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Netscape 7.1 Released
Phil writes "Netscape has just released the eagerly-awaited Netscape 7.1 (previously known by its codename, 'Buffy') for Windows, Mac OS and Linux. The new version is based on Mozilla 1.4, which is due out later today. Netscape 7.1 features many improvements over 7.02 including even better CSS support, spam filters, find-as-you-type, automatic image resizing, more customization via about:config, Web development tools, Palm synchronization and more. Plus, for the first time, ChatZilla (Mozilla's IRC client) is included in the full install. More information can be found at Netscape Browser Central and in this MozillaZine article. The release is available from Netscape's download page, via FTP or on CD."
I hate getting old data because the browser is caching. Is it easy to totally turn caching off? Under certain circumstances, in mac IE, you can even hit reload and get an old copy.
-Libertarian secular transhumanist
Yes, because they (hopefully) will be feeding AOL with a new browser to wean users away from IE.
That being said, however, what advantages does the Netscape version of Mozilla have?
I'll continue to use Mozilla firebird and thunderbird, thank you very much. Why? Same code, basically, but Mozilla doesn't litter every spot on my computer with AOL icons, in my favorites, start menu, programs menu, etc.
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I'm probably not the first to ask, but why? Why don't they just let Netscape die in peace and tell people to go use Mozilla? It doesn't add anything of value.
Mozilla 1.4 is out too. jason
jason
Have a good day?! Impossible! I'm at work!
Netscape could resist naming it Netscape 8 ? The apocalypse is near !
Winamp 3's IRC client is better than Mozilla's
There may be other features that are hidden or disabled as well, but that's enough for me to go with the Mozilla flavor.
Subscribers can see articles in the future? So what? Everyone gets to see them in the future.
If you care about standards and alternatives to IE, then you should care about just about any good news for the opposition to M$. Of course, if you don't care about webpages being viewable through OSX, Unix, Linux, or anything but windowsXP and it's successors, then by all means, continue to care nothing about alternative browser choices.
Yes, I do care about Netscape. Not necessarily because I think Netscape is the raddest, most elite browser out there, but because without Netscape, there would be no Mozilla. Let's face it, Mozilla relies on Netscape, and as a result, AOL, for life support.
If AOL should decide that Netscape isn't worth developing anymore, and decides to pull the plug on the few full-time Netscape/Mozilla developers remaining, as well as the resources dedicated to Netscape/Mozilla (such as the web servers), Mozilla would be in some serious doo-doo.
To show my support and to show AOL that indeed at least someone is interested in Netscape, I have already pre-ordered a Netscape 7.1 CD with Guide book. I may not ever use it, but at least AOL and Netscape knows that someone out there appreciates their efforts and may continue developing the core for one of the finest browsers out there, Firebird.
"We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." - Oscar Wilde
AOL ad sales reps?
sulli
RTFJ.
I've been personally hooked on OS.X since its beta days. Originally the only games in town were OmniWeb (preferred), IE (ack), and Netscape (good 2nd choice).
Back in my Windows days IE never really got my attention -- it was always Netscape (up to 4.79 was decent).
The releases of Netscape that followed (Windows or OS.X) were pretty much not installed/forgotten. On the Windows end it was Mozilla/Opera and on OS.X 99% Safari.
This Netscape will get installed and hit the distribution cycle. It is very fast on OS.X and worth taking a look at (!)
Just what I needed! Develop my website which doesn't exist or sync a palmtop which I don't have! Could someone hand me a dictionary and point out what the word "bloat" means?
Hate me!
I have the same curiousity. Wouldn't it be more cost-effective and sensible for AOL/Netscape to just distribute Firebird instead of putting so much into Netscape? Or why even bother on their end? I would love to see statistics on how many people download this in the next few weeks. Then compare that to Safari, Firebird, or even Opera.
Not me anyway - happy Opera-user
Everything in the world is controlled by a small, evil group to which, unfortunately, no one you know belongs.
I was sweating while I was attempting to download it before the article (on slashdot) went live ... just made it under the wire.
KARMA TAG! You're it.
This is the reason why Netscape lost out to IE on the Windows platform, not because Microsoft somehow unfairly leveraged its position as the developer of Windows...Netscape used to be the king of browsers, but their laziness/refusal to innovate eventually led them to fall behind Internet Explorer...By the time Communicator rolled around, Netscape was bloated and inefficient, while Internet Explorer loaded quickly (even on Macs, not just on Windows) and ran far more smoothly while incorporating support for more HTML standards...
