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Handshake via the Internet
mattlamb writes "British and American scientists will touch using sensors over the internet. "The implications of the experiment could be vast, said UCL, which describes the event as the world's "first transatlantic handshake over the Internet." " Let the juvenile comedy
commence!
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Somehow the idea of sex with 50ms latency doesn't sound so appealing...
say old chap, that's not my hand...
and thus teledildonics became a reality.
Att can ressurect thier Ad reach out and touch someone
"first transatlantic bitch-slap over the Internet."
...to "Reach out and touch someone"
I use Macs to up my productivity, so up yours Microsoft!
...hardware handshaking!
And million rejoice as the glory hole finally achieves perfection!
wouldn't this be a step backwards? It is ignoring the vast mental conveyance abilities of the internet to revert to the warn physical ideas that most people are so impressionable about. I think that this might reignate the prior discussions that we've had regarding psychological attachment disorders. People should learn to communicate via things like email or ICQ.
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I bet the UCL side will have a hand buzzer http://www.gagworks.com/gwp_0235.htm
Read Epic the first RPG novel.
1. develop internet touch sensors
2. start porn site
3. ?XXX?
4. Profit!!!
"You can not only feel the resulting force, but you can also get a sense of the quality of the object you're feeling -- whether it's soft or hard, wood-like or fleshy."
One would hope this could be discussed without immediately putting your mind in the gutter, but with quotes like this, it's impossible. It's obvious what these scientists are really trying to develop.
...
that one of them is a practical joker.
American Scientist "And that concludes this historic First Ever Trans-Atlantic Handshake."
Brit scientist (to his buddies) "He he, he thinks the glove is on my hand!"
There are 01 kinds of cars in the world. The General Lee, and everything else.
Since when did you need "very high frequencies down the Internet using newly developed fiber optic cables and extremely high bandwidths" to transmit up to 1,000 Hertz of information?
Does anyone here think that 1000 != High frequency and shouldn't require high bandwidth or special fibre optics?
Tibbon
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From the article: "You can not only feel the resulting force, but you can also get a sense of the quality of the object you're feeling -- whether it's soft or hard, wood-like or fleshy."
There's no way I believe that quote wasn't designed for maximum comedic potential.
I don't think too many people will trust a hydraulic robot hand to their gizmo. :)
"I'm a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar."
-Hoban Washburn
Now I can NOT get any action from women all over the world!
But what about this new technology in conjunction with Real Doll? Now THAT's a money making idea.
No sig for you. YOU GET NO SIG!
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Is it a suit? and "hand" like object? a glove?
The article is very vague! Anyone find other article on this?
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Will be especially helpful for people whose posts contains the phrase "free pr0n".
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"Shake, partner!"
[stretches out hand]
"Psyche!"
[deftly runs hand through hair]
Mike van Lammeren
It will challenge your head, your brain, and your mind.
"If successful, it could allow people to touch and feel each other over the Internet."
So will 'ping' now be replaced by 'poke'? Gives a new meaning to the term 'finger' on IRC and other communication systems
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Can't wait for the followup story: "Script kiddies hack robot hands -- scientists recovering in hospital after repeated punches to the face"
"I'm a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar."
-Hoban Washburn
There's a lot more info in this press release from MIT.
Using this for telemedicine sounds particularly interesting...
I was gonna maintain the moral high ground (HA!) and not go for the obvious pr0n joke, but then, the best thing that could be said was already in the article....
"You can not only feel the resulting force, but you can also get a sense of the quality of the object you're feeling -- whether it's soft or hard, wood-like or fleshy."
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Wouldn't the latency levels cause alot of interaction to start looking like a Stooges bit?
Reach out and grope someone!
I touched someone overseas, and got a nasty virus!
Imagine a Beowulf cluster of these!
When will we have bras made out of this?
I hope we don't /. someone's groin!
We can make politicians wear this on their head, and punch them when we don't like their votes!
I've installed this in all my chairs!
and finally:
OMG! It feels just like Natalie Portman slathered in hot grits!
Thanks, I'll be appearing at K5 on Saturday!
I think everyone out there should take a minute to give these smart people a HAND for the great JOB they have done.
They Have single HANDedly created many JOBS for alot of Ugly Women!!!
