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Ardour Digital Audio Workstation Now in Beta
croddy writes "The first beta of the Ardour digital audio workstation has been released. A tarball is available at the Ardour project page on Sourceforge. Packagers are currently preparing binary releases for several major Linux distributions. Ardour is a professional-grade, low-latency, multi-track digital hard disk recording and mixing application designed to replace dedicated HDR systems, and software systems such as ProTools and Samplitude. It supports audio processing plugins via LADSPA. Although it is still a beta, the years of work and dedication by the Ardour development team are very much visible in this release."
I can now FINALLY ditch windows forever!
huh?
If it really replaces the commercial tools it says it does, it would be worth dual-booting to Linux just for this one app alone.
What does it take to get an app like this to run on OSX? A recompile, or something more sinsiter, like Fink or a complete port?
If you fall off a building, go real limp, because maybe you'll look like a dummy and people will be like hey, free dummy
Not to mention it give those of us who only dabble a way to play without shelling out large amounts of cash.
Can Linux switchers get commercials like those annoying Mac ones too?
IAALS.
Time to dump far too many Windows tools...no more loosing work to the BSOD!
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Great now I can record music in my home, and publish it on the internet, and get sued by the RIAA for not paying them for the privilege of making music.
Food not Bombs is a nice platitude but it breaks down when you notice that the Bombees are usually well fed
How does Ardour compare to Audacity, another free digital audio editing program? I want to know my options before switching from proprietary Cool Edit.
Will I retire or break 10K?
Finally, I'll be able to sleep at night knowing I'm not illegally using some of the Windows based audio software.
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It's getting to the point where I absolutely cannot wait for this to finally arrive.
My musician husband has been lusting after the ability to record music for years, and the big trouble has been that the right software has been proprietary, often requiring expensive hardware to make it work, and EXPENSIVE on its own.
To wit: Vegas from Sonic Foundry costs $700. Samplitude is about that much. ProTools? If you have to ask, you can't afford it. Sonar by Cakewalk only costs $500. (ONLY)
Unfortunately it's not production quality yet. But from the looks of the site, it looks like they are getting close to it now.
Give it a year or so and I will be able to finally wipe Windows off of the family audio computer and do it the right way...with Free as in FREEDOM software.
Knowledge is power. Knowledge shared is power multiplied.
The perfect tool for even MORE lame Korean knockoffs of American pop music.
Actually, though...the cheaper the tools, the less lure there is for artists to sign their souls over to RIAA.
Sorry for bringing up RIAA again, just because the topic happens to involve sound.
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Ardour is a professional-grade, low-latency, multi-track digital hard disk recording and mixing application
Wow, so I can actually record a hard disk with this program? What do I record it on? Another hard disk? Imagining an infinite loop of hard disks...
I almost spewed apple juice out my nose when I saw Ardour referred to as "professional-grade" and compared to Pro-Tools. Sorry, it's a nice free package and useful for light hobbyist work, but that's about it. I've been trying to migrate my studio off Windows for awhile now and nothing on Linux comes close, so I just bought Macs instead. Just getting Ardour to install was a daunting task, let alone getting it to see the soundcards I had. Yes it's still beta, but it doesn't even fair well against simple cheap tools that were available in 1997.
I like Ardour (when I actually managed to get it compiled) I have found that it will never replace my Mackie MDR 24, or my Mackie 8-bus console. I'm a knob/fader/pot turner and I like the feel of "real" equipment (I also like the way it looks, all shiney, with the lights and LED's sparkling).
I use Ardour mostly for low-level editing of tracks I record on the MDR. I can ftp into the MDR and pull the tracks out of project (they are just WAV files) and import them into Ardour. The best part about Ardour for editing is its non-destructive-ness... especially for the Mackie were if you had destructive editing... well your synch wouldn't be... um, in synch.
Now, maybe, with binary distributions coming online, we can see VST plugin capability?
sad robot making broken music
enough with the software updates, its nice yeah when something pops up that your interested in which has been the case for many myself many times I admit, but really they should be left for freshmeat.net.. wouldnt you agree?
Im sure theres many more interesting news submissions coming in than software updates..
moo
I have to cringe when I see Ardours interface. I feel the same way about Logic.
