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Dismal Failure of Internet Filters In Australia
An anonymous reader writes "The Sydney Morning Herald is reporting that the Australian Broadcasting Authority (ABA), the department responsible for implementing the insane Internet regulatory framework put in place by the current government, is about to drop a number of Internet Filtering packages due to their ineffectiveness. The full article is available here. There is also news that the Minister for Communications, Senator Richard Alston (whom The Register has labeled the Worlds Biggest Luddite :) ) is awaiting a review of the law with possible changes to follow. Be afraid Australia, be very afraid!"
too bad, if they are anything like me, they would never see ur comment considering you a mod score of 0.
I was aware that there was some censorship of TV programs in earlier years when they were brought to AU, Dr Who comes to mind, but is this still happening to TV as well as the internet? I'm suprised, considering the recent and proposed changes to the hemp/marijuana laws down under are pretty liberal.
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On one hand, they have horrible broadband companies that limit you to asinine amounts of data transfering. On the other, they have made it illegal to sell region-coded DVD players. However, this is a step in the right direction.
For example, he'll happily accept a freebie high end digital plasma screen TV for vital research.
Perhaps Saddam should also try chucking our Prime Minister a similar gift in return for more favourable consideration.
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What would really be more effective in assuring the Australian people don't think impure thoughts would be to implement the Orwellian idea of removing certain words from their vocabulary, such as "freedom," "liberty," etc. Hey, it worked with "Fosters."
The head of the Internet Industry Association, Peter Coroneos, said mandatory filtering had been ruled out because "...We feel the decision is best left in the hands of parents."
Seems too obvious. Parents responsible for their kids. Anyone in the US government listening?
No doubt the review of the "Internet Decency" laws will include a clause that you may not be naked whilst your computer is connected to the Internet. It'd be on par with their past efforts.
The reason why Australia's filters are failing would be that: any computer saavy college student knows where all the latest proxy servers are, and soon disseminate them all over. There are many web sites that have lists of working proxies located overseas, outside the government's control, and new ones are found far faster than the government can block them.
Let's hope (probably dimly) that China will soon follow Australia's suit in dropping them.
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Press release from the EFA (Australia's version of the EFF):
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Media Release: 3 March 2003
Censorship laws contribute to youth access to violent pornography
Australian censorship laws contribute to the problem of youth access to
pornographic material of the violent and extreme kind, Electronic Frontiers
Australia (EFA) said today.
The Australia Institute recently surveyed 200 youths 16-17 years old and
found that "teenagers view X-rated videos more than Internet sex sites",
although the sale of X-rated videos is illegal in all States.
"Apparently, Australian laws prohibiting sale of X-rated videos have failed
to prevent youth access to this type of video. It's even less likely that
government attempts to prevent access to content on the world-wide Internet
can be successful," said Irene Graham, EFA's Executive Director.
"Australian laws already empower the Australian Broadcasting Authority to
enforce deletion of any X-rated material found on Australian hosted
Internet sites and The Australia Institute's report does not suggest that
the laws have failed in this regard."
The Australia Institute said a "distinction needs to be drawn between
'mainstream' pornography (in commercially available X-rated videos) and the
proliferation of violent and extreme material on the Internet".
"Australian Internet censorship laws go far beyond the realms of community
standards and practicality," said Graham. "Mainstream pornography
containing sexually explicit X-rated material without the slightest
indication of violence, coercion or demeaning depictions, and also R rated
material that is not sexually explicit, is banned in the same way as
depictions of rape, bestiality and so on. Mere nudity, like a Playboy
magazine centre-fold, is banned. As a result, adults and teenagers seeking
mainstream pornography online, visit overseas sites where they are very
likely to be exposed to violent and extreme pornography."
EFA said relaxation of Australian Internet censorship laws would be more
successful in minimising access to violent and extreme kinds of pornography
than would more restrictive legislation.
"The laws should be changed to permit on-line provision of Australian
X-rated material, a category that has long prohibited violent and extreme
pornography," said Graham. "This would allow the small proportion of
Internet users who seek pornographic material online, whether adult or
teenage, to access strictly regulated Australian sites. At present, they
have no option other than to visit overseas sites that also contain
horrific material and that are not, and never will be, subject to
Australia's censorship laws."
