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Updates from the field on Google access in the People's Republic of China, Lance Bass's space-shot (shot down), the gaming ban in Greece, recording artists and Internet music downloads, and more. Read on for the details.

Please confirm, over. After reports that the People's Republic of China was blocking access to Google, an anonymous reader writes: "I'm working in China, and for the last 3 days Google and some other sites were not accessible. But since even sending SMS to europe didn't work I don't think it was censoring, more like routing problems of some sort. Anyway, Google is back and reports of slashdot blocking are also overrated :)"

Cradle of Democracy, or Regular Cradle? Many readers have written to point out that, just like they promised to in March, the government of Greece has gone ahead and banned electronic games. xlurker, for instance, writes "In an unbelievable move the Greek government has banned all public play of computer games with enactment of law 3037/2002. An english translation of it can be read here. This has been reported in the Greek newspaper Kathimerini and recently confirmed in detail at the German Heise site (Google translation). The law encompasses all appliances that play games, as ludicrous this sounds, it spans from cells ph ones and computers to gameboys and consoles. Greek internet cafes are protesting and international gaming events are being cancelled and relocate d. The bill was passed as a last ditch effort by the government to combat gambling. Thousands of Greek citizens have protested the blanket anti-gaming law. Online petitions can be found here and at the Greek Net Cafe site."

Welcome to your new email account. In addition to the Bayesian spam filter for Qmail mentioned in a previous Slashback, an anonymous reader writes "An article here talked about using statistical methods to classify spam (and perhaps other mail) automatically. A real implementation of this has been released (currently beta) here that acts as a POP3 proxy and works with any mail client. It inserts an X-Text-Classification: header in each mail message containing a classification of the mail into any of a number of classes that the user defines. The code is mostly Perl and an LGPL library so although the current version is for Windows it will work on other platforms and the author is asking for suggestions and testers."

Yes, I'd like to be paid in unlucky-pop-star weights, please. 21mhz writes "Reuters reports: Russia's space agency has scrapped 'N Sync singer Lance Bass's plans to join an October space mission after the U.S. pop star failed to meet payment deadlines. More details from AP. The guys that do real stuff at ISS will get an extra cargo package the weight of the unlucky pop singer."

And Lo, eleven shall have been selected, and it is so. AmateurHuman writes "After two delays, Wizards of the Coast, the makers of Dungeons & Dragons, have announced that the first stage of the New Fantasy Setting Search is completed. Eleven out of 11,000 entries were selected. Good job to those lucky eleven!"

Slashdot is not responsible for the content of external links. ttyp writes "We've all seen Janis Ian's opinions about P2P and the RIAA but, man, does Prince take it to a new level! Check out the artist's commentary A Nation of Thieves wherein Prince wonders, 'How long, however, b4 a critical mass of established artists realize that it is in their best interests, both artistically and commercially, 2 leave the system 4 good? How long b4 a critical mass of young aspiring artists become aware of the enslaving aspects of the system and r careful not 2 get involved in it without a maximum of precautions? And how long b4 a critical mass of art lovers get 2gether 2 provide these artists with a real, valuable, legitimate, truthfully enthusiastic alternative audience that completes the process of rendering the xisting system artistically irrelevant?' Also check out the links to other commentaries on this page."

402 comments

  1. Thank goodness by i_am_nitrogen · · Score: 1

    Pop music and teen idol status aside, it's good to know that scientists will be able to use more of the precious cargo space for useful purposes.

    The sad thing is, on slashdot, we cheer when this sort of thing happens, while much of the rest of the world says "oh come on, cut him a break, he's a pop music god!"

    1. Re:Thank goodness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you put a price on making millions of pre-teen girls think that space is cool?

      Sending him into space would probably do a better job at getting women interested in technical/scientific fields than any other program I could think of.

    2. Re:Thank goodness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...women...

      Women? You hit it on the head with pre-teen, but then you went and sullied it by stating that it'd get women into the technical arena. In reality like most fads, these sorts of pop phenomenas become sort of dirty little secrets, and people actually have a negative view of anything and everything that they touched (which was why it was so important that they didn't get in the Star Wars movie).

    3. Re:Thank goodness by gaijin99 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Actually, I think its a shame he couldn't go up. Space tourism is a promising way to a) get more people interested, b) encourage work on a space plane, c) get MONEY to the continually cash starved space agencies, etc.


      If Lance Bass had gotten to go up millions of screaming fangirls would start thinking of space travel as being kind of interesting, as opposed to thinking of it as a nerdy waste of time. This may not seem important now, but screaming fangirls do grow up, become voters, and (hopefully) pay for space exploration/exploitation.


      As long as space travel remains exclusively the domain of highly intelligent uber-jocks only a very few people will see its benefits. Space travel must become more accessable or it will die off.

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    4. Re:Thank goodness by Moridineas · · Score: 2

      Hmm I dunno. I'd be glad to see him go up (assuming of course he could pay)--opening up space to tourism and capitalism can only help in the long run. All the space programs could definitely use the money, and I'd rather it be other's money before mine :)

    5. Re:Thank goodness by jmccay · · Score: 2

      He didn't go because they never got the money to send him up there. It's not like someone had a moral scientific backbone.

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      At the next eco-hypocrisy-meeting, count the private jets used to get to the meeting. Should be interesting to see that
    6. Re:Thank goodness by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 0

      Ummm, pardon me, but you said "Star Wars Movie" and "Important" in the same sentence...

      From my vantage point, which I suspect is a little more weathered than yours, I am hard pressed to find more gravitas in either Star Wars or N'Synch. I think I recall finding toys for both included inside my seven year old's Happy Meals at one point or another.

      The Space Program, now that's a different story. Seems to me the more pop stars and celebrities we can get into space, the more public attention these initiatives get, the faster you'll get your Space Princesses and Starship Captains for real...

    7. Re:Thank goodness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While you may not agree with the choice of passenger in this case, I think anything that promotes space research and exploration to the spoon-fed-media general public is still a good thing... Mr. Bass may be a complete idiot for all I know, but if he gets a million youths to say "WoW! Lance in Space!! I want to go too.." then I say job well done.

    8. Re:Thank goodness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Our chance to get rid of this guy and the Ruskies blow it. All they had to do was take him up they didn't have to bring him back.

    9. Re:Thank goodness by fyonn · · Score: 1

      I too would be glad to see him go up, but only if he didn't come down again... ;)

      dave

    10. Re:Thank goodness by hazyshadeofwinter · · Score: 1

      ObOffTopicSimpsons:

      "Yarrr, 'tis clear sailing ahead for our precious cargo!"
      "You mean the hot pants?"
      "Aye, the hot pants."

      ObOnTopic: Always wanted John Denver to be the first pop star tourist in space. Too bad he's dead or something. Wonder who else has that kinda money, hasn't spent it on drugs, and isn't Bill Gates or the Sultan of Brunei? I can just see it now:

      "Will that ticket be in your name, Mr. Gates?"
      "No, it's for Linus... that's L-I-N-U-S..."

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    11. Re:Thank goodness by joib · · Score: 2

      I don't know what to think about this. Of course it's nice that real scientists get their work done, but on the other hand:

      "In space, noone can hear you sing."

    12. Re:Thank goodness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I applaud you for you courage in showing the Star Wars emperor with no clothes, but you must realize that you do this at your Moderation-peril on this site!!

  2. Symbols galore! by GuyMannDude · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Prince wonders, 'How long, however, b4 a critical mass of established artists realize that it is in their best interests, both artistically and commercially, 2 leave the system 4 good? How long b4 a critical mass of young aspiring artists become aware of the enslaving aspects of the system and r careful not 2 get involved in it without a maximum of precautions? And how long b4 a critical mass of art lovers get 2gether 2 provide these artists with a real, valuable, legitimate, truthfully enthusiastic alternative audience that completes the process of rendering the xisting system artistically irrelevant?'

    I think we all know of Prince's fondess for symbols over proper words ever since he did that thing with his name but that quote is really going over the top!

    GMD

    1. Re:Symbols galore! by Yorrike · · Score: 2, Funny
      h0w l0ng b4 teh pr1nc3 learnz0rs to sp33k proper?!?!

      Honestly, which fool did he hire as his PR manager?

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      Looks can be deceiving. Or CAN they?

    2. Re:Symbols galore! by JesseL · · Score: 2, Funny

      It looks as though the entire essay was filtered through a 14 year old girl chatting on an IM. It's almost painful.

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    3. Re:Symbols galore! by Nighttime · · Score: 1

      Nah, I think it was checked and edited by CmdrTaco :)

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    4. Re:Symbols galore! by volkerdi · · Score: 1

      & what's with ! using &?

    5. Re:Symbols galore! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The lyrics/liner notes on his records have been that way for a while too.

    6. Re:Symbols galore! by Golias · · Score: 2, Informative
      Check the track list from "Purple Rain". (Example, "I Would Die 4 U". He's always done that shit.

      Come to think of it, a Princelizer would be a fun Perl hack. Kind of like the Sweedish Chef apps, but converts text into Prince's goofball way of using single-character phonetic replacements of sylables until u want 2 beat him 2 death with his own 4skin, and then party like it's 1999.

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    7. Re:Symbols galore! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How long has it been since NE1 bought any of the pap you foist upon the music world?

      Let the Purple Reign END!

    8. Re:Symbols galore! by RebelTycoon · · Score: 1

      The lyrics/liner notes on his records have been that way for a while too.

      You just don't download his stuff?

    9. Re:Symbols galore! by leviramsey · · Score: 1

      In Microserts, one of the hackers whipped up a script that do just that.

    10. Re:Symbols galore! by d3vpsaux · · Score: 1

      > Come to think of it, a Princelizer would be a fun Perl hack.

      I know it's pretty "cool" that the man formerly known as the artist formerly known as Prince writes in that style, but does anyone really think he actually "translates" it into PrinceSpeak? The module exists, or someone's written a translation program just for him. I don't think i have the patience 2 sit there & shorthand everything.

    11. Re:Symbols galore! by thomas.galvin · · Score: 1

      Sure he does...I talk to people online that do stuff like that all the time. I sometimes wonder if they atually know the entire set of keystrokes to make a real word.

      That's actually one of the biggest clues that someone has only been online for a short period of time; they usually calm down after enough people tell them that it hurts to read their messeages.

    12. Re:Symbols galore! by Hadley · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah ?

      What 14-year-old knows the difference between 'less' and 'fewer', and uses the words correctly ?

    13. Re:Symbols galore! by JesseL · · Score: 2

      Notice that I said the essay looked as though it was filtered through a 14 year old on an IM. I think that Prince wrote a very well thought out and insightful (and far more grammaticly correct than I could manage) article that was seriously marred by his shorthand. It's like having yellow text on a white background - pointless and distracting.

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      "Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!"
    14. Re:Symbols galore! by richie2000 · · Score: 2

      He probably downloaded JPEGs of the cover and OCRd copies of the lyrics/liner notes too. :-)

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      Money for nothing, pix for free
  3. Prince is a script kiddie? by Mashby · · Score: 2, Funny

    Wow, didn't know he wrote like that, Prince is one l33t d00d! I totally agree with the message behind it, but that is an incredibly annoying way of writing.

    1. Re:Prince is a script kiddie? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Read his lyrics some time; he was writing like a script kiddie before there even were script kiddies.

    2. Re:Prince is a script kiddie? by madprof · · Score: 1

      Prince was doing that sort of thing back in 1982.
      His comments on P2P are interesting given his famous stance on record industry "enslavement".

    3. Re:Prince is a script kiddie? by artemis67 · · Score: 2

      Prince is pre-script kiddie. Writing in phonetics is sooooo eighties.

      Maybe it was cool "way back when". Now it's just gay.

    4. Re:Prince is a script kiddie? by L-Train8 · · Score: 2

      I remember reading Douglas Copeland's book Microserfs, back in 1996. One character writes a script that translates normal text into Prince-speak, replacing to and too with 2, you with u, etc.

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    5. Re:Prince is a script kiddie? by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Actually (god knows *why* I looked that up, but ...)

      Since "Purple Rain" was copyright '84 and he wrote like that back then, he can claim some legitimacy to have been annoying for almost 20 years. Can't accuse him of hopping onto an internet trend there at least. =)

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    6. Re:Prince is a script kiddie? by RebelTycoon · · Score: 1

      Maybe it was cool "way back when". Now it's just gay.

      Its Prince... Makes sense now... That whole cross-gender / gay/hetro / symbol/word thing...

      But atleast he's batting on our team... Switch hitters can be such a pain in the ass.

    7. Re:Prince is a script kiddie? by Fred+Ferrigno · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ever wake up at night, covered in a cold sweat, wondering what will happen to the world when a nation of teenagers whose only experience with written English is Instant Messenger grows up?

      Language is fluid, and the only spellings that are "correct" are the ones in common use. As lame as it is, I think the spelling most in danger of extinction is "you" vs. "u". Compared to other languages, "you" is pretty long for a second person pronoun.

    8. Re:Prince is a script kiddie? by /dev/trash · · Score: 1

      he's been writing taht way for years. Way before l33t speak came to be.

    9. Re:Prince is a script kiddie? by BollocksToThis · · Score: 1

      Oh wont someone PLEASE think of the foreigners?

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    10. Re:Prince is a script kiddie? by yasth · · Score: 1

      I do not worry about it because languages change and grow. 'U' is perfectly fine as a word; it is clear, and does not conflict with existing usages of 'U'. '4' is a bit trickier, as it is not made of letters. In practice it is not often confusing, but it is a rule breaker. 'K' is already creeping out in to the rest of the word, perhaps because it replaces a very colloquial phrase "'kay". It really isn't a concern though, it is still quite understandable.

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    11. Re:Prince is a script kiddie? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you ever been outside your room? There's a 0% chance of "u" replacing "you", at least as things currently stand. I'd worry more about "their" and "there" becoming interchangable, because no one really cares about the difference between them (in my experience).

    12. Re:Prince is a script kiddie? by Timex · · Score: 1

      Compared to other languages, "you" is pretty long for a second person pronoun.

      That might be why we don't use "thee" anymore...Think about that: from a grammatical point of view, modern English is (by nature) polite.There is no real second-person-singular; it has been replaced with the formal you...

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    13. Re:Prince is a script kiddie? by jelle · · Score: 2


      He finally did what he's been singing in "alphabet street" -> "we're going down down down, if that's the only way, to make this cruel world hear what we've got to say. Put the right letters together and make a better day"

      Baby it's the only way.

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    14. Re:Prince is a script kiddie? by i_am_nitrogen · · Score: 1
      Offtopic:
      Hey, why does slashdot get the ratings wrong all the time? When I replied to your comment, it was +5, Insightful, but after I hit reply, it's only +3, nothing. What gives?


      Usually that means that whoever moderated the post made their own post to the discussion, cancelling their moderations. You can't moderate and post in the same discussion.

    15. Re:Prince is a script kiddie? by jovlinger · · Score: 1

      every since I read the write up, I've been humming his tune: noooothing compaaaares 2u. I like the dichotomy between the long pronounciation and short spelling.

      And, to remain marginally on topic, I think "tho" is first in line for legitimisation. "Light" -> "lite" isn't enough of a savings to be worthwhile. For no particular reason, I'm not nearly as close to accepting "thru". No idea why...

    16. Re:Prince is a script kiddie? by wumingzi · · Score: 1
      Since "Purple Rain" was copyright '84 and he wrote like that back then, he can claim some legitimacy to have been annoying for almost 20 years. Can't accuse him of hopping onto an internet trend there at least.

      ...and Purple Rain was his seventh album. There's an entire catalog of stuff (which also used shorthand), which never got heard in cul-de-sac land...

    17. Re:Prince is a script kiddie? by Fred+Ferrigno · · Score: 2

      'U' is perfectly fine as a word; it is clear, and does not conflict with existing usages of 'U'.

      Which is why I fear it. It just sounds stupid. But from a rational point of view, there's no real reason why it couldn't be accepted, given a few hundred years. What if I wake up from cryogenic sleep (not that I imagine I ever will) and everyone around me sounds like a frickin' moron? and my speech is as odd to them as Shakespeare or even Chaucer?

      No! Morons like Prince should be punished for their abuse of the language! Damn language theory all to hell!

    18. Re:Prince is a script kiddie? by CodeMunch · · Score: 1
      Ever wake up at night, covered in a cold sweat, wondering what will happen to the world when a nation of teenagers whose only experience with written English is Instant Messenger grows up?

      No, I don't "wake up in a cold sweat". Language and spelling is a human invention - with rules devised by humans that are usually adhered to but that's the beauty of it - our or the next generation can change it to suit their needs. In the end, spelling is irrelevant and has constantly been evolving - its the meaning that is important.

    19. Re:Prince is a script kiddie? by autechre · · Score: 2


      No matter which way I look at it, I can't seem to make "you" longer than "anata" :)

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    20. Re:Prince is a script kiddie? by hazyshadeofwinter · · Score: 1

      So why does "f*** thee" sound more polite than "f*** you"?

      Regarding "K" as a word, short for "'kay", short for "ok", whose etymology I'm too lazy to google right now: spotted somebody on MetaFilter using "mmk" as the short form of "mmmkay?". Hell in a handbasket, here we come!

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    21. Re:Prince is a script kiddie? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ah, it's easy, just think "drunk southerner": "Git offamah laaawn, yeeeeeeeew sonofabiiitch!"

    22. Re:Prince is a script kiddie? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'U' is perfectly fine as a word; it is clear, and does not conflict with existing usages of 'U'

      Except that in the tense used, it is mispronounced.

      'U' as a letter of the alphabet makes a different sound than when it is used in a sentence. In a sentence, it would make a short 'uh' sound, not a 'YOU' sound (there is a reason that 'YOU' has the 'U' after the O.)

      So in a sentence, using 'U' in place of 'YOU' would make the sentence as unreadable as putting '4' in place of 'for'.

    23. Re:Prince is a script kiddie? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He was writing like a lazy, illiterate fuckwit before lots of other lazy, illterate fuckwits were born. Great... you make it sound like he started a trend instead of just being idle and stupid.

    24. Re:Prince is a script kiddie? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Compared to other languages, "you" is pretty long for a second person pronoun.

      Compared to which languages? English is largely a composite of old Germanic and French influences.

      "You" is the plural and formal second person pronoun in English; the familiar form ("thee") has fallen into disuse.

      By contrast, German "Sie" is three letters; French "vous" is four. Spanish uses several letters, as far as I recall for a word like "Usted" (though I only took three weeks of Spanish several years ago, so this example may be wrong).

      In Latin, pronouns are optional, and differing verb conjugations are stressed (which is also the case in modern Spanish, as I understand it).

      I'm curious as to which languages have a shorter plural/formal second person pronoun. Did you have some examples in mind? Bear in mind, I'm not trying to be antagonistic, which, upon re-reading, the tone of the is message may not clearly indicate, but I am honestly curious.

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    25. Re:Prince is a script kiddie? by chad_r · · Score: 1

      No, I am not afraid at all of loosing traditional English spelling of word's. As long as the speach stays the same, we'll be fine!

    26. Re:Prince is a script kiddie? by BollocksToThis · · Score: 1

      But if I reload the main page again, or click the comment ID, it's right back at 5, Insightful. The 3 only shows up when I click reply.

      Perhaps it's just slashdot being incredibly dynamic, but it doesn't feel like it.

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    27. Re:Prince is a script kiddie? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wind (i.e. a movement of air) and wind (i.e. adding energy to a clock)

      Same word pronounced differetnly, English is not a phonetic language.

      Doesn't 'I' kind of neatly nullify any point you had anyways?

    28. Re:Prince is a script kiddie? by Fred+Ferrigno · · Score: 1

      Hmmm.. it only shows +3, Insightful to me. Whatever, my karma is "excellent" and probably at 50 anyway.

    29. Re:Prince is a script kiddie? by Fred+Ferrigno · · Score: 2

      Granted, "you" was originally the formal form, but given that it's the only form anymore, it is effectively the familar form and the formal form all at once. Frequently used words tend to be the shortest ones. I, am, is, to, etc.

      While I didn't expect to be right for every language, I was thinking more along the lines of "tu" in French and Spanish. If we're saying that "you" has is used more often than "tu" (because they have many forms, English only one), then it makes sense that our second person pronoun should be as short or even shorter.

      Or perhaps we might revive the distinction between formal and familar, leaving "you" as it is, but introducing "u" as the new version of "thee".

    30. Re:Prince is a script kiddie? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't 'I' kind of neatly nullify any point you had anyways?

      No...

      tIght, rIght, blInd.

      But: UsUally, obtUse, Use...
      THESE nullify his point. Not to mention, it has nothing to do with tense...

    31. Re:Prince is a script kiddie? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd worry more about "their" and "there" becoming interchangable, because no one really cares about the difference between them

      I care, goddamnit.

      It's not even hard to see what the difference is... why don't people care that others consider them illiterate, and sometimes can't understand what they mean to say?

      If I wrote something, and someone pointed out that I was an illiterate fuck, I'd immediately correct it, because I want people to take what I say seriously.

    32. Re:Prince is a script kiddie? by BollocksToThis · · Score: 1

      In the end, spelling is irrelevant and has constantly been evolving - its the meaning that is important.

      Bad spelling is often an impediment to understanding. I don't mind the occasional typo when you can clearly see what someone means, but there are cases where using the wrong spelling is just confusing, even with context.

      Unfortunately, I can't think up a single, clear example right now, and I gotta hit the submit!
      (Just gotta!)

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  4. The Greek Government by Yorrike · · Score: 3, Informative
    This is not as suprising as you may expect, since this is the same government that jailed those English plane spotters for being spies (yeah right).

    A Cnet article regarding the story explains that "The blanket ban was decided in February after the government admitted it was incapable of distinguishing innocuous video games from illegal gambling machines.", so since Greek authorities are too stupid to tell the difference between Teris and a Poker machine, no one gets to play anything?

    The stupidity involved in this law is beyond comprehension.

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    1. Re:The Greek Government by Psx29 · · Score: 1
      The stupidity involved in this law is beyond comprehension.

      How long before a similar bill gets proposed in the U.S.? (Remember: "Games are not speech")

    2. Re:The Greek Government by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 2
      How long before a similar bill gets proposed in the U.S.?


      When computer games stop being a multi-billion dollar industry.


      Don't be a paranoid idiot.

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    3. Re:The Greek Government by DrXym · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Those plane spotters were taking pictures of aircraft at a military airfield in a country where that is illegal. It was their own stupid faults that they were thrown in the slammer, especially after being warned once before.

    4. Re:The Greek Government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Don't be a paranoid idiot.

      Which means he's a typical Slashdot'er. :)

    5. Re:The Greek Government by Alien+Being · · Score: 1

      FYI...

      New York city banned pinball in 1942 for the same reason Greece is doing it now.

      I'll spare you the insults.

    6. Re:The Greek Government by BoneFlower · · Score: 2

      Also, in the US, if you take pictures of military aircraft on a base without clearance from the installation commander, you will at the very least be questioned by military authorities, though, if you are honestly just taking pictures cause they look cool you probably will be let go without a hassle, though depending on the activities and equipment photographed your film may be confiscated.

    7. Re:The Greek Government by Hellasboy · · Score: 1

      they rigged tetris machines (pacman, etc) to pay out. it wasn't just poker-type machine, regular old arcade games. Gawd knows how I would have kicked some ass (and how much money the arcade would have lost) on 'ol SF2 =)

      what gets me is that they in essence banned all video games.

      Got a gameboy? Illegal. PS2? Illegal. New computer w/ solitaire? Illegal. hehe, i guess they should go after microsoft/nintendo/sony and every retail outlet for supplying "gambling tools" Oh and internet cafes for playing games are banned.

      They probably decided to ban the whole lot so it would be easier to prosecute those who are using electronic games for gambling. Think of it this way, if they only ban arcades that pay out money then you have arcades which would look legit but have gambling arcades hidden in some room (yes, people will go that far). if you just ban everything, then you throw it underground but it wouldn't be so hard to find those who are breaking the law (3k euro electrical bill for that shack? hmm, something is suspicious here).

      I don't agree w/ the extent that the law reaches. the should just have made it so if you have an arcade that pays out that you get fined a ridiculous amount and some mandatory 5 years in prison. that would certainly make shop owners think twice.

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    8. Re:The Greek Government by pdion · · Score: 1

      The situation is even worse than Slashdot reports. The new law states that electronic games are illegal in every public or private place, i.e. everywhere. The definition of electronic games is every game that requires software. This means that except for public arcades the following are illegal:

      • PC Games
      • Consoles like Playstation, X-Box etc
      • Modern Mobile phones
      • Windows and most Linux distributions

      Furthermore, even the installation of said games is illegal so this means that more than 95% of PCs in Greece are illegal. Including all the Windows machines the government is using since Windows installs at least Minesweeper and Solitaire. The Internet cafe association is planing to sue the government for hosting illegal games! (as means of showing the absurdity of the law)

    9. Re:The Greek Government by hype7 · · Score: 1
      The stupidity involved in this law is beyond comprehension.


      They threw out the bathwater, the baby, and the bath for good measure.

      -- james
    10. Re:The Greek Government by bungo · · Score: 2

      Those plane spotters were taking pictures of aircraft at a military airfield in a country where that is illegal

      No, taking the photos was ok. There were other people there taking photos. It was a sort of a display day.

      There were arrested because they were writing down the serial numbers (or whatever the identifiers of planes are called). They were sad people who got enjoyment out of writing down what they've seen. As it has been pointed out in the media, this was of no military value. There was more information on-line and published in books and magazines (Janes etc) than what these sad people collected.

      Now, being a sad person with wierd hobbies in most countries in Europe is not a crime. The Greek reaction was waaaaay over the top.

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    11. Re:The Greek Government by thomas.galvin · · Score: 1

      I don't agree w/ the extent that the law reaches. the should just have made it so if you have an arcade that pays out that you get fined a ridiculous amount and some mandatory 5 years in prison. that would certainly make shop owners think twice.

      Yeah, tht would work. Or, you know, they could leave people the hell alone. I don't like gambling. I don't gamble. But I like govenrment regulation less. If people feel the need to blow their life savings away, so be it, but don't punish everyone else because of it.

    12. Re:The Greek Government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "The blanket ban was decided in February after the government admitted it was incapable of distinguishing innocuous video games from illegal gambling machines.", so since Greek authorities are too stupid to tell the difference between Teris and a Poker machine, no one gets to play anything?

      Not quite.

      The problem was that there were "Internet Cafes" and other similar stores where, with the flip of a remote button, all the computer screens in the store could be switched to poker machines... If a police officer would enter such an establishment, the owner could instantly "flip the switch" and there was very little the officer could legally prove...

      Not that the law is well-crafted, but there's more to it than some people seem to think. that and a

    13. Re:The Greek Government by Cy+Guy · · Score: 2

      This means that except for public arcades the following are illegal:
      4) Windows and most Linux distributions

      5) MS Excel 97
      6) MS Word 97
      7) MS Excel 2000

      While it will be very simple to come out with new Linux distro's that are game-free, MS will not be able to quickly patch all of the Easter Eggs in its products as likely most MS managers don't know where in the code the Easter eggs have been written. (of course we have to remember that in Greece, Easter Eggs appear a week later that every else).

      This law could do wonders for OSS, maybe the community shouldn't fight it?

    14. Re:The Greek Government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More like they shoved 0.5K of Semtec down the baby's throat and stuck a detonator through it's heart.

      Then stood back and pushed the button.

    15. Re:The Greek Government by Hellasboy · · Score: 1

      Or, you know, they could leave people the hell alone. I don't like gambling. I don't gamble. But I like govenrment regulation less. If people feel the need to blow their life savings away, so be it, but don't punish everyone else because of it.

      there is a reason to why gambling is regulated. it is not a good thing for people. it preys on the poor. but hey, why stop w/ gambling? I'm an expert swordsman and i don't see why the government is getting in my business about killing people.

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    16. Re:The Greek Government by costas · · Score: 2

      Your info is not completely true: serial numbers *do* have military value. If you collect enough information on movement of aircraft using their serial numbers, then statistical analysis can get you pretty close to an estimate of their readiness ratings --which is *very* important militarily.

      Also, these plain spotters were being tailed by Greek intelligence, IIRC, as their leader was hosted by a Turkish AF commander when they went through Turkey. Greece pays attention to little things like that --and that was never adequately explained by the plane spotters.

      (Disclaimer: I am Greek)

    17. Re:The Greek Government by bblgoose · · Score: 1

      Did anyone stop to define 'Game' when they introduced this law? If we want to get technical about it, I can use word to play hangman or a thousand other word games. VBA is capable of knocking together some games with very little effort.

      Taking it even further to the extreme, this is a forum of geeks. By our nature, we find computers entertaining for recreational use. I personally have great fun trying to track down bugs in code, and the rush when you finally get all your known bugs killed off is better than anything I can get off a game. Could this be considered a game, and therefore illegal?

      I smell a cover-all DMCA style law coming on...

    18. Re:The Greek Government by snathan · · Score: 1
      First of all, Hello everyone, it's my first post.

      Being Greek and having an "insider's view" of the whole situation, I have to inform you guys that this new law is being, to put it mildly, ignored by most. (And that's the normal thing to do, you can't expect the police to storm your house and arrest you for playing Minesweeper!) :) People just carry on playing their games in their homes as if everything was ok.

      Those who are really threatened are the owners of net-cafés, because their business could be shut down for no reason other than possessing a PC with Windows (and therefore, Solitaire or Minesweeper)! But they don't just sit around waiting. They plan to sue hundreds of people (state officials and state institutions mostly) who are commiting the very same "crime", i.e. possessing a PC with games. Presented with an avalanche of lawsuits, the state is bound to drop the law, or at the very least, correct it.

      All that remains to be seen is whether this action will indeed knock some sense into the heads of those computer-illiterate bureaucrats that pass these laws.

    19. Re:The Greek Government by thomas.galvin · · Score: 1

      there is a reason to why gambling is regulated. it is not a good thing for people. it preys on the poor. but hey, why stop w/ gambling? I'm an expert swordsman and i don't see why the government is getting in my business about killing people.

