was a long and trite "if everyone did things my way, look how great it would be". The protagonists were terrorists by every meaning of the word. They attacked civilian targets, killed innocent people, and we rewarded for it. The bad guys won.

    By the end of the book, I was deeply saddened that their plans weren't foiled, that the thinly-veiled United-Nations-cum-Fascist-Overlords didn't blow the colony to smithereens, that they got away with such atrocities, and that Heinlein had the nerve to try and justify it all!

    I really hated that book. It sickened me and left me with a very foul impression of its author. Perhaps it was a bad Heinlein book to start off with, because now I refuse to read any of his others, no matter how well recommended they are.

    1. Re:luna is a terrorist by cduffy · · Score: 2

      Name me a revolution that doesn't include attacks on civilian targets and the murder of innocent people, and I'll... well... be very suprised. If any political upheavel, to be considered a Good Thing, had to uphold the moral standards you propose then you would deny the correctness of India's assertion of self-rule, the justness of the American revolution... every instance of a people freeing itself from tyranny I can think of. For that matter, would blowing the colony to smithereens be any less of a terrorist act?

      Just because some acting government holds the might does not make them in the right and all those who choose to fight them terrorists.

    2. Re:luna is a terrorist by Morphine007 · · Score: 1

      I find it kind of funny that people can paint a group with the label "freedom fighter" and then paint an identical group with the label "terrorist".... get over it folks, war is war; people die (civies too), and, last I heard, you are at war...

    3. Re:luna is a terrorist by bovinewasteproduct · · Score: 2

      Huh?

      When was the last time you even read the book? They NEVER targeted cities or cilvilan targets! Everything they targeted was either in the water, on mountain tops, in the middle of deserts or military targets (cheyenne(sp) moutain was flattened). Yes some people died (idiots mostly; who goes and sight sees at or near ground zero of large rocks?). And unlike the UN, they never used nukes... Just real big rocks.

      Lets see, luna did not attack until they had been attacked, the UN used war gas, the UN used nukes and they attacked cities. All Luna did was throw rocks.

      There is a difference between terorists and being at war. A big one. It is real obvious you don't know the difference. During war, you do what it takes to win, plain and simple. (Think USA and Japan, WWII)

      As for being a bad book, I don't think so, it won a hugo back in the 60's.

      BWP

    4. Re:luna is a terrorist by itwerx · · Score: 3, Informative

      Heh, you're right, that isn't the best one to try first off. I'd try "Number of the Beast", "Stranger in a Strange Land" and "Time Enough for Love", in approximately that order.
      Heinlein always was a dirty old man, a male chauvinist pig and a bit of a bigot, with somewhat humorous/pitiful attempts to (over)compensate for these shortcomings in his books.
      However, he was a hell of a talented writer with a much broader vision than most sci-fi authors of his day and he also had to write for a society which (believe it or not) was a heck of a lot narrower minded then than it is now. If you can look past the shadows his own flaws cast on his writing you can discover some real works of art.

    5. Re:luna is a terrorist by foobar104 · · Score: 2

      Name me a revolution that doesn't include attacks on civilian targets and the murder of innocent people, and I'll... well... be very suprised.

      How about the American Revolution? Unless, of course, you consider British soldiers or crates of tea to be "civilian targets" or "innocent people."

      Surprise.

    6. Re:luna is a terrorist by LordLava · · Score: 1

      During the American Revolution, hundreds of Loyalists had to cross the border into Canada due to reprisals from the revolutionaries.

      Wanna try again?

    7. Re:luna is a terrorist by foobar104 · · Score: 2

      During the American Revolution, hundreds of Loyalists had to cross the border into Canada due to reprisals from the revolutionaries.

      Do your homework. Most of the loyalists who fled to Canada during the Revolution were soldiers, members of the Royal Regiment of New York and other organized fighting units. Violence against armed and organized enemy soldiers can hardly be considered in the same breath as violence against civilians.

      While there is other evidence-- mostly anecdotal, but some deriving from land grant records in the early 1780's-- that some refugees were civilians fleeing persecution in the Colonies, the consensus of opinion among historians is that these individuals and families were fleeing social and economic pressure, not out-and-out violence.

      You can-- and evidently should-- learn more here.

    8. Re:luna is a terrorist by packeteer · · Score: 1

      How is hurling rocks more acceptable than using nukes? Clearly are a sheep who has been brainwashed with "nuke = bad" BS. Ok so nukes arent very nice, neither are giant rocks. Both kill, both have the potential to be equally destructive. The weapons dont matter, you can only get so dead. And yes future revolutionaries SHOULD hold a higher grounds or morality. Look at some historical instances and you will see that whenever a revolution is more human the resulting body of control will be too. Whenever brutality is used it NEVER goes away.

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    9. Re:luna is a terrorist by karmawarrior · · Score: 1
      I could have sworn that Sam Adams was running a gang at the time that tarred and feathered anyone presumed to be sympathetic to the UK cause, or who was just ekeing out a living as, for instance, a tax collector.

      Civilians were brutalised? You bet.

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    10. Re:luna is a terrorist by Skjellifetti · · Score: 1

      From your "learn more here:"

      But other bands of Loyalists had been forced to escape from Albany, from the insults, boycotting and persecution of the "Minute Men" and "Committees of Safety," going north during 1775 and 1776 when Sir Guy Carleton provided for their temporary care at St. Johns, Chambly, Sorel, and Montreal.

      Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Many Loyalists joined the Loyalist regiments AFTER being severly persecuted for their beliefs. And remember, threats of violence against a population backed up with one or two "examples" may render violence against everyone unnecessary. The rest will leave "voluntarily."

      Disclaimer: My Great-Great-Something-Grandfather fought for Washington during the Battle of Manhatten, was wounded, and after recovering joined a Loyalist regiment. We don't know why he switched sides. He received a land grant in New Brunswick after the war.

    11. Re:luna is a terrorist by foobar104 · · Score: 2

      Many Loyalists joined the Loyalist regiments AFTER being severly persecuted for their beliefs.

      As I said in my last post, "insults, boycotting, and persecution," do not add up, in and of themselves, to violence. Loyalists fled the Colonies due to social and economic pressure, which is not the same thing as being the targets of organized military or paramilitary action. The question way (paraphrased) to name a revolution that didn't include organized attacks against civilians or civilian populations. Nothing we've talked about so far amounts to organized attacks against civilian populations.

      Disclaimer: My Great-Great-Something-Grandfather fought for Washington during the Battle of Manhatten, was wounded, and after recovering joined a Loyalist regiment.

      Traitor! ;-)

    12. Re:luna is a terrorist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He was a pussy?

    13. Re:luna is a terrorist by simonjester2424 · · Score: 1

      Hrmmm...well, from my nick. I would guess that anyone who has read the book can tell I have a couple times, not exactly my favorite, but I did like the name.
      For as much as I hate the way people write in self-righteous replies correcting information, it's hard not to here.
      Lets see: Nukes produce huge amount of lethal radation that can make an area inhostipitable for hundreds of thousands of years, their poisoin can drift far beyond the orginial target, easyily into areas totally un-afiliated. Nukes ARE bad. The hurling of big rocks was done seeking far treatment. If you read some of the other replies here, you'd know that only un-civilized areas were picked for targets, and that they were warned. If you read the book, you'd notice that the revolutionaries did hold themselves to a higher moralality. Stop calling people sheep when you don't even understand what they are "braying" about.

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    14. Re:luna is a terrorist by packeteer · · Score: 1

      Im not saying nukes are good, in fact they are BAD. I AM saying that hurling rocks are ALSO bad.

      How can you decide what is "un-civilized"? Some would say that hurling rocks is "un-civilized". Regardless of a "warning" which is no more than a threat, you can murder people.

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    15. Re:luna is a terrorist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "Nukes produce huge amount of lethal radation that can make an area inhostipitable for hundreds of thousands of years"

      Which of the many atomic bomb areas is inhospitable for hundreds of thousands of years? And do you mean a barren wasteland?

    16. Re:luna is a terrorist by Ozymandias_KoK · · Score: 1

      Cheyenne Mountain overlooks the city of Colorado Springs. It's not the best city in the world, but certainly un-civilized is a poor moniker.

      Hell, I didn't read the book, but from the sounds of it, they were hurling "big rocks" from the Moon? Seems to me that'd be fairly bad for the town close by. :)

  35. Regarding blender by cr@ckwhore · · Score: 2

    ... from the blender3d website...

    NaN Holding recognizes that, giving all circumstances and the current economic situation, moving on with Blender to this next stage will be the most beneficial thing to do, to protect past investments, but also to respect everything that has been realized until now by the NaN companies and the world-wide user community.

    NaN Holding being the current owner of blender, and supposedly seeing open source as the way to go... then what am I missing here? Why does the blender fund exist for the purpose of purchasing a development license from NaN?? Bueller?

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    1. Re:Regarding blender by tlhp514 · · Score: 1

      You just quoted the reason: "to protect past investments" They have to make money too, and in their case they had a piece of software that was not particularly viable except as an open source program. If you read the forums linked from the blender site you will find that most community members consider the 100k offer to be fair or even generous.

    2. Re:Regarding blender by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      NaN Holding being the current owner of blender, and supposedly seeing open source as the way to go... then what am I missing here?

      NaN went bankrupt.

      Why does the blender fund exist for the purpose of purchasing a development license from NaN?

      Because NaN holding has still the full rights of Blender, and the alternative is to bury them under 10 tons of concrete for the remainings of the times (well for like 50-100 years or so, the time to become public domain)

    3. Re:Regarding blender by Qbertino · · Score: 2

      Netventures is the major shareholder of NaN Holding. Netventures bought in the deal to free the sources for 100K Euro - which actually is quite cheap, conisdering they lost a good deal of money with NaN Holding.
      Ton Roosendahl (afaik amongst others), even though former CEO of late NaN and NaN Holding, only is a minority shareholder. He couldn't just free the source on his own without NV popping a serious cap in his ass, allthoug he's probably the one who's got the source in his drawer.
      Deal is as soon as NV get 100K they give their "All go" for GPLing Blender.

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  36. About anti-aliased fonts, and Joel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Joel doesn't qualify enough of his argument to be taken seriously.

    Firstly, all his arguments are against today's common resolutions. When viewed at a half-metre away a 6000x6000 resolution screen would be as detailed as most people can perceive, so there you start to see the limits of his complaint. Now we don't have those types of screens yet, and that should be his complaint. Anti-aliasing itself is perfectly valid, it's the combination of low-resolution and static images that should be blamed, but Joel always uses a wide brush.

    Secondly he writes saying that those who like anti-aliasing don't realise how it's blurry. That they're the blind zealot. He creates a weak person and then victoriously knocks them down. The nature of anti-aliasing is blurring. Everyone knows this. More accurately however it's the averaging of detail - as if the scene was rendered at many times the resolution and then scaled down to fit.

    He heaps praise on the Microsoft Typography group for 'noticing' that pixels are the units to build fonts out of. In saying so he either ignores or is ignorant of fonts that don't anti-alias at lower resolutions because of their rendering, and the concept of font-hinting which existed long before Microsoft existed.

  37. Ecotopia by pyrrho · · Score: 1

    Northern California secedes from the union. A journalist from the US travels in after a few years. It's realistically portrayed, but it's a matter of debate how possible such a society is. Still, interesting read for those that dabble in utopianism.

    Do I think it's a possible society... would it work? Parts were quite interesting in that way. More likely than Atlas Shrugged's world working out to it's promise. Of course, I'm biased because looking at history it's clear we've already tried Ayn's system, and it ended up in Feudalism and falling apart.

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    -pyrrho

    1. Re:Ecotopia by shepd · · Score: 1

      >Do I think it's a possible society... would it work?

