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America's First WCDMA Call

k-hell writes "Ericsson and AT&T Wireless recently completed the first WCDMA/UMTS call in a live network environment in the Americas, capable of data transfer speeds of up to 384 Kbps. AT&T Wireless and Ericsson currently pursuing the path to 3G capabilities in the U.S. market by deploying EDGE-ready GSM/GPRS systems. This path ensures an evolution to EDGE, then UMTS, a wideband radio technology that provides mobile users with data rates up to 2 Mbps." This is not yet a strong enough reason to move to Dallas, though.

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  1. Moving To Dallas by All+Names+Have+Been · · Score: 1, Troll

    ...This is not yet a strong enough reason to move to Dallas, though.

    There are precious few reasons strong enough to make one move to Dallas.

    1. Re:Moving To Dallas by bill · · Score: 1

      Sure there are - how about them Dallas Cowboys?

  2. wh00p by vorovsky · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Okay, so what... I already live in Dallas and have Sprint's Vision plan... that gets me on average 128kbits/sec including when I plug my phone into my laptop. I don't really think I'm going to rush out and get one of the other carriers for an extra few k/sec.

  3. Holy retard, Batman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    AT&T Wireless and Ericsson currently pursuing the path to 3G capabilities in the U.S. market by deploying EDGE-ready GSM/GPRS systems.

    Remember when your teacher told you grammar wasn't that important as long as you could get your point across? THEY LIED.

    1. Re:Holy retard, Batman by fobbman · · Score: 2

      The submitter of the /. story was one of the people who made that first phone call. Seems that the little metal radiation-deflection strip/tinfoil hat combination wasn't quite enough to lessen the effects of the signal.

    2. Re:Holy retard, Batman by tricknology · · Score: 2, Funny

      The use of the third-person plural pronoun they to refer to a singular noun or pronoun is attested as early as 1300, and many admired writers have used they, them, themselves, and their to refer to singular nouns such as one, a person, an individual, and each. W.M. Thackeray, for example, wrote in Vanity Fair in 1848, "A person can't help their birth," and more recent writers such as George Bernard Shaw and Anne Morrow Lindbergh have also used this construction, in sentences such as "To do a person in means to kill them," and "When you love someone you do not love them all the time." The practice is widespread and can be found in such mainstream publications as the Christian Science Monitor, Discover, and the Washington Post. The usage is so common in speech that it generally passes unnoticed. However, despite the convenience of third-person plural forms as substitutes for generic he and for structurally awkward coordinate forms like his/her, many people avoid using they to refer to a singular antecedent out of respect for the traditional grammatical rule concerning pronoun agreement. Most of the Usage Panelists reject the use of they with singular antecedents. Eighty-two percent find the sentence The typical student in the program takes about six years to complete their course work unacceptable. Thus, the writer who chooses to use they in similar contexts in writing should do so only if assured that the usage will be read as a conscious choice rather than an error. Interestingly, Panel members do seem to distinguish between singular nouns, such as the typical student, and pronouns that are grammatically singular but semantically plural, such as anyone and everyone. Sixty-four percent of panel members accept the sentence No one is willing to work for those wages anymore, are they? in informal speech.

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  4. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 2, Funny

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  5. Rick O'Shea by glomph · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The meteoric demise of Metricom's Richochet service (which was unlike most dot-bombs run sincerely, and provided pretty good value) should make it pretty clear as to the demand for such fun.

    1. Re:Rick O'Shea by throbbingbrain.com · · Score: 1

      I know someone with one of these new data services - costs $10 a megabyte for bandwidth. I think these people seriously overestimate the utility of wireless data services (aka demand).

      When it competes with dialup (at least during off peak) then I'll buy.

    2. Re:Rick O'Shea by dubiousmike · · Score: 2

      Well, if I remember correctly (and I rarely do), Richochet's service covered only metropolitian areas. Many of us work in them but live outside in good ol' suburbia. So unless my company paid for this, I wouldn't spring for it.

      Now if a cell provider impliments it across their coverage area, it is a different story.

      :P

    3. Re:Rick O'Shea by Combuchan · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I would say Ricochet's demise was partially because of the massive up front capital it took to set up the network. They tried to roll it out in my city, but the City Council refused to grant them the ability to place pole top boxes on 7% of all street lamps in the city. More over, Ricochet devices ran in the unlicenesed ISM 900 MHz and 2.4 GHz range, which didn't provide much bandwith, 128 kbps max for $70/month doesn't seem worth it when you can only use it a few places here and there.

      ATT et al. have their own towers and will shortly have their own spectrum licenses, enabling far better penetration. ATT also had $13.6 billion in revenue in 2001, dwarving Metricom's and enabling the capital for more advanced, faster wireless data services.

      my US$0.02

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    4. Re:Rick O'Shea by NateTech · · Score: 1

      Gee that's funny, richochet is running great here in Denver again.

      The rumors of their demise are greatly exaggerated, methinks.

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  6. hello, can you hear me now? by circletimessquare · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    hello? can you download my flash now?

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  7. Re:Too bad by mill · · Score: 1

    So true. This is also the reason why Ericsson is doomed. There are no Gates or Ballmers to turn the company around.

  8. Re:Obligatory... by molywi · · Score: 1

    you must not notice but they are talking about AT&T and the annoying can you hear me now ads are for Verizon wireless.

  9. The first time I see... by craenor · · Score: 2, Funny

    some a-hole driving along surfing the web...I'm gonna kill him.

    1. Re:The first time I see... by mobets · · Score: 2

      It's probobly more likly that he will kill you. Only in those las few seconds before he plows into you will you be close enough to see what had his attention.

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    2. Re:The first time I see... by vorovsky · · Score: 1

      does it count if I was the passenger?
      *ducks*

    3. Re:The first time I see... by malarkey · · Score: 4, Funny
      It's probobly more likly that he will kill you. Only in those las few seconds before he plows into you will you be close enough to see what had his attention.


      And where his other hand was.

    4. Re:The first time I see... by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 2

      "The first time I see... some a-hole driving along surfing the web...I'm gonna kill him."

      Yeah, because you know how cool cell phone rage is.

  10. WTF? by murphj · · Score: 5, Funny

    That writeup is KOC*. It has a LOA** . WIKWTHTM***!

    * Kind Of Confusing
    ** Lot of Acronyms
    *** Wish I knew what the hell they mean

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    1. Re:WTF? by mdechene · · Score: 5, Informative

      WCDMA - Wideband Code Division Multiplexing Algorithm
      UMTS - Universal Mobile Telephone System
      3G - Third Generation Cell Phone System
      GSM - Global System for Mobile Communications
      GPRS - General Packet Radio Service
      EDGE - Enhanced Data for GSM Evolution

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    2. Re:WTF? by Czernobog · · Score: 1

      My favourite though is UTRAN. An acronym including an acronym.
      UMTS Terrestrial Radio Access Network
      Now if you fully expand this, you get the majestic Universal Mobile Telecommunications System Terrestrial Radio Access Network.