EFA considers that minors' access to pornography online is a matter of
serious concern. However, given the global nature of the Internet, more
restrictive Australian laws would be no more effective than current laws.
... and then there were none
At the ISP I used to work for in Perth, Australia we decided the best solution was to provide a page or two on our website explaining how software filtering works, then provide all the alternatives and let the clients decide, so I wrote:
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http://www.iinet.net.au/support/softwarefilters
it fulfilled the requirements of the legislation and explained the limitations of each type of flitering quite clearly - without affecting our customers or business.
Please, you must understand that I say "unwashed kangaroo-riding yokels" with the utmost respect. You should hear what I have to say about the French!
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Our government is way too incompetent to implement any effective forms of censorship. Just look at their recent record on things like refugees, Iraq and the like. They can't even lie very well :)
Good one!
awaiting a review of the law with possible changes to follow
Let's only hope these new changes don't incorporate plans to build a new processor (which, by country naming standards, would have to be named after an animal that lives only there, eg. the "platypus").
Ya know what? I don't even want to be attached to that comment it's so horribly lame, but I spent a good 3 minutes thinking of it, so 'm still gonna post it. I'm sorry I've wasted your time.
As a youth of Australia i am getting more and more appaled by my own country, it seems like where turning into china but at least there not going to war. I am scared of the day when i wake up and go to google.com to see it blocked. I think its time australia wakes up and realise that we have to make our own decisions. I just hope they do this soon.
I'm a geek deal wit it
From the article:"ISPs don't want people using very effective filters," he said. "They want people to be downloading as much information as possible - that's how they make their money."
....which is why they cap the bandwidth avalable to their customers
"We feel the decision is best left in the hands of parents." He said the opt-out clause "could work" but feared routine filtering could seriously slow down the internet.
They should go with an opt-in policy instead. Those willing to stick their heads in the sand and let others make decisions about what they can and can not read should stand up and ask for it by name instead of forcing the everyone else to bail out of such a scheme.
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In fact, dont expect them to work more than about 1/2 the time, in that way you might be pleasantly suprised.
I base this claim on the observation that no one has been able to block spam to a severe degree. It would seem that most of the filtering for both spam and the netnanny type filtering would work on the same princibles.( except for that skin tone filtering, but thats just pure evil, though cool).
When I can block 90% of the spam in my mailbox then I will become concerened for the ausies.
On a serious note: I will become concerned for everyone the day that a governing entity becomes satisfied with its censorship practices.
I think you underestimate just how much I just dont care.
But product developers claim the technology works where there is a real financial incentive to make it work, as in corporations.
also from the article...
"ISPs don't want people using very effective filters," he said. "They want people to be downloading as much information as possible - that's how they make their money."
it seems to me as if they're targeting the wrong corporations, heh. i mean, considering the past actions of the RIAA, MPAA, IDSA, and the BSA, they seem to think they have all the incintive in the world to do this... so... if Australlia wants censorship, they should have the copyright mongers of America do it - not ISP's! i mean, sheesh, Australlia - what were you thinking!?
...to "Down Under," doesn't it...
Be afraid Australia, be very afraid!
Now they won't be able to see the vids of their New Zealand neighbors with their sheep.
"ISPs don't want people using very effective filters," he said. "They want people to be downloading as much information as possible - that's how they make their money."
Sounds a bit like micro$oft: we 'll tell you what you get at what price.
The ISPs are merely compelled to provide approved filtering software to their customers at cost.
No one is actually forced to filter content. As the article says only 17% of parents have actually bothered to install such filters.
Some groups are promoting mandatory filtering and some are dead against it which is pretty much how you'd expect things to be.
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For months people got around the filters by changing the way they entered the web addresses (use IP addresses instead of domain names until that ceased to work; use the integer encoding of the IP address until THAT ceased to work, etc.) They fixed that. Then they went through well-known proxies like anonymizer.com and made proxies out of well-known services like babelfish.altavista.com. They fixed that. Eventually proxy access on well-known ports will probably be blocked at the border to stave off the unknown proxy usage, but that doesn't do anything about the ports that are unknown. Then they can start filtering things that look like web traffic on non-standard ports, but SSL gateways and VPN software can always get past that until they decide to block encryption.
