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Mandrake Linux... Not Dead Yet?
bloodeu writes "Mandrake Linux has been beaten down by linux experts alike, but this new release of Mandrake may hold many promising Linux users
what they have been waiting for, like NTFS resizing(which is a first), Automatic Network config(zeroconf), Supermount, and
many more. You can download the Mandrake 9.1 RC1 Here"
The obligatory Monty Python reference. I'll go sit quietly now.
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." Col. Jeff Cooper
So we can all go download it and not pay them a cent.
uhhhhmmmmmm
"For a successful technology, honesty must take precedence over public relations for nature cannot be fooled." -Feynman
Um, okay. Maybe I've been out of the loop when it comes to Linux/NTFS compatibility. I thought we were still kinda' afraid to write to NTFS partitions. Now we can resize them.
Can someone please elaborate?
Yes, so it's the really simple distro for thickies and n00bs. It's also by far and away the easiest Linux distro to set up and use that I've tried (and I'm from the days of Yggdrasil, me) so it's my distro of choice - it has (or is easily made to have) all the power of "proper" distros but isn't as condescending as Lycoris and friends.
Mandrake should be kept alive, it would be a loss to the Linux world if it were to die.
-Mark
Trying to out live apple
I tried it (9.0) for a few weeks and the only thing I didn't like was that wine wasn't installed/configured like in RedHat (7.3). Is this another case of some linux people hating a distro because it's too easy to use?
I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Operating system distro Mandrake was found dead in it's Paris siege this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss it - even if you didn't enjoy their work, there's no denying their contributions to the free software movement. Truly a French icon.
It's worth pointing out to anyone thinking of installing this as their main OS that this is an initial release candidate and is nowhere near prime time.. be warned unless you want to find and report bugs.
Mandrake is great. They've really built something that's useful in its own right, and provides many useful things back into the community. Maybe it's not for you, but it's a great place to start for a lot of people. A nice introduction.
The problem is, Mandrake as a business is like a comedy of errors. All sorts of crazy problems, some of which were outside their control, and some that could (and should) have been avoided in the first place. 20/20 hindsight is nice, so I can't carp too much, but if they could get their shit together for just one release (no distribution problems; keep the paying club members happy, and get them a box before it's been on shelves for 3 months), I think things could turn around in a hurry.
"If he thinks he can hide and run from the United States and our allies, he's sorely mistaken." Bush on bin Laden
Now all the new stuff I"m looking forward to, zeroconf network, kde 3.1, gnome 2.2, XFree86 4.3, 4.21 kernel and a cornacopia of other programs, are in mandrake 9.1. While in the end I intend to move over to debian completely, IMO mandrake is the best of the others for me. I can't wait for 9.1 to become available.
I do security
I've Been Using ...
....
9.1 Beta 2 for about a month and I have to say
it rocks
it is much beter than Mandrake 8.0....
it is by far the easiest distro I have ever used
and with the exception of Knoppix the easiest to install...:)
I personaly hope they survive....
all of the needed aps are there I only have few complaints....
1. I had to specially select Vi for install and emacs auto installed...(Flame away)..
2. Gnome meeting was not installed...by default
3. I am having trouble changing some of the default loggin, and boot manager stuff....
other than that....I give the 9.1 Beta 2 an A+
give it to any newbee they will be happy
--meh--
Mandrake was a French distro....so it will never die.
Surrender, yes, but die? Never (pronounced: Nev'air!)
{SEG}
Have you read the moderator guidelines? Well, have you, PUNK? (and I want a Karma: Gnarly option)
Mandrake Linux has been beaten down by linux experts alike
Ok. I'm a Linux, more specifically a Unix "expert" and I can see nothing wrong with Mandrake:
A easy to install, easy to use, full featured Linux desktop? How horrible! Oh the humanity! When will it stop!
It's not like Mandrake Linux pissed in my Wheeties this morning.
Moneyed corporations, non-working 'poor' and criminal prisoners are turning productive citizens into tax-slaves.
Even if you don't use Mandrake, you've probably benefited from the work they've put into "making the Linux desktop user friendly."
:) [And I could be wrong -- perhaps they also had Red Hat, dunno.]
(That's a category I'm in right now: I don't currently have any systems running Mandrake, but for about three years running -- until about a month ago -- I did.)