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    3. Re:WTF? by Malc · · Score: 1

      Urrr, I guess you haven't tried expanding GNU yet. ;)

    4. Re:WTF? by smoondog · · Score: 2

      Ahh that is helpful. I understand now.

      -Sean

    5. Re:WTF? by stinky+wizzleteats · · Score: 5, Funny

      So, EDGE fully expands to:

      Enhanced Data for Global System for Mobile Communications Evolution

      Jesus. Let's just start making up words for stuff like this. I hereby proclaim this technology to be called "durf".

    6. Re:WTF? by 4minus0 · · Score: 1

      hahahaha
      holy shit
      wish i hadn't pissed all my mod points away.
      i swear to god i actually laughed out loud at that.

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    7. Re:WTF? by k-hell · · Score: 1

      Global System for Mobile Communications (GSM): First introduced in 1991, GSM is the largest digital mobile standard in use today. Implemented in 400MHz, 900MHz, 1800MHz and 1900MHz frequency bands.

      General Packet Radio Service (GPRS): An enhancement for GSM and TDMA core networks that introduces packet data transmission. GPRS uses radio spectrum very efficiently and provides users with "always on" connectivity and greater bandwidth.

      Time Division Multiple Access (TDMA): A mobile communications technique in which a radio frequency channel is divided into time slots, each of which lasts for a fraction of a second.

      Enhanced Data for GSM Evolution (EDGE): A technology that gives GSM and TDMA similar capacity to handle services for 3G. EDGE was developed to enable the transmission of large amounts of data at rates of 384 Kbps.

      3rd Generation (3G): Third generation is a set of digital technologies that promises improvements in capacity, speed and efficiency. 3G also goes by the names, Improved Mobile Telephone Service 2000 (IMT-2000) and Universal Mobile Telecommunications System (UMTS).

      Universal Mobile Telecommunications System (UMTS): A 3G standard, being developed under the auspices of ETSI, and intended mainly for the evolution of GSM networks.

      Code Division Multiple Access (CDMA): A technology for digital transmission of radio signals that uses digital encoding and spread-spectrum RF techniques to let multiple users share the same RF channel. In CDMA, a frequency is divided using codes, rather than in time or through frequency separation.

      Wideband Code Division Multiple Access (WCDMA): A 3G wideband radio technique which makes highly efficient use of radio spectrum and is capable of supporting data rates of up to 2 Mbit/s, sufficient to allow simultaneous access to several voice, video and data services at once.

    8. Re:WTF? by interiot · · Score: 2

      Some acronyms shouldn't be expanded more than one layer. GNU is an even better example.

    9. Re:WTF? by k-hell · · Score: 1

      No, it's for the countries using NMT 450. NMT (Nordic Mobile Telephony) is the classic cellular standard used in 30 countries around the world. NMT operates on two different radio frequencies, 450 MHz and 900 MHz.

      Essentially, the GSM 400 is a migration path from the NMT to the GSM system. GSM 400 will evolve with the core GSM specification and will include seamless roaming with other GSM bands.

    10. Re:WTF? by Combuchan · · Score: 2

      EDGE would actually expand to Enhanced Data for Groupe Spcial Mobile Evolution. Back in 1982, according to this google result, this French term was formed out of a Conference of European Posts and Telecommunications initiatve for pan-European mobile services.

      Of course, nobody likes the French and the acronym was ultimately changed to Global System for Mobile [Communication]. And yes, there should be an accent over the e in Groupe but /.'s ampersand character thing is broken.

      a bit of history behind that.
      </pedantic>

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  11. Re: 102.11b vs 3G by aaronhurd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As I see it, the biggest selling points for 3G data service are the availability and security associated with it. While one can never be completely secure over anything wireless, certainly, when coupled with stronger encryption, 3G can promise high speed security. Most people who need an internet connection for business purposes will likely pay a premium for always-available, secure data services.

    For the casual user, I do see 802.11b as being "just fine." So what if someone is packet-sniffing my Yahoo.com mail account? I'm really not doing anything important. However, when data services become both ubiquitous and inexpensive, we may find users who cut the line on their cable modems and DSL connections and go wireless. (Kind of like we are seeing a transition from land-line phones to cellular.)

    Of course, there are also issues such as network saturation, which I feel are being grossly overlooked. I mean, I regularly can't complete calls during the evening hours (when the other 26,000 people at my University are also using their free night and weekend minutes.) I can't imagine what it would be like with data services on top of that!

    In short, I see the cellular phone as an application of a broader wireless platform. The platform is now beginning to be used to transmit data, which is a perfectly appropriate use of the technology. Over the next few years as 3G becomes more wire-spread, we'll see how things shape up. It will be interesting to watch.

  12. Privacy by Lt+Razak · · Score: 1

    So how does the privacy work with these things? Does it start with the phone with a MAC address? Your billing information with name & address? And then can they figure out where you're at by triangulation, etc?

    1. Re:Privacy by mdechene · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually, alot of the 3G phone handset designs have AGPS (Assisted Global Positioning Satellite) receivers built in, so they don't need triangulation to spot ya any more. Part of the requirement that E911 systems have imposed on cell phones being able to identify their own location so they can send help out as needed.

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  13. Excuse me sir, how much ....?? by LittleDustPuppy · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Though a very interesting concept, the question remains...how much is this going to cost?? Phones and plans cost more than enough already! (At least in Canada)

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  14. my experience by EEgopher · · Score: 1

    Dallas is the single and only place I've seen an actual Ferarri dealership with my own two eyes. I wonder how many Ericsson execs will be shopping there after this . . .

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    1. Re:my experience by DevilM · · Score: 3, Funny

      you really should get out more!

  15. Re:Huh? by captainwacky · · Score: 1
    Maybe it's not a 'geek' enough reason, but it's warm

    if by warm you mean "like an industrial kiln" then you're right, but if you mean "pleasantly warm" then you are sorely mistaken.

    I say this having lived in Dallas for over 20 years.

  16. Re:Too bad by molywi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    i dont think that wifi can replace this technology. 3g has better range then wifi does and it does roaming between towers, whereas wifi is not capable of this yet. So if you are stationary, wifi might be the way to go, otherwise 3g will be the solution for people on the go. Somebody needs to come out with a killer app in order to get people to swtich to 3g, such as unmetered connections for reasonable flat rate fee, then it will be more likely to catch on.

