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Gnome 2.0 Officially Available For Solaris
MoonRider writes "Today, Sun Microsystems announced the availability of the GNOME 2.0 Desktop for the Solaris Operating Environment.
You could already download beta versions of the Gnome 2.0 desktop but this is the "official" release that will replace CDE as the default desktop for the Solaris operating system. You can get it on the Sun website."
You could already download beta versions of the Gnome 2.0 desktop but this is the "official" release that will replace CDE as the default desktop for the Solaris operating system. You can get it on the Sun website."
First posts you!
My Ass hurts.
gnome is you
I ditched CDE a long time ago. Even twm was better. Using Gnome is a smart move on Sun's part.
If tits were wings it'd be flying around.
Gnome 1.4 is very nice. 2.0 still has a long way to go. I wish they wouldn't turn off so many Solaris users by giving them something half-baked. Then again, if they're willing to put up with CDE, they're probably willing to use _anything_.
(CDE walking towards exit on plane, cue SNL bit from a few years ago ...)
buh-bye
Anyone know if there is any chacne of getting this setup on a sun ray with our having root privlidges? What about if there was a 100meg disk quota?
CDE on a class a acount sucks big time.
Thanks -
That SUN is finally replacing the archaic CDE. However, there seems to be a pretty large gap in release time. GNOME 2.2 is almost out. Will it be "officially" released for Solaris onc GNOME 2.4 comes out? I don't think Sun is doing a service to Solaris users here by using such a old version. One could argue that they made sure that everything is stable, but the fact is that GNOME 2.2 itself has more bug fixes from GNOME 2.0.
I really do wonder what took the people at Sun so long to realise they should replace CDE with something "fresher". Frankly I think CDE was getting a little bit outdated. Hopefully this'll put Solaris closer to the people ;)
I was getting really tired of having to use CDE on Solaris workstations. Gnome is a major improvement.
I wonder what sort of impact this will have on the usage and adoption of Solaris for workstation use?
Now before any die-hards come bickering about how "CDE works for them" let me tell you how much it sucks. It sucks worse than Windows 2.0 did back in the 80. The interface is horrid. In fact, it sucks so bad, it just might put local prostitutes out of business. Thank you, I'll be here all week.
...not that Solaris is "bad"...
But who would have ever thought five years ago that the predominant commercial *NIX flavor would be adopting the GUI of it's open source competition?
Hopefully, little goodies like a Gnome Package Manager, an RPM like interface for package installation will be included or coming shortly.
Funny thing is that I am bringing a Solaris 8 box up to life as an AMPS (Apache MySQL PHP Solaris) box this week, so I guess this little gem will have to be part of the roll-out!
Can anyone remind me why Sun chose GNOME over KDE or any other desktop environment? Was it because RedHat has adopted GNOME as their default desktop, or they liked the look of Ximian GNOME? Because I can't really believe that they chose GNOME purely on technical reasons.
Let me defend my last comment - I'm not a KDE or GNOME user, so I don't see one as being evil and the other as good or anything. But I do think that the duplication of effort is a sad waste of effort (I know why RMS started GNOME, and he kinda had a point, but still...)
Anyway, did Sun choose GNOME because it's more "enterprise-friendly" (ie, you can get support from Ximian)? I never heard much discussion on this point and I'm rather curious. (I'm also glad that they chose to adopt on of the main-stream Linux desktops.)
This sig intentionally left bla... dammit!
Who's got the whiteout?
the gnome. solaris seems to be bound to bad desktops. kde is far better and much more user friendly.
The war with islam is a war on the beast
The war on terror is a war for peace
A gnome created Solaris!
It's true!
5 -- Footprint logos are way cooler than green dragons
4 -- Your KDE installation died
3 -- 2.0 is the same version number as your Linux kernel installation
2 -- If Stallman uses it, it's gotta be good
1 -- You'd rather embrace Evolution than Jesus
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Motif/CDE's design philosophy could be boiled down to one phrase: "Make everything look 3D except the menubar!"
