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Safari Beta 2 Available
pldms writes "Safari Beta 2 is available via Software Update or from the Safari page. This is build 73, for those who've had 'exclusive' access to previous development versions since beta 1 ;-) The blurb: 'Safari Beta 2 introduces tabbed browsing to conveniently see and switch between multiple web pages in a single window, and AutoFill to instantly fill out web forms and password fields. This update also features increased standards compatibility and improved application stability.'" I had to set Lax Certificate Checks in the Debug menu to use it with Slashdot ... and its secure cookie check is still quite broken (either saves secure cookies without the secure flag, or sends out secure cookies to insecure sites, which would violate
RFC 2965
where it says "no less than the same level of security").
Damn job! Interfering with my ability to play with Safari at home. I can't wait to see how the tabbed browsing implementation looks/feels.
That what was all this school was for... to teach us how to solve our own problems. -- janeowit
Hmm...in the About Safari window it's listed as 1.0 beta (v.73).
:).
Doesn't seem to be that much different from the previously leaked v67
With browsers this quick, Apple's going to have a hard time selling faster machines :-)
Apple has Safari.
Safaris are for big, strong dudes.
Acronym for big, strong dudes is "BSD"
BSD is dying.
Apple has a BSDish system under the hood.
ergo: Apple is dying.
Trolling is a art,
For a touch of karma whoring, for the people who never played around with an 'unreleased' beta (which includes me), the keyboard/mouse controls for tabbed browsing (which is turned off by default, and has it's own tab in the new Safari Preferences).
Apple-Click : Opens a link in a new tab.
Apple-Shift-Click : Opens a link in a new tab and selects it.
Apple-Option-Click : Opens a link in a new window behind the other one.
Apple-Option-Shift-Click : Opens a link in a new window and selects it.
There is also the check box option to always display the tab bar, plus 'Select new tabs as they are created', which alters the above keyboard setup.
I'm on my iBook at the moment, so I'm not sure how these interface with multi-button mice, but I guess you could configure the buttons to correlate with these modifiers, if you haven't already...
I had my doubts about Safari. After a few days of "testing" it out, I forgot how painful it was to use IE. Sure there are occations that Safari won't open a page or something, but this beta is better than most 5.X brosers that have been around for a while.
The new tabbed interface is VERY well done. I'm very happy with it now. Could be the perfect browser....for me at least.
My
Phew... When I saw a link to an RFC which was purportedly about about security I was sure it was the evil bit thingy. Had to click on the link to verify that it was a different RFC!
There's a novel new feature related to the Tabs that bears mention. If you have folder/menus in your Bookmark Bar populated with bookmarks, there's now a menu item at the bottom of that pull-down menu that says "Open in Tabs". If you select this it will create a new tab for all the bookmarks in that group of bookmarks! This is similar to a feature in Camino that lets you set up tab groups. What I'd like to see is the ability to save a tab group or "workspace" out to a special .webloc type file that I can use to launch a bunch of URLs from the dock, or by double clicking, etc. Maybe there's a way to do this right now?
I wish Apple had combined the tabs feature with their right-mouse-button click Google search feature. If you haven't seen this, RMB click on any word. One of the options is "Google Search". Selecting it will (surprise, surprise) take you to google.com to search for the word you had selected. I wish instead it opened a new tab to do the search. Seems like an obvious place to use tabs.
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Its available through software update now.
Well, even if it was mentioned you probably wouldn't read it since you missed the huge X icon and the words Apple at the top of the news item.
A good percentage of the people who come to my site are on *some* revision of safari.
Hey, now *there's* a bellwether for you! Who needs Gallup Polls and sophisticated statistical sampling when an AC will share abstracts from his homepage's usage log with us, eh?
Go to Preferences, click on Tabs, check "Enable Tabbed Browsing."
Oops. I submitted this assuming it would only appear in our little Mac corner of the Slashdot world. I forgot that most Apple stories make it to the front page these days, no matter how parochial :-)
In fairness, the phrases "tabbed browsing" and "multiple web pages" should have provided a hint...
Slashdot looked deep within my soul and assigned
me a number based on the order in which I joined
What is it that makes this browser so much better then the others?
