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World Cyber Games 2003 Results
jester42 writes "The quasi-olympics in eSports just took place this last weekend in Seoul, Korea. 600 players from 55 nations competed in 8 different games to find both best players and best nations. The results of each game, and a medal tally can be found at the WCG website. Germany got the title of best nation, ahead of Chinese Taipei and Korea. The World Cyber Games are held every year, and national qualifications are followed by a final. Next year's final will be hosted by San Francisco, and will be the first time the WCG finals take place outside Asia."
Why isn't this an olympic sport yet?
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They never saw it coming. Here's a google cache.
The safest way to approach lava is to have another person with you and he goes first.
when they include xbill as a discipline i will take part, provided, ofcourse, that the first prize is a mouse.
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Get rid of the basketball court and the football field. Just have rows and rows of systems rigged up with FPS games.
At least fewer people will be killed inadvertently the next time a Columbine happens. The kids will have better aim.
On a more serious note, this is both interesting to me and disturbing at the same time. It's one of those things we probably should do something about, but won't.
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Sorry about that. DON'T MOD PARENT UP! I could've sworn it didn't load right for me the first time....
The safest way to approach lava is to have another person with you and he goes first.
I nominate Thrash to participate.. who's with me?
I wonder if the tournament downloads, specifically Unreal Tournament 2003 recorded matches are available for download. It'd be interesting to watch.
Does anyone know where to get these files?
What's wrong with calling it Taiwan? Afraid of the Chinese communists?
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3 RTS and 3 FPS... 1 Sports game. I'll admit to not knowing what "survival project" is.
They need to round out the categories a bit more. Maybe a racing game, a fighter ala Street Fighter and its ilk.
And of course they need some turn-based strategy in here. I'm probably just a big dork, but I'd rather slowly watch a 8 person multiplayer game of Civilization unfold than watch people frag each other OVER and OVER and OVER.
What would you like to see in next years' games?
Whoever wrote those interviews with players in the WCG must be severely English impaired... It was like reading English written by someone who ran text through an online translator...
There is no doubt that korea is still the best gaming nation. Foreign nations were able to take 2nd (Germany) and 3rd (Canada) because of korea's bad organization. First off, they denied the two-time defending champion (Lim Yo Hwan, Slayers_`Boxer`) an automatic bid, which they had given him previously. They then ran the qualifers as best-of-1 with no losers bracket. Because of this and inherent randomness/map imbalance, many of the favorites from korea were eliminated early and only one of the qualifing players was ranked in the top 10 in Korea. This allowed Germany to pick up some points in Starcraft that they wouldn't have won otherwise.
http://www.cyberfight.org/site/news/19181/?PHPSESS ID=a768505d54ff319f2348e98ca3d31456
nope, there is however a link between ppl who play crap games and violence:/
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Al Michaels: Ha ha ha. John, this is only network television, so we're treading on thin ice. But with 28 years of practice, it's no wonder why he is just so good. Now, let's join Lisa Guerrero with the Nerd Alert.
Until Slashdot fixes the funny modifier, use insightful or interesting. The poster knows your intentions.
There are demos available on SoGamed's demo section - it's pretty slow right now though...
Any technology distinguishable from magic, is insufficiently advanced.
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The FIFA Soccer Finals: two German twin brothers who agreed beforehand to split the prize.
As England's Gary Lineker said: Football is a game with 22 men and in the end, the Germans always win.
What do you mean? It was a team competition. The Swedish Team beat US in the Finals.
!wow
My God! How did this modded up?!
They decided to make CS a clan competition because like you said, teamwork is needed and it's easier to just take a working team than to train a national team. Plus they have that system of national qualifiers, so someone has to decide which players to send, so who should pick that team for each country? StarCraft is HUGE in Asia, especially in Korea.
the games aren't constant.
it's like turning the rules of soccer(or american football) on it's head every few years. with the olympic cycle of 4 years, the games would completely change between every olympic games held. now you could become 'olympic level' in any of the games mentioned now in just few years practice, which is not possible in (most) other olympic sports.
now, just about the only (electronic)games that would have had the longevity needed for even thinking of being added would be nethack(with special categories such as illiterate monk?) and.. well, something, tetris perhaps. the games that have been played for 10+ years aren't exactly popular.
perhaps in 50 years we will have games that have a life of more than 20+ years, enough to strike it through as a real long term sports.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
hahaha stooopid ami - US people are not the "REAL" - you selfish ignorant prick
hmm didnt know they still called it that. next thing you know someone will start talking about formousa :-p. get over the political correctness; its Taiwan
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The war on terror is a war for peace
We got no problem calling it Taiwan all the other times, so why not now ;-P
SoGamed's WCG site!
