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Angry Spirited Away Fans Strike Back
peter_gzowski writes "Anime News Network is reporting that, 'The Japanese consumers in the Kyoto and Hyogo prefectures of Japan have filed a lawsuit against Walt Disney Japan over the red tint on the Japanese DVD release of Spirited Away.' Japanese consumers who purchased the Spirited Away DVD were very disappointed when they discovered a red tint to the film. A hundred thousand consumers complained, but Buena Vista Home Entertainment Japan (a subsidiary of Walt Disney) pretended nothing was wrong with the disc. The original source of news of the suit can be found (in Japanese) at Mainichi. No response from Disney yet."
I bet this will leave Disney red faced ;-)
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Does this say something about Buena Vista, Disney, the Japanese, or what?
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I think Hayao Miyazaki didn't notice the problem with the red tint in his movie for obvious reasons. ;-)
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Japan vs. Disney: Spirited Away DVD lawsuit (articles,anime) (rejected)
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You were forgetting that titles with "Strike Back" in them have always had a special meaning to nerds.
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The article states: They claim that, after analyzing the DVD, they found that its color balance was biased towards red.
Anyone have any ideas how this happened? It doesn't seem like it's one of those things that "just happens". It sounds to me like someone in the DVD production group seriously goofed and it was missed by the QA team. If that's the case, it's a pretty amazing oversight... I'd love to hear the opinions of those who know more about video production than I.
That was in thousands of people -- 126,926 *thousand* people, or ~127 million people.
Disney had a similar problem with "Pocahontas" a few years ago, with thousands of Americans complaining about a "red tint" in the film.
These complaints stopped, however, when Disney admitted they were trying to portray "Native Americans". Consumers were simply mistaken -- the rest of the movie suggested they were Americans of European descent.
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Apart from the other arguments, this suddenly reminded me of something I read when I was a kid. Apparently, according to the article, a lot of japanese have more sensitive eyes than most europeans (caucasian, white etc, this is not meant as a racist comment) and can detect subtle differences in hues of a colour that others don't. The article talked about japanese pearl divers being able to see subtle off-whites in the pearls and seperate them according to quality.
The point is: Are Disney's people in Japan mostly beefy white Americans? Is it possible that they literaly can't see the red tint in the DVD?
I've had a similar experience once when designing a website, and a guy from marketing kept wanting fucking wierd oranges and other strange hues until we discovered that he was colourblind.
My source disagrees. It looks more like 126 million... not thousand.
yes I see that now boy is my face red :)
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I thought that seemed way to low, that is my punishment for reading slashdot so damn early in the morning. Either way though I would still like to see what this looks like that is still a lot of complaints all things considered.
BTW what are you doing clicking on the links this is slashdot man you don't read articles or links you just post post post away
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i have the region 2 (japanese) of spirited away--but it's still shrink-wrapped, so i can't give a first-person account :P nevertheless, here are plenty of firsthand accounts of the red tint.
on the same forum there is another thread reporting that the publisher of the korean release (dec 7) has announced that it will not have the red tint--although i'm not sure how that's been arranged. this seems to be a pretty severe acknowledgement of the red tint problem if the report is true.
Sample picture
I have no knowledge about the problem, just passing on the link I found. The effect is somewhat subtle from a single image, but I bet it's much worse when you watch the whole movie. Seems quite possible that the shirt on the right should be white.
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From the mail :
"(...) Sen to Chihiro no Kamikakushi (Spirited Away)" is a digitally-animated movie produced by Studio Ghilbli, and its full-digital frames were designed and produced on computers. The coloration of the master for the DVD and VHS was strictly supervised/approved by Studio Ghibli's color designers and DP/Cinematographer.
The "Spirited Away" DVD/VHS was produced through an entirely novel procedure in mastering, and both Studio Ghibli and Buena Vista Home Entertainment Japan believe the quality of the DVD/VHS to be the best and the most faithful in terms of reproducing the original movie under the given circumstances.