I have some friends now that recently switched to the apple side of computing, and I can't help but laugh at them on some of the stuff they applaud Apple for. This browser is one of them.
They claim it is faster, but I just don't see how that is possible. The bottleneck in most all browsing I do is the network. Have they simply found a way to make it seem faster? Have other browsers on the Mac been slow in the past? I don't get it.
As a reference. I use IE at work, and Phoenix (or should that be the browser formerly known as Phoenix) at home. While I do appreciate some of the benefits of Phoenix over IE, I honestly think it is a toss up between them.
I think most of my problems nowdays are with sites that are just ugly. However, I can't tell the difference -- or maybe I just don't care -- between the way any browsers handle fonts and whatnot. I also can't notice most of the differences between how sites render. I do appreciate the fact that most sites appear stable in all browsers now.
So... what is so great about Safari?
Ok, updated Safari. Tabbed browsing support means Safari is now my default browser.
But I want to transfer the bookmarks from the bookmark bar in Camino to Safari. Seems like a lot of trouble. Because, well, it couldn't... or, it's OS X but yet... could bookmarks be drag-n-droppable? Between browsers from two entirely different places? They couldn't...
But they are. And that's damn sexy.
It just works.
Finally! Tabbed browsing... the one feature I missed from Camino!
From the fifteen minutes I've used it so far, Safari now "acts" a lot like Camino
Now I get the speed of Safari with the features of Camino!
Camino has been quite crashy for me (as others posting have mentioned as well) so I'll hold off the final verdict to see if Safari crashes less (though, I will state that it crashed less anyway... it just didn't have tabs!) :)
-A
I surfed over to the Debka file for and my tab for that page reads.
http://www.debka.com/
DEBKAfile, Political Anal
Not something I'd want my boss seeing.
There's a major font size issue and something mildly wonky with margins.
--- Ban humanity.
One of the things which makes me use iTunes on certain machines is the indiscriminate search feature and how it works so well with both librarys and playlists.
I would really like to see it added in someway to Safari as now it is my main browser my bookmarks, despite attempted organisation are beginning to get out of control.
Swapping the Google search panel for a bookmark search interface (when you flick the bookmark switch, which checked titles and URLs) would be cool, and as a 'power' feature if you could searched cached versions of the bookmark's pages as well it would be excellent (please inform me if another browser already has that functionality)...
For whatever reason, this version of Safari, as well as v.71, won't work with the cookies in Bugzilla. On two machines I've tried it on both bugzilla.mozilla.org and our own internal versions of it. Kind of annoying to work with tickets all day at work and have to keep re-logging in. Hopefully this issue has a nice workaround either on the Safari or the Bugzilla side.
I currently recommend a nightly build of Camino instead for these users. It now has a pretty nifty & flexible Google search bar finally (obligatory screenshot). I do miss the spell-as-you-type feature in Safari however.
Safari is not the greatest thing since penicillin. It won't save the world. It's not even a full release version.
What it is: a relatively svelte, quick-feeling (and yes that's partly just render speed), nicely spare browser that feels fine to use. Look at a page in Safari next to, say, Opera. The leanness of Safari stands out in several senses: render speed, clean layout, just the speed with which the program loads.
It's like a tool that feels good in your hand. Apple has a way of producing stuff like that. That's what your friends mean.
(And when your friends start claiming iCal as one of Apple's triumphs, then you can suspect them. There's a program in serious need of practical work, and much more of a beta than Safari. Slow as molasses, too.)
"Fundamentalism" isn't about divine morality. It's about human authority.
OK, for the record, when looking in your bookmarks and seeing the 'Open in Tabs' button when you think 'what does this do?' don't do it on a very full menu.
It opens every bookmark in that menu in it's own tab. Woot. talk about a lotta web pages
As a rock-in-roll Physicist once said, No matter where you go, there you are.
If you mean "how do I see what a link points to without following the link?" then you need to turn on the Status Bar from the View menu. Then a link that you're hovering over is displayed at the bottom of the window.
so far, this thing flies. i have only 2 minor complaints so far:
tab switching is kind of slow at times, even with only 2 or 3 tabs open.
i'm still waiting for them to get the 'check spelling as you type' pref to stick between sessions.
other than that, this browser is truly amazing. loads pages lightning quick,looks great, and the feature set is starting to set it at par with the other big time browsers for mac.