- Mandrake concentrates on ease of install. Not that everyone's intuition is actually the same, goes the past-the-nipple argument, but Hey, Mandrake 6 did a lot better job with *my* intuition (and hardware) than did any of the contemporaries I can remember putting on.
- Automount. Yes, it's come and gone strangely (back now?), but Automount is a very good thing. Try explaining to a Mac user the procedure of mounting a CD drive, or a simple %$#@ USB memory key thing.
- Mandrake (afaik) was the first and so far only Linux distro to be sold as a standalone product in Walmart, and I bought several versions there (as the king of Swamp Castle says "... just to show 'em!"). Software specifics aside, this is another good reason to be grateful to Mandrake, whether you use their distro or not. Lindows was *not* the first Walmart-associated Linux
Mandrake started to fade off my systems when I discovered how nice Red Hat 8 is, and then when I used Knoppix to convert some machines to Debian. (And since I need to reduce the number of machines floating around here, there are fewer computers with which I care to purely experiment.) However, I plan to try the 9.1 release candidate to see where it falls.
Cheers,
timothy
jrnl: http://tinyurl.com/c2l8yr / foes: http://tinyurl.com/ckjno5
Mandrake is the ONLY good thing ever to come from France.
Cheese, wine, food, women with hairy armpits ????
(ok maybe not the last one) but the first 3 deserve some recognition
Alex
The distro has been dead for years, but I have yet to see a distro that is as easy to install as Corel Linux. IIRC, it prompted me maybe twice to make decisions about things, and had sensible defaults for the average user. If they had more fully exploited DHCP/DNS I think they could have gotten rid of one of those prompts (asking for a hostname).
Corel was, for all intents and purposes, a Debian for the average joe. I have yet to see any other distros approach the friendliness of it.
I predate ANY distro, back when the kernel wouldn't even properly compile..
And I've still found Caldera's to be the easiest for the newbie to install, if it supports your hardware..
Though, with the incarnation of 'unitedlinux' and their recent SCO attitudes, I've stopped recommending them to clients as they cant be trusted..
( Disclaimer, I moved to FBSD for 'server land' a while ago, due to the progressively fragmenting Linux desktop community.. )
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Mandrake is the ONLY good thing ever to come from France.
I assume from this statement that you don't drink wine, and don't eat at all.
I am TheRaven on Soylent News
So it's easy, when is the linux community going to drop this attitude of "Linux is supposed to be hard".
In the last three weeks I've tried RedHat 8.0(too slow on a 366mhz machine), Yopper, Knoppix (lots of stuff) and Mandrake 9.0. Of them all, I'm using mandrake. Why? because everything worked, first time, everytime. So I went out and bought a copy. Voting with my wallet, the easiest thing to do. I hope they make it out of Chapter 11 or whatever the french equivalent is. They're providing the gateway to make it easier to switch, without the cost overhead that Lindows requires.
~corporate tool, but employed~
Since some posts appear to be made in ignorance of this fact, Mandrake apparently is no longer going to be the best distro to freeload off of.
Only members will be able to download the new version, or order cheap cd sets when it is first released. Depending on what kind of member you are (I am a Silver member) will determine what kind of bandwidth priority you get. I think the free download version for 9.1 will only be available after the package version is in stores for a while. Maybe the free download to the public will not even be available until the first RC of the next distro is out.
Complain all you want, but you brought this upon yourself. I became a member and was willing to let my membership fees go, in part, to allowing freeloaders download at the same time as everyone else. However, there were too many of you and too few of me, so now if you don't want to pay but want the newest version you will have to just use an RC (sounds fair to me).
Anyway, Mandrake not being dead is not news to me or any other members. It is just news to the people who don't care enough to get involved. Why such people would even care about weither Mandrake is dead or not eludes me.
Sdelat' Ameriku velikoy Snova!
Xandros already supports resizing NTFS partitions.
Distributions keep getting larger and larger, but now they come with promising Linux users? Wow! What will they think of next?
I like big butts and I cannot lie.