      There is a fundamental difference. Killing someone harms another person. Gambing is a choice made by (normally) an adult. The government is not our parent. They do not exist to protect us from ourselves. If someone's life is being ruined by gambling, that person's family should seek help for them. The government should not say "well, he can't handle it, so none of you are allowed to do it, either."

      As an aside, I have a few swords laying around, too; the government does not interfear with that. They do interfear when I try to whack someone with them (see my sig).

  5. How long? by IpalindromeI · · Score: 2, Funny

    How long b4 a critical mass uv peepil beegin 2 loose all sines of b-ing able 2 spel and t8ke the pop moozik w/ them?

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    1. Re:How long? by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why do I have a feeling that most people focused on Prince's spelling rather than what he was saying?

      Honestly, if you're spending time reading the comments section, then you should already be prepared to read lots of typos and shorthand spellings. Don't act like it's all encrypted.

    2. Re:How long? by Yorrike · · Score: 1
      The reason people are focusing on his "spelling", is because to garner any sort of respect amoung regular geeks, you must have, or at least appear to have, a grasp on which ever language you happen to be speaking.

      The article truly hurts to read. I can't take it seriously, it looks like a 12 year old wrote it whilst trying ever so hard to be "cool".

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    3. Re:How long? by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "The reason people are focusing on his "spelling", is because to garner any sort of respect amoung regular geeks, you must have, or at least appear to have, a grasp on which ever language you happen to be speaking."

      So what would you say if a notable person doesn't speak english as his native language? Would you guys pull this shit with him too?

      I mean seriously, if you're going to measure somebody's intelligence based on their shorthand (note: these aren't even typos we're talking abouthere) then wtf's the point? We're talking about the same group of people who uses email, instant messaging, IRC, and so on. Yet you're supposed to spell check everything you say?

      Sounds like an attempt at a social class to me. I'm glad I'm not that judgemental of people. I'd be missing a lot.

    4. Re:How long? by innocent_white_lamb · · Score: 1

      So what would you say if a notable person doesn't speak english as his native language? Would you guys pull this shit with him too?

      There is a big difference between fractured English and stupid English. It's generally obvious when someone is not a native English-speaker and those people generally try the hardest to get their message out. They make a substantial effort to make their messages understandable.

      This "shorthand" makes the author look either stupid or lazy (or both) and does nothing to help deliver the intended message.

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    5. Re:How long? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree. That shit is annoying to read. Maybe he didn't want to appear "edumacated".

    6. Re:How long? by ergo98 · · Score: 1

      ...you should already be prepared to read lots of typos and shorthand spellings

      Sorry, but it just reads like a very, very lame 1996 IRC session, when the kids first realized that they could create their own sub-language. Of course most of them quickly moved on, and said language became the realm of "newbies".

      Perhaps he could have started it off with an "All Your Base Are Belong To Us", or "YOU ARE THE WEAKEST LINK!", or "Is that your final answer?".

    7. Re:How long? by kzinti · · Score: 2

      Why do I have a feeling that most people focused on Prince's spelling rather than what he was saying?

      Because it's difficult to take him seriously when he writes, as another poster said, like a fourteen year old girl chatting via IM.

      --Jim

    8. Re:How long? by orthogonal · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The only excuse for that "shorthand" crap is if the writer has some physical problem entering text.

      Since we become accustomed to read by seeing regular word forms, "733t" is just a strain on the reader. It lessens the impact of the message, because the reader's resources are spent decyphering the medium. It's insulting to the reader because it points out he's excluded him from whatever subculture uses that "7eet" medium. It's less effective and more annoying: not the way to convince anyone.

    9. Re:How long? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps it is because he has been using shorthand since 1985. Go take a look.

    10. Re:How long? by achurch · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I mean seriously, if you're going to measure somebody's intelligence based on their shorthand (note: these aren't even typos we're talking abouthere) then wtf's the point? We're talking about the same group of people who uses email, instant messaging, IRC, and so on. Yet you're supposed to spell check everything you say?

      Well, yes. Have you ever heard of "manners"? Sure, it's fine to abbreviate and such if you're talking to people you know, but otherwise it's only polite to use proper grammar and spelling. Call it "an attempt at a social class" or whatever you like, but how you write does make an impression on people, and you know what they say about first impressions. If I didn't already know about Prince, I would have been very disinclined to read his entire commentary.

      If you don't take exception to such writing styles, well, good for you--but be aware that many, many people do, and no amount of telling them "don't judge a book by its cover" will change that.

    11. Re:How long? by kzinti · · Score: 2

      Perhaps it is because he has been using shorthand since 1985.

      I'm not surprised. But he still writes like a 14-year-old girl. And I still can't take him seriously.

      --Jim

    12. Re:How long? by moonbender · · Score: 2

      It is. You might want to try nevertheless. It's not bad at all.

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    13. Re:How long? by Jeremi · · Score: 2
      So what would you say if a notable person doesn't speak english as his native language? Would you guys pull this shit with him too?


      If someone isn't a native English speaker, he might be pardoned for using incorrect English. But to the best of my knowledge, Prince is fluent in English, and so he really has no excuse. Using phonetic/symbolic puns is the written equivalent of slang or baby talk. It might be acceptable when IM'ing with friends, but in a published work it's sloppy and dumb.


      I'm glad I'm not that judgemental of people.


      Your leaping to conclusions and holier-than-thou attitude regarding the previous poster's comments suggests that you are in fact judgemental.

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    14. Re:How long? by ColaMan · · Score: 2

      Why do I have a feeling that most people focused on Prince's spelling rather than what he was saying?

      That's exactly the point.

      GSM SMS has a hard limit of 150 or so characters.
      Instant Messengers / IRC have a time limit (for fluid conversation)

      That's where I expect to see abbreviations.

      Articles read by the general public with no real character limit, I expect to see the extended versions which don't require any deciphering. It seriously interrupts your inner monologue to stop and decode the context of '4' or 'U' in a sentence.

      He appears to have an important message to get across. If he wants people to fully comprehend him, he needs to write as clearly as possible, with the least amount of distraction from his message. Abbreviations are fine if they are required. In this case, they appear to be unnecessary, and have distracted people from his message.

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    15. Re:How long? by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 2

      "Your leaping to conclusions and holier-than-thou attitude regarding the previous poster's comments suggests that you are in fact judgemental."

      a.) I've never said I'm not. I don't think very highly of people who nitpick spelling, particularly when it's obvious he wrote it that way on purpose.

      b.) There's a difference between judging somebody as zealously nitpicky and going off half cocked about a man's spelling when he makes a hell of a good point. At least I *read* what he said.

      c.) When somebody criticizes somebody else's spelling, saying things like "he couldn't spend have spent extra time on it?", then what are they doing besides attempting to appear smarter than everybody else? It's one thing to say "Good point, but his spelling made it hard to read", it's another to say "Man, this guy sounds like a 14 year old chick on IM."

      Call me judgemental if you like, but I'm the one who got value out of that article.

    16. Re:How long? by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 2

      Or maybe he wants the people who nitpick everything a celebrity says to over-worry themselves about something frivolous. Kinda like a 'moronically zealous honeypot'. Heh.

      I could see him doing that. "At least they're not ripping my point apart, putting words in my mouth I didn't really say." Maybe if I adopted that writing style, then the only people commenting on my point would be those who took the time to understand it.

    17. Re:How long? by Yorrike · · Score: 1
      Woah. Did you actually read my post or just assume you knew what I was on about?

      Please read this section again: a grasp on which ever language you happen to be speaking.

      I love language, and though my spelling is often sub-par, I would never judge anyone by the language they used, unless they're completely bastardising a perfectly reasonably language in order to gain attention or look "cool".

      Prince did not write in a manner that demanded my respect. He failed in convincing me, through his writing, that his opinion or views where well thought out or accurate, because he intentionally wrote in bad English. Sorry, no sale.

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    18. Re:How long? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what is 'that teet medium' ? =)

    19. Re:How long? by ansible · · Score: 2

      I guess you're not familiar with the Purple one. He's been doing that for a long, long time, way before it was 733t. Go read the lyrics to the Purple Rain album.

    20. Re:How long? by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 2

      So, in other words "you're not worthy of my attention, move on."

      Pity, you missed a good point that way.

    21. Re:How long? by raduga · · Score: 1
      Well, yes. Have you ever heard of "manners"?

      It's bad manners for him to post 1n 31337 on his own web site, and good manners for you to rip him apart on Slashdot? Golly.

      You should send him feedback, demanding an apology.

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    22. Re:How long? by jelle · · Score: 2

      "Abbreviations are fine if they are required. In this case, they appear to be unnecessary, and have distracted people from his message."

      In this case they are required, because in the case of Prince, the particular ones he is using constitute part of his artistical trademark.

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    23. Re:How long? by achurch · · Score: 2

      It's bad manners for him to post 1n 31337 on his own web site, and good manners for you to rip him apart on Slashdot?

      First, if he's writing a message for the general public to read (as opposed to an audience familiar with him), then regardless of where he posts it, he ought to avoid writing "1n 31337"--or at least recognize that doing so will lose him some readers. Second, I was focusing on the parent post, not on Prince's commentary itself, which I was just using as an example. Yes, I am criticizing the commentary, but hey, criticism happens; if you think Prince would be interested in hearing such criticism, feel free to pass it along, but since I don't see a "comments to" link or address on the page, I'll pass.

    24. Re:How long? by norton_I · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It bugs me the most when people write "that way" on purpose. It is hard to read, and hard to understand. I assume his point was not only good, but well voiced, but I wouldn't know. I got a couple of sentences in and stopped reading because the "interesting" manner of writing was too distracting.

      If he likes to be all style and no substance, then writing however he pleases is fine. But I get the impression that he actually cares about communicating to people, in which case he has to learn not to let the frame get in the way of the picture.

      The other factor that weighs in here is that the only thing more annoying (grammer wise, at least) than people who deliberatly write like that because the like it are those who write like that because they think it makes them cool and/or different. I don't know (and don't really care) whether Prince falls into this category or not, but the possibility lowers how seriously I would take what he had to say had I been able to read the whole thing.

    25. Re:How long? by mondoterrifico · · Score: 0

      U are a fsking moron! Prince has always written in this manner, and im quite sure it has nothing to do with his wanting to be l337. Its not hard to read, and in this day of e-mails galore, who doesn't write with some form of shorthand? Intolerant fux

    26. Re:How long? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's also PRINCE. The guy has always been weird. Cut him some slack.

    27. Re:How long? by blue+trane · · Score: 1

      This "shorthand" makes the author look either stupid or lazy (or both) and does nothing to help deliver the intended message.

      Another ad hominem attack...if you heard it read, would it make it better?

    28. Re:How long? by blue+trane · · Score: 1

      If I didn't already know about Prince, I would have been very disinclined to read his entire commentary.

      So you choose to judge a book by its cover, even though you know it's unfair?

    29. Re:How long? by blue+trane · · Score: 1

      Don't worry, maybe he's only directing the message at those he thinks count (obviously not you).

    30. Re:How long? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the kids were imitating him

    31. Re:How long? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you should reissue the works off e. e. cummings with correct capitalization. Or a spelling-checked version of Finnegans Wake...

    32. Re:How long? by thomas.galvin · · Score: 1

      Back when the phrase "you can't judge a book by it's cover" came into being, all books were printed with the same plain-brown cover; you litterally could not tell what book you had in your hands simply by looking at the cover. This is no longer true, and this phrase is now inappropriatly used to imply that the way something looks has no relationship to what something is.

    33. Re:How long? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you don't take exception to such writing styles, well, good for you--but be aware that many, many people do, and no amount of telling them "don't judge a book by its cover" will change that.

      And don't forget to consider context when judging "covers". Remember, you read it from a *direct link* to his NPG Music Club site, a site created for those interested in him and his music, and a place where he doesn't have to play by your or anyone else's rules. News Flash: Artists like to break rules and create new ones.

    34. Re:How long? by innocent_white_lamb · · Score: 1

      if you heard it read, would it make it better?

      Yes, it likely would.

      I maintain that the objective of written communication is to communicate, i.e. to deliver a message of some kind. When you deliberately make the reader "work for it" then you are diluting your message.

      If I am explaining my views to you verbally and we are standing beside a loudspeaker playing the Rolling Stones at high volume, you are likely going to end up with a less complete understanding of my views than you would have if we were standing in a quiet meadow having the same conversation. Same thing.

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    35. Re:How long? by blue+trane · · Score: 1

      One day we'll have converters/translators to dynamically customize the external form (spelling, layout, font, volume, accent, whatever...) of each message for each recipient.

      Also, maybe Prince doesn't care whether you understand his message or not. Maybe he's talking to his fans, who are used to that spelling shit.

    36. Re:How long? by blue+trane · · Score: 1

      Well, the post to which I was replying used the phrase in the sense I used it I believe. I was using his terminology. Please substitute "believe external appearance is more important than content" for "judge a book by its cover" in my post.

      I am not sure of the intent of your post. Are you merely providing information? Or are you implying that because the term originated to describe something other than what it is commonly thought to mean, what I thought it meant is not a valid point?

      It seems similar to the moot/academic nitpick.

    37. Re:How long? by achurch · · Score: 2

      So you choose to judge a book by its cover, even though you know it's unfair?

      Yes, I do. Undoubtedly I'll miss things that way, but I don't have the luxury of infinite time in which to ponder in detail everything that comes to my attention. No matter what I do I have to choose between things I read/view/etc. in detail and those I don't; the cover of a book, the spelling and grammar of a commentary, and so on are simply factors I use to make that decision. (And certainly not the only ones--for example, I did read the commentary despite its style because I heard from others that it had good things to say.)

      If you can give me eternal life, I'll be more than happy to not judge books by their covers, or commentary by its style. If not, well, c'est la vie.

    38. Re:How long? by thomas.galvin · · Score: 1

      I am not sure of the intent of your post. Are you merely providing information? Or are you implying that because the term originated to describe something other than what it is commonly thought to mean, what I thought it meant is not a valid point?

      Pretty much just tossing out a nugget of info. I talk to myself, too. Such is slashdot. Hope you're not offended.

    39. Re:How long? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the future you will kindly refrain from posting anything that has the potential to make me feel miffed :)

    40. Re:How long? by blue+trane · · Score: 1

      "No matter what I do I have to choose between things I read/view/etc. in detail and those I don't; the cover of a book, the spelling and grammar of a commentary, and so on are simply factors I use to make that decision."

      I guess it's a question of how much weight you give to spelling/grammar. I used to give it much more weight than I do now...

      The problem I think I had with your original post was that you seemed to realize that your present method of judging things is a hack, but instead of spending your time trying to figure out how to improve the hack (i.e., how to judge things more fairly), you defended the hack, thereby reproducing and spreading the idea that judging books by their covers is okay...Perhaps your philosphy includes "if you can't beat them, join them"?

      In the case of this Prince commentary, as several posts showed it proved fairly trivial to convert it to conventional spelling. Imagine a filter that converted the less-essential parts of external stimuli to a form more customized for you personally...so you could "make your own covers" with a program that extracted the information you would like to see on covers and packaged it in a way that you find pleasing...The point being: it won't necessarily require eternal life to judge things more fairly...

      </technological evangelism>

    41. Re:How long? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Scru u man, ur 1 of thoz "conformos" arnt u?
      All u jive turkeyz tryin 2 downplay his written werd isnt kewl. Read the dam paper!
      Chek out all the squarez on /. , mannn. All yous guys is judgin a book by it's cover.
      Sumtimes ull miss a gud read if u skip everything u cum across that wasnt written "educated", presentation doesnt matter, just the message. Man....

  6. check this out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    check out
    quit slashdot today.

  7. Gaming banned in Greece! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will the police arrest little girls for jumping rope without a permit? lol!

  8. 733t 71k3 prince by Ted_Green · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    How long before people learn that "haxor talk" is a panty ass way of fitting in?

    1. Re:733t 71k3 prince by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      d00d, pr1nc3 wuz wri+in9 h4x0r b4 ne1 kn3w wh4t hax0r w4s

  9. Prince really screwed them by eldimo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In the 1990s Prince changed his name to The Artist Formerly Known As Prince, then to an unpronouncable symbol. All that to escape a long-term contract he had with Warner Music.
    In 2000 he changed his name back to Prince when his contract expired.

    1. Re:Prince really screwed them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I saw an interview with Prince where he said that he NEVER changed his name to "The Artist Formerly Known As Prince." Thats just the name that all the reporters etc. started calling him because they couldnt pronouce the unpronouncable glyph, and they needed to call him something...

    2. Re:Prince really screwed them by artemis67 · · Score: 2

      Yeah, he really screwed them!

      The post-cool pop star that seemed to be past his prime launched into a high-profile temper tantrum that brought a lot of media attention to himself and sold a lot more records and made them a lot more money.

      I guess he showed them! :-P

    3. Re:Prince really screwed them by Golias · · Score: 5, Informative
      Actually, a press agent (either working for WB, or one of Prince's people who didn't know better, I dont' recall which) told reporters to call him "The Artist Formerly Known As Prince" when asked "How do we pronounce that thing!? And what do we call him when printing in formats that can't use symbols?"

      IIRC, the Minneapolis Star Tribune used that weird symbol for his name fairly consistantly (even though it fucked up their printing process a little). The St. Paul Pioneer press with with the "TAFKAP" option. Both papers did call him "the Artist" on occation, but only in the context of an article where the meaning would be obvious.

      The thing was, Warner held the rights to the name "Prince" for the duration of his contract (even though he went by that name before he even began his career at WB). By changing it to a symbol with no pronounciation, his fans would still call him "Prince", even though he never, ever directly told them to in any media events. Notice how the first album relased with that symbol-name had, as its first single, a song where he shouts, over and over, "my name is Prince". That's all he ever wanted to be called.

      And now you probably know more about TAFKATAFKAP (as I like to call him), than you ever cared to.

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    4. Re:Prince really screwed them by BawbBitchen · · Score: 0, Troll

      Fucking A' go away. Religion is the souce of all evil. Well Religion and Microsoft.

    5. Re:Prince really screwed them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm pretty sure "My Name is Prince" was on the last album before the change. Where you might be confused is, before he adopted it as his own name, he made it the name of an album (that same one, IIRC).

      As for what his fans called him, I saw some of them type things like "O+>".

    6. Re:Prince really screwed them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for the info.

    7. Re:Prince really screwed them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >what do we call him when printing in formats that can't use symbols?

      TAFKAPWCHNTAWSTLLTSSOAEBWAST?

      (The Artist Formerly Known As Prince Who Changed His Name To A Weird Symbol That Looks Like The Shop Sign Of An Esoterics Bookstore Which Also Sells Trumpets)

    8. Re:Prince really screwed them by schon · · Score: 2

      And now you probably know more about TAFKATAFKAP (as I like to call him), than you ever cared to.

      Actually, I prefer Glenn McCoy's version:
      "The artist who until recently was referred to as the artist formerly known as Prince"

      (Sorry, I can't find the exact Duplex strip this appeared in, but it's in the archives somewhere.. 1998 or 1999, IIRC)

  10. Pr!nc3 must be one 7337 d00d! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pr!nc3 must be one 7337 d00d!

  11. Gaming Ban in Greece - out of the blue by georgevulov · · Score: 1

    I have a friend in Greece, and when I asked him yesterday about this, he was very surpirsed. He told me that gaming is popular in Greece, and no one knew that a law was being passed to ban it. He thinks the public opposition is too high for the law to hold, and will be eventually repealed.

    --
    TerraIM - my pet AIM client project.
    1. Re:Gaming Ban in Greece - out of the blue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ignorance is no excuse for breaking the law. Now, pay the fine or go to gaol.

    2. Re:Gaming Ban in Greece - out of the blue by GigsVT · · Score: 1

      The date is the late 60s..

      "I have a friend in the US, and when I asked him yesterday about this, he was very surprised. He told me that LSD is popular in the US, and no one knew that a law was being passed to ban it. He thinks the public opposition is too high for the law to hold, and it will be eventually repealed."

      In other words, a large percentage of the population using or doing something that gets banned is not a good excuse for total ignorance and apathy about what your government is doing. Whenever I tell my dad about the insane laws that get proposed, he is always like "that will never get passed, or if it does, it won't stand up in court". And he is fairly politically active even. That is never something you should fall back on and assume that public outcry will prevent the government from taking away your rights.

      --
      I've had enough abrasive sigs. Kittens are cute and fuzzy.
    3. Re:Gaming Ban in Greece - out of the blue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The date is the late 60s..

      "I have a friend in the US, and when I asked him yesterday about this, he was very surprised. He told me that LSD is popular in the US, and no one knew that a law was being passed to ban it. He thinks the public opposition is too high for the law to hold, and it will be eventually repealed."

      In other words, a large percentage of the population using or doing something that gets banned is not a good excuse for total ignorance and apathy about what your government is doing. Whenever I tell my dad about the insane laws that get proposed, he is always like "that will never get passed, or if it does, it won't stand up in court". And he is fairly politically active even. That is never something you should fall back on and assume that public outcry will prevent the government from taking away your rights."


      The problem is that people the world round are no longer willing to die for freedom. When america was founded everyone who braved the ocean crossing was doing so for liberty. They were all willing to die for freedom. To them, a Life without liberty wasn't worth living. That's why they rose up against the tyranny of england.

      This is why our founding fathers would have vehimantly opposed the 'homeland security act.' There is no need, and no point to remove rights from US citizens, lawful or not, to combat 'terrorism' that is being enacted by foriegners overseas. The 'HSA' is designed to turn americans against americans, it's entirely modeled after the plans laid out in mein kamph. The point of that bill is to control the massess through lies, the bigger the lies, the more willing the people will devour them. Welcome to the fourth reich everyone, it's the Fasicst states of america...

    4. Re:Gaming Ban in Greece - out of the blue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Back when I lived in Russia most laws were not enforceable anyway, the officials didn't follow them themselves, basically people who wanted to do business (legal or illegal) just had to bribe the right people at the right place at the right time, otherwise they would get screwed. So from my perspective the ban looks just like a way for the government officials to get rich off bribes from the highly profitable game industry... maybe I'm just too pessimistic.

    5. Re:Gaming Ban in Greece - out of the blue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      s/tyranny/taxes/

      The US revolution wasn't about ideals. It was about a bunch of laywers who didn't want to pay taxes.

    6. Re:Gaming Ban in Greece - out of the blue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pou zis re MALAKA, siga min eginan gia tin eleutheria. paparia toubana.

  12. Or don't check it out, because it's nonsense... by Wee · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Check out the artist's commentary A Nation of Thieves wherein Prince wonders, "How long, however, b4 a critical ... 2 leave the system 4 good ... 2gether 2 ... "

    How could we possibly "check that out"? How can anyone read and comprehend that sort of crap? I guess people no longer need IM to prove they are idiots; now they can write whole manifestoes and remove all doubt. Or maybe Prince is trying to be artsy, I dunno. He just comes off as unintelligible, which flies in the face of communication's goals just a bit if he's trying to accomplish something with his writing.

    "The technology and entertainment industries r simply 2 big 4 us 2 xpect any overnight changes." And they probably took at least one English class, too, so you probably aren't going to convince anyone to do anything that you want them to do if you attempt to use the written word, Prince...

    -B

    --

    Ash and Hickory, straight-grained and true, make excellent bludgeons, dandy for the cudgeling of vegetarians.

    1. Re:Or don't check it out, because it's nonsense... by RatBastard · · Score: 1

      Why was the parent modded as flamebait? Whiy is the truth flamebait?

      --
      Boobies never hurt anyone. - Sherry Glaser.
    2. Re:Or don't check it out, because it's nonsense... by ShoeHead · · Score: 1

      Maybe he should just stick to communicating with symbols.

      --The Shoe

    3. Re:Or don't check it out, because it's nonsense... by Squiggle · · Score: 1

      I was very surprised by the nature of the Prince manifesto as well. At first I was put off, but if you actually *read* it without prejudice then you would quickly understand that he does have a good grasp of language and grammar. He uses very carefully chosen and specific words when they are appropriate, it is mainly the context that gets manipulated.

      Basically he seems unafraid to start using a new symbol system... a system that for better or worse is beginning to take hold as the literacy rate increases and more people are reading and writing. Increased literacy will hopefully promote a better and simpler system of reading symbols, and to suppose that written English language is already at a optimal or "good" state is ignoring history and non-English symbol systems. There is really little difference between "be4" and "before" besides a difference in symbology. (Yes, Im making up these terms as I am hardly a linguist, but I have no doubt I'll be painfully corrected.)

      Although I generally find "leetspeak" to make communication more difficult, this article did not negatively impact my ability to understand it even using nontraditional spelling.

      I refuse 2 cast judgement b4 I learn about what I am 2 judge.

      --
      Complexity Happens
    4. Re:Or don't check it out, because it's nonsense... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He writes the way he's written his lyrics and song titles for 20 years.
      Thought "U" might have worked that out by now.

    5. Re:Or don't check it out, because it's nonsense... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe he wants you to slow down and think about what you are reading. Wouldn't be the first time somebody obfuscated text for that purpose. (Note: It is still considered taboo to traslate the Koran into modern languages.)

    6. Re:Or don't check it out, because it's nonsense... by Wee · · Score: 2
      Why is the truth flamebait?

      That's a huge question. And a good one. It often is, but not this time; my opinion remains that Prince is more than a little unintelligeable and because of this he is not that bright. As I said previously, Prince's actively trying to make communication more difficult while simultaneously trying use that communication to further his aims should bear this opnion out as being more fact than fiction.

      However, the answer in this case should be obvious; this is, after all, Slashdot. It's groupthink truth that counts here, not real truth. Prince says <insert media conglomerate name here> is bad, music from/for the masses is good. I say he's not helping anyone's cause by adopting (purely for the sake of being artsy, IMO) the writing style of a horny 14 year-old IM freak. Because Prince == freedom and goodness (for the moment) and my post was critical of Prince, I'm therefore being critical of (against) free music, which is never good (even when true). My post, by that reasoning, was meant to do nothing but be critically inflammatory of anyone advocating free music and so should have been moderated as such (I'd have been happier if it was modded as "inciteful").

      At least I think that's what "they" think. The moderator, god help them, could have simply been a Prince fan and I was dissing his boy (far too easy a target). It's hard to say sometimes. Not that I care, especially. Slashdot lost it's audience three years ago or so and is now not much more than an amusement. There's the occasional good bit, though, and sometimes "lightweight" banter is what a mind needs.

      Overall, I'd say moderation does an OK job, but it's never something to worry about. Remember that even guys like Galileo and Vesalius and Copernicus were once modded down as flamebait too. (By which I am merely illustrating a point, not comparing anything I've ever uttered to anything any of them have done or written...)

      Well, that's about 10 minutes more thought than I wanted to give to Prince. The short answer is "Don't swim upstream."

      -B

      --

      Ash and Hickory, straight-grained and true, make excellent bludgeons, dandy for the cudgeling of vegetarians.

    7. Re:Or don't check it out, because it's nonsense... by aronc · · Score: 1

      I say he's not helping anyone's cause by adopting (purely for the sake of being artsy, IMO) the writing style of a horny 14 year-old IM freak.

      I agree that it doesn't help the readability and respectability that he writes that way. However, I think the "writes like" causation runs the other way. As early as 1981 Prince started doing substitutions like that (U for you in 'Jack U Off' from Controversy) and it was even stronger in evidence by 1984 (Purple Rain - 'I Would Die 4 U'). While those examples don't predate the net itself they do vastly predate use by the masses.

      --

      jello.
      aka aron.
    8. Re:Or don't check it out, because it's nonsense... by GigsVT · · Score: 1

      Redundancy is good. Clear written communication relies on having some redundancy so that a single typo isn't likely to result in miscommunication.

      Besides, boiling the language down to some simplified form removes connotations and such, and it's very much like 1984 newspeak to do so.

      --
      I've had enough abrasive sigs. Kittens are cute and fuzzy.
    9. Re:Or don't check it out, because it's nonsense... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Check out the artist's commentary A Nation of Thieves wherein Prince wonders, "How long, however, b4 a critical ... 2 leave the system 4 good ... 2gether 2 ... "

      The author formerly known as "Jon Katz".

    10. Re:Or don't check it out, because it's nonsense... by jelle · · Score: 2

      Prince has been using that style for decades. It's been his trademark since the beginning of pop music.

      Probably that was before you opened your eyes to the world.

      --
      --- Hindsight is 20/20, but walking backwards is not the answer.
    11. Re:Or don't check it out, because it's nonsense... by jelle · · Score: 2

      "Prince's actively trying to make communication more difficult"...

      Just try listening to his lyrics. I mean listen to more than just the punchline 'sign o the times', but listen to the whole story. Yes Prince is actually a music artist that uses songs to tell complete stories instead of repeating the same thing until the three minutes are up. And they are stories that convey a feeling, or an opinion, or are meant to make people think about something.

      --
      --- Hindsight is 20/20, but walking backwards is not the answer.
    12. Re:Or don't check it out, because it's nonsense... by Chasuk · · Score: 2

      While I found Prince's letter/number substitutions annoying, it barely affected readability.

      I found his essay comprehensible, intelligible, and, largely, grammatically sound. I suspect that his artsy pretension was a display for his fans, and that he assumed the rest of us would have communication skills sufficient to see through the unnecessary shorthand.

      Judging by the brouhaha criticizing the form rather than analyzing the content, I sadly conclude that he was wrong.

    13. Re:Or don't check it out, because it's nonsense... by blue+trane · · Score: 1

      Besides, boiling the language down to some simplified form removes connotations and such

      The spelling would be irrelevant if you listened to it instead of reading it. Or if you're referring to hearing a word, spelling it out in your mind, then making some etymological connection based on the (non-phonetic) spelling, well, I think that's an acceptable loss for the gain in simplicity.

    14. Re:Or don't check it out, because it's nonsense... by Wee · · Score: 2
      Prince has been using that style for decades. It's been his trademark since the beginning of pop music.
      Probably that was before you opened your eyes to the world.

      You assume that because Prince's trademark is indecipherable that I'm young? That doesn't follow. I'm 35 years old and I remember Prince just fine. His style was as annoying then as it is now. My points stand that he's not helping his cause with his "style" and that it virtually guarantees that he'll continue to do nothing but preach to the choir.