... if it's "in" it must be on, unless the light source is the lower right corner of the screen ... then ... ummm ... wait.)
Remember when checkbuttons and radiobuttons could only be differentiated by innie/outtie appearance? (Now let's see
I always thought XView was clever and a lot more user-friendly: you'd be paging through a huge document by clicking in the scrollbar. And when the thumb got too close, it'd warp the pointer for you so you didn't have to pay attention to the interface elements, just the content. Smart.
Oh well, at least GNOME's quite a bit prettier.
I'm using KDE on solaris at the moment...
Is GNOME2 any better?
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I just got done trying out this release of GNOME on a SunBlade 150 (550 MHz UltraSPARC II, 512 MB RAM, PGX-64 graphics). It works and it's kinda snazzy, but it's mighty slow. I don't know if it's the fault of my low end hardware or maybe the software itself, but this beast really makes my machine chug.
While Motif has often been considered bloated in the past, CDE (which is Motif based) runs like a champ on this machine. The look and feel is pretty stark, but it does the job and is easy on my hardware.
Hopefully Sun will have GNOME zipping along by the time 2.1 ships. I would imagine there are still many tweaks that can be implemented.
is here. Posting AC so not to be a KW (karma whore :-)
isn't a gnome about the same thing as a troll??
Please read this message at http://wwws.sun.com/software/star/gnome/get/#downl oad: /usr/lib/gnome-print-manager-remote
a security vulnerability in the GNOME Print Manager could allow unauthorized reading of files. To resolve this issue, after installation of GNOME 2.0, execute the following command (as root user):
chmod u-s
"Trespassing and stealing again, you little rascal! You'll pay for those mushrooms with your hide this time."
Frodo woke with a start. It took him a moment to remember where he was; in bed with Sam. In Rivendell. Funny that he should be dreaming about Farmer Maggot's mushrooms here. He lay for awhile listening to Sam's gentle snoring next to him. He wanted to go back to sleep himself, but he was wide awake now, restless. And for some reason, extremely tense. He tried to relax and let the night sounds of Rivendell quiet him: the soft wind in the branches of the trees, the chirping of insects, the ever present song of rushing water. Nope, not working.
"What's the matter with me?" he thought. He and Sam already had a nice round of love making that night. Yes, very nice. It was always 'nice.' Still there was this insistent nagging in his groin. He wasn't restless, he was frustrated. He was missing something.
He hated to think that. Making love with Sam truly was precious to him. He had wanted it for so long, and it had been such a blessing to finally get to a place where they could explore their love in a physical way. But still, Frodo couldn't help but think that something was missing. Sam was just so...gentle. It wasn't a bad thing, but he was just too careful, like he thought Frodo might break if his touch ever went beyond a light caress. But there was an ache in Frodo's skin that Sam just wasn't reaching.
And Frodo wasn't at all sure that he could ever ask Sam for what he really wanted.
He rolled over, putting his back to Sam, and letting his mind drift back to the dream that woke him. Rough hands seizing him by the arm, gruff voice threatening his tender skin. He began rocking back and forth slightly as the heat in the pit of his stomach crept steadily down his thighs. "Stop it, stop it, stop it," he chastised himself.
But it was no use. The dream had brought down the dam, and Frodo's mind and memory were flooded with images of every thrashing he had ever been subjected to as a child.
He had developed a taste for it at an early age, becoming a connoisseur of sorts. The mere sound of the whistle and snap of a switch, or the hardy crack of a strap cunningly handled was almost enough to send him over the edge. They were his first taste of the erotic, before he could fully understand the feelings of fire smoldering in his belly and groin.
He preferred switches to straps, birch being the switch of choice. Sure they stung more at first, but switch welts tended to heal faster than strap bruises. Farmer Maggot had used his belt - Frodo hadn't been able to sit for a week, even though Maggot had whipped him through his pants.