SoGamed WCG film
A better link to sogameds demo section, right now I can only find 3 WCG demos under the "WCG 2003" category...
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Wohoo, Sweden at least one the CounterStrike competition. It was even on mentioned on swedish national news. (I guess we don't win that much, so we are happy with what we get)
Congratulation guys!
what the fuck do you mean no team competition in CS? Of course it was team based!
Your accusations about anti-US bias are preposterous, for example I bet Survival Project was thrown in just as a promotion stunt for some Korean thing, didn't matter to anyone else. Having US handball ("football") would have been ridiculous pro-US bias, soccer is global.
Your last paragraph was meaningless.
Is "IT" in you?
Kind of hard to find anything on this game (at least in english). Here's a short review in english.
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Looks like the following are official sites (Taiwanese and Korean respectively)
http://www.spgame.com.tw/
http://spgame.com/
Seems to be some kind of multiplayer RPG that's got an anime feel to it . .
FIFA Soccer - Uh hello, in the US Madden on PS2 outsells like every crappy soccer game ever made for any system COMBINED. This is a clear example of anti-US bias.
Do do realize however, that soccer (Futbol, football etc...) is the single most popular sport in the world in terms of fans, televised audiences and participants. Guess what? NFL is not even second here. That honor would go to Formula One racing. NFL football, like Nascar racing is a uniquely American phenomenon that most of the rest of the world simply does not follow.
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The only thing that kind of gym class could help teach to help against shootings is fear of the absolute power of the admin.
because their contestants where still stuck in Mcdonalds
in other news...
The Rockland Department of Health has received an $80,000 grant to develop programs to combat childhood obesity.
- What do you mean? It was a team competition. The Swedish Team [worldcybergames.org] beat US in the Finals [worldcybergames.org].
That's not quite correct. It's more like A swedish clan (Sk.swe) beat A US clan (3d). In some of the other games they had more like national teams play each other. But just as I said in a previous post, it just made much more sense this way.read it more carefully...the modding was part of the topic...and the dick even spelled it wrong :P
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Halo - The anti-US bias here is CLEAR. The US would have taken this event hands down because X-Box is far more popular in the US than anywhere else. But for some reason there was no team event? So Korea gets its free gold event, but the US doesn't. That sure seems fair.
US won Halo...
Counterstrike - AGREED. This is the #1 tournament game in the world. But why no team competition? CS requires teamwork more than almost any other game.
As mentioned previously, CS was a team competition.
StarCraft - SC is over 5 years old, and almost noone plays it anymore. It has no business being in this tournament. Big suprise, the Koreans won this event, I heard this game is HUGE over there. This event was obviously just thrown in to give Korea a free event.
Actually starcraft is huge everywhere outside of the US. Don't believe me? Check out the World Game Tour which has over 75,000 members (and korea is only #3 in terms of games and players, although they are clearly the best), or Team Liquid which gives reports of the Korean leagues to an english-speaking audience.
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And the only reason soccer is popular is because the Europeans conquered and slaughtered all of the people in those countries and forced them to play soccer and cricket.
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His tortuous diet of just taco-snot saw him lose four-stone and the exertions, both physical and mental, had clearly taken their toll on him.
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"I have learned more in that little box than I have in years. I learned how hard it is to have any senese of humour in life because nothing makes any sense anyway.
"I have learned how strong we all are as human beings, how strong we all are.
"But most importantly, I learned to appreciate all the simple things in life - a smile from a stranger or a loved one, the sunrise, the sunset.
"Everything that God has given us."
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Tell me, is it fair to have a "World Championship of Eating", invite a bunch of really good Hindu people from India, and have one of the events be a hamburger eating competition? There is no way that would fly.
People in the USA don't play soccer, we don't watch soccer, and we sure don't play soccer video games, so having a soccer event is totally unfair. If REAL football isn't popular in other countries then find a basketball game or something. It really isn't that hard.
Starcraft has always been big overseas; I believe that it would be bigger here if people actually held tournaments for SC (or RTS in general). I'd like to see a C&C:Generals compeition, I've played that game when it first came out... loved it. Just didn't have the $ to spend on it at the time. Going to pick it up from the ebx later this week.