Netscape can whine all it wants about how Microsoft competed with it unfairly, but the fact remains that Netscape is the only party responsible for its own doom...And now that its parent company AOL has signed an agreement with Microsoft, there's no way in hell that they're ever going to recover...At least some of their efforts will live on in Mozilla...
Although I prefer Mozilla overall, I keep an install of Netscape around because of it's more efficient use of Java under Linux (for the rare occasions when I really need to access some Java program). I can get Java going decently in Mozilla, but I get tired of having to make fresh symlinks and other small changes each time I overhaul Mozilla.
Karma: SELECT `karma` FROM `users` WHERE `userid`=138474;
Looking at the new set of features this release offers (palm synchronisation, IRC client), it strikes me as though the project is trying to cover as many areas as possible that come loosely under the umbrella of "information exchange". Good things for this release are improved CSS support, image resizing on the fly etc. - advancements that improve the surfing experience. I wish they'd concentrate more on this area insted of bolting on the kitchen sink too..
"I am not bound to please thee with my answers" [William Shakespeare]
" This is the reason why Netscape lost out to IE on the Windows platform, not because Microsoft somehow unfairly leveraged its position as the developer of Windows..."
It is a combination of both factors. Netscape made their browser worse and worse, while M$ improved IE...which they bundled for free and promoted aggressively. The two factors combined nicely to turn Netscape into a footnote.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
Now only if Netscape had a full screen feature like IE does. It has (as has Mozilla - been there for ages). Just press F11 and you get the same deal as with IE.
A reload that doesn't reload everything is very useful if you don't want to spend time reloading all the graphics on a page too. On a page like the /. front page, the difference on a slow line can be 3 seconds versus 30 seconds.
It's also useful if a page is incomplete.
More of interest with the Netscape release is
a) What has changed from the previous version of Netscape, and
b) What has changed from the corresponding version of Mozilla that it's built on.
If it's just adding the same AOL add-ons (or should I say ad-ons?) to a newer version of Mozilla than before, I'd say move on, there's nothing to see here.
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Netscape 7.1 for windows, linux, mac
Netscape 4.x for solaris, sgi and many other oses. Why is the numbering so whacked?
Have you ever used a browser other than IE? Every other browser I've used in the last year has offered a better browsing experience than IE. Mozilla has tabbed browsing and more recently pop up blocking. Phoenix has had both for a while. Plus IE doesn't render especially fast, and lacks a number of other features contained in most Gecko browsers. There are some reasons to use IE of course, like for plugins that only work in IE.
There is obviously good reason to look beyond IE though.
Feel free to mod me "-1 - Angry Jerk".
A full reload is pointless on most sites. Why bother reloading title.gif when you want to see if there are any new slashdot stories? It's a waste of bandwidth.
It sucks that the shift-reload trick is undocumented, but you could easily fix that.
This is my 700th post. Hooray for me!
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Press F11 in Mozilla 1.4, and you get a full screen, just like IEs.
:)
Better, actually, as the address bar is still there.
Moz's (and NS's) form function is great. Different from IE's, but still great.
Does this not do what you want???
> Back in my Windows days IE never really got my attention -- it was always Netscape (up to 4.79 was decent).
Hah! Anyone who says the 4.x version of Netscape were decent never tried to develop for them and still maintain compatibility with IE (yes, it might be Microsoft's fault, but IE became the defacto standard due to its heavy adoption). At least modern versions of Netscape renders pages and Javascript correctly now.
I worked at a University, and we COULDN'T WAIT to get rid of Netscape because people would bitch about some pages not working (mostly DHTML problems). Pretty much all those pages work in IE and Moz/NS6+.
Netscape 4.x was a pile of shit. I challenge you to install it and use it for awhile. You'll be begging for the advanced rendering features of Lynx in no time.
before its slashdotted Well, that is a good way to keep it from being /.'ed Post the link on /.
Netscape has SNS support for AOL/Netscape/Compuserve users. SNS passes the AOL login to sites which need to authenticate - sort of a "single sign-on for the web". Very cool if you're an AOL user.
Mozilla adds popup blocking support.
