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Book-Digitizing Robots

Makarand writes "Robotic digitization systems are the new help available to complete voluminous scanning tasks. Robots that can turn the pages of books and newspaper volumes and attain scanning speeds of more than 1000 pages/hour are now available. They even use puffs of compressed air to separate sticky pages!"

233 comments

  1. Freedom 'Bots by rdewald · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I think there is a touch of naivete in this notion:

    "Think about the power of bringing our library to little schools in the middle of Africa," Keller said. "Would it make a difference for those who now have their minds closed to the idea of democracy?"


    I am not sure it would. It might turn them on to the idea of thinking for themselves, though. That could have interesting consequences. Unfortunately, just this very possiblity is threatening to those who are now profiting from their ignorance. These people are likely in a position to be gatekeepers for the dissemination of information.

    But, having a robot do something which is enhanced by mindless repetition is a natural robotic application. Then having that application be something that could enable political liberation is a interesting twist of the old "robots in service to humanity" ideals. I'm not so sure that those holding the reins are going to be so interested in this--call me cynical.

    What I would like to see is a similar device for converting analog recordings, in whatever form be at tape, vinyl, wax cylinders, to an open digitized format and then have those recording made available in like fashion. It might be just as interesting to turn those kids in Africa on to Mozart, or oral arguments from the Supreme Court.
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    1. Re:Freedom 'Bots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I'm not so sure that those holding the reins are going to be so interested in this--call me cynical.

      There's an old saying: "If you don't like the government of a country in Africa, wait five minutes." /me is spending his vacation on safari in Pepsi Presents New Zanzibar.

    2. Re:Freedom 'Bots by Herg · · Score: 2, Funny

      Isn't Mozart already available in digitized format?

    3. Re:Freedom 'Bots by Joe+the+Lesser · · Score: 4, Funny

      Would it make a difference for those who now have their minds closed to the idea of democracy?

      Are you talking about the US Government here?

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    4. Re:Freedom 'Bots by CodeHog · · Score: 2, Insightful
      "Think about the power of bringing our library to little schools in the middle of Africa," Keller said. "Would it make a difference for those who now have their minds closed to the idea of democracy?"

      Think about the power of bringing food and water to little communities in the middle of Africa. Now that's powerful.

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    5. Re:Freedom 'Bots by KrispyKringle · · Score: 4, Informative
      Interesting point. However, its useful to note that there are a lot of charitable and commercial corporations which currently fund (perhaps for the PR value rather than their own good intentions, and because the US dollar goes so far in most parts of Africa) technology initiatives and other educational programs. I've posted in the past about a program I'm involved in funded by a couple US coporations to put computers and networks in a West African university.

      In regards to your vinyl recording idea, couldn't you just hook up a record changer (yes, they do make these; they have a big spindle and an arm) to a DAT or similar digital recording device, and then use some audio software to cut tracks at blank space?

    6. Re:Freedom 'Bots by qoncept · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Wouldn't they need something capable of viewing these digitized formats first?

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    7. Re:Freedom 'Bots by vidnet · · Score: 1, Funny
      or oral arguments from the Supreme Court

      Eh? Like the Clinton thing?

    8. Re:Freedom 'Bots by PateraSilk · · Score: 3, Funny

      To crib some characters from lower down--

      It might turn them on to the idea of thinking for themselves, though.

      Mbutu: Whoa. Plato sez this is all a shadow of some higher plane of existence.

      Kwasa: Die Hutu scum!

      Unfortunately, just this very possiblity is threatening to those who are now profiting from their ignorance.

      Mbutu: Whoa. Marx sez the capitalists exploit the surplus wealth from their employees. Adam Smith sez each person has the ability to trade freely in the marketplace to maximize his or her advantage. Why am I digging these diamonds for foreign robber barons again?

      Kwasa: Die Hutu scum!

      "Think about the power of bringing our library to little schools in the middle of Africa."

      Mbutu: Whoa. Gandhi sez nonviolence is the best way to solve problems. What do you say to that, class?

      Kwasa: Die Hutu scum!

      Ahh, well. One can always dream, right?

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    9. Re:Freedom 'Bots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You people are so fucking patronising...

      Perhaps I should send you Americans some recordings of the British parliament so you can learn about decomcracy, because your's is so fucked.

    10. Re:Freedom 'Bots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This thread doesn't have enough screw sorting in it. I give it a 7/10.

    11. Re:Freedom 'Bots by gurps_npc · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I think your concept of converting analog to digital is ridiculous.

      Analog by definition is ALWAYS readable. It is the SINGLE format that is by definiton OPEN, can always be understood by anyone, and can stan the test of time. Aliens could discover an analog recording 50 billion years from now and decode it without knowing ANYTHING else about our culture. But right now, data encoded 25 years ago in an open digital format is often incredibally hard to translate to a usable form.

      Digital requires people to understand the digital format. The ONLY advantage to it is quality via the suprression of unintended noises. But if we are copying something that started out as Analog, then the quality improvement is minimal at best.

      DO not blindly use Digital for things that Analof is far better.

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    12. Re:Freedom 'Bots by torpor · · Score: 1

      But, having a robot do something which is enhanced by mindless repetition is a natural robotic application. Then having that application be something that could enable political liberation is a interesting twist of the old "robots in service to humanity" ideals. I'm not so sure that those holding the reins are going to be so interested in this--call me cynical.

      I'll see your cynicism and raise you some conspiracy.

      Technology such as this just makes it easier to burn books.

      "We've got it all digitized now, promise, go on, you can light them yourselves!"

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    13. Re:Freedom 'Bots by Monsieur_F · · Score: 1
      Analog [...] can always be understood by anyone

      Well, I prefer to have a digitized version of a Chinese book, which I will be able to send into
      babelfish to have a rough idea of what it is about,
      rather than having the "analog" book...

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    14. Re:Freedom 'Bots by Tackhead · · Score: 4, Insightful
      > Analog by definition is ALWAYS readable. It is the SINGLE format that is by definiton OPEN, can always be understood by anyone, and can stan the test of time. Aliens could discover an analog recording 50 billion years from now and decode it without knowing ANYTHING else about our culture. But right now, data encoded 25 years ago in an open digital format is often incredibally hard to translate to a usable form.

      Hey Glortzotnik! Check this out! These humans, they used lasers to inscribe little hills and valleys in aluminum discs 12" in diameter for video, then smaller hills and valleys in aluminum discs 5" in diameter for audio, and then they used lasers to start chemical reactions that changed the color of a dye later in big sloppy round holes with lots of fuzziness around the edges for video again.

      Okay, nothing wrong with that, but the funny part - get this - they called the laser paintings and the chemical dyes "digital", as if it were somehow different from scratching clay with a stick or a wax cylinder with a needle. Laugh riot, these humans!

      To a DSP engineer, everything is analog.

    15. Re:Freedom 'Bots by rdewald · · Score: 1

      I know you're making a clever joke, but had "A" student instead of a "Gentleman's C" student been appointed President of The United States in 2001 it is quite possible that our government might be more representative of the interests of US Citizens. Certainly, I think it is quite likely that dissent and the loyal opposition would not be held in such contempt by someone who hit the books instead of the beer bong in college.

      I used to wish a third political party could develop in the USA.

      Now I'd just like to see a second.

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    16. Re:Freedom 'Bots by konch · · Score: 4, Insightful

      actually, Africans such as the Igbo people of Nigeria have always had democratic institutions. And most Africans I know are very well informed. The people who need to learn more about democracy are the Americans. They've got a long ways to go.

    17. Re:Freedom 'Bots by TitanBL · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      The Igbo had tribal councils - good for them - espically impressive in contrast to their surrounding cultures which are more represenative of overall African culture.
      http://www.uiowa.edu/~africart/toc/peopl e/Igbo.htm l

      America is a republic not a democracy. That being said, whom do you propose Americans look too for guidence? Africa? Europe? U.N.? Ha.

      Pragmatically, the American goverment is the best example of "democracy"/capitalism to date. Not to mention that the U.S. is the oldest national "democracy" in exsistence. Maybe these the reasons why the US constitution (federalism) has been the model by which the majority of exsisting free nations based their goverments (france, germany, canada, tiawan, spain, russia, ...)

      Kinda interesting link:
      http://www.freedevelopers.net/

    18. Re:Freedom 'Bots by Idarubicin · · Score: 2, Funny
      Freedom 'Bots

      Word to the wise--since the invasion of Iraq is over now, we're allowed to call them French Bots again.

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    19. Re:Freedom 'Bots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "I would like to see is a similar device for converting analog recordings, in whatever form be at tape, vinyl, wax cylinders, to an open digitized format and then have those recording made available in like fashion."

      That's already been invented and tried. It was called Napster.