Frodo's reputation for being "one of the worst young rascals in Buckland" was in part due to his willingness to take the blame for things he didn't even do. It all depended on who was dealing out the punishment. Some of Brandy Hall's matrons did a fine job of it, but Frodo found that he much preferred the rough hands and sturdy arm of a seasoned Gaffer. If one of them was calling for a confession of wrongdoing, Frodo almost always gave himself up. His younger cousins and friends all thought him terribly brave and loyal. If they only knew.
Frodo had even made up a game to play with them, Stealing Mushrooms - a form of tag. Whoever was 'It' got to be Farmer Maggot. And whoever he caught got thrashed. Most of his playmates would only give out a few half-hearted thwaps. But Wilibald Brandybuck could really lay it on thick. Wili seemed to enjoy being 'It' and would set to his victims with hearty gusto. One time, he had cornered Frodo behind an old woodshed and actually made him take his pants down before he laid into him with a stick. Good old Wili. Of course, Frodo had pretended to be angry with him for it. It wouldn't do at all for anyone to suspect his secret passion. Besides that, he had needed a reason to beat a hasty retreat back home. Masterbation was increasingly becoming a necessity for him after a sound thrashing.
Bilbo had only beaten him once. Well, one could hardly even call it a 'beating.' Frodo had just entered his 'tweens' when he went to live with Bilbo and immediately began to carry on his reputation as a rascal. But none of his exploits had gotten him whipped, until the day he used the Widow Boffin's washing for target practice. Her clean white sheets blowing on the line in a light June breeze had simply begged to have dirt clods hurled at them. And Frodo was only too willing to oblige.
The Widow Boffin caught him and hauled him up the steps to Bag End by his ear. She hammered on the door. When Bilbo opened it, she shoved Frodo in and proceeded to give Bilbo an earful of strident advice on the proper raising of children.
"It's that Brandybuck influence on the boy, I'll warrant. Uncivilized. You'd better put an end to his hijinks once and for all. If I see him near my yard or my washing again, I'll have old Gamgee thrash him to within an inch of his life."
Poor Bilbo. He had been so flustered. "Now, now. That won't be necessary. Yes, I'll see to it. Yes, I'll take care of it. Of course. Of course. Good day to you, Widow."
Bilbo said nothing to him. Just walked past him into the study, and left him standing in the hall. Frodo wondered what Bilbo was going to do. He was such a mild mannered hobbit. No matter what Frodo did, he never raised his voice or even seemed cross with him. Frodo began to regret besmirching the Widow's laundry, if only for the very disappointed look it brought to dear Bilbo's face. He fidgeted and began to wonder if he shouldn't go find him and apologize. Or something.
Just then, Bilbo called to him. "Frodo my lad, come in here a moment, would you?"
Frodo's stomach knotted. This was decidedly not the fun sport it had been back in Brandy Hall. Slowly he shuffled into the study. Bilbo was seated in a chair facing the open window. The curtains shifted slightly in the breeze and the afternoon sun shone in brightly. It was altogether a cheerful room, and Frodo's favorite room in the hole. But now, it may as well have been a slot leading to a dragon's den for all the reluctance he felt in entering it. Slowly he sidled up to Bilbo, keeping his eyes firmly on the floor.
"See here, my lad." Bilbo began haltingly. "This sort of thing...well, it's just not proper. Behavior I mean. Not for Hobbiton folk. And...well..I suppose you ought to be punished." Bilbo paused a moment before he said, "Alright then...down with them."
"What?" Frodo's face was burning with embarrassment and shame.
"Your trousers. Come on, down with them."
Frodo gawked. Ugh, this was horrible. His hands shook as he unbuttoned his trousers and let them drop only just far enough to expose his backside, keeping a firm hold on the front of them so as not to expose anything else. He glanced uneasily at the open window, hoping with all his might there was nobody out in the garden who might look in.