      I don't think it would work. Silicon valley eats power for breakfast and the overwhelming majority of solutions presented by self-titled ecologists assume everyone is willing to live in tents and "compute" with a green-screen non-backlit gameboy level of computer.

      It ain't for me, and probably isn't for most of Northern California, no matter how much people there bluff their way into appearing to be super-ecologists.

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    2. Re:Ecotopia by pyrrho · · Score: 1

      I'm totally adicted to power and the rest. But I think the technology is green. Some aren't, for some period of time, but it tends to grow cleaner. Can you imagine living in a million person city 1000 years ago?! sewage literally in the streets.

      So I think you could have an ecotopia that has sufficient power. Personally I'm thinking hydrogen collected using solar energy on sea platforms.

      I think ecological thinking requires technology. The idea that tech is automatically un-eco is false, in my opinion. Perhaps you agree.

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      -pyrrho

    3. Re:Ecotopia by shepd · · Score: 1

      >The idea that tech is automatically un-eco is false, in my opinion. Perhaps you agree.

      I do, but where I disagree (maybe not with you, but with them) is that the ideas of many ecologists are:

      A) Workable
      B) Actually good for the environment

      A surprising amount of people who I've talked to that consider themselves ecologists would have everyone covering the city with solar collectors, while at the same time they complain about the black ashphalt streets increasing the city temperature and increasing the damage smog does to peoples' lungs. Solar collectors are black, and the amount required to power a house (without modifying the equipment in the house) would really require lining the property with black solar tiles. No net benefit, IMHO.

      Then they often suggest wind collectors, but there's just not the room for them in the average city, and you can't go around using up the farmland you eat from and expect not to starve.

      Then I suggest Nuclear Power (safe, reliable, and clean when used properly) and they have a meltdown.

      Why?

      Beats me.

      But I do agree, technology _can_ and _has_ solved many of the problems it has created. I don't doubt that it will solve the current temperature dips and rises we're experiencing (I have a really hard time with the "global warming" concept -- its been abused by eco-corporations far too often).

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    4. Re:Ecotopia by operagost · · Score: 1

      Don't forget the gagging noise they keep making as they try to say "hydro" but their subconscious keeps reminding them of the wildlife impact.

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  38. Utopia by ciurana · · Score: 2

    The Songs of the Distant Earth by Arthur C. Clarke.

    The story chronicles the happenings of two human civilisations: One, founded in the remote planet of Thalassa, colonized by humans in a distant past. The Thalassans live in peace and harmony, thought their lives are a bit dull. The other civilisation is a group of people from Earth who are just "passing by". The conflict arises when these two civilisations meet one another and...

    ...go read the book to find out. It's really cool, probably Clarke's best.

    Here is the link at Amazon -- check out the reviews.

    Cheers!

    E
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    1. Re:Utopia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They were never happy, they were just told they were. Kind of like the Simpsons: "Think Happy thoughts, think happy thoughts"

  39. And Thomas More... by Kafir · · Score: 1

    For non-novels, More's "Utopia" would be the other big classic utopia, since it's the source of the word. Meaning either "the good place," eu-topos, or "nowhere," ou-topos. Or, pessimistically but most likely, both.

    Neither's a real good read, though. Glaucon's such a yes-man.

  40. Free fonts? Free Microsoft! by mikey573 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think you have a good idea that does not go far enough. Let's not just free the fonts, let's free all of Microsoft and buy them out! I wonder what would happen if we (opensource community) all gained a majority control in Microsoft. Couldn't we just force them to become open/free/libre?

    1. Re:Free fonts? Free Microsoft! by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, even if you gained minority control you would still have a fiduciary duty to the noncontrolling shareholders. In fact, this is the only thing that keeps Bill from putting the company's $40 billion cash into a big bin a-la Scrooge McDuck and going skinny dipping in it.

    2. Re:Free fonts? Free Microsoft! by dh003i · · Score: 2

      I think even if you gained majority (i.e., 50+%) control, you still have to look out for the interests of the minority share-holders. You have an obligation to the minority share-holders to do what's in their best interest. Thus, if you OpenSourced all of MS' IP after acquiring it (yeah right), you'd be in for a major lawsuite.

    3. Re:Free fonts? Free Microsoft! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait, how would skinny dipping in money be bad for shareholders? Compromise: maybe just skinny dip in a few billion?

    4. Re:Free fonts? Free Microsoft! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Thus, we just gain full control of MSFT and call it a day. "Minority shareholders? What minority shareholders?"


    5. Re:Free fonts? Free Microsoft! by alienmole · · Score: 2

      Yeah, but shareholders would cringe at the image of a naked Bill Gates. If that's not a breach of fiduciary responsibility, I don't know what is!

  41. Shawshank by Sax+Maniac · · Score: 1
    Stephen King's Rita Hayworth and The Shawshank Redemption is one of my all-time favorite stories. If you're not a King fan, don't let him scare you off: there's not a single monster or bogeyman in there. Pure human emotion.

    The movie version, directed by Frank Darabont, is, in my opinion, the only movie ever made from a book that is better than the book. And considering it's a darn good book to begin with, that's saying a lot. (Okay, yeah, so it's my favorite movie of all time. I'm just a sucker for triumph-over-adversity movies.)

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    1. Re:Shawshank by charon_on_acheron · · Score: 1

      And for some reason they really downplayed the fact that the movie was based on a Stephen King story. I read the story years ago, and didn't realize the movie was based on it, because I had forgotten the title. (I never saw the movie though.) Then I was looking through some books, and saw the title, and a lightbulb went off.

      That one and "Stand By Me" were handled very well in that regard.

    2. Re:Shawshank by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All of the James Bond movies are better than the books, but that is mostly because the books are so incredibly bad.

  42. Re:Feel good? Or Utopian? There's a difference. by peeping_Thomist · · Score: 1
    Paradiso is pages and pages of crap about how wonderful heaven is. Boooooring.

    What any given reader finds boring depends on many factors outside the author's control. The fact that you find the Paradiso boring says more about you than about the Paradiso.

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  43. Ken Lay was a crook not a capitalist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I've been reading the various rants about Ayn Rand, objectivism, capitalism, Ken Lay and so on. A few have described Ken Lay as the ultimate capitalist in an attempt to discredit capitalism, Ayn Rand and objectivism. The problem with this association is that Ken Lay was a crook, not a capitalist, and certainly not typical of the protagonists in Atlas Shrugged. If anything, he is probably more similar to the antagonists of that book, for example James Taggert, with his treachery, greed, dishonesty, and manipulation. There is a vast difference between trying to make a lot of money (capitalism) and trying to make a lot of money by stealing it (Ken Lay). Nowhere in Atlas Shrugged did Ayn Rand suggest that deception should be used as a tool of a capitalist. As a matter of fact, there were many instances in the novel where the protagonists of the novel were taken advantage of because they did adhere to a higher moral code than the dishonest and manipulating government. In the novel, the government was the one stealing. The conflict was that the owners of industry wouldn't just hand everything over. They wanted to make it perfectly clear that the government was stealing. If it's not already clear, I really liked Atlas Shrugged.

    1. Re:Ken Lay was a crook not a capitalist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's ok, we all went through puberty, too. You'll grow out of it.

    2. Re:Ken Lay was a crook not a capitalist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Ken Lay was a crook, not a capitalist

      What is the difference?

  44. Utopia...sort of. by TheTrueELf · · Score: 2, Informative

    Ursula K. LeGuin's _The_Dispossessed_ is IMHO one of the best Utopian novels in print; especially since it avoids the flaws so many have already pointed out, namely, vociferous self-righteousness and non-existent human struggle.

    In a nutshell: physics genius from ascetic, cooperative anarchy on a quasi-prison planet travels to hedonistic, fragmented neighbor planet to revolutionize science across the galaxy.

    That summary is just SO inadequate...

    -ELf
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    Si tibi te corpus pulchrum habere narrem, habeasne id contra me?
    1. Re:Utopia...sort of. by TekkonKinkreet · · Score: 2

      Beat me to it. Coincidentally, I've been reading utopian novels for a month or so, including More's "Utopia" and Edward Bellamy's "Looking Backward". Both of these have, in my opinion, appalling authoritarian overtones, from the vantage of the early 21st century. Especially the latter, with talk of "mustering" people into the "industrial army". Yikes! But More's society required travel permits for leaving your neighborhood, and depended on slavery. Not so easy building a utopia.

      But I digress. "The Dispossessed" gets mentioned in the same breath as these. I'd already read it three or four times growing up and since. I think the key feature which the above summary misses is that from which the title is taken: citizens of Annares do not acquire or keep personal possessions. The other world is more or less like ours, politically and economically. This was in LeGuin's heavy dualist period, shortly after "Left Hand of Darkness". It owes much to LeGuin's admiration for Paul Goodman.

      For what its worth, every time I reread it, I find the language more beautiful and the human conflicts (whichever critic claimed it lacks them needs to read it again--or perhaps for the first time) more rivetting.

    2. Re:Utopia...sort of. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just wanted to seond that!

      "He was too conscious, at twenty, of the peculiarities of his mind and character to be outgoing; he was withdrawn and aloof; and his fellow students, sensing that the aloofness was real, did not often try to approach him."

      "So many of his problems were the kind other people did not understand that he had got used to working them out for himself, in silence."

      She's writing about me!

      Loved this book - absolutely brilliant.

    3. Re:Utopia...sort of. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, here's a useful link[www.wsu.edu] to study guide for The Dispossessed.

      He's also got a good one[www.wsu.edu] for A Canticle for Leibowitz by Walter M. Miller, as well as several others[www.wsu.edu].

      [No, I am not Professor Paul Brians nor do I know him.]

  45. feel good lit by howman · · Score: 1

    Clive Barker does not usualy come to mind when thinking of nice feel good lit, but his book Imagica was pretty good if not a bit long.
    Lest we never forget Doulas Adams... no need to title the books.

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    1. Re:feel good lit by mabinogi · · Score: 2

      I'm not sure I'd call any of Douglas Adams' books utopian....funny yes, but the way the were funny, was by illustrating all that is wrong with Life, the Universe and Everything

      I would hardly call a universe in which a planet is destroyed to make way for an interstellar bypass, with the occupants being told that they had a chance to view the plans in another galaxy somewhere, as Utopia.

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    2. Re:feel good lit by howman · · Score: 1

      I guess it depends on who you identify with in the books. personally I did not identify with Arthor dent, but rather with Trillian. From her point of view, it did not matter that her planet was gone, she was still there and that was good enough for her. I agree that the planet being blown up was a bummer, but the universe was a utopia within it's own subjective chaos.

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    3. Re:feel good lit by Marasmus · · Score: 2

      So Long, and Thanks for all the Fish was about as utopian as Adams' 'trilogy' got. Arthur Dent returning to Earth, hooking up with a girl, committing some very peculiar (but amusing) lewd acts, and finally taking off again into space to continue his adventures! And add to that Ford Prefect's obsession with Earth-nostalgia in classic films, and that leaves us with the most feel-good book of the Hitchhiker's 'Trilogy'. :) I'd think of it as an Utopian novel, all in all.

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  46. Utopia - L. Neil Smith's "The Probability Broach" by andrews · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you haven't read it, run, don't walk to Amazon and buy it now. Now that's my kind of "utopia". Government is a dirty word and everyone carries guns. They invented the internet in the 1800's.

    Seriously, Smith has written over 20 books with libertarian themes carried to their logical conclusions. They aren't preachy, but darn good plots and good characters you can actually like.

    Second place goes to anything by Heinlein.

    Read about it here.

