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Cyrillic Projector Code Finally Cracked

SimuAndy writes "An international group of cryptographers, the Kryptos Group, announced this week that the decade-old Cyrillic Projector Code has been cracked, and that it deciphers to some classified KGB instructions and correspondence. The Cyrillic Projector is an encrypted sculpture at the University of North Carolina in Charlotte, that was created by Washington DC artist James Sanborn in the early 1990s. It was inspired by the encrypted Kryptos sculpture that Sanborn created two years earlier for CIA Headquarters. The message on the Cyrillic Projector has turned out to be in two parts. The decrypted first part is a Russian text encouraging secret agents to psychologically control potential sources of information. The second part appears to be a partial quote from classified KGB correspondence about the Soviet dissident Sakharov, with concerns that his report to the Pugwash conference was being used by the Americans for an anti-Soviet agenda."

165 comments

  1. Would there not... by Sir+Haxalot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    have been ex-KGB agents that could have told them the code anyway?

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    1. Re:Would there not... by Trigun · · Score: 1

      But where's the fun in that?

      Oh yeah, I forgot. Torture!

  2. Silicon by satyap · · Score: 1

    A cryptographic statue? Whatever next! Cryptographic silicon?

    1. Re:Silicon by Frymaster · · Score: 1
      Whatever next! Cryptographic silicon?

      no! cryptographic music!

    2. Re:Silicon by focitrixilous+P · · Score: 2, Informative

      You forgot the number one rule of slashdot linking.
      You don't link to geocities.
      EVER
      The link is dead upon posting. Always. Post a google cache if you must.

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  3. a little offtopic but here's a related article by CowBovNeal · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    about the KGB. An eyeopener. It's a non-subscriber link.

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    1. Re:a little offtopic but here's a related article by mph · · Score: 1
      It's a non-subscriber link.
      Odd that it says THE PAGE YOU REQUESTED IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO SUBSCRIBERS when I click on it, then. (I suspect this is why it was modded down. I have points and was going to bring it back up if it was relevant, but I can't read it.)
    2. Re:a little offtopic but here's a related article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hmm.. the link's correct now. check.

    3. Re:a little offtopic but here's a related article by mph · · Score: 1
      I checked it again. It still says it's only available to subscribers.

      I checked it using Mozilla on my Sun, and w3m on my FreeBSD machine. Same result both places.

  4. the sad truth by madcoder47 · · Score: 5, Funny

    In other news, the KGB has filed a lawsuit against the Kryptos Group under the DMCA, claiming that their IP has now been stolen.

    The sad part of this is that in today's world somrthing similar could happen.

    1. Re:the sad truth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      In other news, the Isreali Mossad has filed suit against the CIA for alleged copyright infrigement....

    2. Re:the sad truth by gritz · · Score: 1, Funny

      too funny. maybe this group can help me understand what's being said over the speakers at the local wal-mart

    3. Re:the sad truth by Tackhead · · Score: 5, Funny
      > In other news, the KGB has filed a lawsuit against the Kryptos Group under the DMCA, claiming that their IP has now been stolen.

      In Soviet Russia, KGB doesn't enforce the DMCA!

    4. Re:the sad truth by b!arg · · Score: 1

      Of course not...because the DMCA enforces YOU!

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  5. Kryptos by grub · · Score: 3, Funny


    It sounds like a crypto module in KDE.

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  6. Bring back the USSR! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    The USA is going crazy without their old enemy/friend!

  7. I broke cyrillic text by masouds · · Score: 2, Funny

    and All I got was this lousy T-Shirt!

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  8. In other news by Brahmastra · · Score: 4, Funny

    Cyrillic code crackers have been arrested by the FBI under the DMCA.

    1. Re:In other news by smclean · · Score: 1

      Someone -1 troll'd the parent?

      That was hilarious! I think people moderate without reading or something.

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    2. Re:In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Cyrillic code crackers have been arrested by the FBI under the DMCA.
      Wouldn't they want to congradulate them?
    3. Re:In other news by ikkonoishi · · Score: 0

      And now the guy is stuck with negative karma because +1 funny doesn't count, and if my observations are correct negative karma is worth double. Count to 3 before modding guys. Make sure that the people deserve it.

    4. Re:In other news by Bull999999 · · Score: 1

      I don't think that the slashdotters will learn to count to three until they learn to RTFA, which will be never.

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  9. Is it still legal? by kutuz_off · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Did they manage not to violate any of the new laws in the process?

  10. From the article by Faust7 · · Score: 5, Funny

    the decade-old Cyrillic Projector Code has been cracked, and that it deciphers to some classified KGB instructions and correspondence.

    Thank goodness for that decade-old KGB info. The Cold War will be ours!

    1. Re:From the article by anzha · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, potentially this could be a boon to historians depending on how much information was encrypted as such. If the NSA had gobs of it or the KGB's successor organization did and released the encrypted messages, but possibly lost the keys...etc.

      Just a thought...