*** For a better tommorow, change your life today ***
Use Vince to change your default ftp helper. It's kind of like the protocol helper prefs in Classic IE.
I didn't know Dell made Speak 'n Spells
1) You can finally use a secure proxy: in past versions this was broken for some reason (anybody who has had it disabled for the past few months might want to re-enable it now).
2) Cookies are finally working on PHP nuke sites: previous versions would lose preferences right after signing in.
3) I can finally login to my university's registration system. It uses this software; I'm guessing other schools rely on it too.
Anything else?
Arabic language support is still not quire right (certain letters in words are being displayed too small). A Windows Media Player plugin might be nice, but that probably is on the shoulders of M$ more-so than Apple. Other than that everything is perfect; tabs were something I was expecting anyway, and the right-click Google search was a surprise bonus.
Another thread here touting Camino was mysteriously modded "flamebait" so here goes...
I have used and loved Chimera for many months for many reasons. As other have found, the renamed Camino is crash-prone, strange in the very last nightly build of Chimera before the trademark-conflict name change (which you can find easily by anonymous FTP to their server) is great. I downgraded to Build 2003030408 and am content.
Now comes Safari, also great, except the lack of tabbed browsing and that awful brushed metal stuff. OK, tabbed browsing is now checked off on the feature list. Safari shares a startling number of other features, and then some. Eventually Safari will be indistinguishable from Camino/Chimera. Congratulations Apple, what a coup.... (Hey guys, add keywords for bookmarks so I can continue to google with "g keyword keyword" and I'll switch.)
So what's the deal for independent software efforts? Bust yourself to develop and demonstrate new UI and core technologies to have them lifted by a large for-profit computer maker? Granted the open source Camino is intended to create new work without profit, but at some point it will also lose the "profit" of public attention, and wither away, and cease to produce new things.
At the least I'd like to see Safari give a nod to Chimera. At the best I'd like an answer from Apple how they're not doing the Internet Explorer thing in miniature, and how non-Apple developers will continue to inspire and be inspired when they face having their work negated in a mere twitch of the tail of the whale.
I'm a Mac person, and back to the years before the Mac (the Apple ][+ is in a box). I think Apple has often done the right thing and will continue to (often) do the right thing. But there is something disturbing in their generous production of free software, similar in effect if not (I hope) intent to what Redmond has done. Be careful, Apple.
Anyone else notice that Autofill now not only works, it gets info from the (system wide) AddressBook? Change your address in one place for envelopes, Palm Business Cards, and now your browser!
Ok, so it is minor. Still cool.
'Sensible' is a curse word.
If software update doesn't show the new Safari, make sure the old one's in the root of your Applications folder, otherwise it won't recognise it.
yeah the tabs are really great but, It really would be nice if I could stop moving my window from side to side looking for the Tab behind the one I am on!
"If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" - Albert Einstein
which is nicer to see when you right click on the background of a webpage, this:
- Safari
- view source
- save page as
ormind you, i see all that crap EVERY time i rightclick on the background in konqueror. why do i see create data cd? why do i see open in new tab? i'm not even right clicking on a link!
If browser makers reduced half this clutter it wouldn't even be nearly as useful and powerful as safari.
- tristan
Once you create the folder you can just drag it into another folder. Once you have your PHP, Perl and Java folder filled, you can click on the "Show all bookmarks" icon in the bookmark bar. Then click on the Development folder. Then drag the PHP... folders from the collections pane to the bookmarks pane.
Camino makes you look at ads, too, you dork.
/etc/hosts to block ad servers, and you won't have to look at many banner ads in /any/ browser.
/etc/hosts:
/Applications/Utilities/Directory Access.
Learn to use
Example entry in
0.0.0.0 ad.doubleclick.net
I see no ads from that server anymore.
For more info, check out http://www.everythingisnt.com/hosts.html
However, to enable this file, you must enable "BSD Configuration Files" with/in
-/-
Mikey-San
Mikey-San
Karma: +Eleventy billion (mostly affected by watching Celebrity Jeopardy)
First, note that I have used, and liked Camino.