      -B

      --

      Ash and Hickory, straight-grained and true, make excellent bludgeons, dandy for the cudgeling of vegetarians.

    15. Re:Or don't check it out, because it's nonsense... by Patersmith · · Score: 1


      How did this flamebait get modded up to (Score:4) Insightful?

    16. Re:Or don't check it out, because it's nonsense... by Wee · · Score: 2
      I suspect that his artsy pretension was a display for his fans, and that he assumed the rest of us would have communication skills sufficient to see through the unnecessary shorthand.

      Judging by the brouhaha criticizing the form rather than analyzing the content, I sadly conclude that he was wrong.

      That was precisely my point. It was hard to see past the format of the medium to get at the intent of the message. He reduced the effectiveness of his communication by adopting the writing style he chose.

      -B

      --

      Ash and Hickory, straight-grained and true, make excellent bludgeons, dandy for the cudgeling of vegetarians.

  13. Google Working again ? by ramzak2k · · Score: 1

    Are you sure your friend is inside china ?

    I just tried to test it on http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/filtering/china/test/

    These were the results :
    Starting testing...
    Stage one testing complete.
    Stage two testing complete.

    Testing complete for http://google.com. Result:
    Reported as inaccessible in China

    --

    Siggy Say, Siggy Do
    1. Re:Google Working again ? by ramzak2k · · Score: 1

      And the same results for www.google.cn
      If your information is right, this could be a nice bug I could report to the guys at harvard.

      Starting testing...
      Stage one testing complete.
      Stage two testing complete.

      Testing complete for http://www.google.com/intl/zh-CN/. Result:
      Reported as inaccessible in China

      --

      Siggy Say, Siggy Do
    2. Re:Google Working again ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Testing complete for http://www.sexmonkey.com. Result:
      Reported as accessible in China

      Starting testing...
      Stage one testing complete.
      Stage two testing complete.

      Testing complete for http://www.chinasucks.com. Result:
      Reported as accessible in China

    3. Re:Google Working again ? by H3XA · · Score: 1

      I am in China and still no Google for me :(

      - HeXa

    4. Re:Google Working again ? by H3XA · · Score: 1

      Here is a traceroute.....

      Tracing route to www.google.com [216.239.33.101] over a maximum of 30 hops:

      1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.1.1
      2 43 ms 43 ms 43 ms x.x.x.x
      3 42 ms 43 ms 47 ms x.x.x.x
      4 43 ms 43 ms 43 ms 990-A1-33.nj.jsinfo.net [61.132.68.33]
      5 41 ms 43 ms 44 ms 990-A1-222.nj.jsinfo.net [61.132.68.222]
      6 42 ms 43 ms 43 ms 202.102.8.169
      7 42 ms 50 ms 44 ms 202.102.8.169
      8 45 ms 42 ms 44 ms 61.132.78.209
      9 50 ms 45 ms 47 ms 61.132.78.61
      10 52 ms 48 ms 57 ms 61.132.78.5
      11 60 ms 55 ms 48 ms 61.132.23.114
      12 64 ms 49 ms 51 ms p-3-0-r1-c-shsh-1.cn.net [202.97.39.9]
      13 202.97.33.90 reports: Destination host unreachable.

      Trace complete.

      The 202.97.x.x address pool seem to be the ones blocking traffic from the various tracerts I have done to blocked sites...... foreign search engines in general seem to be acting "weird" from China now - access comes and goes....

      - HeXa

    5. Re:Google Working again ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      same here, i'm a foreign student here in beijing, still no google :(

  14. Lance's continuing adventures by (void*) · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Reuters reports: Russia's space agency has scrapped 'N Sync singer Lance Bass's plans to join an October space mission after the U.S. pop star failed to meet payment deadlines."

    Watch Lance get himself into AOTC: $-5


    Watch Lance get rejected by Lucas: $5000


    Watch Lance get on space mission: $-10000
    Watch Lance's VISA bounce: priceless!


    For everything else there's MasterCard.

    1. Re:Lance's continuing adventures by Dave_B93 · · Score: 1
      Actually I think that's incorrect. Lance wasn't there to be filmed for AOTC.

      See the article at The Force.net

    2. Re:Lance's continuing adventures by RebelTycoon · · Score: 1

      and here is an excellent example of way to much time on your hands to know this fact..

      the other example is me taking the time to reply to this message and to have even been reading this tread.

    3. Re:Lance's continuing adventures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually the Russians are saying they don't care if he coughs up $40Mil, he isn't going up. 'cause if you break a deal you face the wheel. Anyhow, Russian contracts can be very tricky and they take them very seriously. If you don't pay on time, don't ever expect to do buisness with them again.

    4. Re:Lance's continuing adventures by Dave_B93 · · Score: 1

      Well, when this news was first coming out my g/f at the time was into N'Sync. Since she's a particular fan of Lance it was important to know. :)

  15. Have Lottery for Space Flight by CmdrStkFjta · · Score: 0, Interesting

    Instead of winning money. Excess revenue goes to the space program.

    --


    *SRU
    1. Re:Have Lottery for Space Flight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd buy a ticket or two for that.

  16. Prince... by spectecjr · · Score: 2, Troll

    You know, it amazes me how many popstars come out in favor of music-sharing after they've made their millions and millions of dollars, bought their flash cars, and the real nice mansion in Beverly Hills.

    Why don't we hear the artists who aren't Top 20, platinum album, millions in the bank jumping up and down in favor of this?

    Oh yeah.. that's right... because they actually want the chance to get up there themselves.

    --
    Coming soon - pyrogyra
    1. Re:Prince... by Bilestoad · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or maybe because they don't have the pull to get their thoughts on the matter published where you will see them.

      Duh....

    2. Re:Prince... by efuseekay · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Prince is a good artist. In fact, he is very good.If he is "out-of-favour", then it is just a sad case of how the current "in-favour" musicians suck because his "old" music is still much better than your regular Britney crap.

      Now that aside, you are missing the point of his article.

      His article is not about defending the file-sharing people : he is writing about protecting artists' rights. Yes, he wants to make lots more money. But he has the right to, like everybody else.

      --
      Mode (3) smart-aleck mode. Press * to return to main menu.
    3. Re:Prince... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are plenty of unsigned artists in favor of this, you just won't read about them in Time Magazine. America loves celebrity. Nobody in the media cares about what Jason Cole and his highschool garage ban in Iowa think about file sharing. Use your head.

      Haven't you ever been to MP3.com?

    4. Re:Prince... by DennisZeMenace · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Errrrr, why don't you ask Janis Ian how many millions of dollars she has in the bank ? Or how many albums she has in the top 20 ?

      DZM

    5. Re:Prince... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You again. Why don't you crawl back in your dark little hole, and beat off to your pictures of Hitlary Rosen and Billy Gates, you MickySoft-worshipping, RIAA-loving freak?!

    6. Re:Prince... by spectecjr · · Score: 1

      You again. Why don't you crawl back in your dark little hole, and beat off to your pictures of Hitlary Rosen and Billy Gates, you MickySoft-worshipping, RIAA-loving freak?!

      Sure, just as soon as you give them back. Don't forget to wipe the spooge off them first.

      You know, if you really had a point, you would have the guts to post under your own name. Or perhaps that would take a certain modicum of intelligence and courage of your convictions that you don't have. Pussy.

      --
      Coming soon - pyrogyra
    7. Re:Prince... by madprof · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > Why don't we hear the artists who aren't Top 20,
      > platinum album, millions in the bank jumping up
      > and down in favor of this?

      You do. Have you not found any of the huge number of mp3 showcase sites for artists not on major labels?
      Lots of music waiting to be downloaded.

    8. Re:Prince... by Golias · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Actually, Prince is making more money off his music now than he ever did during the peak of his years with Warner.

      He sells to far fewer people, but he keeps more of what he makes.

      Most of his money from his "Purple Rain" days went into Paisley Park studios, which turned out to be an unprofitable venture. (It's a kick-ass studio, but one of many in the Minneapolis area. Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis have their own operation just an hour or so away.)

      The fabulous wealth he currently enjoys was made outside the studio system. He's not "Top 20" for two reasons:

      1. He gets zero airplay now that he doesn't have a pimp... er... label.

      2. Nearly all of his sales are sold on-line by the NPG site, so Billboard doesn't even track most of the sales he gets.

      If he wanted to become a mega-star, by your definition, again, it would probably only take one phone call to Sony or Geffin. He feels that he's better off where he's at, and he's trying to point out that many other musicians would be, too.

      --

      Information wants to be anthropomorphized.

    9. Re:Prince... by Phanatic1a · · Score: 1

      Why? How is either question relevant to, well, anything?

      Not having even one million dollars in the bank and not having even a single album in the Top 20 is far more typical an experience for a musician than being Britney Spears.

    10. Re:Prince... by WEFUNK · · Score: 2

      Also, have you noticed just how many "Greatest Hits" and "Best of..." albums are coming out? Even from relatively new groups and from artists have put out several in the last few years. I think most of the established artists know that the writing is on the wall and are probably looking to cash out while they can. Most of the motivation is probably monetary, and due to pressure from the labels, but I'm hoping that some of those artists are doing this to wrap up their existing contracts in anticipation of a new model to come.

      For those complaining about Prince's spelling - it doesn't really matter. Not many people will actually read the words of his article, but the fact that he's made his general position clear is pretty important. He's still remembered as a big star by enough of the general public that adding his name to the growing list of disgruntled artists is a good thing. More importantly he's pretty well respected by artists across a range of genres, right down to and including today's disposable bubble gum popstars (who will probably be the first to rebel en masse, once they are dropped for the next big thing and/or they try to grow into their older more artistic wannabe phase).

      Sure, Prince is coming out and saying this when he really has nothing to lose (in fact, he's probably counting on a new model for future revenue). But sooner or later rich and poor artists alike will need to wake up to the new reality.

      --
      My next sig will be ready soon, but friends can beat the rush!
    11. Re:Prince... by nathanm · · Score: 2
      You know, it amazes me how many popstars come out in favor of music-sharing after they've made their millions and millions of dollars, bought their flash cars, and the real nice mansion in Beverly Hills.

      Why don't we hear the artists who aren't Top 20, platinum album, millions in the bank jumping up and down in favor of this?

      Oh yeah.. that's right... because they actually want the chance to get up there themselves.
      There are thousands of independent artists that are in favor of p2p. But because they aren't rich & famous, they don't get heard by as wide an audience as Prince.
    12. Re:Prince... by namespan · · Score: 2

      Put this in your pipe and smoke it.

      OK, for those too lazy to click on the link:

      "Peer-to-peer technology is sortof like the high tech version of students playing their CDs in their cars. It has the potential to do what word of mouth did for me... You give something to your audience, and it always seems to come back somehow."

      --Peter Breinholt

      He's one of several local Utah artists who have eschewed label deals -- not because they couldn't get them, but because they knew they'd likely get ripped off. Each of those bands make money when they play a show, and sell lots of CDs. Why sign with the label if you will suddenly make no money off of CD sales until you go platinum?

      Prince may have been not particularly articulate, but he's right. Artists are realizing the system doesn't do much for them, and standing outside. They lose the possibility of making it huge overnight, but they keep control of their art and careers, and the good ones -- funny thing -- succeed anyway.

      And P2P, as it turns out, can help. Again, funny thing.

      --
      Libertarianism is rich wolves and poor sheep playing gambler's ruin for dinner.
    13. Re:Prince... by alizard · · Score: 2
      Why don't we hear the artists who aren't Top 20, platinum album, millions in the bank jumping up and down in favor of this?

      Why would the media care about them enough to repeat their words? I've heard more of the same and nastier from midlabel and unsigned artists... but if you get your news from TV, you wouldn't know this, would you?

      I got interested in this because I'm working on a promotional project for an indie musician right now that depends on the existence of P2P and what's left of Internet Radio to work. One of the headaches with respect to the project is that the targets keep shifting as RIAA closes them down.

      I expect to be able to go into active marketing in about 3 weeks. Due to your buddies at RIAA, I have no idea where we'll be uploading our promo MP3 tracks and won't until just before we do.

      You are just another RIAA-brainwashed idiot who mistakes a promotional tool (128K MP3) for a product (CD album)... you probably can't hear the difference.

    14. Re:Prince... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are a lot of artists that have come out against p2p, Not just Metallica either. The Courtney Love rant on Salon said that Napster should pay her, there was the "artists against piracy" who wanted control of their copyrights, their site is no longer up, but there is still an article about it on news.com

    15. Re:Prince... by rodgerd · · Score: 2

      Experience. They've already been fucked sideways and back, like Johnny Cash, Prince, and countless others. They know from painful first hand experience that in the long term it's easy to end up with nothing in your pocket, and a whole lot of people made multi-millionaires as a result of your hard work.

      As for the young artists - it's a bit like the people who leapt into the .com pool fresh out of college, worked their arse off for a tiny salary and a pile of worthless options. They dreamed of success, while their managers and VCs hoovered capital out of the company and into their own pockets.

      Anyone who signs a recording contract expecting to get rich is almost certainly an idiot. Might as well go after lottery tickets. Especially as new contracts become more oppressive (artists could once rely on tours and merchandise sales to make up for the fact albums usually lose money; now even that avenue is being hovered up by recording companies).

      And FWIW, I'd rather burn a copy of the new CDs I want and send the artists $10 cash. It'd be 10 times what they get now, cost me one third of what I pay (plus blank media). Which is the kind of deal Prince is promoting. If people actually did this, artists would actually get rich.

    16. Re:Prince... by solarrhino · · Score: 1
      Ricky Skaggs did it. You may not like country or bluegrass, but in those genre he was/is a genuine superstar, and he walked away, created his own label, and has reportedly been doing great for years (even before "Oh Brother Where Art Thou").

      I believe there are actually quite a few others. Maybe you don't hear about them because nobody's paying the "machine" to hype them; and you don't hear about popstars doing it because, without a hyped up image, you have to have some actual musical talent :-).

      --
      "Lord, grant that I may always be right, for Thou knowest that I am hard to turn" -- A Scots-Irish prayer
    17. Re:Prince... by iabervon · · Score: 2

      As a former mega-star, it's to his advantage to be independant. But he's selling to the number of people he is now because he got an established fan base as a mega-star. The thing is that you make a lot more money as a signed musician nobody's heard of than as an unsigned one nobody's heard of. And becoming well-known is also a lot easier if you're signed.

      So I wonder if Prince would like to get played on internet radio along with other independants, famous and unknown. For that matter, I wonder if he'd like to run an internet radio station and pick the unknowns he thinks should skip the major label phase.

    18. Re:Prince... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      um, because presumably she supports file sharing, and hasn't already made her millions, thereby providing a direct counter example to the parent poster's claim.

    19. Re:Prince... by sgtrock · · Score: 1

      Why don't you ask the Dixie Chicks (who made by most estimates something like $750 million for their label on one record) how much money they have in the bank?

      Someone already asked that question. The answer? Less than $1 million each. And they honestly believe that they got one of the best recording deals available in Nashville.

      Now, you may hate country music. But don't you think that's just a bit of a rip off of the artists?

      Seems to me that maybe Prince, Janis Ian, IceT, and Courtney Love have a point. It's time the artists dumped the record companies!

    20. Re:Prince... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Again, you cannot deny that Prince's current financial success is largely due to the status he gained as a result of big-label association. If Warner Bros. dropped him, say, after "Dirty Mind" (his 3rd album, and one which didn't do so well on the charts), we never would have heard "1999" or his "Purple Rain" breakthrough, or anything thereafter. Yeah, he sold his soul (figuratively speaking) in the earlier years, and he longs to gain some of it back (e.g., rights to the master recordings), but he himself has said that he wouldn't be where he is now if it weren't for Warner Bros. He remembers where he came from.

  17. WOTC should publish the losers by LordNimon · · Score: 2
    After all, that's 10,989 campaign settings for gamers to play with. Since WOTC has already rejected them, why should they care if other people use them?

    Heck, they could combine them into one giant 10,000+ page PDF and charge a few bucks to download it.

    --
    And the men who hold high places must be the ones who start
    To mold a new reality... closer to the heart
    1. Re:WOTC should publish the losers by JimTheta · · Score: 2

      Check out EN World, one of the best D&D sites on the net. They have a bunch of the loser settings available for download, and they're thinking of publishing their "best loser" (by some kind of voting process) under their Natural 20 Press PDF product label.

      Actually, that particular announcement is probably off the front page now, so try this link: Setting Proposals.

      -Grant

  18. Princes' Thing (partially translated) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    [After a few search-and-replaces, you get something a bit more readable...]

    Something happened on the way to the 21st century. Media and entertainment companies started "converging" and "shareholder value" became far more important than customer service and respect for company employees ever managed to b. Compensation packages for company executives hit the stratosphere -- while holding them accountable for their company's results became nearly impossible.

    These executives are indeed very naïve if they think that people haven't noticed.

    People are noticing that something isn't quite right -- that something is indeed very wrong. After a decade during which the stock market gained apparent respectability as a legitimate, sensible 4m of investing, the recent slew of huge corporate scandals reveals that it is still what it has always been: a sick place where neurotic, puerile gamblers get their kicks off the backs of millions of "anonymous" workers and individuals, who have no control over what happens to their hard-earned retirement savings.

    Yet this is the place that most company executives feel is much more important to watch than the actual people for whom they produce their goods and services. This is the place where the fate of thousands of employees is decided every day by people staring at computer monitors showing ever-changing, meaningless lists of numbers and charts. And if u happen to personally hold shares in a company that has just announced that it is "restructuring" in order to improve its bottom-line and thus increase its "shareholder value", don't kid yourself: When the company is talking about "shareholders", it's not talking about u and ur measly couple of thousands of shares. It's only talking about big shareholders -- i.e. other companies that own a more significant share of its market value.

    This is a world where "hostile takeovers" and government-approved "mergers" are feeding a never-ending cycle of fewer and fewer executives wielding more and more power on a multinational scale. Soon enough, the "World Company" and George Orwell's 1984 will no longer b the stuff of satire or fiction -- but prophetic descriptions of a very real "New World Order" gradually unfolding before are eyes.

    A Little History
    Let's start with a simple list: America Online, Time, Life, Warner Bros., Fortune, Elektra, Sports Illustrated, HBO, Turner Broadcasting, CNN, Cinemax, Entertainment Weekly, New Line Cinema, In Style, Warner/Chappell Music, Time Warner Cable, WBN, ICQ, Warner Music Group, Netscape, People, Reprise, Rhino, Atlantic, WEA, TNT, MapQuest, WinAmp, In Demand, Erato, Moviefone, Road Runner, etc. All owned by the same corporate giant (AOL Time Warner).

    And another one: Universal Music Group, Verve, Nathan, Canal+, Impulse!, Cegetel, USA Networks, Decca, Interscope, Geffen, A&M, Barclay, Armand Colin, L'Express, Universal Studios, Larousse, Sierra, MP3.com, MCA Records, Deutsche Grammophon, Cineplex, etc. All owned by the same corporate giant (Vivendi Universal).

    And yet another one: Disney, ABC, ESPN, Hyperion, Miramax, Touchstone, Hollywood Pictures, A&E, The History Channel, E! Entertainment, RTL-2, Buena Vista, Mr. Showbiz, Wall of Sound, Mammoth Records, etc. All owned by the same corporate giant (Walt Disney).

    Need we say more? See for yourself... There's already only 7 of these corporate giants in total -- and how long will it b before there are even fewer?

    It all began innocently enough. Young entrepreneurs in the early 20th century started up new companies with a mix of creative ambition and business acumen. Then these companies grew bigger and bigger, and whatever entrepreneurial vision was present at their birth became more and more diluted and less and less relevant. Then corporate accountants suggested merging with or taking over other companies -- and it all became an all-2-real game of Monopoly.

    Then the Internet and "new technologies" came about, and the accountants' next big idea was convergence -- i.e. the merging of "content" providers and "access" providers in order to control everything from the inception of a "cultural product" to its ultimate consumption by the unsuspecting masses.

    The Art of Manipulation
    It is easy to guess what got lost along the way... Creativity. Artistry. Independence. Critical objectivity. Uncontrolled access. The ability to "break thru" cultural barriers. Cultural diversity. Innovation. Freedom. Real music. Real art.

    Juggling between art and commerce is a delicate balance at the best of times... and these are definitely NOT the best of times.

    So now we have a so-called magazine "reporting" on the latest new blockbuster movie with a 10-page, full-color spread -- as if the reporters weren't aware that the same company that produced the movie also owns their magazine... Yes, this is still called a "magazine". These are still called "reporters". And this is still called "journalism"... And yet millions of people are gleefully letting themselves b had.

    Maybe we should stop calling this "art", or even "entertainment" for that matter -- for what is so entertaining about being involved in a collective hallucination? Maybe we should start calling it what it really is, i.e. unfettered MANIPULATION.

    In 1995, Clear Channel Communications owned 43 radio stations. Now it owns more than 1,200 -- and its army of so-called "independent promoters" are letting legalized payola dictate what u get (or rather don't get) to hear on the radio.

    Everywhere u look, the story is the same: more and more money, less and less choice, less and less freedom of access, fewer and fewer companies. How far will this have to go before a big shift in people's attitude causes this commercial hubris to collapse on2 itself and implode?

    Power Struggles
    The first major cracks in this highly concentrated corporate world have, of course, already begun to appear, in what has been making the headlines in the past few months, i.e. shady accounting practices involving enormous amounts of money -- enough to shake the economy of the most powerful nation of the world. And the hysterical stock markets have of course been swayed by this news, at the expense of tens of thousands of workers worldwide and millions of small investors who thought that their holdings had nowhere to go but up.

    The value of AOL Time Warner's stock is now a quarter of what it was at the time of the merger between AOL and Time Warner, and this decline 4ced the company to take a $54 billion writedown earlier this year. And now it to is being investigated about its accounting practices. The story at Vivendi Universal is similar. Disney shares are near an 8-year low. And there is little doubt in people's mind that the problems are similar everywhere, in every big conglomerate that has become utterly out of touch with the reality of everyday work and the essence of human creativity.

    In addition, people also realize all to well that governments have little -- if any -- power left when it comes to regulating these multinational monsters. Governments have much more power when it comes to regulating the lives of ordinary, law-abiding citizens -- and they use and abuse this power as a way to distract people's attention from how much control the conglomerates have over what we get to hear, watch, read, eat, drink, buy, and generally experience as "free" citizens of the world.

    One of the areas where this struggle is most acutely felt is, of course, the online world -- a sprawling, anarchic community that is still in its infancy and whose exponential development in the last decade took everyone by surprise. And nothing exemplifies the struggle between government, big business, and individual rights better than the highly controversial issue of "peer-2-peer" file sharing and its many digital variations.

    A Nation of Thieves?
    Will the media/technology giants recover from the latest stock market slump? They probably will -- but at what cost? In all likelihood, the cost will b more "restructuring", more layoffs, more executive shuffles and golden parachutes, causing even further alienation from their own employees and customers. And this, in turn, will further encourage the very behaviors that they claim are illegal and want punished by criminal law -- all the while preserving their own impunity as they continue to carelessly flounder a capital that they do not own.

    Napster may have gone bankrupt and become a closed chapter in the Internet's short history, but its death is by no means a reflection of a decline in peer-2-peer (P2P) file sharing, quite the contrary. If anything, P2P has grown even further -- but since it's becoming totally decentralized, there is no easy way to measure its significance.

    What is for sure, however, is that, in spite of its many claims to the contrary, the recording industry has yet to provide evidence that P2P is actually detrimental to music making as an artistic endeavor, and even as a commercial venture. It is worth remembering, for example, that sales of music CDs actually increased when Napster was at its peak, and declined after Napster was abruptly shut down. Even economists who thought that file sharing "should b" hurting the recording industry are now expressing their doubts, based on what they say is simply not happening.

    More importantly, many well-respected artists have sided with Internet users against corporate greed and actually use the Internet to promote alternative ways to distribute their music and reach out to a non-captive, legitimate audience of authentic music lovers.

    This does not mean, of course, that all forms of file sharing are equally innocuous. There is little doubt that, when people use the Internet as a substitute for radio, i.e. as a way to discover new music, it can help promote the work of artists. But when a young junior high school student downloads tracks off the Internet and makes CD-R copies of them that he then sells for $5 in the schoolyard, it hurts sales of the original CD and it's disrespectful of the artist -- regardless of how small a cut of the actual CD price the artist actually gets after all the executives and the middlemen in the recording industry have taken their piece of the pie.

    Still, can we really go as far as to say that digital technology is creating a "nation of thieves" who no longer recognize the just value of art?

    Protecting the Product
    It is worth noting, to begin with, that the recording industry itself is far from having distinguished itself by recognizing the true value of art. Instead, it has consistently fought to b allowed to deprive many artists of their most fundamental rights. It has allowed popular artists to go bankrupt even though their albums were selling by the millions. It has reduced the artists' cut of the album sales pie to a ridiculously small portion of the actual income generated by these sales. It has consistently pushed commercial musical products at the expense of real musical artistry.

    This hardly entitles the recording industry to lecture anyone about recognizing the just value of art.

    It is also interesting to note that the cultural products that seem to b the primary concern of the industry giants are those that are already the most popular ones, and that things such as CD copy protection are being experimentally used mostly with items that will sell millions regardless of whether they are copy-protected or not.

    So are most citizens really being completely disrespectful of the value of art and the need to provide appropriate compensation to the artists for their works? We've said it before and we'll say it again: the rise of digital technology and peer-2-peer file sharing has little to do with people's intrinsic respect for art and artists, and everything to do with the cynical attitude of big industry conglomerates, which have consistently pushed for more and more commercial, highly profitable products at the expense of authentic art and respect for artists.

    If people do not feel enough guilt to prevent them from making digital copies of the latest episode of a popular TV show or hit pop song, it is precisely because the industry giants have succeeded in making these works purely commercial products, with little or no consideration for their actual artistic value. It is precisely because these companies have been consistently promoting commercial products at the expense of artistic works.

    The fact that actual works of art still manage to seep thru the cracks of this huge profit-driven industry does not change anything about the fundamental equations that have been driving and still drive the industry, 2day more than ever -- i.e. that art = money, artists = money-makers, and art lovers = consumers.

    As a simple example of how little music is valued as an art 4m by the industry, it is estimated that only about 20 percent of music ever recorded is currently available -- and, of this 20 percent, what proportion is actually readily available to music lovers? What proportion is not the current 100 top albums on the SoundScan charts?

    It simply appears that the instinctive reaction of the lover of art (be it music, TV shows, movies, or other forms of art) is such that, if the industry has no respect for his or her identity as an appreciator of art, then he or she has no reason to have any respect for the industry as a purveyor of art. By making digital copies of so-called cultural products, many people are not demonstrating their lack of respect for art and for artists, but are expressing -- consciously or not -- their frustration with the way the entertainment industry profits from art at the expense of both art makers and art lovers.

    The consumers of the commercial products of the entertainment industry are only as cynical as the industry has deliberately made them, by dumbing down their products, by exploiting artists, by making profit-driven choices and decisions, and by providing their own kind with obscene compensations and legal impunity that are completely out of touch with the real world of ordinary people.

    Don't Get It Twisted
    That being said, the whole debate about file sharing and digital piracy is, most of all, a convenient way for industry conglomerates to deflect attention from their own shady business practices and dubious alliances.

    For example, it is worth noting that the Warner Music Group is heavily involved in the recording industry's fight against piracy, but that its own parent company, AOL Time Warner, is directly benefiting from file sharing, as a provider of Internet access to millions of Internet users worldwide. When AOL Time Warner repeatedly flaunts its ever-increasing number of members (34 million and counting) and the billions of hours that they spend online, is there any doubt that a good part of this growth involves the "unlawful" exchange of computer files at the detriment of recording artists?

    In other words, the real "thieves" are not necessarily those that are currently getting the blame... Rather than a "nation of thieves", the current situation looks, to us, much more like an "elite of thieves".

    And the real victims of this thievery are very much, as usual, the recording artists themselves, who will never get their share of AOL's profits as an Internet access provider, even though these profits are partly based on the content that they originally provided. And the real victims also include authentic music lovers, who already suffer from restricted access to the full range of music that they would like to explore, and who are also likely to suffer from technological restrictions that will soon prevent them from making legitimate copies of the works that they have lawfully purchased for their own enjoyment.

    Make no mistake: the entertainment industry (including TV, movies and music) might b big, but the technology industry is even bigger. Remember that it is AOL that bought Time Warner, and not the other way around. Remember that Sony makes much more money in electronics and computer equipment than it does in record sales...

    If the technology industry ends up implementing technological limitations that prevent users from lawfully enjoying their purchases -- as it is threatening to do -- the beneficiaries will not b the artists whose works are thus being allegedly "protected". And it will certainly not b the art lovers whose enjoyment of art will thus b restricted. No, it will simply b, once again... the industry conglomerates, who will have yet another generation of incompatible media and devices to sell to us under the guise of "technological improvement".

    Conclusion
    The technology and entertainment industries are simply to big for us to expect any overnight changes. The industry giants will continue to do their best to deflect people's attention away from their own wrongdoings and to blame falling profits and commercial failures on piracy at the same time that they are encouraging their customers to adopt the very technologies that make piracy possible. Artists will continue to b lured by unrealistic promises and contracts with big numbers and lots of small print.

    How long, however, before a critical mass of established artists realize that it is in their best interests, both artistically and commercially, to leave the system for good? How long before a critical mass of young aspiring artists become aware of the enslaving aspects of the system and are careful not to get involved in it without a maximum of precautions? And how long before a critical mass of art lovers get 2gether to provide these artists with a real, valuable, legitimate, truthfully enthusiastic alternative audience that completes the process of rendering the existing system artistically irrelevant?

    It all depends on us -- and it all depends on u.

  19. It's obvious by Dirtside · · Score: 5, Funny

    Clearly, Prince continued partying like it was 1999, ignoring the impending Y2K bug, and failed to update his computer systems, causing them to automagically translate his messages into l33tspeak! And to think, people said the Y2K bug was overblown...