    20. Re:Freedom 'Bots by gurps_npc · · Score: 1
      Go look up your definitions. Digital does NOT mean electronic, it means simple symbols used to represent specific concepts (such as using "000000" to represent the color white, or other symbols like "w-h-i-t-e" to represent that same color. )Analog is an actual representation of all information, i.e. a sample of all the minor variations used instead of a single value. Words are by definition Digital. No text only communication is possible in an analog format. Words take general concepts ideas and restricts them down to specific meanings, leaving out the over-tones etc. The closest analogy to what you are discussing would be a first draft with stuff scribled on the pages. The digital copy would remove this non-essential graffiti, as it is just static, but the analog version would keep it.

      Which would you prefer, an "Analog" version of a copy of an original draft which includes all the notes etc. scribbled into into the margins by the AUTHOR of the book, or a "Digital" version which has left out all the non-essential static that makes it harder to read the "manuscript".

      Analog by definition has less static. This makes repeated copies, easier to make. (it measuures the entire area and takes an average which if digital is all a single value) However, that static is also called ADDITIONAL information, which and this additional data is FAR harder to degrade than simpler digitital information.

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    21. Re:Freedom 'Bots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Are you talking about the US Government here?

      Unfortunately, just this very possiblity is threatening to those who are now profiting from their ignorance.

      Apparently he's talking about the Democratic Party.

    22. Re:Freedom 'Bots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He said Supreme Court, not White House.

    23. Re:Freedom 'Bots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Mbutu: Whoa. Smith & Wesson say a handful of sand in the warlord's machine gun will jam it.

      Kwasa: Die Hu.. uh.. Drive Away! Drive Away!

      --

      Mbutu: Whoa. The Bible says a rock in a sling can kill someone.

      Kwasa: Die Hu..

      --

      Mbutu: Whoa. Did you see the description of this thing called a Molotov Cocktail?

      Kwasa: Die Hu...eee...AAAaaaaaaaaaa...

      --

      Mbutu: Whoa. The Matrix says we're all in a computer simulation. Let's go to that telephone in the next village.

      Kwasa: Die Hutu scum!
      Mbutu: There is no Kwasa.

    24. Re:Freedom 'Bots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, we could have had the inventor of the Internet as president...or was it the Unabomber? I don't remember which way that game goes...

    25. Re:Freedom 'Bots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Its a good thing that the 'I invented the internet' quote is a hoax.

      Wouldn't want people to know the truth, now would we?

  2. Yeah but... by mschoolbus · · Score: 2, Funny

    What about that Speed Reading TV Offer I took advantage of?!?!?!?!

    1. Re:Yeah but... by Ed+Avis · · Score: 1, Funny

      What about the scene in 'Short Circuit' (or was it the sequel) where Johnny Five is speed-reading all the books in the library?

      Mmm, IN-PUT!

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      -- Ed Avis ed@membled.com
  3. Digitizing Pr0n? by Flamesplash · · Score: 2, Funny

    They even use puffs of compressed air to separate sticky pages!

    Whoah! I guess some pr0n really have decent articles.

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    1. Re:Digitizing Pr0n? by msheppard · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm afraid a "puff of compressed air" ain't gonna unstick those pages.

      M@

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    2. Re:Digitizing Pr0n? by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      "Whoah! I guess some pr0n really have decent articles."

      Heh when I went to Brazil I brought back a porn mag in Portuguese. A year or so later my gf found it and asked me that was about. I told her I just read the articles. She opened it up and with a quizzical look on her face just put it down and dropped the topic.

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    3. Re:Digitizing Pr0n? by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      "I'm afraid a "puff of compressed air" ain't gonna unstick those pages."

      Perhaps. But a few good puffs of air could have prevented the pages from sticking.

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      "Derp de derp."
  4. Hard to read on a screen. by Obscenity · · Score: 3, Insightful

    After a long night of coding or sleeping for that matter, it is hard to focus on the text on the screen. Scrolling down is another matter, i end up putting text up to 200% zoom in Mozilla. So now we can all print out these digatized copies and read them. This is neat stuff sure, but reading from a screen is hard, and most people will print it out anyways. The good thing is that people can now download it from the net. Assuming it is hosted on a site.

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    1. Re:Hard to read on a screen. by brunes69 · · Score: 1

      I find reading on a screen much easier. I never print anything, and actually prefer to read books, news, and magazines online so that I don't waste paper.

    2. Re:Hard to read on a screen. by orangesquid · · Score: 1

      Hmm.. I'm curious:
      When did you start using computers? Did you read a lot as a child? What color eyes do you have? Do you wear sunglasses? How well do you see in the dark? What brand/model of monitor do you have? What's your brightness setting? Contrast setting? Is your screen gamma-corrected and/or color-corrected?

      I prefer paper to monitor. I believe it is because it is much less busy/distracting and my eyes are sensitive to bright light.

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    3. Re:Hard to read on a screen. by JR · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I often read a great deal of my news and general research on the screen. I do this at a variety of screen resolutions, but often at 1024 x 768 up to 1600 x 1200 always at a refresh of 75 Hertz or higher.

      I've made no special adaptations for purity of screen color or gamma.

      I have excellent low light vision and wear sunglasses only on the brightest of days or in special circumstances like spending time in high glare situations (on the water, bright sand, snow, etc.).

      I've even read entire novels on the comparatively low resolution of an early Palm III. In that instance, the greater annoyance was more the small amount of text per "page" than the quality of the image.

    4. Re:Hard to read on a screen. by JR · · Score: 1

      On a related but separate note, what every happened to the ultrahigh resolution (200-250 dpi) displays which were being talked about a couple of years ago?

      For that matter, what about electronic paper?

    5. Re:Hard to read on a screen. by timeOday · · Score: 1
      I have found at work that older people print out stuff a lot more.

      (I'm sure not ALL older people print a lot, but all the prolific printers I know are older).

    6. Re:Hard to read on a screen. by Eccles · · Score: 2, Funny

      This is neat stuff sure, but reading from a screen is hard, and most people will print it out anyways.

      Am I the only person reading Slashdot who gets amused by someone who says that?

      You won't get first post that way, anyways...

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    7. Re:Hard to read on a screen. by divbyzero · · Score: 1

      They're getting closer. A current generation mainstream laptop with a 15 inch SXGA+ (1400 x 1050 pixel) LCD has a resolution of 117 DPI. A slightly less mainstream but not prohibitively expensive 15 inch UXGA (1600 x 1200 pixel) LCD has a resolution of 133 DPI. Thanks, Pythagorus.

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    8. Re:Hard to read on a screen. by StarFace · · Score: 1

      I have a 15" 1600x1200 UXGA display in my laptop. Now, I got it loaded, but you could get it for as cheap as around $1,800, and it makes a wonderful eBook reader. Even with ClearType turned off, the DPI is so high that you don't get fatigued from hard to parse glyphs after a few hours. For brightness, I just dim the monitor down so that it is just a shade brighter than the ambient lighting in the room. I could read for hours under those conditions. The only problem is the bulk of the laptop itself. I also do a lot of mobile reading, or just laying on the couch reading, with a 320x320 resolution Palm pilot. While not as convincing as the laptop screen, it does all right.

      Before these technologies came about though, I always avoided reading on a screen. Mostly because my primary computer was an iBook, which in tandem with OS X's rather aggressive anti-aliasing makes characters extremely tiring to read.

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    9. Re:Hard to read on a screen. by brunes69 · · Score: 1

      Ive been using them non-stop since I was 15. I read alot as a child (go hardy boys!) and am still a very good / fast reader, though I don't do it much anymore. Eyes ar eblue (what does that matter?) I can see average in the dark I suppose... Monitor settings dont matter... I have had many monitors over the years. I just hav eneve rhad a problem reading stuff on screen.. I never really got why people do.

    10. Re:Hard to read on a screen. by orangesquid · · Score: 1

      Hardy boys rock :) I also read a lot of Tom Swift. Blue eyes are more sensitive to bright light, generally.

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  5. will there be by emo+boy · · Score: 0

    books that change pages into robots next? What's this world coming to???

  6. Application by Omkar · · Score: 1

    ...not innovation. I know it's important, but it's not as exciting. Perhaps this attitude is why software is so buggy?

  7. Input? by dev_alac · · Score: 0

    Iiiiinput!

    So they're finally going to make something good come out of the Short Circuit movies?

  8. Short Circuit by sin(theta) · · Score: 5, Funny

    Finally, Johnny-5 is coming alive!

    1. Re:Short Circuit by MadLibs · · Score: 1

      damn. you stole my comment. bat rastard. ;)

  9. impress me by Shadestalker · · Score: 1

    Make me say "whoa." Make robots that skip to the end to find out whodunit.