All they will try do is pick up a cube by working together somehow. A handshake in terms of what we know a handshake to be might not exactly happen.
Two scientists -- one in London and one in Boston -- will try to pick up a cube between them and move it, each responding to the force the other exerts on it.
(...)
The implications of the experiment could be vast, said UCL, which describes the event as the world's "first transatlantic handshake over the Internet."
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Here I am reading the story and thinking "I have a great pr0n joke for this" only to discover that every comment is already a pr0n joke of some kind.
Can't you people think of something more useful for this technology than that? Like for instance... um... er... do you think they could incorporate this into one of those Real Dolls?
The global economy is a great thing until you feel it locally.
Spam will not just annoy, but now send you to the doctor.
"Mom! A pop-up ad poked my eye again. I'm bleeding!"
Table-ized A.I.
Pull my finger!
This story reminds me of a concept a friend shared with me a few years back... he was interested in how much people would pay to shock him remotely over the 'net, and watch the reactions. He had the concept of a web-camera on him constantly, so that you could deliver the shock and watch the results...
Sample scenarios:
* eating cereal... ZZZzzzttt... milk everywhere
* on the bowl... ZZZzzzttt... poo everywhere
* frosting a cake... ZZZzzzttt... frosting everywhere
(etc, ad nauseum)
This is also the guy, however, that said he wanted to be buried with a webcam, so that people could watch him decompose over time, but that's another story altogether...
Brings a whole new meaning to "man in the middle attack," doesn't it?
"If you think education is expensive, try ignorance" - Derek Bok
I think this link describes the hardware being used - atleast an earlier version of it. Found through google "touch device phantom"
t ml
http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/nr/1998/phantom.h
Blunder of the Ages
By Reporter AC
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - In what amounts to a new twist on an old and venerable tradition, Senator Trent Lott (R) accidentally kissed a hand and shook a baby during a fundraiser in his home state of Mississippi today. The technical glitch was quickly discovered to be caused by an aide plugging the new TouchMeFeelMe internet tactile simulator backwards, but the parent of the jostled child was even less pleased than the baby according to witnesses. More...
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The device they are using seems to be the Phantom by SensAble Tecnologies (product page). I used one of these a few weeks ago at USC's Integrated Media Systems Cetner, they're pretty cool. If you are interested in this kind of thing, the field is called "haptics," from the greek "to touch."
Craig Charles (Dave Lister on Red Dwarf for those not in the know) at a sci-fi convention mentioned this technology or something similar to it. But he had issues with it. His bigest concern with having sex like this over the internet was thus.
What happens if you get a power surge? Rips your dick off and faxes it to Canada?
I know that would concern me
-- Wiccan Army, 13th Airborne Division "We will not fly silently into the night"
So if they use TCP/IP for the transport/network layer do they need to do a 3-way handshake? ...<groan>. Ok, ok, they are probably using UDP/IP in which case there is no actual handshake ... hmmm .. very matrixy ;)
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This makes the threat of a man-in-the-middle attack sound even more dangerous. Ewww.
fu-fme.com
:)
The article glosses over the fact that there are very, very few genuinely practical applications for this because of two insurmountable problems.
For one, our experiments at the time demonstrated that the hand-control idiom suffers from any lag; specifically that delicate manual operations are basically imposible with latency as low as 30ms which rule out things like surgery done this way. Hand dexterity depends on a very large number of relexive immediate movement in response to subtle stimuli like minute vibration of the tool, perceieved resistance, etc.
The second problem is one that operators of such devices very quickly become disoriented, often nauseated, because of the discordance between years of ingrained knowledge of how the world reacts to touch and the lagged/different input such tools provide.
People need to learn /new/ idioms for remote manipulation, not attempt to emulate biological systems. That's the same peoblem AI research has suffered from its inception: the day computers will display intelligence is when researchers start working on computer intelligence instead of trying to simulate human intelligence.
Same goes with tools.
While this might be a geekly thing to do (handshake over the net) and quite a bit neat, it's neither revolutionnary nor interresting in the long run.
-- MG
Hands Across America could be succesful this time - with only two people. ;).