Now the killer question, is this cool tool a good replacement for Windows based products such as CoolEdit or Cakewalk's Sonar? I've been a long time user of the later since the DOS days, but have become increasingly annoyed by latency issues as a result of the operating system.
I'm not only encouraged to make the switch by tools such as Ardour, but the increasing support for MIDI & Sound cards AND if need be, tweak my Linux Kernel for real-time music, MIDI & sound performance.
Now I just need to find an equivalent to Dave Phillips' "Sound & Midi Software for Linux" page for Video editing & DVD production.
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The de facto standard for this kind of work is ProTools. Despite any grass-roots campaigns against it, it is the most commonly used DAW application out there.
OSS packages, while great and useful, are not going to be able to compete with ProTools in the near future. ProTools (not LE, not FE, the real version) comes with custom external DSP hardware. The external DSPs and related hardware are used for to process software plugins as well as simple tasks like ADC/DAC of signals. Until the OSS community can provide both equivalent hardware and software support for it, there will be no competition between packages like this one and ProTools, as they are in entirely different classes.
All that being said, I'm really happy someone is working on it, and that I'll probably use this or similiar package, but not for the same things I'd use ProTools for.
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ardour will interface with any multi-channel pro-grade interface you throw at it (assuming it is ALSA supported).
it was written with this interface (among others) in mind:
RME Hammerfall DSP
which is cheaper than a digidesign 888. compare the specs :-)
Now I just need to get my sound card working under Linux!
After about three years of testing Ardour it's great to see the beta release. I own a small commercial recording studio and am really looking forward to running Ardour and other linux applications fulltime. There's still work to be done but it's getting very close.
Ardour is a jackd client. Jackd enables hardware and software port routing. So, application_a:output_N can be routed to application_b:input_N and on and on to the extent of your computing capabilities.
In addition to routing, jackd also has transport syncronization functionality. The transport api is in beta but it's being actively developed. Earlier this morning I tested DM-24(digital mixer) MMC play instructions to Ardour(jack transport master) to Alsaplayer(jack transport slave) and Ardour-mtc:out to DM-24 for sync between Ardour and the mixing consol.
In the middle of that chain I've got JAMin which is a jack client audio mastering application
So, I hit play(dm-24) Ardour engages transport, Alsaplayer engages transport and sends its output to JAMin which in turn sends its output to Ardour where the mastered product is recorded. This is incredible stuff.
My hat is off to the linux audio developer and user community.
Next on the agenda, call my protools pals and invite them over for beer. :)
What do you mean "lack of good music recording/processing software on Linux" ? It's built in the OS for crying out loud :
/dev/dsp > my_music.raw /dev/dsp
Recording : cat
Processing : dd if=my_music.wav of=my_shorter_music.raw bs=1k count=10
Playing : cat my_shorter_music.raw >
Just try to do that on Windows!
"A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
It would seem the biggest problem here is lack of driver support for a wide range of pro-audio sound cards and interfaces. Looking at the ALSA supported hardware page (which this workstation utilizes), most of the pro hardware hasn't been verified to work well.
I think the other major downside is the lack of VST plug-in support. Most every major digital audio software workstation like ProTools and Nuendo take advantage of the large array of VST plug-ins available for things like effects processing. I don't think you'll see a lot of pro audio guys contemplate switching over until VST support is added (in Ardour's defense, VST support is tricky because a lot of them are platform-specific due to bad design).
However, I salute them for their work and hope that Ardour matures into a great package.
Imagine when high-quality digital recording facilities are available at low cost to those that want to use them. The RIAA will have lost its hammerlock on both side of the music supply chain. Suddenly the arguments that say the RIAA are screwing the artists start to have a lot more validity: the artists will be able to create works and distribute them easily in return for a fair price.
Even if some other proprietary system is the standard, I hope artists sieze this opportunity. (If only so I can see the RIAA swallow their collective tongue.)
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I've been doing audio production work for a couple years using Windows 2000, Nuendo, Amplitube, This incredible $139 gadget, using only this inexpensive audio card. I don't get blue screens of death, my hardware is fully supported, etc. I run a second HD with Red Hat 9 (and incidentally, the awesome Ximian Desktop), and I can't even get my sound card to work. I love Linux, but no serious musician will be using the penguin for audio production for at least a few more years.