That said, I have a couple of points to make in response to your post. First, in what way is what Camino's doing being "lifted" by Apple? They are using KHTML, not Gecko etc., so it's not the code. And it seems a little harsh to criticize Apple for putting in features that everyone's been asking for since the beginning. Second, why shouldn't Apple do this? If they can make something that is better than everything that's out there, all it can do is help their image with the public. If the people making other browsers can't compete, (I truly don't mean to be harsh here), that's too bad. I think that the Camino team are doing a fabulous job, and I hope that they can continue to do so. However, if they cannot make a better product than Apple, why should Apple be faulted for this? I believe that they won't go under, though; I think that this will simply challenge them to do even better. And I say good luck to them: both to Apple and the people working on Camino.
Dan Aris
not bothering to log in at school
This is great. I don't have a Mac, and I have no intention of getting one, but I really like seeing good progress in Safari, since by the time KDE 3.2 comes out, I'll get most of those advances in my own lurvely Konqueror.
:)
Thanks Apple!
Did anyone else look through the Safari theater? They show you how to bookmark Slashdot!
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And we also have a cancel button...in case you don't want toast.
and then relaunch Safari. A new menu entitled "Debug" should be available.
Pi
If you like this feature in Safari, I highly recommend the simple and elegant SearchGoogle service. The page says "10.1" at the top, but that's 10.1 or higher -- it works fine for me on Jaguar.
The service lets you search Google with selected text in any app supporting services, not just Safari, with just a cmd-shift-G. It's amazing how useful this is! For example, I'll often select some class name in my code to look for online docs.
True, it doesn't integrate with Safari's tabs in any slick way -- it just opens a new window. It's still pretty sweet, though.
But in general, Opera is cluttered by comparison with IE, leave alone Safari. It has a modest measure of feature creep -- mail client, a "Contacts" list as part of my browser? Between the two Opera versions I can see without standing up, here, it seems not to particularly respect the API of the OS. (One version is treating non-modal "Transfers" dialogs so that I can't drag them outside the program's overall frame. Dang it, get outta the way! The other, new one includes some pretty whacky, sometimes ambiguous stuff like check boxes and radio buttons together in the same right-click contextual dialog. I just tried to close the sidebar deal -- I hate that -- but along the way I accidentally removed a few of the buttons from it. Also seem to have dragged a tab down into the list area, and it showed up there but I don't know what that actually means. Oops. Well, it's gone now.)
We all like tweakability in principle, but why are there three different basic preferences items on two different menus in version 7.10? Why do I have my Google search box in a completely different spot from the three other search boxes in the default layout, again? Why are there 16 different icons in the basic Nav toolbar? You'd really use maybe three of those, unless you honestly buy "Magic Wand" and "Fast Forward" as basic Web approaches(?). The "mystery meat" ones you have to mouse over to figure out are just cholesterol. Seems like a bit of work to get to a clean Web browser.
Sort of the difference between a gaudy leatherman tool and a solid pair of pliers. Just my take, and no offense intended. Some people carry their leatherman everywhere, but I just want a pair of pliers handy when I need 'em.
"Fundamentalism" isn't about divine morality. It's about human authority.
Sendmail and sshd were both cracked recently and needed updated. The guys who code these programs were on the ball and had patches ready and waiting just hours after the security holes were discovered. Both a Linux box and my dual 1.42GHz Mac system needed updated. Here's a breakdown of how this went on my Mac:
1. open System Preferences's Software Update Control Panel
2. hit the CHECK NOW button
3. hit the INSTALL button
4. wait for Mac OS to download, install, and optimize the updates
Total time: 4 minutes
Now here's how it went in Linux. I was severely unimpressed:
1. download the source code for sendmail and sshd
2. check the readme file for library and driver version requirements
3. download new library files
4. compile new library files
5. update older applications not compatible with new versions of library files
6. compile source for sendmail and sshd
7. email a mailing list about errors during compilation
8. wait a few days for the correct response
9. recompile new sendmail and sshd
10. update Linux kernel with patches
11. reboot Linux
Total time: 200 minutes (over the course of 3 days)
What version of Linux were you using? With Debian, its like this:
apt-get update
apt-get upgrade
Sendmail and sshd exploits taken care of.
