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Kazaa CEO vs. Hilary Rosen
Carpoolio writes "TechTV is continuing its good coverage of the RIAA attack on file swappers, and now they've gone to Australia to interview Nikki Hemming, CEO of Sharman Networks (Kazaa). It's supposedly one of the only TV interviews she's ever done, and Hemming has some interesting things to say about Hilary Rosen and the RIAA, and the future of Kazaa, but without revealing too much. In TechTV's story (part of a three-part series), they've pitted the two against each other, using a recent interview they did with Rosen. Streaming video of the Rosen interview is included on the site."
which one is Gozilla and which one is Mothra?
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Sounds like an, uhm, interesting mud wrestling match. I would seriously pay for front row seats to that.
In the, erm, brown corner we have Hilary Rosen; devourer of civil liberties, champion of everyone's IP rights (for varying values of 'everyone',) and destroyer of the fell beast Napster.
In the, uhm, OTHER brown corner, we have Nikki Hemming; fearless leader of Sharman Networks, profiteers behind such wonderful, life enhancing software as 'KaZaA Media Desktop;' single-handedly responsible for installing the Brilliant Digital plugin onto millions of desktops.
Like I said. Front row seats. Winner gets a latex fist, ten pounds of diff grease and a brass replica of the Scales of Justice.
You're doing it wrong.
Once again, the RIAA is going to make life hard for theirselves down the line as they continue to sue their own customer base. Not a good business pratice, never will be.
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Yeah, but that's what you get when you buy a CD too, a much too loud abomination of what the artist recorded.
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html
Do we support Hilary 'CD Crippler' Rosen or Nikki 'Spyware Installer' Hemming?
Slashdotter are stupid and biased.
I was hoping they would mention if pirated versions of NHL 2004 were going to be available soon. I bet Nikki gets all the stuff first. -- I guess i'll give up file-sharing and go back to stabbing hookers.
But then I realize that part of the 15 bucks I would have given to best buy or whatever is going to fund a lawsuit against the parents of some 13 year old girl who downloaded the latest n*stink song, listened to it twice, and forgot about it (nevermind the fact that the song COULD have been copied from the GOD DAMN RADIO)...
So I am left with hunting on KaZaA for a song that may or may not be the real (or whole) song, and might very well crap out halfway through the download...
RIAA, sod off... some of us want your music, and WOULD pay 13-15 bucks for a CD, but not if you're going to rape us...
This is my sig. Its pathetic.
Why is it you think this should be illegal to distribute? It would probably be safest to keep this material out of the hands of minors, but what gives you the right to tell someone else what they can and cannot see? In my opinion the government should spend less time monitoring and governing lifestyle issues (drugs, alcohol, porn, hookers, gambleing, etc.) and spend more time on issues like health care, education, and campaign finance reform.
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Sorry, but where I come from, that's mere hypothesis... Rosen probably would agree, but she actually hasn't...
Also, KaZaA (or whatever silliness they do with their capital letters) is known to be one of the most prolific distributors of spyware on the internet, so do we support them, or the technophobic legalistic RIAA?
Oh well, each to their own. Use freenet! (They kennae catch you that way
Rosen claims KaZaA is ruining, not expanding, the recording industry by allowing inferior copies of music to be downloaded with its software. "If you're using KaAaA today, you're getting, in my view, a crappy quality song -- not what the artist did in the studio, not what they wanted you to hear, not their finest work," she said.
I thought the problem the RIAA had with digital copying was that copies were near-perfect and did not degrade over generations? There Hilary is telling us that digital copies are not good copies.
The RIAA, two faced? Never! If digital copies suck so much, I want my LP's back, too!
I agree with you 100%. If anything, the government needs to step in and police people who think that its someone else's job to raise their kids, teach their kids values, teach their kids manners, and keep their kids from growing up to be thugs.
Personally, I think people with the mentality that we need more government to 'protect' us need to be sterilized - to ensure that they can't pollute the genepool with their complacant beliefs and attitudes.
Cruising the internet on my TI-99/4A @ a whopping 300 baud!
Yes, that was sarcasm!
Slashdotter are stupid and biased.
What the fuck does one of the only mean? It makes it sound like there were multiple interviews, but at the same time only one. Which one is it?