I thought would point out that Redat 8.1 Beta 3 is also out.
t /2 003-February/002969.html
You can see the anouncement here
https://listman.redhat.com/pipermail/phoebe-lis
Its got Gnome 2.2, KDE 3.1, kernel 2.4.20, OpenOffice 1.02, CUPS as default, etc
So far I've found some bugs and the occasional app crash, but its shaping up to be real nice. Speed is better than 8.0, mostly due to the new kernel I suspect. (RH 8.0 sped up a lot for me by going to 2.4.20) Its great to see Redhat finally actually trying to put out a good desktop and the effort is really paying off. One last thing I've mentioned before, I pitty the distro that doesn't ship with as good a font setup as Redhat uses. They'll get put to the wall for it and rightly so. Its high time that not a single distro ships with shitty fonts anymore.
Anyway its worth a look if you have the bandwidth.
If you wanna get rich, you know that payback is a bitch
Just like Loki software is dead, no more games, the entire "linux game industry" collapsed when loki went away. All those great developers disappeared off the face of the earth never to think about a penguin again. Dan Vogel (the Really Smart Guy who ported UT to OpenGl) just disappeared, oh yeah except he ported UT2003 to OpenGL and got a Linux installer on the retail media. Loki is all gone, they've gone to the great icculus.org in the sky.
Yes Mandrake is dead, the IT (Ironed Tee shirts) pissed off all the money and Mandrake is dead. Oh, there's still that 10-12 guys who put together the release candidates, and the betas. The guys who are busting their humps as we speak to put together the hippest easiest bestest distro ever to be released. Yes it's dead, RedHat 8.0 just cleaned it out. Nobody needs Little Mandrake anymore, nobody ever cared about DRI working immediately after installation, and EVERYONE is listening to ogg media instead of MP3's. Sure Mandrake is dead, nobody even cared that Redhat 8.0's kernel didn't work right with WineX.
Dead dead dead, nobody needs an easy to use, easy to install, distro which can be installed on a computer with XP pre-installed without having to destroy the XP partition.
Everyone is pure, everyone runs Pure Linux, nobody needs games, nobody dual-boots, nobody is a noob, nobody needs to RTFM.
I renewed my Mandrake membership last week, did you?
The biggest difference between Mandrake and Red Hat is urpmi. urpmi is the packaging system that Mandrake employees, and just about every desirable program is available (after a little setup) with a simple:
a ke/9.0/i586/Mandrake/RPMS with ../base/hdlist.cz
a ke/9.0/contrib/RPMS with synthesis.hdlist2.cz
urpmi (packagename)
First though, it's very handy to setup urpmi so that it never requests the installation CDs, but rather gets the packages via the internet. Here's what I do immediately after installing Mandrake:
1. Remove the three CD-based package sources:
urpmi.removemedia "Installation CD 1 (x86) (cdrom1)"
urpmi.removemedia "Installation CD 2 (x86) (cdrom2)"
urpmi.removemedia "International CD (x86) (cdrom3)"
2. replace them with an FTP source:
urpmi.addmedia base-ftp ftp://mirrors.secsup.org/pub/linux/mandrake/Mandr
(That's a single command. It may appear wrapped.)
3. add the contrib source:
urpmi.addmedia contrib ftp://mirrors.secsup.org/pub/linux/mandrake/Mandr
(That's a single command. It may appear wrapped.)
4. add the plf software source:
urpmi.addmedia plf ftp://plf.chem.yorku.ca/pub/plf/9.0 with hdlist.cz
(That's a single command. It may appear wrapped.)
After those four steps (don't forget to su to root before you run them) you'll be able to easily install just about any program that you run across . It brings the installation ease that Debian users enjoy (via apt) to linux newbies in Mandrake. Redhat has nothing that can touch urpmi. The term "RPM Hell" exists for a reason -- RedHat.
Apache 1.3 is still present, but it's in the Contribs (separate download or extra CD in PowerPack).
What's more, you can install *both* versions, and with a simple command (advxrun1.3 or advxrun2.0), change from one to the other.
PHP 4.3.1 has been tested a lot, and we fixed most major bugs. I use it on production on several servers, and I find it more stable than the 4.2 series.
I hope MandrakeSoft stays alive, simply because they seem to be the only major distro that "get's it" in the Linux community. They have consistently been pushing to make Linux easier to install and use, without browbeating newcomers into a "it must be bad if it's easy" mentality. I applaud them for it.
Mandrake is the ONLY good thing ever to come from France.