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  11. Actual translation by mental_telepathy · · Score: 5, Funny
    The decrypted first part is a Russian text encouraging secret agents to psychologically control potential sources of information.

    The actual translation is:
    Keep information away from Moose and Squirrel.

  12. Why is the above link offtopic? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is relevant to the topic in discussion.

  13. All that time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    But, if anybody really wanted to know what it was, all they had to do was put a gun to the artists head. Some people just like doing it the hardway I guess.

  14. informative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why was the parent modded down? It is related to the topic in question.

  15. This just in, ROT-13 deciphered! by stratjakt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How difficult is this puzzle? "Not very," Sanborn says. Not nearly as difficult
    as his first encoded sculpture -- a work called "Kryptos" that he created for CIA
    headquarters in Langley, Va., in 1987. That code, created with the help of a
    cryptographer, is so hard to break that the CIA "will never figure it out," he says.


    So why is this news for anyone not on the UNC campus?

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    1. Re:This just in, ROT-13 deciphered! by essdodson · · Score: 1

      It might perhaps be related to the sculpture at the CIA location. Perhaps others must be solved in order to solve the CIA puzzle.

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    2. Re:This just in, ROT-13 deciphered! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    3. Re:This just in, ROT-13 deciphered! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yes, the article you linked to points out he hasn't solved it either.
      He just got as far as everyone else.

    4. Re:This just in, ROT-13 deciphered! by NearlyHeadless · · Score: 5, Interesting
      How difficult is this puzzle? "Not very," Sanborn says. Not nearly as difficult as his first encoded sculpture -- a work called "Kryptos" that he created for CIA headquarters in Langley, Va., in 1987. That code, created with the help of a cryptographer, is so hard to break that the CIA "will never figure it out," he says.
      So why is this news for anyone not on the UNC campus?
      The person who actually decrypted this (Frank Corr) doesn't really think it's that big of a deal. It did fall to fairly standard cryptanalysis. We tried to get my 80 year-old mother to help translate it. But, given her failing eyesight, the fact that all the words are run together, and that her Russian is a little rusty, we gave up on that.

      He finally put up his untranslated solution on the web last week, but didn't announce it to anyone. Elonka noticed it in her referral logs and decided to make a big announcement of it.

      Besides not thinking it's such a big deal, Frank is also worried that the FBI keeps a file on anybody interested in cryptography!

    5. Re:This just in, ROT-13 deciphered! by nucal · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In fact, half the answer was posted on the wall, right next to that big blob of gum.

    6. Re:This just in, ROT-13 deciphered! by leob · · Score: 1

      Incidentally, there is a book "Etudes for programmers" (C) 1978 Charles Wetherell that contains a chapter on decrypting Vigenere encryption, including a cryptotext as an exercise.

      It was published in Russia in 1983 or 1984 and provided amusement and inspiration to many a young programmer. The translators had to decrypt the original English text (discovering that the algorithm proposed by Wetherell was faulty), and to re-encrypt its Russian translation.

      Many moons ago I wrote a program to decrypt that text, including the search for the key; here the key - MEDUSA - was provided). Unfortunately, the source had been lost, but I remember that it took about 3 minutes for a 9 MHz computer to solve it.
      No big deal, in other words.

  16. Part 5 of the code is even harder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I hvae a wnodreulfly tirvial slooiutn but trhee is not enugoh room in the mgrain of tihs book to dsecbire it.

    1. Re:Part 5 of the code is even harder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *doesn't get it*

    2. Re:Part 5 of the code is even harder by Mesaeus · · Score: 1

      Fermat

    3. Re:Part 5 of the code is even harder by aWalrus · · Score: 1

      combined with the recently popular "ordered first and last letters are all you need" writing form.

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  17. jeez.. mods find the truth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what did the parent do wrong by posting that link?

  18. At last! by redNuht · · Score: 2, Funny

    Now the Cold War will finally be over!

    Ah, wait, you mean this Iraq operation is not an extension of the Cold War? Why is it going on, then? Why are they cracking the KGB code? :D

  19. Congrats by wilpig · · Score: 1

    Congrats to Elonka and crew on decoding it. We all hope you figure out that last section of Kryptos!

  20. Congrats. by airrage · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have not heard of the sculpture or the problem before, however, the article talks of using pictures -- piecing them together -- is it unavailable to the viewing public (close up)?

    Or was it a logistic problem of distance?

    I also assume that the "meaning" of the text is that somehow, while breaking the code, you are the creator's source? There is the physical piece and then the art is the effort in breaking the problem. Does this mean the piece is less transfixing since we know what it says?

    Hmmmmmmmmmmm.

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    1. Re:Congrats. by DarkOx · · Score: 2, Informative

      I went to school there for a semester you can walk right up and touch it. Actually they shine light through it at night which is the "Projector" effect and it casts the characters on the surrounding class room buildings.

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    2. Re:Congrats. by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      Oh for the sake of those who might be at UNCC and not know what this is about it right outside of the Fretwell building.