    1. Re:impress me by Discoflamingo13 · · Score: 1

      "I think the butler did it . . ."
      *flip flip flip flip flip*
      "He did!"

  10. Current Books? by Acidic_Diarrhea · · Score: 2, Interesting

    With all this trouble of digitizing books, when the publishers send their books to libraries - do they include digital copies? They really should. Although, I don't know if there's an RIAA equivalent in the literary world but if there is, the idea of giving a digital copy might frighten them. Librarians? Has a publisher ever mentioned digital copies that are in a non-crippled format?

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    1. Re:Current Books? by KrispyKringle · · Score: 1

      I forget the exact name (Book Writers Guild? Writers and Publishers Guild?) but there is an organization which has been in the news in the past for complaining about used copies of books being sold at places like Amazon.com and undercutting their profits from the new books. So, yes, I guess there is an RIAA equivalent, at least to some degree. Certainly, the copyright owners still can prevent unlimited digital copies, though, book-RIAA or no.

    2. Re:Current Books? by Drakin · · Score: 2, Informative

      I beleive that up until recently most contracts between publishers and authors didn't include rights to publish digital versions.

      Not sure in the non fiction line of books who has uncrippled digital versions, but in fiction, Baen leads the way, between their Webscriptions service, free library, and the CD's included with some of their recent hardcovers. They provide the books in HTML, RTF, Mircrosoft Reader, some format that's Palm/Psion/WinCE friendly and Rocket Ebook.

      The first two are more than enough... their HTML setup is quite good actually.

    3. Re:Current Books? by Rick.C · · Score: 1
      Easy now... think of your happy place.

      My wife, the librarian (who is not a lawyer), says that libraries are exempt from all that copyright stuff. There are laws that specifically give libraries permission to lend copyrighted works.

      Interestingly, this also allows them to lend out software titles even though the EULAs specifically prohibit this. They do try to stay within the spirit of the law, however. You won't find a copy of WinXP Pro on the shelves, or game CDs (because they tend to "disappear"), but there are lots of kiddie titles ("Mortimer Moose Does Math" and "ABCs for Dummies").

      They already lend books-on-tape cassettes, which are not copy-protected, so maybe digitized older books is a possibility. Current best-sellers would likely be a different issue, though.

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    4. Re:Current Books? by molotovito · · Score: 1

      Now I can have copies of my cd liner notes to go along with my cd copies.

  11. Just like my old teacher by mike_c999 · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Combine this with M$ speech synthesis (Sam) and that could replace my old history teacher.

    All he did was dictate notes to us, Very Fast and boring

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  12. Scanned pages by Ed+Avis · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This story is a good opportunity to plug some free software you could use to help digitize books.

    Stuart Inglis's tic98 is a lossless compressor designed for black-and-white scanned documents. It achieves better compression ratios than anything else, or at least it did a couple of years ago. If you have scanned documents to make available online, it's fairly simple to write a CGI script to convert tic98 on the fly to PDF.

    Hopefully someone else will reply to this comment with a recommendation of good free OCR software.

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    1. Re:Scanned pages by tempestdata · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, I've seen this robot operate in person and it is a work of art. The way the arms move makes you think its going to rip the book to pieces, yet some how it manages to pick up exactly one page( It detects if its picked up two pages and drops the extra page) and flip it.

      I was the lead developer for the software side that actually does the crunching on the images. However, I'm not sure exactly how much I am allowed to talk about it so I wont. Basically, the software side of it does produce PDFs, JPGs and TXT files from the OCR performed on the images.

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    2. Re:Scanned pages by tempestdata · · Score: 2, Informative

      Oh... and no, unfortunately, its not open souce.

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    3. Re:Scanned pages by brarrr · · Score: 0, Redundant

      I saw it too, several years ago. It's working title was Johny-5.

      The silly thing claimed to be alive, so someone from hollywood thought it would make for a heartwarming story and made a movie out of it.

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    4. Re:Scanned pages by Ed+Avis · · Score: 1

      For black-and-white images, tic98 beats the pants off compressed PNG. I don't know how it compares to JPEG, but it seems to me that JPEG is unsuitable for typical printed works.

      If you are taking the OCRed text and reformatting it, that's a different problem entirely. It is of course essential to OCR the books so that they can be put on the web, grepped and so on. But with storage space being cheap, I think it would be good to preserve the raw scanned images themselves, so that people will be able to study the typography and layout as well as the content.

      (I've thought about a super-OCR program that looks at the scanned image and figures out typeface, margin widths, line breaking and spacing decisions and then generates TeX source to re-typeset the book in the same style. That would be very cool (a way to make older books available as decent PDFs without losing the existing formatting) but also very hard to implement well.)

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    5. Re:Scanned pages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Basically, the software side of it does produce PDFs, JPGs and TXT files from the OCR performed on the images.

      Sure. JPGs from OCR? First, why is it producing JPGs? Should it be creating TIFFs or something that was designed from somethings other that PICTURES? Second, I didn't know that OCR was required to make and image.

    6. Re:Scanned pages by tempestdata · · Score: 1

      lol. It was poor english on my part.

      The images are originally uncompressed grayscale or color tiffs. The software has an option to produce JPGS from those images, because it was required for certain projects. The TXT files are created from OCR performed on the Tiffs. The PDFs can be just plain image PDFs, or Image PDFs with searchable text. In the case of the latter, OCR is performed on the images before they are inserted into the PDF, and the text it overlayed on the image to allow searching of text.

      I hope that clears things up :)

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    7. Re:Scanned pages by JohnFluxx · · Score: 1

      well duh - +1 Informative??

  13. Re:Interesting, but... by jkrise · · Score: 1

    "don't we all get our pr0n on the web these days?"

    Now you know where all the pr0n came from.

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  14. Great, but.. by Omkar · · Score: 1

    It's so expensive! The article estimates that the robot is only cost effective for huge projects (>5.5million pages). This technology is not going to make an impact until it becomes cheaper.

    1. Re:Great, but.. by daves · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ... or until someone donates one to Project Gutenberg.

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    2. Re:Great, but.. by JohnFluxx · · Score: 1

      I wonder why it is so expensive..

      It can't be _that_ hard to make surely? The ocr software is already done (unless they made lagre improvements there?)

      as for the trick of turning pages.. well go for something simple - static electric rod or something.
      Just make something that works on say 90% of the pages.

      Then you hire someone to sit there and fix it when it goes wrong.

      The whole solution would be a hell of a lot cheaper..

    3. Re:Great, but.. by Daniel+Boisvert · · Score: 4, Insightful

      All it takes is one *really* large project. If somebody like the Library of Congress started scanning/digitizing their collection (I know--subject/verb agreement :), it would obviate the need for just about any smaller libraries to do so. You don't need thousands of libraries to scan the same book, you only need one, and then you can replicate electronically. Surely there are specialty libraries around that have unique collections, but again--all you need is one...

      I didn't RTFA, but this could be useful not only for developing countries, but as a "force-multiplier" of sorts for smaller community libraries. En masse digitizing of published works would allow smaller libraries to compete on a more even footing with larger ones, without having to invest loads of money into their collections and facilities to hold them.

      Any well-heeled library patrons out there want to donate some money earmarked for one of these things to the large library of your choice?

  15. Input, Input, Input...... by www.sorehands.com · · Score: 1

    What did everyone forget Number 5"?

  16. DMCA smack down by BMonger · · Score: 3, Funny

    Those people in #bookz on IRC are gonna be so excited about this...

  17. Hmm... by stratjakt · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What do the newspapers, and more likely magazines think of this?

    Now the magazine rack at 7-11 will show up on Kazoom and all that.

    I mean, comic books or "graphic novels" as the nerds call 'em already get traded freely, but that's because some joker with no life takes a day out of his life to scan and crop each page.

    But if you could just take the magazines, stick 'em in this robot, then share 'em, it could hurt the publishing industry the way it's hurt the recording industry.

    And everyone will justify it by saying "why should I buy a magazine when it only has one good article and the rest is crap!"

    So what measures can we expect to see? Lighter inks, crazier fonts to screw with the robots OCR? Funny paper that makes it hard to flip pages?

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    1. Re:Hmm... by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 0

      Funny paper that makes it hard to flip pages?

      you obviously never look @ porn.....

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    2. Re:Hmm... by bob_jordan · · Score: 4, Funny

      " So what measures can we expect to see? Lighter inks, crazier fonts to screw with the robots OCR? Funny paper that makes it hard to flip pages? "

      I think you just described a typical issue of wired. Are they worried about people copying?

      Bob.

    3. Re:Hmm... by Phantasmo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But if you could just take the magazines, stick 'em in this robot, then share 'em, it could hurt the publishing industry the way it's hurt the recording industry.

      The music industry hasn't be hurt by filesharing, it has been helped.
      People want the CD case, the inside jacket filled with graphics and lyrics.