  47. a fine utopia is this: by Kosi · · Score: 1

    White Mars (at least this is the German title translated back :-) by Roger Penrose (for those who do not know: he worked a lot together with Stephen Hawking) and a well known SF author whose name I don't remember now (book is lended).
    Story goes about how the first martian colony, which depends on earth's support, has to survive on its own when the earth's economy and nearly everything else breaks down.
    Very realistic from technology's view and an amazing picturing of human behaviour in such extreme situations.

  48. Not all fonts have to include Chinese by yerricde · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Before anyone here says that fonts are easy to make, you're probably forgetting the non-western character sets and the thousands of unicode characters.

    Just as there are fonts that specialize in "CJK" (Chinese Japanese Korean) glyphs, there can also be "LGC" fonts for Latin, Greek, and Cyrillic. A good font editor will have the user draw a bunch of glyphs representing A-Z in Latin, the Greek, Cyrillic, and IPA glyphs that do not match the Latin glyphs, and then some diacritics. Then from that data, it'll "compose" glyphs for the first 1500 or so characters in Unicode.

    Another optimization: when creating a new glyph, copy parts from similar glyphs and present them to the font designer for further work. For example, from b and p, you get (thorn). From D, you get Ð (edh). From l and n, you get h. From n, you can infer most of m. From f, you get long s, and from long s and normal s, you get ß.

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    1. Re:Not all fonts have to include Chinese by foobar104 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Um. That actually sounds like a terrible way to design a font. I've never done any font design myself, but I used to work for an agency that employed a guy who could. He was no Twohy or Slimbach or anything, but while I was there he designed three Latin-alphabet typefaces. He drew each glyph by hand on big sheets of paper, then scanned them and converted them to vector art. He spent weeks trying out tons of combinations of letters to see how the forms would look together, designing ligatures where it was appropriate. (A ligature is a single glyph that looks like two letters. The classic example is the "ae" ligature which looks like an "a" and an "e" smooshed together, but that's not terribly common. Every professional typeface, though, has ligatures for the letter combinations "fi," "ff", "fl", "ffi," and "ffl." Look at an "fi" in a book through a magnifying glass. You'll see that the bar of the f is connected to the i, and that the dot above the i is absent. It's a ligature.

      Anyway, my point is that designing usable general-purpose fonts is a lot more work than you imply here.

    2. Re:Not all fonts have to include Chinese by William+S.+Robinson · · Score: 1

      You seem very knowledgeable about fonts, something that's a tangled mystery -- and often (under Linux) a source of frustration -- to many users like me. Could you point to any resources for interested people to begin learning? Perhaps also a link to a program that fits your description of a "good font editor?"

      I've read many font FAQ's and HOWTO's, and the overlapping (and sometimes stale) information has just left me more confused than before...

      Will

    3. Re:Not all fonts have to include Chinese by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, not to rain on your parade or anything, I just checked two novels I had on hand. Neither uses the "fi" ligature example you gave.

      I do agree that typefaces that do include them look much more professional.

    4. Re:Not all fonts have to include Chinese by yerricde · · Score: 1

      Perhaps also a link to a program that fits your description of a "good font editor?"

      There is none that I know of; pfaedit has the most potential (because it's free software, and people who know both C and font design can add features that scratch their itches), but it's definitely not 'there' yet.

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  49. Utopia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Voltaire's Candide.

    Voltaire's Utopia is a memorable one. It serves as an example as to why such a place will never exist.

  50. Good god...Atlas Shrugged? by ColGraff · · Score: 2

    Good grief, how could anyone recommend inflicting that tome on another human being? It's nothing but boring plot used to tie together Objectivist monologues on the evils of supporting the non-productive members of a society! Not that I disagree, in principle, but there's a 40'page monologue in that thing! 40 damn pages of objectivism! That's too much to be healthy.

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    1. Re:Good god...Atlas Shrugged? by Etcetera · · Score: 2


      Atlas Shrugged: The book every haughty IB student seems to think encompasses the end-all and be-all of social philosophy.

      I did like her play "On the Night of January 16th" though (er, if that's what it was called... I don't remember...).

    2. Re:Good god...Atlas Shrugged? by user32.ExitWindowsEx · · Score: 1

      40? It's at least 70 pages.

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    3. Re:Good god...Atlas Shrugged? by naasking · · Score: 2

      Unfortunately, some people need that much drilling to get the correct idea into their heads. ;-)

    4. Re:Good god...Atlas Shrugged? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Come over here, and I'll drill something into your head, you holier than thou fuck nut.

      Havn't you got to go and kick some tramps to death?

      See, I can be an ignorant asshole too.

  51. Here's a possible way. by Paranoid · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Since many of the more slimey ones like to use open relays, perhaps that could be used to our advantage. A simple script which smelled like an open relay to anyone connecting to it, but in reality only placed messages in a queue for manual confirmation or something, could be used. Make it log everything anyone does to it, including full message contents, source address, traceroute info, whatever would prove useful in the court case. Its a simple variation on the honeypot theme, really.

    In fact, I think such a script may actually be worth writing. Hmmm. Does anyone have snort logs or something of the mechanism their probes use, or am I gonna have to write a full SMTP implementation?

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    Bwaahahahahaa.
    1. Re:Here's a possible way. by itwerx · · Score: 2

      Oooh! I LIKE that!! A sacrificial open relay! I know guys who have spam honeypots, but it's just to see who connects and block 'em, not to trap 'em!
      (Rubbing hands and chortling with glee)

    2. Re:Here's a possible way. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would probably be pretty easy to implement in Perl. There's both Net::SMTP::Server and NetServer::SMTP ready for your use.

  52. Writers have to eat by yerricde · · Score: 1

    People don't believe that the Internet is free and always will be. What they believe is that they should be able to pay a reasonable price to an ISP for access to a worldwide network.

    So they have an access to a network. But what use is a network with nothing good on it? Writers have to eat somehow. That's the whole cable TV model: pay the cable company for access to the network; watch the ads for access to the content.

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    1. Re:Writers have to eat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a writer and a content publisher I am still strongly opposed to any kind of intrusive advertising on pages.

      If you cant make a buck selling your actual content that you have to piss of your users (read salon.com's enevitable failure). Then you should get the fcsk out of the game.

      I make real money by providing real content to a specific demographic and I dont allow advertisments on my site.

      The answer is simple provide a product that people fucking want and are willing to pay for. A hit to your website != a sale and you should not expect to spam each visitor.

      If you went into a real-world store and a pack of sales people walked up to you all pitching you a different thing at once. You'd just say screw it and go next door where they dont do that.

      Why do content providers on the web think that they have the right to make money off a shitty product. If the person isnt willing to pay for it dont steal from them. Which is in effect what a popup add does as its a sale they cant say no to easily.

    2. Re:Writers have to eat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Excellent. Nice balls there Homer. How about using your real name and site? Jerk off.

  53. An opinion. Fair enough. by The+Grip+Reamer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "What a nightmare, a world full of objectivists."

    I've met a few who call themselves objectivists because they've read a chapter or two and think they've confirmed their Nietzchean views. If you've met any of these people and thought "this is objectivism," I can understand your opinion. I trust that it is subject to your ongoing appraisal.

    Atlas Shrugged presents neither dystopia nor utopia. Both notions are about the last irrevocable note a culture strikes. It shows the worst in men's spirits and the best -- two cultures. The last note of one isn't irrevocable and the note struck by the other isn't it's last.

  54. Pop up stopper does it for me.... by bons · · Score: 2

    Pop Up stopper does the job of killing pop up ads while allowing me to surf sites that actually "need" to pop up a new window.

  55. Utopia by dmiller · · Score: 2

    Brave New World - Aldous Huxley

    Laugh if you want, but as a member of this society you would likely be very happy and want for little.

  56. terry pratchett by ahoehn · · Score: 1

    Terry Pratchett is the most clever author I've ever ingested. (Well, I suppose I ingested his work, not him, just to make things clear.) And his novels all seem to have happy-everything-worked-out endings without seeming trite. His subtile and not so subtile satire might even make you a better person. Go ahead and pick up one of his discworld novels.

    And now, I'll mention Neal Stephenson. Not for any good reason, just so I'll get moderated up.

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  57. Re:Free fonts? Free Microsoft! FREE WILLY by dmiller · · Score: 2

    Don't forget that whale that crushed our Jimmy

  58. Brave New World as Utopian... by alphaseven · · Score: 2
    There was a fascinating take on Brave New World as Utopian in Houellebecq's The Elementary Particles, as one character puts it on page 187:
    "everyone says Brave New World is supposed to be a totalitarian nightmare, a vicious indictment of society, but that's hypocritical bullshit. Brave New World is our idea of heaven: genetic manipulation, sexual liberation, the war against age, the leisure society. This is precisely the world we have tried - and so far failed - to create"
    The Elementary Particles also is either Utopian/Dystopian depending on how you interpet those terms, and I highly recommend the book. (The author is an interesting character himself, seek out the interview where he tries to coerce the interviewer into sex).
    1. Re:Brave New World as Utopian... by lovebyte · · Score: 2

      I like Houellebecq. But most of his books are not translated into English. Houellebecq was a programmer before becoming a writer. He also wrote a book on Lovecraft. His officical website is http://www.houellebecq.info.
      A quote from him that I found on the website which might bring some light on the Utopia debate:
      Given the characteristics of the modern era, love can scarcely manifest itself anymore. Yet the ideal of love has not diminished. Being, like all ideals, fundamentally atemporal, it can neither diminish nor disappear. (Rester vivant ("To Stay Alive")).

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      I'll do it for cheesy poofs.

  59. George Washington was a terrorist? by kubrick · · Score: 3, Informative

    Wasn't Moon just a riff on the American Revolution, updated for the space age? Admittedly, the Founding Fathers didn't attack Britain directly, but that was probably due to lack of opportunity given the technology of the time.

    I read it in that sense because it seemed to fit with Heinlein's weird libertarian-fascist love of pioneers, and it seemed to be pretty thickly laid on, even down to using the Fourth of July etc.

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  60. Utopian novel suggestion by Draxinusom · · Score: 2, Informative

    "Dispossessed," by Ursula Le Guin. A lot of her work could be called utopian/dystopian, but this book is the one that really changed my personal views of what our world should be like.

  61. Socialist realism == Utopian writing by pschmied · · Score: 2
    Cement and How the Steel Was Forged are my votes for utopian novels. They are much more boring and devoid of artistry than their names would suggest. This is utopia: boring.

    Ironic that the Soviet socialist regime would produce canonical utopian writing while simultaneously providing creative material for truly disturbing stories like Nabokov's Bend Sinister.

    Is it too late to weigh in with Bend Siniter as my vote for a distopian novel? It is the sort of book you read exactly once.

  62. Your First Encounter by The+Grip+Reamer · · Score: 1

    "Ken Lay is a supreme capitalist."

    That remains to be seen. But because your antipathy to him is palpable, that statement looks a lot like an attempt at erecting a straw man. In a mixed economy two sorts of men may become successful. One depends upon the voluntary cooperation of his partners and customers. The other depends on deception and political connections. Naturally, men exist who can attribute their success to some combination of these two factors. But only the first is capitalist.

    "Isn't capitalism supposed to lead to a perfect universe if everyone just is allowed to be as greedy as they want?"

    Interesting premise. But false. The universe is already "perfect" so to speak. Man cannot change the laws of nature. A man can only change himself (how he rules himself) -- and defend himself. Your use of the word "allowed" reveals a lot, though. Precisely who is "booted and spurred" to decide who may not benefit himself and in what way? And why?

    The student who called a student activities fee a form of taxation is no objectivist. Sounds more like what I'd call an "idiot". A little perspective: when purchasing an education, "fees" are part of the ongoing agreement between the student and the institution. There are many schools to choose from. Only governments tax. What a maroon.