    --
    "Destroy science and religion. Science would re-emerge exactly the same; but not religion." - Penn Jillette, paraphrased
    1. Re:It's obvious by H1r0Pr0tag0n1st · · Score: 1

      Those of us old folks who were listening to Prince in the 80's, you know back when he was relevant, Know that he has been writeing like this since LONG before most "133t HaX0rs" were born.

      --
      Americans could not be more self absorbed if they were made of equal parts water and paper towel. -Dennis Miller
    2. Re:It's obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is there a Perl module for "Prince2English" on CPAN?

  20. English please! by topham · · Score: 2

    Could somebody republish that in english?

    A few typographical errors are one thing, but this is just plain stupid.

    1. Re:English please! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look here...

  21. Game Over by ejaw5 · · Score: 1

    How is it that Greece is prohibiting electronic gaming which encourages competition and interaction among people? Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this where the world's Olympic Games started?

    --

    $cat /dev/random > Sig
    1. Re:Game Over by charon_on_acheron · · Score: 1

      The original Olympics were also done in the nude. So if you want to appeal to the historical nature of Greek gaming, go walk around Athens naked, playing Gameboy Mario and see what they do. ;^)

  22. Bayesian implementation for procmail in perl. by Greg@RageNet · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I wrote a set of perl scripts for implementing baesian filters for procmail. The scripts can be downloaded here

    Hope y'all find it useful.

    -- Greg

    --
    Slashdot, would a spell-checker for posting be too much to ask? It's not rocket science!
  23. Prince by innocent_white_lamb · · Score: 1

    "How long b4"??

    How long before people who are attempting to send a message or make a point in a written medium learn that spelling and good grammer go a long way toward getting people to actually read your writings?

    This 'leet speek stuff is silly, makes your message hard to read, and detracts from what you really want to say. You either make yourself look juvenile and uninformed or you get skipped-over by people who might otherwise be swayed by your opinions.

    --
    If you're a zombie and you know it, bite your friend!
    1. Re:Prince by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't you mean "good grammar"?

    2. Re:Prince by pyroride! · · Score: 1

      I hear you man.. I'm seeing a lot of this AOL kiddy talk all over the place lately.. It seriously degrades the quality of a written message.. I don't know why all these people are favouring this childish fad for conventional english, other than to annoy the rest of us.. :/ peace

    3. Re:Prince by jasenj1 · · Score: 1

      And turn down that obnoxious rock-n-roll "music", too. Why back in the good old days we only had toggle switches and punch cards, not these new fangled keyboards with all their confusing buttons. Why can't people write in raw binary like any self respecting technocrat should?

      Sheesh, all you people whining about the 2s and 4s and urs sound like a bunch of old grandmas. It took me maybe half an extra brain cell to work through the "hep" styling of the article. Perhaps "If it's too loud, you're too old" should now become "If it's too l337, you're too old."
      At least the article intentionally butchered "standard" English. Unlike two of the worst misuses I'm seeing pop up all over the Net:
      there vs. their
      then vs. than

  24. Unfortunately... by devphil · · Score: 2


    ...the producer sponsoring the deal said that a chunk of the money would be delivered within the next couple of days. So it looks like the deal is still on.

    Hopefully there will be a landing pad fire or something. Pity we'd have to lose good cosmonauts to get rid of the pesky fucker.

    --
    You cannot apply a technological solution to a sociological problem. (Edwards' Law)
    1. Re:Unfortunately... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe there's money to be made from watch Lance get spaced. *nudge* *nudge* *wink* *wink*

    2. Re:Unfortunately... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mod that up... I'm still laughing...

      pesky fucker ... Haven't heard that combination before...

    3. Re:Unfortunately... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't mind Lance going to space...it's the coming back part I don't really go for...

  25. other Bayesian filters by faster · · Score: 2, Informative
    There are a few other Bayesian filters, too, not tied to qmail. I like the idea of putting word pairs into the database like this one does, but has anyone checked the stats to see if it really improves spam matching? I'm using ESR's bogofilter, and it's pretty effective and not a big drag on resources.

    Any other Bayesian spam filters?

    1. Re:other Bayesian filters by Mushy · · Score: 1, Informative

      CPAN has a perl module that I am using

      Mail::SpamTest::Bayesian

      Today after about 280 spams training, it surpassed SpamAssassin 2.40 (today's release)'s filtering and detected a spam where SpamAssassin failed.

    2. Re:other Bayesian filters by Harik · · Score: 1
      I do. I took the qmail module, rewrote it a bit as a always-on module for MIMEDefang, and it does a good job of catching spam. It gets about 50% of the spam that spamassassin misses, and so far no false positives.

      I'm looking at modifying it to understand some tokens better: IP addresses, email addresses, hostnames, full URLs as tokens rather then splitting them up into their individual pieces. Basically, N-way pairing. word pairs are a general case of that.

      --Dan

    3. Re:other Bayesian filters by qvanderm · · Score: 2, Informative

      I implemented bayesian filter that uses a database of consisting of both word pairs and single words. The performance of this filter alone is slightly better than that of SpamAssassin, but after noticing that the bayesian filter catches almost all the spam that SpamAsassin misses and vice versa, I decided to try running them in series.

      If both SpamAssassin and the bayesian filter agree that a message is spam, it gets routed to my Spam mailbox. If both agree that the message is not spam, it gets delivered to my inbox. In case of a disagreement, the message is stored in a separate mailbox/database where I can manually check it (previously all messages flagged by SpamAssassin went here).

      After running the combined filter for a week, the results are quite impressive; Zero false positives, zero false negatives and the amount of messages that I have to check manually has decreased to 1/10 of the previous number.

    4. Re:other Bayesian filters by Mushy · · Score: 1

      Would you mind sharing the implementation for Bayesian filter?

      As for the series design, I am doing the exact same thing :)

  26. How long b4... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    'How long, however, b4 a critical mass of established artists realize that it is in their best interests, both artistically and commercially, 2 leave the system 4 good? How long b4 a critical mass of young aspiring artists become aware of the enslaving aspects of the system and r careful not 2 get involved in it without a maximum of precautions? And how long b4 a critical mass of art lovers get 2gether 2 provide these artists with a real, valuable, legitimate, truthfully enthusiastic alternative audience that completes the process of rendering the xisting system artistically irrelevant?'

    How long b4 Prince gets a spell-checker! :D

  27. Popstars and Space Travel by Nutcase · · Score: 1

    so wait.. Lance is no longer going up w/ the russians..

    Instead of a box of cargo, Why not do the obvious, and send Prince?

    If he sorta.. you know.. slipped out the airlock... well, I think we could forgive the russians, don't you? I'd even be willing to let the russians keep the insurance. ;)

  28. De-l33t-ified (long) by Otto · · Score: 4, Informative

    I may have missed a few here and there, or gotten some wrong. I just did a dozen search and replaces or so...

    Yeesh. If you have something worthwhile to say, then say it in language everyone can understand. Moron.

    --
    Something happened on the way to the 21st century. Media and entertainment companies started "converging" and "shareholder value" became far more important than customer service and respect for company employees ever managed to b. Compensation packages for company executives hit the stratosphere - while holding them accountable for their company's results became nearly impossible.

    These executives are indeed very naive if they think that people haven't noticed.

    People are noticing that something isn't quite right - that something is indeed very wrong. After a decade during which the stock market gained apparent respectability as a legitimate, sensible form of investing, the recent slew of huge corporate scandals reveals that it is still what it has always been: a sick place where neurotic, puerile gamblers get their kicks off the backs of millions of "anonymous" workers and individuals, who have no control over what happens to their hard-earned retirement savings.

    Yet this is the place that most company executives feel is much more important to watch than the actual people for whom they produce their goods and services. This is the place where the fate of thousands of employees is decided every day by people staring at computer monitors showing ever-changing, meaningless lists of numbers and charts. And if you happen to personally hold shares in a company that has just announced that it is "restructuring" in order to improve its bottom-line and thus increase its "shareholder value", don't kid urself: When the company is talking about "shareholders", it's not talking about you and your measly couple of thousands of shares. It's only talking about big shareholders - i.e. other companies that own a more significant share of its market value.

    This is a world where "hostile takeovers" and government-approved "mergers" are feeding a never-ending cycle of fewer and fewer executives wielding more and more power on a multinational scale. Soon enough, the "World Company" and George Orwell's 1984 will no longer be the stuff of satire or fiction - but prophetic descriptions of a very real "New World Order" gradually unfolding before our eyes.

    A Little History

    Let's start with a simple list: America Online, Time, Life, Warner Bros., Fortune, Elektra, Sports Illustrated, HBO, Turner Broadcasting, CNN, Cinemax, Entertainment Weekly, New Line Cinema, In Style, Warner/Chappell Music, Time Warner Cable, WBN, ICQ, Warner Music Group, Netscape, People, Reprise, Rhino, Atlantic, WEA, TNT, MapQuest, WinAmp, In Demand, Erato, Moviefone, Road Runner, etc. All owned by the same corporate giant (AOL Time Warner).

    And another one: Universal Music Group, Verve, Nathan, Canal+, Impulse!, Cegetel, USA Networks, Decca, Interscope, Geffen, A&M, Barclay, Armand Colin, L'Express, Universal Studios, Larousse, Sierra, MP3.com, MCA Records, Deutsche Grammophon, Cineplex, etc. All owned by the same corporate giant (Vivendi Universal).

    And yet another one: Disney, ABC, ESPN, Hyperion, Miramax, Touchstone, Hollywood Pictures, A&E, The History Channel, E! Entertainment, RTL-2, Buena Vista, Mr. Showbiz, Wall of Sound, Mammoth Records, etc. All owned by the same corporate giant (Walt Disney).

    Need we say more? See for yourself... There's already only 7 of these corporate giants in total - and how long will it be before there are even fewer?

    It all began innocently enough. Young entrepreneurs in the early 20th century started up new companies with a mix of creative ambition and business acumen. Then these companies grew bigger and bigger, and whatever entrepreneurial vision was present at their birth became more and more diluted and less and less relevant. Then corporate accountants suggested merging with or taking over other companies - and it all became an all-too-real game of Monopoly.

    Then the Internet and "new technologies" came about, and the accountants' next big idea was convergence - i.e. the merging of "content" providers and "access" providers in order to control everything from the inception of a "cultural product" to its ultimate consumption by the unsuspecting masses.

    The Art of Manipulation

    It is easy to guess what got lost along the way... Creativity. Artistry. Independence. Critical objectivity. Uncontrolled access. The ability to "break thru" cultural barriers. Cultural diversity. Innovation. Freedom. Real music. Real art.
    Juggling between art and commerce is a delicate balance at the best of times... and these are definitely NOT the best of times.

    So now we have a so-called magazine "reporting" on the latest new blockbuster movie with a 10-page, full-color spread - as if the reporters weren't aware that the same company that produced the movie also owns their magazine... Yes, this is still called a "magazine". These are still called "reporters". And this is still called "journalism"... And yet millions of people are gleefully letting themselves be had.

    Maybe we should stop calling this "art", or even "entertainment" for that matter - for what is so entertaining about being involved in a collective hallucination? Maybe we should start calling it what it really is, i.e. unfettered MANIPULATION.
    In 1995, Clear Channel Communications owned 43 radio stations. Now it owns more than 1,200 - and its army of so-called "independent promoters" are letting legalized payola dictate what you get (or rather don't get) to hear on the radio.
    Everywhere you look, the story is the same: more and more money, less and less choice, less and less freedom of access, fewer and fewer companies. How far will this have to go before a big shift in people's attitude causes this commercial hubris to collapse onto itself and implode?

    Power Struggles

    The first major cracks in this highly concentrated corporate world have, of course, already begun to appear, in what has been making the headlines in the past few months, i.e. shady accounting practices involving enormous amounts of money - enough to shake the economy of the most powerful nation of the world. And the hysterical stock markets have of course been swayed by this news, at the expense of tens of thousands of workers worldwide and millions of small investors who thought that their holdings had nowhere to go but up.

    The value of AOL Time Warner's stock is now a quarter of what it was at the time of the merger between AOL and Time Warner, and this decline forced the company to take a $54 billion writedown earlier this year. And now it too is being investigated about its accounting practices. The story at Vivendi Universal is similar. Disney shares are near an 8-year low. And there is little doubt in people's mind that the problems are similar everywhere, in every big conglomerate that has become utterly out of touch with the reality of everyday work and the essence of human creativity.

    In addition, people also realize all too well that governments have little - if any - power left when it comes to regulating these multinational monsters. Governments have much more power when it comes to regulating the lives of ordinary, law-abiding citizens - and they use and abuse this power as a way to distract people's attention from how much control the conglomerates have over what we get to hear, watch, read, eat, drink, buy, and generally experience as "free" citizens of the world.

    One of the areas where this struggle is most acutely felt is, of course, the online world - a sprawling, anarchic community that is still in its infancy and whose exponential development in the last decade took everyone by surprise. And nothing exemplifies the struggle between government, big business, and individual rights better than the highly controversial issue of "peer-to-peer" file sharing and its many digital variations.

    A Nation of Thieves?

    Will the media/technology giants recover from the latest stock market slump? They probably will - but at what cost? In all likelihood, the cost will be more "restructuring", more layoffs, more executive shuffles and golden parachutes, causing even further alienation from their own employees and customers. And this, in turn, will further encourage the very behaviors that they claim are illegal and want punished by criminal law - all the while preserving their own impunity as they continue to carelessly flounder a capital that they do not own.

    Napster may have gone bankrupt and become a closed chapter in the Internet's short history, but its death is by no means a reflection of a decline in peer-to-peer (P2P) file sharing, quite the contrary. If anything, P2P has grown even further - but since it's becoming totally decentralized, there is no easy way to measure its significance.

    What is for sure, however, is that, in spite of its many claims to the contrary, the recording industry has yet to provide evidence that P2P is actually detrimental to music making as an artistic endeavor, and even as a commercial venture. It is worth remembering, for example, that sales of music CDs actually increased when Napster was at its peak, and declined after Napster was abruptly shut down. Even economists who thought that file sharing "should be" hurting the recording industry are now expressing their doubts, based on what they say is simply not happening.

    More importantly, many well-respected artists have sided with Internet users against corporate greed and actually use the Internet to promote alternative ways to distribute their music and reach out to a non-captive, legitimate audience of authentic music lovers.

    This does not mean, of course, that all forms of file sharing are equally innocuous. There is little doubt that, when people use the Internet as a substitute for radio, i.e. as a way to discover new music, it can help promote the work of artists. But when a young junior high school student downloads tracks off the Internet and makes CD-R copies of them that he then sells for $5 in the schoolyard, it hurts sales of the original CD and it's disrespectful of the artist - regardless of how small a cut of the actual CD price the artist actually gets after all the executives and the middlemen in the recording industry have taken their piece of the pie.

    Still, can we really go as far as to say that digital technology is creating a "nation of thieves" who no longer recognize the just value of art?

    Protecting the Product

    It is worth noting, to begin with, that the recording industry itself is far from having distinguished itself by recognizing the true value of art. Instead, it has consistently fought to be allowed to deprive many artists of their most fundamental rights. It has allowed popular artists to go bankrupt even though their albums were selling by the millions. It has reduced the artists' cut of the album sales pie to a ridiculously small portion of the actual income generated by these sales. It has consistently pushed commercial musical products at the expense of real musical artistry.

    This hardly entitles the recording industry to lecture anyone about recognizing the just value of art.

    It is also interesting to note that the cultural products that seem to be the primary concern of the industry giants are those that are already the most popular ones, and that things such as CD copy protection are being experimentally used mostly with items that will sell millions regardless of whether they are copy-protected or not.

    So are most citizens really being completely disrespectful of the value of art and the need to provide appropriate compensation to the artists for their works? We've said it before and we'll say it again: the rise of digital technology and peer-to-peer file sharing has little to do with people's intrinsic respect for art and artists, and everything to do with the cynical attitude of big industry conglomerates, which have consistently pushed for more and more commercial, highly profitable products at the expense of authentic art and respect for artists.

    If people do not feel enough guilt to prevent them from making digital copies of the latest episode of a popular TV show or hit pop song, it is precisely because the industry giants have succeeded in making these works purely commercial products, with little or no consideration for their actual artistic value. It is precisely because these companies have been consistently promoting commercial products at the expense of artistic works.

    The fact that actual works of art still manage to seep thru the cracks of this huge profit-driven industry does not change anything about the fundamental equations that have been driving and still drive the industry, today more than ever - i.e. that art = money, artists = money-makers, and art lovers = consumers.

    As a simple example of how little music is valued as an art form by the industry, it is estimated that only about 20 percent of music ever recorded is currently available - and, of this 20 percent, what proportion is actually readily available to music lovers? What proportion is not the current 100 top albums on the SoundScan charts?

    It simply appears that the instinctive reaction of the lover of art (be it music, TV shows, movies, or other forms of art) is such that, if the industry has no respect for his or her identity as an appreciator of art, then he or she has no reason to have any respect for the industry as a purveyor of art. By making digital copies of so-called cultural products, many people are not demonstrating their lack of respect for art and for artists, but are expressing - consciously or not - their frustration with the way the entertainment industry profits from art at the expense of both art makers and art lovers.

    The consumers of the commercial products of the entertainment industry are only as cynical as the industry has deliberately made them, by dumbing down their products, by exploiting artists, by making profit-driven choices and decisions, and by providing their own kind with obscene compensations and legal impunity that are completely out of touch with the real world of ordinary people.

    Don't Get It Twisted

    That being said, the whole debate about file sharing and digital piracy is, most of all, a convenient way for industry conglomerates to deflect attention from their own shady business practices and dubious alliances.

    for example, it is worth noting that the Warner Music Group is heavily involved in the recording industry's fight against piracy, but that its own parent company, AOL Time Warner, is directly benefiting from file sharing, as a provider of Internet access to millions of Internet users worldwide. When AOL Time Warner repeatedly flaunts its ever-increasing number of members (34 million and counting) and the billions of hours that they spend online, is there any doubt that a good part of this growth involves the "unlawful" exchange of computer files at the detriment of recording artists?

    In other words, the real "thieves" are not necessarily those that are currently getting the blame... Rather than a "nation of thieves", the current situation looks, to us, much more like an "elite of thieves".

    And the real victims of this thievery are very much, as usual, the recording artists themselves, who will never get their share of AOL's profits as an Internet access provider, even though these profits are partly based on the content that they originally provided. And the real victims also include authentic music lovers, who already suffer from restricted access to the full range of music that they would like to explore, and who are also likely to suffer from technological restrictions that will soon prevent them from making legitimate copies of the works that they have lawfully purchased for their own enjoyment.

    Make no mistake: the entertainment industry (including TV, movies and music) might be big, but the technology industry is even bigger. Remember that it is AOL that bought Time Warner, and not the other way around. Remember that Sony makes much more money in electronics and computer equipment than it does in record sales...

    If the technology industry ends up implementing technological limitations that prevent users from lawfully enjoying their purchases - as it is threatening to do - the beneficiaries will not be the artists whose works are thus being allegedly "protected". And it will certainly not be the art lovers whose enjoyment of art will thus be restricted. No, it will simply b, once again... the industry conglomerates, who will have yet another generation of incompatible media and devices to sell to us under the guise of "technological improvement".

    Conclusion

    The technology and entertainment industries are simply to big for us to expect any overnight changes. The industry giants will continue to do their best to deflect people's attention away from their own wrongdoings and to blame falling profits and commercial failures on piracy at the same time that they are encouraging their customers to adopt the very technologies that make piracy possible. Artists will continue to be lured by unrealistic promises and contracts with big numbers and lots of small print.

    How long, however, before a critical mass of established artists realize that it is in their best interests, both artistically and commercially, to leave the system for good? How long before a critical mass of young aspiring artists become aware of the enslaving aspects of the system and are careful not to get involved in it without a maximum of precautions? And how long before a critical mass of art lovers get together to provide these artists with a real, valuable, legitimate, truthfully enthusiastic alternative audience that completes the process of rendering the existing system artistically irrelevant?

    It all depends on us - and it all depends on you.
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    --
    - Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day, but set him on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.
    1. Re:De-l33t-ified (long) by rmohr02 · · Score: 2
      Need we say more? See for yourself... There's already only 7 of these corporate giants
      Or six
    2. Re:De-l33t-ified (long) by dillon_rinker · · Score: 2

      I may have missed a few here and there, or gotten some wrong. I just did a dozen search and replaces or so...

      D00D, WHY 4RE Y0U P05T1NG 0N 5145HD0T? I WITH MY '1337 5K1LLS U5ED 5ED...Y0U 4RE N0T W0RTHY.

    3. Re:De-l33t-ified (long) by mondoterrifico · · Score: 0

      The fact that u wasted your time on this just to whore some karma, is quite pathetic. The fact that it worked is even more pathetic. But then again this is Slashdot.

  29. Next they'll ban the Olympics by wadiwood · · Score: 1

    You can bet on it.

    How can you tell the difference between a running race and gambling? You can't because you can make bets on who's going to win.

    Do they have horse racing in Greece?

    BTW the Australian Govt has banned online gambling sites in OZ. It doesn't help any because every time I go near geocities or yahoo, I'm bombarded by the Overseas sites. All the ban did was make sure the money leaves our country.

    Can't wait for the first tuesday in November. Go Pharlap go. (uh dammit what time warp did that come from?) Anyone got a tip for which horse is going to win this year?

    --

    -- it must be true, it's on the internet.
    1. Re:Next they'll ban the Olympics by mge · · Score: 1

      Anyone got a tip for which horse is going to win this year?

      Aussie horses have been winning NZs biggest horse race for too long.... Apart from that whine, is Brew nominated again this year ?

    2. Re:Next they'll ban the Olympics by Alsee · · Score: 2

      All the ban did was make sure the money leaves our country.

      Did you consider the possibility that your money wont leave your country if you don't gamble online?

      It doesn't help any because every time I go near geocities or yahoo, I'm bombarded by the Overseas sites.

      If you find them that irresistable pehaps you need to join gamblers anonymous. Or you could just set your hosts file to block geocities and yahoo :)

      -

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      - - You can't take something off the Internet! That's like trying to take pee out of a swimming pool.
  30. Prince by meeotch · · Score: 1
    'And how long b4 a critical mass of art lovers get 2gether 2 provide these artists with a real, valuable, legitimate, truthfully enthusiastic alternative audience that completes the process of rendering the xisting system artistically irrelevant?'

    Not bad, but he forgot: w3 w177 0wnz0r j00!

  31. Every writer needs a good editor by PD · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Or at least a good spellchecker. Enjoy:

    A Nation of Thieves?

    Something happened on the way to the 21st century. Media and entertainment companies started converging and shareholder value became far more important than customer service and respect for company employees ever managed to be. Compensation packages for company executives hit the stratosphere while holding them accountable for their companys results became nearly impossible.

    These executives are indeed very naïve if they think that people havent noticed.

    People are noticing that something isnt quite right that something is indeed very wrong. After a decade during which the stock market gained apparent respectability as a legitimate, sensible form of investing, the recent slew of huge corporate scandals reveals that it is still what it has always been: a sick place where neurotic, puerile gamblers get their kicks off the backs of millions of anonymous workers and individuals, who have no control over what happens to their hard-earned retirement savings.

    Yet this is the place that most company executives feel is much more important to watch than the actual people for whom they produce their goods and services. This is the place where the fate of thousands of employees is decided every day by people staring at computer monitors showing ever-changing, meaningless lists of numbers and charts. And if you happen to personally hold shares in a company that has just announced that it is restructuring in order to improve its bottom-line and thus increase its shareholder value, dont kid yourself: When the company is talking about shareholders, its not talking about you and ur measly couple of thousands of shares. Its only talking about big shareholders i.e. other companies that own a more significant share of its market value.

    This is a world where hostile takeovers and government-approved mergers are feeding a never-ending cycle of fewer and fewer executives wielding more and more power on a multinational scale. Soon enough, the World Company and George Orwells 1984 will no longer be the stuff of satire or fiction but prophetic descriptions of a very real New World Order gradually unfolding before are eyes.
    A Little History

    Lets start with a simple list: America Online, Time, Life, Warner Bros., Fortune, Elektra, Sports Illustrated, HBO, Turner Broadcasting, CNN, Cinemax, Entertainment Weekly, New Line Cinema, In Style, Warner/Chappell Music, Time Warner Cable, WBN, ICQ, Warner Music Group, Netscape, People, Reprise, Rhino, Atlantic, WEA, TNT, MapQuest, WinAmp, In Demand, Erato, Moviefone, Road Runner, etc. All owned by the same corporate giant (AOL Time Warner).

    And another one: Universal Music Group, Verve, Nathan, Canal+, Impulse!, Cegetel, USA Networks, Decca, Interscope, Geffen, A&M, Barclay, Armand Colin, LExpress, Universal Studios, Larousse, Sierra, MP3.com, MCA Records, Deutsche Grammophon, Cineplex, etc. All owned by the same corporate giant (Vivendi Universal).

    And yet another one: Disney, ABC, ESPN, Hyperion, Miramax, Touchstone, Hollywood Pictures, A&E, The History Channel, E! Entertainment, RTL-2, Buena Vista, Mr. Showbiz, Wall of Sound, Mammoth Records, etc. All owned by the same corporate giant (Walt Disney).

    Need we say more? See for yourself Theres already only 7 of these corporate giants in total and how long will it be before there are even fewer?

    It all began innocently enough. Young entrepreneurs in the early 20th century started up new companies with a mix of creative ambition and business acumen. Then these companies grew bigger and bigger, and whatever entrepreneurial vision was present at their birth became more and more diluted and less and less relevant. Then corporate accountants suggested merging with or taking over other companies and it all became an all-too-real game of Monopoly.

    Then the Internet and new technologies came about, and the accountants next big idea was convergence i.e. the merging of content providers and access providers in order to control everything from the inception of a cultural product to its ultimate consumption by the unsuspecting masses.
    The Art of Manipulation

    It is easy to guess what got lost along the way Creativity. Artistry. Independence. Critical objectivity. Uncontrolled access. The ability to break thru cultural barriers. Cultural diversity. Innovation. Freedom. Real music. Real art.

    Juggling between art and commerce is a delicate balance at the best of times and these are definitely NOT the best of times.

    So now we have a so-called magazine reporting on the latest new blockbuster movie with a 10-page, full-color spread as if the reporters werent aware that the same company that produced the movie also owns their magazine Yes, this is still called a magazine. These are still called reporters. And this is still called journalism And yet millions of people are gleefully letting themselves be had.

    Maybe we should stop calling this art, or even entertainment for that matter for what is so entertaining about being involved in a collective hallucination? Maybe we should start calling it what it really is, i.e. unfettered MANIPULATION.

    In 1995, Clear Channel Communications owned 43 radio stations. Now it owns more than 1,200 and its army of so-called independent promoters are letting legalized payola dictate what you get (or rather dont get) to hear on the radio.

    Everywhere you look, the story is the same: more and more money, less and less choice, less and less freedom of access, fewer and fewer companies. How far will this have to go before a big shift in peoples attitude causes this commercial hubris to collapse onto itself and implode?
    Power Struggles

    The first major cracks in this highly concentrated corporate world have, of course, already begun to appear, in what has been making the headlines in the past few months, i.e. shady accounting practices involving enormous amounts of money enough to shake the economy of the most powerful nation of the world. And the hysterical stock markets have of course been swayed by this news, at the expense of tens of thousands of workers worldwide and millions of small investors who thought that their holdings had nowhere to go but up.

    The value of AOL Time Warners stock is now a quarter of what it was at the time of the merger between AOL and Time Warner, and this decline 4ced the company to take a $54 billion writedown earlier this year. And now it to is being investigated about its accounting practices. The story at Vivendi Universal is similar. Disney shares are near an 8-year low. And there is little doubt in peoples mind that the problems are similar everywhere, in every big conglomerate that has become utterly out of touch with the reality of everyday work and the essence of human creativity.

    In addition, people also realize all to well that governments have little if any power left when it comes to regulating these multinational monsters. Governments have much more power when it comes to regulating the lives of ordinary, law-abiding citizens and they use and abuse this power as a way to distract peoples attention from how much control the conglomerates have over what we get to hear, watch, read, eat, drink, buy, and generally experience as free citizens of the world.

    One of the areas where this struggle is most acutely felt is, of course, the online world a sprawling, anarchic community that is still in its infancy and whose exponential development in the last decade took everyone by surprise. And nothing exemplifies the struggle between government, big business, and individual rights better than the highly controversial issue of peer-2-peer file sharing and its many digital variations.
    A Nation of Thieves?

    Will the media/technology giants recover from the latest stock market slump? They probably will but at what cost? In all likelihood, the cost will be more restructuring, more layoffs, more executive shuffles and golden parachutes, causing even further alienation from their own employees and customers. And this, in turn, will further encourage the very behaviors that they claim are illegal and want punished by criminal law all the while preserving their own impunity as they continue to carelessly flounder a capital that they do not own.

    Napster may have gone bankrupt and become a closed chapter in the Internets short history, but its death is by no means a reflection of a decline in peer-to-peer (P2P) file sharing, quite the contrary. If anything, P2P has grown even further but since its becoming totally decentralized, there is no easy way to measure its significance.

    What is for sure, however, is that, in spite of its many claims to the contrary, the recording industry has yet to provide evidence that P2P is actually detrimental to music making as an artistic endeavor, and even as a commercial venture. It is worth remembering, for example, that sales of music CDs actually increased when Napster was at its peak, and declined after Napster was abruptly shut down. Even economists who thought that file sharing should be hurting the recording industry are now expressing their doubts, based on what they say is simply not happening.

    More importantly, many well-respected artists have sided with Internet users against corporate greed and actually use the Internet to promote alternative ways to distribute their music and reach out to a non-captive, legitimate audience of authentic music lovers.

    This does not mean, of course, that all forms of file sharing are equally innocuous. There is little doubt that, when people use the Internet as a substitute for radio, i.e. as a way to discover new music, it can help promote the work of artists. But when a young junior high school student downloads tracks off the Internet and makes CD-R copies of them that he then sells for $5 in the schoolyard, it hurts sales of the original CD and its disrespectful of the artist regardless of how small a cut of the actual CD price the artist actually gets after all the executives and the middlemen in the recording industry have taken their piece of the pie.