  17. Re:Huh? by jmu1 · · Score: 2

    Mmmmm, cheeze. And beeeer. And football...aaaaaaaaagggh.

  18. Sprint 3G @ 144-230 kbps right now by ckm · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm using Sprint's PCSvision system right now (for this post in fact). It gets somewhere between 144 to 230 kbps (similar to ISDN) and is available right now. I have the unlimited service, which is $110/month-to-month. Pretty resonable, I use it on the road for business.

    The only thing that's been kinda sucky so far is the slow upload speeds and it really sucks battery life out of a notebook...

    Other than that, it works as advertised. Setup is a bit of a pain, but it's only been out for a month or so, so perhaps the next release of the software will fix that.

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    1. Re:Sprint 3G @ 144-230 kbps right now by TBone · · Score: 1, Troll

      Unless their 3G network expands outside their normal cell network, Sprint's coverage is also pretty crap, unless you live on an interstate, or a large city.

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    2. Re:Sprint 3G @ 144-230 kbps right now by Bios_Hakr · · Score: 2

      I have a similar service in Tokyo. They advertise anywhere from 64kbps up to 128kbps. I see, on average, 70kbps with peaks in the 110kbps range. I think the 110kbps peak is limited by the fact that windows sees it as a serial modem and limits the serial bus to 115200bps.

      In any event, I pay about $80/month for unlimited service. The only down side is that the connection works by buffering and bursting in 500ms intervals. The server saves up 500ms of traffic and bursts it all at once. Then the modem responds. Completely useless for online gaming. Also it drops packets like a mofo. Methinks there is no real error-correction system between the modem and the cell-towers.

      Still, it beats 56k modems.

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  19. Dallas.... by MImeKillEr · · Score: 1

    ...there's NEVER a good reason to move to Dallas.

    In fact, Texas is full. Please find residence in some other state.

    Thank you, please drive through.

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    1. Re:Dallas.... by MImeKillEr · · Score: 1

      Shh! We have enough people moving to Texas daily. The quality of life is in the crapper.... The "imports" (for the most part) don't understand Southern Hospitality and are ruining the Texas experience. That is, they don't know how to drive, have a "me, me" mentality, and generally rude, etc.

      Texas is full. Please move to Oklahoma or Kansas.

      Thank you.

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  20. Dallas vs. other places by timothy · · Score: 1

    I am not in the cheerleader market right now, and I don't believe many cheerleaders are in the Me market, either. ]

    And Dallas is *not* always warm :) I've been there when it's been cold, and there's even the odd snowstorm. Not that that's a bad thing, but if warmth is the reason, and you want to keep your Texas concealed permit, good taxes, etc, someplace like McAllen is better.

    Austin (or esp. San Antonio) is much more tempting ...

    timothy

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    1. Re:Dallas vs. other places by deceptakahn · · Score: 1

      Austin (or esp. San Antonio) is much more tempting ... heh. not at all. DFW has the most jobs in texas right now, and that's the most appealing thing of all (i'm just another geek who had to leave austin to follow the dough. i couldn't get a job as a janitor in austin after i lost my sysadmin job.)

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  21. Re:Huh? by mr_gerbik · · Score: 3, Funny

    Granted, the Cowboy's aren't the Packers

    They are however, a bunch of packers.

  22. Up to xxx Mbps... until it gets customers by phorm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    With initial packet data speeds up to 384 kbps a wideband radio technology that provides mobile users with data rates up to 2 Mbps

    More interesting would be a test of this under high saturation. Current systems are already getting bogged down, reception is getting craps, calls lost, etc. Once the user-base for the service gets high, I would predict a decrease in speed (at least for a time).

    Never trust the "up to." My internet is supposed to get "up to " > 2.5Mbps transfer rate down. Average or mean would be a better indicator.

    1. Re:Up to xxx Mbps... until it gets customers by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 2

      "More interesting would be a test of this under high saturation. Current systems are already getting bogged down, reception is getting craps, calls lost, etc"

      There are different circumstances with data than there is with voice. With voice, the requirement is that you have a constant connection with a minimum bandwidth and a minimum latency. Standards for data trasmission would be much more relaxed. It's okay to wait a few seconds to get a burst of data. At best, most of the cell phones will be bursty instead of constant download streams.

      There are going to be people that use the phone to keep their computer on the net constantly. You can bet, though, that the service providers will provide incentives not to use the internet phone much. For example, they'll charge you by the kilobyte. Maybe one day that'll all be worthwhile, but for the first round I'm reasonably sure that they won't have saturation issues.

      I do whole heartedly agree with your 'up to' comment, though. Seems like it'd be more useful to post a practical data average. Of course, they'd inflate that # too. heh.

      Don'tcha love marketing?

  23. Re:Huh? by BWJones · · Score: 2

    Maybe it's not a 'geek' enough reason, but it's warm and the Dallas Cowboy's Cheerleaders are there.

    As someone who used to live in the Dallas/Ft. Worth metroplex, I can say this is about all you have. The crime is terrible there (including crimes committed by members of the Dallas Cowboys themselves), the traffic is awful, pollution is getting bad, and all the land around the area is privately owned giving one no outdoor recreation opportunities without paying someone to use the land. All that said, there are things I do really miss about Texas, especially the people. But recently I had to turn down a very tasty job offer in Dallas because of the afforementioned problems. It's simply not worth it to me.

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  24. WiFi vs. 3G by Lt+Razak · · Score: 5, Informative

    I am one of the toughest critics of cellular operators, whom I believe are the weakest links in the value chain to create viable wireless data businesses. However, I don't think the cellular operators are -- or should be -- embarrassed about 3G vs. WiFi. The operators should be embarrassed about lots of things -- misleading the public about capabilities, marketing WAP as "wireless Internet," providing virtually no customer education, etc., etc. -- but not about the concept of 3G vs. WiFi. Some points of comparison: * WiFi was designed for local area networks. 3G was designed for wide area networks. * WiFi was designed for data. 3G was designed for voice and data. * WiFi emphasizes computing devices (laptops, desktops, PDAs). 3G emphasizes (so far) handsets; I hope the cellular industry gets more aggressive about promoting PC Card/Compact Flash radio modems and wireless-enabled PDAs for 3G. * WiFi uses non-licensed spectrum. 3G uses licensed spectrum. Businesses are often more wary of using unlicensed spectrum than licensed spectrum. * WiFi doesn't require corporations or home users to pay airtime charges for local usage. WiFi companies trying to develop nationwide paid access are still figuring out the business model. 3G (2G and 2.5G) requires local, national and international airtime charges. If the cellular industry fails to develop a viable business model for integrating WiFi with cellular and if public fee-based WiFi networks expand dramatically across the country, then it's possible that WiFi could steal some of the thunder and customers away from 3G data services.