    However, it *is* true that information is not necessary to make a free decision. It won't be a very good decision -- a better word would be "whim" or "caprice" -- but it will be a free decision.

    Information *is* necessary to make -- surprise -- an *informed* decision. Establishing a personal policy of gathering relevant information is a good idea. How much information does that take?

    "In general, absolutists are dangerous ..."

    Interesting assertion. To whom? In my experience, the only dangerous people (to me) are irrational. If you disagree with that perhaps you can tell me how rational people can be dangerous to each other. I'll cede the point that -- when provoked -- rational people can (and should) be dangerous to irrational people.

    "In general, absolutists ... can be easily painted into logical corners."

    Relativists can escape any constraints. But they can't bring their principles with them.

    "They refuse to bend a principle"

    Principles stand or break. Anything that bends is a sorry excuse for a principle. What happens when principles break depends on whether the person is honest or dishonest. An honest person scuttles a lesser principle when he learns that it contradicts a greater principle. A dishonest person deludes himself into believing he actually had any principles.

    "... to bend a principle leading to interesting contradictions ..."

    How does "bending" a "principle" produce anything other than contradictions?

    -B...

    1. Re:Your First Encounter by foobar104 · · Score: 2

      Only governments tax. What a maroon.

      Heh. I love the little synchronicities in life. Just these past few days, that's become something of a catch-phrase among myself and my co-workers. "What a maroon. What an ultra-maroon. What a nin-cow-poop."

      The world's a big place, big enough for anything. Right now, somewhere, a baby is being born, an old person is dying, and somebody is saying, "What a maroon. What an ultra-maroon. What a nin-cow-poop."

    2. Re:Your First Encounter by foobar104 · · Score: 2

      In my experience, the only dangerous people (to me) are irrational.

      It depends on how "dangerous" is used in context. It's quite likely that the irrational person should be a danger to the rational person, if you interpret "dangerous" to mean "a threat to the rationality of the rational person." How many otherwise rational people have been swayed into irrational opinions or beliefs through the persuasion of an irrational but charismatic individual?

      In all people, there appears to be a sort of animal hind-brain that wants to be told what to do. Sentience is a burden, and it's one that we are all to quick to shrug off if given half a chance.

      Relativists can escape any constraints.

      The joke made over lunch today:

      Dave: There are no absolutes in our culture. There's an exception to every rule.

      Me: Gee, Dave, I don't think you can make a blanket statement like that.

    3. Re:Your First Encounter by The+Grip+Reamer · · Score: 1

      If you define a "rational person" as one who *tends* to make rational decisions, then I agree with you. But the danger isn't in the persuader's charisma, it's in his/her irrationality. In fact, that goofy Heaven's Gate leader was practically anti-charismatic by most accounts.

      But there is another level to this. A person who commits to a policy of Reason in all matters, inward and outward, is essentially "disabling root access" to such charismatic nut-cases (while still enjoying, on occasion, what curious entertainment may be offered by the less insidious ones). The same person refuses, as a matter of pride, to remain in the "default setting": the animal hind-brain. To this person, sentience is a burden proudly borne.

      The alternative is horrible. Devoid of rational faculty, Man is the least feasible animal on the planet -- a pushover for Nature.

      Lovin' the Dave gag. You don't get a straight line like that every day! :-D

      -B...

    4. Re:Your First Encounter by naasking · · Score: 2

      Relativists can escape any constraints. But they can't bring their principles with them.

      Ooo... good one. Mind if I quote you on that? :-)

    5. Re:Your First Encounter by naasking · · Score: 2

      How many otherwise rational people have been swayed into irrational opinions or beliefs through the persuasion of an irrational but charismatic individual?

      Then they weren't very rational to begin with hm? ;-)

      It is quite possible to foster a habit of constant questioning and skepticism (especially of "authority figures"). Indeed, it is necessary for any hope of true rationality.

    6. Re:Your First Encounter by foobar104 · · Score: 2

      Then they weren't very rational to begin with hm?

      Bah. Your tautologies hold no interest for me.

    7. Re:Your First Encounter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The student who called a student activities fee a form of taxation is no objectivist. Sounds more like what I'd call an "idiot". A little perspective: when purchasing an education, "fees" are part of the ongoing agreement between the student and the institution.

      Hmm...
      Tax (source: Merriam-Webster Online): "1 a : a charge usually of money imposed by authority on persons or property for public purposes b : a sum levied on members of an organization to defray expenses"

      Tax (source: Dictionary.com): "2. A fee or dues levied on the members of an organization to meet its expenses."

      It seems to me that university fees are indeed taxes.

      There are many schools to choose from. Only governments tax. What a maroon.

      Are you saying that if you could go to, say, Harvard (or MIT, or Northwestern, or some other highly regarded school) or somewhere else for free, except Harvard would require you to pay $200 in fees every semester, that you wouldn't go to Harvard?
      Or am I not understanding your point?

    8. Re:Your First Encounter by naasking · · Score: 2

      It's the only way to resolve the contradiction.

      p: person is rational

      q: person is swayed by irrational arguments

      p->~q <=> T

      ~p OR ~q

      Can only be true when p is false.

    9. Re:Your First Encounter by foobar104 · · Score: 2

      You're attempting to prove that only irrational people get swayed by irrational arguments by taking as a given that rational people are not swayed my irrational arguments. Borrr-ing.

      Nothing personal, but your comment was a waste of tablespace.

    10. Re:Your First Encounter by naasking · · Score: 2

      You're attempting to prove that only irrational people get swayed by irrational arguments by taking as a given that rational people are not swayed my irrational arguments.

      rational
      adj 1: consistent with or based on or using reason;

      How needlessly complicated would you make it?

    11. Re:Your First Encounter by mrscorpio · · Score: 1

      You can give up now. You've obviously painted this sap into a corner that they can't escape, so instead of beating you with facts or logic, they're just going to try to disclaim your thoughts. Congratulations, you won the debate! :)

      Chris

    12. Re:Your First Encounter by quinto2000 · · Score: 2

      I'm not a relativist; I consider myself sympathetic to utilitarian principles, although there are certainly some principles I would not bend. Your delusion that someone must be either an absolutist or a total moral relativist is revealing. I think both moral relatavists and absolutists will run into problems when they attempt to deal with the real world.

      --
      Ceci n'est pas un post
    13. Re:Your First Encounter by naasking · · Score: 2

      Your delusion that someone must be either an absolutist or a total moral relativist is revealing.

      Can you explain how it could be any other way? Either morals are fixed and are thus absolute, or they can change and are thus relative. Saying they are both is violating the Principle of Non-Contradiction.

    14. Re:Your First Encounter by quinto2000 · · Score: 2
      I've already adressed this in another comment, but also consider that admitting to an objective reality does not mean that all things must be viewed objectively. We can decide that some matters have room for subjectivity. This person is not an Objectivist, but he is not a relativist, since he can apply discrimination. He is, fact, a critical thinker. Neither Absolutists nor Relativists can apply any discrimination. Absolutists see only one correct solution, and relativists see no correct solution.

      My position is that politics falls squarely into the realm of opinion. That is to say, we can evaluate various policies, but that does not imply that there is an objective "best" policy for every situation.

      Most interesting scientific truths are also relative in this way; there are several correct ways of viewing them. Weight, speed, length, are all relative. This is a consequence of Relativity (which you clearly do not understand.)

      --
      Ceci n'est pas un post
    15. Re:Your First Encounter by naasking · · Score: 2

      I've already adressed this in another comment, but also consider that admitting to an objective reality does not mean that all things must be viewed objectively. We can decide that some matters have room for subjectivity.

      You seem to embrace subjectivity for convenience's sake, and I take issue with this. It's akin to the "worse is better" programming philosophy; it gets things done quickly, but in the long run it breaks down and has to be done over again. Instead why not put more upfront effort and design it right the first time? Do you think the founding fathers just pulled crap out of their hats when they wrote the constitution? I'm sure they went through painstaking effort to try and balance the system such that freedom would be maintained. And it's still going today.

      Most interesting scientific truths are also relative in this way; there are several correct ways of viewing them. Weight, speed, length, are all relative. This is a consequence of Relativity

      They are relative to a frame of reference but are absolute within that frame. Similarly, a conclusion is relative to the set of premises you begin with, but within any given set of premises, there is an absolute, best solution.

    16. Re:Your First Encounter by MechaStreisand · · Score: 1

      But that is not a victory... that's nit-picking. Saying "if rational people are swayed by irrational arguments, they aren't rational" isn't bringing anything interesting to the argument and is also missing the point entirely.

      For instance: If you define a rational person as someone whose every decision is rational, then no, by definition they will never be swayed by any irrational arguments, but since their logical abilities must be perfect all the time (in order for them to be rational by your definition), they also don't exist in real life.

      If you instead define a rational person as someone who usually makes only rational decisions (as this rational person does), then they can occasionally slip up, as real people do, and be swayed by some irrational arguments, and p no longer implies ~q... so your argument no longer holds.

      The lesson here? Choosing definitions to suit your argument doesn't add anything to the discussion. Tautologies like that are NOT useful in real life.

      --
      Disclaimer: IANAL. This post is, however, legal advice, and creates an attorney-client relationship.
  63. How about the obvious one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Utopia by Sir Thomas More. He did, after all, come up with the word. (translated literally from Latin means "no place")

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  65. Uptopian novels by hunterellinger · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here are my favorites, with political viewpoints that range from conservative to libertarian to anarchist to socialist:
    • Red/Green/Blue Mars (Robertson) -- the recent trilogy that brilliantly captures the accelerating possibilities of technological contributions to changing things for the better, with all the heroic struggle anyone could want
    • The Moon is a Harsh Mistress (Heinlein) -- an intelligent blend of revolutionary politics, radical family structure, self-organizing libertarian economics, and the possibilities of intelligent computers
    • The Dispossessed (LeGuin) -- egalitarian anarchy examined critically but lovingly (a good antidote to Rand)
    • Islandia (Wright) -- an anti-"progress" utopia from about 1900 that is surprisingly attractive, although its vision of a society knit together by family and location loyalties and a shared literature is by this time something that we would have to re-create rather than just hold onto.

    Utopias are becoming more important as people become more powerful (e.g., computers, genetics, potential global prosperity), since the future is going to be largely be something we create rather than just witness. This makes dystopias more important too, but as cautionary tales rather than defeatist predictions.

    Another novel I like that contains all the elements -- a utopia, a dystopia, and our present time (that will determine which path is taken) -- is Woman on the Edge of Time by Marge Pearcy

    1. Re:Uptopian novels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Red/Green/Blue Mars

      These books are _horrible_. The story is wholly predictable, and the characters _absolutely_ one-dimensional. The science is very weak after a very short period of time, and the author seems to get caught up in his eco-socialistic wet dream.
      Best characters: Sax Russel, Frank Chalmers
      Best book: Probably Red Mars, but they're all pretty crappy
      Worst character: Anne

      That said, if you have two or three days free, don't expect much, they're an acceptable 1800 or so pages of reading.

    2. Re:Uptopian novels by snake_dad · · Score: 2
      The Moon is a Harsh Mistress (Heinlein)

      I've been reading a lot of Heinlein the past months, and it seems that most of his books are based on hope for a better future. Not all books, but certainly many of them. Just keep in mind that the books were written more then a few years ago.

      e.g.: the last short story I read, the name escapes me for now, deals with living on the moon. A huge cave has been sealed, and is being used for air storage, at 2 atmosphere pressure IIRC. The low gravity and high air density makes it possible for people to fly, with wings attached to the arms. I can only imagine the joy :)

      That was a relatively simple example of what I meant, many times I closed one of his books and all I could think was "Wow..". Feel Good books indeed.