I love how TechTV is portraying Kazaa as the noble progressive, leading us all into the GLORIOUS FUTURE OF FILE-SHARING, while Rosen and Co. are stodgy, grumpy old dinosaurs seeking to deprive humanity of life-saving technology.
I know all of the "blah blah outdated business model blah blah" arguments, and even agree with some of them, but TechTV didn't lend itself much credibility (IMHO) with their one-sided opening remarks.
I am now grabbing my ankles, waiting for moderators to get ahold of this.
"Ask not what your country can do for you." --John F. Kennedy
Second, Kazaa is a distribution network, not the material itself. It's not Kazaa's fault that certain people share files like that. Shutting down Kazaa won't fix that problem, just as removing roads isn't the fix for getting rid of smugglers.
How is the RIAA finding out who's sharing what on Kazaa? Are they using Kazaa to do it? And if they are, by simply using the Kazaa software are they killing their own case?
The thing that we all need to realize, like Napster and Morpheus, Kazaa is essentially dead now. Let it go. Nobody wants to share on it now for fear of being caught. So the real question is where's the next filesharing service? The one that we can all use for another year or two until legal action is taken against it and we move on to the next one?
Note that Hilary spells her name with one "l". This is the case with the vast majority of Hil(l)arys, at least in the United States. But the former first lady, a notable exception, has caused all these poor Hilarys (Hilaries?) to spend the rest of their lives having their names misspelled. Hilary Rosen deserves such an awful fate, but for the sake of the others, I ask you to mind your "l"s.
Won't somebody please think of the Hilarys?
The preceding was paid for by the Coalition for Hilary Awareness.
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I had forgotten to fire up my copy of Kazaa this morning!
Kazaa shut be shut down. There is some really nasty videos there that affect the mental health of young people.
Use search keywords 'faces of death' and you see what I mean. There are some videos where someone shoots a woman in head and that kind of shit that should be banned and illegal to distribute.
I suspect you are trolling, but I will bite...
The presence of those videos, like the copyrighted material, is the responsibility of the users of Kazaa not the makers of Kazaa. Also, if you are worried about the mental health of young people, maybe you should not let young people you care about use Kazaa, if you are conserned about other peoples children, tell them not to let their children use Kazaa. The fact is that the internet (and TV if you ask the right people) are full of material that someone will find objectionable, If you don't like the material, don't seek it out, nobody is forcing you to. Perhaps we should ban angry music and the movie Bambi because they can be damaging to the mental health of young people as well...ell...
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To further chomp down...I recently visited my favorite used CD/DVD store and what did I find on the rack? "Faces of Death 4" in all its DVD splendor. I've seen this series in video rental stores for at least ten years. While it's a vile concept, IMHO (and something I've never wanted to see), it's not a new, Internet-only attack on America's youth. While such material perhaps should be banned, the fact is that, today, it is available via brick and mortar. Don't attack the medium for the message.
"I don't think you do stop technology," Rosen said. "I don't think we'd want to stop technology."
Indeed, the RIAA would rather load up CDs with copy-protection technologies instead. I've had to turn down three recent CDs that I was interested in, since I know they won't play on most of my computers or linux-based portables. A shame, since I would have shelled out the $18CAN for them too.
I didn't know you could videotape the devil. I thought it would be like with vampires and mirrors, not being able to see themselves, or something. :\
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Please tell me this - do you want YOUR children see a video where someone gets shot in the head?
No, I wouldn't want my kids to see this. But you know what? Technology isn't the enemy. Nor is it anyone's responsibility to police my kids, nor is it anyone else's responsibility to raise my kids. Its my responsibility to shield my sons from seeing objectionable programming, teach them values, respect and morals.
My two year old is more polite than the other children in our neighborhood. He says thank you, please, may I have (insert item here), etc. You know why? Because my wife and I take the time to teach him. He's not shacked up in some daycare with minimum wage trolls who don't interact with him - he's at home, with my wife and she's teaching him how to be a respectful child... At least until he enters the public education system with children raised by lazy parents like you.
If you feel that society as a whole should be responsible for raising your children, then I feel sorry not only for your kids but society as a whole.
Parents are a lot less involved with their kids now than they were when I was growing up. As a result, children are a lot less respectful of adults and others in general. Its your kind of parenting and beliefs that governemnt needs to do your childrearing for you that leads to the degradation of society.