      Similarly, most people hate reading off of a computer monitor. Lots of magazines give away some (or all) of their articles on their webpage already. If anything this'll inspire more subscriptions.

      Of course, all of this assumes that some magazine geek is going to shell out the cash for an OCR robot.

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  18. Re:But can they also by TopShelf · · Score: 2, Funny

    sure, as long as they get Popular Mechanics or something...

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  19. Code Orange means the terrorists won by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Every time I have to show three forms of ID and walk through a metal detector just to go to my office, the terrorists have won, eliminating productivity and positive morale. And for what?

  20. all very interesting.....BUT..... by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 1

    How many L.O.C's per hour is that?

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    1. Re:all very interesting.....BUT..... by Aliencow · · Score: 1

      Everybody knows that that amount of pages and books is useful only to measure data, not page scanning speed ! I say that this baby's scanning speed should be calculated in raw bits, for the sake of simplicity !

  21. Rent these suckers out! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
    I've got an apartment and storage unit full of books. Set one of these babies up at a Kinko's kinda place for rental, I'll digitize 'em all and live the kind of minimalist-yet-scholarly life I've always dreamed of :)

    Really, it's ridiculous that I've got 140 gigabytes of storage in my apartment, and all these shelves of paper. (And don't bitch to me about reading on screen, a tablet with high-resolution screen displaying large type wouldn't be too bad, and digital paper ain't far away.)

    1. Re:Rent these suckers out! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "digital paper ain't far away"

      But that's what you said two decades ago?

      So, how's it feel to be in your 40s?

    2. Re:Rent these suckers out! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah but this time I really mean it!...and I'm only 36, so there!

  22. I'm all for democracy, of course... by CommieLib · · Score: 5, Funny

    But does this passage puzzle you a bit?

    "Think about the power of bringing our library to little schools in the middle of Africa," Keller said. "Would it make a difference for those who now have their minds closed to the idea of democracy?"

    I'm not sure I get the connection:

    Mbutu: Hey, Kwasa, check out this copy of "The Horse Whisperer" on my Palm Pilot.

    Kwasa: Incredible! We must hold free elections immediately!

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    1. Re:I'm all for democracy, of course... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      This Keller is an elitist American Asshole and should go back to reading his books. The idiots want democracy by force, the elitists want democracy by education. The only things that they both have in common is that they believe that the countries that need it don't deserve is, and they both don't believe that a country wouldn't want such a precious gift.

      Here's a hint, it's Africa. They can't eat books!

    2. Re:I'm all for democracy, of course... by TheMidget · · Score: 1
      Here's a hint, it's Africa. They can't eat books!

      Especially not electronic books!

    3. Re:I'm all for democracy, of course... by I+am+Jack's+username · · Score: 0
      "Think about the power of bringing our library to little schools in the middle of Africa," Keller said. "Would it make a difference for those who now have their minds closed to the idea of democracy?"
      As an African reading Moore's Stupid white men , and who lives in a country that has a proportional and one person one vote voting system, I'm thinking we should export some of our books to middle America :)
    4. Re:I'm all for democracy, of course... by Zigg · · Score: 1
    5. Re:I'm all for democracy, of course... by stanmann · · Score: 1

      That Geocities cite was interesting, except of course for the fact that DC doesn't get any votes for president... Perhaps could be a mistake, but a mistake of that magnitude, means that there are likely other mistakes.... and a 1 person one vote system is inefficient except there there is a uniform population density over the entire area.

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    6. Re:I'm all for democracy, of course... by CommieLib · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I can't remember a day that has gone by where I didn't say to myself, man, I wish I lived in that democratic paradise of South Africa.

      It must be hard for the South African border guards, keeping a vigilant watch on the western shores for the American boat people, drifting lazily across the ocean. Pity even more the American refugee, who's only seeking better life for them and their families.

      Sorry for the tone, but you had it coming.

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    7. Re:I'm all for democracy, of course... by Oscillatory · · Score: 1

      DC certainly gets a vote for president. Check out the 23rd amendment:

      Some notes and
      the text of the amendment.

      OK, so only since about 1961.
      Puerto Rico doesn't, but that's another thing..

    8. Re:I'm all for democracy, of course... by stanmann · · Score: 1

      Ok, guess I should pick up a new copy with all the ammendments included. I think the copy on my desk is in a document collection from the 50s. And thanks.

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  23. Soon Illegal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, is there a "BIAA" who can lobby all the worlds politicians to make this device illegal?

  24. Re:Sticky Pages by Cackmobile · · Score: 1, Funny

    nice one

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  25. Galley Slave ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, I found the original (by Asimov)
    better ...

  26. Project Gutenberg by Mechanik · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What do we need to do to get one of these donated to Project Gutenberg? Right now one of the biggest things holding them up is a lack of volunteers to manually scan the books.


    Mechanik

    1. Re:Project Gutenberg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wish....but if you want to help out come over to Distributed Proofreaders @ http://texts01.archive.org/dp

    2. Re:Project Gutenberg by tempestdata · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well I have some good news for you. While, I was working (and I still am actually) on this project I asked the Digital Library Projects Manager, who is basically in charge of this project about releasing the books they scan to the public. His reply was that they were probably going to release a pretty significant portion of the books they scan to the public. The rest would only be available within Stanford University Libraries.

      So, you may at one point see those books freely available for download, provided they can get those copyright issues ironed out.

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    3. Re:Project Gutenberg by Musashi+Miyamoto · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually, the primary thing holding up Project Gutenberg is the Sonny Bono Copyright Extension Act. The copyright law was recently extended so that nothing created earlier than the 1920s is going into the public domain.

      There is a large body of great 20th century works that will not enter the public domain for many years. Stuff by F. Scott Fitzgerald, Joseph Conrad, Arthur Conan Doyle, Rudyard Kipling, Willa Cather, Wallace Stevens, Yeats, Virginia Woolf, et al.

      Its a shame. I actually enjoy reading literature, and I am forced to go to the library for anything newer than 1923.

    4. Re:Project Gutenberg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't that an American law? I thought entire world somewhat agreed on copyright laws so whatever our Congress recently cooked up would not apply elsewhere.

      Alright, so if you are reading a Sherlock Holmes book off projectgutenberg.au - is that an act of smuggling an illegal copy? :)

    5. Re:Project Gutenberg by lorax · · Score: 1

      I think the biggest thing holding them up is the lack of people to post-process the books, There are about 500 books ready for post-processing.

      Another way of looking at it is that the software tools they use don't reduce the post-processing load, so better tools would also help the problem.

    6. Re:Project Gutenberg by jonathan_ingram · · Score: 1
      Released to the public on what terms, though?

      See the horrendous terms and conditions of the Oxford Text Archive for an example of a 'free' book archive which isn't really free at all.

      If we can take their page images, and process them into a Project Gutenberg text through the Distributed Proofreading site, *then* it will be of benefit to humanity.

    7. Re:Project Gutenberg by yerricde · · Score: 1

      Isn't [the Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act] an American law?

      True, but Europe has its own Bono act, which some claim was passed as an excuse to force the United States to "harmonize" its laws to Europe's.

      The misguided decision in Eldred v. Ashcroft reminds me of another misguided decision with a "Dred" in the name, and I hope it meets the same fate.

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    8. Re:Project Gutenberg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      re the Holmes book question

      Yes.

      Then again, so are DVD imports a violation of copyright law according to US copyright law. Doesn't stop them from being sold on ebay or Amazon. And the publishers/copyright holders would be utter idiots to go for copyright infringment--the bad press, karma, whatever runin would be rather large in proportion to the market/potential buyer population. Most buyers buy imports because that version/episode is not released in the US or won't be released in its original form (e.g. the Nazi episode in Lupin), and will go out and buy the US version when it comes out anyways.

    9. Re:Project Gutenberg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better yet, the US Library of Congress should use these to digitize every book they have that is in the public domain and make it available online. Now that would be good use of taxpayer dollars.

    10. Re:Project Gutenberg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah! Hound of the Baskervilles.

      Readreadreadreadreadread... I think the chauffeur did it.

      [Embedded DRM software installed by NOVA is activated] Hey, ow! Aaargh!

      [Johnny Five's memory is wiped. He dies]

      THE END

    11. Re:Project Gutenberg by fredf · · Score: 1
      I think these efforts are great, maybe you can answer this for me.

      "It will soon begin work on the 2,500 titles published by the Stanford University Press."

      Aren't many of these (and others) already in some digital source format, at least those from the past 20 years say? Why would these need to be scanned at all?

    12. Re:Project Gutenberg by tempestdata · · Score: 1

      They aren't in digital source format unfortunately. Atleast as far as I know. Basically, Stanford's own university press will be the lab's first client. The project officially began monday I believe. Obviously they aren't already in digitized form, and are good candidates for digitization because Stanford owns their copyrights.