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  66. Utopian novel: by netfunk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The only thing I can find that is a (happy) Utopian novel is B.F. Skinner's Walden II, which is honestly a very interesting read. The book interested largely in the mechanics and psychology required for such a society, with just enough plot to keep Skinner's ideas moving.

    I have been told that it was the basis for Brave New World in some form or another, but it might just be Skinner's ideas that Huxley was borrowing from/parodying.

    I suppose you could count the original Walden (which has no relation to Walden II beyond the idea of utopia), but living alone doesn't qualify as Utopia...after all, the reasons that Utopias fall apart are...other people.

    Sartre was right, after all.

    Also, the concept of "Utopia" is usually written about for the sense of irony...reference 1984...plus we can find lots of stories like Animal Farm: good intentions turned to mud by human flaws. The point of Utopia, from a writers view, is to trample on it, generally. Take that for what it's worth.

    --ryan.

    --
    Don't say, "don't quote me," because if no one quotes you, you probably haven't said a thing worth saying.
    1. Re:Utopian novel: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Communes have been founded based on Walden II, the one I know about is Twin Oaks in Virginia. I visited them some decades back, and I think they are still going.


      They did find, however, that goats do not work that well as lawnmowers...

  67. Utipoia as Dystopia by Samrobb · · Score: 3, Interesting
    A favorite of mine is Villains by Necessity by Eve Forward...
    What if good were so totally triumphant that it became a worse danger than evil, and a band of unemployed evil characters had to go on a desperate quest to find the means of putting the saving bit of evil back into the world?
    --
    "Great men are not always wise: neither do the aged understand judgement." Job 32:9
  68. Blender by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You'd better of donating your money to the blender fundation to have a free 3D modeler than paying his craps.

  69. Fonts and the public domain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is there a copyright for fonts the same way as there is for prose?

    Many fonts (the 'classics') were first laid hundreds of years ago, perhaps we don't need to start with paid, original works, but rather focus on the standards (Times Roman, Courier, etc.).

    Just a thought.

    1. Re:Fonts and the public domain by Koschei · · Score: 1

      From what I recall, with books you can copyright the content but not the title. With fonts, you can copyright the name, and the implementation, but not the look.

      Thus you can Palatino, Paladin, Pembroke, etc. All the same font, just different implementations.

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      -- koschei
  70. Thanks a lot. by endquotedotcom · · Score: 1

    I'm halfway through Atlas Shrugged and didn't know it was a utopian novel. It seems pretty dystopic so far to me. Thanks for ruining it! Hmph!

  71. Re:Feel good? Or Utopian? There's a difference. by Herkum01 · · Score: 1

    Novels that tell a story of triumph against all odds, winning out against the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune... those are the stories that speak to the real human condition of fighting adversity

    This is qoute from a book "Pawns of Chaos" that I read recently, and seems to be a good fit here.

    Nothing stands in the way of the ultimate annihilation of everything,' the god Gulzacandra told him through Hycilla. 'In the end, everything possessed of life returns to air and ash and dust, and everything returns to listlessness. All that matters is how things burn. Not how quickly, but how. How could one delight in taking the side of Chaos, in being Chaos, if there were no Order to make a game of it? Where is the spice in easy victory? Where is the pride, the job, the sense of achievement, the triumph? I need enemies, Dathan, even more than I need allies. There is nothing quite so precious to me as a traitor. But it does work the other way around. Remember that, Dathan, when you begin to feel again. Order cannot tolerate traitors, or weaklings, or maladjustment, or creativity. Order needs nothing but order, and calm of mind. You can have that if that's what you decide to want, when you become capable of wanting anything at all, but you might do better to choose otherwise.

  72. block spam during SMTP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It seems to me that the most benefit of blocking spam is going to be during the SMTP exchange. Once my mail server has accepted the mail message, there's (typically) no way for me to push back at the spammer.

    How can I get my qmail to run this statistical thing during the SMTP and then abort the SMTP exchange so that it remains in the relays queue?

  73. Utopia by PhunkySchtuff · · Score: 1

    For a fantastic utopian, hedonistic society, go and pick up any of Ian M Banks' Culture Novels.
    Any of them are good starting points, they may mention parts of other novels in passing, however not knowing the novel in question doesn't lessen the enjoyment.
    Excession is a classic space opera based around the Culture universe, if you can't decide which one to pick up, get this one
    -- k

  74. Rarely known utopia - Ecotopia by iamsure · · Score: 2

    Its a bit too dreamy, but definitely highlights some brilliant ideas. Ecotopia is a VERY nice vision of the future.

    1. Re: Rarely known utopia - Ecotopia by elemental23 · · Score: 2

      I was just thinking of that one while reading this. I may not agree with everything the Ecotopians did, but it's a fairly thought-provoking book.

      For those who haven't read it:

      Ecotopia
      Ernest Callenbach
      ISBN: 0553348477

      Have you read Ecotopia Emerging? I've always meant to read that but I haven't thought about either book in years now. I wonder if I should pick it up.

      --
      I like my women like my coffee... pale and bitter.
  75. Un-rant by The+Grip+Reamer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Let it just be said that this Romantic tried to call her poor justifications objectivity for a good reason... to hide the lack of any internal coherency."

    You're on. Name the lapses in coherency.

    "At least half the people that "like" her simply don't understand her and buy the surface level rhetoric of libertarean objectivity."

    You're right about that. I've met them. But you're a reasonable chap, right? So you won't call "objectivist" one who claims it for himself falsely, then, will you?

    "She hated Libertarians,"

    Yes, she did. Her political philosophy was grounded in her ethics and more deeply in her epistemology. It's evident that she believed serious political reform was untenable without a major philosophical evolution. How can a government protect rights they don't believe in? The Libertarians believe there are political solutions to philosophical problems (actually they don't acknowledge the problems are philosophical in nature -- it'd undermine their ringquest). And they don't care to ground their political notions in sound philosophy. As a result they're just shifting dogma like those of the other parties. The LP is well on its way to becoming yet another party (albeit a tiny one) awash in moral pragmatism.

    That said, I've voted for their candidate on occasion, when I think it's the best of the available choices. And because the two major parties no longer offset each other as well as they have in the past.

    ""Objectivity" for her refers to the cold hard outlook, the ability to step over a homeless person, not in the scientific sense of subjecting one's hypothesis to doubt and test."

    This is nonsense. A.) When does she step over a homeless person? In what book of hers? In what historical account? As I recall, in Atlas Shrugged, she has Dagny enjoy dinner with a tramp on her train. While it was not for charity, she was aware of the value of the meal to the tramp -- and she treated him respectfully. What would you have preferred? A kiss? Jeez. B.) In science, hypotheses are not "subjected" to "doubt", just to test. Courageous scientists enjoy subjecting hypotheses to the strictest tests because they marvel at those which remain standing. They maintain no affection toward false hypotheses. Because Rand shares none of her own personal introspection with you, you assume there'd been none? Read more. Objectivism isn't about spouting fiat and watching the world morph into spires of glass and steel. It's about determining and stating one's desire, finding out what it takes to accomplish it, and then doing it.

    "Nietzsche is a much better way to spend your youthful rebellion against the herd."

    Rebellions against herds are for the so-called non-conformists. They're blind to the irony that their ideals are determined by others -- that they've evaded the task of selecting their ideals. What happens when their "enemies" change their ideals? Do they lose the enemy or swap ideals? It's not about what you're against. It's about what you're *for*.

    "She [...] was justifying why men that rise to the top of the capitalist world, like Ken Lay, are a better sort of people, period."

    There are characters in Atlas Shrugged who "rose to the top" of their world who were most assuredly not capitalists. They were, in fact, villains. Perhaps you should consider reading the book.

    "Rand is actually quite dangerous, I think."

    Not really. She was short and out of shape. And now she's dead. But perhaps you mean to say that her ideas are quite dangerous. In the sense that they arm rational people against an irrational era, you're right.

    "She represents an anti-rationalism which is always a key ingredient in fascism."

    The "key ingredient" in fascism is the belief that the State is the creator/grantor of all rights. One would have to be anti-Reason to take this view. Please demonstrate how Ayn Rand supported this view. Take your time.

    -B...

    1. Re:Un-rant by karmawarrior · · Score: 1
      The "key ingredient" in fascism is the belief that the State is the creator/grantor of all rights. One would have to be anti-Reason to take this view.
      Actually that's BS, and sounds like the classic "Any type of totalitarianism can be lumped into one ideology" that seems so popular at the moment.

      The key ingredient in fascism, the core around which the entire philosophy is based, is "racial superiority". From that, the rest of the system follows. Totalitarianism usually comes into it through that ideology's refusal to put freedoms at the core instead, and the implied group-right given to a type of people, for which something or someone needs to be available to take up that right.

      Is it anti-Reason? While I'd agree it is, because the central concept of racial superiority is anathema to me, there are plenty on the right who have decided that it is reason to suppose that one "race" has superiority over others, usually using the "winner takes all" type philosophies popular amongst the right-wing family of ideologies. I don't doubt Rand would have opposed fascism. I think though it might be worth your while finding exactly who did support Hitler before assuming that he lacked libertarian-type support.

      I do believe that the type of libertarianism most commonly espoused at the moment, one where issues to do with personal freedom are smothered by supposedly more important issues to do with economic freedoms and the right of an individual to infringe on the liberties of another through legal coertion, the control of supply, the use of inherited advantages and the acceptance of social blackmail, can lead to, or support, fascism and fascist regimes. And Rand, whether she supported Hitler or not, is a part of that type of libertarianism.

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      KMSMA (WWBD?)
    2. Re:Un-rant by Azghoul · · Score: 1

      I love the babblers like this guy who believe that HE, of ALL people, know exactly what "the Libertarians" reallllllly think.

      Come on, you have no idea what's going on inside the head of an average L/libertarian, much like I have no idea what's really going on inside yours.

      And you think the Libertarians have no philosophy? Surely you're joking.

    3. Re:Un-rant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Objectivism isn't about spouting fiat and watching the world morph into spires of glass and steel. It's about determining and stating one's desire, finding out what it takes to accomplish it, and then doing it.

      since you seem to have a pretty good grasp on her philosophy, i was wondering if you could do me (heck, everyone here) a huge favor, and shed some light on the appeal of her philosophy.

      i'll have to admit i don't really understand her appeal. her point of view seems to be basically nihilist (russian variety, but sprinkled with free market enthusiasm for flavor ;). but the moral difficulties of nihilism are legion (e.g. cf. camus), and i can't see how this view could be at all appealing to anyone familiar with any bit of 20th century philosophy.

      but perhaps i'm missing something. could you - or anyone still reading this thread - shed some light on this? how does ayn rand's philosophy overcome the moral problems of nihilism?

  76. utopia book - highly recommended by unger · · Score: 1

    [could a moderator please bump this up? this book hasn't been mentioned yet, and i doubt many folks have heard of it. anyway, i suspect most people would be greatful to find out about it. thanks.]

    The Kin of Ata Are Waiting for You

    here's an excerpt from an amusing review at amazon:

    ". . . I have just been blown away by The Kin of Ata. . . . I am not easily swayed by words.I am a Marine,a Harvard MBA, a CPA, a spouse of some years, a parent of four children, an awesome dude. . . ."

    none of the reviews give a very good summary of the book, and there's no way for me to construct a concise description. give it a chance, i doubt you'll regret it.

  77. Earthlink should offer WebWasher by Animats · · Score: 2
    Earthlink should go all the way, and offer WebWasher service. WebWasher goes way beyond stopping popups - it stops banner ads, too.

    So far, WebWasher has removed 270,110 banner ads for me. Including the ones on Slashdot. WebWasher can double the speed of page loads on dialup connections, just by eliminating the ad traffic. Yes, a few sites detect WebWasher, but you probably don't want to look at them anyway.