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If REAL football isn't popular in other countries then find a basketball game or something.
Typical Usonian. Insist that the "real" football is the one in which you almost never touch the ball with your feet, and ignore the game invented first (renamed 'soccer' through your own arrogance and ignorance). I can't imagine why so many Usonians hate the French so much, when they have more than their fair share of 'French' arrogance.
Were they running both on the same win2k computer, or their ISP just pulled the plug?
Uh dude, if you think you never touch your foot to the ball in FOOTBALL then you've obviously never watched a game of FOOTBALL. Ever heard of a place kicker or a punter? 0wned you idiot.
The fact is that FOOTBALL is called "FOOTBALL" in the USA and SOCCER is called "SOCCER". That's just how things are here. You can bitch about it all day, but things won't change. Since slashdot is an AMERICAN web site run by AMERICANS, founded by an AMERICAN, and owned by an AMERICAN company, I think we will use the AMERICAN meanings here. If you don't like it then find another web site!
Wonder what the national sport in Iraq is going to be ?
Don't look back the lemmings are gaining on you
Real football is popular worldwide, it's just that in the US Americans like pansy football (helmets! padding! Timeout because Americans are too fat and lazy to play a sport without 5 minute breaks in between 30 seconds of talentless fat slob action).
Seriously, Rugby is a man's sport. Americanized Rugby serves TV (they change the rules to make time for commercials. Oh yeah, that's a real sport!)
I think Americans had to invent dumb sports that no one else would play so that they wouldn't get their asses kicked by everyone else.
If you want to talk about pansy sports then take a look at SOCCER. If you tackle someone in soccer you get like a red card or something and get thrown out of the game. In FOOTBALL it's just normal. Looks like wussy SOCCER players can't handle the heat.
I can't believe you'd even say that FOOTBALL is a wussy sport compared to SOCCER. How about this: You take five guys from Manchester United or Arsenal or any of your gas arse SOCCER teams and put them in a FIGHTING MATCH against five real FOOTBALL players. It's not going to be pretty, those SOCCER players will get stomped. Warren Sap could probably take all five wimpy SOCCER players by himself.
The fact is that SOCCER is a gay sport for gay people. And the fac tthat you like it shows that you are GAY. And Rugby, WTF is that? Who watches the championship or whatever of rugby? And how many billion people watch the Super Bowl every year? Yeah, I thought so, DUMBASS.
> CS requires teamwork more than almost any other game.
CS is nothing more than a TDM game like TDM in Q1-Q3 and other FPS'. Only the physics and weapons are different. Tribes2 is a game where teamwork is required. Unfortunately it's not very popular.
Plus T2 runs on Linux in contradiction to CS.
Isn't it funny that for an anti-Microsoft site such as Slashdot, they use a Microsoft Sidewinder Pro as their icon?
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Umm, sorry, CS isn't TDM. Not in the way that TDM is used by people who know what TDM is, at least. Tribes 2 requires teamwork, but implying CS doesn't is silly.
Wah, wah, I don't play the games because I think they suck or they're not popular here, so they must be anti-me!
It's also discrimanatory against the majority of Ethopians because they don't have the luxury of computers! Let's make Bush bomb Korea! Both of them!
Hey, can my team from Uganda play in your "World Series"?
I just read the last paragraph, you think they HATE the USA? What a self-inflated feeling of worth. They probably didn't even care that no loud-talking, fat-ass, whiny Americans like you attended the event.
What time is it/will be over there? Check with my iPhone app!
and will this be what people learn in the english class of the future:
n ts _view.asp?cont_seq=2229&page=1&catalog_seq =20
http://www.worldcybergames.org/funstuff/b_conte
Ok. Anyone bashing SC, stfu and read this carefully. Though the game is old, or even very old, it is played a WHOLE FUCKING LOT. Don't believe me? Go log onto BNET (your choice of US gateways if you think only Koreans are playing it) and see how many people play it. Yea, it is about the SAME AS BEFORE - over 10k games usually.
Furthermore, SC displays the following great points:
1. It is balanced. There has been almost no RTS as balanced like this one.
2. Look at the gameplay. Forget the micromanagement in the new games, this one is as clear a test of aim and linear strategy for RTS as CS is for FPS. It tests skill very well - CS is old but can you deny that it is an awesome test.