I haven't tried the new Mozilla or Netscape yet, but in using Mozilla 1.4a vs. Netscape 7.0 on Solaris 8 Mozilla wins hands down. Netscape will take several seconds to regain any control quite often, and the integrated AIM client just hangs for 10 seconds or so before (slowly) responding. Those sort of things may be fixed in Netscape 7.1, but I haven't tried it yet...
I for one like having my browser decrypt Content Scramble System encoded DVDs.
sulli
RTFJ.
Now if a roaming profiles was added to Netscape/Mozilla, I could completely switch.
In the case of IRIX, SGI is just facing reality: they've never made a dent in the desktop market, and it's not worth spending money to make their workstations do things people can do more cheaply with Wintel systems. When I worked there, they didn't even have up-to-date Quicktime codecs!
You can't really replicate it with gnome panel, as all that can do as group buttons for multiple similar windows in the panel. It does nothing to save desktop space, unless you minimize whatever windows you aren't looking at. Having tabs that you can switch between is much more convenient in my opinion. The functionality of these two things is really only vaguely similar. A lot of text editors and IDE's support multiple tabs, and apps like Photoshop use MDI child windows to allow multiple documents in one window, so why not browsers too?
Feel free to mod me "-1 - Angry Jerk".
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prob bad qa on their part, but that line is not correct.
CB
free ipod and free gmail!
What the fuck is the point in tabbed browsing? That's something the window manager should be doing, not the application. You could replicate it anyway with gnomepanel or whatever.
You assume that everybody has a window manager that is efficient at doing so. Tabbed browsing seems a bit redundant/overkill on Mac OS X, for example, since one can switch between windows within one application by using cmd-` rather than cmd-tab. Windows can't do that, so tabbed browsing allows much easier access to browser windows.
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Using Netscape 7.1 for Windows (I am at work, ok?) I still can't vote in a poll properly (pop-up appears, but the vote data is loaded in main window, leaving pop-up blank).
Unrequested pop-ups are not being blocked.
I guess this is going into the "Recycle Bin" in the next minute or two...
...for one thing, you can choose to install it without the mail/news or IRC chat client at all, cutting down on the size. Don't use the email, you don't need the Palm sync -- but those who do might appreciate it.
If you get the browser, then you still get Composer with it at minimum. If you want a browser only, then feel free to contribute to the development of Mozilla Firebird, which is even more streamlined than the browser-only install.
Chill out, the Moz developers know that bloat is a common complaint, and they're doing what they can about it. But one thing at a time, since every feature you don't want is one some other user can't live without.
I think you have this backwards - Netscape was derived from Mozilla not the other way around.
If you can read this sig - the bitch fell off.
... I have to say that Netscape/Mozilla has not only shocked me with improvements in reliability and speed, but has in fact pulled me away from IE/Outlook Express which I swore were the greatest Web/EMail tools. I remember back in the days of Netscape 4.X. The darn thing would take forever to load, suck up my computer's resources, and consistantly crash on specific web pages. Being a web-developer made it worse... It was such a pain having to remove nifty DHTML effects from my company's website (or incorperate code to modify HTML output for Netscape) because some people out there were still using it. I think I'm going too in depth on my point here... Compared to what Nescape USED to be, the current Mozilla/Netscape software is incredible. And this is coming from a WINDOWS user. ;) The best thing Nescape ever did was make their browser open srouce (in my opinion). And... The free Bayesian spam filter in the Mozilla mail client has amazed me. I NEVER thought that free technology existed that provided such reliable and accurate spam filtering. I am down from 14 spam messages per day to maybe 1 at most per day. I've only had 2 false positives since I started using it 3 weeks ago.
Alright. I'll stop rambling on this matter. I've just been waiting a while now to outlet my good experiences with Mozilla, especially after hating it so much in the past. *Two thumbs up*
Note that if you are running a nat with squid, you may have caching enabled. I found out that my squid config was caching and causing heck trying to participate in online forums, I couldn't see my own posts because they were caching. Also some ISP's by default pipe port 80 through a proxy.
This is the basics of a 'soft reload'
- Checks each downloaded file (image, html, etc) fors its modified timestamp.
- If the cache is the same as the one on the server, there is no time spent downloading since these files are still the same. (unless the web developers don't know their trade and are placing modified dates in.)
*** The 'soft reload' is an important ability and should stay. I do not want to reload all the images of slashdot every time I want to see new stories, and slashdot does not want the extra load of all of us non-subscribers hitting reload waiting for a story to appear. The 'soft reload' not working is a Web Developer and Administrator problem, not a Netscape problem. If you have this problem a lot, go to more professional web sites.