  25. Forget about 3G! Take a look at SOMA Networks. by kakkak · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have a friend in Japan who was telling me about this product. Land line quality phones and a data connection over the same wireless connection!!

    7 megs/second!!!

    http://www.somanetworks.com, I've heard they are trialing a few places in the US and maybe Canada. IIt would be pretty nice to get away from Bell.

  26. Re:Great, What about wisconsin? by L.+VeGas · · Score: 2

    That's a good one. People in Wisconsin are mainly waiting for a Lynyrd Skynyrd reunion.

  27. Texas has a history in wireless by t0qer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well not a huge history, but just some interesting trivia..

    Ricochet's wireless modems were not run out of the Bay area office as some like to think. Bay area was mainly a "peoples interface"

    The real behind the curtain work occured down in texas. The NOC in texas was responisible for authenticating the modems and ultimately had complete control over the system.

    [training speil]
    When the ricochet is turned on, it's unique number goes over the poletops until it hits a WAP, then down to texas where the number is checked against the customer database. If it checks out an authorization command is sent back to the modem allowing it to connect to the ricochet network.
    [end training speil]

    Texas is a huge flat land mass located in the southern portion of the united states. It borders the carribean and has fairly nice weather (except for the occasional tornado) These geographical features are what makes it so appealing to wireless development.

    Also to note are the remote oil fields that depend on pump yeild data that is usually sent wirelessly because it's cheaper in terms of right of way. So basically there's a demand in texas for anything new in wireless data transfer.

    Texas is cool place to watch on "King of the Hill", but I wouldn't want to live there just because I love where I live (Friends, family, ect) I'm surprised slashdot editors would allow such a seething comment to make it through. Just because you love where you live is no reason to clown on someplace else.

    1. Re:Texas has a history in wireless by Night+Goat · · Score: 2
      Texas is cool place to watch on "King of the Hill", but I wouldn't want to live there just because I love where I live (Friends, family, ect) I'm surprised slashdot editors would allow such a seething comment to make it through. Just because you love where you live is no reason to clown on someplace else.

      Maybe the editor also likes where he lives and has friends where he lives, hence he doesn't want to move to Dallas. Now, living close to the Dallas Cowboys, on the other hand, that ought to scare anyone from moving there!
    2. Re:Texas has a history in wireless by StandardDeviant · · Score: 2

      DFW is also big into telecom for a lot of other reasons, e.g. Texas Instruments being HQ'd up there. Dallas as a city, though... And understand that I'm a native-born and raised Texan when I say this, so my dislike of that metroplex is informed:

      Life is too short to live in Dallas.

    3. Re:Texas has a history in wireless by tricknology · · Score: 1

      Texas is a huge flat land mass located in the southern portion of the united states. It borders the carribean...

      uhh, since when does Texas border the Caribbean?

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    4. Re:Texas has a history in wireless by athakur999 · · Score: 2

      DFW is also home to Nortel's, Ericsson's, and Alcatel's US headquarters, as well as countless others.

      But as a Dallas resident, I agree with you. This city is damn boring. Street after street of strip malls, and gigantic malls and movie theatres, etc. Not a whole lot of character.

      But perks like low cost of living, no state income tax, no tax on groceries, etc. are enough to keep me here.

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    5. Re:Texas has a history in wireless by tongue · · Score: 2

      Texas is cool place to watch on "King of the Hill", but I wouldn't want to live there just because I love where I live (Friends, family, ect)

      Friends comes on here in texas too you know--nbc on thursday nights... Yeah, I know we just got indoor plumbing in some parts last year, but come on--we're not BACKWARDS or anything...

    6. Re:Texas has a history in wireless by t0qer · · Score: 2

      Can I get some quality karma whoring for puttin this guy down please :)

      I guess it's true what they're sayin about todays kids, show them a world map and they wouldn't be able to show you what continent they live on :(

      http://plasma.nationalgeographic.com/mapmachine/ in dex.html?id=362&size=medium&left=-70.59&bottom=19. 05&right=-70.19&top=19.45

    7. Re:Texas has a history in wireless by SirPhobos · · Score: 1
      Texas is a huge flat land mass located in the southern portion of the united states. It borders the carribean and has fairly nice weather (except for the occasional tornado)
      Carribean? Try the Gulf of Mexico. And don't forget to mention the near annual floods and the occasional hurricane.
    8. Re:Texas has a history in wireless by t0qer · · Score: 2

      They're one and the same, check the link above to a national geographic atlas. I've played enough pirates gold to know where it is.

    9. Re:Texas has a history in wireless by cameldrv · · Score: 2

      Perhaps he sees a distinction between the carribeian and the gulf of mexico.

    10. Re:Texas has a history in wireless by StandardDeviant · · Score: 1

      Yeah. Dallas isn't actively bad, like LA or Sarajevo, but it's bland. You get pretty much the same perks living in Austin, and the culture here is much more lively. [For that matter, picking the right parts of Houston will do the same thing, e.g. montrose, and with a larger job market.]

  28. Re:Huh? by Havokmon · · Score: 2
    if by warm you mean "like an industrial kiln" then you're right, but if you mean "pleasantly warm" then you are sorely mistaken.

    I spent a week in Gonzalez TX, during June about 5 years ago, when my wife's Aunt died. They had a big old house with no A/C. Hmm, Actually the church didn't have A/C either. Very small town. My father-in-law called it 'Little Hell'. The worst for me was my 6 month old being so uncomfortable.

    As corny as it sounds, it's not the heat, it's the humidity. It was in the 90's there easily, but it was just HOT. Up here it can be unbearable in the 80's.

    It's all relative ;)

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  29. You're tellin' me! by Asprin · · Score: 3, Funny


    This is not yet a strong enough reason to move to Dallas, though.

    Yeah, they're gonna have to throw in something *important* like downloadable ring tones or a Hello Kitty screensaver.

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  30. Bluetooth to keep up? by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Just curious if 3G will jumpstart a faster Bluetooth spec. To the best of my knowledge, Bluetooth isn't capable of reaching 2 megabits.

    Right now I have a BT enabled cell phone. I use it as an organizer that syncs up with Outlook on my laptop. I've heard that you can use BT to get an internet connection to the laptop, but I haven't personally verified that. If I could, though, it'd mean that my laptop would be able to get on the net without needing to remove my cell phone from my pocket. One less thing sitting 3 inches from my laptop with a 6' cable attached.