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  27. Archival Projects by borkus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This would be awesome for records/document archiving. I knew a guy who worked at our State Library who had to catalog courthouse records across the state. He'd go out to some remote county where all the marriage, land and court records were on paper and try to figure out what they had. Some of the records went back to before the American Revolution. In nearly all cases, the only records were on paper.

    If he could drag this robot along to a courthouse and scan the records over a couple of weeks, it would allow him digitize that information quickly. Not only would the digital copies be easier to search, they would be easier to preserve. One courthouse, where their file room was in the basement, nearly lost all of its old records to a flood.

    1. Re:Archival Projects by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      If he could drag this robot along to a courthouse and scan the records over a couple of weeks, it would allow him digitize that information quickly.

      i highlu doubt that podunk,NJ 's courthouse made sure that all records were typed on a correctly adjusted Typewriter in a normal font. From what I remember of shuffling throught small town records is that 90% of them are all hand written and no computer on this planet can reliably read that.

      No whet is needed in those cases are 3 temp employees who do nothing but enter the paper into the computer.

      Been there, done that. It's fast to hand enter it than any technology that was available 2 years ago.. or even today....

      when you get a computer to scan a form, and correctly identify what text goes into what fields in the SQL database to make that jpg image of that handwritten form searchable... call me... we can make billions off of it.

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    2. Re:Archival Projects by Rxke · · Score: 1

      Myth: digitized info is easier to preserve. As you said: some info predates American Revolution. All they had to do was stack these books somewhere reasonably safe, an they'll be there for hundreds of years, i don't see that happening with digital data, unless they spend an awful lot of money on backups et.c. AND LET'S FACE IT: THEY WON'T BOTHER Imagine, your greatgreat...grand children finding a heap of CD-R's in the attic. chances are fairly slim they'll be able to read them. compare that to the old diary you find on YOUR grandma's attic... A lot of stable stuff (ie books, photographs, et.c.) are trashed after digitizing, only to find out, let's say 20 years later, they don't have the machines anymore to read the stuff... It's happening everywhere, all the time, digital storage is IMMATURE, but we like to think it's the solution to everything. i guess a lot of personal stuff, like digital photo's will vanish w/o a trace, while that old shoebox with old black&whites will last some generations more. their secret? They don't need no machines to read them...

    3. Re:Archival Projects by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 1

      Parent is insightful.

      Digital media in a closet are the wrong way to store information. The right way is probably something like OceanStore (http://oceanstore.cs.berkeley.edu/info/overview.h tml), if someone can work out the economics.

  28. � Step 3 is profit?? by colonelteddy · · Score: 1, Funny

    Being able to scan 1000 oages an hour: $Lots

    Converting 8 million volumes into a digital database: > $250 million

    Having robots digitize every porn collection in the world, fast : Priceless

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  29. Finger lickin good by dspfreak · · Score: 4, Funny
    They even use puffs of compressed air to separate sticky pages!

    I'm glad they didn't go with the design where it licked its thumb before turning each page. I hate that!

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    1. Re:Finger lickin good by GuyMannDude · · Score: 1

      They even use puffs of compressed air to separate sticky pages!

      I'm glad they didn't go with the design where it licked its thumb before turning each page. I hate that!

      Actually, I was thinking this would be a godsend for those who spend their free time scanning in pictures from porno mags!

      GMD

  30. Re:Perfect labour for robots by Wuukie · · Score: 1

    Yeah sure, the articles is why people buy these magazines. But really, this would be cool for Project Gutenberg, or more specifically those scanning books for the Distributed Proofreaders.

  31. Book Ripping and Burning! by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 4, Funny

    Time for a change in terminology.

  32. Get these to librarians ASAP! by l0rd · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Once librarians get their hands on these they could be the new b00kw@r3z G0dz. Just think about searching the content of your library on kazaa.

    By that time someone will have thought up copy protection ;)

  33. I can't wait for digital textbooks by gnurb · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I did quite a bit of research on a low cost book scanner awhile ago, because the though of not having to lug around a heap of books from class to class is a dream come true. I hope this technology really takes off, and they find a way to make the whole thing a bit smaller/cheaper. I bet textbook publishers are scared silly about this..

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  34. This is useful for other professions too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    A robotic scanning machine for books could be very useful for litgation support too. I work for a company that is an out-source firm for law firms and we get a lot of books to copy and scan. Hand place copying is a pain like you wouldn't believe. This machine could end all of that, only if you had a large enough project to justify buying this machine.

    But of course, this would also probably raise the cost to the law firms we have as clients, and of course they would charge their clients more.

  35. Reredundantt by the+darn · · Score: 1

    Now Johnny 5 can scan in all the sticky pr0n on earth!

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  36. Re:But can they also by BabyDave · · Score: 1
    Brief Red Dwarf snippet (from DNA):
    • [Kryten] Now, why do you suppose that happened?
    • [Lister] W-w-w-what were you thinkin' of at the time?
    • [Kryten] Well, nothing in particular, sir. I was just idly flicking through an electrical appliance catalogue. I came across the section on super deluxe vacuum cleaners, and suddenly my underpant elastic was catapulted across the Medical Bay.
    • [Lister] You see, man? You're neither one thing or the other. You shouldn't be gettin' erotic thoughts about electrical appliances.
    • [Kryten] Er, it was a triple-bag, easy-glide vac, with turbo-suction and a self-emptying dustbag.
  37. LORD - Dont you people see what's happening here?! by blakespot · · Score: 4, Funny
    I don't know about you, but when I see a robot latched onto one of humanity's tome's of knowledge, poring over it at 1000 pages / minute puffing and aiming its high resolution CCD, I see what is clearly the first step in the rise of machines which will lead to the utter anhialation of humankind!!! We can't just feed them our knowledge!!

    For the love of GOD, someone check this!!


    blakespot

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  38. Why the DMCA really does apply by Slashdolt · · Score: 1, Funny

    A book is essentially a form of encryption. You cannot copy pages from a book into a digital form without using some sort of technological device that breaks this "analog" encryption, which under the DMCA is clearly illegal.

    Expect to see these outlawed real soon. Either that, or expect a "Steven King" model to be available this fall.

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  39. Freedom 'Bots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think there is a touch of naivete in this notion:

    "Think about the power of bringing our library to little schools in the middle of Africa," Keller said. "Would it make a difference for those who now have their minds closed to the idea of democracy?"

    I am not sure it would. It might turn them on to the idea of thinking for themselves, though. That could have interesting consequences. Unfortunately, just this very possiblity is threatening to those who are now profiting from their ignorance. These people are likely in a position to be gatekeepers for the dissemination of information.

    But, having a robot do something which is enhanced by mindless repetition is a natural robotic application. Then having that application be something that could enable political liberation is a interesting twist of the old "robots in service to humanity" ideals. I'm not so sure that those holding the reins are going to be so interested in this--call me cynical.

    What I would like to see is a similar device for converting analog recordings, in whatever form be at tape, vinyl, wax cylinders, to an open digitized format and then have those recording made available in like fashion. It might be just as interesting to turn those kids in Africa on to Mozart, or oral arguments from the Supreme Court.

  40. Does it cost that much? by zebadee · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The article says it would become cost effective for 5.5 million pages. Later it says it costs between $1 - $4 per book in the Far East. So if you estimate a book to have around 300 pages, doing the digitising manually would be $18333-$73333 per 5.5 million pages (ie 5500000/300 multiplied by cost per book). From the way article is written I expected it to cost ALOT more. I guess the proof reading cost for manual conversion could be high?

  41. This page... by Sinus0idal · · Score: 1

    ... was created by a cadre of book turning robots for Sinus0idal... Hmmmm. Naaaah.

  42. For those antique books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    We can also put the digitizing, framing, and hosting services together for a prestigious piece of fine art. Imagine a beautifully framed old book that has been digitized for reading on the World Wide Web. The digitized antique book display provides a beautiful piece of art for your office, home or library and testifies to your gift of free reading on the Internet. The digital publishing preserves the unique signs of age of the book and proves that only you own the original book that was made forever visible by all.

  43. Digitization by kriox · · Score: 1, Informative

    I once took part in a project that intended to digitize millions of newspaper clips, some of them copies of more than 125 years old originals.

    That was in 1999.

    Digitizing was the easy part, actually, since the pages were convenintly in A4 paper, but the OCR, oh mighty Cthulhu! I was a young and inexperienced one in those days, and OCR software really wasn't up to the task (we didn't have the money to proofread all that text).

    I don't have to tell you how disappoiting it was trying to index 1.2Gb of garbled text.