    Still, can we really go as far as to say that digital technology is creating a nation of thieves who no longer recognize the just value of art?
    Protecting the Product

    It is worth noting, to begin with, that the recording industry itself is far from having distinguished itself by recognizing the true value of art. Instead, it has consistently fought to be allowed to deprive many artists of their most fundamental rights. It has allowed popular artists to go bankrupt even though their albums were selling by the millions. It has reduced the artists cut of the album sales pie to a ridiculously small portion of the actual income generated by these sales. It has consistently pushed commercial musical products at the expense of real musical artistry.

    This hardly entitles the recording industry to lecture anyone about recognizing the just value of art.

    It is also interesting to note that the cultural products that seem to be the primary concern of the industry giants are those that are already the most popular ones, and that things such as CD copy protection are being experimentally used mostly with items that will sell millions regardless of whether they are copy-protected or not.

    So are most citizens really being completely disrespectful of the value of art and the need to provide appropriate compensation to the artists for their works? Weve said it before and well say it again: the rise of digital technology and peer-to-peer file sharing has little to do with peoples intrinsic respect for art and artists, and everything to do with the cynical attitude of big industry conglomerates, which have consistently pushed for more and more commercial, highly profitable products at the expense of authentic art and respect for artists.

    If people do not feel enough guilt to prevent them from making digital copies of the latest episode of a popular TV show or hit pop song, it is precisely because the industry giants have succeeded in making these works purely commercial products, with little or no consideration for their actual artistic value. It is precisely because these companies have been consistently promoting commercial products at the expense of artistic works.

    The fact that actual works of art still manage to seep thru the cracks of this huge profit-driven industry does not change anything about the fundamental equations that have been driving and still drive the industry, 2day more than ever i.e. that art = money, artists = money-makers, and art lovers = consumers.

    As a simple example of how little music is valued as an art form by the industry, it is estimated that only about 20 percent of music ever recorded is currently available and, of this 20 percent, what proportion is actually readily available to music lovers? What proportion is not the current 100 top albums on the SoundScan charts?

    It simply appears that the instinctive reaction of the lover of art (b it music, TV shows, movies, or other forms of art) is such that, if the industry has no respect for his or her identity as an appreciator of art, then he or she has no reason to have any respect for the industry as a purveyor of art. By making digital copies of so-called cultural products, many people are not demonstrating their lack of respect for art and for artists, but are expressing consciously or not their frustration with the way the entertainment industry profits from art at the expense of both art makers and art lovers.

    The consumers of the commercial products of the entertainment industry are only as cynical as the industry has deliberately made them, by dumbing down their products, by exploiting artists, by making profit-driven choices and decisions, and by providing their own kind with obscene compensations and legal impunity that are completely out of touch with the real world of ordinary people.
    Dont Get It Twisted

    That being said, the whole debate about file sharing and digital piracy is, most of all, a convenient way for industry conglomerates to deflect attention from their own shady business practices and dubious alliances.

    For example, it is worth noting that the Warner Music Group is heavily involved in the recording industrys fight against piracy, but that its own parent company, AOL Time Warner, is directly benefiting from file sharing, as a provider of Internet access to millions of Internet users worldwide. When AOL Time Warner repeatedly flaunts its ever-increasing number of members (34 million and counting) and the billions of hours that they spend online, is there any doubt that a good part of this growth involves the unlawful exchange of computer files at the detriment of recording artists?

    In other words, the real thieves are not necessarily those that are currently getting the blame Rather than a nation of thieves, the current situation looks, to us, much more like an elite of thieves.

    And the real victims of this thievery are very much, as usual, the recording artists themselves, who will never get their share of AOLs profits as an Internet access provider, even though these profits are partly based on the content that they originally provided. And the real victims also include authentic music lovers, who already suffer from restricted access to the full range of music that they would like to explore, and who are also likely to suffer from technological restrictions that will soon prevent them from making legitimate copies of the works that they have lawfully purchased for their own enjoyment.

    Make no mistake: the entertainment industry (including TV, movies and music) might be big, but the technology industry is even bigger. Remember that it is AOL that bought Time Warner, and not the other way around. Remember that Sony makes much more money in electronics and computer equipment than it does in record sales

    If the technology industry ends up implementing technological limitations that prevent users from lawfully enjoying their purchases as it is threatening to do the beneficiaries will not be the artists whose works are thus being allegedly protected. And it will certainly not be the art lovers whose enjoyment of art will thus be restricted. No, it will simply be, once again the industry conglomerates, who will have yet another generation of incompatible media and devices to sell to us under the guise of technological improvement.
    Conclusion

    The technology and entertainment industries are simply to big for us to expect any overnight changes. The industry giants will continue to do their best to deflect peoples attention away from their own wrongdoings and to blame falling profits and commercial failures on piracy at the same time that they are encouraging their customers to adopt the very technologies that make piracy possible. Artists will continue to be lured by unrealistic promises and contracts with big numbers and lots of small print.

    How long, however, before a critical mass of established artists realize that it is in their best interests, both artistically and commercially, to leave the system for good? How long before a critical mass of young aspiring artists become aware of the enslaving aspects of the system and are careful not to get involved in it without a maximum of precautions? And how long before a critical mass of art lovers get together to provide these artists with a real, valuable, legitimate, truthfully enthusiastic alternative audience that completes the process of rendering the existing system artistically irrelevant?

    It all depends on us and it all depends on you.

    1. Re:Every writer needs a good editor by rayd75 · · Score: 1

      A minor point to be sure but I'd have to disagree about the ISP arms of megacorporations profiting from peer-to-peer. They have made it perfectly clear with tiered pricing and arbitrary blocking of ports that they expect their users to pay $60 per month to do nothing more than visit a couple of web sites. In their minds anything more is clear-cut abuse.

    2. Re:Every writer needs a good editor by _xeno_ · · Score: 2
      You managed to lose quotes and apostrophes. This is my editted version (think I got everything) complete with original emphasis and strong sections and original links, as well as using plain old ASCII for quotes and other characters:

      A Nation of Thieves?

      Something happened on the way to the 21st century. Media and entertainment companies started "converging" and "shareholder value" became far more important than customer service and respect for company employees ever managed to be. Compensation packages for company executives hit the stratosphere -- while holding them accountable for their company's results became nearly impossible.

      These executives are indeed very naïve if they think that people haven't noticed.

      People are noticing that something isn't quite right -- that something is indeed very wrong. After a decade during which the stock market gained apparent respectability as a legitimate, sensible form of investing, the recent slew of huge corporate scandals reveals that it is still what it has always been: a sick place where neurotic, puerile gamblers get their kicks off the backs of millions of "anonymous" workers and individuals, who have no control over what happens to their hard-earned retirement savings.

      Yet this is the place that most company executives feel is much more important to watch than the actual people for whom they produce their goods and services. This is the place where the fate of thousands of employees is decided every day by people staring at computer monitors showing ever-changing, meaningless lists of numbers and charts. And if you happen to personally hold shares in a company that has just announced that it is "restructuring" in order to improve its bottom-line and thus increase its "shareholder value", don't kid yourself: When the company is talking about "shareholders", it's not talking about you and your measly couple of thousands of shares. It's only talking about big shareholders -- i.e. other companies that own a more significant share of its market value.

      This is a world where "hostile takeovers" and government-approved "mergers" are feeding a never-ending cycle of fewer and fewer executives wielding more and more power on a multinational scale. Soon enough, the "World Company" and George Orwell's 1984 will no longer be the stuff of satire or fiction -- but prophetic descriptions of a very real "New World Order" gradually unfolding before our eyes.

      A Little History

      Let's start with a simple list: America Online, Time, Life, Warner Bros., Fortune, Elektra, Sports Illustrated, HBO, Turner Broadcasting, CNN, Cinemax, Entertainment Weekly, New Line Cinema, In Style, Warner/Chappell Music, Time Warner Cable, WBN, ICQ, Warner Music Group, Netscape, People, Reprise, Rhino, Atlantic, WEA, TNT, MapQuest, WinAmp, In Demand, Erato, Moviefone, Road Runner, etc.. All owned by the same corporate giant (AOL Time Warner).

      And another one: Universal Music Group, Verve, Nathan, Canal+, Impulse!, Cegetel, USA Networks, Decca, Interscope, Geffen, A&M, Barclay, Armand Colin, L'Express, Universal Studios, Larousse, Sierra, MP3.com, MCA Records, Deutsche Grammophon, Cineplex, etc.. All owned by the same corporate giant (Vivendi Universal).

      And yet another one: Disney, ABC, ESPN, Hyperion, Miramax, Touchstone, Hollywood Pictures, A&E, The History Channel, E! Entertainment, RTL-2, Buena Vista, Mr. Showbiz, Wall of Sound, Mammoth Records, etc.. All owned by the same corporate giant (Walt Disney).

      Need we say more? See for yourself... There's already only 7 of these corporate giants in total -- and how long will it be before there are even fewer?

      It all began innocently enough. Young entrepreneurs in the early 20th century started up new companies with a mix of creative ambition and business acumen. Then these companies grew bigger and bigger, and whatever entrepreneurial vision was present at their birth became more and more diluted and less and less relevant. Then corporate accountants suggested merging with or taking over other companies -- and it all became an all-too-real game of Monopoly.

      Then the Internet and "new technologies" came about, and the accountants' next big idea was convergence -- i.e. the merging of "content" providers and "access" providers in order to control everything from the inception of a "cultural product" to its ultimate consumption by the unsuspecting masses.

      The Art of Manipulation

      It is easy to guess what got lost along the way... Creativity. Artistry. Independence. Critical objectivity. Uncontrolled access. The ability to "break through" cultural barriers. Cultural diversity. Innovation. Freedom. Real music. Real art.

      Juggling between art and commerce is a delicate balance at the best of times... and these are definitely NOT the best of times.

      So now we have a so-called magazine "reporting" on the latest new blockbuster movie with a 10-page, full-color spread -- as if the reporters weren't aware that the same company that produced the movie also owns their magazine... Yes, this is still called a "magazine". These are still called "reporters". And this is still called "journalism"... And yet millions of people are gleefully letting themselves be had.

      Maybe we should stop calling this "art", or even "entertainment" for that matter -- for what is so entertaining about being involved in a collective hallucination? Maybe we should start calling it what it really is, i.e. unfettered MANIPULATION.

      In 1995, Clear Channel Communications owned 43 radio stations. Now it owns more than 1,200 -- and its army of so-called "independent promoters" are letting legalized payola dictate what you get (or rather don't get) to hear on the radio.

      Everywhere you look, the story is the same: more and more money, less and less choice, less and less freedom of access, fewer and fewer companies. How far will this have to go before a big shift in people's attitude causes this commercial hubris to collapse onto itself and implode?

      Power Struggles

      The first major cracks in this highly concentrated corporate world have, of course, already begun to appear, in what has been making the headlines in the past few months, i.e. shady accounting practices involving enormous amounts of money -- enough to shake the economy of the most powerful nation of the world. And the hysterical stock markets have of course been swayed by this news, at the expense of tens of thousands of workers worldwide and millions of small investors who thought that their holdings had nowhere to go but up.

      The value of AOL Time Warner's stock is now a quarter of what it was at the time of the merger between AOL and Time Warner, and this decline forced the company to take a $54 billion writedown earlier this year. And now it too is being investigated about its accounting practices. The story at Vivendi Universal is similar. Disney shares are near an 8-year low. And there is little doubt in people's mind that the problems are similar everywhere, in every big conglomerate that has become utterly out of touch with the reality of everyday work and the essence of human creativity.

      In addition, people also realize all too well that governments have little -- if any -- power left when it comes to regulating these multinational monsters. Governments have much more power when it comes to regulating the lives of ordinary, law-abiding citizens -- and they use and abuse this power as a way to distract people's attention from how much control the conglomerates have over what we get to hear, watch, read, eat, drink, buy, and generally experience as "free" citizens of the world.

      One of the areas where this struggle is most acutely felt is, of course, the online world -- a sprawling, anarchic community that is still in its infancy and whose exponential development in the last decade took everyone by surprise. And nothing exemplifies the struggle between government, big business, and individual rights better than the highly controversial issue of "peer-2-peer" file sharing and its many digital variations.

      A Nation of Thieves?

      Will the media/technology giants recover from the latest stock market slump? They probably will -- but at what cost? In all likelihood, the cost will be more "restructuring", more layoffs, more executive shuffles and golden parachutes, causing even further alienation from their own employees and customers. And this, in turn, will further encourage the very behaviors that they claim are illegal and want punished by criminal law -- all the while preserving their own impunity as they continue to carelessly flounder a capital that they do not own.

      Napster may have gone bankrupt and become a closed chapter in the Internet's short history, but its death is by no means a reflection of a decline in peer-2-peer (P2P) file sharing, quite the contrary. If anything, P2P has grown even further -- but since it's becoming totally decentralized, there is no easy way to measure its significance.

      What is for sure, however, is that, in spite of its many claims to the contrary, the recording industry has yet to provide evidence that P2P is actually detrimental to music making as an artistic endeavor, and even as a commercial venture. It is worth remembering, for example, that sales of music CDs actually increased when Napster was at its peak, and declined after Napster was abruptly shut down. Even economists who thought that file sharing "should be" hurting the recording industry are now expressing their doubts, based on what they say is simply not happening.

      More importantly, many well-respected artists have sided with Internet users against corporate greed and actually use the Internet to promote alternative ways to distribute their music and reach out to a non-captive, legitimate audience of authentic music lovers.

      This does not mean, of course, that all forms of file sharing are equally innocuous. There is little doubt that, when people use the Internet as a substitute for radio, i.e. as a way to discover new music, it can help promote the work of artists. But when a young junior high school student downloads tracks off the Internet and makes CD-R copies of them that he then sells for $5 in the schoolyard, it hurts sales of the original CD and it's disrespectful of the artist -- regardless of how small a cut of the actual CD price the artist actually gets after all the executives and the middlemen in the recording industry have taken their piece of the pie.

      Still, can we really go as far as to say that digital technology is creating a "nation of thieves" who no longer recognize the just value of art?

      Protecting the Product

      It is worth noting, to begin with, that the recording industry itself is far from having distinguished itself by recognizing the true value of art. Instead, it has consistently fought to be allowed to deprive many artists of their most fundamental rights. It has allowed popular artists to go bankrupt even though their albums were selling by the millions. It has reduced the artists' cut of the album sales pie to a ridiculously small portion of the actual income generated by these sales. It has consistently pushed commercial musical products at the expense of real musical artistry.

      This hardly entitles the recording industry to lecture anyone about recognizing the just value of art.

      It is also interesting to note that the cultural products that seem to be the primary concern of the industry giants are those that are already the most popular ones, and that things such as CD copy protection are being experimentally used mostly with items that will sell millions regardless of whether they are copy-protected or not.

      So are most citizens really being completely disrespectful of the value of art and the need to provide appropriate compensation to the artists for their works? We've said it before and we'll say it again: the rise of digital technology and peer-2-peer file sharing has little to do with people's intrinsic respect for art and artists, and everything to do with the cynical attitude of big industry conglomerates, which have consistently pushed for more and more commercial, highly profitable products at the expense of authentic art and respect for artists.

      If people do not feel enough guilt to prevent them from making digital copies of the latest episode of a popular TV show or hit pop song, it is precisely because the industry giants have succeeded in making these works purely commercial products, with little or no consideration for their actual artistic value. It is precisely because these companies have been consistently promoting commercial products at the expense of artistic works.

      The fact that actual works of art still manage to seep through the cracks of this huge profit-driven industry does not change anything about the fundamental equations that have been driving and still drive the industry, today more than ever -- i.e. that art = money, artists = money-makers, and art lovers = consumers.

      As a simple example of how little music is valued as an art form by the industry, it is estimated that only about 20 percent of music ever recorded is currently available -- and, of this 20 percent, what proportion is actually readily available to music lovers? What proportion is not the current 100 top albums on the SoundScan charts?

      It simply appears that the instinctive reaction of the lover of art (be it music, TV shows, movies, or other forms of art) is such that, if the industry has no respect for his or her identity as an appreciator of art, then he or she has no reason to have any respect for the industry as a purveyor of art. By making digital copies of so-called cultural products, many people are not demonstrating their lack of respect for art and for artists, but are expressing -- consciously or not -- their frustration with the way the entertainment industry profits from art at the expense of both art makers and art lovers.

      The consumers of the commercial products of the entertainment industry are only as cynical as the industry has deliberately made them, by dumbing down their products, by exploiting artists, by making profit-driven choices and decisions, and by providing their own kind with obscene compensations and legal impunity that are completely out of touch with the real world of ordinary people.

      Don't Get It Twisted

      That being said, the whole debate about file sharing and digital piracy is, most of all, a convenient way for industry conglomerates to deflect attention from their own shady business practices and dubious alliances.

      For example, it is worth noting that the Warner Music Group is heavily involved in the recording industry's fight against piracy, but that its own parent company, AOL Time Warner, is directly benefiting from file sharing, as a provider of Internet access to millions of Internet users worldwide. When AOL Time Warner repeatedly flaunts its ever-increasing number of members (34 million and counting) and the billions of hours that they spend online, is there any doubt that a good part of this growth involves the "unlawful" exchange of computer files at the detriment of recording artists?

      In other words, the real "thieves" are not necessarily those that are currently getting the blame... Rather than a "nation of thieves", the current situation looks, to us, much more like an "elite of thieves".

      And the real victims of this thievery are very much, as usual, the recording artists themselves, who will never get their share of AOL's profits as an Internet access provider, even though these profits are partly based on the content that they originally provided. And the real victims also include authentic music lovers, who already suffer from restricted access to the full range of music that they would like to explore, and who are also likely to suffer from technological restrictions that will soon prevent them from making legitimate copies of the works that they have lawfully purchased for their own enjoyment.

      Make no mistake: the entertainment industry (including TV, movies and music) might be big, but the technology industry is even bigger. Remember that it is AOL that bought Time Warner, and not the other way around. Remember that Sony makes much more money in electronics and computer equipment than it does in record sales...

      If the technology industry ends up implementing technological limitations that prevent users from lawfully enjoying their purchases -- as it is threatening to do -- the beneficiaries will not be the artists whose works are thus being allegedly "protected". And it will certainly not be the art lovers whose enjoyment of art will thus be restricted. No, it will simply be, once again... the industry conglomerates, who will have yet another generation of incompatible media and devices to sell to us under the guise of "technological improvement".

      Conclusion

      The technology and entertainment industries are simply to big for us to expect any overnight changes. The industry giants will continue to do their best to deflect people's attention away from their own wrongdoings and to blame falling profits and commercial failures on piracy at the same time that they are encouraging their customers to adopt the very technologies that make piracy possible. Artists will continue to be lured by unrealistic promises and contracts with big numbers and lots of small print.

      How long, however, before a critical mass of established artists realize that it is in their best interests, both artistically and commercially, to leave the system for good? How long before a critical mass of young aspiring artists become aware of the enslaving aspects of the system and are careful not to get involved in it without a maximum of precautions? And how long before a critical mass of art lovers get together to provide these artists with a real, valuable, legitimate, truthfully enthusiastic alternative audience that completes the process of rendering the existing system artistically irrelevant?

      It all depends on us -- and it all depends on you.

      [Ed: original used "2" for both "to" and "too" -- grammatical errors in that department are my fault. Only changes should be related to spelling, formatting and links preserved. Various Unicode characters translated to ASCII for the benifit of Slashdot. "Peer-2-peer" is kept as original.]

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  32. Lance Bass by artemis67 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    My take on the whole thing has been that he never intended to go to space. He used his star power and the promise of $20 million to get himself free access to NASA and do what most boys only dream of, i.e., pretend you're in the space program, sit in on NASA press conferences, play with all the high-tech space equipment.

    Oh sure, maybe at first he was serious about the $20 million. But I think he sobered up pretty quick and decided that there was no way he was paying that, but he was going to milk the experience for everything he could before they kicked him out.

    In the meantime, he also got himself a TON of free publicity. How many members of NSync can you name? Well, there's some guy named Justin who used to date Britney Spears, and a bunch of other guys. Oh, and LANCE BASS.

    Geez, he got $20 million worth of publicity without spending a dime.

    1. Re:Lance Bass by GigsVT · · Score: 1

      Except it was the russian space agency, not NASA.

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    2. Re:Lance Bass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He and his Soyuz crewmates trained in Houston all last week. Did a press conference there and the whole bit.

    3. Re:Lance Bass by Alien+Being · · Score: 1

      "Well, there's some guy named Justin who used to date Britney Spears, and a bunch of other guys"

      Sounds like he's confused. I wonder if he ever achieved re-entry with Ms. Spears, or if he ever offered her $20M for the ride.

    4. Re:Lance Bass by simong_oz · · Score: 1

      It says a lot about this world when you compare the publicity that has surrounded Lance Bass with that of Dennis Tito and Mark Shuttleworth, even accounting for the fact that Tito was the first. To their credit, at least those guys paid with their own money, and seemed to be taking the experience very seriously.

      I've got no objection to space tourism if it's done sensibly - hell, if I had $20 million, I'd blow it on a trip to space without thinking twice.

      But let's not turn space into a publicity stunt.

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    5. Re:Lance Bass by Alsee · · Score: 2

      I wonder if he ever achieved re-entry with Ms. Spears, or if he ever offered her $20M for the ride.

      Damn typos. That "M" shouldn't be there.

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    6. Re:Lance Bass by seann · · Score: 1

      from what I heard
      the tv station that was going to give him the money
      "Didn't give him the money."

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  33. �sn't �t �ron�c? by teslatug · · Score: 1

    Prïnce takes the tïme to put an "ï" ïn naïve, but makes us read through all those 2's and 4's because he's too lazy to do a search and replace.

    1. Re:�sn't �t �ron�c? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quîët, û.

  34. Plain text filter? by Jay+Maynard · · Score: 1

    I tried reading Prince's essay, but gave up a few paragraphs in because he insists on using lamer-speak. Is there a filter somewhere that will translate it to English? He looks like he's got something to say, and articulately at that...

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  35. Oh brave new world... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...with men such as these.

  36. Prince could use dictation software by wadiwood · · Score: 1

    Then he wouldn't need to make his fingers wrap around an unfamiliar keyboard.

    Except most dictation software I know fails as soon as the speaker gets passionate or excited about a topic. Then the computer completely fails to understand a word. The results are funnier than watching a spellchecker offer suggestions for correcting proper names or code.

    wadiwood wedgewood widowhood

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  37. This just in... by thelinuxking · · Score: 2

    The Government of Greece just announced that they will be banning the game "Rock, Paper, Scissors" in order to prevent illegal gambling. Since it is difficult to tell the difference between this game and normal human hand gestures, anyone who makes a fist, holds a hand out with the palm side down, or makes a "peace" symbol with their hand will either be required to pay an insane fine or spend time in prison.

    1. Re:This just in... by TheBeast99 · · Score: 1
      The Government of Greece just announced that they will be banning the game "Rock, Paper, Scissors" in order to prevent illegal gambling. Since it is difficult to tell the difference between this game and normal human hand gestures, anyone who makes a fist, holds a hand out with the palm side down, or makes a "peace" symbol with their hand will either be required to pay an insane fine or spend time in prison.

      I hear that they are also banning the "who can piss highest up the side of a urinal" contest, in case people start gambling on it illegally!
      Remember, this is the reason that these laws are getting passed! The Greeks have long been established as a nation of avid gamblers. It's just that the government have decided that they want a cut of all of the profits.
      This is unreasonable for them. I cannot see them shutting down the coffee shops, so that people cannot play backgammon for money. It's just not going to happen, so why pick on computer users?
  38. Good god. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Prince must have been masturb8ing and typing with only one hand.

  39. Prince or Dijkstra by geoswan · · Score: 2
    So what would you say if a notable person doesn't speak english as his native language? Would you guys pull this shit with him too?

    Edger Dijkstra said something like, "In my opinion the most important quality in a computer programmer is a mastery of their native language." It is a good point. You have to understand what you are supposed to be doing. You have to be able to communicate with your colleagues. You have to be able to communicate with your boss, and your clients.

    Dijkstra then added something like, "This explains the generally poor quality of American programmers." Ouch!

    Seriously, Prince is not a foreigner. English is his native language. Not only is English his native Language, but he is a kind of professional communicator. His songs should be communicating something, no?

    Here in Canada we have our own music channels. They have biographies of musicians. I have seen this short clip advertizing his biography a number of times where he says, "I got to a point in my career, where I could say anything ".

    Well, too bad. If there was someone who could give him advice, that he would listen to, I think they should tell him, "Now hold on son. Forget your financial success, and rewind your ego to the point where you actually cared enough to make an effort for people to understand you."

    I mean seriously, if you're going to measure somebody's intelligence based on their shorthand (note: these aren't even typos we're talking abouthere) then wtf's the point? We're talking about the same group of people who uses email, instant messaging, IRC, and so on. Yet you're supposed to spell check everything you say?

    I am not measuring his intelligence. I am measuring his ego. Sure, go ahead and be casual with spelling and grammar when you are talking with someone one on one, or in IRC or IM. But the larger your audience, and the less well you know them, the more of an effort you should make to be clear, IMO.

    Well, George, doesn't Dijkstra sound like he had a big ego too? Yes. I guess he does. But Dijkstra was a computer science god. Who is going to be remembered one hundred years from now? Prince? Or Dijkstra. I sure hope it is Dijkstra.

    1. Re:Prince or Dijkstra by blue+trane · · Score: 1

      Who is going to be remembered one hundred years from now? Prince? Or Dijkstra. I sure hope it is Dijkstra.

      It'll be Prince for his revolutionary contributions to English spelling.

  40. Unfortunately... by thelinuxking · · Score: 2

    Babel fish doesn't currently have a "AOLLamerSpeak" to English converter yet.

  41. Prince isn't imitating hacker speak. by bass2496 · · Score: 5, Informative

    He has often written like that in the past. See his songs "I Would Die 4 U", "Money Don't Matter 2 Night", and "Nothing Compares 2 U."

    Whatever you have to say about his method of communcating, there is no doubt that he is an extrememly intelligent man and a musical prodigy.

    He has long been outspoken against the current state of the recording industry, and I am always glad to hear what he was to say about things.

    1. Re:Prince isn't imitating hacker speak. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well said. Listen to all these people bitching about Prince's "l33t" speak. Fuckin lamers, Prince was writing like this when the C64 was hot shit, and downloading ascii porn was "kewl."

      Here's a great artist, who actually stuck it to the recording industry by changing his name, and all these remora-like slashdotters can post is that his spelling sucks?

      WTF?

      Since when does command of the english language have *anything* to do with how smart a person is? We're all doomed. Go bend over and shop at Warehouse records or something.

    2. Re:Prince isn't imitating hacker speak. by _xeno_ · · Score: 2
      I did a replace on all his ... uh, interesting ... variants of spellings of common words. The resulting document is actually very well composed, is (as far as I can tell) grammatically sound, and fairly intelligently argued. All in all, with correct spelling, the article is a good piece.

      Unfortunately, the incorrect spelling distracted me and made it next to impossible to read the original. For an article where Prince is (presumably) attempting to reach a wider audience than "Prince Fans" it would be quite nice if the used proper spelling. He got "then" and "than" right, he got "its" and "it's" correct. If he can use proper grammar, I'm sure he can use proper spelling. It'll make him appear far more intelligent and lend additional weight to his argument.

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    3. Re:Prince isn't imitating hacker speak. by drinkypoo · · Score: 2
      The fact that prince was leet before leet was leet just means that he was way ahead of the curve on being a bozo.

      He's a brilliant guitarist and a skilled songwriter. I don't know that I'd say 'musical prodigy'. Some Prince songs have been really entertaining, but it's just pop-rock which imitates and seeks to fit in with every other pop-rock song.

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    4. Re:Prince isn't imitating hacker speak. by TaleSpinner · · Score: 1


      Anyone who hates the RIAA can't be all bad.

  42. Help! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does anybody have a copy of prince2english.c? I seem 2 b having trouble reading Nation of Thieves...

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  43. WOW! by Bob+Loblaw · · Score: 1


    I didn't know that Prince was an 3l33t d00d.

  44. You call that an article? by taernim · · Score: 1

    Why use the shoddy AP report on the Lance Bass Space situation?
    A much better(longer, more details/explanations from each side) one can be found here
    Cheers

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    1. Re:You call that an article? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Why use the shoddy AP report on the Lance Bass
      > Space situation?

      What's to say? Here, I'll sum it up even shorter for you:

      "Space Agency rejects Lance Bass like a Baboon Heart"

  45. That's gonna help a lot by oooga · · Score: 3, Funny

    The guys that do real stuff at ISS will get an extra cargo package the weight of the unlucky pop singer.

    Lance Bass' weight is currently estimated at just under 30 pounds, without hair gel and not including ego.

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    1. Re:That's gonna help a lot by Hard_Code · · Score: 2

      No you got it backwards, the hot air reduces weight...

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    2. Re:That's gonna help a lot by Myco · · Score: 2

      But not mass. Think, man!

    3. Re:That's gonna help a lot by lingqi · · Score: 2
      The guys that do real stuff at ISS will get an extra cargo package the weight of the unlucky pop singer.

      It's like 5am EST and i am still awake -- or at least in SOME state of semi-consciousness; and I have suddenly realized something phenomenal:

      when they say "extra cargo package" and "weight of blah blah" -- what do you think weights around the same "the unlucky pop singer"? why ANOTHER pop singer, of course...

      i bet 5:1 that the "guys that do real stuff at ISS" are gonna be getting some pussy. 10:1 that it's britney spears. ha! how's that for an early-morning enlightment?

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  46. Prince U R an illiter8 bastard! by Codex+The+Sloth · · Score: 4, Funny

    If I ever download a prince song I hereby promise to kill myself in the most disgusting manner possible. So now everyone is happy.

    I think the changing of his name to that stupid symbol was a preemptive strike to make his songs hard to download on gnutella. Or a pathetic cry for help. One of those.

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    1. Re:Prince U R an illiter8 bastard! by Polo · · Score: 2

      I think at one point the record companies owned the rights to the name "prince". He created the symbol in protest. I think Emancipation came out when the contract expired.

    2. Re:Prince U R an illiter8 bastard! by oh · · Score: 1

      If I rememebr correctly, Emancipation was the last album of the contract.

