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Ogg Vorbis For Hardware Makers
SerpicoWasTaken writes "CNET has a story announcing the release of Tremor. It's an Ogg Vorbis (Vogg Gorbis, Vogg Orbus, or Ogg [unintelligable] as pronounced by the various managers in my office) decoder that does not require a floating point unit and could herald the rise of Ogg Vorbis compatible MP3 players." Update: 09/04 21:00 GMT by T : Sorry -- this story's a dupe.
Well, we saw this story yesterday,
here
Tim must've been talking on his cell phone while posting this duplicate article.
repeat.
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"could herald the rise of Ogg Vorbis compatible MP3 players."
Wouldn't that make them Ogg Vorbis players?
could at least just put it in a slashback.
Oh this isn't Fark.com? I'll get my coat.
Objects in the blog are closer then they ap
There isn't much more to say about that. Timothy sucks. Boo!
The middle mind speaks!
I've submitted that story... I can't imagine that others haven't. Maybe they think it's a joke?
MSNBC article
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This comment is a duplicate of another one in this thread. Why don't you posters read the other posts before hitting "submit"? ... While you're answering that question, I'll go get a soft drink. Ahh -- diet doctor pepper. Who would have thought they could improve on the original? But they did!
Check yesterday discussion
When you get right down to it, MP3 is now a recognized and (mostly) accepted medium. Despite the fact that Ogg is a superior format, and open source to boot, I think it's going to be an uphill battle. Manufacturers aren't going to rush to develop for it, because there's always a fear of doing something new and innovative in a realm where there's already a clear and established niche. And people aren't going to want to get a portable Ogg player, because it's not what they're used to ("Ogg? What's that? A new virus?"). Not to mention ripping all their CDs AGAIN. And that's even assuming they owned them in the first place. If not (most likely), they'll be encoding from lossy to lossy. Most people I know aren't audiophiles, and only get 128, maybe 160 if it's available, so sound quality from a 128 MP3 to even a decent quality Ogg will be bad. It's a wicked circle, and it's a damned shame. I have a Zaurus, but it doesn't have NEARLY the battery life to double as a portable Ogg player. Here's to hoping someone in the portable music industry has some balls and decides to take a chance.
Am I the only one that thinks this is analogous to frog-compatible fish?
You could've hired me.
Well for me the choice is simple--if iRiver decides to make their players OGG compatible, then I'll buy one (I've certainly been drooling over it long enough)--if not, I'll stick with my Nomad II MG, which is none the worse for wear, considering it's going on 2 years old now.
I am fairly sure that they will add support, considering how friendly the people at Xiph are being with offering help to put the format in their players...
"I may be quite wrong." - Socrates
this site already broke the story. the slashdot editors should check it out sometime...
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Dumbasses.
Thats the problem with geeks. They make words that no one can pronounce like
linux (lin-ucks)
GNU (Guh-new)
I thought this too, but then I wondered if it's an intentional "freudian slip" in the backs of our minds. By making our top-secret geek tools unpleasant to say, it will stay out of the mouths of people who like to "nip things in the bud" before they get a chance to grow.
Most RIAA and MPAA execs are pampered babies who don't like to hear ugly things...how many times do you think the word "Ogg" will float around the RIAA boardroom? They are too egotistical and full of themselves...
So this is pretty cool, it's like geekcode for the verbal "word-of-mouth" space.
Once OGG is locked solid and working...we can always rename it to something more appealing later. So the theme is...first we built the lawyer-proof tanks, then we release them into the public domain...I love it!
The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky
It was first mentioned way back on March 25th, and more recently in Slashback. Don't feel dumb though, I submitted the MSNBC story too but only later realized that it had been covered. Still, you'd think a place like Slashdot would give it a bit more press.
I guess that's why it's 'news for geeks' and not 'news for greeks'
I'm a writer, a poet, a genius, I know it. I don't buy software, I grow it.
CNET has a story announcing the release of Tremor.
And Slashdot.org a top notch tech news site had the story yesterday. I wish that for once CNET would find their own content instead of always stealing it a couple days late from other news sites.
As long as the hardware device continues to play MP3s there is little risk to the manufacturer. They'll pay no royalties to use either the format or the Tremor software, all they need is a tiny amount of extra space.