FWIW there's a rumour that Tracktion, (a bit of a cult audio/midi sequencer amongst some audio circles) is also getting ported over to Linux in the next couple of months. My money's on this as a more serious contender for the linux audio throne, but I don't know if it'll be open source (probably not actually, as it's a commercial app on Windows + Mac).. anyways, it's a cool bit of software that's worth checking out anyway. www.tracktion.com IIRC
Does anyone have suggestions for making a setup similar to Ardour, but with MIDI recording and editing?
Looking at the Ardour page, this looks outstanding if all of your inputs are waveforms! Personally, though, I've been looking to set up a small studio that can do the types of things Ardour can with waveform audio (although, i could be satisfied with 8 or so channels). However, I'd also like to be able to capture & edit MIDI tracks along with the audio, since I use both a digital piano and drum kit.
Any and all recommendations would be great, regardless of OS and potential required hardware... Cost is of course an issue, but if the system is good enough, a reasonable investment may be worth it.
As a music producer it will be great to have an alternative to the Windows aps such as Sonar, Cubase and Nuendo. I never quite felt that Windows was friendly enough to fully accomodate professional music production. I'm not sure is Linux is more real time audio friendly and condusive to low latency (Sub 10 ms) audio. Any opinions on this?
Seriously, I hope this works as well as described. Although their is an uphill battle agains mind share (ProTools is truly the DeFacto standard in real studies) there is ALSO the fact that Musicians are also a contraty bunch indeed. They are more likely to use "something different", a.k.a. Linux, than almost any other group, just out of a desire to truly "think outside of the box" and "*f the man!. Suggestion to the Authors: for this to work the designers of Ardour should focus, focus, focus on the user interface, leaving GewGaws behind. I've recorded with computers for over 10 years, have a full studio, blah blah. What do I mainly use?... Cakewalk Guitar Tracks, a $50 program. Why? because the interface is beautiful and EASY to use. Looks just like a multitrack recorder, an analogue device designed for ease of use. After 27 beers, nobody wants to page through 17 menus to start a recording, they just want to capture the sound. Anyway, good luck to them, I look forward to it.
I think, therefore I thought.
I'd rather waste my money on good condensor microphones than on some proprietary black box that runs expensive, shitty reverbs.
am I pissed? yeah. I've spent too many hours wasted rebooting OS9 to reset the digi 888 when Peak destroys the DAE driver and Protools won't talk to it anymore.
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I was thinking about workarounds for the RIAA, there are alot of decent bands out there. What if they just did cover songs of current popular msuic anonymously and released them on the P2P. My copyright is a little fuzzy but I belive they can do live performances and they are definutly not allowed to profit from it. But what if someone records their garage playings, masters the tracks and releases them. Who gets the C&D now? Granted musicians spend hundreds of hours to produce a track but it can't be nearly as hard when you have a baseline of what you want it to sound like.
protools (and others) run at 96 khz with big iron (Solid State Logic etc) running at 192khz.
Sigh - nice effort though. I guess the custom DSP's make a lot of difference. But i guess if you can mate this thing to a decent sound card then 96khz should be do-able..
Aww, poo baby, having to spend a couple grand on equipment to make money. What IS the world coming to? Oh wait, let's leave Musician Reality and enter Real World Reality.
Tools for automotive mechanics can cost thousands of dollars, and that's not including the computerized tools now practically required for most vehicles made since 1995 or so.
IT people spend housands of dollars on equipment, references like the Nutshell books, training, education, certification, and software.
Carpenters need vehicles, labourers, lots of tools, state license...don't forget the good ones have spend considerable time in an apprenticeship...then there's laying down the money for materials not knowing if you'll get paid...not to mention all the overhead of starting a new business...
Doctors spend HUNDREDS of thousands of dollars on education- then there's the intern period where you make shit $ for unbelievable hours. Then there's joining a practice, all THAT equipment(you think YOUR equipment is expensive?), malpractice insurance...oh, and your student loans.