My point: there will always be ways around filters on the Internet, because at any point there aren't, we've no longer got an Internet. There are sufficient business interests in maintaining the Internet as a useful tool to keep the book-burning impulses of even the most ardent censorship advocates in check.
Try not. Do or do not, there is no try.
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Thankfully those of us lucky enough to live in Australia don't need the Internet, 'cause Telstra and other broadband carriers certainly won't let us have it!
Filtering the Internet is unnecessary. All we need are a few more users, and the tiny bandwidth available to the entire nation will be spread so thinly that it'll be like the good old days of 9600 baud modems. Sure, pornography will get through, but by the time a download has finished, even young teens will then be old enough to vote.
The World's Biggest Luddite is barely worthy of being called a moron (well, only if you were comparing him to a particularly stupid moron), so no doubt he'll implement another completely unworkable solution which will win him votes with people who think "Something must be done!" and the rest of us will long for the next election so that we can vote this peanut out.
Still, we only have to give him some sort of bribe, like the digital television he accepted for research purposes (as did the PM). It's so much easier when the top pollies are on the take. All we have to do is work out the right size bribe...
"ISPs don't want people using very effective filters," he said. "They want people to be downloading as much information as possible - that's how they make their money."
Weird, I always thought internet providers made money from people who pay their monthly fees but don't download a lot, and they actually loose money on those who download gigabytes a month..
Anyone care to explain how an ISP makes money because their users download a lot ??
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Those spammers should be taken OUTBACK and shot. Did they send the the messages DOWN UNDER the filters, or did that crap just flow through the pipe in the opposite direction???
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I would expect such blatant racism on Fark, but on Slashdot? Mods please ban this asshole.
That Australia filters all printed media. If you want a copy of the NY Times or internation herald tribune it takes an extra 48 hours for them read it and send it off. On a side note: In Malaysia they do sensor the information that is writen about Malaysia however it only takes them 6 hours after the paper is released. So you get the morning paper that afternoon. (paper printer in Singapore)
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The media obligingly jumped on the Save The Children bandwagon (as is their want), the politicians followed along, and the result is the current mess, where instead of pulling the plug on the current abomination of a scheme, the politicians are openly contemplating making it even worse. All because of a rather shabby report from a group of publicity-hounds (personal opinion).
What some people don't realize, and it is probably due to their lack of understanding of technology is that in the case of internet filtering you can only limit access to certain sites but not prevent _all access to everything that is deemed inappropriate on a moral scale. Just like crime, you can prevent some but not all.
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I think people are missing the point and don't understand the way that the filtering in the article works.
The filtering happens on the PC's that are running the web browsers (e.g. NetNanny), not (as is implied by many of the posts) at the ISP's or anywhere else (yet, at least).
One of the main purposes of filtering is to protect childeren on the internet. These users will only be coming across pr0n and various other "bad" things on the internet by bad luck or maybe because they search for something they shouldn't be. I don't think we have to worry about these users making use of proxies or the like.
On the other hand, who really cares if uni student's know how to get around filters? Afterall, they should be old enough to make decisions for themselves.
From Article: It wants mandatory filtering by internet service providers (ISPs), but with those aged over 18 able to opt out.
It seems they want to regulate content mainly for minors and people who want regulation.... Nothing really wrong with that.The head of the Internet Industry Association, Peter Coroneos, said mandatory filtering had been ruled out because "some families just don't have an issue with it".
Dosent seem doomsday here......."We feel the decision is best left in the hands of parents." He said the opt-out clause "could work" but feared routine filtering could seriously slow down the internet.
"Be very afraid. huh"
Classic example of sensationalism... where it is not required
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Australia doesn't have senators, it has ministers.
Not every slashdotter is an unwashed ex uni student who thinks it's a good idea to open the doors to anybody who rocks up in shitty clothing.
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And, thankfully, not all Australians are parochial, inbred, racist rednecks like you. A lot are though, judging by the success of dullards like Pauline Hanson amongst morons like yourself.
Personally I've been quite happy with the way the government has handled the refugees.
That's only ignorance. A good, free education for everyone will fix that right up in a couple of generations
They're detained so they (don't often) get away while their status is determined, and the real refugees are allowed in, the rest shipped out.