As for the trailers on Disc 2, they have been included solely for the purpose of providing necessary information on the film, and because of this nature, it was not specifically color-corrected. Consequently, some differences in coloration may be detected between the same scene on the trailers on Disc 2 and the main feature on Disc 1. We assure the highest standard of quality control has been maintained on the manufacturing of both DVD and VHS, but differences in coloration may be detected depending on the type of equipment and/or the settings of the system being used.
That's their explanation at least.
(snicker) I agree with all of your reasoning, except for the Japan=nowhere,Nebraska bit.
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I took that screen shot that is floating around and just ran it through Photoshop 7's 'Auto Color' options and this is the result!
http://www.digitald.uk.com/storage/s-away-red.jpg
Just found some screenshots with comparisons. IT looks pretty bad, but not worth what they're asking in the lawsuit.
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You're all mistaken, that's just the latest copy protection Disney came up with. Now they have a list of 100,000 consumers that they can sue for DMCA infringement ;)
Why are they asking for a replacement plus eighty dollars?
Has it caused them emotional and psychological distress to that degree?
Surely a replacement and legal expenses would be more reasonable...
You mean apart from the bit that says "both Studio Ghibli and Buena Vista Home Entertainment Japan believe the quality of the DVD/VHS to be the best and the most faithful in terms of reproducing the original movie under the given circumstances."?
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You need to look more closely at that data - you are missing a few zeros.
There is a distinction between just 'inferior' and defective.
People with Brown eyes(on average) are less sensitive to flicker than people with blue or green eyes by about 5-10hz. (not sure about grey eyes).
The internet's a bit lacking on information, so here's some info on colour sensitivity...
Sensitivity to Color:
Different areas of human eyes have different sensitivity to color. For example, the eye is not sensitive to color at the periphery. It is only possible to discriminate between colors only +_60 of the straight head position. The color awareness range is about 90 to the straight head position. The eye is least sensitive to red, green, and yellow at the periphery. Thus when designing interface for large screen, blue would make a good background color.
The front of the eyes is more sensitive to red, green, and yellow. If we put small blue objects on the screen, which will usually be in the front of the eye, these objects will tend to disappear form the screen.
Discernment of color differences:
Eye is also least sensitive to changes in the shades of blue. It is very sensitive to changes in the shades of red. Eye is sensitive to the differences between colors in various degrees and the discernment of color differences is not uniform across the spectrum.
The eyes need to refocus for the colors, which are not near on the spectrum. Thus it would be difficult (tiring) for human eye to focus if red and blue are placed together.
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
Um, you can sue a restaurant where the food tastes lousy, or (more relevantly) if it's not what they described on the menu, if they charge you for it before you have a chance to see or taste it, and if they then refuse to remedy it. Once they have your money, they have an obligation to deliver what they promised, and if they refuse to do so, the courts are your final resort.
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I don't know if you're just trolling, but I felt that I had to reply.
You say "stop buying it" is the solution, and not a lawsauit. But what about those that have already bought the DVD? They have already given their money to Buena Vista/Disney. Stop buying is not an option for them.
You continue on to compare it to a restaurant. In most restaurants I know of, you eat first, and pay later. If the food is not satisfactory, you take it up with the manager or restaurateur or who ever may be in charge. Chanses are, you won't have to pay, and perhaps even get an apology for the lousy food you've just been served. At least they will try to rectify the situation, even if that means just giving you a new dish, hopefully better prepared/cooked.
In this very case, Buena Vista states that the redish tint is normal, and they have no reason to give you your money back. They have it, and the only thing left to do is to sue them.
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That idea would be fine if you were allowed to view the movie *before* you buy it and then make an informed decision about your purchase. You are right that a company has every right to decide the quality of their product. At the same time consumers have a right to know what they are buying. If they are not given the right to know what they are buying they should have the right to ask for a return on their money.
I think it's hilarious that the free market includes buying things and getting shafted, but not going to court to settle grievances. I hate to break it to the capitalist and pseudolibertarian free-trade lovers but anytime you sell something within the jurisdiction of a court, you may find yourself subject to a legitimate lawsuit.