Fact is that any profession requires money to aquire the knowledge, experience, and tools necessary to do the job; that's why those professionals make MONEY using those TOOLS, why their SERVICES are VALUED and people PAY what we real world people like to call MONEY for those SERVICES.
While I agree this free software package is great, you need to get your(or your husband's) artist-head out of the proverbial socialist-poet-filled coffeeshop and into reality- because one free software package is not going to turn your home office into a recording studio. You're forgetting about sound deadening, a nice recording microphone, mixers, wiring, maybe even electrical work(helloooo ground loop hum!)...
Please help metamoderate.
I found it interesting how much these guys seem to like Dual AMD machines.
Not that is really suprises me, they are an "cheap" way to get really good performance. Whoever, they referred to them quite a few times in their promo material.
-Pete
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Doesn't this need to be tested out by having a Geeks in Space Reunion Special?
I agree whole heartedly. Obviously these guys don't spend a whole lot of time in front of the screen editing to know that the eye strain would be awful using a program like this. It's like using SAW or something!
Even though I've come to detest Avid, the Digi side still works well. They're arrogant, but have a right to be. There's nothing that works better and is more standard in the audio industry than ProTools. Where's the TDM support? If you guys editing in Cool Edit had any clues you'd be screaming for this feature. Go to a studio running a recent incarnation of ProTools HD and spend some time editing in it. You'll have gear lust until you have a system of your own.
First, when creating a DAW, you adapt your hardware for the platform. Linux does have semi-pro and professional audio solutions. The hardware isn't the issue.
Now, you still might be right that real audio production in Linux is a few years off. The kernel patches are a bit of a pain still, from what I understand, not to mention that the plugin support isn't there. However, Linux has a viable future in the audio/video editing arena if some commercial (not necessarily proprietary) vendors come in.
(Why do we need those pesky businesses, by the way? Because those businesses have money to hire engineers who may not be as altruistic as the rest of us, not to mention pay for the use of patents in the field...)
There are stand alone DAW solutions under $1000 and even well proportioned upgrades for under $2000! Korg has the D-1200 and the D-1600 that can record at least 12 tracks, mix them, add effects and burn the disk all in one. Same with Roland, Yamaha, Fostex, Zoom and even Akai.
For computer based solutions MOTU makes the 828 and the 896 with all balanced inputs and software for under $1500. Compare the price of that vs. recording in a cheap studio and you'll save a bunch of money in the long run.
And people PLEASE, and Audigy sound card is not a professional audio interface.
See here's the thing. Protools is something you drop around 10-24k for. Then you usually have to drop a few grand to have someone install it and make it all work. Now this is all fine and dandy when you have studios that can afford this. But the average consumor can't afford that. So we got Digi stuff. Digi001 = $700 and Digi002=$1500-$2000(on ebay) still rather pricey. I helped a friend build a small home studio with a Delta44 for around $400. The other 400 was spent on mics and cables. So that's $800 for a sound card, mics, and cables. As opposed to the $800 (700 plus tax) to get Digi001. Now my friend didn't have any software because he's running Linux (the Gentoo flavor) so he compile Ardour. I've been in recording studios that use protools, I've even used it myself. But for a person doing a home-small studio Ardour is perfect. And you can create a recording in equal quality to a protools setup. I've seen it done. Protools is the industry choice, but that doesn't mean it's the best. Just like Windows is a standard on the desktop, doesn't mean it's the best. But Protools is good at what it does, hence the reason studios use it. Personally I'm an analog man, but that stuff gets 5-10 times as expensive as protools (to do it right) so I have to settle for DAWs. Price is generally a factor, especially in a home studio project.
Please support VST or Audio Unit plugins; there's no use to a DAW without a modern plugin format...
All of our Destroy FX plugins are available with source, contrary to what the FAQ says.
It's always like this with Open Source: Defendants claim it fits all the needs of today's proprietary solutions users and attackers come with the "immature and ugly" argument.
Of course Ardour is far away from being "pro" as in ProTools or Solid State Logic, but hey, might be a good solution for home recordings, demos and stuff.
Thing is, to make it real, Ardour should get at least better than Sonar, and better means not only having the same or more features (which it is already close to, as I've had my eye on this project for a while) but also being extremely easy to setup and use.