"I'm going to be sick," he thought.
Bilbo grabbed and pulled him face down over his lap. Then the first crack of his hand came down on bare skin. Frodo's nausea was suddenly overcome by the desire to giggle. He was using his hand? Bilbo was punishing him with a spanking? What, did he think he was 6 years old? Ha!
Bilbo's hand came down on him a second time. This time, the giggles were gone. He bit his lip, hard, to suppress a groan. No, he could not be aroused by this. He tried not to squirm, that only made it worse.
The third smack came, and Frodo's mortification was complete as his penis started to get hard against Bilbo's leg. "Please oh please oh please let this be over quick," he thought.
Just then, Bilbo hauled him up. "Well...I guess that's it then." He jumped up from the chair, then busied himself flipping through papers, rearranging stacked books, avoiding Frodo's eye. "I suppose you've learned your lesson?"
"Yes, Bilbo," Frodo managed to say, quickly buttoning his trousers.
"And you'll behave yourself from now on?"
"Yes, Sir." Oh yes oh yes oh yes. Good as gold from now on.
"Good, good. Well then...just you run along to your room until I call you for supper." Bilbo coughed and fiddled with some more papers, still not looking at Frodo.
Frodo bolted from the study, thankful that Bilbo had relegated him to his room for at least the next hour, where he could relieve the guilty bulge in his pants in private.
And that really had been the last time he was punished for anything. He had never wanted to be in that position with Bilbo again, so he behaved himself admirably from then on. And besides that, even if Wili Brandybuck had been around Hobbiton to play with, he supposed he was getting a little old for games of tag. Or "Stealing Mushrooms."
Even remembering the shame and discomfort of the Bilbo incident was exciting Frodo now. He rolled over and began instinctively rubbing his erection against Sam's leg. Sam's snoring was interrupted. He turned to Frodo and nuzzled his ear.
"Sam?" Frodo whispered.
"Hmm?"
"Let's play a game."
Phew, now I don't have to put up with the clogged servers. Thanks, AC!!
Who the fuck in their right mind uses gnome for any serious work. When youve done playing with its windows 3.1 file dialog, its motif-like widgets, Its bloated filemanager nautilus, and the half baked text editor abi-crap that dosen't support tables, you KNOW why every distro except shit hat installs kde by defualt.
Besides, who wants the names of various monkey anatomy on their desktop.
I hope sun gets a clue and packages kde 3.1 up, since gnome is a total piece of shit, and I know what im talking about, since i have over a years experiance with both, and kde has been the defenitive choice ever since.
Waste your mod points biznitches, TINAT
Great! Now Sun can support that project named after the term for 'monkey' in Mexican - Mono. Then we can run .NET applications on Solaris!! Yipee!!
.NET. bwahahahaaaaa
Conspiracy theory - Miguel is really a Microsoft robot put on the earth to get Sun to 'embrace' Gnome first, and then Mono, after which his kill switch will be activated and Microsoft will 'extend'
Looks like BETA 3 to me. Am I missing something?
Many gtk2 features, particularly the file selection dialog box, are better.
A few of the configuration dialogs haven't been finished, but it is definitly worth the upgrade.
As for giving the something half baked (*cough*SCO UNIX*cough*), why not give them GDM and the choice of using CDE, KDE, GNOME, or TWM?
I apologize for calling SCO UNIX "half baked." This statement was in error, in fact SCO is such a load of useless non-functional crap that I don't consider it UNIX at all. Even OS X is more complete! (I also apologize for comparing OS X to SCO, winshit(my first choice), sucks nearly as much as SCO.)
You can't judge a book by the way it wears its hair.
A huge thanks to Wipro and Ximian who really put huge amounts of work in to make the Sun release happen. Thanks guys.
are binaries for solaris 7.0 available?
I can safely say CDE Sux and GNOME Sux (I've used them both).