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    3. Re:Congrats. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It sounds like English; it even looks like English, but I can't understand a word you're blabbering. Rumor has it that you are almost incomprehensible in person (as revealed by your desperate urge to babble nonsensically on message boards.) No doubt, this rumor is true.

      If your brain matter was axle grease, there wouldn't be enough in your head to grease the dynamo on a lightening bug's ass. You are obviously suffering from Clue Deficit Disorder. Have you ever noticed that whenever you sit behind a keyboard, some idiot starts typing? I am reminded of something relevant that Benjamin Disraeli said: "He was distinguished for ignorance - for he had only one idea and that was wrong."

      You are a bore, and a very dull one at that. I bet you thought it was just coincidence that your parents had the same surnames before they married? Maybe you wouldn't read like such a pathetic loser if you weren't so dense that light bends around you; if your weren't so fat that your clothes come in three sizes: Extra Large, Jumbo, and Oh-My-God-It's-Coming-Towards-Us!, or if you didn't have a face so ugly that your Psychiatrist makes you lie face down. No, come to think of it, you would.

      You're a message board freak. I know it's hard to accept the truth, but the truth it is, and accept it, you must.

  21. I guess I'm the first to say it... by silicon+not+in+the+v · · Score: 0

    In Soviet Russia, the code cracks you!

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    1. Re:I guess I'm the first to say it... by Natty+P · · Score: 1

      In Soviet Russia, your crack codes?

  22. why is it modded down? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please mod parent up.

  23. Mirror to solution. by chendo · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here is the 'mirrored' solution.

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    1. Re:Mirror to solution. by AnimeFreak · · Score: 1

      Karma whore.

  24. modern art by Doesn't_Comment_Code · · Score: 5, Funny

    I've seen this cryptographic art all over in the modern art museums. There're paintings, statues, you name it. You can look at them for hours and still not know what the hell they are.

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    1. Re:modern art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What pack of morons modded this pitiful attempt at humor interesting?

  25. Cyrillic Projector Code... by ScuzzyTerminator · · Score: 5, Funny

    Isn't that what SCO uses for it's code presentations?

    1. Re:Cyrillic Projector Code... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't that what SCO uses for it's code presentations?

      No. They actually use GREEK Projector Code.

    2. Re:Cyrillic Projector Code... by SarekOfVulcan · · Score: 1

      Damn, you stole my joke. :-)

  26. Clarification: not a DMCA problem by RobertB-DC · · Score: 1, Informative

    In other news, the KGB has filed a lawsuit against the Kryptos Group under the DMCA, claiming that their IP has now been stolen.
    The sad part of this is that in today's world somrthing similar could happen.


    I'm seeing a lot of messages to this effect, and they're getting modded +1, Funny. But it should be pointed out that the joke falls a bit flat, because the KGB did not encrypt the text on the artwork. The artist encrypted the text for the purpose of posing a challenge to its viewers.

    According to the victory announcement, the original text is from "classified KGB instructions and correspondence." Now, if the Russians wanted to make a case, they could try to figure out who stole their classified "correspondence"... good thing that never happens to us. Oops.

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    1. Re:Clarification: not a DMCA problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > The artist encrypted the text for the purpose
      > of posing a challenge to its viewers.

      What? So now you're tellin' me that SCO is an artist? Darl McBride actually has a talent beyond being loud and wrong?

  27. Misuninterpreted by BandwidthHog · · Score: 2, Funny

    I parsed the story title as announcing that the good guys had finally finished decrypting the font transformation used to obfuscate the source code that SCO projected on screen at that big press conference a few weeks ago. Silly me.

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  28. Re: arafat and KGB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unholy nexus.

  29. Finally! by jgarland79 · · Score: 1

    It's about time! This kept me awake at night not knowing what it said.

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  30. I for one welcome our encrypted overlords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Rapelcgvba vf sha naq tbbq sbe n ynhtu.

    Vg znxrf vg fb gung crbcyr pna'g ernq zl zvaq.

    Zl Gva sbvy ung vf abg pbzcyrgryl sbby cebbs nsgre nyy.

    1. Re:I for one welcome our encrypted overlords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lbh qba'g fnl? ;-)

  31. But I thought... by ccarr.com · · Score: 1

    ...that Bruce Perens cracked this weeks ago.

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    1. Re:But I thought... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See, I was wondering how long it would take someone to say this as I thought for sure this was another SCO story and I was thinking to myself that they had already cracked this. Now I have no comment.

  32. I go to school there by NivekEnterprises · · Score: 1

    I go to school at UNCC, I never really spent much time looking at that thing. Now i'm going to have a look at it. I always thought it was kinda cool, but just some artsy crap.

  33. SURPRISE! by alchemist68 · · Score: 1

    It wsa neevr rlaely eeyrcntpd. It was mdae by smoonee woh hda a rllaey bda csae of dxlsiyea. Tihs is nto a cniocdicconee scnie tihs wsa reltncey plbuhseid on Shsalodt.

  34. Aliens by NoSuchGuy · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Aliens read this and laugh out loud!

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    1. Re:Aliens by xchino · · Score: 1

      wtf?!?!