    1. Re:Bluetooth to keep up? by k-hell · · Score: 1

      Bluetooth draws heavily on existing wireless LAN technology since it is based around the IEEE's 802.11, and like 802.11, it operates in the unlicensed Industrial Scientific and Medical (ISM) 2.4 GHz band. The main differences are that in order to consume less power, Bluetooth is initially restricted to an operating distance of just 10 metres and a speed of approximately 1 Mbit/s.

  31. "Mr. Nelson, come here. by tps12 · · Score: 1

    I want to see you."

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    1. Re:"Mr. Nelson, come here. by Robotech_Master · · Score: 1

      Probably more like:

      "Hi."

      "Hi."

      "So, how you doing?"

      "Uh...I dunno, how are you doing?"

      "I'm okay...hey, this isn't collect, is it?"

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  32. haha by vectorhead · · Score: 1

    a strong enough reason to move to Dallas, there could NEVER be (imo)

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  33. Not the first? by mdechene · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Its probably more accurate to say this is the first WCDMA/UMTS call on a commercial network, as Motorola and probably others have been doing this on their private networks for some time now.

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    1. Re:Not the first? by mdechene · · Score: 2

      In house networks are live network environments. kthxbye.

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  34. Re:Forget about 3G! Take a look at SOMA Networks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Oh, yeah! I've heard of SOMA. Their stuff kicks ass. 10 Mbits/s throughput with 4G.

  35. CDMA standards by evilned · · Score: 3, Interesting

    OK, can someone explain to me the difference between all of the 3g CDMA standards? Like CDMA 2000 vs. WCDMA? Is it a just a difference in how much data a second can be transferred, or is there something else to it. I know 1xRTT fits in there somewhere as well, but I think its just for voice.

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    1. Re:CDMA standards by colin_n · · Score: 2

      check out http://www.three-g.net. Everything will be explained.

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  36. 2 Mb transfers? by JayateMo · · Score: 1

    I was told (hmm forgot where ;) )that (up to)2 Mb was within the same cell??? Could anyone please tell us if this is true?

  37. Re:Huh? by Linux_Bastard · · Score: 1

    He means today.

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  38. Re:Forget about 3G! Take a look at SOMA Networks. by Yokaze · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Interestingly FOMA is a 3G network. More specifically it is also a WCDMA network (NTT just had to do their own derivate), which
    someone claimed to be inpracictable or expensive at best.

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  39. My voice sounds the same at 384kbps by ggruschow · · Score: 1
    My voice sounds the same at 384kbps as it does on the current CDMA network.

    Wake me up when they come out with a phone that can hold and play 3 hours of 320x240 MPEG-4 video, receive AM & FM radio, take passable 640x480 pictures, play Java and Gameboy games, record and playback a few hours of MP3s, has distinctive ringers, does SMS and email, and of course, has at least a couple hours of talk time.

    Until then, I wish they'd just concentrate on upgrading the cellular infrastructure, so I can freaking make and receive a phone call during rush hour in Chicago. 3G is just going to strain the frequency bandwidth and infrastructure worse.

    1. Re:My voice sounds the same at 384kbps by halk · · Score: 1

      "My voice sounds the same at 384kbps as it does on the current CDMA network."

      No it doesn't. UMTS phones use AMR-WB (Adaptive Multi-Rate Wideband) speech codec that offers superior sound quality.

  40. Re:Forget about 3G! Take a look at SOMA Networks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You should check out the stuff they're doing right now.
    I mean it's live in japan.
    http://www.zdnet.co.jp/news/0206/06/njbt_1 1.html

  41. Re:Forget about 3G! Take a look at SOMA Networks. by bartman · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here is the NTT (the telco doing trials of SOMA technology in Japan) tiral page: www.winq-kanazawa.net. But it's not much good if you don't read Japanese -- it does have a pretty picture of the client hardware.

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  42. Re:Forget about 3G! Take a look at SOMA Networks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually, their website claims 12MB/s. Nice. Sounds like they are based on WCDMA, but "enhanced for Internet performance". They have details on their radio protocol on their website. Apparently they have a trial running in the USA, in rural Oregon -- details here. I can't wait to see this stuff available for the general public!

  43. Re:moving to dallas... by Schnapple · · Score: 1
    And the irony is, I'm trying like heck to move to Dallas. Speaking of which, My resume is on my site in my sig...

    Feel free to mod me down now, my karma can take the hit.

  44. What's ironic... by CommieLib · · Score: 1, Troll

    is that this post was written from Fort Worth.

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    1. Re:What's ironic... by Malc · · Score: 1

      Why's it ironic?

    2. Re:What's ironic... by CommieLib · · Score: 2

      Well, it was intended to be a joke. I assumed that the post was a swipe from a Northerner at Dallas, and Fort Worth is about 30 miles from Dallas, so moving to Dallas would be less of a hassle.

      KERCLUNK!! Guess you had to be there (literally).

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  45. Interesting Moderations... by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 2

    "In fact, there's no such thing as "a strong enough reason to move to Dallas.": +1, Funny

    "There are precious few reasons strong enough to make one move to Dallas", -1, Troll

    Anybody else think that's a little odd? Heh.

  46. Obligatory Smirnoff Joke... by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    "This is not yet a strong enough reason to move to Dallas, though."

    In Soviet Russia, there is not yet strong enough reason to move out of Dallas. Heek heek!

  47. Re:moving to dallas... by _ph1ux_ · · Score: 2

    a friend of mine who lives there said that the female to male ratio is about 3:1...

    That is one reason.

  48. Re:moving to dallas... by DreamshadowMech · · Score: 1

    From one who lives here....I don't think it's that good....but it's not bad. Shame...I'm married.

  49. Re:Huh? by JordoCrouse · · Score: 1

    Tge crune us terrubke there (including crimes committed by members of the Dallas Cowboys themselves).

    I think you meant The crime is terrible there primarly because of crimes committed by members of the Dallas Cowboys.

    Of course, to be fair to angry Dallas fans, most of those guys are not on the team any more.

    In fact, to be honest, the biggest crime they ever commit these days is impersonating a professional football team.

    *rim shot*

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  50. Re:moving to dallas... by mehip2001 · · Score: 1

    As one who live here and has lived on the westcoast, let me tell you the women her are outrigh frumpy....I HATE THIS FRIGGIN PLACE...
    Dallas, Land of the SUV.

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  51. Re:Huh? by BWJones · · Score: 2

    xmission eh? Must be a SLC local.

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  52. Too Little, Too Late by malus · · Score: 1

    I've already sunk all my money into Sprint's PCS Vision... it's so(oooo) 3G already.

    Har. /me throws his [pcs] cellphone in the trash.

  53. Re:You Asked For It by Linux_Bastard · · Score: 1

    Good things about Texas/Dallas

    First Saturday sale.