:)
I'm still using Solaris 8 so I can still use Openwin.
Guess when I move to a newer version I'll have to figure
out how to install XFree or some other X.
Sorry, but some of us do like to have processor cycles
to do things other than run a crappy window manager.
To all the icewm folks: IceWM Rulz!
To all who are not icewm folks: IceWM Rulz!
Gnome 2.0 is very stable. Gnome 2.2 isn't (quite) out yet.
as much as i applaud the possibility of using gnome2 on solaris (i've been using the beta3 for a long time, and i will upgrade my sunblade workstation to the gnome2 final release), it really wouldn't work well in all possible situations...
for example:
at work we have a very large number of sunray workstations, which use a chunky 6800 as server (the largest sunray install base in europe!). we use them primarily for managing our data network (as our country's larges telco & isp).
since gnome2 uses A LOT more ram and cpu cycles than good old cde, we won't be using it anytime soon. it kind of isn't justifiable to order a 15k to use a new gui.
and then some.
a lot of the applications we use are very usable in cde (eg: alcatel/newbridge's atm node management software), so using gnome would actually make the thing less user friendly!
h357
It's only just recently that I've tried to understand the vagaries of windowing systems and GUI kits under X. (My previous attempt was by reading the Xlib reference manual. Ugh.) There appears to be a mostly-unstated assumption on which bits of your windowed app are handled by what.
What I've learned so far is that the functional separation seems to based on the "conceptual boundaries" established by the window(s). This appears to have led to the establishment of three major components on X desktops:
This is the piece that's responsible for rendering the various buttons, sliders, textboxes, labels, etc. Applications describe in abstract terms what widgets they want and how they want them laid out, and the toolkit is responsible for actually making it happen. An example of a widget toolkit is GTK.
The Window Manager is responsible for operations on the window proper, allowing the user to depth-arrange, drag, resize, minimize, etc. the windows appearing on the display. To facilitate this, the Window Manager (typically) decorates the borders of the window with control glyphs to accomplish these various tasks. Examples of window managers include WindowMaker and SawMill.
The space not occupied by visible windows is the Desktop. The Desktop Manager gives functionality to the regions of the screen not occupied by windows. This might include setting the background image, drawing shortcut icons, displaying pop-up menus to launch applications, etc.
Near as I can tell, each of these components exists (mostly) independently of each other -- you can have an app using the GTK toolkit running in the KDE Window Manager on an unmanaged desktop. As such, there appears to be a huge opportunity for similar or duplicate code to accomplish the smae thing.
Each component appears to be independently and variably "theme-able". For example, WindowMaker has relatively little theme flexibility, whereas SawMill apparently has tons. Each manager accomplishes theme-ability in its own way, further contributing to duplicated code.
Further confusing the issue is the use of a single term to refer to all of these components in aggregate. For example, "GNOME" typically refers collectively to the Widget Toolkit, the Window Manager, and the Desktop Manager. ...Except that GNOME actually seems to be mostly an API specification. It is possible for Window Managers to be GNOME-compliant without actually being part of GNOME. Nautilus, SawMill, and WindowMaker are all GNOME-compliant, but not all of them are officially part of GNOME.
So. Does that sound right, or am I completely off-base?
Schwab
Editor, A1-AAA AmeriCaptions
as far as i recall, you only have to pay trolltech once to be able to develop apps with QT.
Liberty.
And remeber if you liked the look of CDE - then with Gnome you can install XFce and configure to look just like CDE running under Solaris.
As of today, I am running GNOME 2.2 on XFree86 4.3. Why in the hell would ANYONE use GNOME 2.0, when GNOME 2.2 is, basically, a version of GNOME 2.0 with lots of bug fixes?
Which is the only country in the world to have ever used nuclear weaopns in a war ? :-) We did that and it was very effective.