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  35. text of the article by CowBovNeal · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    COMMENTARY

    The KGB's Man

    By ION MIHAI PACEPA

    The Israeli government has vowed to expel Yasser Arafat, calling him an "obstacle" to peace. But the 72-year-old Palestinian leader is much more than that; he is a career terrorist, trained, armed and bankrolled by the Soviet Union and its satellites for decades.

    Before I defected to America from Romania, leaving my post as chief of Romanian intelligence, I was responsible for giving Arafat about $200,000 in laundered cash every month throughout the 1970s. I also sent two cargo planes to Beirut a week, stuffed with uniforms and supplies. Other Soviet bloc states did much the same. Terrorism has been extremely profitable for Arafat. According to Forbes magazine, he is today the sixth wealthiest among the world's "kings, queens & despots," with more than $300 million stashed in Swiss bank accounts.

    * * *
    "I invented the hijackings [of passenger planes]," Arafat bragged when I first met him at his PLO headquarters in Beirut in the early 1970s. He gestured toward the little red flags pinned on a wall map of the world that labeled Israel as "Palestine." "There they all are!" he told me, proudly. The dubious honor of inventing hijacking actually goes to the KGB, which first hijacked a U.S. passenger plane in 1960 to Communist Cuba. Arafat's innovation was the suicide bomber, a terror concept that would come to full flower on 9/11.

    In 1972, the Kremlin put Arafat and his terror networks high on all Soviet bloc intelligence services' priority list, including mine. Bucharest's role was to ingratiate him with the White House. We were the bloc experts at this. We'd already had great success in making Washington -- as well as most of the fashionable left-leaning American academics of the day -- believe that Nicolae Ceausescu was, like Josip Broz Tito, an "independent" Communist with a "moderate" streak.

    KGB chairman Yuri Andropov in February 1972 laughed to me about the Yankee gullibility for celebrities. We'd outgrown Stalinist cults of personality, but those crazy Americans were still naive enough to revere national leaders. We would make Arafat into just such a figurehead and gradually move the PLO closer to power and statehood. Andropov thought that Vietnam-weary Americans would snatch at the smallest sign of conciliation to promote Arafat from terrorist to statesman in their hopes for peace.

    Right after that meeting, I was given the KGB's "personal file" on Arafat. He was an Egyptian bourgeois turned into a devoted Marxist by KGB foreign intelligence. The KGB had trained him at its Balashikha special-ops school east of Moscow and in the mid-1960s decided to groom him as the future PLO leader. First, the KGB destroyed the official records of Arafat's birth in Cairo, replacing them with fictitious documents saying that he had been born in Jerusalem and was therefore a Palestinian by birth.

    The KGB's disinformation department then went to work on Arafat's four-page tract called "Falastinuna" (Our Palestine), turning it into a 48-page monthly magazine for the Palestinian terrorist organization al-Fatah. Arafat had headed al-Fatah since 1957. The KGB distributed it throughout the Arab world and in West Germany, which in those days played host to many Palestinian students. The KGB was adept at magazine publication and distribution; it had many similar periodicals in various languages for its front organizations in Western Europe, like the World Peace Council and the World Federation of Trade Unions.

    Next, the KGB gave Arafat an ideology and an image, just as it did for loyal Communists in our international front organizations. High-minded idealism held no mass-appeal in the Arab world, so the KGB remolded Arafat as a rabid anti-Zionist. They also selected a "personal hero" for him -- the Grand Mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini, the man who visited Auschwitz in the late 1930s and reproached the Germans for not having killed even more Jews. In 1985 Arafat paid homage to the mufti, saying he was "proud no end" to

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    1. Re:text of the article by pVoid · · Score: 0, Troll
      You know, I appreciate the article, but to me it sounds very tainted. Not in the facts, but in the interpretation... "The current administration sees through Arafat's charade"

      Would he have us belive the cold war was entirely run by the Soviet Union? That while the soviet's were busy working on this, the CIA was tending the flowers on capitol hill?

      It's all a game. They're all puppets, and this 'exposition of facts' doesn't change in the least bit the current situation of the people. The people Israeli or Palestinian facing death on a daily basis...

      If anything, the US should be backing down, and toning down their side of the affair since the USSR is no more. But at this point, it's too engrained in the people.

      Tough luck Pacepa... you were a peon just like anyone else. If you're in jail, you're either someone's bitch or their dady. It appears to me what you are doing right now is a continuation of what your work was back in the soviet block: selling ideals... or sharades as you call them. Except, in capitalist America, with a craving for vengefullness, you're going to get rich doing it.

    2. Re:text of the article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The proud owner of a troll. sigh.

  36. exactly by penguinsloveme · · Score: 1

    Exactly.

    Open standard mean's that there is inter-operability. not ... "lookie! this is how you decode HBO and Skinemax!"

    The only thing that has somewhat stemmed the cable TV piracy problems is that it's illegal for you to own a Digital Cable box. if you bought one off ebay then you bought stolen goods.