Personally I am in the market for a portable Ogg player. In fact, I considered purchasing the Zaurus simply because it is the only portable device that I am aware of that plays Ogg files. However, I already have a PDA that I am happy with, and if I could get a less expensive gizmo that still played Ogg files I would snatch it up in an instant.
In short, the Ogg format wouldn't cost much to support, and it might swing potential buyers towards your device instead of a competitor's player.
Briiliant article with great comments, much recommended. They always have the best news first (apparently)
Well they can repost, so why cant i?
Seriously... you guys don't care anymore (the "editors"). We're getting repeats almost every day or at least every other day. If you guys aren't going to read slashdot anymore, then hell hire someone who can. Or maybe they'll do it volunteerly like you used to do in the old days. I don't want to bitch about slashdot. I like slashdot, always have in the roughly 2 years i've been on here. It just sucks to see the creators of something so damn cool stop caring. *sigh*
can't sleep slashdot will eat me
Once OGG is locked solid and working...we can always rename it to something more appealing later. So the theme is...
.avi format movies could use a multiple of several decoders.. why not just call them .mp3 and expect people to upgrade to the new version.. (that would be mean :) ) or more seriously just call them song-name.music to imply that they are music.. i think that would probably catch on..
Actually, there is no reason that the file name or extension has to be the same as the decoder..Word files aren't mydocument.wrd.. kinda like how
Now I have more reason then ever to burn all of my mp3 to regular cd format then re-rip them into OGG-Vorbis. Lets see I have a little under 5 gigs of mp3's, so hmmm does anyone where I could buy a thousand cd spindle?
I've got an mp3 player that is flashable. I will happily switch to OV as soon as I can. I have both formats now, and play vorbis via winamp with no real problems. But for the day you are correct.
errr....umm...*whooosh* *whoosh* Is this thing on ?
I ask because I'm a fairly casual reader. I load up Slashdot every couple of days and scan the headlines. My total time spent 'Slashdotting' is maybe 20-25 minutes a week. Despite all of this, I am quite aware of the INSANE amount of story repeats that go on here. Say all you want about the fact that there are multiple editors and each might post without knowing what the other one did (even if it was the same day or the day before!!??), but if they spent only the limited amount of time I do actually reading (just the headlines even, not even user comments!) Slashdot, they'd see these obvious repeats... Wouldn't they? And if they can't be bothered to spend 20-25 minutes per week actually reading the site, then why the hell are they editors here?
Just askin'. I mean, I slashdot for free so I don't feel the editors "owe" me anything, but I don't understand why they'd be so willing to make asses of themselves on such a widely known public site by not doing simple duplicate checking.
I'd love to hear thoughts on this.
/^[A-Z0-9._%+-]+@[A-Z0-9.-]+\.[A-Z]{2,4}$/i
... how many of you that posted observations about the dupe story actually thought you were the first to notice?
"Derp de derp."
but since this is a duplicate story it really wouldnt be now would it?
Thanks to file sharing, I purchase more CDs
Thanks to the RIAA, I buy them used...
I was able to download and use an ogg encoder on my home pc, but can't find on one their site today. Can someone provide a valid url? Yes, I've checked their download pages. This would be for Win2000 Pro.
Thanks, really, I mean that.
"Would it kill you to put down the toilet seat?" -- Maya Angelou
CNET has an article, and suddenly it's news all
over again? What I'm wondering, is why are people
submitting stories for third party articles about
stories or events were already linked to from
slashdot?
Don't the submitters even look at the stories here
anymore? Are people blindly submitting any new
tech story on CNET, TheRegister, or Wired?
Betamax VCRs cost more. Many companies made VHS VCRs, and competition drove prices down, while only Sony made Betamax.
VHS allowed 6 hours of recording per tape, and consumers considered the quality adequate. Betamax had better quality, but much less time per tape (under 2 hours, IIRC).
VHS VCRs could not easily be made that would play Betamax tapes. Choosing VHS meant not choosing Betamax.
Now let's compare Ogg Vorbis and MP3:
MP3 costs money, and Ogg never does. "More expensive" will not apply to Ogg ever.