    I miss being naive. =)

  44. Great and now they'll sit idle by TerryAtWork · · Score: 1

    while the books crumble away because they have fallen back into copywrite and some suit with no vision beyond the next quarter refuses to allow his 'property' to be 'stolen'.

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  45. Re:LORD - Dont you people see what's happening her by Obiwan+Kenobi · · Score: 1

    Just wait! Soon they'll organize and create a city called 01 and enslave the world!

    And then some guy named Keanu will save us! And think he can act too!

    They might even call it a Second Renaissance!

  46. It's already starting to hit home... my experience by boy_afraid · · Score: 3, Informative

    Not to long ago I had to do a research paper for a college class. No big deal, I've done many of them, and I was not looking forward to this one. Well, I went to the Houston Public Library in Downtown (which I hadn't been to in many many many , you get the idea, years). I got the library card that gave me access to some computer terminals and computer card catalogue. I was amazed about what they had converted electronically and links to other sites that had dictated material. I was also amazed that I could get all this same access from home using the information printed on the library card. So I go home (I have Road Runner cable modem) and do my research instead of being trapped in the library and get to work. I find electronic format of lots and lots of textbooks, magazines, government docs, and many many more. What put me a notch or two down from my high horse was that I even found that they had radio talk shows transcribed (which I used in my research paper) that helped a lot!

    There is a lot of information ALREADY converted from text and audio sources at your fingertips that was unfathomable a few years ago. And all of this is free from the website (and links to other sources) from the public library. Talk about your one stop shop.

  47. sticky pages!! by slyguy420 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    "They even use puffs of compressed air to separate sticky pages!"

    they are going to need more than compressed air to unstick the Pr0n mags! ;)

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  48. Will those scanned books available online? by 5prite · · Score: 1

    <quote>
    The newly installed robot is finishing two pilot projects, scanning books published by Stanford's Center for the Study of Language and Information and ...
    </quote>

    It means they have scanned this this this this and this?

    Will they be available online for reading? :)

  49. Heidelburg press by Ars-Fartsica · · Score: 3, Informative

    Using air to separate and move paper is not new. Heidelburg platen presses (you may remember them from high school graphic arts classes) have had this feature for about fifty years.

    1. Re:Heidelburg press by jhoger · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but it's so much more exciting to think of my Dad's printing presses as Robots...

      Heidelberg: Danger! Danger! Paper Misfeed! Human assistance required!

      -- John.

    2. Re:Heidelburg press by Rick.C · · Score: 1
      Using air to separate and move paper is not new.

      Maybe not, but I'll bet that getting a robot to lick its thumb and try again is a patentable idea!

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  50. Johnny Five is alive! by Marco_polo · · Score: 0, Redundant

    More Input!

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    1. Re:Johnny Five is alive! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it was "Number Five is alive", you do mean the movie Short Circuit right??

  51. This is exactly the technology we need... by foxtrot · · Score: 1

    ...to build a Tivo for books!

    -JDF

  52. Destroying books to save them by shoppa · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The page-turning robots are unique because they do little (or no?) damage to the book to get them digitized.

    The more traditional way to preserve the contents of the old books is to destroy them in the process. Actually cutting the page out of the book lets you get a much higher quality scan because the page is then really truly flat. (Yes, there are correction techniques for turning scans of non-flat pages into flat "projections" but they aren't nearly as good as just ripping the page out and scanning it.)

    1. Re:Destroying books to save them by swb · · Score: 1

      Rather than ripping the pages out, wouldn't it be easier to just cut off the binding with some kind of a bandsaw?

      They both trash the book, but this should only be a problem for really rare books.

    2. Re:Destroying books to save them by thebigmacd · · Score: 1

      Likely that is what they do. The parent to your post said "cut the page out," not 'rip it out'. And the poster never said 'one at a time' either.

  53. Buzzwords without a clue. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Words like "Democracy" and "Freedom" is to an American what "Java" and "XML" used to be to a manager. Nowadays I guess it might be "C#" and "Dot NET".

  54. Been around the spook community since 70s/80s by crovira · · Score: 2, Informative

    This is not new.

    The hardware has been hard at work since the late 70s/early 80s when PDP-8s and PDP-11s were used to control the hardware and store the results.

    The first scanners had very small CCD arrays and these had to be pulled across the page horizontally as well as vertically AND it had vacuum "bars" on robot-arm "page turners".

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    1. Re:Been around the spook community since 70s/80s by alienw · · Score: 1

      Yes. In fact, the movie Three Days of the Condor (1975) shows such a robot scanning a book (near the beginning of the movie). Very nice movie, BTW.

  55. Distributed Proofreaders by Ugmo · · Score: 2, Informative

    Once books are digitized and OCR'd they need to be proofread by humans. The people who can afford this machine might do it another way but Project Gutenberg has volunteers at Distributed Proofreaders.

    There was a Slashdot Article about it last year but there have been a lot of changes since then (many due to Slashdotters). If you haven't seen the project in a while you should check it out.

  56. Re:Digitizing Pr0n? (Alternate Article Title) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Auto-Masturbating Robots


    Makarand writes "Robotic masturbation systems are the new help available to complete voluminous spewing of ejectus. Robots that can jerk your gherkin and pull your pud while attaining whacking speeds of more than 1000 yanks/minute are now available. They even use puffs of compressed air to simulate the vacuum of blowjobs!"

    Ok, I have too much free time.

  57. puffs... by spazoid12 · · Score: 1

    They even use puffs of compressed air to separate sticky pages!

    Sometimes, I need a puff of compressed gas to separate my cheeks...

  58. Book Turning Robot -- Photos here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  59. Monitor? by glrotate · · Score: 1

    Make / Model / Size / CRT - LCD ?

    Thanks

  60. Short Circuit by Greenisus · · Score: 1

    Johnny 5 is alive!

  61. Fantasic news for non-academic scholars by miletus · · Score: 1

    Anyone who likes to study a subject in depth, and doesn't have access to a major academic library, is going to benefit hugely from this. Among other things, it will greatly facilitate the development of scholars independent of academia (think of Marx sitting in the British Museum).

  62. I am the same, I prefer reading on monitor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    About age 5, the same time I started reading.

    I read all the time (12-16 hours a day sometimes).

    Green

    Never wear sun glasses, have always tested better than 20/20 in both eyes. I would say I see excellent in low light, but have never been tested...

    Envision 19" lcd tv/computer monitor thing

    Bright 100% Contrast 100%, I prefer the color setting 'warm' whatever that is.

  63. The NWAA reponds to this threat by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Funny

    The NWAA (Novel Writers Artists Association) has issued that they will fight for legistlation to fight this piracy tool in congress.

    "These reading Bots will put the book publishing business under within months..", their congress represenative said.

    "There hasn't been this strong of an attack against the goodness of books and authors cince that evil man Gutenburgh created that evil printing press." Word on the street is that Hillary Rosen is oging to be hired as their spokesperson to help outlaw this evil that will undermine american life as we know it.

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  64. save your pr0n! by painehope · · Score: 1

    They even use puffs of compressed air to separate sticky pages!
    useful when archiving all those old hustler's...

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  65. Sticky pages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cool - it'll have my dead-tree porn collection scanned and uploaded in no time!

  66. Re:LORD - Dont you people see what's happening her by Monsieur_F · · Score: 1
    1000 pages / minute

    Actually it is 1000 pages / hour. But I think the idea is the same.
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  67. The *fast* way to digitize by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is to just cut the binding off and sheet feed.

    As far as page turning goes, there are lots of people willing to do that manually for minimum wage. Probably cheaper, lower maint and less error prone than any robot.

  68. Naivete might be a little soft by ianscot · · Score: 2, Interesting
    That was my reaction too. You sort of head down the same path, though -- poor people in underdeveloped countries can't "think for themselves"? What do you base this observation on?

    Having traveled in subsaharan Africa a bit, I can safely say that people I met there aren't "closed to the idea of democracy." (They're sometimes consciously "closed" to the idea of allowing mammoth, conscience-free American-based multinational corporations to subvert the democratic institutions they do have, though.)

    I bet that was just an isolated quote the reporter chose, though. Seems more like her/his bias than the librarians, at first glance.

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    1. Re:Naivete might be a little soft by rdewald · · Score: 1

      I base this observation on my personal experience that people who have not had widespread exposure to other people's thinking are prone to the notion that the prevailing cultural conventional wisdom is all the wisdom there is.

      My suppostition that such exposure might encourage people to think for themselves has nothing to do with economic status, skin color, geography or anything else. Thinking begats thinking.

      Similarly, if I were exposed to the myths and oral traditions of indigenous African peoples I might think of something that otherwise might not have occured to me. I intend no inference of relative personal or cultural merit.

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  69. Better for what? by rdewald · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Analog is subject to degradation everytime it is reproduced. Digital conversion halts the degradation at conversion. Ones are ones and zeroes are zeroes from then on.