    No state income tax.

    Jobs

    True no busses between FW and Dallas, we use the trains instead.

    NASA, Texas Industries, Dell Computer, EDS, etc., etc.

    65% of all Defense Industry is here
    (now that is really a booming industry!)

    Yesterday

    80's down in the south
    6 inches snow in the north
    pleasant 70's and dry in the west
    Rain/floods in the east.
    Pick your climate, you can have it.
    (except in summer. then its hot, hottest, hell, and death)

    Why would you want to live in a state small enough to drive out of without running out of gas?
    (85% of which is refined in Texas btw. Theres a reason Houston has the worst air quality)

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  54. I Remember A Day... by Zech+Harvey · · Score: 3, Insightful


    ...When Connectivity Providers fought tooth and nail for cities. Recently it has been regions. Now it looks like they are banding together and drawing the lines at nations. I mean, it seems that ubiquitious networks would be wonderful, but I worry when one becomes the national monopoly. Will technology like this allow competition with other protocols? Or do we get one protocol and a bunch of implementations from different companies?

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  55. Re:moving to dallas... by scotch · · Score: 2

    It's not just Dallas buddy. USA, land of the SUV. I grew up in Dallas; after living near mountains and the ocean, I'd never move back there. Someone else said it already: life is too short and Dallas is too boring.

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  56. Re:moving to dallas... by pyrofx · · Score: 1

    It is the Land of SUVs and I will drive over you when you visit while browsing the web along the Richardson corridor.

  57. Does this mean... by KC7GR · · Score: 2

    ...that people using mobile phones while they're driving can now get into accidents twice as fast? ;-)

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    Blue Feather Technologies

  58. Re:Huh? by JordoCrouse · · Score: 1

    xmission eh? Must be a SLC local.

    Yeah, I don't have a football team of my own, so I have to put others down.

    But rejoice, I have my very own backetball team to be annoyed about - and there is plenty to complain about this year.. :)

    The Mavericks, on the other hand, are a hell of a team. I saw the two playoff games two years ago where they handed the Jazz their asses in a bucket, and I was very impressed.

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  59. rather... by Sprunkys · · Score: 2, Insightful

    WCDMA - Wideband Code Division Multiple Access
    UMTS - Universal Mobile Telecommunications System

    according to www.acronymfinder.com and others

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  60. Re:moving to dallas... by mehip2001 · · Score: 1

    Typical Dallas attitude...my insert phalic substitute is bigger / faster than yours. It is like living with a bunch of 12 year olds.

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  61. Re:moving to dallas... by mehip2001 · · Score: 1

    Mam, I hope you don't move here just for the team. It has nothing to offer if you are not into shopping.

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  62. Re:Great, What about wisconsin? by penguin_punk · · Score: 2

    That's nothing. Wait until EVERYONE has this service. Instead of saying "Ericsson and AT&T Wireless today completed the first WCDMA/UMTS call in a live network environment in the Americas. With initial packet data speeds up to 384 kbps...", we'll actually be proud of even getting a call through! Forget the speed.

    _end-rant

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  63. Re:Too bad by k-hell · · Score: 1
    I agree that with efforts from various Wi-Fi alliances (such as the coming Wi-Fi Smart Card organization), current issues with security, privacy, roaming, and also convenience, will be, atleast mostly, solved.

    However, 3G has an important advantage. Whereas 802.11 is limited with regards to speed and mobility, 3G (UMTS together with WCDMA) provides different data rates:
    * 384 Kbps with a maximum speed of 500 kilmometers per hour.
    * 512 Kbps with a maximum speed of 120 kilometers per hour.
    * 2 Mbps at a maximum speed of 10 kilometers per hour (a little faster than walking speed.)

    The power consumption is also lower with UMTS+WCDMA than with current 802.11x.

    The carriers see this as a complementary service. The WLAN market is on the verge of rapid growth, and this is mainly due to the large carriers interested in the "hot spot business". T-Mobile is an example of this. It is also becoming quite apparent that 3G traffic will be mostly voice, so Wi-Fi data traffic will not deprive carriers of revenue there.

    One must also remember that, unlike the technology sustaining them -- 802.11b, 802.11a, etc. -- there is not an agreed-upon, or proven, business standard which investors and operators may follow. You have the "everything is free" and the "do it yourself" thing. None of these models are "perfect" when it comes to cost, revenue, benefit and risk sharing.

  64. The obvious problems and solutions. by MortisUmbra · · Score: 1

    The comments mentioning Wi-Fi killing 3G are, sadly, not entirely accurate. While it owuld be nice to have one wireless technology driving our data traffice, 3G has some nice benefits that Wi-Fi just cannot compare to yet. Roaming between towers, distance, and most importantly, foothold. While 3G itself may not have a foothold in our modern lives, cellphones do. And at some point in their lives wireless service providers are going to move us all over to 3G, our current service will go the way of analog, and wether we like it our not we all all have "Vision capable phones" or we won't have phones at all. The same cannot be saif for Wi-Fi, you can live without Wi-fi, you can't consolidate your wireless phone into Wi-Fi (somehow VoIP just doesnt cut it there). So from a standard users point of view, the choice is simple. One service, high-speed, data AND voice services, small, usefull PDA-replacing devices that get better and better every generation. Or a technology thats, not secure, not widespread, only carries their data traffic. Wouldn't be the first time the technical merits of a technology failed to convince the populous it was the better path to take.

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  65. Re:moving to dallas... by Darrion · · Score: 1

    I would have to agree that there is definitely no good reason to move to Dallas itself, however the DF/W metroplex is pretty cool. Yeah, no beach, no snow skiing, pretty flat, but right now we have the best team in both the NBA and more importantly in the NHL.

    Basketball sucks, but the Mavs are blowing away everyone who gets on the court with them.

    Hockey rules, and the Stars are kicking some but all over the NHL right now too. When you take a look at the Stars record at home, along with the Mavs, I think it safe to say that nobody wants to come play in Dallas right now.

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  66. Give us some data, please! by tswinzig · · Score: 2

    It gets somewhere between 144 to 230 kbps

    Can you do some tests and give us real world numbers?

    The only thing that's been kinda sucky so far is the slow upload speeds

    How slow? I was under the impression the technology was full duplex. It's not?

    Have you tried using the PC card in your desktop computer for internet access?

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    1. Re:Give us some data, please! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      3G is not full duplex, at least not for UMTS. The CDMA solution is probably similar.

      The UMTS implementation uses shared channels in the downlink direction. This is ideal for services like web browsing, downloading e-mail, get streaming content, etc. Your mobile may never even get a dedicated channel when you are using data services.