This could have interesting ramifications (no pun intended
Seriously, people are already more physically separated than ever; rather than bring people closer, lots of technology has only widened the gulf.
I don't think I'm breaking any new ground here, many /.ers have been in a place in their lives where they've not had close relationships (platonic or otherwise). Even holding someone's hand has a positive effect on people's mental-well being.
Could this be more isolating than positive?
Hmmm. I wonder if W will use it to give Saddam the finger? Perhaps if leaders can flip each other off, using camel parts even, then it will diminish the desire to nuke each other. Then again it might have the opposite reaction. It would be easier to offend somebody with various body guestures than before.
I can envision a military guard next to the red button. Suddenly a finger pops out of his/her screen and presses it. "It wasn't me who pressed it, General, I swear to God!"
Table-ized A.I.
And then society and science will HALT development. Once we can all climb into the holodeck and roll our own reality.....what's then the point of anything else?
In the words of Dennis Miller:
"when the day comes that a unmployed steel worker can strap himself into his Barco-Lounger and fuck Claudia Shiffer for 19.95 an hour, it's going to make crack look like sanka"
Americans could not be more self absorbed if they were made of equal parts water and paper towel. -Dennis Miller
So it's like a really sophisticated version of a Nintendo Game Glove. Or a MS Sidewinder Controller with Force Feedback.
Sorry, I don't see whats so awe inspiring about sending data through a network.
Maybe it's just me.
Ann: "Hey, this new remote hand technology is great for our tech-support desks."
Bob: "Do you mean like showing callers how to reboot and find the Esc key?"
Ann: "No, for slapping sense into clueless idiots."
Table-ized A.I.
Probably more erotic for two people talking on telephone to tell each where to touch each other and then make appropriate pleasure noises. Letting your imagination fill in the the rest can be very erotic. Ditto for reading pr0n compared to viewing it.
Where would the trial be for getting assaulted by one of these devices? Source of or at the receiving end of the bitch slap?
http://www.bluevibrator.com/internet-vibrator.html for those who immediately jumped to the pr0n possibilities...
I guess that saying about the pr0n industry really pushing the envelope of internet technology as a driving force is true, then...
E.
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...Why is it that "scientists have done x over the Internet" is automatically newsworthy? The same demonstration performed over a cable between two adjacent rooms would not have been significantly easier. Stuffing arbitrary data into TCP packets is just not that hard.
Warning: this article may contain humor, sarcasm, parody, and perhaps even irony. Read at your own risk.
Now combine this with some good VR technology and presto, you strap your self in, put on the goggles and insert the credit card...
Imagine a cybersex cafe instead of an internet cafe... you'd go in, and there'd be a counter, you'd slap down your credit card and the person would say "Room #15"...
Yup, lots and lots of people are going to get rich and a lot more are going to get some pleasure... Now the next set of moral questions... if you go have sex with a machine, is it cheating??? Technically your just masterbating...
Yes Francis, the world has gone crazy.
When patent time comes, could the fu-fme be considered prior art? :)
Steve
Teledildonics.
this technology will do wonders for www.fufme.com
Runnin' On Empty
'At last, I can be gay over the Internet.'
Might have more fun that way. I doubt women will flock towards this. Heh.
In "Code and Other Laws of Cyberspace," Lessig talks about how the architecture of the 'Net used to enable the blind, deaf, ugly, and quadrapedal*. Everyone had to deal with the same narrow-band stream of text.
Now we've got things like videoconferencing, voice chat, the ability to swap pictures of--presumably--yourself, and it's making the Internet more like the regular world. Lessig, however, didn't make any strong value judgments about the change, simply using the fact to illustrate that changes in code can alter how the online world is experienced.
Then again, following the links you provided, you may just be a bit weird in the head. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
* [read: "On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog.]
You want the truthiness? You can't handle the truthiness!
personal attacks hurt, especially when deserved
1. Legal documents can be signed over the Internet. People can put their actual signature down on a piece of paper(provided there's a webcam so they can see what they're signing.)
2. Provide someone with a transparent mask, and you have talking heads. Beyond the humor factor, you can see all the things they're not saying with their words.