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    3. Re:Prince U R an illiter8 bastard! by jonnythan · · Score: 2

      Whatever kind of music you like, check out Prince's Pussy Control.

      Seriously.

    4. Re:Prince U R an illiter8 bastard! by MyHair · · Score: 1

      I can't stand his writing, and I'm not a fan of all his music, but I can't help but be impressed at the range of music styles he performs. So many artists these days have songs that all sound alike. He has quite a few different styles and sounds, and I respect that.

    5. Re:Prince U R an illiter8 bastard! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ahhh, You must be a Lance Bass fan. Sorry about the bad news...Prince h873r!!!

  47. about that prince article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    shut up with the spelling and relate to the thing instead..

  48. The Google Claim Has No Credibility by guttentag · · Score: 2
    an anonymous reader writes: "I'm working in China, and for the last 3 days Google and some other sites were not accessible. But since even sending SMS to europe didn't work I don't think it was censoring, more like routing problems of some sort. Anyway, Google is back and reports of slashdot blocking are also overrated :)"
    This warrants an article on slashdot? It's quite likely that someone working for China's state-controlled media sent the message, hoping to improve China's image in the eyes of the world. China is willing to go to great lengths to make the world believe it's more politically acceptable than it really is because it needs to trade with us, however it draws the line before actually implementing reform.

    I'll have to remember this article the next time I need a good laugh. Maybe I'll anonymously submit a story that consists solely of the following: "Your reports of Microsoft's animosity toward Linux are overrated. I am presently working on a Microsoft distribution of Linux." No links, no evidence, just hot air.

  49. Poor Lance ass (Prince Used all the B's Up) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dont the rooskies accept imaginary ameri-corporate-stock-option-internet-cyber-bucks as payment?

    Maybe it was the same 20 million imaginary ameri-corporate-stock-option-internet-cyber-bucks he lost due to P2P file sharing, so the point is moot.

  50. Prince Commentary Has Some Good Points by Sturm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm sure that most of the idiots posting here about Prince's lack of grammatical skills didn't read his entire commentary because there is actually a really good point he makes:

    "If people do not feel enough guilt 2 prevent them from making digital copies of the latest episode of a popular TV show or hit pop song, it is precisely because the industry giants have succeeded in making these works purely commercial products, with little or no consideration 4 their actual artistic value. It is precisely because these companies have been consistently promoting commercial products at the xpense of artistic works. "

    I think (while not elegant in form) this may be one of the most insightful remarks I've heard in a long time about the dangers of artistic commercialization. Teenagers aren't being tought the intrensic value of creativity. They are only being taught that the music they want to listen to and the movies they want to watch cost much more than they are willing or able to pay. Why wouldn't they copy them off P2P networks? Large media companies have turned music and movies into high profit commodities. People no longer feel that they are supporting the artists or actors... They are just filling the pockets of overpaid CEOs who are just going to turn around, steal their retirement and then lay them off!
    For those truly interested in this travesty, please read the entire article with an open mind. Prince may not be an elegant writer, but his comments appear to be similar to many Slashdot readers ideas on this subject.

    1. Re:Prince Commentary Has Some Good Points by FFFish · · Score: 2

      Actually, I though the (de-'leetified) writing was quite well-written and showed a surprising amount of insight and knowledge of Internet/file-sharing trends, the economy, and the government.

      I can't imagine why Prince publishes in shorthand, but it's well worth reading what he wrote .

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    2. Re:Prince Commentary Has Some Good Points by SandSpider · · Score: 4, Insightful
      A few points:
      1. Grammar matters. It doesn't matter how clearly you are thinking, if you don't even try to put effort into pretending like you aren't a pre-teen kid on an SMS pager, then people aren't going to read what you have to say. Oh, sure, some will, just because they think it's counter-cutural and cool. After all, it's Prince!
      2. Which leads me to my next point: if all we had to do was tell future generations the proper way to think, parenting (and ruling, for that matter) would be a breeze. The problem is, people, especially young people, rebel. They don't want to follow the views of the previous generation. Sometimes it's because the previous generation was messed up, but mostly it's because they want to make their own way in the world. Oh, not everyone, but enough to make a difference.
      3. You don't have to teach people the intrinsic value of creativity. I'm not saying you shouldn't, but creativity isn't going to go away just because they weren't taught. Creating something is hard. The easiest way to find that out is not for people to tell you, because what do they know? People are stupid. Of course they can't create. No, you learn because you try to make something, and what you make, in a word, sucks. So you try again. And again. And you keep it up until you get it right or you get sick of trying. Either way, you learn what it takes to make something.
      4. People have self-interest. They're going to realize that the laws and traditions that were there in the first place were their to protect creations like the ones that they make, or that they can't make. So, many times, they will be in support of those laws and traditions.

      Of course, things go in waves. There'll be a weakening of some social conventions, and later they'll come back, because the forces that created them in the first place still exist. I'm sure for a while we'll be pirating songs and pillaging corporations and raping artists, but, for a while, it'll settle down again. Unless there's some serious social upheaval, of course, but then you just have to adjust your frame of reference from years and decades to centuries or so.


      =Brian

      --
      There is nothing so good that someone, somewhere, will not hate it.
    3. Re:Prince Commentary Has Some Good Points by jelle · · Score: 2

      "I can't imagine why Prince publishes in shorthand"

      Look up some of his old albums (the physical medium I mean), you'll know why. For a quick look, lookup the song titles of "Graffiti Bridge" or "Cream".

      --
      --- Hindsight is 20/20, but walking backwards is not the answer.
    4. Re:Prince Commentary Has Some Good Points by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't have to teach people the intrinsic value of creativity. I'm not saying you shouldn't, but creativity isn't going to go away just because they weren't taught.

      No, but you do *absolutely* have to create an environment in which creative people can flourish and find an audience. History teaches this, economics teaches this, culture teaches this.

    5. Re:Prince Commentary Has Some Good Points by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok, I'm going to be a nit-picking English-Nazi. It drives me nuts when people use the word travesty as a pseudo-intellectual sounding substitute for tragedy.

    6. Re:Prince Commentary Has Some Good Points by benedict · · Score: 1

      I think you're full of hot air. Prince has a
      message to get out, and he gets it out in his
      way. Hundreds of thousands of people read it,
      because he's Prince, and it makes an impact.
      I think he makes some excellent points, and he
      does so briefly and intelligibly.

      If U really can't get past the way he writes,
      check your head. It's his web page, not the
      pages of the New Yorker.

      --
      Ben "You have your mind on computers, it seems."
    7. Re:Prince Commentary Has Some Good Points by SandSpider · · Score: 1
      Hundreds of thousands of people read it, because he's Prince


      Exactly. They read it because he's Prince. I'm pretty sure that if you check my message, you'll see I said the same thing. "After all," I wrote, "it's Prince!"


      On the other hand, that's something of a pre-disposed audience. It's not like they millions of teeming Prince fans are going to say, "That Prince sucks! I'm not going to listen to him now! It's time for me to turn to the philosophy of Nena."


      I wouldn't be at all surprised to discover that, because of his writing style, his audience is smaller than it could be, but more devoted to his every word. After all, if you have to wade through all the numbers-instead-of-words, then you must be pretty devoted. If he says something interesting, that's a welcome coincidence. But I'm not going to do any research on it, so I don't really care if I'm right on that point or not.


      Of course, my other points were the important ones. That first one, about grammar and all, that was just put on a) because it annoyed me; and b) because it made a good segue into the rest of the points.


      =Brian

      --
      There is nothing so good that someone, somewhere, will not hate it.
  51. Irony? by scrubjay · · Score: 1

    Do I have this right? The bayesian filter code in
    perl is available on a site called usethesource and
    comes as a group of .exe files? Seemed kinda odd to
    me ...

  52. I can't help but wonder... by Lurkingrue · · Score: 1

    I can't help but wonder how Prince/the-artist-formerly-known-as-a-symbol-repre senting-the-artist-formerly-known-as-Prince/etc. affected the development of "l33t"-speak. Think about it B4 U dizmiz it...

  53. He's an artist, he's supposed to be creative. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sheesh, listen to the whiners. I managed to follow the style and read the article with little or no difficulty. I must say, I'm surprised by the numbers of lamers who critized the syntax and ignored the message. As well, the verbage failed to contribute anything meaningful. Your critisms are just another typical example of first-worlders and their lack of generosity and manners.

  54. Prince talk != Ebonics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At least I could understand him...

    Bling, props, dope... Word up my niggas...

    Give me sum' tha gangsta lovin' ... me my boyz go slamming this ho ... 3 holes full of nigga sticks...

    1: KNOCK KNOCK
    2: Who's there?
    1: Glass Ceiling...
    2: Glass Ceiling who?
    1: Shut the fuck up nigga... You ain't getting thru.

    1/2: Word up!

  55. Darn it all... by numark · · Score: 1

    What is the world coming to when manufactured, commercial "pop" singers can't get a decent ride through the Russian Space Program for free? I mean, gosh, that's just plain cruel and unusual, I'm telling you. We should all be ashamed of ourselves for allowing such an injustice to occur.

    We now return you to your regularly scheduled reality, already in progress.

    --
    Want Slashdot headlines on your site? Try SlashHead
  56. Your sig by GigsVT · · Score: 1

    Man, it's

    Light a man a fire, and he will be warm for a night, Light a man afire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life.

    --
    I've had enough abrasive sigs. Kittens are cute and fuzzy.
    1. Re:Your sig by PurpleBob · · Score: 1

      If you're being that picky, then the least you could do is use punctuation that doesn't suck.

      --
      Win dain a lotica, en vai tu ri silota
    2. Re: your sig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't slashdot moderation an example of applying a technological solution to a sociological problem? oh wait, maybe that proves your point.

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    1. Re:Prince can say whatever he likes says this! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Very cute, I hope it's modded up. However, the point is not Prince's right to say it, which no one questions; the point is that it's hard to read.

  58. Google still not accessible from China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Contrary to what the posting suggests
    www.google.com is still not accessible
    from China as of September 4th.

    Yesterday www.google.ca was accessible,
    but it stopped working in the evening.

    Also the whole SourceForge got blocked
    (part of the site has been blocked at
    least since a year).

    Embassies, international organizations
    and possibly some expensive hotels have
    unrestricted access, so people on
    bussines trips may not have a complete
    picture.

    Greetings from Beijing
    [yicha]

  59. In China, Google still down by Nept · · Score: 2

    I'm on a project in Shenzhen, China right now (about 45 minutes from Hong Kong)
    Google is still blocked, but it is very spotty. If I try to go directly to www.google.com,I am blocked. If I ping google.com, the resolved IP (216.239.51.100) is functional. Also, Google Labs is still functional (labs.google.com) as well as this site

    --
    "Teachers leave us kids alone ..." - Roger Waters, Pink Floyd
    1. Re:In China, Google still down by BoneFlower · · Score: 2

      The one who claimed it isn't blocked- My suspicion is from his post that he works for a foreign company, and his company probably has a deal worked out for unfiltered internet access. I'd have to hear from someone in china to believe the reports were false.

    2. Re:In China, Google still down by Nept · · Score: 1

      Yea, I also work for a foreign company here in China, and if I use our proxy, or if I use my own proxy at home even, I can access any thing - the only problem is that it is painfully slow.
      Without the proxy, I have to resort to other means to access Google (or geocities, or any other blocked domain).

      --
      "Teachers leave us kids alone ..." - Roger Waters, Pink Floyd
  60. 31337, d00d! by rlangis · · Score: 1

    No, he's just 13373r that all the rest of us 14/\/\3rz.

    --
    GIR: I'm going to sing the Doom song now. Doom doom doom doom doom doom de-doom doom doom doom doom doom doom...
  61. How long???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How long before people get over the leet speak fad and start actually writing? b4? 2gether? sheesh.

  62. N'Sync not N'Space by wowbagger · · Score: 1

    (which was the title of my submission - I think mine is better....)

    But damn it, I wanted him in space. Oh well, plans change.

    Anybody want to buy a ground-to-space interceptor rocket?

  63. message to Prince by DeathTongue · · Score: 0, Troll
    Prince 15 5uch a p053r. Why c4n't h3 l34rn t0 sp377 71k3 4 n0rm47 p3r50n?

    7053r!!!!

  64. Don't like replacing words with numbers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    sed -e 's/b4/before/g;s/ ur/your/g;s/ 4 / for /g;s/2/to/g;s/ x/ ex/g;s/ u / you /g;s/ r /are/g;s/ b / be /g;s/4m/forum/g'

    Now can you shut up about the damn numbers?

  65. Fun at parties. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Besides, boiling the language down to some simplified form removes connotations and such, and it's very much like 1984 newspeak to do so.

    First, you don't boil language down. Language is initially reduced to letters using salt, mercury and a slow flame under the vessel. The letters are then converted to numbers using secret tables and rational deduction. It is only then that all connotation is removed and yet the message the numbers reveal consists only of connotation. This is especially true when patterns in the numbers start to resemble letterforms from script long considered dead.

    I bet you are not very fun at parties.

  66. Name change by nightterror · · Score: 1

    The reason Prince went with the symbol for his name was to show his contempt for the music industry. Look at his WB contract termination then look at his discography. When his absurd contract ended his name was changed back to Prince. In an interview Prince stated:

    "The first step I have taken towards the ultimate goal of emancipation from the chains that bind me to Warner Bros. was to change my name from Prince to 0{+>. Prince is the name that my Mother gave me at birth. Warner Bros. took the name, trademarked it, and used it as the main marketing tool to promote all of the music that I wrote. The company owns the name Prince and all related music marketed under Prince. I became merely a pawn used to produce more money for Warner Bros...."

    (Yes his birth certificate read "Prince Rogers Nelson". The beatings he must have gotten....)

    Prince has been an opponent to "big business music" for a very long time. As a result he doesn't own the rights to most of his own original recordings.

    --
    Photons have mass!!?? I didn't even know they were Catholic...
    1. Re:Name change by Chuq · · Score: 1

      "Prince Rogers Nelson".

      Poor Nelson...

      --
      - Chuq
  67. Wait... by dokutake · · Score: 1

    So the Russians of all people are complaining about him not being on time with payments for his trip to the International Space Station? *cough*

    --
    - Peter
  68. When Prince Cries by Myriad · · Score: 4, Funny
    (To the tune of When Doves Cry)

    Dr3@m !f u c@n @ n3tw0rk
    @ c0nn3ct10n 0f 'putt3r2 1n p33r
    Mu21c tr@d3 4 fr33
    T43y f33l t43 s0und
    T43 s0und 0f MP3

    40w c@n u l3@v3 m3 p1ngl322
    @ g33k 1n @ w0rld t4@t bl0ws
    M@yb3 1'm t00 us3d 2 p@nd3r1ng
    M@yb3 1t'2 my p0t2 2 sl0w
    M@yb3 H177@ry'2 l1k3 my g1rl
    24e's n3v3r s@t12f13d
    W4y d0 u 2cr3@m w43n u r3@d t412
    T412 12 w4@t 1t 20und2 7143
    W43n 3ng7124 t3@c43rs cry

    --
    "They do not preach that their god will rouse them, a little before the Nuts work loose." Kipling, 'The Sons of Martha'
    1. Re:When Prince Cries by Myriad · · Score: 2
      (a translation for the l337 disabled. And yes, I know, I used '7' as an L instead of a 'T' - sue me)

      Dream if you can a network
      A connection of 'puters in peer
      Music trade for free
      They feel the sound
      The sound of MP3

      How can you leave me pingless
      A geek in a world that blows
      Maybe I'm too used to pandering
      Maybe It's just my pots modem too slow
      Maybe Rosens just like my girl
      She's never satisfied
      Why do you scream when you read this
      This is what is sounds like
      When English teachers cry

      --
      "They do not preach that their god will rouse them, a little before the Nuts work loose." Kipling, 'The Sons of Martha'
  69. Google by aCC · · Score: 2, Informative

    I am writing this from Xi'an in Shaanxi Province, China. Google stopped working several days ago and still doesn't work. Going to a different IP address works though. So it might be a feeble attempt at blocking or a routing problem.

    aCC

  70. confirm... by z01d · · Score: 3, Informative


    here is the news report on a major chinese news site, this site used to be neutrally, but it then has been controlled by China government, yes, i don't have the evidence to prove that it is "semiofficial", but it really is. i don't have much time, so i can only translate the main point of this report:

    To purify the Internet, some search engine has been banned "without day"
    obvioursly, the un-controlled "carpet searching" sometimes is really a "dust collector", it may leads the user to those illegal site and page, and since its server is oversea, so our country has no "supervision" with it. that's quite reasonable to ban those search engine.

    yes, it doesn't mention google, but everybody know who it is.

    and then, why there are some people think it's a rumor, think it's a "technical problem". the reason is google is still accessible thru some IP address. and many mirror is not banned (in case you dunno the heading chinese on that mirror site, that's "I NEED Google"). so it's quite understandable as "DNS failure" or something like this. why mirror is not banned? one possible reason is the dictator himself has no knowledge about internet, the banning was executed by operator, the operator's responsibility is to show the dictator: "look, www.google.com is not accessible". yea, some operators are still human being, that's why we in China can still access google thru some mirror.

    confirm over...

    (is this a confirmation to the fact, or a confirmation to the rumor? i bet those naive people who think CCP is not that bad will never give up this quesiton. :)

    see my another post about this

  71. P2P Impedes Space Exploration by timeOday · · Score: 1

    Yes you know it's true,
    Oh, oh, pirates, I blame youuu!

  72. Illegal gambling.... by G-funk · · Score: 2

    I know a lot of americans think that they are "free", but as an Australian, I can't fathom a modern western society where gambling is against the law. It's rediculous. Also, I'm intrigued about the details - I know you guys have a lottery system, do you have those little "instant scratchies"? Also, I assume pokies are banned, what about bingo? And more importantly, if there's no pokies, and no bingo, what the hell do you people do when you get older than 55?

    --
    Send lawyers, guns, and money!
    1. Re:Illegal gambling.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lottery System? Yup, most states have a lottery. I think there are 'instant scratchies' but the big thing seems to be powerball. It's an excellent way for the state to tax the poor and desperate.

      Bingo? No worries, our old people have bingo. It appears to be legal or at least tolerated. My grandma has been playing bingo for 20 years and the police have yet raided the local community center.

      Of course Nevada, our most libertarian state, allows full on gambling. However, it is just too excessive, as you cannot go anywhere in that state without hearing those god damn slot machines go off.

    2. Re:Illegal gambling.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gambling is legal in a lot of the U.S. now. I can drive 30 minutes and visit about a dozen casinos in Tunica, MS.

      Plus, there is always Vegas...

    3. Re:Illegal gambling.... by qqtortqq · · Score: 1

      In most states, bingo is legal as long as the proceeds go to a charitable organization. Thats why churches here often have 'bingo nights', they keep all the proceeds for themselves, because they are a charitable organization.

    4. Re:Illegal gambling.... by fyonn · · Score: 1

      Also, I assume pokies are banned

      educate a poor brit would you, wtf are pokies?

      dave

    5. Re:Illegal gambling.... by tubs · · Score: 1

      Aren't they cute Japenese toys that are also a badly animated cartoon and a card game.

      If they aren't banned, they should be.

      --

      try to make ends meet, you're a slave to money, then you die

    6. Re:Illegal gambling.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oh shit sorry, poker machines... we tend to shorten just about everything amongst my group of friends...

    7. Re:Illegal gambling.... by Yorrike · · Score: 1

      A "pokie" is the New Zealand/Aussie term for a poker machine.

      --

      Looks can be deceiving. Or CAN they?

    8. Re:Illegal gambling.... by ElectricRook · · Score: 1
      what the hell do you people do when you get older than 55?


      Unfortunately, we have to work until we are 65, as we pay 15% tax on gross earnings to Social Security. Then 35% federal, and 10% state income tax on whats left. Most people are addicted to the TV. Which is a sad thing, because they are under the delusion that the TV actors are their friends. They believe watching "their friends" on the TV is the same as visiting real friends. Lost in their delusion, they abandon contact with real people.

      About gambling and corruption. The US is as corrupt as any Banana Republic. But all the corruption is at the top, or official. It's in the form of regulations and permits. If you want to play cards with your friends in your kitchen, no one cares. But if you want to open a casino, rent a hall, or play in a bar. Then you need a permit. That's where the corruption comes in. Every politician and do-gooder organization wants a "Ahem" donation. Or else they will squawk, and your permit will not get approved. The press is implicit in the else statement. YMMV.

      --
      - High Tech workers, please say NO to Union Carpenters, their Union sees fit to control our compensation.
    9. Re:Illegal gambling.... by seann · · Score: 1

      bingo is a past time over here
      we have scratch tickets
      we have a national lottery
      and we also have casinos
      (in my city we have two(second one in construction)

      I live in Niagara Falls, Ontario
      thats a Canadian city.

      --
      I'm a big retard who forgot to log out of Slashdot on Mike's computer! LOOK AT ME.
  73. Ah, Prince by foobar104 · · Score: 2
    I can't believe I'm the first one, out of 200-odd posts, to make the obvious obligatory Simpsons reference.
    Skinner: All right, read me back what I have so far, Mrs. Krabapatra.

    Krabappel: Bird, bird, giant eye, pyramid, bird.

    Skinner: Mmm-hmm, very good. Uh, giant eye, dead fish, cat head, cat head, cat head, guy doing this... [strikes the "walk like an Egyptian" pose]

    -- "Simpsons Bible Stories"
  74. i don't want mean offense, but... by z01d · · Score: 1

    anonymous reader writes:

    "I'm working in China, and for the last 3 days Google and some other sites were not accessible.

    yea, CNN, BBC and many many other sites were not accessible, they all have routing problems.

    But since even sending SMS to europe didn't work I don't think it was censoring, more like routing problems of some sort.

    i can not boot my computer this morning, i think that's why my PS2 doesn't work.

    Anyway, Google is back and reports of slashdot blocking are also overrated :)"

    o? Google is never gone, i can use it all the time, what? you mean "www.google.com"? oh, sorry, but i still can not access it NOW, i'm in China. should i go for some technical support?

  75. Why Play Games in Greece...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...put down the mouse and get out to the beach...I hear the pussy is pretty fine there!

  76. Google is reacting. by chip_hk · · Score: 1


    They now is acknowledgeing the blocking, and start offering dynamic URLs for access starting around 20 Sept.,

    http://full.mingpaonews.com/20020904/__cac1.htm
    (a respectful newspaper in Hong Kong, traditional chinese)

    In essential, send a mail to dynurl@google.com, and Google will give you an URL for accessing, which is valid for only 12 hours.

  77. more by z01d · · Score: 1

    yes,it's definite routing problems, but is it an accident or is it intended?

  78. 1ce U get thru his unique lingo... by MsGeek · · Score: 2
    ...Prince has a hell of a lot of strong stuff to say about the state of music. And unlike Janis Ian and Courtney Love he's been busy saying lots about it for years.

    Click on some of the links beside the article cited in this Slashback. There's some good stuff. Prince knows more than most just how screwed the record industry is. Not just from his own experience, but black musicians have been getting it up the rectum without vaseline for almost a century now from the recording industry.

    His closing remarks are most cogent. I will reprint them translated from his odd way of writing.

    How long, however, before a critical mass of established artists realize that it is in their best interests, both artistically and commercially, to leave the system for good? How long before a critical mass of young aspiring artists become aware of the enslaving aspects of the system and are careful not to get involved in it without a maximum of precautions? And how long before a critical mass of art lovers get together to provide these artists with a real, valuable, legitimate, truthfully enthusiastic alternative audience that completes the process of rendering the existing system artistically irrelevant?

    More power 2 U, Prince. U rock.

    --
    Knowledge is power. Knowledge shared is power multiplied.
  79. SPELLING FLAME Re:Illegal gambling.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We've got plenty of legal gambling in the US, from bingo on up. What's ridiculous is the fact that you (and so many others) are under the impression that "rediculous" is a word.

  80. Re:Google VP Sergey Brin's DynURL announcement by Jamyang · · Score: 1
  81. google definitely blocked : bbc article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    from the poster: "... I don't think it was censoring, more like routing problems of some sort."

    from google: "We are currently working with Chinese officials to get our full service restored to the millions of Chinese users who depend on Google every day."

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/2233229.st m

  82. Friends say Wan Yanhai is 'safe,' by Jamyang · · Score: 1
    Friends say Wan Yanhai is 'safe,' but protesters Monday urged Beijing to explain his disappearance.

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  83. Note On The Greek Law (Covers Home Systems Too): by PipianJ · · Score: 1

    It covers Public *AND* Private use. No more consoles in Greece whatsoever.

    1. Operation and installation of any game of type (b), (c) and (d) of Article 1, including computer games, placed in public places such as hotels, cafeterias, organization halls and in any other public or private place, is prohibited.

  84. Greek law, most frightening clause by BoneFlower · · Score: 3, Interesting

    From the english translation-

    1. Operation and installation of any game of type (b), (c) and (d) of Article 1, including computer games,
    placed in public places such as hotels, cafeterias, organization halls and in any other public or private
    place, is prohibited.


    Public or *private*!!!! As worded, this law applies to games played at home. Any Greek/English bilingual folks who care to comment on the accuracy of this translation?

    2. Operation of games of type (e) is allowed in devices of type (a). Regarding these games, it is prohibited to place bets.
    Such bets will attract penalties described in Articles 4 and 5.


    So Monopoly on a board is legal, but on PC is not? Despite the fact that the game is fundamentally the same, only a difference in medium?

    1. Re:Greek law, most frightening clause by olethrosdc · · Score: 1

      Yes, that is the correct translation. Unfortunately, most people in Greece do not understand the significance of this law and they think it is just an 'anti-gambling' law. Also take a look here for some more comments.

      --

      I miss my rubber keyboard.(Homepage)

  85. At last.. by chris_sawtell · · Score: 2
    "In an unbelievable move the Greek government has banned all public play of computer games with enactment of law 3037/2002."


    At last a government that has the intestinal fortitude to stand up to the Devil Incarnate in the form of International Capitalism, and look after the good of the people.

  86. Greece - Opening one MASSIVE can of worms... by Turken · · Score: 3, Funny

    Do they realize that in order to use most of their computers, they'll now have to separate Solitaire from all MS operating systems? Seeing as how long it took the US to split IE from the system, Greece doesn't stand a chance!

  87. huh? by jelle · · Score: 2

    Prince Rocks.

    Plus he's probably written many songs and helped many artists that you do like.

    --
    --- Hindsight is 20/20, but walking backwards is not the answer.
  88. Ignoring the bad spelling... by Arcaeris · · Score: 1

    You know, if half of the people on here bothered to read it instead of just talking smack, you'd see that Prince had intelligent things to say. I was pleasantly surprised.

    "So now we have a so-called magazine "reporting" on the latest new blockbuster movie with a 10-page, full-color spread -- as if the reporters weren't aware that the same company that produced the movie also owns their magazine... Yes, this is still called a "magazine". These r still called "reporters". And this is still called "journalism"... And yet millions of people r gleefully letting themselves b had. "

    That's one of the best statements against corporations and consolidation that I've heard. It's come to the point that it's very difficult (or maybe already even impossible) for popular media to break away from the financial stranglehold. How can we expect information to be free if the means to produce it and the control over it is not? Some would say that the internet is the answer, but we all know that for every reputable site there's a million dedicated to wacky ass crap.

    "If people do not feel enough guilt 2 prevent them from making digital copies of the latest episode of a popular TV show or hit pop song, it is precisely because the industry giants have succeeded in making these works purely commercial products, with little or no consideration 4 their actual artistic value."

    They have done exactly that. Most people say that they pirate music because they feel it is a victimless crime (or so I've read). Music has become a commodity, an item, a product to be kept and enjoyed. People find it acceptable to steal because the connection between it and the artists is lost. It's seen as merely a venture for them to gain profit. They make millions of dollars anyway, right? It doesn't hurt anybody, right?

    Most people probably don't see the struggling artists who are poruing their soul into music to make it. We see Britney Spears (and her clones). We see this nu-metal crap. Hell, what is "making it" in the music industry, anyway? Just to become like the icon that everyone currently sees. Where is the art in that?

    "And the real victims also include authentic music lovers, who already suffer from restricted access 2 the full range of music that they would like 2 xplore"

    That's right. I'll tell you why I pirate music - because there's no real alternative. I'm not going to buy an entire Jethro Tull album just because I have a liking for Locomotive Breath. I can't buy it for a reasonable price (or quality) on its own, however. I collect episodes of TV shows on my computer because I can't get them anywhere else. I want to download LOTR - The Two Towers because after I see it in the theatre once or twice, I'll tire of paying $8 each time and still not be able to buy it.

    Where did real consumerism go in the face of the corporate empire? Where did music get lost in the profit-scheme?

    Is there actually an alternative that will allow and cultivate the quality production of music?

    1. Re:Ignoring the bad spelling... by BMaximus · · Score: 0

      Was he trying to show the artistic side of him? Or did he really want to be taken seriously? If he wanted to be taken seriously he should have used proper grammar. I haven't read the whole thing but was there a point that he was trying to make with his near h4x0r style of writing?

  89. my quarts timepiece is full of granualted shugar by PhreakOfTime · · Score: 1

    its nonsense? I wonder if you have ever tried to learn another language, now imagine trying to learn english. English is the most ass-backward language you will come across. Look how these words are spelled; 'knife, phoenetic, sugar, neighbor, weigh, albiet' Oh yea, theres that wonderful 'i before e' rule....oh and that 'k' in knife is silent, you dont actually say it.

    Are you actually saying that the phraseology of 'b4' is more complicated to you than a 'mostly valid' rule of placing the letters i and e in a word, or adding letters that dont even exist in the word as it is spoken? 'rendezvous. only 4 letters out of 26 are not used as silent letters in various words

    Sure why not, at one point the earth was flat because the king and queen told you so in order to control your movements...I suppose this could be seen as true to those same kinds of personalities...enjoy

  90. Re:Gaming Ban in Greece? Nobody told them! by aagha · · Score: 1

    I live in Greece right now, in a suburb of Athens called Voula, and they're a couple of large Internet cafe's here which have games.