Get 'em before the rush:
l la 1.4/
ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/releases/mozi
-- You can't idiot-proof anything, because they're always coming out with better idiots.
the eagerly-awaited Netscape 7.1
Before I accept such an outrageous statement I'll need proof. Thank you.
Netscape 7.1 features many improvements over 7.02 including even better CSS support
;)
You Mean that I can watch my DVDs in Netscape 7.1? Better not let the MPAA know about it.
It's so strange. I look at the writeup for the new Netscape release, and when the poster talks about the new features, the links they provide are links to mozilla.org pages. I look at the Netscape main page and I can't even tell that they make a browser. The "Downloads" link is tucked away in the upper-left corner. Even today, when they're releasing a new version, there's no hint of it even on their main page!! Instead the big deal is "10 things everyone should do before turning 30". Whaa?? Then, there's the awful pain of trying to install the Netscape version. The last time I installed a version of the Netscape-branded Mozilla, I had AOL crap littering my system everywhere.
On the other hand, when I go to the Mozilla site everything is clear. It's obvious where to download the version of Mozilla I want for the platform I want. It's also normally 2 or 3 versions ahead of the Netscape-branded release, and the install process is clean and painless.
Given all that, who are the poor sods downloading and installing Netscape?? I guess they have enough knowledge of computers to be able to install an alternative to IE, but not enough to be able to know about Mozilla? Can there really be more than a handfull of these people, and can't they be rescued and re-educated?
Though I use it, I wouldn't reccommend others use Mozilla yet. Why? Because the mechanism for saving your old mail is not yet developed. You have to physically find the file which contains your old mail and transplant it. This is an important capability which is missing.
In the Release notes, Linux users need to be aware of the following:
- Pages with Flash will, in worst cases, crash or hang your browser.
- Netscape will hang if a Flash plugin tries to play audio and the audio device is already in use
- Flash may crash with Exported X Display
- Java is not included with the Linux installer for Netscape 7.1. Download Java version 1.4.2 or later at the Java web site
- You may encounter problems if you install Netscape in a root user environment then run as another user.
- Loading a page that contains a Flash plugin may cause Netscape to lock up if you are using an audio application.
Everyone else need to be aware of the following:
- For security reasons, Netscape does not allow connections to certain ports. To override this on a per-port basis, add a comma separated list of ports to defaults/all.js
- POP email becomes unusable if the profile is stored on a network drive.
- Stll no NTFS Support
- Netscape does not warn the user of a low disk space condition.
- Netscape may temporarily hang during LDAP autocomplete if network connectivity is broken.
- Do not share a profile between Netscape and Mozilla browsers. Doing this can lead to unpredictable results, which may include loss of Search settings and preferences and unchecked growth of the Bookmarks file (large enough to freeze your system).
- When visiting a SSL enabled site, the lock icon will take on a yellow background, and will not indicate the strength of the SSL encryption used, whether it is 40 bit, 56 bit, or 128 bit.
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Netscape does matter because the Mozilla is officially not an end-user browser. Sure, there are lots of us who use Mozilla just fine and are happy, but for newbies, installing/working-with/dealing-with mozilla is a task over their heads. While many of us know where to get answers for Mozilla issues, newbies want to be able to go to www.mywebbrowsername.com and click on a big HELP button.
Understandably, the mozilla team wishes to focus on making a browser technology, not supporting newbies. They're leaving that to others who wish to build a browser based upon Mozilla and then provide end-user resources. Amongst these, Netscape is the biggest with wide name-recognition and lots of resources (relatively). So yes, the Netscape browser DOES matter.
Even Firebird isn't meant for end-users, although it's far more easily digestible by your typical end-user than the current Mozilla browser.
Good grief, did you just admit to using Windows? On Slashdot? Are you INSANE?
I browse Slashdot at +3, Funny
Here's a suggestion: if Reload has been clicked in the last second, and is clicked again, then perform a full reload instead of the default partial.
This is similar to the graduated selection gestures on Macintoshes and some terminal applications (click more often to select character, word, line, or paragraph).
I'm surprised more interface elements don't support graduated power, where a single click gives a happy-and-useful partial solution, a double-click does the same but is more inclusive in an obvious way. In this case, it's even more natural than the aforementioned text-selection: "dammit, refresh more!"
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Netscape has had pop up blocking since 7.02. AOL is also trumpeting pop-up blocking software with its service now.