If I want to get Sonar working on my PC I only need to hit the "Next" button a couple of times. And this is usually the hard part when it comes to Linux projects, always suffering from (lack of) standardization.
Plus, and that is the big point to make me not migrate my little home studio to Ardour, software price is not a big deal. I still need a good sound card (mine is a Delta44, cost me $300 a couple of years ago), guitars (acoustic, electric, bass), drums and microphones (I use a Zoom RT-123 for drum sequencing, but if you use a real drum kit you'll find yourself spending a lot more on microphones), amplifier (mine is an Alesis - 100W) and good speakers (JBL Monitor1 for instance).
This ends all up costing $3k or so, making the price tag on the software not significant compared to ease of use.
Just my 2 cents.
One of the nice things about Sonar is the (with the addon) ability to take a midi track made up of soundfonts and render it to a wav for a final mix.
That seems to be about the only major thing I would consider missing (the VST plugin "almost-support" was a surprise. Wonder if they could get DirectX plugin support via wine or something as well.)
What about a revolving door? Sounds like another cat/buttered toast invention in the works.
Seriously, back on topic(?). It seems they forgot about Alsihad.
my associative arrays can kick your hash - TCL
This is Open source software! Participate! Download the stinking tarball, roll it out onto a spare Linux PC, and lend a hand!
Don't you guys get it?! WE write the software. If you can't code, test it and report back bugs.
Having a hand in its development will give you a better sense of where it needs to go and what it can really do. Keep your protools, it's a good program. With your help, however, you can make this many times better, and a few dollars cheaper. ;>
'nuff said...
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I remember there was a group of guys about 10 years ago at Steinberg that were working on the Cubase port to Unix specifically the SGI. What ever happed to this adventurous project? Anyone have an idea? Ondo are you out there???
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The more people talk about Dual AMD machines, the more prople will talk about Dual AMD machines. Mention AMD in a conversation today! Help defeat the Intel spin-factory.
I want to delete my account but Slashdot doesn't allow it.
I think there is a lot of potential for professional-grade installations using something like Ardour. The tool itself is open-source and it runs on an open-source OS. Don't think it runs fast enough? Reconfigure your kernel by removing all the junk you don't use. Go through the startup scripts, turning off services and daemons you don't need. Switch to one of the more real-time oriented versions of Linux. Hack the source code, optimize the drivers, add your own features.
Okay, realistically, I'm not going to do this. I will plunk on my guitar in my basement, make a couple of mediocre tracks, and move on with my life.
But's what's stopping you from doing this? Or a technically savvy sound studio owner? Or, cooler than that, you could make a product by combining a rack mounted PC, a custom-configured version of Linux, a custom-configured version of Ardour, and the testing and support that would be needed. Of course, the GPL would require you to make the source code available. But that's okay. You get paid for your expertise without taking anything away from those who provided the expertise to build Ardour or Linux.
Whew, ranting a bit. Sorry. But I am excited by the possibilities.
> The external DSPs and related hardware are used for to process
> software plugins as well as simple tasks like ADC/DAC of signals
If all you're using external DSP hardware for is as co-processors to run software on, you're fighting a losing battle--CPUs performance is increasing so quickly that you're barely done with the DSP hardware design before the next generation CPU comes out and obviates the need for it. Basically the only long-term justification for external hardware is for high-quality interfacing to the real world. Anything else is just vendor tie-in, kind of like a large expensive security dongle. I assume ProTools is an old established company, so five or ten years ago their external co-processors might very well have been required. But just the fact that they are "external DSPs" makes them in no way inherently better--if anything, worse, since you add communications latency. Remember when encoding/decoding MPEG video required actual hardware cards?
Well, I COULD spend my time testing, tracking bugs, and coding simply because the tool is open source...
...But what I'd rather be doing with my spare time is making music.
Ask me again when the product can deal with midi tracks as well as waves. Until then, it is NOT professional.
If you'll read Ardour's documentation, you will see that because Steinberg will not release the headers for the VST files, they are not available to use with Ardour. Steinberg has not come out as hostile to Linux, but they aren't giving OSS developers any of thier cards, either.
Don't Panic!