3. Boxing matches, over the Net. Fight games, oh, and UT5 will be a whole lot more fun.
4. Back to serious applications, medical procedures could be performed, once this technology was sufficiently advanced. Doctors already wear scopes. Throw on some gloves with this tech and you can hire the best surgeon in the world to perform battlefield surgery(or for those who don't have war on the brain, surgery performed out in the middle of the wilderness.)
Yeah, I get the porn. Blah blah. So what. This advance is truly amazing, and we'd be fools not to see what we can do with it.
Extension of Finger.
...and with this script you can pick your friend's nose too." :-}
So will we have to change the ol' phrase:
"You can pick your friends,
and you can pick your nose...
--- I wish I could hear the soundtrack to my life. That way I'd know when to duck.
"You can not only feel the resulting force, but you can also get a sense of the quality of the object you're feeling -- whether it's soft or hard, wood-like or fleshy."
What about all three: Hard, wood-like and fleshy?
Ed Wedig
Graphic design services
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Wow.. now nudie sites will not only be virtual reality but semi-reality. It will allow users to keep both hands on the keyboard and still get the "full" expeirence of "nudie surfin."
NO! NO! Please don't mod me, I'm too young to die a troll. *click* Oh the pain, the pain...
Could this technology be used in some way to create 'feeling enabled' prosthetic limbs? I know there would still be issues with impulse delivery to the brain, etc. Just a thought
the fufme drive becoming a reality.
Can you guys get this installed to help with my fantasy Emma Peel choice? I'm really having a hard time deciding.
If you post it, they will read.
What happens if you get a power surge? Rips your dick off and faxes it to Canada?
Yeah, it'll arrive on my fax machine...MWA-ha-ha-ha-ha! (I have such fun with these little surprises, don't you know...)
I'm not a geek, I'm just a clever script.
The first transatlantic handshake will be shortly followed by the first transatlantic thumb wrestling competition.
Don't trust a bull's horn, a doberman's tooth, a runaway horse or me.
Remember everyone's excitement over "Virtual Reality" technology, circa 1994? What did it get us?
Clunky helmets, oversized gloves, blurry screens, and generally something very much unlike reality.
Maybe such technology will have practical applications in 30 some years. Imagine playing a game of tennis using balls equipped with these "phantoms" and an invisible opponent from across the country.
Be excited for what the future holds, not tomorrow.
-Evan
When I went to college, there was a girl named Teresa Watt who had an account on the RS/6000. My buddy Rob had tears in his eyes when he showed me that you can actually "finger twatt".
Thank you AC... where ever you are.
Here is another article on this story.
Sounds interesting
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I learned the other day that touch, unlike sight, needs a much higher "frames per second" to be realistic. While for sight, 50 times refresh per second is sufficient, for touch this apparently needs to be in the order of 1000 times per second. I'm wondering if this connection is able to deal with this?
Cheers,
Costyn.
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This isn't about chat, sex (despite the jokes), your social life or mental problems - it's about conveying a certain type of information to the appropriate senses. There is a lot of information which can't easily be conveyed via text or even video but could be very well conveyed using touch.
This type of technology opens up a lot of possibilities. I'm sure you could also scale up or down the sensations you are feeling. Feeling and picking up that softball sized object may translate over the wires to moving a tiny obstruction in the patients aorta or moving ten-ton boulder in the road. In either case you can *feel* if it slips, if you picked it up off center, or if it is stuck on something.
It will become increasingly important to use SOAP before SAX, especially over a dirty connection.
Anyway we the people of the internet have added webcam and voice support to various IM clients, so you can have (low quality) video chat with other people around the world. Eventually you'll be able to interact with them physically, too. Basically it doesn't matter if we cure HIV/AIDS, we'll have a sexual renaissance one way or another. :)
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Someone smoking a cigarette raises my insurance premiums however...
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Creationists are a lot like zombies. Slow, but powerful and numerous. And they all want to eat our brains.
They were hoping that they could get this put onto PC packages as standard equipment.
Unfortunately, they had the usual kind of VCs... who pulled the plug as soon as the dot.com turned into the dot.bomb .
I'd already downloaded a development kit. The possibilities for someone with an... unusual sense of humor were compelling. They had a set of instructions... basically Javascript sorts of things, IIRC... as I said, this was supposed to work with code embedded in Web pages.
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