Even extreme right wing psuedo-Nazi politicians in Germany were astonished that we are putting people in concentration camps like this. I think they were envious.
And don't tell me it's not racist. If it wasn't, we would be rounding up all the British backpackers that are currently also "illegals" at Bondi and putting them in camps out in the desert. But we're not. Why not, exactly?
I jumped ship on a temporary basis and it's articles like this that make me glad I'm in Switzerland and not oz.
.... she still can't get ASDL. No cable either. Not even cable TV. Cable duopoly that has limited reach in Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane, which has stalled to a crawl?
... News LTD won't get all the $$$, so forget it. You are a disgrace Alston, Howard the Coward and the whole damn Liberal party. Wankers.
Pros:
- Great wads of legal cash at obscenely low tax rates
- No Alston, Howard the Coward and team.
- 1.5 hours flight to Amsterdam
- Good quality, high potency nearly-legal mull
- No Eddie McGuire
- Unlimited-download (but speed capped) ASDL
Cons:
- Howard the Coward doing his best to ruin Australia's reputation
- No MCG, PoW, Espy, ABC cricket broadcasts
- 7 Franks (~$Au 7.5) for a can of VB.
It's pornography and gaming (gambling and games) that have driven the use of the Web and the uptake of broadband. Email, USENET, ftp and even various chat protocols have been side attractions.
Alston is single-handedly driving away any hope of Australia being a content provider (and earning $$$) instead of being a content consumer (and watching the $$$ flow overseas).
Get a clue Alston, being a consumer of technology does not earn you any real $$$, not does it drive innovation. Anyone can be a consumer. Time has not only stood still under your stewardship, but gone backwards.
My fiance couldn't get any broadband in a middle sized city (for Australia), Ballarat. This was 3 years ago. She recently moved back there for our son's schooling and guess what
Here's a policy you can use for free: Local cable cooperatives with content providers paying for access. Oh
OK, I wandered off-topic for a while. But this guy wouldn't have a clue about the internet if it walked up to him, whacked him on the head with a clue-by-four, presented a business card and said: "Hi, I'm a clue". (Clue number 2: Free (as in speach) internet, increased parental supervision to stop nasty porn sites for youngsters) Of course, making people do hard work, actually raising their own kids, will never win votes.
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Fosters? noone in Australia drinks it. It's just a giant joke on everyone not in Australia.
There are a number of excellent beers from Australia , take a little time to hunt them up.
As for us being crimials, does that make people from the US terrorists? (AKA, War of Independence?)
Q:I was listening to a CD in Grip and it sounded horrible! What's up? A:Perhaps you are listening to country music
Remember, the Internet interprets these kinds of hurdles (blocks/gates/filters etc.) as defects, and routes around them. Always has.....always will.
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I work for an Australian ISP. Filtering of p0rn is a pain since it involves ISPs supplying to customers and supporting software which is (as the reports says) unreliable and not very effective. Not to mention that it can be very expensive. The current regulation is fairly simple in that the ISP just has to provide a link to download filtering software and customers can decide if they want to use it.
However the suggestion that porn would only be available to customers who were over 18 and opted out is pretty easy to handle.
Due to credit laws most ISPs only accept customers if they are 18 years or older so all an ISP has to do is make sure every customer opts to have unblocked Internet.
To get around this rule an ISP could just have as part of their signup a couple of boxes that say:
[ ] - I am 18 years old or over
[ ] - I wish to have unfiltered access to the Internet
People who don't accept the unfiltered part will have no access to the Internet at large. Instead when they login they would be presented with a online version of the above form which would convert their account to normal.
Existing users can be handled the same way, their Internet access is completely blocked until they fill out the option.
Obviously this is a bit of work for the ISP and will cause some expense but it's 100 times easier than implimenting real filteing for all customers, let alone dealing with the flack when some "filtered" custome r manages to access porn or is unable to get to a site they like.
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2. People ignore insane laws and follow reasonable courses of action.
3. Hem and haw about changing moronic legislation.
4.
5. Oh come on, you know what comes last.
They don't seem to censor programs much here, I think we'd get to see more than the USA would but maybe not quite as much as some parts of Europe. I've even heard the F-word in daytime TV on our public funded broadcaster the abc
/.) how to stop the banner ads on web sites. Sigh.