    Not to mention the largest gaming cafe I've ever seen in my life was in Crete.

    There's absolutely nothing about banning games in Greece in the news.

  91. Is it true about Sony? by binaryfeed · · Score: 1

    Does anyone know if it's true about Sony? Do they really make more money from electronics and computer sales than they do from media (music, movies, games) sales?

  92. Re: Vivendi by guttentag · · Score: 2
    And another one: Universal Music Group, Verve, Nathan, Canal+, Impulse!, Cegetel, USA Networks, Decca, Interscope, Geffen, A&M, Barclay, Armand Colin, L'Express, Universal Studios, Larousse, Sierra, MP3.com, MCA Records, Deutsche Grammophon, Cineplex, etc. All owned by the same corporate giant (Vivendi Universal).
    You left out Vivendi Water (it goes by the name US Filter). That's right, Vivendi Universal is the largest operator of municipal and corporate water systems (tap water, sewers, etc.) and manufacturer of the parts used by those systems in the world. Oh, sure, your tap water might not seem like an entertainment venue, but wait until your sink starts spewing ruddy-colored liquid about a week before the artist Pink releases a new album.

    Are you drinking Vivendi water? Vivendi supplies water to Honolulu, Tampa Bay, Oklahoma City, and other cities around the world. It also supplies water to Samsung, General Motors, BP Amoco, Chevron, Ford, Nestle (the Swiss food giant that recently bought HotPockets manufacturer Chef America and is looking to buy out American icon Hershey) and others.

    And it's growing, as cities faced with the expensive proposition of upgrading hundred-year-old water systems look for alternatives. The problem is that companies like Vivendi promise the world at a great price in exchange for a 20-year-contract, and then they fail to deliver... leaving residents and businesses without clean drinking water. Be afraid.

  93. The big Ask from Avondale by wadiwood · · Score: 1

    Is that NZ horses winning Aussie Races? Hell one of them was even called "Kiwi" just in case we weren't sure.

    I thought Brew had retired but he seems to be on the come back trail. SMH ref . I like the idea of "the big ask" from the land of big hairy NZ spiders.

    --

    -- it must be true, it's on the internet.
  94. 7074LLY (half tongue-in-cheek) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Agr33d. 50m30n3 541d 50m37h1ng l1k3 "1f Pr1nc3 1n51575 0n 5p34k1ng b1ff 7h4n fuck h1m," bu7 7h3 w4y 1 533 17, 1f 50m30n3 1n51575 0n d15r3g4rd1ng 4 v4l1d, c0mp3ll1ng 73x7 b453d 50l3y 0n 7h3 l4ngu4g3 1t 15 c0nv3y3d 1n, 7h3n fuck 7h31r pr155y-455, 1v0ry t0w3r 0f 7h3 3ngl15h l4ngu4g3 0p1n10n! d0n7 l37 7h3 d00r h17 y0ur 455 0n 7h3 w4y 0u7!

    -chris :D:D:D

  95. In his place...? by KILNA · · Score: 1
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    Error: PANTS NOT FOUND. Press <F1> to continue.
  96. THANK YOU by MyHair · · Score: 1

    Thanks for the translation! I swear I couldn't read two paragraphs of that shortcut writing crap.

    Actually I didn't get through the whole translation, either. It got too long winded, but it was a much smoother read.

  97. Re:eugenia loli, fat, and phirst poast piss frost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let me guess...you're "TET", and you're pissed off that OSNews "censors" comments? Oh well, boo hoo.

  98. FYI: prince is not hard to decipher by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    prince wrote like that WAY before 1337 \^/|2i+i|\|9 ("elite writing") was around, and if your brain is so lazy that it still has trouble to translate that text for you, you've got more severe problems to worry about. for example, that you're a total dunce.

    i'm not a native english speaker, nor a script kiddie. i'm just able to adapt to different communication protocols, and i think: be conservative in what you send, and liberal in what you accept. sostopyerbitchin.

  99. More details in Greek Gaming Ban by ricudis · · Score: 1

    #include

    As they always say, the devil is in the details.

    The whole thing started some years ago, when Greek officials decided to ban gambling. Gambling is, from an social and ethical perspective, mostly considered a normal activity in Greece, and it's rather usual for Greeks to gamble, in several ways. Card playing with money, and some gambling games with dice are a long time tradition in Greece.

    The real problem Greek government has with gambling is that it's a mostly un-taxable financial transaction. From about 1990 on, there were some shops in Greece with coin-up games employing a mostly innocent "one armed bandit" slot machine that would not pay the player back, of course.

    Many people converted these slot machines to full gambling mode, enabling them to get bets and pay the player back on winning events. The use of these machines in this mode was always banned, and it's prohibited only in government-licensed (and highly taxed) casinos (which are some of the most profitable businesses in Greece)

    Coin-up shops employed several methods to cover this special 'gambling mode', on the coin-ups, even controlling the machines remotely to get them back on their normal operation mode in the case of a DOY (Greek IRS) raid.

    Of course, whenever a raid was sucessful and the owner of the shop (or, more usually, an inoccent waitress - shop owners are always careful not to be present when a raid takes place) got busted, the problem was usually solved by another kind of financial transaction that is also a long time tradition in Greece, namely bribery :>

    Very few shops went as far as to operate under an Internet Cafe cover, employing PCs and software for gambling purposes. In the case of a raid, they were switched to normal 'internet cafe' operation.

    All these facts were widely known in Greece, though no one really was really giving too much attention on them. Suddenly, a renowned TV journalist, well known for his style of researching, though sensational and yellow journalism, made a TV show that 'revealed' what almost everybody knew about gambling machines in Greece. The press - mostly yellow press - acted immediately, magnifying the whole subject to an inappropriate degree (as they mostly do on every chance they get).

    At some time, somebody found out that you can illegaly gamble through Internet and gambling sites, online casinos, etc. This only made the whole matter worse, especially to the eyes of a sensational, uneducated, and highly conservative majority of the 'public opinion' in Greece, that spontaneously equated "internet use" and "internet cafes" with "illegal gambling".

    The reaction of the legislative body was reflexive - they unanimously passed a law banning *all* games except for some that 'require muscle power from the player' and that 'don't rely on electrical/electronic or software mechanisms'. The law essentialy bans all games except perhaps "heads or tails".

    Internet Cafes in Greece get most of their profit from online gaming - web browsing or email is a relative minority on their profit, as most people just go there to play games like Starcraft. The law had a special provision for Internet Cafes, stating that they are allowed to use computers only to provide non-gaming activities. The activation of the abovementioned law caused a wide range of actions, from official protesting and lobbying through a newly formed Netcafe Union, to the forming of special hidden rooms in netcafes to play the 'illegal games'.

    The whole matter has tremendous interest to watch, from several perspectives. It's always a great intellectual challenge to live in Greece and actually try to understand what's going on around you :>

  100. The punch line by pommiekiwifruit · · Score: 1

    ...on open-day!

  101. I suspect you have all been trolled... by Gordonjcp · · Score: 2

    IIRC September 1st is the Greek equivalent of April 1st. I've absolutely no evidence to back this up, it's just one of those random trivial things I once heard. Anybody in Greece care to clarify this?

    I mean, come on... Banning games in mobile phones? Does this mean that Nokia are going to produce special Greek firmware that don't have the games? I wouldn't have thought so...

    1. Re:I suspect you have all been trolled... by Alsee · · Score: 3, Informative

      September 1st is the Greek equivalent of April 1st.

      The online greek newspaper I saw had this dated Sept 3. Just follow the links, or use google. This is too huge to be a prank. Numerous websites all over greece and the world. Online PDF's with the full text of the law. English translations. Legal analysis. Petitions. More.

      They had people rigging PacMan machines with payouts. The dopey politians couldn't figure out how to close all the loopholes so they just decided to go mosquito hunting with shotguns. It's not like any of them play electonic games.

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      - - You can't take something off the Internet! That's like trying to take pee out of a swimming pool.
    2. Re:I suspect you have all been trolled... by snathan · · Score: 1

      Nope, not true. The Greek equivalent of April 1st is, well, April 1st. :)

  102. Founding fathers by pommiekiwifruit · · Score: 1
    To them, a Life without liberty wasn't worth living.

    You meant to say they were a bunch of slave owners who didn't want to pay their taxes.

  103. Re:eugenia loli, fat, and phirst poast piss frost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Eugenia, is that you? I hate you because of the way you censor. I hate you, and if I had to live in your kingdom in real life I would suicide attack you. Your death would be worthy ends to my means.

    This is just another example of spineless crap moderation by Eugenia. I hate her fucking fascist fat fronds of celluite dripping down her bones and puddling up near here wrists which hinge har fat sausage fingers.

    Mao Tse Tung, Hitler, Stalin, Castro, Pinochet, Mussolini, Marshall Joseph Tito, Slobodan Milosevic, Idi Amin, Ho Chi Minh, Saddam Hussein, Muammar Qaddafi, Juan Peron, Ayatollah Khomeini, Ferdinand Marcos, General Suharto, Pol Pot, Fransisco Franco, and certainly the worst of the bunch, EUGENIA FAT PIG LOLI's editing/moderating [read: censoring] ALL AGREE on ONE THING:

    CENSORSHIP WORKS!


    So, you busy little plebian proletariat BITCH, get busy, you have some censoring to do! FUN!

    Good job you little neo-commies BITCH, EUGENIA FAT. Don't want to hear the other side, shoot the fucker in the head as an ENEMY OF THE STATE [In this case anyone who seeks to improve the sad state of OSNEWS and its fucking lame conjecture.]

    A few haikus to commemorate the sucktitude:
    Crack Pipe
    Crack smoke wafts though air
    Dumb shit LOLI QUERU
    Try to suck less, please

    Humorless
    Crack smoke wafts through air
    Humorless LOLI QUERU
    Why do you hate me?

    The Proletariat
    OSnews Commie
    LOLI QUERU fears new idea!
    Censor him quickly!

    Get busy moderating this down, you little minions of the FAT GREASE LORD obedient prefects of the corrupt CUNT, LOLI! You are the vanguards of chunky brown vaginal discharges, and dissent is not allowed!
  104. Wow. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've never before seen anyone go to so much effort just to karma whore.

  105. He did have a spellchecker... by Simon · · Score: 1
    Prince did have a spellchecker handy when he wrote that; it was most likely composed in MSWord. The typographically correct quotes ("sixes" and "nines") in constrast to the dumb quotes like in this comment, were most likely the work of MSWord's Autoformat and "Smart Quotes" feature...

    unless of course Prince used the time saved on correct spelling to go back and manually fix his quoting... mmmm.

    anal retentive? Who? me?

    --
    Simon

  106. Spamassassin by KjetilK · · Score: 2

    That sounds really nice! One good thing is if we could plug this into SpamAssassin. A message flagged by the Bayesian approach would be given a score of 4, for example. I'm afraid I haven't got the time to write it, so I'm not volunteering... :-)

    --
    Employee of Inrupt, Project Release Manager and Community Manager for Solid
    1. Re:Spamassassin by Matts · · Score: 2

      It's already being worked on.

      Matt. (a SpamAssassin developer)

      --

      Matt. Want XML + Apache + Stylesheets? Get AxKit.
  107. you have to get smart by oever · · Score: 2

    This is the (normal text) transcript of the first track of one of his NPG records:

    Operator: New Power Generation

    Prince: Is this Paisley Park?

    O: No, this is not that record company. This is NPG Records.

    P: Are you conducting a talent search?

    O: Yes that's true. We are conducting a world-wide talent search.

    P: What are you looking for?

    O: What are we looking for?

    P: Yes

    O: Well, first and foremost, you have too get free.

    P: Free?

    O: You know, when it becomes time to download your work into your fans computers, you can't have any other contractual obligations

    P: Oh?

    O: Second of all, you have to get smart.

    P: Wait a minute.

    O: The more substantial you education, the more substantial you income in the new city.

    P: Really?

    O: And thirdly and above all, in the face of all adversity, you must be able 2 GET WILD!

    --
    DNA is the ultimate spaghetti code.
  108. Never trust "news" from a biased source by tisaak · · Score: 1
    Hi.

    You know, it's a really big problem that most people never read between the lines, or think they do, too much for their own good, therefore delivering _false_ news.

    Being Greek, I was shocked when I read this, especially after visiting the NetCafe website, which all-too-tragically gives the impression that installing a game on your own computer is illegal.

    Yes, it is tragic that some dumbass politician states "We couldn't check thousands of machines so we ban everything and everyone is A-OK", but the image conveyed by the surely-biased NetCafe group of internet cafes is a false one. This is of course a problem of the netcafes, because they can't offer multiplayer games anymore (this _is_ bad, for all of the teenagers who want to play the latest games online).

    In the original (Greek PDF) law text, I take it that the word "paignio" (for "game") points to game consoles found on ferries, in bars, in billiard bars and the like, or on slot machines etc. Thus, what is meant by the word "private", is that it's illegal to install a game on your PC, or use something like a MAME-cabinet (which is illegal because of the roms anyway) and then use it to turn your house into something like an illegal net cafe or gambling house. I don't think it bad to ban offshot private gambling places.

    You don't know the background behind this, it't a long story (dates back a year) when there was all this fuss about casino machines used without a license _everywhere_. I doubt that you can find some info about this thing in English, maybe you should check out old articles at Kathimerini.

    I sure think that someone should verify his sources and not only read the first paragraph before writing an article or a commentary.

    It _sucks_ that a ban movement is forced in general (which shows deep technological ignorance of those who promote such moves) but it's not like it's illegal if I play Quake3 on my PC.

    Of course, if you organize a tournament involving bets and the such, it is gambling. Then things change of course...

    One last thing: I am against this, if it by any way means that playing nethack is illegal :-) but I am also against misinformation. This english-language "law.txt" file you can find floating somewhere on these Netcafe linked sites is only an excerpt which serves their purposes.

  109. Space Mediocrity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have a major problem with the idea of space tourism. Who do you think funded the ISS? It sure as hell wasn't the Russians nor was it Lance Bass or these other clowns. It really was you, me, and the rest of the US taxpayers. As a person of science, the whole thought of trivializing the space program by letting civilian celebrities up there is disgusting. It is also a waste of taxpayer money. The only people who have any buisness up there are the scientists and astronauts. This isn't some game, nor is about tourism. I have been hoping and praying for this kind of outcome since the day it was announced [of course an infamous Russian space "accident" would have been equally as satisfying]. We supposedly live in a meritocracy and I believe that only the most qualified individuals should be allowed to travel into space and use facilities funded by taxpayer $$$. Not puting very much faith in capitalism today amid the recent disasters, it is refreshing to see the rich&famous DENIED. Frankly there is more important things to be done in space then to send up some prepubescent girls' masturbation fantasy! Now that this is over, maybe we can get back to the real research and exploration.

  110. Arcade games NOT banned in Greece by evilandi · · Score: 2

    Read the English translation for yourself. To quote:

    e. Entertainment technical games are those, whose result depends exclusively on the ability and skill of the player, and are used solely for entertainment.

    ...

    2. Operation of games of type (e) is allowed

    Entertaintment-only games machines, such as Space Invaders, are specifically ALLOWED by the act. On the first page. Can't you chaps read? Even the English translation?

    The only about arcade games being banned is PLACING BETS on the outcome. For instance, betting on who might win a Space Invaders multiplayer tournament.

    What they're banning is electric and electronic muscle-meter games, because they are played by muscle-bound idiots who start fights with each other. They are also banning part-electric part-electronic part-mechanical games such as fruit machines, because they're played people who are too stupid to understand probability theory, who are therefore probably also too stupid to get a job and spend their entire social security allowance on them. I guess the part-mechanical element might also be applied to pinball, but since they don't make pinball machines anymore, it hardly matters.

    --
    Andrew Oakley - www.aoakley.com
    1. Re:Arcade games NOT banned in Greece by ricudis · · Score: 1

      Read the text again, you're wrong.
      Clause 2.1 bans *all* games ('technical' or 'gambling' ones) that rely on electronic/electrical/software means.
      Clause 2.2 specifically allows ONLY games 'whose results only depends on the player's ability and skill' WHEN THEY ARE PLAYED ON DEVICES THAT 'rely only on one's muscle force', IFF 'no bets are placed on them'.
      So, clause 2.2 allows what? Masturbation?
      The really annoying fact about this law is that is designed as an amendment to a previous law distinguishing between 'technical' and 'gambling' games, just to narrow it's interpretation to the point that it effectively dissalows every electronic game, period.
      They could just ban gambling by disallowing "any game whose win/lose result causes a monetary transaction to take place", effectively banning gambling on it's root, rather than relying on totally unrelated game properties.
      The *intention* of the law maker was indeed to ban all games, just because they could not easily distinguish procedurally between 'technical games' and 'gambling' in the case of modified 'technical games'.

  111. The complete story behind the ban by karji · · Score: 1

    Near the beginning of 2002, the head of the parliamentary anti-gambling group (also member of the ruling labor party) was recorded by a journalist's hidden camera while he was playing electronic slot machines (illegal) in an arcade shop.

    When the journalist notified the man in private that he's been caught on the act, and the MP approached him to reach a compromise - he offered the journalist scandalous evidence about members of his own political party in exchange for hiding the evidence about him from the public. But the journalist (Triantafyllopoulos) showed both pieces of evidence (the video he took, as well as the documents he was given by the useless MP) on his increasingly interesting bi-weekly TV show.

    The ruling party expelled the MP Xrysanthakopoulos from its parliamentary group.

    Revelations continued however, from the same journalist. He visited the biggest importers and manufacturers of those illegal slot machines (which were being sold to ordinary arcade shops, not casinos where they are legal). He exposed the social effect it had on the youth of poor areas of Greece with high unemployment - it was not uncommon that people would loose tens of thousands of dollars getting addicted and playing on those machines. Many cases were exposed where a family would loose more than a hundred thousand dollars, for example sons who had sold the truck that their father had given them, or people who borrowed money from (surprise) the same people who manufactured and operated the biggest of those shops and then had to sell their house in order to pay their debt.

    What was particularly worrying to the ruling party (PASOK) was the fact that many of its members in parliament were implicated in one way or another in this illegal activity. How can it be that the police would not care about shutting down some very big arcade shops full of such machines? How is it that the only policeman who confiscated thousands of such machines and paid from his own pocket to have them transported in safe warehouses, was deported and had to work in a city far away from where his family lived? (He was restored to his old position only after the journlalist showed everything on TV) How was it that local politicians had rented their political campaign shops for almost free in real-estate that was owned by those same barons of illegal gambling and black un-taxed money?

    And most importantly why did the prime-minister not express shock at the revelations about the members of his own party? While all of the media, except for the channel where the journalist was working, were condemning the journalist's methods ('spycam' = 'big brother', even though he never intruded in private life matters as opposed to what other journlalists have been doing quite often), he kept defending himself from false accusations and continued looking at the illegal transfers of money from one person to the other, which more and more started looking like the drug trade in a 3rd world country (maybe even in 1st world? who knows...).

    This story was getting so embarassing for the ruling party that it decided to ban the arcade shops altogether to protect the image of the party. It probably knew that once you allow ordinary arcade games, the local politicians won't miss the chance they have to become protectors.

    So, now you know why the government doesn't care so much about entertainment per se. There are much bigger issues at stake... like people finding out how the system works. And that would be bad.

    As for why the law doesn't allow electronic games to be played in private places (like home), I think that is an unintended effect of the poorly-written law they drafted.

    [In another quite shocking case I remembered, a man called the police to have himself arrested while he was playing such illegal gambling games. He then brought the paper of his arrest as proof that the shop was operating illegal gambling machines, and asked for the shop to be closed down but... guess what, nothing happened.]

    1. Re:The complete story behind the ban by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In other words, democracy and clean government are alive and well in the EU ! I can't wait until American Soldiers overseas can be hauled up before an international tribunal in the EU -- we have nothing to worry about, right ? We can just pay you off in casino chips and lottery tickets ?

  112. Racist? by benedict · · Score: 1, Troll

    I think there's a racist subtext to all of this
    criticism of Prince's writing style. The mostly
    young, white Slashdot crew can't stand to be told
    what's what by a black man -- who has more to say
    than most of them and a bigger soapbox to say it
    from.

    I'm going to get modded into oblivion for this,
    I'm pretty sure. Sigh.

    --
    Ben "You have your mind on computers, it seems."
    1. Re:Racist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Modded to oblivion? Just for being a complete fool who is hit in the head with a cluestick and thinks it's an original thought? Nonsense. The man's writing style is beaten by a first grade girl living behind the lead factory in a house with a water well. It slows my reading speed from 120+ words per minute to about 45 words per minute. If you think that I should put up with that brainfsck absurdness just because the -AUTHOR- is incapable of -COMPETENT WRITING-, I'll hand you your brain on a teaspoon. I did read the middle school version of the article reposted here on Slashdot, and the message was not too bad. Boring and uninventive, slightly tinfoil-hattish, but nothing to make a mark on the world. If Prince could express himself in the written medium with any recognizable skill and could form a thesis with more precision, he'd be on to something.

  113. 534rch 4nd r3p1ac3 by Erpo · · Score: 1

    Ran it through a few filters. I think I got most of the crap out - at least it's readable now.

    Something happened on the way to the 21st century. Media and entertainment companies started "converging" and "shareholder value" became far more important than customer service and respect for company employees ever managed to be. Compensation packages for company executives hit the stratosphere you while holding them accountable for their company's results became nearly impossible.

    These executives are indeed very naïve if they think that people haven't noticed.

    People are noticing that something isn't quite right you that something is indeed very wrong. After a decade during which the stock market gained apparent respectability as a legitimate, sensible forum of investing, the recent slew of huge corporate scandals reveals that it is still what it has always been: a sick place where neurotic, puerile gamblers get their kicks off the backs of millions of "anonymous" workers and individuals, who have no control over what happens to their hard-earned retirement savings.

    Yet this is the place that most company executives feel is much more important to watch than the actual people for whom they produce their goods and services. This is the place where the fate of thousands of employees is decided every day by people staring at computer monitors showing ever-changing, meaningless lists of numbers and charts. And if you happen to personally hold shares in a company that has just announced that it is "restructuring" in order to improve its bottom-line and thus increase its "shareholder value", don't kid yourself: When the company is talking about "shareholders", it's not talking about you and your measly couple of thousands of shares. It's only talking about big shareholders you i.e. other companies that own a more significant share of its market value.

    This is a world where "hostile takeovers" and government-approved "mergers" are feeding a never-ending cycle of fewer and fewer executives wielding more and more power on a multinational scale. Soon enough, the "World Company" and George Orwell's 1984 will no longer be the stuff of satire or fiction you but prophetic descriptions of a very real "New World Order" gradually unfolding before are eyes.
    A Little History

    Let's start with a simple list: America Online, Time, Life, Warner Bros., Fortune, Elektra, Sports Illustrated, HBO, Turner Broadcasting, CNN, Cinemax, Entertainment Weekly, New Line Cinema, In Style, Warner/Chappell Music, Time Warner Cable, WBN, ICQ, Warner Music Group, Netscape, People, Reprise, Rhino, Atlantic, WEA, TNT, MapQuest, WinAmp, In Demand, Erato, Moviefone, Road Runner, etc. All owned by the same corporate giant (AOL Time Warner).

    And another one: Universal Music Group, Verve, Nathan, Canal+, Impulse!, Cegetel, USA Networks, Decca, Interscope, Geffen, A&M, Barclay, Armand Colin, L'Express, Universal Studios, Larousse, Sierra, MP3.com, MCA Records, Deutsche Grammophon, Cineplex, etc. All owned by the same corporate giant (Vivendi Universal).

    And yet another one: Disney, ABC, ESPN, Hyperion, Miramax, Touchstone, Hollywood Pictures, A&E, The History Channel, E! Entertainment, RTL-2, Buena Vista, Mr. Showbiz, Wall of Sound, Mammoth Records, etc. All owned by the same corporate giant (Walt Disney).

    Need we say more? See for yourself... There's already only 7 of these corporate giants in total you and how long will it be before there are even fewer?

    It all began innocently enough. Young entrepreneurs in the early to0th century started up new companies with a mix of creative ambition and business acumen. Then these companies grew bigger and bigger, and whatever entrepreneurial vision was present at their birth became more and more diluted and less and less relevant. Then corporate accountants suggested merging with or taking over other companies you and it all became an all-too-real game of Monopoly.

    Then the Internet and "new technologies" came about, and the accountants' next big idea was convergence you i.e. the merging of "content" providers and "access" providers in order to control everything from the inception of a "cultural product" to its ultimate consumption by the unsuspecting masses.
    The Art of Manipulation

    It is easy to guess what got lost along the way... Creativity. Artistry. Independence. Critical objectivity. Uncontrolled access. The ability to "break thru" cultural barriers. Cultural diversity. Innovation. Freedom. Real music. Real art.

    Juggling between art and commerce is a delicate balance at the best of times... and these are definitely NOT the best of times.

    So now we have a so-called magazine "reporting" on the latest new blockbuster movie with a 10-page, full-color spread you as if the reporters weren't aware that the same company that produced the movie also owns their magazine... Yes, this is still called a "magazine". These are still called "reporters". And this is still called "journalism"... And yet millions of people are gleefully letting themselves be had.

    Maybe we should stop calling this "art", or even "entertainment" for that matter you for what is so entertaining about being involved in a collective hallucination? Maybe we should start calling it what it really is, i.e. unfettered MANIPULATION.

    In 1995, Clear Channel Communications owned 43 radio stations. Now it owns more than 1,200 you and its army of so-called "independent promoters" are letting legalized payola dictate what you get (or rather don't get) to hear on the radio.

    Everywhere you look, the story is the same: more and more money, less and less choice, less and less freedom of access, fewer and fewer companies. How far will this have to go before a big shift in people's attitude causes this commercial hubris to collapse onto itself and implode?
    Power Struggles

    The first major cracks in this highly concentrated corporate world have, of course, already begun to appear, in what has been making the headlines in the past few months, i.e. shady accounting practices involving enormous amounts of money you enough to shake the economy of the most powerful nation of the world. And the hysterical stock markets have of course been swayed by this news, at the expense of tens of thousands of workers worldwide and millions of small investors who thought that their holdings had nowhere to go but up.

    The value of AOL Time Warner's stock is now a quarter of what it was at the time of the merger between AOL and Time Warner, and this decline 4ced the company to take a $54 billion writedown earlier this year. And now it to is being investigated about its accounting practices. The story at Vivendi Universal is similar. Disney shares are near an 8-year low. And there is little doubt in people's mind that the problems are similar everywhere, in every big conglomerate that has become utterly out of touch with the reality of everyday work and the essence of human creativity.

    In addition, people also realize all to well that governments have little you if any you power left when it comes to regulating these multinational monsters. Governments have much more power when it comes to regulating the lives of ordinary, law-abiding citizens you and they use and abuse this power as a way to distract people's attention from how much control the conglomerates have over what we get to hear, watch, read, eat, drink, buy, and generally experience as "free" citizens of the world.

    One of the areas where this struggle is most acutely felt is, of course, the online world you a sprawling, anarchic community that is still in its infancy and whose exponential development in the last decade took everyone by surprise. And nothing exemplifies the struggle between government, big business, and individual rights better than the highly controversial issue of "peer-2-peer" file sharing and its many digital variations.
    A Nation of Thieves?

    Will the media/technology giants recover from the latest stock market slump? They probably will you but at what cost? In all likelihood, the cost will be more "restructuring", more layoffs, more executive shuffles and golden parachutes, causing even further alienation from their own employees and customers. And this, in turn, will further encourage the very behaviors that they claim are illegal and want punished by criminal law you all the while preserving their own impunity as they continue to carelessly flounder a capital that they do not own.

    Napster may have gone bankrupt and become a closed chapter in the Internet's short history, but its death is by no means a reflection of a decline in peer-2-peer (P2P) file sharing, quite the contrary. If anything, P2P has grown even further you but since it's becoming totally decentralized, there is no easy way to measure its significance.

    What is for sure, however, is that, in spite of its many claims to the contrary, the recording industry has yet to provide evidence that P2P is actually detrimental to music making as an artistic endeavor, and even as a commercial venture. It is worth remembering, for example, that sales of music CDs actually increased when Napster was at its peak, and declined after Napster was abruptly shut down. Even economists who thought that file sharing "should b" hurting the recording industry are now expressing their doubts, based on what they say is simply not happening.

    More importantly, many well-respected artists have sided with Internet users against corporate greed and actually use the Internet to promote alternative ways to distribute their music and reach out to a non-captive, legitimate audience of authentic music lovers.

    This does not mean, of course, that all forums of file sharing are equally innocuous. There is little doubt that, when people use the Internet as a substitute for radio, i.e. as a way to discover new music, it can help promote the work of artists. But when a young junior high school student downloads tracks off the Internet and makes CD-R copies of them that he then sells for $5 in the schoolyard, it hurts sales of the original CD and it's disrespectful of the artist you regardless of how small a cut of the actual CD price the artist actually gets after all the executives and the middlemen in the recording industry have taken their piece of the pie.

    Still, can we really go as far as to say that digital technology is creating a "nation of thieves" who no longer recognize the just value of art?
    Protecting the Product

    It is worth noting, to begin with, that the recording industry itself is far from having distinguished itself by recognizing the true value of art. Instead, it has consistently fought to be allowed to deprive many artists of their most fundamental rights. It has allowed popular artists to go bankrupt even though their albums were selling by the millions. It has reduced the artists' cut of the album sales pie to a ridiculously small portion of the actual income generated by these sales. It has consistently pushed commercial musical products at the expense of real musical artistry.

    This hardly entitles the recording industry to lecture anyone about recognizing the just value of art.

    It is also interesting to note that the cultural products that seem to be the primary concern of the industry giants are those that are already the most popular ones, and that things such as CD copy protection are being experimentally used mostly with items that will sell millions regardless of whether they are copy-protected or not.

    So are most citizens really being completely disrespectful of the value of art and the need to provide appropriate compensation to the artists for their works? We've said it before and we'll say it again: the rise of digital technology and peer-2-peer file sharing has little to do with people's intrinsic respect for art and artists, and everything to do with the cynical attitude of big industry conglomerates, which have consistently pushed for more and more commercial, highly profitable products at the expense of authentic art and respect for artists.