      One reason for this is that it is easier to manage your radio resources in the downlink direction. The network knows all of the codes in use in the downlink direction and it can allocate orthogonal codes (codes that do not interfere with each other) and manage them so adjacent base stations do not interfere with each other.

  67. yeah well by tswinzig · · Score: 2

    In Soviet Russia, wireless technology transmits YOU at high speed!

    (Sorry, I don't even know where this joke comes from.)

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    1. Re:yeah well by kliment · · Score: 1

      only the true IN SOVIET RUSSIA should be allowed to post these

  68. Re:Obligatory... by zannox · · Score: 1

    Can you ping me now?

    Good

    Can you ping me now?

    Good

    Can you.......SIGNAL FADED!

    DAMN

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  69. GSM Playing Catch-up to CDMA by cscordo · · Score: 2, Informative

    CDMA (2G) -> CDMA-2000(3G) GSM (2G) -> WCDMA(3G) Its funny how these GSM-based 3G technologies are achieving these technical milestones now, while CDMA-based technologies (ie. CDMA-2000) have been commercially deployed for months at much cheaper costs, and much greater flexibility. A testament to the ongoing wireless industry debate between GSM and CDMA. The way it looks right now, GSM-based carriers are going to have a much more expensive and difficult time evolving their networks; especially in Europe, where the 3G migration path was mandated by the European Commission years ago in an effort to protect all of the European companies supporting (and making huge revenues off of) GSM. Now that a better way to 3G exists (ie. CDMA-2000, based off of CDMA), European carriers can't switch technologies and are finding it near impossible to keep up with the evolving pace of CDMA-2000. Euro-carrier Orange all but scrapped their 3G plans today due to mounting costs and complexities of developing WCDMA networks. Its the reason why NTT Docomo (Japanese carrier) is now getting blown away by their competitor(s) in Japan, when 2 years ago they led the market. The same reason why Europe has gone from first to last in terms of carrier technology and services. Some really good thoughts on the GSM vs. CDMA topic from people who know way more than me: http://denbeste.nu/cd_log_entries/2002/10/GSM3G.sh tml http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?s=f5b64 b062368aae582d6f4f7895ce712&threadid=73028

    1. Re:GSM Playing Catch-up to CDMA by cscordo · · Score: 1

      (sorry about fat-fingering the original post's format; this should be more legible)

      CDMA (2G) -> CDMA-2000(3G)
      GSM (2G) -> WCDMA(3G)

      Its funny how these 3G GSM-based technologies are achieving these technology milestones now, while CDMA-based technologies (ie. CDMA-2000) have been commercially deployed for months at much cheaper costs, and much greater flexibility. A testament to the ongoing wireless industry debate between GSM and CDMA.

      The way it looks right now, GSM-based carriers are going to have a much more expensive and difficult time evolving their networks; especially in Europe, where the 3G migration path was mandated by the European Commission years ago in an effort to protect all of the European companies supporting (and making huge revenues off of) GSM. Now that a better way to 3G exists (ie. CDMA-2000, based off of CDMA), European carriers can't switch technologies and are finding it near impossible to keep up with the evolving pace of CDMA-2000. Euro-carrier Orange all but scrapped their 3G plans today due to mounting costs and complexities of developing WCDMA networks.

      Its the reason why NTT Docomo (Japanese carrier) is now getting blown away by their competitor(s) in Japan, when 2 years ago they led the market. The same reason why Europe has gone from first to last in terms of carrier technology and services.

      Some really good thoughts on the GSM vs. CDMA topic from people who know way more than me:

      http://denbeste.nu/cd_log_entries/2002/10/GSM3G. sh tml
      http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?s= f5b64 b062368aae582d6f4f7895ce712&threadid=73028

  70. get service first by sickmtbnutcase · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What good does this new-fangled crap get me when I can't even get decent reception, much less any reception, when I'm back home? (right betwen Eau Claire and LaCrosse, Wisconsin). Get service(digital-2G) in > 95% of the US and then worry about other shit. I know a lot of people who would get cell phones if they could just get decent(if any) reception. They're missing out, from what I see, as a lot of potential customers. But, there must not be enough possible customers to turn a profit by introducing digital service in certain areas....so we'll just have more hicks without cell phones for a little while longer.

  71. Re:moving to dallas... by trybywrench · · Score: 1

    I've been living in DFW for about 8 years. Its not that bad except in summer when the roads melt and the highways catch on fire ( not kidding about either! ). There's enough technology to keep nerds pacified. Richardson has a lot of cool companies and if you are one of those hippie " big corporations are evil" types there are some small cool tech. shops in Deep Ellum which is a small arts/music/bar/tatoo parlor community just East of downtown. I live in Deep Ellum and it's pretty cool, easy access to alcohol and local music and the CO is 2-3 blocks from just about any loft building so DSL is available and fast.

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  72. Re:get service first...and more switch capacity by zerofoo · · Score: 2

    Yeah, try making a long distance call between 4:30pm and 6:30pm during the week. Forget about it! It seems most carriers (wireless and land line) have stopped building out capacity and kept on adding subscribers. The voice networks are stretched to the breaking point.

    I'm not asking for the world...I live in central NJ, I just want to be able to call PA or North Jersey. It's hard to believe that there isn't enough capacity to allow that.

    Now I can't even make reliable voice calls...do you think for one minute unsatisfied cellular customers are going to spring for spotty, slow data services....YEAH RIGHT, KEEP DREAMING!

    -ted

  73. You've gotta see it first by mbkkelsey · · Score: 1
    I realize that some people say there's no demand for 3G yet, and that's what I used to think to, that it was just a bunch of useless technology. Then I got to visit the ITU Telecom Asia conference this past week, where NTT DoCoMo, SK Telecom and others were exhibiting their wares. Besides the usual wireless broadband internet application, they had lots of novel uses for their phones - most of which were full-color, hi-res, built-in camera.

    NTT was featuring a sort of Vindigo for your phone - it would display info about restaurants, cinemas, etc. according to your location. FOMA was demonstrating videoconferencing through a phone. SK Telecom had developed a method to use your phone as a debit card, whereby you would just hold it up to a sensor to pay. Some other company had a way to remotely pay for parking through your phone using a specially-designed parking meter.

    Point is, these technologies really are useful, and you realize this once you've actually had time to play around with them.

  74. UMTS not same as WCDMA by northform · · Score: 1

    Everyone thinks that they are interchangeable names, but they are different. UMTS is not coming to the United States presumably ever. First - What is it? UMTS is the name given to WCDMA when it is in the 2.1GHz spectrum band. That band is occupied in the US with no sign that it will ever be freed up. The US will get WCDMA, bit it will be like our version of GSM: on another frequency that means that we will need to get world phones. God forbid the FCC should open up the frequency that the rest of the world has agreed upon (or at least all of Europe has agreed upon).