To suggest that, merely by being producers in the market, businesses are exempt from answering for their torts disingenuously implies that they are somehow not a part of the social system within which they chose to do business. If a law was broken I see no reason a business shouldn't have to answer for it.
The market is one avenue for redress, indeed, but that's no reason to utterly deprecate legal remedies.
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Yes the given curcumstances... hmmm Given the circumstances that they fucked up and produced a dvd with a red tint, the quality of the disc is the best and most faithful in terms of reproducing the original movie.
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The early CIE eye tristimulus models (the figures for spectral sensitivities of the eye's red, green, and blue detectors used in the CIE standard colour spaces) are still based on a very small sample of people. I beleve the first standards were based on only 17 people, all white, male Europeans. Even now, I think most standards are based on a sample of a little over four hundred people.
Why? Well, you cannot easily measure the tristimulus directly, so you have to get each of your subjects to match a lot of colours to characterise their eye's sensitivity over the whole spectrum. Then each person has a different yellow spot on their eye - the size and the density can vary quite a bit - so there is a fair amount of natural scatter. The case for natural tetrachromats claims the women's eye red response is bimodal, but when you see the tristimulus functions plotted out, it is really hard to see the evidence for it.
We do not have to rely on western figures. The Japanese had independently worked on colour science. The Ishihara who did the eye test patterns (he hand-painted the first ones using watercolours) did some measurements. But, again the populations measured were fairly small.
On the other hand, we know that the ability to remember and perceive colours is greatly affected by experience, and even the words used to describe colours. Tests on Bornean tribesmen that had separate words for yellowish-green (Wor) and bluish-green (Nol) were relatively better at remembering and distinguishing contrasts between these two colours then some other pairs of colours that the rest of us would find more easy. Now Japanese uses 'akai' for bright red paint, but also for skin colour (usually in connection with emotions), and brown shoe colour. Brown is usually 'chairo', which is 'tea-colour' but they also use 'kitsune-iro' (fox color) and 'tsuchi-iro' (earth-colour). If we are familiar with tomato red, brown, ochre, and brick red, we are bound to respond to colours and colour contrasts differently, but this does not mean we see them differently.
So, are Eastern and Western eyes different? The figures we have would suggest that you would not be able to identify the race of a person by their eye response - we are much more alike then we are different. If we measured a few tens of thousands of people, we might be able to drag some systematic difference out of the noise. But I don't think we could tell whether it was a genetic difference of a cultural difference, even then.
The pink cast on the DVD is much bigger than these differences. It's clearly an error. The suppliers ought to have offered a replacement DVD. Next time, they might. Give 'em hell, fellas, gambatte kudasai!
I don't know what happened and don't have the DVD but I've seent he original a few times.
Maybe it's a copy protection experiment.
Maybe it's a wierd attempt to (over)compensate for a phenomenon that is real in the still photo world - popualr images and the characteristics of print film make for much stronger red in U.S. film (e.g. Kodak especially when used in people shots) and much stronger blue in Japan.
Maybe it's a massive screwup (no kidding)
Maybe it's an attempt by Disney to hurt Ghibli (wouldn't put it past them)
Maybe it was made with a cutting edge "superior" technology that unfortunately looks like utter crap on most sets and nobody every tried it at home before going to print
At any rate those screenshots look like utter crap in comparison to the original film and what is considered reasonable in Japan.
The fact that our eyes can barely detect color in our peripherary vision is not common sense to most people.. we assume that we can see color in our peripherary because it "seems" that we retain that color information.
But try this: tell your friend to bring an object from the left or right of you, deep in your periphary vision, and tell him to move it up and down, and come less and less deep in your peripherary vision.. tell him to stop when you can see the movement out of the corner of your eye. I'm willing to bet that you can't tell what color it is (at this point I've had my brain fool me by thinking it's definitely one color, when it turns out to be somehting totatlly different).