What the networks do (except our dear auntie ABC) is chop random chunks out of programs to make more advertising fit in. This has lead to some really strange broadcasts of things like Farscape and Buffy. And I've noticed one station has started putting "banner ads" directly on the actual programs. Too bad if there were subtitles, you wouldn't see them, and they certainly cover up the credits.
just when I've figured out (thanks to a post on
Hint: try google for doubleclick block hosts
-- it must be true, it's on the internet.
Try this filter instead:
http://dansguardian.org/
Free for non-commercial.
When a filter would be offered that blocks annoying mail from Korea, mail about penis enlargments, pop-up advertisements about such things, and access to counter sites etc, I would immediately opt-in.
It seems that the Australians are obsessed with filtering X-rated material, but often such authorities have no problem with violence, spam, fraud etc.
When they go through the trouble of installing filters, at least allow some more filtering criteria so that everyone can make his own choice.
And I, for one, am sick of his dickotry.
... etc etc
He denies that there is an unemployment problem in IT in Australia, which is a total joke because everyone I know in the industry has been feeling the pinch for over 12 months now. I work in tertiary education and enrolments are ~way~ down across all of our computing programs, IS, software engineering, everything, entrance scores (as in ratings of those coming straight from high school) have declined dramtically because of lack of demand. I have friends out of work
but NO, there is no downturn in IT at all.
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It's Linux based - and they guy in the article is right it does occasionally get some false positives - curiously the smh site is one of the ones it gets =).
Mind you I much prefer we do the filtering rather that the gov'ment.
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My favourite bit is the "opt out" of filtering for over-18s - as much an admission of the intent to masturbate as calling down to the front desk of the Hilton and saying "Yeah, hi, how do I get porn on this TV?"
We monitor what our child does, in fact the computer is in our living room so we know what she is doing. At the same time, all it takes is a trivial error to expose her to pornographic material. For example, type whitehouse.com instead of whitehouse.gov. This bit me the other day. She wanted to buy something for her "American Girl" doll. So we sat down at the computer. Unfortunately, I typed americangirls.com instead of americangirl.com.
Frankly I don't care if people have access to pornography. More power to them. BUT I do wish there was some simple way to separate pornography from everything else. E.g., a XXX domain. That way anyone who wants it can get it. At the same time, I just install a simple filter and I don't have to worry about trivial errors like I had with americangirl.
Frankly, I don't believe this is too much to ask. For example, I go to the book store and they put the porno mags on the top shelf, where my child is unlikely to make a trivial error and pick one up. In essence, that is all I'm asking of the internet.
Senetors are in the Upperhouse - the Senate.
Well im sick of my countrys stupid goverment, first there bullshit taxation laws, then there screwed up education system, the corrupt police force, and everything else. I think ill just move to canada where it might be just as bad, but everyone seems to be happy.
Pity I cant just do a CFS "Country From Scratch" like I can with linux eh, since nothing ever works correctly.
Hmm - and here I was thinking of going to Australia for grad school (at UNSW in Sydney) ... If I can't easily download pr0n in the lab while waiting for a gel to run, I may have to reconsider ...
Me? Debunk an American myth? And take my life in my hands?
It's a common misconception that a majority of Australian people are of convict descent. Only something like 10% of the population has a convict ancestor in the family tree. It is more likely less, I don't have a source I can find right now. Even then, most of the convicts were petty criminals, the old story of stealing a loaf of bread got you transportation and hard labour. There's books outlining the convicts transported, and the crime they committed to get the sentence - the one I remember most clearly was a woman, transportation and 10 years hard labour for "leaving the house without her husband's permission".(!!) Most of the initial arrivals here were free settlers - they were offered free land and passage and it sounded good compared to eating dirt in a life of poverty in the UK.
Labor, the main opposition party, has already announced that they will block this. Neither the Democrats or Greens are likely to support it either. If so, it's dead in the water.
Not to mention the fact that there's a whole lot of Australians who like their net pr0n, and they won't be happy if the government actually implements something that stops them getting it.