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    1. Re:Better for what? by deadgoon42 · · Score: 1

      Unless your storage device is hit by a gamma ray and then a one may become a zero.

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    2. Re:Better for what? by sketerpot · · Score: 2, Informative

      Which is why you use forward error correction. Have you ever scratched a CD? It can still play, thanks to FEC. (Cross Interleave Reed-Solomon Code, to be specific---good at correcting fairly small numbers of errors, like somebody drilling a 1 mm hole in a CD).

    3. Re:Better for what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, there is degradation of some sort. Readers of digital data have various distortions, but it is easy to restore the signal back to a clear digital form. But even data carved in a rock or steel is having very slow degradation. If the data is in digital form, it still is easy to recreate the original data for a long time ("Sir, the rock was halfway eroded but we got the data.")

  70. Sticky pages by hoggoth · · Score: 1

    > They even use puffs of compressed air to separate sticky pages!

    Oh good, that means these robots can digitize my porn magazine collection!

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  71. IN SOVIET RUSSIA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...robots scan YOU 1000 times an hour!

  72. Not legal under DMCA!!!! by siasl · · Score: 1

    You cannot circumvent the copy "protection" technology of manually turning the pages of a book/newspaper. Shame on you. Officer take the bot away......

  73. Machine Lust: I could use that at work! by Interrobang · · Score: 1

    We handle safety documentation for a big company (a very big company), and we have to do quarterly updating of some 60 000 documents, plus update new sites as they come in. Suddenly, page-turning ultra-scanners and super-OCR programs look very interesting to me. All our output has to be in PDF, so something like what you described could be very useful.

    I can also think of a few non-work uses for the thing, too. Dare I say, avariciously, "I want one!" ;)

  74. Typical shortsighted response by siskbc · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Here's a hint, it's Africa. They can't eat books!

    Yeah, but if they don't learn to read, they're going to be stuck with the same subsistence agriculture that hasn't worked too fucking well form them recently. That or UN or NGO handouts that only serve to strengthen the oppressive regimes that are torturing these people, because little of the aid that reaches the docks reaches the people thanks to rampant corruption.

    Here's the current process:

    1. Africa has crappy food production

    2. West sends food

    3. Food is intercepted by dictator's thugs.

    4. Dictator sells food or uses it to extort loyalty

    5. Dictator becomes rich and powerful

    6. People become dependent upon the west and their dictator for food.

    7. People get worse at farming, continue to starve, and dictator becomes yet stronger.

    8. Goto 1.

    Seems to me that education and empowerment might be part of the way to break that shitty cycle. Keeping people poor and incapable of supporting themselves isn't.

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    1. Re:Typical shortsighted response by klaun · · Score: 1
      Yeah, but if they don't learn to read, they're going to be stuck with the same subsistence agriculture that hasn't worked too fucking well form them recently. That or UN or NGO handouts that only serve to strengthen the oppressive regimes that are torturing these people, because little of the aid that reaches the docks reaches the people thanks to rampant corruption.

      Hmmm... I think Africa needs more subsistence farming not less. If the WTO didn't come in and modernize economies, replacing food with cash crops so that those countries can be part of the "world economy" they'd be a lot better off.

    2. Re:Typical shortsighted response by siskbc · · Score: 1
      Hmmm... I think Africa needs more subsistence farming not less. If the WTO didn't come in and modernize economies, replacing food with cash crops so that those countries can be part of the "world economy" they'd be a lot better off.

      Unfortunately, subsistence agriculture is nearly an oxymoron. Africa was starving a long time before there was a WTO. The problem is that farming is an economy of scale - it's profitable if you have 10,000 acreas, not if you have 10. Subsistence agriculture leaves farmers without a buffer, so one bad harvest equals famine and starvation. That's not good.

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  75. Make them free by b-baggins · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "We have hunger and want in the world because evil men use the vehicle of government to deny men that liberty which they need to produce abundantly."

    Ezra Taft Benson

    Make them free, and they'll bring the food and water into their villages themselves.

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  76. Obligatory Short Circuit Reference... by silverhalide · · Score: 1

    Now you'll have librarians running around going Input? Input!!! Need More Input!!!

  77. Movie of machine at work. by Mr.Gibs · · Score: 1

    Here is a movie of the Kirtas machine at work. Interesting technology used here!

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  78. ClearType by yerricde · · Score: 1

    what every happened to the ultrahigh resolution (200-250 dpi) displays which were being talked about a couple of years ago?

    For one thing, the operating systems got in the way. Many poorly-written but popular Windows applications assume that your display is 96 dpi and will not react properly to changes in the system DPI setting (in Windows 2000, Control Panel > Display Properties > Settings > Advanced > General > Display > Font Size).

    For another thing, it was discovered that LCD panels don't let enough light through per pixel because of the black border between pixels.

    Finally, color LCD panels are already 300 DPI horizontally and 100 DPI vertically.

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  79. Bubba Thinks by Arbogast_II · · Score: 1

    This is truly an amazing technology. I would love to see some government use this technology to create a vast online library. This offers too great an oppurtunity to let excessive property rights get in the way. Set a date for respecting rights (say 20 years or whatever), then up it goes into the library. I would love to see some nation do this. It would be a great gift to humanity.

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  80. Hot meals solve a warlord problem by yerricde · · Score: 1

    2. West sends food
    3. Food is intercepted by dictator's thugs.

    The humanitarian organizations[1] have started to fly people in who prepare hot meals and serve them directly to needy people. This should make it a lot harder for a warlord to intercept the food, no?

    [1] No cannibal jokes please.

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    1. Re:Hot meals solve a warlord problem by siskbc · · Score: 1
      The humanitarian organizations[1] have started to fly people in who prepare hot meals and serve them directly to needy people. This should make it a lot harder for a warlord to intercept the food, no?

      Damned good idea, but it's extremely labor-intensive and can likely only solve a small part of the problem. I mean, how many westerners would it take? A million?

      Not to mention which the whole "feed africa first" thing, while well-intentioned, doesn't solve the root problem that these people don't have the governmental structure or technical ability to feed themselves. Subsistence agriculture is soooo...200 years ago.

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  81. journals by heby · · Score: 1

    well, maybe something like this finally gets the people from nature, science, europhysics journal (successor of several older european journals) etc. to do what they should have done long ago - make all their old issues available electronically and not only the ones from the 90s and later; the AIP did this years ago and it's absolutely awesome to be able to look up stuff in, say, physical review from 1920 or so without having to leave my desk.

  82. Alternative to flipping by Ed+Avis · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Instead of picking the book up and flipping the pages, couldn't you use X-ray tomography (or possibly microwave tomography) to get a 3d image of the book and extract pages from that?

    This assumes two things: that the ink makes a difference to X-ray penetration compared to just paper, and that the resolution of the scanner is high enough to pick out individual pages. But typical medical scanners are pretty high-res I think. Has anyone tried this?

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    1. Re:Alternative to flipping by Rick.C · · Score: 1
      Okay, discerning between the front and back of a page (pg-1 and pg-2) would be hard, but what about where two pages are facing each other (pg-2 and pg-3)? The ink on pg-2 touches the ink on pg-3.

      Call me a nay-sayer, but "Nay."

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    2. Re:Alternative to flipping by Ed+Avis · · Score: 1

      Well ideally there would be a high enough resolution to distinguish between the front of one page and the front of the facing page. But suppose the resolution were low enough for the two to get blurred into one. Could you still scan the pages?

      I'd say yes, if you have some idea of what glyphs look like (a 'g' is on page 1, a back-to-front 'g' is on page two). Combine that with some semantic checks like spelling, and it could work well enough.

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    3. Re:Alternative to flipping by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no it wouldn't. also the xray machine would be outrageously expensive and possibly dangerous to people nearby.

      it's not a very clever idea, really.

  83. Re:Sticky pages by Herz · · Score: 0, Redundant

    And they can cope with the sticky pages too!

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  84. And the revolutationary technology of century... by podperson · · Score: 1

    ...will be the telephone.

    75% of the world's population may finally get telephone access in the 21st century, thanks to the relatively inexpensive infrastructure requirements of cellular phones.

    The bicycle, the internal combustion engine, the telephone, the light bulb, the AC generator. 19th century technologies whose impact is yet to be felt in much of the world.

    I don't think folks in villages in Africa will be reading about "freedom" on their web browsers any time soon.

  85. Actually . . . by Idou · · Score: 1

    "I guess the proof reading cost for manual conversion could be high?"

    I thought students were PAYING to do this. Just give them some extra credit for finding mistakes;)

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  86. Robots and tasks and such... by SStrungis · · Score: 1
    All your bots are belong to us!

    You have no chance to survive...Make your time.