    WebWasher needs some work; the individual version isn't being updated. But it's still ahead of the competitive products.

    After using WebWasher for a year, I've almost forgotten that the Web used to have advertising.

  78. Kim Stanley Robinson, Utopia by aleph+ · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Under the category of utopian novels, I nominate Pacific Edge, the third of the Three California's trilogy by Kim Stanley Robinson. Each of the three books tells an alternative future of Orange County California. The first is post-apocalyptic, the second is dystopian, and the third is eco-utopian. In Pacific Edge he tells a story of the struggles of a 2065 community fifty years after the US collectively decided to abandon heavy industry, outlaw large corporations, and replace concrete metropolis cities with small sustainable interconnected communities. Without preaching, Robinson draws the reader into the story of his characters' lives in this naturally beautiful could-be world. Another gem from the author of the Red-Green-Blue Mars trilogy.

  79. Um... Check Again by Macgruder · · Score: 1

    Given the premise that the cycle of mining water, growing wheat, and shipping said wheat to Earth constituted a continual bleeding of resources of the moon, I don't see how the Lunies had any choice but to revolt.

    Luna gave the Earth plenty of time to come to terms, work out a reasonable settlement (ship us your waste, we'll processs it and send it back pound for pound of wheat).

    And (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) but the only time the civilian populace was hurt was when a group of them camped out to watch the rock fall, right under the announced target site.

    The spaceport at Dallas, and SF, were military targets. Many times, they threatened to hit the Tak Mahal, but always declined to take the shot, not wanting to destroy a priceless peice of history / architecture.

    Pretty reasonable for terrorists, if you ask me.

    --
    I'm not crazy,I'm actively irresponsible.
    1. Re:Um... Check Again by Fred+Ferrigno · · Score: 1

      Checking... yep. I still hate the book.

      The straw that broke the camel's back was when they blew up the Golden Gate Bridge (like I said in my post). They lofted a rock into San Francisco Bay, taking out "a few bridges they're quite fond of" (forgive me on the wording). The Taj Mahal is a historic landmark and the Golden Gate Bridge isn't? That was a real turning point for me in the book, and I wanted to just stop reading then and there. I put up with the book and it didn't get any better.

    2. Re:Um... Check Again by JimPooley · · Score: 2

      The Taj Mahal is a historic landmark and the Golden Gate Bridge isn't?

      Depends on your definition, I suppose. By comparison with the Taj Mahal, the first coat of paint on the Golden Gate isn't yet dry...

      --

      "Information wants to be paid"
  80. Red/Green/Blue Mars by szap · · Score: 1

    Does the Red Mars, Green Mars, Blue Mars series by Kim Stanley Robinson count as Utopia or the building of one?

    It isn't peachy keen all the time, but it did have: an alternative economy, longevity treatment (up to a few hundred years), a large focus on ecology of the planet.

    Rather whimpsical towards the ending, and two characters at odds with each other for a couple of hundred years got finally hitched up... I guess that would qualify as "feel good" if you haven't fallen asleep at that point!

    1. Re:Red/Green/Blue Mars by swv3752 · · Score: 1

      Mars and the Solar system became Utopias, while Earth was definately dystopian.

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      Just a Tuna in the Sea of Life
  81. some Utopian novels by danny · · Score: 2
    A small list: Be warned, however, that some of these are reasonably depressing, despite being about utopias...

    Danny.

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    I have written over 900 book reviews
  82. You too? by God!+Awful · · Score: 2

    I think there's a club for people who can't finish reading Infinite Jest. It includes me and another guy I know. We discuss the first 100 pages every now and again. I haven't had so much trouble reading a book since that 5th book in the Foundation trilogy, and that was 15 years ago.

    -a

    1. Re:You too? by Disevidence · · Score: 1

      The 5th book in the foundation trilogy huh? I can see why you didn't get very far.

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  83. Dogs dream about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Chasing! If you look at the eyelids, during REM sleep they're moving like mad. Sometimes you see the legs twitching, I think this is a reaction to seeing something like a "prey" in the dream.

    Of course, they might dream of different things too. If you go to a new house and new surroundings during the day, he might see the house in sleep. Kind of like humans. Of course, the dog can't explain to us, as we don't understand the language.

    1. Re:Dogs dream about... by foobar104 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Chasing! If you look at the eyelids, during REM sleep they're moving like mad. Sometimes you see the legs twitching, I think this is a reaction to seeing something like a "prey" in the dream.

      I think that's reasonable, but I have to wonder if he's dreaming about chasing or about being chased. It bothers me to think of my dog having nightmares. Which is kind of strange, because I'm not really a dog person, especially-- the dog is my girlfriend's, and I inherited him when we moved in together. But thinking of my dog lying there alone, in the dark, afraid of something... that bothers me more than I'd care to admit. So when he's dreaming, I always put my hand on him to either comfort him or wake him up a little, and he calms down. Of course, if he was dreaming about chasing pork spare ribs through an endless meadow, then I just royally fouled that up for him, didn't I?

      I don't suppose it makes much sense to spend time thinking about dog dreams. But I do, I do.

  84. Utopian novels by Yukse · · Score: 1

    "Momo" by Michael Ende. Not only poetic and beautiful, but also subversive.

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  85. Utopians: Rand & Heinlein by drwho · · Score: 1

    Yes Atlas Shrugged and The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress. Both books (and their authors) have flaws but are really quite good.

    But you know I am so damned tired of whiney communists/'greens' and their ilk. Yea, the planet can get fucked up by messy idiots. However, they seem to revel in picking on western civilization, especially the US, in its contribution to the problem. There's a lot of GOOD that's come out of science and technology relating to fixing the mess, yet these luddites cast their eyes longingly at the 'simple tribal societies' of the third world, while damning technological progress! The same people who can't explain to me what food is 'organic' and what is not, seem to think that they can somehow use their 'love of mother earth' as a substitute for rational thought in molding environmental policy.

    If you really want to see the world become cleaner, figure stop hugging trees and start driving a GreaseCar, or find out about the advantages and disadvantages of a Tesla Turbine, etc.

  86. The Un-Un-rant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
    I've always wondered where the morality can lay in an outlook on life that says, in a nutshell, "It's ok to be greedy and selfish. Anything else is just kidding yourself." I highly doubt Ayn would have been able to write things like, "I swear---by my life and my love of it---that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine." if there hadn't been altruists. People who did live, and die, for her sake to allow her to live in a place that was relatively free. Free enough to allow her to write the inane bullshit such as the line I previously quoted. Gosh, where would she be if she'd had to stay in her homeland of Russia in the 1920s?

    If all there had ever been were her jacked-up laissez-faire free-market bulldogs, solely in pursuit of a profit and freely pursuing their 'rights' to wealth and property, most of us would be dirt poor peasants, licking the feet of dirty fucking despots and warlords. No thank you. Ayn can live in the might-makes-right Utopia of her mind. (Assuming there's an afterlife. Maybe hell is getting what you wished for in life.) Personally, I don't think a little altruism is a very bad thing at all.

    I can kind of see why she might react so violently against altruism. She came from the early 1900s Russia which was just finishing up going through a revolution and much corruption was already being seen. Communism was meant to be, basically, the ultimate form of altruism, but it failed (and continues to fail, even to this day). However, flying directly to the other end of the spectrum and saying anything goes is not the answer either. Letting free markets decide what is best for people is as stupid as letting an oligarchic government decide what is best for people. It's just letting one minority (the richest 1%) replace another minority (a fascistic, or possibly communistic government) in making decisions for everyone.

    It's inexcusable, short-sighted, anti-dogmatic-turned-dogmatic drivel. Rand's 'philosophy' may have a few good grains of worth in it, but overall it's crawling with mealbugs and needs to be tossed aside for a better harvest. If you want rational people to be armed, they're going to have to read a lot more than a few Ayn Rand books.

    1. Re:The Un-Un-rant by The+Panther! · · Score: 2

      Gosh, where would she be if she'd had to stay in her homeland of Russia in the 1920s?

      Probably an underground writer of the same sort of materials, perhaps dead at a much earlier age for having beliefs that contrasted with a State mandated hive-mind of anonymity. Her beliefs came directly from her experience with extreme 'altruism' of communal life. And she came away knowing that altruism cannot be mandated, if it exists at all.

      Personally, I don't think a little altruism is a very bad thing at all.

      Altruism, or the denial of it, is a small part of objectivist dogma. I personally believe that people are generally not altruistic. An act of kindness can come from any person, but the feeling that you've done well by someone is the 'selfish' reward. True altruism, in my opinion, requires a person to do right by others when there is no appreciation, or possibly backlash, and still feel good about their actions. People just don't work that way.

      Letting free markets decide what is best for people is as stupid as letting an oligarchic government decide what is best for people. It's just letting one minority (the richest 1%) replace another minority (a fascistic, or possibly communistic government) in making decisions for everyone.

      Um, a free market isn't driven by a few megalomaniacal businesspeople. The free market is driven by consumer purchases and interests. The people choose what they want, and they get it. Fascism has nothing to do with it.

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    2. Re:The Un-Un-rant by symbolic · · Score: 2

      If all there had ever been were her jacked-up laissez-faire free-market bulldogs, solely in pursuit of a profit and freely pursuing their 'rights' to wealth and property, most of us would be dirt poor peasants, licking the feet of dirty fucking despots and warlords. No thank you.

      To clarify, they have a right to pursue wealth and property, but the right to wealth and property does not materialize until it has been acquired through legitimate means - that being hard work, innovation, and self-discipline.

      I suppose the growing system here in the U.S., where others are free to pursue their right to your property is better. It's called entitlement. It's exactly this kind of twisted thinking (among other things) that objectivism seeks to address.

  87. the most utopian short story of them ALL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    www.sonsorol.org

    1. Re:the most utopian short story of them ALL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you meant to say...

      http://www.sonsorol.org/port_watson.html

      by hakim bey
      nonetheless

  88. I've been saying it for years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The easiest (and only guaranteed way) to block popup adds is to DISABLE javascript. Sure, you may lose some functionality, but many sites have versions that work with and without javascript. Disabling this also removes many vulnerabilites, as most of the ie/netscape/mozilla exploits use scripting to get the job done, and if scripting isn't enabled, they won't run.

  89. Utopia by Bish.dk · · Score: 1

    The book that best describes Nerd-utopia (nerdtopia?) must be Neuromancer. Imagine what the internet looks like in that book. Space stations around the earth, filled with decadent and filthy rich people or ganja-smoking rasta-people. AIs in the loose, wanting to take over. Definately utopia in my mind. :)

  90. trilogies that aren't by God!+Awful · · Score: 1

    Well, I read all five books in the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy trilogy and I watched all five movies in the Star Wars trilogy...

    -a

  91. Utopian definitians by catsidhe · · Score: 2
    Surely the definition of 'Utopia' is something along the lines of:
    Utopia: /you-TOE-pee-ah/ n. A description of a society where everyone else likes the same things you do. First used by Sir Thomas More in the novel of the same name. From the Greek 'eu topos' (lit. 'no place')

    Similarly, a Distopia describes a place which is run on lines which you would dislike.

    Beyond a cherished few classics (1984, A Brave New World, The Matrix) your choice of [U|Dis]topia says more about you than it does about how human nature is likely to allow circumstances to evolve and develop.

    Personal view: Atlas Shrugged... [shudder]. I prefer Robert Anton Wilson's parody 'Telemachus Sneezed' in the Illuminatus! trilogy.
    Hmm, Illuminatus!... Now there was a [U|Dis]topia! I'm not sure which yet, though. Let me read it a few dozen more times, and I'll get back to you.