... called the 'Advanced Concepts Initiative' to look at a variety of new or modified nuclear weapons capabilities", Kathryn Crandall, a researcher with the British American Security Information Council (BASIC), told The Times of India.
I bet you know that one
But...
Do you know which country will use nuclear weapons in the war very soon in the near future ?
Answer: We will do that again pretty soon !!
Read on:
The Bush administration is actively researching the implications of a nuclear attack on deep underground bunkers using computers to test the 'kill and spill' levels of bunker-busting 'small' nuclear weapons.
The program details of which were reported in the Los Angeles Times on Monday provides further evidence that the US is seriously contemplating the use of nuclear weapons against Iraq, and possibly other potential adversaries such as North Korea.
According to the LAT, the Pentagon "has launched a fast-track program to develop computers that would help decide when nuclear weapons might be used to destroy underground bunkers harbouring weapons of mass destruction".
Apart from determining the amount of force needed, the system "would asses the potential for killing nearby civilians and inflicting other collateral damage, including the spread of radioactive dust thrown into the air by the nuclear device and the dispersal of toxic chemicals from weapons in the bunker".
If the computer tests suggest an "acceptable" civilian casualty rate, Washington would presumably not be squeamish about using bunker-busting nukes.
Whatever the military necessity for such weapons, say critics, the Bush administration's political motivation is to produce nuclear weapons that are 'small' enough to use or 'credibly' threaten an adversary. Pentagon planners feel the destructive potential of regular nuclear weapons is so enormous as to render them politically unusable, especially against a non-nuclear adversary like Iraq.
Though the US has been working for some time to develop a nuclear weapon capability designed to defeat 'Hardened and Deeply Buried Targets' (HBDTs), the programme has received a considerable boost since the election of George W Bush as president.
"This so-called Robust Nuclear Earth penetrator (RNEP) program is part of an overall effort
She said the initiative is "certainly very troubling... because it pushes new nuclear designs or modifications that develop new capabilities."
Even though these designs may be validated without any resort to full-scale underground tests, Crandall said they "may still undermine the spirit of the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (CTBT), the goal of which has been to curtail development of advanced, new nuclear weapons capabilities".
In a report to the US Congress in 2001, the Pentagon estimated that there are over 10,000 HBDTs worldwide. While very few are of strategic significance, the Pentagon believes the number will increase significantly in the next decade. The onset of lower yield nuclear weapons, says a BASIC report, is shifting the force structure of the US "towards giving nuclear weapons a more prominent role as usable weapons".
Did Sun pay Ximian to work on Solaris GNOME?
but I won't be impressed until I see GNOME on an Atari 2600.
You zap the moderators with a wand of humor! The moderators resist!
land of kde troll moderators trying to knock on gnome through cheesy comments cause they can't touch it on technology :)
(ain't nothing wrong with kde, but there is a lot wrong with the kde zealot moderators around here)
I've never had more than a user shell account under Solaris. I'm used to MacOS X, FreeBSD, and Red Hat Linux. That being said, from an administrator's POV, what differences/benefits would there be for me to use Solaris, other than knowing another Unix? Most of my work under FreeBSD and Linux are command line, OSX I do an awful lot in terminal out of habit, but it's my primary OS.
Honestly, i386 is available, just not sure of the benefits of doing so...
Karma: Chameleon (mostly due to the fact that you come and go).
An xterm requires less resources to start up thatn a Perl CGI script. If your users cringe when an xterm starts up, you have a seriously underpowered web server.
I don't know where this "X11 is big and slow" myth comes from. Come on, use your head. On an 8Mbyte 68k-based UNIX workstation--you know, less power than a low-end Palm--X11 was kind sluggish--around 20 years ago. Machines have gotten more than 100 times more powerful since then--running X11 isn't even noticeable.
Of course, you can make X11 big and slow by letting it allocate huge bitmaps. But that's not X11's fault--any graphics application can do that under any window system.