Oh, and Alston is a complete fuckwad. I know a staffer for another minister, and even he thinks Alston is a dickhead and that his staff don't have a clue about their portfolio.
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We used squid as a filter on our local school district's 'Net connection for years. In order to make it work right we set the Cisco border router to not allow any connections to port 80 from any machine other than the squid box. Then we set up the squid box as the default gw for all the machines, set the squid box to port forward port 80 to port 3128 and "viola!".
For the first few weeks we just looked through the logs of what the middle school boys were trying to access and added them to the filter list. It was simply amazing how these kids could find porn! But after a few months we got most of it into the filter list (a *long* list). Then we set squid up to notify one of the teachers whenever anyone went to a denied site. The teacher could just saunter over to the offending computer (every computer in the school is reverse DNS'ed) and tap the kid on the shoulder. Zero tolerance for porn in the classroom meant that even middle schoolers finally learned.
Of course, a school district is not the same as an ISP much less an entire country. Filtering out a 12-year-old's access to porn is important (IMHO). Filtering out an adult's access to anything is Orwellian.
But since squid *does* work, I'm just glad no one in Oz has noticed.
No one ever had to evacuate a city because the solar panels broke!
At least they're not going to war.
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Aussie Commandos 'in Iraq'
By staff writers
AUSTRALIAN and US special forces have already entered Iraq to lay the groundwork for any invasion, a US newspaper has reported.
The Boston Globe article suggests US troops have been joined by CIA agents, Australian, British and Jordanian commandos in Iraq.
It claims about 100 US Special Forces members and more than 50 Central Intelligence Agency officers have been operating in the country in small groups for at least four months.
The report is said to be based on information from "intelligence officials and military analysts who have talked with people on the teams".
Their role in Iraq is said to include hunting down Scud missile launchers and mapping minefields.
"The operations, which also have included small numbers of Jordanian, British, and Australian commandos, are considered by many analysts to be part of the opening phase of a war against Iraq," the report says.
Meanwhile, in Iraq a people's militia has carried out a war game designed to confront an enemy force attacking from several directions, according to another newspaper report.
The official daily Al-Iraq says the civilian militia of President Saddam Hussein's Baath Party practised operations in Babil province.
Militiamen tried deceiving an attacking enemy and fighting in urban and rural areas, the report says.
The brief article did not say how many troops took part, nor did it include photographs of the exercise.
It quoted a senior Baath party member, Fadhil Mahmoud al-Mishiykhi, as praising the fighters' efficiency and morale in battling a campaign against Iraq launched by the United States and "its Zionist ally" - meaning Israel
http://www.themercury.news.com.au/common/story_pa
Maybe they will just illegalize the whole internet this time and force all ISP's to close down completely. That way no one will ever hear a different opinion than what the Australian government approves of. Right?
I seem to recall hearing about a piece of software specifically for getting round this kind of filtering. The idea was that it would work like the gnutella p2p networks, so instead of your request going to a blocked IP, it went around it through several other innocous boxes.
It doesn`t matter how good filtering is, there are always ways around
there's a reason sites like whitehouse.com exist. and it's not because people associate porn with the executive branch of the federal government. these domains exist BECAUSE their owners hope you make a typing mistake.
not all porn sites behave in this fashion, just as not all people are immoral. But enough are so that even if there were a XXX domain (which is IMHO a good idea. it's three letters after all)it would not prevent these sorts of problems.
After all, these are the same type of people that blindly send pornographic spam to each and every AOL address they can get their grimy little hands on.
But just like SPAM, the internet is too unruly to be lassoed into proper behavior. As long as there's money in it there's always going to be people out there ready and willing to be devious.
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Unless you have some sort of proof, I'm going to have to call you FULL OF SHIT (I work for Fairfax, BTW).
Words are given weights. "Sex" may be weighted with a 20, for instance. So an article talking about worm reproduction might get through, especially since the word "reproduction" can be assigned a negative weight.
Do that for a school district, and it'll work. If the majority of the porn site's target audience was behind the same filter, you'd put SEX in neon colors, and "reproduction reproduction reproduction" in white on white.
Oh and if your pupils have email accounts, and get that kind of spam, do you whitelist your email server? If so they can just sign up for any one of a kazillion "get pr0n right in your mailbox" lists...