Here is some screen shots. (in Japanese web page, but you don't need to read to see the picture ;-)
I saw one at my friend's house. It really looks terrible!
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believe the quality of the DVD/VHS to be the best and the most faithful in terms of reproducing the original movie
Maybe somebody needs to remove the rose-colored glasses.
Off-color movies are made by amateurs and some of the old color stuff made with inferior film and lighting.
In anticipation of it getting Slashdotted, I have made available a reduced-size copy of a DVD screen capture that shows the reddish tint.
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You have explained that potential consumers have no right to complain, but not those who have already put down their hard-earned money to get a reproduction of the excellent film they saw in theartres. Sure, if someone buys a sealed, unopened movie they have never seen before, one could say that they are taking their chances at the roulette wheel. However, this was an incredibly popular movie in Japan (where Myazaki commands as much respect as Spielberg does here), and arguably people were buying a sealed, unopened translation of a previously established product. With a color tint, the film is obviously damaged, similar to the sorts of discoloration one would see if they were to submerge a VHS tape in chlorinated pool water. This is not the "Perfect" translation of the product they were shown in the theartre, or even what one would call a "reasonable" translation.
Not every business has the right to produce inferior products. Brake pad manufacturers don't. House builders don't. Disney may have the right to stamp "premium" on an obviously broken translation of an incredible movie, but we as consumers also have the right to sue the greedy bastards for our money back + gas, food, and tolls.
Don't be so quick to abandon your rights as a human being. The market has but one hand of god.
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Your figure (127'000) is probably quite an accurate count for the number of people rushing through Tokyos Shinjuku station at any given second.
(For those who haven't experienced it yet, Shinjuku is the worlds busiest subway station with some 68 entrances or exits and on 7 or so levels ...)
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Jeez, they all must have been following me around the entire 8 months I was there, since I could have sworn that there were often that many people within about a square mile of me last time I went.
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Yeah, but now imagine that the company that supplied that tape had been informed six months ago that the same problem occurred in all its products, and still refused to do jack shit about it.
They're not after the money for themselves (hell, 10000 yen doesn't buy a hell of a lot in Japan - the FotR DVD special edition goes for around 8000 yen here), but rather to prevent Buena Vista or other companies from pulling the same trick again.
The whole scene is skewed: R:141 G:119 B:63.
Worse is Haku's (boy on the right) shirt, supposed to be white: R:244 G:183 B:136
This looks like the white balance was pushed all the way to 6000K
Originally I was on your side, the woman was clearly stupid. The more I read about the case, I'd say the AC was more correct. What happened, by your ladder analogy, is that they got in a rush to sell ladders. The ladders (in this analogy) do not come preassembled. Assembling a ladder correctly requires putting 32 rungs between the supports. They got in a rush and put 64 rungs in the ladder (twice as high as normal). You took the first step onto the ladder, step on a non-anchored rung, fall and gash your head. You indeed have a lawsuit, they injured you by putting TOO MUCH of the component (in the McDonalds case, too hot). Coffee is supposed to be hot. Coffee is not supposed to be scalding. Its the differences between getting a cup of soup that burns your tongue a little on the first sip, and getting a cup of soup that causes BLISTERS on your tongue at the first sip. There is a range of acceptable heat and a range of danger.
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Does that mean we can go ahead and sue WB for the faulty green tint on The Matrix DVD?
A typicaly Miyazaki DVD goes for over 4000 yen (~$30 given current exchange rates) at most retail stores, slightly under that if you shop around for a "discount" place online or go somewhere like Don Quixote.
That's still a 5000-6000 yen difference between what they paid and what they're asking for. I suspect that the amount might actually be some "padding" to take into account the typically very small awards most lawsuit winners end up receiving. I remember seeing a news story about a town where entire families have been mutilated and diseased due to the presence of a chemical plant dumping straight into the ocean (they had a pipe running straight from the factory to the shore) where each victim ended up with ~$10k for a lifetime of heinous suffering and deformity.