Are you insane? That's like saying GIMP will replace Photoshop. Neither of them are even close to being in the same leage.
It's hyperbole like that that HURTS Open Source.
Try telling a real professional that this thing is near to replacing ProTools and you will be laughed off the planet.
Get a grip. It (like gimp) might make a nice cheap alternative for the garage band or bedroom recording artist, but it's got about a decade more work to go to approach what ProTools does TODAY.
Advertise it for what it is, don't make completely uninformed comments like this will be a free replacement for ProTools. My ghod.
Contrary to popular belief, coding is not all free blow-jobs and beer. Those things cost MONEY!
Just a quick correction for those who've hit the Samplitude link listed. Sek'd doesn't own it anymore. It's now produced by Magix.
They have a site dedicated to Samplitude and Sequoia at samplitude.com
While I am looking forward to Ardour getting close to a real release, I must say that Audacity is a great program. I've been trying unsuccessfully to install Ardour on Slackware for literally YEARS. However, I've NEVER had a problem installing Audacity.
In fact I frequently used it to record demos of my band last year. Audacity is very stable and simple to use. It's goal is to be a multi-track recorder and it accomplishes that.
As a musician and a linux user, I can tell you that as nice as direct writing/reading files is, you need something a tad more powerful for low latency multi-track recording (including eq's and effects). I'm going to order a new digi I/O board soon to try out this cool piece of sw.
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You're right about the point of ProTools..however, for less than the price of all that hardware, you could build a top-of-the-line system, hook up a few cheap-o systems in your closet or wherever, and process your plugins via VST System Link.
Hardcore ProTools systems may be useful for studios with boatloads of cash, but it's rather out of reach for most (read: normal) people. I'm not even talking about garage bands..do you honestly think that someone selling around 100,000 copies of their album can afford to shell out that kind of cash?
I'm not saying Linux is a good alternative for the time being, because I don't think it is, but let's be realistic here. You can't compare everything to ProTools, regardless of whether or not you're a "geek with a garage band" or a musician releasing niche music that has a limited mainstream appeal. It just isn't practical, and in most cases, it's overkill.
I've worked with PC's and Proaudio professionally (but separately) for almost 10 years, and for the money and ease of use I really like the Roland VS series Digital Studio Workstations. Nice feature set, portable, just plug in your mics, edit, mixdown, and master to CD.
Sorry that was the wrong one, I meant this: http://www.ubergeek.tv/switchlinux/ it's hilarious
ProTools Free is a limited cut down version of ProTools, and it's not available for Linux. Linux has greater stability than Windows in many cases. I have doot boot Linux/WinME and WinME crashes frequently, even in audio apps. Not spending horrible amounts of money on software for recording frees up money for gear, food, etc. An open source recording studio puts you under no obligation to ProTools. Also, if you read the features section on the page, there are advantages to Ardour over Pro-Tools. "Freeing up developers" for other open source projects? What would you have them make? Linux toaster ovens? I'm very greatful to anyone who works on Linux/opensource audio apps.
If you'll read Ardour's documentation, you will see that because Steinberg will not release the headers for the VST files, they are not available to use with Ardour. Steinberg has not come out as hostile to Linux, but they aren't giving OSS developers any of thier cards, either.
I don't think the situation is quite as bad as that. Steinberg releases the full VST SDK for free and gives you pretty reasonable rights to do just about anything with it in your product - however you can't redistribute the VST SDK source code. In Audacity, the source code is VST-ready, but not compiled in by default. All you need to add VST support is to download the VST SDK, put it in the right directory, change one #define, and recompile. All of our binary releases do this already.
Alsihad == ProTools
"Although it is still a beta, the years of work and dedication by the Ardour development team are very much visible in this release."
Paul Davis wrote 99% of the Ardour code, he even recently claimed this on the Ardour website. I'm sorry, I've worked on many teams, this does not constitute a team.
Ardour is a wonderful piece of philanthropy, but as an example of the open source development model is it a failure. For those of you that don't know; Paul Davis was employee #2 at Amazon.com, he cashed in his millions and then devoted the last 4+ years of his life to the development of Ardour. What a very generous gift. Unfortunately, if this is what is required to create a niche program of Ardour's caliber, then the economic side of the open source development model has some serious issues. We already knew this, but it is an important point to always remember.