Kjella
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But I am not following this statement - how many people do you know under18 who live on their own and can afford monthly internet access?
Some, actually. But I still haven't found one that is legally able to enter a contract, such as an ISP agreement.
Kjella
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
I will agree that some porn sites are engineered to try and bypass such filters...but they are most often geared much more to try and entice search spiders, and thus are loaded with pretty revealing keywords. Lots of sites have gone to graphics-only, though, with little text to trigger keyword-based filters like I use. So the blacklists come in handy. Later versions of Dansguardians may include skin-tone matching for images...which of course generates other problems. The students here are not given e-mail accounts through the school. The teachers are, though, which, yes, led to our mail server being blanket whitelisted. But the teachers are a lot closer to being responsible than the kids. Anyway, I do a tail -f on the log file on occasion, and check what everybody's doing. For the kids that have Yahoo and Hotmail accounts, those aren't whitelisted, and their e-mails get heavily filtered because of that. I wholeheartedly agree that there is no substitute for supervision. But in an era where we are getting rid of teachers and my technology budget has been trimmed to almost nil, this is a wonderful solution. Their biggest effect is to make the kids realize that they are being monitored and logged. They don't even try after awhile.
As I don't have children accessing the Internet through my PC, I've not had a need to look at and experiment with filters and know very little about them. What I have heard is that these filters are based on blacklists/whitelists and/or keywords.
It seems to me that this is getting it all wrong. Traditional e-mail spam filters that work in a similar way have a lot of misses and a high risk of false positives, which is why people are now looking at "bayesian" type filters. Isn't it time the filtering industry came up with a more intelligent type of filter for porn? Hardcore porn images and movies are a much bigger concern than URLs and text in sites, yet current filters focus on the latter. Most porn looks very similar -- surely the technology is available to perform an analysis of images and movies and block them directly. Indeed, this type of analysis exists in software to identify similar images, such as ODIN Professional, which I use every so often.
While I believe a lack of parental supervision is the core of the problem, filters could be effective tools, and it seems to me that the industry needs to do a bit of innovating.
Frankly, I don't believe this is too much to ask. For example, I go to the book store and they put the porno mags on the top shelf, where my child is unlikely to make a trivial error and pick one up. In essence, that is all I'm asking of the internet
I do believe it is too much unless the TLD is optional. Where are you going to stick the mixed sites that don't segregate sexual from non-sexual material? Where are you going to stick erotic artwork? Where are you going to stick non-nude magazines? Where are you going to stick the more liberal of the free hosts (though that problem has almost solved itself:)?
Is this a sigs-optional kind of place? 'Cause I am totally down with that if you know what I mean.
Sex and human bodies are natural and beautiful... I don't understand what there is to hide. People feeling that their own bodies are something to be ashamed of probably has something to do with rediculously high suicide rates and whatnot, common in occidental society.
Spoon not. Fork, or fork not. There is no spoon.
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It's funny how you say this to him when it is very obvious that you are the uneducated bleeding heart spouting the same bullshit propaganda as told by Greenpeace/Democratic Socialist Party. You obviously don't understand the issue and have a very one-sided view of the facts, evident in your wonderfully well researched argument that "not all Australians are parochial, inbred, racist rednecks like you." Then you go on to invoke Godwin's law in your next paragraph! Here's a clue fucko, the minute you finish your arts degree and start paying tax, then you can actually look at some of these issues without counting on the liberal press to tell you how to think.
we would be rounding up all the British backpackers that are currently also "illegals" at Bondi and putting them in camps out in the desert. But we're not.
Actually dipshit, we are. The difference is though, they don't mind going home. Illegal immigrants from war torn countries and such are (of course) VERY reluctant to be returned home, so Australia is obliged to accomodate these people until their identities can be confirmed. If they fullfil the criteria to be given refugee status, they are treated as such and are put straight into community housing and financial support all paid for by our taxes. And, as the statistics show, it's not quite as cut and dried as you make out. Concentration Camps? Ypu are truly retarded. I've been out there myself, as I work in a related government field, and I can tell you, it is NO concentration camp. They are far better serviced than either our jails or juvenile detention centres, and have almost all the same luxuries as any austrailian household. (ie hot & cold water, beds, meals, entertainment, access to telephones and mail, etc) Maybe you should keep it quiet until you get the education you keep whining about.