I happened to be in Japan when this DVD was released and picked it up, took it home and watched it, and never noticed anything but my TV auto-adjusts the color balance. I also saw it in the theater when it came out in Japan, but it was so long before the DVD release that I can't really remember if there was a tint or not.
I own the Japanese version of the DVD and if I hadn't seen the screenshot comparisions, I would have NEVER noticed the red tint. In Japan, Spirited Away is the highest grossing film ever, so everyone's seen the movie in the the theatre and that's from where they've probably noticed the difference. Are they right in getting upset?? I would think if the same sort of thing happened here, we'd have a similiar reaction from our own "movie purists".
Indeed, I really want to know why they did this - accidental or if not then why.
I want to know if they did this. It's really hard to take a class action lawyer's word for it. Is there a screen shot somewhere?
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For your inquiry to these technical issues on "Spirits Away" DVD, we have made official inquiries to both Buena Vista Home Entertainment and Studio Ghbli, to which they answered as follows:
Buena Vista Home Entertainment and its source said, "Spirits Away" and its cell frames are designed and produced with full-digital composite. Making and striking the master for the dvd was strictly supervised by the studio and Director of Photography. Therefore they believe the quality contained in the dvd and video is the best one they could get under the given circumstances.
Studio Ghbli said that they did not use the data that was used in theatrical releasing prints of the film, but they used the newly mastered DVD/Video digital data in consideration with the fact that the DVD should be played on Liquid Crystal TV or Plasma TV, so should be no problem for its quality. As for the trailers on the DVD, it might not be color corrected for the DVD format so it might slightly be different from what you see in the DVD feature it they are the same scene.
As you see, those people responsible for the creation of the DVD said they themselves were supervising the color correction and decided it should be OK. We cannot do anything about it.
Hope this could help you understand and clear up the doubt that you have right now.
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Whether you like Disney or not, you have to admit that for many decades they were a quality brand. This showed up in many ways. They have been far more punctilious than other studios about preserving their films (sure, it's paid off in endless re-releases, but it's still a "quality" move).
Richard Schickel, in "The Disney Version," says that even in the forties Disney kept a tight rein on Disney-character-merchandise licensees. Many parents have observed that--whether or not you think the stuff is any good, anything with Mickey Mouse on it has always been durable and well-made. (In the seventies when the kids were little the "word" was that "that Winnie-the-Pooh stuff (from Sears) wears like iron.")
The theme parks are, or used to be, so well maintained that after a day in one you started to ache for the sight of mashed chewing-gum or a candy wrapper. Perfect paint jobs on all the rides, painted scenery in the rides with dozens of subtle pastels like the background paintings in a classic Disney cartoon...
And the home videos were always of good quality, too. Not that you noticed it much--it's the sort of thing that you don't notice unless there's a problem.
This is very, very strange. It doesn't sound like Disney at all. They used to be very careful stewards of their brand.
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If the people in charge of the mastering process say that the end result DVD is exactly what they were making, could it possibly be that they're not lying? Maybe (for some odd reason) they chose to make things more red for a "warmer" glow to the picture? They are, after all, the only ones who have the authority to say what's true and what is not; any one else who argues with them therefore must be wrong. It's either that, or they just expect you to turn down the red hue on your TV, which is silly.
I don't think Disney will try to pull this stunt on us for the eventual Region 1 DVD release of Spirited Away that will probably come some time in 2003.
Mostly because here in the USA we have a huge number of folks with 32" or larger CRT televisions and an increasing number of folks with projection TV sets--any hint of a reddish tint on the Region 1 DVD release of Spirited Away will cause Disney to be read the riot act in a New York minute and then some.
What mega-corporation do you think *owns* Buena Vista?
I'll give you one hint: It has a mouse as it's mascot.
Whoever stated that signature sizes should be limited to one hundred and twenty characters can just go ahead and kiss my
So basiclly if you have a 15,000 tv you should have no problems with this DVD. Does anyone else see the flaw in this logic here?