The last time I tried outputting to the sound card directly like that, it nearly killed my stereo... If you don't send just the right sound sample (isn't it something like signed 8kHz, 8-bit mono?), it comes out of the sound card in a terrible screech. The Linux kernel gods may have improved upon this since the last time I tried it, but I imagine it would be impossible to really improve on it unless they only supported playing sound samples with headers.
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mmmmmm. Thanks for the clarification--+1 informative.
Don't Panic!
It would be a big plus if this could support Buzz machines.
You will see that the author of this project (also the author of JACK, probably the most important recent addition to Linux for professional audio work, IMHO) has put a lot of thought into the limitations of similar tools on other OS's, including Protools/Nuendo/Cubase/Logic and some of the audio protocols which have been built around this design concept like VST, ReWire, etc.
So after all of the bitching on this list about making Linux tools _better_ than their MS/Apple counterparts, rather than just reinventing the wheel (see OpenOffice vs MSoffice), it seems a bit hasty to be judging the power of this new app on the basis of its feature-for-feature likeness to other tools.
I hope Ardour will get folks to take another look at Linux for music making. Linux has a very unique (and every growing) toolkit that allows musicians to do things they can't do anywhere else, and Ardour/JACK is an important addition.
I've used it over 2 years ago and it worked fine then. Not only did it work fine, it kicked ass up and down the block.
1) Use alsa (free)
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2) Use 4Front's $45 (total) driver.
The great thing about #2 is that after paying you can call up this engineer guy to help you out with this and that. For a whole year. He's a nice fellow.
The $45 is incl. in the price of the $300 card for Windows. So it's not much to ask for the Linux side.
It doesn't come stock in RedHat because people don't just buy computers from Dell with an Envy24-based card in them. Let's be realistic.
Black holes are where the Matrix raised SIGFPE
How about supporting other plug-in formats, not just LADSPA? Pro Tools for me is nothing without plug-ins (besides it's transparent easy-to-use interface). I suspect that Audiosuite and RTAS are proprietary, but surely VST is an open standard? A lot of people have bought 3rd party plug-ins, and it would make the app that much stronger if it supported them.
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Hmm, with everybody talking about Linux audio tools, I suppose this is my opportunity to plug GNUsound. GNUsound is now in version 0.6, and it's developing very well. If you need a fast, straightforward sound editor, you will want to give it a try.
And that explains why there are no Free games worth a shit compared to the evil proprietary closed source games?
So you think the game of chess isn't "worth a shit"? Or do you claim that Free chess bots have not progressed adequately, that you can consistently beat GNU Chess on its hardest level?
The hardest thing about making a Free game isn't the coding but rather the fact that graphic artists and music composers typically make a larger contribution to modern video games than coders make, and most artists and composers have not yet warmed up to the Free mindset.
And why MS Office still is light-years ahead of the open-source office suites?
Other than the ability to read its own proprietary document format, what does Microsoft Office have that OpenOffice.org lacks?
And why closed-evil Apple has brought UNIX to usability in a few years, that the might free hackers couldn't in 30?
Apple manufactures and sells computer hardware. Hardware cannot be duplicated as easily as software. Apple can make its hardware uniform and shift effort from debugging device drivers to UI research.
Will I retire or break 10K?
No, for playback everything mixes to stereo. Out of curiosity, what do you use this for?
One popular surround-sound system has three speakers in front, two speakers in back, and one subwoofer for bass enhancement.
Will I retire or break 10K?