"Unfortunately, I typed americangirls.com instead of americangirl.com."
Yeah, SURE this happened. You story just doesn't check out "Fred". Ya see, both americangirl.com and americangirls.com are registered to the SAME people, and neither one of them are porn sites:
Registrant:
Pleasant Company (AMERICANGIRL3-DOM)
8400 Fairway Place
null
US
Domain Name: AMERICANGIRL.COM
Administrative Contact:
ACKER, BOB-WN-CADA (BA5375) bob_acker@PLEASANTCO.COM
PLEASANT COMPANY
8400 fairway place
MIDDLETON, WI 53562
608 836 4848 (FAX) 608 828 4777
Technical Contact:
Schneider, Rick (RS16264) rick_schneider@PLEASANTCO.COM
Pleasant Company
8400 Fairway Place
Middleton , WI 53562
608-836-4848
Record expires on 26-Mar-2004.
Record created on 25-Mar-1997.
Database last updated on 4-Mar-2003 18:20:43 EST.
Domain servers in listed order:
GLACIER.BINC.NET 205.173.176.10
SMOKIES.BINC.NET 205.173.176.11
Registrant:
Pleasant Company (AMERICANGIRLS9-DOM)
8400 Fairway Place
Middletown
WI,53562-0998
US
Domain Name: AMERICANGIRLS.COM
Administrative Contact:
ACKER, BOB-WN-CADA (BA5375) bob_acker@PLEASANTCO.COM
PLEASANT COMPANY
8400 fairway place
MIDDLETON, WI 53562
608 836 4848 (FAX) 608 828 4777
Technical Contact:
Schneider, Rick (RS16264) rick_schneider@PLEASANTCO.COM
Pleasant Company
8400 Fairway Place
Middleton , WI 53562
608-836-4848
Record expires on 24-May-2004.
Record created on 24-May-2001.
Database last updated on 4-Mar-2003 18:21:05 EST.
Domain servers in listed order:
GLACIER.BINC.NET 205.173.176.10
SMOKIES.BINC.NET 205.173.176.11
Python
Sorry... americagirl.com is the wrong URL. When I wrote it this morning, I was doing it from memory without doublechecking the URL
Our Free to Air TV has always been very liberel. Shows like Sex in the City are shown at prime time on Monday night complete with all the colourful language. Dating back to the 70's, we had shows like The Box and Number 96 that have FULL FRONTAL nudity and sex scenes. Again, very popular shows screened at primetime. SBS shows films that are just down right porn, yet these same movies would not be allowed over the internet.
As an update, this morning (5th March) the government is now talking proxy servers at the point where the overseas cables come into Oz to filter content.
I just think that preventing my daughter from seeing information on Breast Cancer is too great a price to pay to stop my son from seeing Pamerla Andersen breasts.
I wish I could think of a witty Sig. Sigh!
This is mind-bogglingly stupid. How they plan on sniffing p2p and SSL encrypted stuff is beyond me. We will get broken web services while all the pr0n fiends will move to IRC and p2p (and even UseNet!).
A friend's first thought was that maybe this is actually about making surveilance of Internet activity easier.
Xix.
"Everything is adjustable, provided you have the right tools"
Since when did concentration camps feature regular meals, medical care, legal advice, education and the right to leave whenever you want ? These illegal immigrants are living better than the average homeless-on-the-street *citizen*.
You may prefer uncontrolled borders to detention centres, but to comparing them to concentration camps is the height of ignorance and stupidity - not to mention an insult to people who really *are* (or were) in "concentration camps".
It's crazy whackos like you that give people with genuine, based-in-fact-and-reality concerns a bad name. You probably think North Korea is an example of a good socialist government, as well.
It works the same way with auctions and personals on Yahoo - they are getting their butts kicked by eBay & Match.com - they don't care that more than half of the auctions and personals are fake, they are getting people to sign up and pay for their premium services. Not to mention, they are getting page hits and download ratings from akamai/inktomi etc that they can present to advertisers as bloated figures.
Yell & scream & rant & rave... it's no use... you need a shaaaave ~ Bugs Bunny