    Otherwise the DCT 3000 and 5000 , the most standard of the cable digital boxes in america would have been cracked wide open for everyone. Just like the crappy Jerrold and older cable boxes that were analog with some really lame digital scrambling sending a code to turn on the descrambler. (IVSS... inverted video supressed sync with the sync wandering around a bit.)

    It's a great idea, EXCEPT I am sure it's a way to enforce the broadcast flag. if they can control your TV set then they can control what you can and cant watch. suddenly your DVHS copy of the 2007 Superbowl only play's audio with a black screen that says "UNAUTHORIZED"

    no thank you.

    1. Re:exactly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you paste this garbage in response to every crypto post? Get a new reply.

  37. Code Craker Likes Slashdot by Amoeba+Protozoa · · Score: 4, Funny

    Have a look at Elonka Dunin, one of the coordinators of the team that cracked this beast. Is that slashdot on her screen? I think it is ;)

    -AP

    1. Re:Code Craker Likes Slashdot by penguinsloveme · · Score: 1

      And is that Windows on her desktop? I think it is :(

      It's all well and good that she reads slashdot, but I wish more readers would back their words up with action, and make the switch to open source programs.

    2. Re:Code Craker Likes Slashdot by Mr.Mustard · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah, mad props to Elonka. She gave a talk at phreaknic last year and has been in charge of the phreaknic code (a decryption challenge) for a few years now, if I recall correctly.

      Anyway, she's very cool and she's scheduled to talk about encryption again this year.

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    3. Re:Code Craker Likes Slashdot by fermion · · Score: 1
      You know, I was just setting up a *nix box in the command line and thought how unfortunate the kids of today are stuck in their GUI. They will never know the joys of the command line, or line printers or punch cards.

      And then it hit me. We should have just stayed with hand switches. Life was so simple. We just flip switches to code, find the moth when the code fails, and then sit back and play chess until we have enough energy to decode the answer.

      No, not really on topic. But just to say I think the problem is that people want to use Windows for everything. It is a tool, and not a bad one. I just feel better when I my toolbox contains more than a hammer.

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    4. Re:Code Craker Likes Slashdot by bons · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I wish people would actually listen to other people when they explain, time and time again, why the hell they see no reason to uninstall an operating system that's working fine (and mine is) so they can replace it with another operating system and a collection of emulators.

      So try to get this straight:
      I am not a clone.
      I see great benefits of open source, but I don't like the GPL.
      I read slashdot.
      I respond.
      I even moderate.
      And I'm very happy with Windows 98.
      What's not broken doesn't need fixing.

    5. Re:Code Craker Likes Slashdot by shiva600 · · Score: 2, Funny

      That would explain why it took so long ;)

    6. Re:Code Craker Likes Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ummm...there are open source GUIs. So, when someone says "...make the switch to open source programs.", I don't see how you cluelessly interpreted that as "...make the switch to command line environments."

      It's almost as if you're stupid.

    7. Re:Code Craker Likes Slashdot by arcanumas · · Score: 1

      She is probably curious to see which site's visitors keep viciously pounding her webservers.
      Hence the smile. It's a "i'll get the bastards" kind of smile.

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  38. School by Jrono · · Score: 1

    Wow, my school has recieved the honor of being mentioned in a Slashdot story. The Cyrillic Projector is next to the Fretwell building, across from the Friday building (home the capitalistic College of Buisness). It looks kind of boring during the day when it is not lit up, so most might not notice it.

  39. Can someone make this into a lampshade? by DaedalusLogic · · Score: 1

    It would be kinda cheesy like a copy of "The Scream" on a throw pillow I have. However, it would be so cool to have a conversation piece like this on my desk. Thinkgeek people... call Sanborn and get cracking, I want one for Christmas... Who else does?

    1. Re:Can someone make this into a lampshade? by Wiwi+Jumbo · · Score: 1

      As soon as I saw a picture of it, I thought:

      "Trasparency sheet, an ink jet printer and a 25W bulb on a wire from Ikea."

      O.k... maybe two sheets. :)

      I have no idea if it'll work, but it should be fun to try.

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  40. Let's be clear. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    UNC-Charlotte.

    UNC means Chapel Hill.

  41. Re:That's nothing by birdman042 · · Score: 0

    Nice Try........

  42. and the secret code reads...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Dear Comradski, send more Vodka.
    thank you,
    Nikoli out....

  43. text by CowBovNeal · · Score: 1

    I posted the text of the article and notified wsj that that link is not working.
    Please evaluate that article honestly.
    Thank you.

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  44. Hmmm.. by Nonillion · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Dosen't this violate the DMCA?????

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  45. Pictures by MxReb0 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I just ran out and took some pictures if you wanted to see what it looks like in the day. It's much more interesting at night when the letters are projected all over.

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    1. Re:Pictures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Really man, how in the hell did the Russians fit that big ass thing in a decoder ring. The Japanese I can see doing that but the Russkies never.