Cruising the internet on my TI-99/4A @ a whopping 300 baud!
See...I take my gun and I put it -- point blank -- to the forehead of my latest musician victim. Then I say, "write me a song, now!" with a menacing little "...or else..." sometimes thrown in for good measure.
I gotta say, I love stealing music. But Ms. Rosen is right, the quality is dubious...you'd be surprised how bad a lot of musicians are at freestyle and adlib.
Maybe I need to stick with Jazz musicians.
I'm not trolling, I'm dead serious. I can assure you that when you have some kids of your own you'll understand me.
Your options are
1) don't have children
2) don't let your kids use the computer
3) don't let them use kazaa
4) use kazaa's filter option
5) educate your kids about approriate and inappropriate material (e.g. faces of death in the videostore, jack ass on mtv, top-shelf magazines, and on the internet) and behavior (e.g. copyright infringement). Foster an open atmosphere so your kids tell you when they run across anything that bothers them, rather than sneak around behind your back, or lie awake at night worrying about what they saw and what your reaction to hearing about it might be.
Summary of your options;
1) don't parent
2) don't parent
3) don't parent
4) don't parent
5) parent like a responsible adult.
Would you suggest banning the catholic faith because some of their clergy abused children? Or is it perhaps better to make sure that if your child is uncomfortable with any interaction with the world out there which it can't deal with, they will ask your guidance and help?
No shit, parenting is hard. Practice on pets. They don't use kazaa. If you're not ready for the fact that kids grow up and get to see the world, whether you like it or not, then wear a rubber.
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Exact Audio Copy. How rude is it to put out music on something that cannot be copied for personal use? Personal copies eg cassette tape, minidisk, MP3, for car CD player, are legal in Australia. As for the spyware. I've yet to install Kazaa. My favourite version of the file sharing networks is sneakernet. Slow but effective.
-- it must be true, it's on the internet.
I still believe that file sharing is a scapegoat for the real reason in dropping cd sales. Baby boomers have finished replacing their vinyl. Nuff said.
Sure I believe file swapping is stealing. But if it never existed sales figures would be the same as they are now. Basically the internet has created a victimless crime. In my model of the world anyway.
I ask the question. How many people anywhere can afford to buy 500 cd's in a couple of months. The RIAA acctually thinks that people have made the disicion to not spend 10 000 dollars on them every three months? And to get it for free/steal it instead?
Pass interferance is waved off if the ball is ruled uncatchable.
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In case the site gets slashdotted, I put a copy of the video up on Kazaa.
I'm surprised that no one has set up a company to anonymize P2P... I know there are companies that anonymize web surfing in general, but it seems like someone could write an app that would anonymize all TCP/IP traffic going out from your computer.
IANAL, but I would imagine that it would be best if it was written by a company NOT involved in the P2P industry. That way, the company is simply offering generic anonymous internet and can't be slapped with charges like Napster of being designed solely for the intent of transferring copywrited material.
If the company is continuously shuffling IP addresses among its various members, and not keeping records that can be subpoenaed in court, then the RIAA is once again unable to attack individuals.
The only downside would be the huge volume of traffic going through the anonymizing site, making it a fairly expensive service that casual P2P users would probably never subscribe to.
OK, we all hate and loathe the RIAA and MPAA and we will bring them down. I think it's time to start planning for a post-RIAA world order.
First, and most fun, should come the war-crimes tribunal. Hilary Rosen, Jack Valenti, Congressmen Berman, Tauzin, Hatch, and Hollings, and all the top execs at the content companies should be put in stockades in public squares around the country so that music fans and citizens can throw CDs, cassettes, and excrement at them (sorry, triply redundant, that.). Then we put them in strait jackets, put them in rubber rooms, and force them to listen to N'Sync, Backstreet Boys, Britney Spears, Michael Jackson, and all of their terrible music until their ears bleed and they're reduced to piles of gibbering insanity. Then we'll give them a life sentence in a nice asylum where they can finger paint and watch Barney with expressions of childlike wonder.
Then we designate a national holiday to mark our liberation, to be celebrated by amateur musicians, thespians, and artists performing free in public plazas and parks across the land. We'll show movies outdoors against the sides of buildings, like in the old days, and have carnival booths where you can pay a nickel to take a whack at Lars and the Metallica boys. Ahhh, can you see it?