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Actually, i'm not really that suprised that they fucked it up, i'm just amazed that they actually got around to releasing it in the first place.
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And customers who have been told that they are buying a product of the highest quality have the right to sue when they in fact have received a product of dubious quality. When pirate versions of a movie have higher quality than the ones you buy legitimately, you know that there is a problem.
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Again, I definitely defend Disney's right to create a hundred thousand unhappy customers, just as I'd defend the right of United to deliver bad service at high prices and go bankrupt.
My comment was ironic, fgs. Anyhow, what happened to the color adjustment buttons that used to make TV such fun?
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From the article:
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Now if you have worked with computer monitors, TVs, and broadcast standards at all, you should have heard about RGB, NTSC, and PAL.
RGB is the way that computer signals are sent. It is a pure encoding of the percentage of Red, Green, and Blue to display at some location (based on the current beam position and timing).
NTSC (used in the US) encodes the information in YIQ color space. When color TVs were invented, they decided to keep backwards compatibilty with B/W tv's. Thanks to a bit of math that is beyond the scope of a /. post, the red waveform was distorted and other colors are clipped, so that red becomes more intense, and pure yellow, cyan, red, and blue are all impossible to get. Red becomes more intense than the RGB display, and blue is muted.
PAL (used everywhere else) encodes the information in YUV color space, or YPbPr. In this case, where again, scaling and TV hardware result in different color than the RGB that computer monitors display.
So when the distributors say "the DVD should be played on Liquid Crystal TV or Plasma TV, so should be no problem for its quality" what they mean is We didn't convert RGB to the YUV or YIQ color space either because they forgot (what customers say) or because they meant it to be viewed on an RGB display (what the studio is saying).
Is that a real problem? Most people who have to deal with broadcasts say 'no' because your TV is supposed to have a tint and hue knob that you can frobnicate until you get the desired colors.
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Anyway, I had heard that there was a slight red tint before I got the disc, but HOLY COW was it noticeable. I don't buy for a second that it was intentional, for two reasons:
1) The "balanced for Plasma and LCD screens" excuse is bullshit. If Plasma and LCD screens displayed a different white balance or color gamut than CRTs, then no one would want them. I'm tempted to make an unaltered DVD-R of the film and take it over to the Fry's and try it out on their big Plasma TVs, but I know what the outcome would be.
2) The "we wanted a warmer look for the film" excuse doesn't fly, either. This is because even the Studio Ghibli logo at the beginning of the feature is way off. The other six Ghibli DVDs I have all have the same, pure blue Ghibli logo at the beginning. This one was more of a coral color; it's clearly a different color. After adjusting the color balance in the rest of the film back to Earth standards, surprise -- the logo looked normal.
So, in case anybody else is as much of a freak, here's how I corrected the color on my copy, using TMPGEnc:
Using TMPGEnc's "Custom Color Correction":
RGB Brightness (0, 28, 46)
RGB Contrast (0, 71, 134)
RGB Contrast 0 base (-10, 0, 0)
Basic Setting (0, 0, -10, 0, 0)
YUV Saturation (18)
That gets the picture very close to the original, as compared to the non-red-shifted trailer included on the Spirited Away DVD and Kiki's Delivery Service DVD.
Hey, there's another thought: maybe there's nothing wrong with the color -- maybe we're all just moving away from the TV really fast.
I wonder whether the lawsuit will do anything for non-Japanese residents...
That looks like crap.
Haku's (boy on the right) shirt should be very white. The flowers and leaves in the garden are brilliant colours compared to the flat tones of this screen capture.
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The overall tint of the universe that was recently discovered...
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I thought you were perhaps referring to the fact that Miyazaki was for a good deal of his life a Marxist. I'm surprised I have heard little mention of this... Any good biography will note how much of an influence communism had on Miyazaki's life.
you're an American though, right? No one expects Americans to even know where Canada is, let alone the approximate population of Japan. So, you're forgiven.
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Waz this "Canada" you speak of? That whar they all talk funny?
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