    2. Re:Pictures by t98502 · · Score: 1

      Cool pictures. I agree that it does look nicer in the dark, too bad it is raining now.

      Someone had told me that it was related to the fraternities and sororities on campus.

      (Shamless plug: You web page mentioned that you didn't do anything physical, you should join the fencing club. Wednesday,Thursday @ 8PM in the SAC.)
      -Nathan Conrad

    3. Re:Pictures by MxReb0 · · Score: 1

      Oh, I was just kidding, I lift weights, run, swim, and I've recently been informed that I'm on a club soccer team now.
      (offtopic, sorry)

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    4. Re:Pictures by Elonka · · Score: 1

      Great pics, thanks for posting them! I've shared them with the folks at the Kryptos Group too. Is it okay if I link to the pics from the Cyrillic Projector site, or would you rather that I mirrored them so as not to suck up bandwidth? The main slashdotting is over for now (about 50,000 hits over the last couple days), but other papers may be picking up the story soon, so traffic could get heavy again.

  46. This news is so Awesome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm so glad that so many people have put so much of their lives into solving this singularly important problem to all mankind. Now we just have to deal with the trivial things like hunger, poverty, and disease. Hopefully someone will solve some artificially created encryption of some meaningless document carved into metal in time to save the fucking planet.

    Dumbasses

    1. Re:This news is so Awesome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PEOPLE OF EARTH ! Forget about having fun ! You must dedicate your life to helping people who are too stupid and lazy to get or make decent jobs in order to buy food or too stupid and lazy to move to locations where this is economically possible.

      So, you must henceforth go to work 60 hours a week to support organizations that send food and supplies without helping those people to make whatever changes are necessary for them to be self-supporting.

      Thank you, that is all.

  47. MOD PARENT "OFF-TOPIC" by mgg4 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Please!!

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  48. What, you mean these? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  49. Kind of eerie... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...one section of the text actually forms an image of a woman who is a dead ringer for a young Lena Olin.

  50. Why I Hate Postmodernism by Valdrax · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    The problem with modern art is that the uniqueness of artistic talent is dead. The great works of the past that we all recognize are valued because the talent required to make them was rare back in the day. Now, however, you can find a plethora people in the world with talent exceeding Van Gogh, Michaelangelo, and Da Vinci. Our liberal arts schools crank out people with this level or talent by the hundreds each year, and most of them are "doomed" to spend their lives creating office art and advertising source material.

    High Art needs to be rare and unique to retain its value, and following the overabundance of talent and the disillusioned post-war post-modernism movements, we have been led to a state where Novelty is King. You can peg the art movements of the early 20th century as the real beginnings of Visceral Response and Novelty as the driving forces of the art world as it broke from the life-like imagery that had prevailed since the Renaissance. Fauvism, Expressionism, Surrealism, Cubism, and Abstraction slowly pulled artwork away from the technical yet evocative realism of the previous centuries and firmly into the realm of what we now refer to as "shock-value art." Artists like Jackson Pollock, Piet Mondrain, and Ben Nicholson utterly rejected depictions of real-world objects and events. Later postmodern and self-impressed "ironic" works by artists like Andy Warhol coupled with the spread of high quality commercial art in advertising over the early half of the 20th century sounded the death-knell for the prevalence of actual talent in Art.

    Now we have "kinetic scuptures" made up of seemingly randomly slapped-together piles of geometric figures desperately trying to pretend that the say something that wasn't said before by a hundred other "artists" in the first half of the century, icons of religious figures covered in human waste purely to piss-off people that the artist doesn't like and to give the artist a smug high-ground to pooh-pooh about censorship when the masses call troll on them, and empty fucking rooms strewn with litter and a fritzy light winning their "creator" hundreds of thousands of dollars in prizes. Art is Dead because Art is in the hands of the Masses, and the little egotistic society of intellectual masturbation that makes up the patrons of the High Art world just can't have that, now can it?

    Postmodernism is all about asking the question, "What is Art?" This is an important question, but postmodernism's attempts at answering it lead one to the conclusion that everything is art and thus nothing is art. Musical pieces like 4'33" by John Cage (which is nothing but him sitting at a piano not playing anything for that long) and modern unstructured rhythmless Noise like that of Merzbow essentially claim that tone, rhythm, and melody are completly unnecessary for music. All long as an emotional landscape is painted somehow, then it is music. At the same time, is makes the argument that nothing is music.

    Similarly, in my mind the modern art movement is too impressed with itself. Every modern artist who generates a huge media flak always claims to be "pushing the envelope of what Art is." What a load of hooey. In the process of asking this question, they too are rhetorically hinting that anything is so long as it gets a rise. Does that mean that KKK rallies should be given grants for performance art if soaking Jesus in horse urine is art?

    Modern art exists today much like the art of the past did, to provide the rich and powerful with something to show off to their peers. While the patronage system is dead, the wealthy let themselves be taken into the con and the spiel of the artist trying to hock their latest collage of rotten melon splatters and barbed wire. This sponsors the movement and gives them a chance to feel superior to their peers much like the Princes of Italian city-states in Da Vinci's time. Why buy something beautiful? The middle class can do that at any upscale mall store. You've got to get something unique.