BTW, I own an iBook. I'm running 10.2.5 on it. So I know the pluses and minuses of each.
This release renders NPR's The World correctly for the first time.
One nice Safari feature is the two-click procedure to report a broken page to Apple. The World is the only page I ever had to report. Now I am happy.
Of course, The World is produced by PRI, not NPR. Sorry.
I've been using Safari since the first beta was released but it was only this last weekend when I realized that I couldn't find something in it: MIME-type configuration.
I ran into this when I realized that I couldn't tell it how to handle Bit Torrent but had no problems with Mozilla. You know, some way of teaching Safari how to handle a new type?
Does anyone know how this is supposed to be done?
--Richard
...SafarIcon, available on versiontracker.com. It is just a "theme changer" for Safari, changing out all the icons and graphics used by Safari. I wouldn't have gone to Safari so quickly without this ability because I truly can't stand the default look of Safari. I'm currently using a theme called Phoenity (available from the SafarIcon homepage or from www.phoenity.com), and all of its icons are simple, with bright colors, and very easy to distinguish their intended function (including the add-to-bookmarks and stop icons). As well, I'd recommend Metallifizer from www.unsanity.com to kill the brushed metal look in Safari (and any other Cocoa app). The lack of brushed metal and the use of a good looking theme have given Safari what I consider nearly perfect looks and layout.
Perl - $Just @when->$you ${thought} s/yn/tax/ &couldn\'t %get $worse;
I wonder if you're a troll or just someone who likes to sounds clever?
Most Windows installers maximize their window, whereas all common Mac installers just use a regular window.
How many Windows users do actually minimize the installer screen though? How many just sit watching its pretty blue bar?
Oh! Now in this paragraph we can all see you're not talking about installers on the Mac after all, you're talking about you're talking about the Quicktime for Windows installer. The fact you cannot minimize it sounds annoying, true. However, as you point out you can always press Windows-M to get rid of it. Or Alt-Tab one assumes...?
So infact the set of users who are effected by this issue comes down to those people who
In other words, its a tiny annoyance in Apple's Windows installer which, while it should be corrected, has almost no effect on anyone...
Have you actually any examples, beyond vague suggestions that the Mac "File Manager" wasn't multi-threaded enough in Mac OS X 10.0 ? I mean, I wouldn't claim its perfect even in 10.2, but then I've used Windows NT and its "File Manager" for over half a decade now, and you know, it has a few threading issues too. I don't want to be rude, but other than your poorly constructed installer rant, you don't actually seem to have any examples.
Of course, you have links you could share with us to actual profiling results showing comparisons between MacOS, Windows and Linux (et al.). These show conclusively where "responsiveness differences" occur, and then proceed to demonstrate how these are surely caused by the Mach micro kernel and not any other factor like, just for example: hardware or boneheaded programing in the File Manager or GUI?
Please do post such material. It would be very interesting.
Lord Pixel - The cat who walks through walls
A little bigger on the inside than out
The funniest thing of all about Opera is the company who makes it.
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... They're both great browsers--fast as hell, tab-enabled, built on open source technology (and as such get two great rendering engines), and get updated more than one or two times a year (IE can eat me).
:-D
Opera to Apple: "Use our rendering engine or we'll have to rethink our product's availability on the Mac."
Apple to Opera: "HAhhahhsgkjlasdhlglasfasjklroflroflroflololodgja
Camino is definitely cool in my book, though. I figure, the Mac has Camino and Safari
Opera on Windows is nice, but they've never given a crap about Mac users, and thus Mac users have never given a crap about them.
Lesson: Meh, who cares. Use Safari and Camino and be done with it.
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Mikey-San
Mikey-San
Karma: +Eleventy billion (mostly affected by watching Celebrity Jeopardy)
If you notice, this browser is 10.2 meg. After doing a get info on the file, I noticed that it supported languages that I would never use. To make your Safari smaller, do a get info on it, click the languages arrow and remove all the langs you don't want/need.
Removing French, German and Japanese brought the file size down to 7.6 meg.
- Zav - Imagine a Beowulf cluster of insensitive clods...