Ogg can fit as much music, or more, as MP3 into a similar space. Yet Ogg has the better quality. (Consumers consider MP3 quality to be adequate, though.) This one is a wash.
Players can be easily made that will play either MP3 or Ogg. When Ogg players are available, buying one will not mean choosing not to be able to play MP3s; and consumers might buy a player wanting to use it for MP3s, and wind up using it for Ogg.
So I don't think the Betamax comparison is all that useful.
It will cost engineering time and testing time to add Ogg to players, but it will not cost any licensing fees. It isn't free to add Ogg to a player, but it's darn close, and Ogg adds nothing to the all-important "cost of goods". Given this, it is inevitable that at least some players will be available that will do Ogg.
steveha
lf(1): it's like ls(1) but sorts filenames by extension, tersely
I was able to download and use an ogg encoder on my home pc, but can't find on one their site today. Can someone provide a valid url?
I use OggDropXPd.
Will I retire or break 10K?
If the people get something better, they will Switch(TM) eventually. Long live Ogg.
It will NEVER have hardware support
The freeing of Tremor should change that.
cause it has a stupid name
Is "em-pee-three" any better?
Not to mention have you EVER seen an OGG on KaZaA Lite, WinMX or eDonkey?
I have seen .ogg files on WinMX. The main reason you don't is that WinMX by default shares only files named "*.mp3".
By the time anyone ever takes OGG seriously, the patent for MP3 will have expired
Not if Unisys, Thomson, Lilly, and Pfizer get together and lobby for a Cherilyn Lapierre Patent Term Extension Act.
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I hate Deja Vu
- Stand in corner facing life-size printout of the Goatse.cx image.
- Lashing with wet towel, rat-tail style
- Post at -1 for one month
- Support Windows XP at Stumblefuck, Alabama call center for one month
- Blow Cowboy Neal
All of the above should take place on webcam and best stills should be interspersed with the normal banner ads.You actually burned your MP3s back to CD to convert them to OGG?!??!? Convert to wav and then re-encode directly, or find an encoder that can read MP3 directly, like lame!
This works better even if you think you have space issues, because most rippers copy the whole CD to the hard drive to rip (650MB). A quick shell script would allow you to convert MP3->wav->OGG one at a time, requiring only enough extra space to hold your biggest file as MP3, WAV, and OGG all at once.
The person who wrote in raises a good point--the name hurts Ogg. MP3 is a good name--it's simple (short), easy to say, easy to type, and catchy. Ogg Vorbis is none of those. I'd personally like to see a new name for Ogg.
This seems to be happening more recently, but at least the editors are admitting it. Maybe it is time for a "duplicate story" category and icon.
My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.
Educate yourself a bit:
Floating Point Tutorial
Even Microsoft can help.
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It's only a "bad name" because no one recognizes it. Go back to 1997 and try saying MP3 to people in the street -- they'll give you funny looks.
As for your lies about how "hard" it is to type, yeesh, try counting it. 2 unique keypresses using 2 fingers (with one repeat motion) vs. 3 on 3 separate fingers ends up being the same -- 3 motions.
Maybe the name doesn't make sense to people who can't count, but for the rest of us, we'll keep using it.
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If this lame name whinging is the best Ogg's detractors can do then it should go like gangbusters. Incidentally, the audio codec is simply Vorbis. Ogg is a container format like Quicktime. In time we will be able to speak of Ogg Theora and in lotsa time Ogg Tarkin. If I'm not totally mistaken it can contain the Speex speech compression codec as well.
The name whinging is really lame. Kleenex most certainly "isn't a word". The name certainly doesn't make me think "something to blow my excess snot into". It ACQUIRED that meaning. Think about it.
I listen to mp3 radio, Digital Trance/Techno from the UK, alot of stuff you cant find on tv/radio. I have to order the cd's for the mixes, but you can find unknown mixes on gnutella (if popular)..
I wonder, since I'm buying imported music, does the RIAA still make money off it? Are there main guntella connections for the UK?
And speaking on encoding, I love how an Ogg Vorbis encoded cd has no skips between the tracks, really annoying with mp3s.
How about...
Those who would give up liberty in exchange for security and DRM should switch to Microsoft Palladium!