    Bah. I am ranting. I just think it's a shame that the only artists who receive large sums of money for their work now days are con artists. Talent is dead.

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    1. Re:Why I Hate Postmodernism by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      How long have you been saving that one?

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    2. Re:Why I Hate Postmodernism by BluedemonX · · Score: 1

      RE: The great works of the past that we all recognize are valued because the talent required to make them was rare back in the day.

      Total, complete, and utter bullsh*t.

      Painters belonged to GUILDS and were APPRENTICED. They weren't allowed to touch paint until they mastered chiaroscuro, they weren't allowed to shade until they got perspective right, and right from the beginning they were expected to draw, and draw VERY VERY WELL.

      Once the master (who was a guild member, and had talent, education and experience) realised that a student had gotten the hang of a particular aspect, it was time to put him to work on many of the joe job aspects of a painting in progress, be it transferring an initial sketch of a cherub onto a patch of wall ready for more experienced apprentices to shade in, turning powder and oil into paint ready to use, or even priming and preparing the materials used to create the final painting products.

      Where everything went to hell was when the Impressionists decided that they didn't want to learn, they wanted to go outside and throw splashes of pretty color that suggested the subject.

      And then from there, we had every kind of -ism. What we don't have anymore is proper art education. Let me ask you this - is a music student expected to play Paganini's Caprice? Or is he first instructed in how to hold the violin and set to work playing scales over and over and over again until getting the note dead on is second nature, at which point simple melodies are introduced, etc? If the same people in charge of art were in charge of music, students would be praised for using the violin as a percussion instrument (only one performance, the instrument is totally destroyed, but what a chaotic juxtaposition of form and content!)!!!!!!

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    3. Re:Why I Hate Postmodernism by Sivaram_Velauthapill · · Score: 2, Informative

      It seems like the world doesn't fit into your view of the world so you claim art is dead. First of all, people are creative and things change. Second, new devices, techniques, technology, etc alters the landscape. New forms of art have emerged. For example, the emergence of photography shifted some elements of art into photography. Doing paintings of what exists (ie. nature, people, etc) lost popularity because you can do a "similar thing" with photography. How many people have large posters or photographic pictures of nature whereas they would have had paintings in the past?

      In addition, how about movies (motion picture)? Clearly that is art--is it not?

      When you say art is dead, what you are really referring to is "classical" art. If you include all forms of art, like motion picture, photography, etc, art is no different than before. It has simply diversified...

      Sivaram Velauthapillai

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    4. Re:Why I Hate Postmodernism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Now, however, you can find a plethora people in the world with talent exceeding Van Gogh, Michaelangelo, and Da Vinci. Our liberal arts schools crank out people with this level or talent by the hundreds each year..."

      These statements are inane and must have been written by someone with far too high an opinion of the modern liberal arts colleges and universities. Are there modern equivalents to Brunelleschi, Botticelli, da Vinci, Michelangelo, and Caravaggio? No, there are not.

      However, I agree with the rest of the "rant"; art has degenerated into nothing more than works of shock value and vanity.

  51. Rubber Hose Cryptography by Damiano · · Score: 5, Funny

    Actually this is a real technique. It's called "Rubber Hose Cryptography". A few hours beating someone with a rubber hose can be considerably more effective at cracking keys than a supercomputer.

    Damiano

    1. Re:Rubber Hose Cryptography by minus_273 · · Score: 1

      perfect 10 technique is pretty good too.. that much i remember from the crypto class i took

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    2. Re:Rubber Hose Cryptography by blibbleblobble · · Score: 1

      "A few hours beating someone with a rubber hose can be considerably more effective at cracking keys than a supercomputer."

      Or telling them they can be imprisoned for two years if they fail to provide their encryption keys on demand.

      In democratic England, RubberHose protects you

  52. Well...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When did the US care about the intellectual property of other nations? Itself is all that matters.

  53. I walk by this thing twice a week by NeoSkandranon · · Score: 1

    I'm a student at UNC-C...I walked by that projector twice a week for a few months, noticed it was cyrillic alphabet on the sculpture...to my knowlege no one in day to day life has any clue what the thing is, or that its even a code

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  54. Pugwash Rules by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Having Pugwash as a home town finally paid off!!!

    go PDHS!!

    sadly i am 23 yrs old

  55. Steganography by chiph · · Score: 1

    You can think of the work as an excellent example of steganography, as applied to a piece of modern art. You've just shown that no one looks at the crap, so why not use it to hide secret messages?

    So, what was Alexander Calder really saying with his colorful mobiles? Hint: it wasn't any garbage about "Expressing the social dynamic of Man's inhumanity to Man using organically reclaimed steel" -- it was "secret nuclear missle base is located at 34.4N 75.7W"

    Chip H.

  56. Everything is linked by gustgr · · Score: 0

    I am glad to see some work like that, linking math, arts, culture, politics and cleverness. I wasn't aware about that sculpture but getting info about makes me feel good about the humans, I can see some hope at all at our future.