As for security, use "xauth" and/or only allow local connections (you can still tunnel through "ssh"): the result is pretty much bulletproof.
"But mozilla uses gtk, so it doesnt completely ignore gnome."
If that was true? Then explain all the other platforms that Mozilla runs on.
May seem a crazy question, but it seems like half the packages for Gnome are still versioned 1.4.x and half are 2.x (at least as far as what's in Debian).
I've been using KDE for a while now because I think I've got some weird half-and-half Gnome install despite all my packages being called up-to-date.
I mean seriously, KDE has all the features as well. And it is not below GNOME despite all the money that was poured into GNOME:
innovative use of CORBA
DCOP, kparts? KDE even used CORBA before GNOME-1.0 but they ditched it, because it is too slow and complicated
easy access to data wherever it might be located
Sounds like kioslaves to me. Imagine gnome-vfs from the ground up.
and so on.
Moritz
If you like to componentize your GUI that way, you can. But X11 doesn't care. Traditionally, X11 has a window manager, which also does some limited things with the desktop, and applications would use lots of different widget set. X11 is really more like Macintosh Quartz or Windows GDI, with a wide range of choices for GUIs built on top of it.
Many commercial X11 applications (bank terminals, etc.) use the X11 server completely differently.
Further confusing the issue is the use of a single term to refer to all of these components in aggregate. For example, "GNOME" typically refers collectively to the Widget Toolkit, the Window Manager, and the Desktop Manager.
It's basically an attempt to bring a Windows view of the world to the UNIX environment. Technically, I don't think it's the best approach. However, environments like Gnome and KDE give Windows refugees a warm and fuzzy feeling.
You might well want to consider weaning yourself off Gnome or KDE--give window managers like IceWM or blackbox a try.
laughing the fuck out loud while singing a song from The Hobbit
I dug up my slides, and beyond the dated tutorials of basic GTK+ work, and some ancient screenshots, it doesn't add much.
They've got a slide with a few buzzwords about why Gnome's so much better than CDE, but I guess all the talk of Gnome/GTK+ versus KDE/QT was done during Q&A
But if memory serves it was basically what everyone's saying; they liked C more than C++, and they didn't want to worry about QT licensing for themselves or anyone else (since saying "it's free to develop for our platform!" is more enticing than "it's almost free; you just have to pay QT royalties")
I didnt realize until today that Sun actually has a version of linux.
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Check out the OSes available and you will notice an option for sun linux 5.0. What window manager comes default with that?
Send GNOME to /dev/null
gtk+ is crossplatform.
BLACKBOX. I don't think my measly Ultra 5 (333 Mhz 256MB RAM) can handle Gnome 2.
Blackbox is fast, minimal, attractive, easy to configure, and runs very fast on the Ultra 5. Oh, and it doesn't have any crazy library dependencies so it compiles pretty much anywhere.
I LIKE it!
Sun gave the world NFS and RPC for free, and now Sun gets a complete desktop in return.
Sounds like a fair trade.
Anything to speed up the eridaction of Motif is a good thing.
Too bad Sun is becoming an increasingly irrelevant computer company with way overpriced hardware. Perhaps when IBM takes it over they'll find a use for it.
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Thou hast damnable iteration, and art indeed able to corrupt a saint - Henry IV, Act I scene II
Please put a link to some, thanks.
I like to play with my own poop.
Every company that embraces free software eventually goes bankrupt. Sun is dying. BSD is dead. Linux is dying too.
Here's an idea, it uses different toolkits for different platforms! Amazing!
Mozilla doesn't use GTK widgets pervasively so that it can comply with CSS.
OK, here's the disclaimer. I've been using the betas (1, 2, and 3) since they were first released. I don't know how much of the following is still valid information, although I suspect all of it is.
To MASSIVELY increase performance of Gnome 2.0 on Solaris...
1) Install the mlib libraries.