Hello, I can't wait to watch my karma drop to bad after posting this because it's off topic or something... but I have tried all day to compile this downloading dozens of libraries... I'm stumped at this: checking how to run the C preprocessor... gcc -E checking for flex... no checking for lex... no checking for flex... ${SHELL} /home/dczx/TMR/ardour-0.9beta1/libs/gtkmm/missing --run flex
checking for yywrap in -lfl... no
checking for yywrap in -ll... no
checking lex output file root... configure: error: cannot find output from ${SHELL} /home/dczx/TMR/ardour-0.9beta1/libs/gtkmm/missing --run flex; giving up
configure: error: /bin/sh './configure' failed for gtkmm
configure: error: /bin/sh './configure' failed for libs
[root@localhost ardour-0.9beta1]#
since there's no support forum I could find, does anyone have any ideas? thanks
first of all. have you installed and used Ardour yet? Second of all, I believe the SAW line has been the most powerful audio software released on any platform. Coded in assembly and solid as a rock. I've worked on Protools systems for years, along with other systems such as the old Sonic Solutions, Fairlight systems, Otari Radar, etc. I think the newest incarnation of SAW, which is SAWStuido, is the most powerful and stable of them all on a good machine. I'm really glad that digi's arrogance has helped in pushing you towards their subpar, over-priced products.
As for me, I am an observer that has observed there is a lot of observing to observe.
I could care less about what language anything is written in or which compiler is used. All that matters is it's speed, functionality, audio quality and that it doesn't crash! I have no problem with ProTools, but I use it more to edit than to create. I've been using Logic for 12 years and have every other piece of software to use if I wish, but I like the Logic platform. Use whatever you like, but SAW is still ugly. Fairlight never gained any popularity after NE Digital went away, Otari doesn't own the RADAR anymore and Sonic is still forensic software (sorry Jorde)! As far as Digi is concerned, I would use there converters, I'll stick with Apogee. Take it easy, this shouldn't be a flame war. The comment was that the UI was ugly and it is.
To all,
The author of Ardour also produced a program call Quasidomo.
I am trying to locate the program, which is supposed to be housed at "www.quasidomo.org".
However, that "quasidomo.org" is for sale.
And I've tried to search the Net for places where I can download Quasidomo but have yet to find it.
If you know where that Quasidomo program is located now, would you mind telling me, please ?
Thank you !
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
There are plenty of bands out there living on Ramen for whom cost is indeed an issue. Of course, many people will illegally copy commercial software, but that doesn't mean cost isn't an issue.
Between the various commercial Windows studio applications I've used (yes, in a real studio with ADATs, etc.), none of the interfaces have been the same. The interfaces have also changed between releases for the same product.
On top of that, most of them attempt to immitate real-world console interfaces. Jakob Nielson would point out that this is not necessarily the ideal user interface, since computers are different from the real world. I'd like to see someone really try to evaluate an incredibly efficient interface without being constrained by trying to copy the real world (vi the studio app?) Pros are perfectly willing to learn vast amounts of information and adapt to a "weird" interface if it allows them to do their job better (think of accountants and WP5.1). Turning knobs with a mouse _can't_ be the best way.
Failing that, control stations are currently available that provide a real-world console interface to your studio software. Support for these should be a high priority.
WMBC freeform/independent online radio.
No, fuckwad, I have a family to support and alot of expenses your live-at-home-with-mama ass will never know.
Can I bum a sig? I left mine at the office.
BTW my recording card is a Delta 44, my gaming card is a SBL Platinum 5.1. Not the latest, but does what I need. Would probably do well for those pre-pubescent gay .RMs you like to "stream" to as well.
Can I bum a sig? I left mine at the office.
Can I bum a sig? I left mine at the office.
I don't know about you, but when I call to a pet, I do it with a very clear and authoritative voice, not unlike the one I use with other lower life forms like you. If you use guttural or distorted voices when speaking to the animals, it probably says something about you. It also probably scares the hell out of the animals. All the better. If they knew what's good for them, they started running as soon as they saw you.
You do owe the dog-kind apologies, but you know the real reason why. You are not only fixated on the pre-pubescent, you are an animal fetishist as well. You have combined the two and will only mate with underage dogs. Ah well, your mum's been of age for almost two years and she's fair game since your dad, I mean older brother moved out, but she's a special case.
Can I bum a sig? I left mine at the office.
You're the wulf-kind for certain. Weren't you the one who told us two comments ago how long you'd been "out of the gate"... you can deny your true self only so long before your own language will give you away.
It is so entertaining how you can flip from asinine vulgarity to holier-than-thou in an instant. I guess you have to be inventive if you are the only one who will listen. Are you sure you're not also a latent appliance fetishist? That would limit you to underage robot dogs...
Can I bum a sig? I left mine at the office.