  75. Re:What the fuck are you on? by k-hell · · Score: 1

    I'm not on anything. Also, if you read it properly, I said "around" and not "on". There's a difference. However, it is widely recognized that Bluetooth and WLANs are based upon the IEEE 802.11-standard. See here for example.

    Although 802.11 is designed as a communications channel to a host processor running TCP/IP, and Bluetooth defines more communications protocol layers and implements real applications, a Bluetooth device has for instance a unique 48-bit address from the IEEE 802 standard.

  76. Re:troll enclosed: Why move to Dallas? by MImeKillEr · · Score: 1

    That's fine. We don't need anyone else moving here anyway...

    Texas arrogance? You must be from California or somewhere in the north. Texans, for the most part (read "Texan" as anyone whose lived here 5+ years) are pretty laid back. We do, however, react to "imports" that think our cities are L.A. or San Francisco, blab on the phone while driving their shitty imports, are stupid enough to pay $4.50 for a cup of coffee, etc.

    Crappy weather? I've been here 21 years and its snowed a total of 6 times. Sure, we have incredibly hot summers (it got to 117 a couple of years ago) but that helps keep the "import" population in check.

    Low taxes? 8.25% sales tax. No income tax. Need I say more?

    Texas BBQ? Like the shite you get at Shoneys would even qualify as meat...

    Why would anyone move to Dallas? That's a question I'd like answered myself. I've lived there. Its a shithole.

    Mod me as troll if you like, I speak it as I see it.

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  77. Quick rundown of cell standards. by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 2

    First, 2G digital technologies:
    D-AMPS, aka TDMA (latter name not good because GSM is also TDMA) - Used by Cingular and AT&T until recently
    GSM - Used by T-Mobile. Cing and AT&T are rolling out GSM. GSM doesn't seem to handle multiple providers in the same area very well, as numerous T-Mobile customers are complaining about their phones going into "Emergency service only" mode as soon as Cing and AT&T roll out service in their area. Used in Europe by legal mandate.
    cdmaOne - Qualcomm's original CDMA implementation. Used by Sprint PCS, Verizon, Qwest, Telus Mobility in Canada, and (I believe) Centennial Wireless in Mexico.

    2.5G services:
    GPRS - The GSM high-speed data enhancement. 40ish kilobits/sec
    CDMA2000 1xRTT - Evolution of cdmaOne, 144 kilobits max in initial versions, later going into the 200s-300s. Backwards compatible with cdmaOne - cdmaOne handsets work with CDMA2000 networks and vice versa, which allows providers to do partial rollouts for market testing/high-demand areas.

    3G services:
    UMTS - The 3G evolution of GSM. The GSM people realized their modulation scheme was inferior, so moved to a CDMA variant. Unfortunately, almost all the companies with CDMA expertise are behind CDMA2000, which means that the UMTS camp is having trouble getting anything to work well, especially handsets. (Most well-known problem right now is battery life - No mention was made about how long the battery used in this test would've lasted.) NTT DoCoMo rolled out UMTS in Japan, their name is now mud. Completely incompatible with GSM/GPRS. Requires new handsets, new base stations, and new spectrum.
    CDMA2000 1xEV-DO - 3G evolution of Qualcomm's CDMA technology. From what I've heard, like 1xRTT it's backwards-compatible back to cdmaOne. i.e. a provider rolling out 1xEV-DO doesn't have to upgrade their entire network at once. Already in use in Korea and also I believe by KDDI in Japan (KDDI might only be using 1xRTT - Either way they're mopping up DoCoMo because their service actually works.)

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  78. Upgrade paths by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 2

    cdmaOne (2G) -> CDMA2000 1xRTT (2.5G) -> CDMA2000 1xEV-DO (3G) - Seamless upgrade path, CDMA2000 handsets work with cdmaOne networks and vice versa.

    Now, for GSM...
    GSM (2G) -> GPRS (2.5G) -> dead end
    scratch -> UMTS (3G)

    UMTS and GSM/GPRS are completely different technologies with no relation whatsoever. For a carrier to upgrade to UMTS, they must upgrade their entire network and upgrade all handsets. They need new spectrum too. OUCH. Essentially, they have to start from scratch as if they were a brand new provider. CDMA providers can upgrade as needed. See Verizon's Express Network - They are slowly rolling out CDMA2000 city by city, but they don't have to upgrade everything at once, since CDMA2000 users will still be able to make voice and low-speed data calls even on the old network.

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  79. What's your provider? by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 2

    I live in central NJ (Bridgewater/Martinsville) and I'm perfectly happpy with my cell service with Verizon.

    If you're using T-Mobile or Sprint, maybe you should just get a decent provider. If you look at their coverage maps, the edge of both of their coverage areas is just a few miles west of where I live... That's PITIFUL that neither carrier can fully cover the most densely populated state in the US.

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    1. Re:What's your provider? by zerofoo · · Score: 2

      I use verizon.

      The issue is switch capacity at the long distance carrier. (I suspect verizon is carrying their own long distance in the north east.)

      I wasn't griping about one specific company; I was speaking about telecommunications in general. The myth of the telecommunications "glut" is just that....a myth.

      There isn't enough fiber (in the right locations) and their aren't enough companies with the ability to build a larger, more competitive, voice/data infrastructure. That's why T1s and T3s are still relatively expensive.

      Telcos are wringing every last drop out of their networks...to the breaking point. If a disaster occurs and many people rush to use the communications networks, society and the telcos are going to realize that their communications networks as they stand now will crack under the load.

      -ted

  80. Or blame Worldcom by cyberformer · · Score: 2
    I don't have the link right now (try Google news if you're interested) but there have been accusations that Worldcom helped to bankrupt Metricom.

    Essentially, the charge is that Worldcom massively over-charged Metricom for backhaul bandwidth, while failing to re-sell the service as it was supposed to. Worldcom was also a major stock-holder in Metricom, which enabled it to ensure that contracts always favored it.

  81. 802.11 by kliment · · Score: 1

    I didn't know it had anything to do with bluetooth. In fact, bluetooth conflicts with other 802.11 technologies (WiFi) as they occupy the same frequency ranges

  82. Last Post! by alpg · · Score: 1

    "Yo, Mike!"
    "Yeah, Gabe?"
    "We got a problem down on Earth. In Utah."
    "I thought you fixed that last century!"
    "No, no, not that. Someone's found a security problem in the physics
    program. They're getting energy out of nowhere."
    "Blessit! Lemme look... Hey, it's
    there all right! OK, just a sec...
    There, that ought to patch it. Dist it out, wouldja?"
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