Considering how big of an American tourist trap this is, I'm sure there are a number of Americans who'll say that there is a few more things they cherish that came from France.
Where's the US Army to rescue this group of dying frenchmen?
I find it odd that Americans are all so willing to insult France for being defeated by one of the most powerful armies in modern time, but are now all upset when they don't want to aid an attack on a small, middle-eastern country who has shown no signs of a direct threat.
sin(6cos(r)+5A)
Just because it is available for free doesn't mean there isn't some merit in paying for it sometimes. I won't go up on some soap box about how "every download is a dagger in free software's heart" because that would be absurd. Free downloads are what spur the rapid discovery, reporting and repair of bugs as well as bring noobs into the fold. 95% of the noobs I've brought over have been swayed with the logic "Hey, no risk to try it other than the download time..."
But at the same time, if you get good use out of Mandrake, (or any distribution) the best support you can give them is to vote with your dollars. Spend some money on Mandrake services or products. Buy a t-shirt... I bet your girlfriend would look smashing in a "Mandrake Club" t-shirt... (Is that the geek equivalent of having her wear your football jersey?)
Who did what now?
The parent post is complete B.S.
Yes, the Club Members will have a more complete list of mirrors, possibly including Club-Only mirrors.
But as far as I know (and I am a Mandrake employee, so I should know), Mandrake Linux 9.1 will be available for everyone on public mirrors.
Don't forget that it's 100% open-source, most of the stuff is GPL, so it has to be distributable by everyone.
That said, I strongly suggest our users become members of the Club, it's the best way to support our work.
Ah, how quickly we forget where the Statue of Liberty comes from, which way it faces, and *why?*
Oddly enough the American armies who "saved" France did. That's one of the reasons they were there in the first place, to honor a debt that was defaulted in fact and unrepayable in philosophy.
I live in upstate NY, just a couple blocks from the occasional local residence of a young French gentleman whom both Pershing and Patton are reputed to have payed homage to when first setting foot on French Soil.
LaFayette, we are here, and some of us haven't forgotten.
And don't forget the old saying, 60 million Frenchman can't be wrong. Hell, maybe when they became "Cheese eating surrender monkeys" it's simply because they knew something we didn't.
Go figure.
As for Mandrake. Good distro in its way. If the company deserves to live it just might pull it off. If it doesn't well, millions of Frenchman have died while singing La Marseillaise rather than surrender.
Did you know that proper protocol for handling a French flag is that once it's raised it is never taken down again until reduced to rags? Think about it.
KFG
"
- Allocate addresses without a DHCP server.
- Translate between names and IP addresses without a DNS server.
- Find services, like printers, without a directory server.
- Allocate IP Multicast addresses without a MADCAP server.
"Apple already uses this technology under the name RendezVous in Mac OS X.
As a Mac OSX user I can say that this techno does exactly what is supposed to (since RendezVous is deeply embedded in the system and some third party software, and Rendevous-enable products are available, it's a true real world benefits, not just a lab's experiment)
It's easy to understand the point when more OS, network devices, Consumer Devices (Philips is already doing prototypes), and P2P softwares (the mac version of Limewire is RendezVous enabled) will adopt the technology.
Xandros Deluxe also resizes NTFS with PQDisk, proprietary software by PowerDesk (the makers of Partition Manager).
Mandrake's market niche is getting squeezed at both ends, by Redhat working to make their system more user-friendly as well as by up-and-coming distros like Xandros working to make a simpler Linux experience. If RedHat decides to work more at their dependency/updating system (outdoing urpmi and apt rpm) for 9.0, Mandrake's niche will disappear.
The beauty of Knoppix is obviously its automagic hardware configuration. Well, you know what that is? It's HardDrake, Mandrake's hardware recognition tool. That's the magic of Mandrake, and the common sense of Klaud Knopper, to tack it onto Debian.
put the what in the where?
Not frozen yet? Better go read again...
Quoting from the webpage:
RC1 - Feb, 19th 2003 Release notes:
Without touching off a flame war, I will have to disagree with:
Redhat has nothing that can touch urpmi.
There is a version of apt for RedHat-- Here's how to install and use it in RH 8:
Download and install these:
http://ftp.freshrpms.net/pub/freshrpms/psyche/apt
http://ftp.freshrpms.net/pub/freshrpms/psyche/apt
Make sure you're online, then, as root (or sudo)issue the following commands:
apt-get update
(You will see apt download package listings)
apt-get -f install
(This is to fix dependencies that will prevent apt from working.)