Please try to make informed statements.
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Kiosk mode and full-screen mode are two different things.
Full-screen mode is for full-screen operation.
Kiosk mode is full-screen plus lots of lockdown options. Search bugzilla for more information on the kiosk mode development. It's in development.
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Given enough personal experience, all stereotypes are shallow.
View->Show/Hide->Navigation Toolbar, voila, no more address bar. Google also has tons of projects, tips&trick and howtos on tailoring Mozilla especially for a kiosk environment.
1.4 final is indeed the same as 1.4 RC3 -- the only change is a name change. Source: moz developer IRC channel.
One simple rule for its versus it's
I am downloading mozilla-win32-1.4-installer.exe from the BitTorrent link posted here but for paranoia's sake I would like to check it against the official Mozilla release. Does the Mozilla project post MD5 checksums for its releases anywhere? I didn't see them in the download directory.
Only a few companies still use Netscape. I frankly don't even know why AOL/Netscape even bothers anymore. I mean it's not like they are trying to gain marketshare from IE. If they were don't you think they would do more than put up a link on Netscape.com and rely on other websites to link to it for PR?
Netscape died a long time ago but luckily was reborn with Mozilla. Netscape may not give a crap about spending dollar one on PR for Netscape, but conversly it just shows how good Mozilla is that it continues to get good press.
I really wish Netscape would just stop offering Netscape browser for download. Its an insult to the Mozilla browser that they continue to do zero PR effort on the Netscape browser while spending hundreds of millions on AOL advertising.
If you wanna get rich, you know that payback is a bitch
And the tab titles in the screenshot?
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Slashdot
Goatse (the "eh" title)
no wonder you post anonymously, whats more scary is that i noticed it
According to the roadmap, after releasing a stable version on which other browsers can be based, they're moving away from Seamonkey (the suite) to an architecture like that of Mozilla Firebird and Thunderbird.
I've read Grocklaw. BoycottNovell, you're no Grocklaw
I hate this. I am a relatively smart person, above average for sure, and I live within computers all day, yet these densely packed programs manage to confuse me. Does it have to support Palm synchronization or do we really need to combine the web browser and the mail client? If they feel that they are good at these areas as well, they can produce a separate product(s) which can communicate with each other, but can also work independently.
Adding more properties is not the challenge, adding them transparent to the user is the challenge. I want to see neither millions of buttons in toolbar nor millions of options when i press the 2nd mouse button on the canvas. Ex. can someone tell me why do I need to press the 2nd mouse button and choose the "back/forward" in the pop-up menu, which may appear in different locations w.r.t. the pointer depending on the pointer position, instead of just clicking the "back/forward" icon in the toolbar?
Well I am sure that someone will find an absurd reason for this, thus let me respond it beforehand: Then, I need the "Sort the lines shown on this page w.r.t. the second word on each line" item in the same pop-up window. I need this once in every about 3 months. I can hear another reply. Here is my answer: Be realistic. Most of the users do not disable the toolbar. Thus, instead of making it complex to keep the minority happy, it can be programed as a dynamic menu depending on the toolbar status. (Well, I must admit, I didn't install Netscape 7.1 yet, but this is the defacto behavior for almost all browsers I saw -- Himm... I'm not sure about Safari I should check this next time I use it.) If Netscape 7.1 addresses these kind of issues, can someone point this out for me?
The bottom line is that we need simple looking but powerful software, not a messy software with kitchen-sink included.
Yeah, Netscape is good. I haven't read all the comments here, but there are (as always) comments like ''Why not use Mozilla instead?''
... umm... sorry, I forgot the adress. I tell you tomorrow.'' It's more coplicated. Also: what happens, if the person does not provide the installer any more? Who guaranties me and my friends that the webpage is still up in a month or two.
I tell you why:
Netscape has more features and is easier for people without good computer knowledge.
I prefer Mozilla Firebird, but the plain MF is not for normal users.
They have to ''unzip'' it, they have to copy Flash and other plugins into the plugins directory, they have to install Java manually and so on.
OTOH Netscape:
It comes with good, licensed spell checking (sorry, but OSS spell checkers suck - at least non-english ones), there's AIM and ICQ support, all important plugins are bundled, and Netscape adds important settings to the Windows registry (the location where it's installed for 3rd party plugins - a small, but important setting).