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  92. Re:Feel good? Or Utopian? There's a difference. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    BS. I've never read a single paper on the Divine Comedy (for the general readership) that failed to point out that the Inferno is, and always has been, far and away the most popular of the three books. So, it doesn't say more about him, it says more about the book. When a reaction to something is nearly universal in character, then it is reasonable to think that the cause is in the thing, and not in the audience.

  93. No one expects the Spanish Inquisition! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not so far fetched. Do the unexpected. Sauron never considered that someone would try to destroy his ring, rather than try to use it.

  94. Iain Banks Culture Novels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Post-scarcity galactic civilisation. Yum. Scares both capitalists and communists silly - both are obsolete if we eliminate physical and energy scarcity. Which is what scientific progress is doing, little by little.

  95. Free TT Japanese Fonts by Nishi-no-wan · · Score: 2

    Great, free TrueType Japanese fonts are available via:

    # cd /usr/ports/japanese/kochi-ttfonts && make install clean

    or

    # portinstall -R ja-kochi-ttfonts

    Can's some of the TeX fonts in /usr/ports/print be converted to TrueType? Or the Adobe fonts?

  96. terrible? Here's how to make fi by yerricde · · Score: 1

    You'll see that the bar of the f is connected to the i, and that the dot above the i is absent.

    In my technique, the program would copy parts from 'f' and 'Turkish dotless i' glyphs and have the font designer stitch them together by editing the splines.

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    1. Re:terrible? Here's how to make fi by foobar104 · · Score: 2

      In my technique, the program would copy parts from 'f' and 'Turkish dotless i' glyphs and have the font designer stitch them together by editing the splines.

      And you'll most likely end up with a font that is almost, if not entirely, awful.

      Letter forms are not generated algorithmically. A "b" is not an upside-down "p." These things have to be drawn by hand by people with talent-- more talent than I have, to be sure-- and refined at a level of detail that you wouldn't believe. But, believe it or not, when you've got a page full of it, tiny, almost microscopic, differences in letter forms make a huge difference.

    2. Re:terrible? Here's how to make fi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      That's the problem. You appear to just be spouting out your own technique. You're not actually a font designer, are you?

      (I don't have a problem with this, but it's not as easy as you make it sound)

  97. Re:I go against Plato by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Plato's Republic, although written in the utopian style, is deeply flawed. Unless of course, segragation is a good thing and having everything including the stories (plays) and music you hear dictated by those in power. Sounds like the RIAA/MPAA might like it though. I wish I could suggest something as utopian but the dysutopian novels seem more realistic.

  98. A list of Utopias from my senior course... by zoward · · Score: 4, Informative

    As a college senior I did an independent study course on Utopias. Here's the ones I remember referencing off the top of my head:

    Utopia - Thomas Moore
    Dispossessed - Ursula K. LeGuin
    Ecotopia - Ernest Callenbech (sp?)
    Looking Backward - Edward Bellamy
    City of God - St. Augustine
    The Republic - Plato
    State and Republic - V.I. Lenin (not a utopia per se, but an example of someone trying to implement one in the real world...).

    There are a lot of utopias that are not central the book they're in, but are there nonetheless. An obvious one that spring to mind is the Lotus-Eaters in Homer's Odyssey. Mythology has an abundance of them: Shangri-La? Xanadu? Atlantis?

    Many of these are a little more historical than the ones I've seen posted so far. In many of them what you're reading is the author trying to tell you that they've figured out what society should be like, and postulating that if we all ran out and implemented their proposed society we'd have heaven on earth. Half the fun of reading them is figuring out whether they will work, or why they won't.

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  99. Here we go again by Ryosen · · Score: 1

    My impression was that a large portion of Atlas Shrugged served as a warning against corporate welfare. The idea that too much legislation was a dangerous thing that, when taken to its logical end, could have dire consequences on a nation's economy. While the book centered around the characters' obstinate attitude that "we will do it our way or no way", they at least had taken the initiative to follow through on that threat. Rather than contribute to a socio-political environment that they did not support and that was viewed as dangerous, they abandoned what was considered to be a failing and corrupt system to start their own - hence the utopian view for those unfamiliar with the story.

    Too many people are quick to respond to Rand's points without understanding them. Her message was not that it was ok to walk over homeless people, as was suggested before. Certainly, the [brother] would have done that, but he was not portrayed in a heroic light. In fact, he was blamed for having contributed to a large part of the country's misguided economic policies - in it for his own good. Dagny was the person to take your lesson from and that lesson was quite simply this: don't apologize for being good at what you do. Throughtout the book she was persecuted for being dedicated, working hard, achieving her goals, and taking pride in her accomplishments. And for that, she was ostracized. If nothing else, her main fault was that she was too much of an idealist. She was the last to resist giving up on the dying world around her, instead trying to nurture and aid it back to health. In fact, the book's catchphrase, "Who is John Gault?", is representative of the one thing that she despises the most: apathy. Only when she had exhausted all possible avenues of changing the system from within did she abandon it. And then, only with a tremendous amount of guilt.

    [SPOILER]
    It's not until the end of the book that we learn who and what John Gault is and the catchphrase becomes a call to question misguided governmental
    dictums, not blindly accept them. Something, interestingly enough, that is done here on a daily basis.
    [/SPOILER]

    The warnings found within Atlas Shrugged are just as important today as it was when it was published. The lesson in the book was that anytime the government gets involved with regulating business, it inadvertantly harms that industy. Now, it's much too early in the morning for me to present this argument correctly, and I am certainly not a monopolist, but the government does have a history of mucking up business and economy with its interference. While I'm not a big fan of Microsoft and their predatory practices, they have managed to enforce a consistent platform with near total industry acceptance. For a software developer like myself, that has helped to create a much wider customer base with deeper saturation to individual companies and has benefited me as an individual. This is because corporations are much more willing to standardize on something that is a standard itself. Equally beneficial is the strong support for non-MS platforms suck as Solaris and *nix. I benefit from those as well as many companies are ferverently interested in alternative platforms.

    I find it interesting that so many people rail against Rand's writing. In the spirit of full disclosure, I have only read Atlas Shrugged and perhaps I'm missing something from the other books that has so many people getting their underwear in a wad, but I suspect that a large portion of the dissentors have only read it as well - provided, of course that they even got that far. Too many people seem to be inhibited by its length (1074 pages) and often only read as far as the reviews posted here and on Amazon. After all, not many people talk about the Fountainhead here - they talk about Atlas Shrugged. It was the repeated references to that book that motivated me to read it and, I suspect,
    it is the same for many others.

    Lastly, if you don't feel that Rand's warnings against corporate welfare were warranted (and you're certainly welcome to your opinion), just remember that the complaints and call-to-actions presented in these forums against the RIAA/MPAA seeking favorable (for them) legistlation is a cry against corporate welfare. Companies can't compete on their own merits, so they turn the the government to enforce the consumption of their products. It may not be the same as the corporate equality laws (and I'm not about to kick off a debate on equal opportunity and affirmative action legislation here either - I know better than that) presented in Atlas Shrugged, but it does not take much imagination to see how things could progress to that point. Given that we will not be able to watch/listen to any "non-MPAA/RIAA sactioned" content in their near future due to DRM controls (some of which have already been mandated), no, it doesn't take much imagination at all.

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    Ryosen
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    1. Re:Here we go again by Ryosen · · Score: 1

      By the way, I just want to point out that it's discussions such as this one that I keep coming back to Slashdot.

      Man, I love this place!

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      Ryosen
      One man's "Troll, +1" is another man's "Insightful, +1".
  100. The Ransom Trilogy by SanLouBlues · · Score: 2

    by CS Lewis was one of the best utopian sci-fi trilogies to be forgotten by almost everyone. It consists of "Out of the Silent Planet", "Perelandra", and "That Hideous Strength". Pure allegory at parts, but funny and inspiring through and through (other than a bit at the end of Perelandra where Lewis lapsed into his philosophical style).

    1. Re:The Ransom Trilogy by hunterellinger · · Score: 1

      That Hideous Strength is one of the very best cautionary tales about how "progress" can be misused. It is also a gem of storycraft -- who would have thought a story could convincingly combine university and corporate politics, a science institute, Merlin (yes, that Merlin), the Greek gods, angels, and Satan?

      However, it seems to me that the only utopia in this series is the first book (Out of the Silent Planet), which is set on Mars. It is a very enjoyable story, but its purpose is to set up a contrast with Earth (which is the "silent" planet), not as a real effort at a utopia in its own right.

    2. Re:The Ransom Trilogy by SanLouBlues · · Score: 2

      On the contrary, Perelandra, as what could have been if Adam and Eve had obeyed, is the original Christian utopia. Also there is the peaceful dominion of man over the animals which doesn't involve eating them (take that meatitarians!). I never thought of Malacandra (first book) as a utopia because it was stated that it was a world in decline due to the actions of satan. Also the mountains were a wasteland.

  101. Google Toolbar and unload-popups by DangerTenor · · Score: 1

    If you're using Microsoft Internet Explorer and you don't have the Google toolbar, get it immediately!

    Once you do have it, click the Google toolbar and select the options page. Click the link for experimental features. You will see the following quite useful feature:

    The onUnload JavaScript event is most often used to open pop-up windows as you leave a page, which can be an annoyance. The following feature will clear the onUnload event after loading each page.

    I've found it is rather effective. It doesn't block all popups, only the ones that try to appear as you exit a web page.

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  102. Open Source Project to fund Open Source Projects? by johnhebert · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Here's a bit of an email exchange with Ton of the Free Blender Fund:

    --- Ton Roosendaal wrote:
    > Hi John,
    >
    > > Any knowledge of such efforts out there?
    >
    > You mean of other projects getting open sourced this
    > way?
    > Nope, I guess it's the first. :)
    >
    > -Ton-

    Sorry to bug you via email, as I know you may be a little busy with tasks right now ;) but I was thinking that the process you are going through now with the Free Blender project could be formalized as a software application similar to how SourceForge formalized open source development, or maybe even as an added feature of SourceForge.

    Donators want to know that their donations are going to a good cause and are being used properly and honestly. The Free Blender site convinced me that it was a good cause and that it was run by honest people who meant well. Also, I assumed the financial records are open to peer review, so I felt safe in donating funds.

    For specific, well-defined causes such as the Free Blender project, it was easy to see how my donating a few bucks, along with thousands of others doing the same, accomplishes a good thing. There are many other good open source projects out there that could really benefit from a similar funding model.

    Any thoughts?

    I'm going to post this to the relevant /. discussion.

    More thoughts:
    The free and open source software communities can take advantage of the scale of the communities to easily fund worthy projects. Though I can't always help directly with development for interesting projects, I can easily spare $5 for a good cause.

    Anyone else out there thinking along the same lines?

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  103. Utopia by Ktistec+Machine · · Score: 1

    How about "Antarctica", by Kim Stanley Robinson?

  104. The Culture by Banks by Kaa · · Score: 2

    Speaking of utopias, I highly recommend Culture from the books of Ian M. Banks (e.g. Consider Phlebas, The Player of Games, The Use of Weapons, etc.)

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    Kaa
    Kaa's Law: In any sufficiently large group of people most are idiots.
  105. Starship troopers? by nicestepauthor · · Score: 1

    I don't like Utopian novels much and never read about a world I'd like to live in in one of them. Having said that, Starship Troopers qualifies as a sort of Utopian novel, and Heinlein's ideas are more convincing than most.

    The basic premise in his world is that only retired soldiers can vote. Those who are currently soldiers and those who have never been soldiers cannot. Anybody can volunteer for a term of duty and nobody can be rejected for any reason, not even the disabled. The idea is that to be allowed to vote you have to prove that you can put the greater good ahead of your own self interest, and military service is the way you do that.