Your output should look something like this:
Reading Package Lists... Done
Collecting File Provides... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 removed and 0 not upgraded.
If your output is different, make sure that you know what you are doing before you let apt make changes to your system.
Now, do:
apt-get install synaptic
and run synaptic as root or sudo root. You now have a gui tool to resolve dependencies and install packages.
This was shamelessly stolen from an excellent article by Robert C. Dowdy on OSNews:
http://www.osnews.com/printer.php?news_id=1890
God is imaginary
It's true. Powell's sattellite photos proved the Iraqis had a forklift AND two trucks. If they get a bulldozer they'll have Bob the Builder.
Was just clarifying that im not as much into the linux community, so that my statement was based on older info.. that things could have changed somewhat..
Due to the fragmentation in the linux community i changed to FBSD for servers, yes. Cant have a community like that when it comes to the back room.
I have stayed on linux for desktop, but at this rate that may change too..
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Here (195kB PNG) is a screenshot of Mandrake 9.1rc1 running Gnome with the Galaxy theme. I hae done almost no changes to Gnome (I don't usually use it), so this is pretty much how it looks currently out-the-box after changing to the Galaxy theme (which I assume will be enabled by default on rc2). The window decorations for KDE went in only a few days ago, wait till I update some stuff from cooker for a KDE screenshot.
My USB flash disk was detected automatically, just had to right-click on the desktop and check "removable" (in KDE an icon appears which you can just double-click). ACPI works (though I am not sure how much functionality my Thinkpad 600X supports). Note the ACPI is not enabled by default (acpi=off is in the default append for the bootloader) due to problems with desktops. Zeroconf works (ie over a crossover to a windows box I get a "auto-configuration"-compatible IP address and can resolve my own hostname via "dns"), but the gui tools need a bit more work (config only works during install currently), but my NIC does not support ifplugd, so I do not get automatic interface management.
I did make some changes to the fonts in Mozilla, which may have affected how Galeon displays.
We just hope that freetype-2.1.4 will be out in time to make it, since the maintainer will not agree to shipping CVS versions (which Redhat seems happy with, even with glibc to the point of breaking things like winbind - for those of you who think Mandrake is not stable).
Screenshot from PcLinuxOnline Forums
Get the rpms
wish to try it and report bugs, you won't regret it. In my experience they tend to have the fastest turn around I've ever seen fixing bugs. All of mine were fixed within 24hrs of reporting.
Liberty.
But with a new release, I'll get everything on the same page... and then repeat the process until 9.2!
Berto
Then we'll cut the number of dead and dieing compnay storeies in half for the next 5-10 years.
Let me get this straight...you consider a "free ride" like the ability to go from Windows to Linux frustrating? You want people to be "self-sufficient" and "figure things out for themselves?" In other words, you want them to take time out of their days learning to use their system in order to be productive, when they could be using that valuable time to actually BE productive?
If everyone operated like this, then there would be very little time wasted explaining the documented solutions to common problems, which would free everyone up to concentrate on the real problems, in order to make progress.
Instead of this ass-backwards view, how about developers get around to FIXING those common problems, so they don't need to be explained? Expecting people to make tinkering with their OS a hobby in order to use it--lest they get a "free ride"--is ridiculous to me. It reaks of the "smug feeling of superiority" you say isn't so prevalent. Linux being difficult to set up isn't a fault of the users. I am so tired of people who imply such. Some out there need to spend some time away from their command prompt and Emacs sessions and interact with the rest of the world and see how they use computers. Otherwise, Linux will forever remain just a nice file and web server.
Sorry for the frustrated tone...I just want Linux to succeed, and I see so many attitudes holding it back.
Colin Powell had a class for slow learners at the UN ... fast forward a couple of months, tune in CNN, and see what sort of threats were uncovered by advancing American Armed Forces as they look for weapons of mass destruction. Today's keyword: "Tip of the Iceberg".
It's true. Powell's sattellite photos proved the Iraqis had a forklift AND two trucks. If they get a bulldozer they'll have Bob the Builder.
Yes, but they can combine and form Devastator.