Currently I create installer builds of Mozilla Firebird (bundled with Flash and Java) for my friends, but that's only an acceptable solution for a handful of people.
It's easier to point to a simple URL than giving a CD with my custom MF to everyone.
Yes I know, there are also installer builds of Mozilla Firebird available on the net, but that's sometimes even too complicated for a few of my friends.
When I say ''Get Netscape. It's on Netscape dot com.'' It's easy.
When I say ''Get Mozilla Firebird. It's on geocities dot com slash blablabla slash
AOL is behind Netscape. I can be sure that Netscape will last a while. Netscape is easy to find, easy to install, and easy to use. That's why Netscape is good.
1.4 == 1.4RC3, it's just a name change. Keep RC3, it's the same build.
Though if your bank is bitching about needing a specific version of netscape, why not call them up, and ask them what's up, or file an evangelism bug on mozilla's bugzilla site? Lack of support for Mozilla-derived browsers is just plain stupid, as more and more people are dumping NS 4.x as the later versions of NS get better and better, or they discover other browsers, such as Mozilla.
Marxism is the opiate of dumbasses
This surprised me... Last week, I've converted two of my not-so-savvy neighbors up the block to Mozilla. They never want to use IE again.
Popup blocking was their #1 concern. They were amazed how mozilla handled this. "Why doesn't IE do this?".. Ugh
Once I showed them tabbed browsing, they were in love.
Couple things, tho, that could help:
1) First guy I installed Phoenix for, upgraded to Mozilla 1.4rc3 because of the friendly reminder he was running an old build. Umm.. Don't tell my non-savvy neighbors they need to switch product lines when their home page comes up.
2) Would be nice if there was a bundle build you could grab with flash, java, etc - installed. Or at least something that goes and looks for the java plugin on your system and registers with that, instead of having to reinstall the java plugin to set the hooks that way.. (Is this possible?)
The tide is turning, tho..
I disagree. The next few "stable" versions of mozilla are going to be somewhat broken as they migrate to [thunder,fire]bird and rewrite a good amount of the underlying code to make it even faster and better. Additionally, 1.4 is going to be a long-lived branch, thus bug/security fixes are going to be backported to it, much like they're backported to Mozilla 1.0.x. This leads to assurances that 7.1.x are going to be as stable as possible, and free from security problems. Not every stable version of Mozilla is supported; unless the mozilla team says otherwise, the best way to think of releases is as gamma-level software. Pretty close to bug-free, but at the same time, not as bulletproof as a supported release.
Marxism is the opiate of dumbasses
http://slashdot.org/topics.shtml?fuglybot=12
Doesn't lend itself to default documents well.
Problem with the browser war is as an employee or a student there is a good chance you will *need* Internet Explorer, but what's the chance of needing Netscape?
The business I work for tends to do a lot of work online, things like banking and payroll. We use the ADP web entry system (buggy) that is not compatible with Mozilla (haven't tried Netscape) we also have a international booking system which is not compatible with Netscape/Mozilla. A few key features like this is more then enough to turn the average use off of anything but the tool that works. I can't think a single example where it was necessary to use Mozilla instead of IE.
I know none of this is really about Netscape or Mozilla, but Microsoft has their market pretty locked down with proprietary extensions and incompatibilities.
Mozilla will win some users with features like pop-up blocking and on-the-fly html editing. But we need a real zinger to actually pull people away from a built=in browser that works on a larger part of the sites people visit.
I've converted my work place over to Mozilla, but at least once a month someone comes to me complaining that they can't get a page to load and I have to tell them to use Internet Explorer (anyone who uses a site requiring activex more often already knows).
Quack, quack.
It's more complicated than that. First Mozilla was a branch of Netscape Communicator; then they decided to re-write the browser from scratch using the XPFE framework; then Netscape used the Mozilla code to make Netscape 6 and following versions.
I didn't even know it existed. The only people who use Netscape are people who are out of touch with reality and they probably are still using Netscape Gold. Ahhh, Netscape Gold.
Smeghead every day of the week.
Okay, I confess that I'm a lamer. Not only do I run Windows, but I still run Win 98SE. But I decided to download Mozilla 1.4 today, making one feeble gesture toward geekhood. But you may remember that 98 still has the old system resources constraint, and Mozilla is an absolute pig for the resources. Makes it hard to run it along with any other programs. But it does seem to be pretty good about giving up the resources once it is closed.
This post is dedicated to all of those