    The director of the movie called the novel a "Fascist Utopia" but in fact there is nothing Fascist about it.

    1. Re:Starship troopers? by grimarr · · Score: 1
      The basic premise in his world is that only retired soldiers can vote.

      No, that's not right. You earned a vote by volunteering for government service. Military service was just one form of government service, and the book made it clear that only a small percentage of volunteers ended up in the military.
  106. Utopia - "Looking Backward" by gominosensei · · Score: 1

    "Looking Backward" by Edward Bellamy, published in 1887, is about a man who wakes up in the future, year 2000, to find that working conditions in America have improved greatly...

  107. Utopian Novels by An+Ominous+Cow+Erred · · Score: 1

    Probably the best utopia I've ever seen is in James Hogan's "Voyage from Yesteryear".

    In it a group of "seeded" space colonists grow from birth outside the influence of Earth, and create an economy that is based on respect rather than slips of green paper. The interesting thing is that it's *STILL* capitalist, but it's based on scarcity of respect rather than scarcity of resources (everyone has access to resources but not everyone is respected).

    Of course then a bunch of people from Earth show up and tell them why they should charge money for goods, why they should worship a god,why extramarital/teen/non-missionary sex was bad, why they shouldn't let people listen to their music, etc.

    Naturally this doesn't go over well. It's interesting watching the people from Earth behaving like asses... It's kind of like someone walking into a buffet who doesn't understand the concept and winds up trying to eat so much food that they die from a ruptured stomach.

  108. I did say tweaking, didn't I? by yerricde · · Score: 1

    Letter forms are not generated algorithmically. A "b" is not an upside-down "p."

    I knew that, and that's why I didn't suggest combining "b" and "p". However, in every roman (serif or sans) or oblique sans font I've seen, a "" is the top of a "b" and the bottom of a "p" stuck together.

    These things have to be drawn by hand by people with talent-- more talent than I have, to be sure-- and refined at a level of detail that you wouldn't believe.

    And that's why I explicitly stated that each generated glyph would be presented to the font designer for tweaking: "when creating a new glyph, copy parts from similar glyphs and present them to the font designer for further work" and "have the font designer stitch them together by editing the splines." (I should have said "editing the splines by hand.")

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    1. Re:I did say tweaking, didn't I? by foobar104 · · Score: 2

      And that's why I explicitly stated that each generated glyph would be presented to the font designer for tweaking

      And I'm saying that tweaking won't get you where you want to be, at least not without more effort than just drawing the glyphs from scratch would entail.

      That's like saying you want to take a painting of a woman and "tweak" it into a different painting of a woman. They're both portraits of women, right? Why start from scratch every time you paint a portrait of a woman, when you can just take the last one you painted and "tweak" it?

    2. Re:I did say tweaking, didn't I? by GigsVT · · Score: 1

      We are talking about font's here, not fine art. Solid colors, straight lines, simple curves.... I'm far from an expert on the subject, but I'd think it would not be very difficult at all to design a very good font.

      As far as those foreigner letters go, fuck 'em, if they want letters let them make their own damn fonts. English is the language of the Internet, why should we do 90% more work for less than 10% of the users?

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  109. spamassassin *is* bayesian by pmineiro · · Score: 1

    But the real advantage of the Bayesian approach, of course, is that you know what you're measuring. Feature-recognizing filters like SpamAssassin assign a spam "score" to email. The Bayesian approach assigns an actual probability. The problem with a "score" is that no one knows what it means.

    The score for feature X in spamasassin is equivalent to log-likelihood ratio p (X | SPAM) / p (X | not SPAM). The scores are added together, which is equivalent to a conditional independence assumption. The spam threshold is equivalent to a certain prior probability ratio p (SPAM) / p (not SPAM) combined with a certain cost ratio cost (false positive) / cost (incorrect rejection).

    In short, spamassassin is the classic naive bayesian classifier, although I admit the spamassassin designers might not know this.

    Having said that, single word frequencies are clearly another important feature that could also be incorporated into spamassassin's framework.

    -- p

  110. non-profit by phriedom · · Score: 1

    "AynRand.org [aynrand.org] does not specifiy that it is non-profit. Simply because it is an organization created to spread Objectivism, and which collects contributions to that end, does not classify it as non-profit."

    True, but the fact that ARI is tax exempt,and accepts "charitable donations" which would also reduce your tax burden leads me to believe that they are, in fact, a non-profit organization. Do you have another explanation?

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    1. Re:non-profit by naasking · · Score: 2

      Actually, the FAQ page states that it is a non-profit organization. My bad. You can justify a non-profit venture because of the type of world we currently live in which gives people incentives to donate.

  111. I could be wrong by ColGraff · · Score: 2

    It's been a few years since I read it, but I seem to recall counting 40 pages? Are we talking about the same monologue? I'm thinking about the radio broadcast.

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    1. Re:I could be wrong by user32.ExitWindowsEx · · Score: 1

      Yup. Same monologue. I nearly had to xerox it for a book report (don't ask) and was shocked to see how long it really was. (Of course, that was before I started using my high school's printer for 300+ pages at a pass, but that's another story).

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  112. The fonts I design by yerricde · · Score: 2

    That's the problem. You appear to just be spouting out your own technique. You're not actually a font designer, are you?

    I'll confess. I've only designed bitmap fonts for video games. I've written tools to help me do that, and the techniques I have described match what my tools do.

    Fact: In the United States, you cannot copyright a bitmap font. However, you can copyright a program (in the Metafont, PostScript, or TrueType hinting language) that generates a font. To circumvent this, start by running an autotracer on a large L/G/C Unicode chart written in that font, but note that you do lose kernpairs in the process.

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    Will I retire or break 10K?
  113. a slashdot utopia booklist by unger · · Score: 1

    here is a list of utopia books (for all not willing/wanting to wade through at -1) recommended by slashdotters as of august 20th @ 1pm PST.

    [all the extra " - this is an author/a book - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass" bullshit was required to get the list posted. sheesh. isn't there a way to prevent crap posts without making life hell for everyone else?]

    by Dorothy Bryant - this is an author - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass
    The Kin of Ata Are Waiting for You
    my post about it

    by Ursula K. LeGuin - this is an author - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass
    The Dispossessed (5 votes) - this is a book - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass

    by Robert A. Heinlein - this is an author - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass
    "Moon is a Harsh Mistress" (4 votes) - this is a book - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass

    by Iain M. Banks - this is an author - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass
    all of his Culture books (4 votes) - this is a book - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass

    by Thomas Moore - this is an author - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass
    Utopia (3 votes) - this is a book - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass

    by Robert A. Heinlein - this is an author - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass
    "The Number of the Beast" (2 votes) - this is a book - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass
    "Stranger in a Strange Land" (2 votes) - this is a book - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass

    Atlas Shrugged (2 votes) - this is a book - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass

    by Aldous Huxley - this is an author - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass
    Brave New World (2 votes) - this is a book - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass

    by Ernest Callenbach - this is an author - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass
    Ecotopia (2 votes) - this is a book - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass

    by Wright - this is an author - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass
    Islandia (2 votes) - this is a book - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass

    by Marge Pearcy - this is an author - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass
    Woman on the Edge of Time (2 votes) - this is a book - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass

    by CS Lewis - this is an author - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass
    "Out of the Silent Planet" (2 votes) - this is a book - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass

    by James Patrick Hogan - this is an author - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass
    Paths to Otherwhere - this is a book - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass
    The Multiplex Man - this is a book - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass
    Return to Tomorrow - this is a book - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass

    Ender's Game - this is a book - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass

    by Robert A. Heinlein - this is an author - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass
    "Time Enough for Love" - this is a book - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass
    "Starship Troopers" - this is a book - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass
    all of his books - this is a book - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass

    by Theodore Sturgeon - this is an author - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass
    The Cosmic Rape - this is a book - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass
    and many of his shorter stories - this is a book - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass

    by David Foster Wallace - this is an author - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass
    "Infinite Jest" - this is a book - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass

    by Edward Bellamy - this is an author - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass
    'Looking Backwards' - this is a book - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass
    'Equality' - this is a book - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass

    by Ralph Williams - this is an author - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass
    "Business as Usual During Alterations" - this is a book - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass

    by Edward Bellamy - this is an author - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass
    Looking Backward - this is a book - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass

    by Plato - this is an author - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass
    The Republic - this is a book - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass

    Lord of the Rings - this is a book - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass

    Wells - this is an author - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass
    In the Days of the Comet - this is a book - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass

    by Arthur C. Clarke - this is an author - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass
    The Songs of the Distant Earth - this is a book - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass

    by Stephen King - this is an author - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass
    Rita Hayworth and The Shawshank Redemption

    by L. Neil Smith - this is an author - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass
    "The Probability Broach" - this is a book - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass

    by Roger Penrose - this is an author - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass
    White Mars - this is a book - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass

    by Voltaire - this is an author - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass
    Candide - this is a book - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass

    "Cement and How the Steel Was Forged" (is this a book?)

    by Kim Stanley Robinson - this is an author - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass
    Red Mars - this is a book - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass
    Green Mars - this is a book - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass
    Blue Mars - this is a book - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass
    Pacific Edge - this is a book - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass
    Antarctica - this is a book - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass

    by B.F. Skinner - this is an author - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass
    Walden II - this is a book - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass

    by Eve Forward - this is an author - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass
    Villains by Necessity - this is a book - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass

    by Michael Ende - this is an author - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass
    "Momo" - this is a book - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass

    by Anonymous - this is an author - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass
    "Visit Port Watson!" - this is a book - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass
    http://www.sonsorol.org/port_watson.html

    Neuromancer - this is a book - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass

    by Robert Anton Wilson - this is an author - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass
    'Telemachus Sneezed' - this is a book - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass
    http://www.rawilson.com/

    by St. Augustine - this is an author - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass
    City of God - this is a book - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass

    by V.I. Lenin - this is an author - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass
    State and Republic - this is a book - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass

    by CS Lewis - this is an author - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass
    "Perelandra" - this is a book - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass
    "That Hideous Strength" - this is a book - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass

    by James Hogan - this is an author - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass
    "Voyage from Yesteryear" - this is a book - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass

    "Feel good" books:

    "Shawshank Redemption" - this is a book - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass

    by Bryce Courtenay - this is an author - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass
    The Power of One - this is a book - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass

    "Pawns of Chaos" - this is a book - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass

    by Clive Barker - this is an author - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass
    "Imagica" - this is a book - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass

    Douglas Adams - this is an author - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass
    all of his books - this is a book - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass

    by Terry Pratchett - this is an author - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass
    all of his books - this is a book - increasing line length - what a pain in the ass

  114. Greg Bear's Queen of Angels by raindog2 · · Score: 1

    Rather than the obligatory Rand bashing I'm going to suggest as an alternative the Queen of Angels series by Greg Bear (Queen of Angels, "/" (Slant), Heads, and Moving Mars) as a somewhat believable utopic future and the believable problems it engenders. There's somewhat less of a sales pitch going on in these books, anyway.

    The series covers about 150 years presently (they're listed above in story-chronological order rather than by date published) and deals kind of nicely with the social issues which could result from the maturing of technologies like AI, cosmetic surgery, nano and quantum physics. It's science fiction (at times "hard" science fiction) but I'd argue that all of these utopic/dystopic books are to one extent or another.

    Heads is an out of print novella I had to hit half.com to get, but the rest should be available from your choice of privacy-impeding online book merchants.

  115. global cooling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "fight global cooling"

    I love it!