    If people do not feel enough guilt to prevent them from making digital copies of the latest episode of a popular TV show or hit pop song, it is precisely because the industry giants have succeeded in making these works purely commercial products, with little or no consideration for their actual artistic value. It is precisely because these companies have been consistently promoting commercial products at the expense of artistic works.

    The fact that actual works of art still manage to seep thru the cracks of this huge profit-driven industry does not change anything about the fundamental equations that have been driving and still drive the industry, today more than ever you i.e. that art = money, artists = money-makers, and art lovers = consumers.

    As a simple example of how little music is valued as an art forum by the industry, it is estimated that only about 20 percent of music ever recorded is currently available you and, of this 20 percent, what proportion is actually readily available to music lovers? What proportion is not the current 100 top albums on the SoundScan charts?

    It simply appears that the instinctive reaction of the lover of art (b it music, TV shows, movies, or other forums of art) is such that, if the industry has no respect for his or her identity as an appreciator of art, then he or she has no reason to have any respect for the industry as a purveyor of art. By making digital copies of so-called cultural products, many people are not demonstrating their lack of respect for art and for artists, but are expressing you consciously or not you their frustration with the way the entertainment industry profits from art at the expense of both art makers and art lovers.

    The consumers of the commercial products of the entertainment industry are only as cynical as the industry has deliberately made them, by dumbing down their products, by exploiting artists, by making profit-driven choices and decisions, and by providing their own kind with obscene compensations and legal impunity that are completely out of touch with the real world of ordinary people.
    Don't Get It Twisted

    That being said, the whole debate about file sharing and digital piracy is, most of all, a convenient way for industry conglomerates to deflect attention from their own shady business practices and dubious alliances.

    For example, it is worth noting that the Warner Music Group is heavily involved in the recording industry's fight against piracy, but that its own parent company, AOL Time Warner, is directly benefiting from file sharing, as a provider of Internet access to millions of Internet users worldwide. When AOL Time Warner repeatedly flaunts its ever-increasing number of members (34 million and counting) and the billions of hours that they spend online, is there any doubt that a good part of this growth involves the "unlawful" exchange of computer files at the detriment of recording artists?

    In other words, the real "thieves" are not necessarily those that are currently getting the blame... Rather than a "nation of thieves", the current situation looks, to us, much more like an "elite of thieves".

    And the real victims of this thievery are very much, as usual, the recording artists themselves, who will never get their share of AOL's profits as an Internet access provider, even though these profits are partly based on the content that they originally provided. And the real victims also include authentic music lovers, who already suffer from restricted access to the full range of music that they would like to explore, and who are also likely to suffer from technological restrictions that will soon prevent them from making legitimate copies of the works that they have lawfully purchased for their own enjoyment.

    Make no mistake: the entertainment industry (including TV, movies and music) might be big, but the technology industry is even bigger. Remember that it is AOL that bought Time Warner, and not the other way around. Remember that Sony makes much more money in electronics and computer equipment than it does in record sales...

    If the technology industry ends up implementing technological limitations that prevent users from lawfully enjoying their purchases you as it is threatening to do you the beneficiaries will not be the artists whose works are thus being allegedly "protected". And it will certainly not be the art lovers whose enjoyment of art will thus be restricted. No, it will simply b, once again... the industry conglomerates, who will have yet another generation of incompatible media and devices to sell to us under the guise of "technological improvement".
    Conclusion

    The technology and entertainment industries are simply to big for us to expect any overnight changes. The industry giants will continue to do their best to deflect people's attention away from their own wrongdoings and to blame falling profits and commercial failures on piracy at the same time that they are encouraging their customers to adopt the very technologies that make piracy possible. Artists will continue to be lured by unrealistic promises and contracts with big numbers and lots of small print.

    How long, however, before a critical mass of established artists realize that it is in their best interests, both artistically and commercially, to leave the system for good? How long before a critical mass of young aspiring artists become aware of the enslaving aspects of the system and are careful not to get involved in it without a maximum of precautions? And how long before a critical mass of art lovers get together to provide these artists with a real, valuable, legitimate, truthfully enthusiastic alternative audience that completes the process of rendering the existing system artistically irrelevant?

    It all depends on us you and it all depends on you.

  114. Translation into Real English by mblase · · Score: 2

    Not only does Prince feel like he has 2 write every sentence in primitive 133t-speak, he does it using Microsoft Word as well. Oy.

    It's not exactly great journalism to begin with, but here's a courtesy translation for people who know how to spell:

    ======================

    Something happened on the way to the 21st century. Media and entertainment companies started "converging" and "shareholder value" became far more important than customer service and respect for company employees ever managed to be. Compensation packages for company executives hit the stratosphere--while holding them accountable for their company's results became nearly impossible.

    These executives are indeed very naïve if they think that people haven't noticed.

    People are noticing that something isn't quite right--that something is indeed very wrong. After a decade during which the stock market gained apparent respectability as a legitimate, sensible form of investing, the recent slew of huge corporate scandals reveals that it is still what it has always been: a sick place where neurotic, puerile gamblers get their kicks off the backs of millions of "anonymous" workers and individuals, who have no control over what happens to their hard-earned retirement savings.

    Yet this is the place that most company executives feel is much more important to watch than the actual people for whom they produce their goods and services. This is the place where the fate of thousands of employees is decided every day by people staring at computer monitors showing ever-changing, meaningless lists of numbers and charts. And if you happen to personally hold shares in a company that has just announced that it is "restructuring" in order to improve its bottom-line and thus increase its "shareholder value", don't kid yourself: When the company is talking about "shareholders", it's not talking about you and your measly couple of thousands of shares. It's only talking about big shareholders--i.e. other companies that own a more significant share of its market value.

    This is a world where "hostile takeovers" and government-approved "mergers" are feeding a never-ending cycle of fewer and fewer executives wielding more and more power on a multinational scale. Soon enough, the "World Company" and George Orwell's 1984 will no longer be the stuff of satire or fiction--but prophetic descriptions of a very real "New World Order" gradually unfolding before are eyes.

    A Little History

    Let's start with a simple list: America Online, Time, Life, Warner Bros., Fortune, Elektra, Sports Illustrated, HBO, Turner Broadcasting, CNN, Cinemax, Entertainment Weekly, New Line Cinema, In Style, Warner/Chappell Music, Time Warner Cable, WBN, ICQ, Warner Music Group, Netscape, People, Reprise, Rhino, Atlantic, WEA, TNT, MapQuest, WinAmp, In Demand, Erato, Moviefone, Road Runner, etc. All owned by the same corporate giant (AOL Time Warner).

    And another one: Universal Music Group, Verve, Nathan, Canal+, Impulse!, Cegetel, USA Networks, Decca, Interscope, Geffen, A&M, Barclay, Armand Colin, L'Express, Universal Studios, Larousse, Sierra, MP3.com, MCA Records, Deutsche Grammophon, Cineplex, etc. All owned by the same corporate giant (Vivendi Universal).

    And yet another one: Disney, ABC, ESPN, Hyperion, Miramax, Touchstone, Hollywood Pictures, A&E, The History Channel, E! Entertainment, RTL-to, Buena Vista, Mr. Showbiz, Wall of Sound, Mammoth Records, etc. All owned by the same corporate giant (Walt Disney).

    Need we say more? See for yourself... There's already only 7 of these corporate giants in total--and how long will it be before there are even fewer?

    It all began innocently enough. Young entrepreneurs in the early 20th century started up new companies with a mix of creative ambition and business acumen. Then these companies grew bigger and bigger, and whatever entrepreneurial vision was present at their birth became more and more diluted and less and less relevant. Then corporate accountants suggested merging with or taking over other companies--and it all became an all-too-real game of Monopoly.

    Then the Internet and "new technologies" came about, and the accountants' next big idea was convergence--i.e. the merging of "content" providers and "access" providers in order to control everything from the inception of a "cultural product" to its ultimate consumption by the unsuspecting masses.

    The Art of Manipulation

    It is easy to guess what got lost along the way... Creativity. Artistry. Independence. Critical objectivity. Uncontrolled access. The ability to "break through" cultural barriers. Cultural diversity. Innovation. Freedom. Real music. Real art.

    Juggling between art and commerce is a delicate balance at the best of times... and these are definitely NOT the best of times.

    So now we have a so-called magazine "reporting" on the latest new blockbuster movie with a 10-page, full-color spread--as if the reporters weren't aware that the same company that produced the movie also owns their magazine... Yes, this is still called a "magazine". These are still called "reporters". And this is still called "journalism"... And yet millions of people are gleefully letting themselves be had.

    Maybe we should stop calling this "art", or even "entertainment" for that matter--for what is so entertaining about being involved in a collective hallucination? Maybe we should start calling it what it really is, i.e. unfettered MANIPULATION.

    In 1995, Clear Channel Communications owned 43 radio stations. Now it owns more than 1,200--and its army of so-called "independent promoters" are letting legalized payola dictate what you get (or rather don't get) to hear on the radio.

    Everywhere you look, the story is the same: more and more money, less and less choice, less and less freedom of access, fewer and fewer companies. How far will this have to go before a big shift in people's attitude causes this commercial hubris to collapse onto itself and implode?

    Power Struggles

    The first major cracks in this highly concentrated corporate world have, of course, already begun to appear, in what has been making the headlines in the past few months, i.e. shady accounting practices involving enormous amounts of money--enough to shake the economy of the most powerful nation of the world. And the hysterical stock markets have of course been swayed by this news, at the expense of tens of thousands of workers worldwide and millions of small investors who thought that their holdings had nowhere to go but up.

    The value of AOL Time Warner's stock is now a quarter of what it was at the time of the merger between AOL and Time Warner, and this decline forced the company to take a $54 billion writedown earlier this year. And now it to is being investigated about its accounting practices. The story at Vivendi Universal is similar. Disney shares are near an 8-year low. And there is little doubt in people's mind that the problems are similar everywhere, in every big conglomerate that has become utterly out of touch with the reality of everyday work and the essence of human creativity.

    In addition, people also realize all to well that governments have little--if any--power left when it comes to regulating these multinational monsters. Governments have much more power when it comes to regulating the lives of ordinary, law-abiding citizens--and they use and abuse this power as a way to distract people's attention from how much control the conglomerates have over what we get to hear, watch, read, eat, drink, buy, and generally experience as "free" citizens of the world.

    One of the areas where this struggle is most acutely felt is, of course, the online world--a sprawling, anarchic community that is still in its infancy and whose exponential development in the last decade took everyone by surprise. And nothing exemplifies the struggle between government, big business, and individual rights better than the highly controversial issue of "peer-to-peer" file sharing and its many digital variations.

    A Nation of Thieves?

    Will the media/technology giants recover from the latest stock market slump? They probably will--but at what cost? In all likelihood, the cost will be more "restructuring", more layoffs, more executive shuffles and golden parachutes, causing even further alienation from their own employees and customers. And this, in turn, will further encourage the very behaviors that they claim are illegal and want punished by criminal law--all the while preserving their own impunity as they continue to carelessly flounder a capital that they do not own.

    Napster may have gone bankrupt and become a closed chapter in the Internet's short history, but its death is by no means a reflection of a decline in peer-to-peer (P2P) file sharing, quite the contrary. If anything, P2P has grown even further--but since it's becoming totally decentralized, there is no easy way to measure its significance.

    What is for sure, however, is that, in spite of its many claims to the contrary, the recording industry has yet to provide evidence that P2P is actually detrimental to music making as an artistic endeavor, and even as a commercial venture. It is worth remembering, for example, that sales of music CDs actually increased when Napster was at its peak, and declined after Napster was abruptly shut down. Even economists who thought that file sharing "should be" hurting the recording industry are now expressing their doubts, based on what they say is simply not happening.

    More importantly, many well-respected artists have sided with Internet users against corporate greed and actually use the Internet to promote alternative ways to distribute their music and reach out to a non-captive, legitimate audience of authentic music lovers.

    This does not mean, of course, that all forms of file sharing are equally innocuous. There is little doubt that, when people use the Internet as a substitute for radio, i.e. as a way to discover new music, it can help promote the work of artists. But when a young junior high school student downloads tracks off the Internet and makes CD-R copies of them that he then sells for $5 in the schoolyard, it hurts sales of the original CD and it's disrespectful of the artist--regardless of how small a cut of the actual CD price the artist actually gets after all the executives and the middlemen in the recording industry have taken their piece of the pie.

    Still, can we really go as far as to say that digital technology is creating a "nation of thieves" who no longer recognize the just value of art?

    Protecting the Product

    It is worth noting, to begin with, that the recording industry itself is far from having distinguished itself by recognizing the true value of art. Instead, it has consistently fought to be allowed to deprive many artists of their most fundamental rights. It has allowed popular artists to go bankrupt even though their albums were selling by the millions. It has reduced the artists' cut of the album sales pie to a ridiculously small portion of the actual income generated by these sales. It has consistently pushed commercial musical products at the expense of real musical artistry.

    This hardly entitles the recording industry to lecture anyone about recognizing the just value of art.

    It is also interesting to note that the cultural products that seem to be the primary concern of the industry giants are those that are already the most popular ones, and that things such as CD copy protection are being experimentally used mostly with items that will sell millions regardless of whether they are copy-protected or not.

    So are most citizens really being completely disrespectful of the value of art and the need to provide appropriate compensation to the artists for their works? We've said it before and we'll say it again: the rise of digital technology and peer-to-peer file sharing has little to do with people's intrinsic respect for art and artists, and everything to do with the cynical attitude of big industry conglomerates, which have consistently pushed for more and more commercial, highly profitable products at the expense of authentic art and respect for artists.

    If people do not feel enough guilt to prevent them from making digital copies of the latest episode of a popular TV show or hit pop song, it is precisely because the industry giants have succeeded in making these works purely commercial products, with little or no consideration for their actual artistic value. It is precisely because these companies have been consistently promoting commercial products at the expense of artistic works.

    The fact that actual works of art still manage to seep thru the cracks of this huge profit-driven industry does not change anything about the fundamental equations that have been driving and still drive the industry, today more than ever--i.e. that art = money, artists = money-makers, and art lovers = consumers.

    As a simple example of how little music is valued as an art form by the industry, it is estimated that only about 20 percent of music ever recorded is currently available--and, of this 20 percent, what proportion is actually readily available to music lovers? What proportion is not the current 100 top albums on the SoundScan charts?

    It simply appears that the instinctive reaction of the lover of art (be it music, TV shows, movies, or other forms of art) is such that, if the industry has no respect for his or her identity as an appreciator of art, then he or she has no reason to have any respect for the industry as a purveyor of art. By making digital copies of so-called cultural products, many people are not demonstrating their lack of respect for art and for artists, but are expressing--consciously or not--their frustration with the way the entertainment industry profits from art at the expense of both art makers and art lovers.

    The consumers of the commercial products of the entertainment industry are only as cynical as the industry has deliberately made them, by dumbing down their products, by exploiting artists, by making profit-driven choices and decisions, and by providing their own kind with obscene compensations and legal impunity that are completely out of touch with the real world of ordinary people.

    Don't Get It Twisted

    That being said, the whole debate about file sharing and digital piracy is, most of all, a convenient way for industry conglomerates to deflect attention from their own shady business practices and dubious alliances.

    for example, it is worth noting that the Warner Music Group is heavily involved in the recording industry's fight against piracy, but that its own parent company, AOL Time Warner, is directly benefiting from file sharing, as a provider of Internet access to millions of Internet users worldwide. When AOL Time Warner repeatedly flaunts its ever-increasing number of members (34 million and counting) and the billions of hours that they spend online, is there any doubt that a good part of this growth involves the "unlawful" exchange of computer files at the detriment of recording artists?

    In other words, the real "thieves" are not necessarily those that are currently getting the blame... Rather than a "nation of thieves", the current situation looks, to us, much more like an "elite of thieves".

    And the real victims of this thievery are very much, as usual, the recording artists themselves, who will never get their share of AOL's profits as an Internet access provider, even though these profits are partly based on the content that they originally provided. And the real victims also include authentic music lovers, who already suffer from restricted access to the full range of music that they would like to explore, and who are also likely to suffer from technological restrictions that will soon prevent them from making legitimate copies of the works that they have lawfully purchased for their own enjoyment.

    Make no mistake: the entertainment industry (including TV, movies and music) might be big, but the technology industry is even bigger. Remember that it is AOL that bought Time Warner, and not the other way around. Remember that Sony makes much more money in electronics and computer equipment than it does in record sales...

    If the technology industry ends up implementing technological limitations that prevent users from lawfully enjoying their purchases--as it is threatening to do--the beneficiaries will not be the artists whose works are thus being allegedly "protected". And it will certainly not be the art lovers whose enjoyment of art will thus be restricted. No, it will simply be, once again... the industry conglomerates, who will have yet another generation of incompatible media and devices to sell to us under the guise of "technological improvement".

    Conclusion

    The technology and entertainment industries are simply to big for us to expect any overnight changes. The industry giants will continue to do their best to deflect people's attention away from their own wrongdoings and to blame falling profits and commercial failures on piracy at the same time that they are encouraging their customers to adopt the very technologies that make piracy possible. Artists will continue to be lured by unrealistic promises and contracts with big numbers and lots of small print.

    How long, however, before a critical mass of established artists realize that it is in their best interests, both artistically and commercially, to leave the system for good? How long before a critical mass of young aspiring artists become aware of the enslaving aspects of the system and are careful not to get involved in it without a maximum of precautions? And how long before a critical mass of art lovers get together to provide these artists with a real, valuable, legitimate, truthfully enthusiastic alternative audience that completes the process of rendering the existing system artistically irrelevant?

    It all depends on us--and it all depends on you.

  115. Say it aint so!!!! by pos · · Score: 2

    *Gasp*

    Are you suggesting.....

    No it can't be.....

    Prince invented 1337speak?!?!?!?!?!?!

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    1. Re:Say it aint so!!!! by jelle · · Score: 2

      He never used 1337, but he has very often used '4' as in 'b4', and '2' and 'U' as in '2U', etc...

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  116. The substitute cargo... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To replace the pop-star, Russia will be sending a special shipment donated by spear fishermen: one crate of lanced bass in freeze-dried packages suitable for zero-G consumption.

  117. So we can talk about the RIAA... by CarrionBird · · Score: 1

    But we just can't discuss the recent hacking if thier site. (while we discuss just about any other type of intrusion)

    Something's fishy on Slashdot.

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  118. As long as it's only war crimes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As long as it's only the usual abuse of prisoners and killing of non-combatents, no problem ! Especially if they're dark skinned gypsy or turkish looking.

    But if you are hauled up for playing a gameboy, yankee, you'd better expect some hard time. Here in Europe we know what disregard of morality and laws leads to, we learned that lesson in the 30's and 40's. You Americans have always had it so good and just don't understand, besides we're the cradle of civilization so we've been respecting our own laws for thousands of years. So leave that PS2 at home, yankee soldier.

  119. Re:my quarts timepiece is full of granualted shuga by Wee · · Score: 2
    Are you actually saying that the phraseology of 'b4' is more complicated to you than a 'mostly valid' rule of placing the letters i and e in a word, or adding letters that dont even exist in the word as it is spoken? 'rendezvous. only 4 letters out of 26 are not used as silent letters in various words

    What I'm saying is that the goal of communication is served by commonalities: two entities need to establish something between them which allows information to pass. Humans have languages, be it French or Swahili. That those two don't share anything in common is irrelevant. Saying that one is "more complicated" than another is equally irrelevant. Neither is in line with each language's separate purpose, and neither must be considered when assessing a language's effectiveness.

    For example, if I try to speak to an African, the closer I can come to matching his grasp of Swahili, the more effectively I can communicate with him. If I insisted that French is simpler, easier, more economical, whatever than Swahili and that I should use it to speak with that African, then I may be right but I'm probably not communicating. If I take a less drastic route and decide to invent contractions and reduce redundancies in his language ("The Bushmen don't need 9 phrases for hunting any more than the Inuit need 13 words for snow! I'll just use the simplest one...") then I hamper my ability to communicate with him. Complexity of a language is completely orthogonal to its effectiveness.

    Imagine you're attempting to write a college entrance essay. Why not get rid of all silent or redundant words in your essay? It'd be less typing, and much simpler writing, right?. But would it be communicating? Not really. The board would have to decipher your essay. That wouldn't help your cause. Now imagine you're a record company executive reading Prince's essays. Did Prince make it easy for you to understand what he was trying to say? No. You probably couldn't get past the babytalk-like contractions. It's probably hard for you get at his meaning because your mind is being constantly assualted by his new and clever use of English.

    My point remains: No matter what else Prince is or how much you may like his music, Prince's writing looks and reads like something written by a semi-literate child and not only does nothing to further his aims, it serves to actively hinder them. He would do better to simply use the same language as everyone else, even if it is more complicated.

    Sure why not, at one point the earth was flat because the king and queen told you so in order to control your movements...I suppose this could be seen as true to those same kinds of personalities...enjoy

    I don't know what you're trying to say. What I'm saying is: If you wanna fight City Hall, you'd better put on a suit.

    -B

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  120. Re:Prince's grammar matches slashdot's by pgroebner · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    As an unrepentant compulsive reader, I am often annoyed by misspells. First, it slows my reading down because I need to "evaluate" the word. Second, depending on the word, it might indicate that the write doesn't read very much otherwise they'd know how to use the word in the correct context.

  121. Bayesian implementation for procmail in C by Dave+Fiddes · · Score: 1

    Eric Raymond is running a project to create a bayesian spam filter written in C. I've been experimenting with it today and it looks pretty good. It's written as a client-server daemon that makes it *very* quick compared with a perl or other scripted approach. It's also pretty easy to integrate into any unix mail system.

    Find out about it http://tuxedo.org/~esr/bogofilter/

    The program, bogofilter, is stores its word lists using HP Judy dynamic arrays. Pretty interesting way of storing stuff and new to me anyway: http://sf.net/projects/judy

  122. lose readers by phriedom · · Score: 1

    "...or at least recognize that doing so will lose him some readers."

    Perhaps he does recognize that some people will be turned off by his shorthand. That seems likely doesn't it, that he is willfully flouting conformity. Does that make it okay with you?

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    1. Re:lose readers by achurch · · Score: 2

      Perhaps he does recognize that some people will be turned off by his shorthand. That seems likely doesn't it, that he is willfully flouting conformity. Does that make it okay with you?

      Certainly, as long as he realizes what he's doing.

  123. Your Excellency: Where's Google? by Jamyang · · Score: 1
    September 4, 2002

    Committee to Protect Journalists
    330 Seventh Avenue, 12th floor
    New York, NY 10001

    His Excellency Jiang Zemin
    President, People's Republic of China
    C/o Embassy of the People's Republic of China
    2300 Connecticut Ave., NW
    Washington, D.C. 20008

    Via facsimile: (202) 588-0032

    Your Excellency:

    The Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ) is very concerned by the Chinese government's apparent blocking of domestic access to the Google Internet search engine. Such censorship directly affects China-based journalists' ability to conduct research and impedes citizens' access to news that is unavailable in China's tightly controlled domestic media.

    On August 31, both the English and Chinese-language search engines operated by Google became inaccessible to Internet users in China. In a public statement, a spokesperson for Google confirmed that the site was blocked inside China and said that the government offered no explanation. . .facsimile

    Harvard: Where's Wan Yahihai?

  124. if everyone was like me by wadiwood · · Score: 1

    Hi Alsee

    I have no idea why you think it is me that is gambling online. I'm just talking about the trouble I have avoiding the sites.

    If everyone was like me, there would be no MacDonalds, no soap opera, Seinfeld would not be famous, neither would the cast of Friends. Sport on TV would be equal men and women, and there would be no golf ever. There'd be no gambling with money either.

    Not because I think there shouldn't be these things but because I'm not the least bit interested in these things, so they'd make no money out of it. The only gambling would be on the stock market. And the slashdot team would have their own chat show on (free to air) tv every night. fairly late night cos I don't get home early.

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    -- it must be true, it's on the internet.
  125. Email filter text misleading by T.E.D. · · Score: 3, Informative
    A real implementation of this has been released (currently beta) here that acts as a POP3 proxy and works with any mail client.


    I found several things I wasn't expecting when I looked into this.

    First off, the link provided is not to its (PopFile's) homepage, or a page that indirectly refers to PopFile's homepate, or even to the latest version of the software! I had to do a google search to find the real homepage

    Secondly, the program is not Free Software, or even OpenSource. No source distribution is available, and the readme on it clearly states his intention to charge for access to executables once it makes it out of beta. The charge is quite nominal, but there are oodles of other proprietary email filters out there, so I don't see why this one is special enough to rate a Slashdot plug.

    Thirdly, there's no evidence I can find that this uses Perl, as stated. There's no .pl file in the distribution. It comes with some exe's and the cygwin dll (which probably makes any license other than GPL a license violation on his part, as you have to pay Cygnus to get a non-GPL license to cygwin). This probably doesn't mean it can't have Perl sources, but I saw no textual mention of Perl either, so I really don't know where Perl came into this.

    Fourthly, there's similarly no proof I can find that Popfile uses any kind of advanced statistical modelling. That would be a strong suspicion, considering its user interface. But the sources aren't available, and the author makes absolutely no mention of his methods. I'm guessing this was purposely done to lessen the odds of someone making a free (or non-free) workalike. This would be OK if he at least had some kind of statisical study of its effectiveness, but there is none of that either. If you want to have any clue as to how well it will work, your only recourse is to download it and try it out for a while.

    Personally, I think folks should be very leery about downloading and installing a closed-source program written by some random guy they don't know. There's no reason to believe that this guy isn't acutally collecting email addresses himself using the software. It unlikely, but possible.

  126. The way of china government blocking googles. by bash99 · · Score: 1

    It's sure and we can check it easy, it's a adative transparent proxy way. And it can also block other site by mistake.
    I just type this on my linux box.

    # ab -v 4 www.whitehouse.org/; ab -n 1 www.whitehouse.org/search?q=cache; ab -v 4 www.whitehouse.org/

    The first ab return a success request, but with a "search?q=cache" in url, ab say
    "Document Length: 0 bytes",
    and then the third ab as return 0 bytes, and www.whitehouse.org will be inaccessible for about two minutes.
    BTW, using "www.whitehouse.org" as example because I think it won't hurt anyone, :-).

    I'm thinking about how to use this to do something against china government filter. Perhaps find someway to make their filter box overloading then down? Or announce this in internet, and ask everyone visit someurl to overload their filter? Or ask people use this to block enough business site to bring some pressure to chinese government?
    Any approach in above may make people can't visit foreign site, does I have the every right do this?
    Any ideas?

  127. Internet Explorer? by GutterBunny · · Score: 2

    For someone (Prince) who is speaking out against "big corporate", it'd be nice if his website didn't recommend the use of Internet Explorer.

    Although I still liked what he had to say.

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  128. Grow up already. by Otto · · Score: 2

    The fact that u wasted your time on this just to whore some karma, is quite pathetic. The fact that it worked is even more pathetic. But then again this is Slashdot.

    I wouldn't call it a waste of time, nor would I call it "karma whoring". I'd call it "being nice and helpful to the community".

    For one thing, I didn't actually do it for posting on /., I did it because I wanted to read the article without having to translate manually.

    So I did the obvious thing: cut, paste, search and replace 2=to, b=be, etc, etc. Took about 60 seconds total. Only after I had read the piece (which is quite good and does have some interesting points, albeit a naive outlook about some items, IMO) did I read the comments on /. and see a couple translation requests. Fast cut and paste later and there it is.

    2nd point: Karma is worthless. You are limited to 50 anyway, and perhaps back when I started reading /. 5 years ago it might have mattered somewhat. Once my karma was at 280 something. Who frickin' cares about karma? You get an extra point on posts. So what?

    The point of the post was to help some people read the material. It's called being nice. Just because you can't post anything useful or indeed worth reading to save your life (I know, I went through your posts and had a look see) doesn't make everyone else a karma whore.

    Nobody but you and the other loser/trolls care about karma. It's worthless. All it does is give the rest us a reasonably good method to filter you out, and you can't deal with being ignored. Well, get something worth saying and then, perhaps, people might pay attention. Grow up already.

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  129. Greek gaming... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    I live in Greece and I just heard about this
    law from Slashdot (talk about hearing the news).
    Far more important news, such as the eradication
    of the oldest and last terrorist group in Greece,
    the 17th of November, practically monopolize
    media time here.

    Anyway, this law is clearly absurd, but it
    won't be implemented in everyday practice. It
    seems they had to make it "tight" enough so
    that is will be easier to prosecute "unofficial"
    gambling (=no taxes) in arcades.

    As a matter of fact games are STILL
    being sold (publicly), people are STILL playing
    games and we do get to organize lan parties.
    People saying that mobile phones are illegal
    because they have games or that windows
    should be installed without solitaire really
    don't have a clue...

    I do believe that the law must be changed to
    reflect the real intent of the lawmakers (which,
    I repeat, is to stop unofficial gaming/gambling)
    but I DO NOT fear that I will have to stop
    playing Counter Strike with my friends.

    Petros

    P.S. Also note, that besides the Greek Constitu-
    tion (which is quite good, in my opinion) there
    is the European legislation that supercedes
    local law. Enforcing "intrusive" laws is really
    difficult here. MUCH harder than in the US
    I'd say.

  130. Google: who, exactly, are you negotiating with? by Jamyang · · Score: 1
    China criticised for ban on Google

    "The authorities were already in the habit of using surveillance, censorship or the outright elimination of overly critical websites," said RSF Secretary-General Robert Menard in a letter to the Chinese authorities. "But the blocking of a search engine sets a surprising and very worrying precedent."

  131. Whoose hand is on the Switch? by Jamyang · · Score: 1
    Oliver Burkeman writes in Thursday's Guardian:

    what was a search engine doing conducting international diplomacy in the first place?

    And how, exactly, did a Californian firm founded by a couple of Stanford university dropouts, using old doors for office furniture, wind up striking panic into the core of an authoritarian world power?

    Engine trouble ;-)

  132. Who made the Switch? by Jamyang · · Score: 1

    Shanghai: Cisco sells routers, switches to China Telecom - while China Mobile Picks Nortel