    -Strungis

  87. 1000 pages per hour? by Julian+Morrison · · Score: 1

    Bah. Johnny 5 could do that in ten seconds flat, without OCR errors, and that was back in the nineteen eighties.

  88. Book digitizing by Simonetta · · Score: 1

    I have been thinking a lot about this very subject recently. It appears that there could be a major gap in the 20th century literature collections approaching due to the fact that few people and/or libraries are retaining books that have been published in the years 1920 to 1950. Plus the new copyright restictions may possibly prevent books from this period from ever reaching the public domain. If thousands of titles from this period don't get digitally copied, then they will have disappeared with the disintegration of the physical paper and binding.
    For example, I was reading Florence (National Review's former misanthrope) King's book on why white people are so weird and how they got that way ('WASP, Where is Thy Sting?' (out-of-print) ) recently. She makes reference to many books that were bestsellers in the 30's and 40's that strongly influenced 'the greatest generation's' thought patterns. Most of these books that she referred to are simply gone in that they can't be found anywhere; not in libraries or bookstores; only a few copies scattered in private home collections of the elderly and the Library of Congress.
    It would have been nice to have been able to download several of these titles in digital form, but they have never been scanned and quite likely never will be scanned.
    I've scanned a few of my favorite books and posted them onto Kazaa, but nobody there is interested in reading anything except Fantasy and Science Fiction. In the year or so that I've had titles by Gore Vidal and John Updike available in my P2P directory, they have been accessed only twice.
    Besides, scanning and proofreading books is a serious hassle and major undertaking. Even with good quality OCR software and a reasonable fast scanner it will take about 20 to 30 hours to scan and proof an entire book. Walking through the stacks of the local library recently made me realize that it would take a hundred years to scan all of this material. Before then most of the books on the shelves would have been chucked and pulped.
    I asked at the local Best Buy store about using a high resolution digital camera on a custom made stand to photograph book pages and feed the data from the camera to an OCR program using USB 2.0. Needless to say, the response that I got was; 'Duh...'. Nevertheless, it still seems like a good idea to speed the process of preserving our culture by transferring books to a more fluid media.
    Any thoughts?

    Thank you,
    Simonetta

  89. Bandwidth Cap by Hadlock · · Score: 1

    Gah, now in addition to downloading 100+ MB amature racing (on real race tracks, not street racing crap) videos, I'll be downloading PDF copies of books in excess of 500MB from stanford, etc.

    so when is stanford going to put these books up on the gnutella network? i'd be happy to mirror their collection (or as much as i can) of digitized books on my gnutella node.

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  90. What else can it blow... by mrklin · · Score: 1

    beside small puffs of compressed air? :)

  91. I wonder how these were thought up... by hal9k · · Score: 1

    So you're telling me that these things can turn the pages of magazines AND deal with those sticky pages?!? Wow, even better than slideshow mode!

  92. how expensive? by MikeFM · · Score: 1

    How expensive could these be to make? The mentioned unit sounds big and probably has some interesting features to handle various problems but still I can't see why these should cost more than a few thousand dollars. In college I built a small robot (about the size of a toaster) that could do the same thing. It had arms for popping a book off the stack and pushing it into a new stack when finished. It also had small arms for flattening and turning pages (credits to Real Genius for the concept). The last arm used a handheld scanner to scan the pages into a connected laptop. The whole thing cost a couple hundred dollars to make. I admit that the 'puff of air' solution is a good idea but how much is it worth? Of course my solution required a connected computer to store the data and run it through OCR but even that didn't cost much. These days I'd probably use a laptop with a WiFi card to locally store the data and broadcast it to a nearby computer for OCR processing. Even including the small cluster to make OCR processing fast you could probably keep the cost to $10,000.

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  93. Finally! by FreekyGeek · · Score: 1

    "Automatically separate sticky pages"? Finally I can digitize my Playboy collection!

  94. confused? by Discordantus · · Score: 1

    I think you are having problems, either in understanding these concepts, or in relating your thoughts on them.

    Digital, literally (technically), means "represented by digits". What this means to the average person, however, is that an EXACT copy can be made, which will not degrade over time. Some of the actual data may be lost (ie., through disc errors, material degradation), but the data that remains will still be exactly the same data as was there in the beginning. This keeps the signal separated from the noise as much as possible.

    In analog formats, any degradation, or noise, becomes part of the original signal. Signal degradation WILL happen during the copying process. the best example this is photocopies, where just a few generations down the line, they become harder to read. This happens because analog, by definition, has MORE static.

    Your insistence that words are (by definition) digital, utterly confounds me. You claim that words are digital because they use simple symbols to represent specific concepts. That is ludicrous! Nearly all words in the english language are subject to interpretation, and will different definitions depending on who is defining it.

  95. Cool, pirating will be allot easier... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Once something is in digital format it'll be allot easier to copy, and share on a Napster-a-like.

    This could be the new MP3! :)

  96. How long before.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...some invents a macrovision-style technology for books? :)

  97. Re:LORD - Dont you people see what's happening her by istewart · · Score: 1

    Please note -- parent is most likely a paid endorsement for Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines (coming to a theater near you July 2nd).

  98. Another way to scan.... by chippcom · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I seem to remember a few years back, during a tour of MIT's media lab, a project underway to basically MRI scan a closed book, then 'slice and dice' it page by page via some sophisticated algorithms into seperate files which could then be OCR'ed. The plus to this approach, is that for some books, just opening them would damage them beyond all repair.

    I thouhgt it a pretty cool idea. Anyone ever heard of this befoe?

    -Chipp

  99. This makes me think by TaxSlave · · Score: 1

    I run a used bookstore. I could spend a little time running books through this thing, and with a little work, read the latest releases on my palm pilot, for reading at the beach.

    On the other hand, there's a big difference between reading on my m130 and holding that paperback in my hand.

  100. Yes, by Crazy+Eight · · Score: 1
  101. Could you possible explain a little by lingqi · · Score: 1

    I have never have had that much good experience with OCR, personally. It seem that in the end, I get around 95% accuracy, while the OCR companies claim only 99% or somesuch.

    Even assume that 99% accuracy is achievable, that's still 1% error, which means about 50 words would be OCR'd incorrectly out of every 1000 or so. (assuming 5 letters per word average)

    That's a LOT of errors!

    The problem is, for stuff like Mark Twain, who *intentionally* mis-spell stuff, or write out things phonetically (anybody read Huck Finn?), you won't know if it's an error because of the OCR or the author's original intent.

    A typo was made that said spinach had 10x iron content than it really had. This became a undisputed fact for decades (and people are still going strong on it). So even though Mark Twain's works have millions of copies in circulation, I'd bet any errors contained within the digital versions won't surface for a long time, if ever. And this is Mark Twain we're talking about here. How about authors who don't get so much coverage?

    So, if possible, can you enlighten us on some techniques that you guys are using to ensure that the digital replications are, well, CORRECT? I am sure it's impractical for human proofreaders...

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  102. Re:Will those scanned books available online?-DjVu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Using this could help toward that goal.

  103. Great and now they'll sit idle-Victimless argument by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "while the books crumble away because they have fallen back into copywrite and some suit with no vision beyond the next quarter refuses to allow his 'property' to be 'stolen'."

    And the moral of the story is...Don't steal!

    Can't 'worry' about what 'people' don't 'do'.

  104. Re:Digitizing Pr0n? (Alternate Article Title) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Ok, I have too much free time.

    Of course, based on the number of postings from Anonymous Coward you can see I have waaaaaay too much free time. Me, Betty Crocker, Mrs. Paul, Ronald McDonald, John Doe, and Mr. Goodwrench are busy people.

  105. V---ger by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How long will it be before this creation of man learns all there is to learn in the library, gaining consiousness, then trying to take over the library by integrating into it's being it's creator, or any available hot chicks?

  106. Page-turning machine nostalgia by Animats · · Score: 1
    I saw the first automatic page turning machine in action in 1967.

    The Bureau of the Census's R&D department built a page-turning machine to handle Census forms in booklet form. All the paper manipulation was done using wheels and belts with a partial vacuum behind them. The machine rolled a wheel over the booklet, winding one page part way around the wheel. A conveyer belt moved the entire booklet. The pages were microfilmed with an overhead camera.

    In a later step, the microfilms were processed into a computer, using a machine called FOSDIC, built out of surplus UNIVAC 1105 parts. This machine just detected dots in circles, as on test forms. Output was a magnetic tape.

    That's how 1970 census data was processed.

  107. knowledge imprint into our DNA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can only imagine, one day all the knowledge scanned from the books would be imprinted into our DNA, so we don't have to waste the first 20 years of our life re-learn the past.

  108. sounds ok by alcharn · · Score: 1

    I mean these robots sound pretty incredible, but the question of democracy will arise.