2) Do a CUSTOM installation, and make sure that 64 bit libraries are included if your hardware is 64 bit. (they weren't by default in the betas)
3) Don't use transparent windows.
4) Don't use a fancy bitmapped background.
5) If you do, store it on your local drive. (we had problems with NIS/autoFS users keeping their bitmaps in their home directories--on the server)
5) Add more memory.
6) Add more memory.
I was using the Beta3 on a blade100/550MHz with 128MB of RAM. It was almost unusable, when Mozilla was running. Now I have a Blade150/650MHz with 512MHz of RAM, and it's fast. Faster than CDE ever was on anything that existed when CDE was first introduced. With Gnome 2.0, Mozilla, Staroffice/Openoffice, Acroread, and mediaplayer, I can get away from Windows for all non-game requirements.
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ummmm, err, well, there's....
never mind.
I've been a Sun user since SunOS 4.1.2 on a sparcstation 1+. I also started running Linux SLS (kernel 0.98pl5) on a 486. This is around '93.
Then, the PC wasn't too bad as an xterminal. Fire up a compile in the background & the sparc was better hands down.
Skip ahead to the Ultra10 vs a PIII 700MHz. Probably pretty close.
However, using linux/*BSD on the PC I can get many more apps. Lots of precompiled binaries are there for the lazy. up2date/MandrakeUpdate/aptget/ximian make keeping up with patches easier on Linux. I don't remember ximian offering OS patches for Solaris 7...
I'm trying to think of a reason I'd rather have a sun on my desktop instead of a PC. Ok, graphics intensive apps that only run on Solaris such as CAD. Most other stuff can be run off a server that I ssh/xterm to.
Plus I get more choices in keyboards, mice, USB stuff, cameras, etc.
btw - I do have several suns at home. My firewall is an LX running OpenBSD, my fileserver is an Ultra1 and I have a sparc20. My main machine? A PC laptop......
It gives the linux desktop a bad name. THey should fucken just quit.
Google thinks so too.
Am I the only one out there who likes CDE? It seems like so many people are bashing it because it's... boring? Outdated? Ugly?
Huh?
I'm a UNIX Sys Admin, and I do 99% of my work on... drumroll... a TERMINAL WINDOW. What difference does it make if I have CDE or GNOME or whatever... I'm still using text commands to do my work. VI won't open any prettier in GNOME than CDE.
Anyone out there who actually uses Solaris for a living have a major problem with CDE?
What have you been smoking?
IBM is worth 13 times more than Sun.
Take a look for yourself.
Nevermind the fact that unlike Sun, IBM actually has a software strategy and successful consulting division!
IBM will be around 100 years from now, whereas Sun will be acquired within 5 years.
Use KDE and get over the fact that GNOME sucks and has lost.
but believe me--there is no way that Sun is going to become irrelevant in the next five years.
Yes I said five years. Yes, I *do* know how huge five years is in IT. IBM will be gone before Sun.
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I agree that SUN is not anywhere near becoming irrelevant. Even without growht and new products, their installed userbase could carry them for years. However, they cannot rest for a second, or they will last ONLY those few years as a legacy vendor.
I realize you are probably joking about Sun outlasting IBM, but in case you're not:
ps. - how do you do layout tables in with Slashdot-limitied html and no ?
Can someone post some links to screenshots of Gnome on Solaris? I loved using Solaris in college, and would be very interested in seeing what they've done with their desktop and Gnome.
I have a website. It's about Macs.
It's completely hypocritical for these people to expect users to pay money for their closed-source crap, when at the same time, THEY THEMSELVES are unwilling to do the same and pay Troll Tech a fair price for their excellent libraries.
GNOME fanboys are laughably inconsistent. When Qt was distributed under QPL, they had to start their poorly-thought-out desktop because Qt wasn't free enough. Troll Tech GPLd it, and not Qt is "too free."
The question should not be, "Why should Sun use GNOME", but "Why hasn't CDE been ported to Linux?"
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