  57. uncc sculpture by mccoyspace · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I used to teach in the art department at UNCC, (before this work was installed). The school has always made a good committment to public sculpture.
    Most people on that campus probably don't pay much attention to the artworks around them, which is too bad. Still, it's nice to see a work from the collection there capture people's imagination and enthusiasm.

  58. Correction, UNC-Charlotte not UNC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    UNC-Charlotte's campus, not UNC's campus

  59. Kryptos? That's the island near Lesbos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...where all the geeks hang out

  60. Make your own sculpture by c_oflynn · · Score: 1

    You wonder if someone has done this, but just made up an impossible crytpography code.

    So the first part of it is crackable eventually, but just to through people off the rest is random...

  61. tsk. tsk. slashdot lacks respect for this news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm very surprised at the lack of understanding about this subject on part of slashdot community. Cryptography isn't something to poke fun at, and apparently this community is lacking the technical expertise in that area to have any intelligent conversations about this news. Perhaps I'm expecting too much of /. these days.

  62. Re:karma gone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sir, the proper terminology is Linux-faggots.

  63. Is lies am telink you! by HiggsBison · · Score: 3, Funny
    The actual translation is:
    Keep information away from Moose and Squirrel.

    Vhy voot Rawshians... (excuse me...)
    Why would Russians be interested in Moose and Squirrel? Boris and Natash were Pottsylvanian. Not Russian.

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  64. I used to walk by by dukerobinson · · Score: 1

    I used to walk by that thing every day on the way to class and I never knew it was a code! I thought it was just art for art's sake. Silly me.

  65. They should have used double-rot13 encryption.. by Zurgutt · · Score: 1

    ..much, much more secure ;)

  66. Roman letters for Cyrillic letters. by donsaklad · · Score: 1

    How do you represent some other Russian words but instead of using Cyrillic letters using similar Roman letters?...

    For example... PECTOPAH
    XOPOWO
    xopowo

    1. Re:Roman letters for Cyrillic letters. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't. Of the 33 Cyrillic characters, only 13 can duplicated in Roman text. You can get two more with Greek letters. There's not a lot you can do with only half an alphabet.

      For using Russian (or other non-Roman alphabets, such as Norwegian or Dutch) in a Roman/ascii environment, transliteration is used to reproduce the sound of Russian, but not it's appearance. Of course, this gets interesting with sounds that don't exist in English.

    2. Re:Roman letters for Cyrillic letters. by donsaklad · · Score: 1

      What other words are there?... besides...

      HNYNBO
      OYEH XOPOWO

      See also
      http://makeashorterlink.com/?C17023BF5

      Using Roman letters as graphical representation of Russian words is a kind of art that's been used creatively in advertising for instance.

  67. the CIA teddy bear for kids by datapt · · Score: 1

    Has anyone checked out the CIA teddybear? The CIA are showing kids the important work they do.

  68. This was decrypted by anethema · · Score: 1

    JUST in time! Thank god!

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  69. Agreed: Aliens Would Laugh by handy_vandal · · Score: 1

    If I were an alien, and observed your species making sculptural encryptions, I'd probably laugh.

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  70. Re:tsk. tsk. slashdot lacks respect for this news. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Indeed. Cryptography is a fascinating branch of mathematics, and breaking codes is much harder - and more interesting - than creating them. It is akin to the calculus: taking a derivative is relatively easy, if sometimes tedious. Integrating the result is usually much harder. If you don't know what procedure to use, it's nearly impossible. Even when you do know, it can be quite difficult - remember differential equations?

    Additionally, it appears that hardly anyone knows anything at all about Russia or the Soviet Union. Perhaps two or three posts have indicated any knowledge, understanding, or interest in the Russian language or any other aspect of its culture or politics. I regret that I feel the need to inform people that the Soviet Union (including the Committee for State Security, or KGB) ceased to exist more than a decade ago. Youth these days seem to have no understanding of history. Studying the Cold War might help explain why the US maintains military presence in at least 150 other countries.

    Given that Slashdot claims to be 'News for Nerds', I would expect the readership to be a little more... educated. As it is, I tend to stay away from here because both better synopses of the news and more insightful discussion can be found elsewhere. I'd say that five - let's be generous - perhaps ten percent of the comments are interesting or worthwhile. The rest are, to be honest, complete rubbish.

  71. I broke cyrillic text too by Upphew · · Score: 0

    and I got three years at jail!

  72. I broke the code by JamesP · · Score: 1

    and I still dont understand a word!

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  73. training ground by hany · · Score: 1

    Maybe cryptographers are using Slashdot to practice decyphering - look at all those cryptic posts and/or signatures. :)

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  74. how do they light it? by fantomas · · Score: 1

    cool pictures, cheers. Do you know how they light it to get the projection effect?

    1. Re:how do they light it? by NivekEnterprises · · Score: 1

      Theres a big light inside, about half way up, it does a really good job of illuminating it.