I tried out Redhat 8.0, and while I see the difference in focus between Redhat and Mandrake, I'm amazed at how LITTLE redhat came with. Nothing that can violate the MPEG licenses (no mp3, no xine, no mplayer, no video, no shit), nothing that can be construed as "fun" (this is BUSINESS LINUX).
What I'm really looking forward to is Mandrake with Xft2 font setup. That's what attracted me to RH8 in the first place was the nice anti-aliasing. In the end I went back to Mandrake 9, and compiled and installed the Xft2 stuff myself, then compiled kde3.1 from source (what a colossal pain!). The problem is replacing the non-xft2 libs with their xft2 counterparts borks up the kde3.0 installation from Mandrake. Plus now the Gnome-Pango setup is all borked and makes compiling Gnome stuff hard. I haven't gotten up the ambition to download and compile gnome 2.2 for myself.
I like linux, I do software development, but maybe I'm getting old I don't get much thrill anymore out of building the entire system myself from scratch. I like to put in the cd, run the installer, and have something nice and usable.
Is knowing you downloaded The 3 ISOs before it was posted on slashdot.
arcane for life
The RC1 was actually released last Wednesday, and that would be the day I installed it and got it running.
Fucking beautiful, except Wine keeps crapping out on me (expected considering it's still in bux-fix mode). Seriously, one of the reviews I read about Mandrake 9.0 was that they had evolved to a lot more of an "expensive" or "professional" look. While I'm sitting here hoping that the installer for RC1 is only a temporary thing and that they go back to the format they had for 8.2 and 9.0, I have to say that they actually outdid themselves for this release. Gnome 2.2 is slick, With a really _really_ nice new font set... New GnomeICU (one of the main programs I use) is a lot nicer than previous versions, etc. etc.
The only main problem I have is with the installer, which I'm guessing is because they're not quite done with it yet... It seems to be missing a whole thwack of packages that are on the CDs (Apache and Wine to name a couple) but all in all this distro is very very slick.
So I've pretty much decided now that I'm a bona-fide Mandrake user....
As soon as I garner up enough money I'm going to be sending in for a 9.1 boxed set... I'd honestly hate to see them go under, because as I see it they're offering me a really quality product.
Karma: Non-Heinous
I admit I'm a noob, but I haven't had very good luck with 9.1 so far. I desperately want to run a Linux desktop and I'd heard Mandrake was the easiest (which it still may be for all I know - just because it's hard for me doesn't mean the others aren't harder). But so far, here are the problems I've had starting with 9.0 and now actually getting worse in 9.1:
1. Network doesn't work. This is new in 9.1 RC1. It worked in the betas and in 9.0, but doesn't in RC1. I have heard various workarounds but being a noob haven't really tried getting my hands dirty yet. It detects my card but does not connect to the net, and will not even connect to my router (so it's not just an internet thing).
2. Font import doesn't work. This has never worked for me, in any Mandrake release. I have pared my Windows fonts down to the minimum and it still hangs at various points during the import - hangs to the point where I need to restart the system in order to kill the process.
3. Mounting of pretty much anything other than the Linux partition on my hard drive takes about 10 minutes, as does doing any operation at all once mounted. This includes simply listening to a CD, or browsing my pictures on my Windows partition. Again, just trying to listen to a CD last night necessitated a reboot.
Any one of these is almost enough to get me to give up on Linux as a whole for now. Windows, for now, is much more useful as a desktop, however "easy" Mandrake is to use. I've spent almost 100% of my time with Mandrake so far just trying to get it set up, and I still can't get some pretty important things to work at all. I hope Mandrake and other distros continue to improve to the point where a newbie like me can actually use them, but I don't think we're at that point yet.
But after having to pay for that bandwidth spike caused by slashdot.
Get a free ipod.
The famous sentence "La garde meurt mais ne se rend pas" (the guard dies but does not surrender) is attributed to general Cambronne, in Waterloo, as he was already wounded, and the English troops commanded him to surrender with the imperial guard, which he leaded. Hugo would write later that the real winner of Waterloo was Cambronne, for his heroic behaviour in front of adversity.
More accurate evidences seem to suggest that the sentence actually was from general Michel, who found death during this battle. Cambronne's answer was shorter, although no less heroic, in the form of the famous "word of Cambronne": Merde ! (Shit !).