Do what you can, with what you have, where you are.
I do actually pay for music on the internet, but I'm frustrated by the fragmentation of the content. For example, I pay $9.95 a month for Rhapsody, but there are huge holes in their content. The apple music store has some things Rhapsody does not have, but neither of them has everything I'm interested in. Meanwhile, I can walk over to my local record store and they have CDs from just about every label. What I don't understand is that record companies complain and whine about how the internet is killing their business, but then when someone like me is willing to pay, these same record companies don't provide everything over the internet. The most frustrating experience I have, is that I listen to an album for a few weeks on Rhapsody and then mysteriously it disappears. Even worse, is that individual songs on an album come and go. I email Rhapsody and they say the record company decided to not make it available anymore. What kind of crap is that? Why are radio stations able to play whatever CD they want, but a pay internet site has to go negotiate for every song on every CD? The problem is that the record companies don't want to change. They are just hoping the internet will go away and they can continue doing business the way they always have. It's very frustrating. The internet is a great way to download and sample music, but the companies who control it do not make it easy.
When every song on an album is worth listening to, I buy it, otherwise I use IRC to get the one good song. I don't feel bad about it, because instead of them ripping me off, I rip them off.
"In the end, consumers and artists are brought together by this amazing technology, and they have a level of interactivity they've never had before," she said. "And the music industry is going to benefit, and the movie industry is gonna benefit, and emerging artists, and independent artists, and people who just want to share their views. They're all going to benefit. This technology is here to stay."
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There you have it - the entire reason the RIAA is doing what it is doing - all summed up in one neat, tiny paragraph. Everyone will benefit from this...except the RIAA. This added level of interactivity will render the RIAA completely, utterly useless to all the record labels and put them out of business. plain and simple.
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I thought Celebrity Boxing was on FOX.
Sounds like a good match, tho.
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Cd's are 44,000 16bit samples a second giving 65,536 possible values (0-65,535). As sound is half positive and half negative the range is split in half. Increasing volume involves adding a positive number to the positive half and a negative number to the negative half. Peak limiting destroys information by cutting it off a the limit of the possible range (resulting in it being discarded). More samples are either 0 or 65,535. One positive side effect is that the MP3 rip will soud more like to origional (less info=less info discarded).
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Check the correct option. :) It is often argued by file-sharing advocates that P2P apps, such as KaZaA have a lot of non-infringing uses. Their opponents respond by claiming that despite that 90%+ of the traffic on KaZaA is illegal. But that certainly depends on the point of view.
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Most people here on Slashdot subconsciously assume that US laws define the picture, but that is not true. Copyright laws in different countries are different (that is probably one of the reasons for KaZaA's complex legal structure). You've heard about DeCSS case in Norway, you've heard about Denmark P2P users getting bills for downloaded files, but have you heard about the place where half of the Hollywood movies in in the public domain?
Here is the breaking news. The Ministry of Culture of Russian Federation has published a long list of movies that are now in the public domain (automated translation of the list> by Translate.Ru). Titles include Bambi, Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, Godfather, 2001: A Space Odyssey, Casablanca, Citizen Kane, Lawrence of Arabia, Monty Python and hundreds of other brilliant films.
This is not the first time when opposition to copyright comes from Russia and probably not the last. Now that these movies officially belong to the public (in Russia), what implications, do you think, this has for the rest of the world and for file-sharing?
And hosting in Russia would probably cost just a few cents per movie uploaded abroad... And the best thing is that would really be 100% legal.
P.S. You may think this is too good to be true, but believe me, it is true. It seems that most movies more than 30 years old really are in public domain now (called obschestvennoe dostoyanie in Russian.
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Kazaa has been downloaded 240 million times. Lets assume that represents nearly half of all P2P downloads - call it 500 million. Lets conservatively each one results in an average of 20 infringing downloads. That equals 10 billion infringments. Statutory damages of $150,000 each means they can sue for $1500 trillion in damages.
Gross world product was about $45.9 trillion in 2001. The 30 year rate of growth was about 3.35% per year. It is then straight forward to calculate that the gross world product for the entire history of world up until today is approximately $1498 trillion.
The RIAA could sue for ownership of the entire planet PLUS an extra $2 trillion to boot.
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