Supposed dead during the battle, Cambronne was captured by the english military, then freed and sentenced to martial court by the new french monarchy for having served under Bonaparte, before being freed again to serve the Bourbons.
So perharps it makes the citation more appropriate for poor Mandrake, willing to fight until its last breath without admitting defeat, the way real stubborn french people do.
Reminds me of another famous citation, from Cyrano de Bergerac, a fictional character of Edmod Rostand:
Que dites-vous ? C'est inutile ? Je le sais, mais on se bat pas dans l'espoir du succès.
(Lame translation: What do you say ? it's useless ? I know that, but one does not fight hoping for success).
All generalizations are false, including this one...
What you mean actually get of your lazy @$$ do something. Way to much work.
FOML: Rise to Power
While my experience is not perfect with it, Beta3 and RC1 recognized my Wacom Graphire2 tablet, including the wheel mouse component. The imperfection of it relates to the fact that positioning is treated as a combination of relative and absolute. As you place the pen or mouse on the tablet, it is positioned absolutely. Once you start moving it, it is relative, and apparently not mapped nicely to the movement of the mouse pointer on the screen.
The installer did recognize a usb mouse, including the wheel, but would not recognize a USB Keyboard, even though I did try teling the bios to tell whatever OS was running on top that the USB Keyboard was a PS2 keyboard. The Installer apparently recognized that it was not a PS2 (or older) keyboard, and didn't know what to do with it. After the install, the keyboard does work in the running OS. I can live with a PS2 keyboard during the install for now, but I would prefer that the USB keyboard work during the install.
Those are just my experiences. Others may be different.
-Rusty
You never know...
Mandrake huh? I remember when I walked into a friend's apartment and asked what that strange looking Windowing System was. KDE was the response; KDE included with the Mandrake Distribution of Linux. I believe it was version 5 at the time.
So intrigued I was that, upon my return home, I downloaded and installed Mandrake right away. I was hooked. Having never used Linux before, I immediately downloaded Debian as well and started reading about this strange little kernel called Linux. So whilst I read all I could about Debian, I used Mandrake, learning far more in the using than in the reading. I in fact never got Debian to work they way I wanted and continued to use only Mandrake.
My self-owned small business signed on with Mandrake to become Quebec's only distributor of the Power Pack series (at the time.) It was here that I ran into trouble. I was caught between my love of the distribution, and the hatred of their distribution system. I was forced to pre-buy large quantities of boxed Power Packs. I never got rid of a version set without having to buy more of the new version set. When all was said and done, and I was ready to give up the ghost, I had leftover power packs of 6.1, 6.2, 6.3, 7.0, 7.1 and 7.2. Altogether I had spent over $1000K on Linux Mandrake Power Packs. I never made a cent, and in fact lost plenty. There was no response from any Mandrake offices; complaints and questions remained unanwered. Additionally, it took them several years to get my name of their list of resellers.
So here I find myself, years later, introduced to Linux and the OpenSource community by then-little Linux Mandrake. I still have a Mandrake-based Linux install running at my home. The distro has been modified heavily and possibly retains little resemblance to any known Mandrake products but that's how it started. I have now used many OSes that would not have made their way into my life without Mandrake. I recently discovered the joys of the BSD OSes, all thanks to Mandrake.
As much as I would like to say that I will be forever indebted to Linux Mandrake, the fact is that MandrakeSoft is really endebted to people who took a real hit early on simply because they loved the distribution so much. Although they have continued to put out a very useful distribution one has to wonder how other projects (with a much smaller bankroll) have survived and prospered.
Nonetheless, I will still recommend Mandrake to anyone who asks, and proudly exclaim it still remains part of my home network. My previous finacial and promotional support met with no rewards and even less satisfaction. They seem unable to run a economically viable ship and as has been the case with many other companies producing good products, tough luck. I do hope they survive, and I hope people have had a better experience with the business side of things than I have. Their product opens up a world of possibilites for those who want an easy-to-use and inexpensive alternative to the costly but widely accepted operating systems for the x86 platform. I wish them luck in their future endeavours.
Paying for something you don't use is really not something I woudl ask you to do - even if it ends up feeding me. .-)
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Not paying for something one does use (which is what many people do these days) is on the other hand a very stupid thing. One day you wake up, and the "free lunch" is gone...