2b. Ok as a continuation, there has to also be non-linear games so you can throw in something like...pfff WC3:FT? I think WC3:FT is to SC:BW as UT2k3 is to HL:CS (get that?). And for the FPS genre, we do have UT2k3 and CS...
3. Try playing UMS maps (use map settings). They actually are a whole lot of fun. Though they won't be used in tourneys likely, have a look at the 'defense' line of maps, which exhibit some very cool uses of the engine.
So yea quit talkin' out your ass sayin' that the game is old. It is still very much active and popular which is why an SC2 would be a very popular game (blizzard developers, hint hint)
"At least fewer people will be killed inadvertently the next time a Columbine happens. The kids will have better aim."
What kind of jackass comment is that? The kids killed at Columbine *didn't have guns*.
"People" using "unnecessary" quotes should be "shot".
Uh dude, if you think you never touch your foot to the ball in FOOTBALL then you've obviously never watched a game of FOOTBALL. Ever heard of a place kicker or a punter? 0wned you idiot.
Fool. He didn't say you never touch the ball with your foot. Learn to read, child. Then you can go look up a definition for '0wned' and see how it doesn't apply to your pissy little post. The rest of your post just accentuates your lack of education.
Unless you're talking about the two kids who *did* the killing (who had guns) having better aim, and hence, not killing folks they didn't mean to kill. Still a jackass comment.
"People" using "unnecessary" quotes should be "shot".
youve obviously never tried running in pads
in high school i knew a guy who lost 20 lbs in pre season conditioning. 2 weeks.
theyre strapped on, placing pressure on your chest, and add about 15 lbs of weight. its sort of like trying to run in high altitudes with 2 layers of wet clothing. and all running is dead out sprint.
soccer (football) is a sport so is american football. soccer players would outlast american football players in long distance, but for pure explosive power american football is unmatched.
What happens when human-computer interfaces are refined to the point where hand-eye coordination and manual reflexes no longer have an effect on how well a person plays a game?
Will winning have any meaning then? This is rather like the illicit drugs issue in athletic sports, only taken to the nth degree since the limits imposed by muscle and bone would not apply.
What is the core of this competition, is the real question. That has to be determined if it's going to be an Olympic sport.
If the Olympics were going to implement a cyberathlete sport, but use original code instead of commercial games, what sort of game would be best for them to invent? What would its key features be? What skills would it measure?
Is it hand-eye coordination? Quickness of thought?
With improved H-C interface, would the highest IQs always win? Would an IQ test then suffice in place of the game for competition?
You have a problem with Xenophobia (i've looked at your other postings as well).
Try responding to this comment, but first correct the spelling error in the subject. Hit the "preview" button. Look at what Slashcode does to the subject, and you'll understand why the OP included the misspelling. I've seen other trolls put "5core:5, Interesting" to get around this "feature."
BTW, the original comment actually was modded up - it was at +1 Funny at one point. Looks like somebody's going to get nailed when this comes up in m2.
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I wonder why there are no id software games present in the games list? They always seem to be the bar of online deathmatch type games, odd they would be left out of the "World Cyber Games".
YOU need to pay more attention! the post directly below yours has it right!!! :->
StarCraft - SC is over 5 years old, and almost noone plays it anymore. It has no business being in this tournament. Big suprise, the Koreans won this event, I heard this game is HUGE over there. This event was obviously just thrown in to give Korea a free event.
You haven't played StarCraft in a while have you? There are still 75000 players on the US-West server at any given time.
Man, Americans lose an event and they cry out 'cheater!' like whiny little kids.
YOU LOST Stop bitching.
Hmmm I thought that the internet was international.
At least fewer people will be killed inadvertently the next time a Columbine happens. The kids will have better aim.
Actually the killers actually killed the people they wanted. There wasn't any "inadvertent" kills (I don't even know what that means)...
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Seriously, Rugby is a man's sport. Americanized Rugby serves TV (they change the rules to make time for commercials. Oh yeah, that's a real sport!)
The capitalist overlords in USA want to add commercials to EVERYTHING. They even show some soccer games with commercials (although they don't stop the game.)
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Seeking the meaning of life... @slashdot of all places
Hmmmm... kind of like soggy biscuit right?
tribes2 requires more teamwork than CS does. tribes2 is far more strategic, CS relies mainly on who has the quickest reaction times.
The Superbowl is aired worldwide to a potential audience of about 2 billion people.
Its watched by about 400 million people for more than twenty minutes, after the half-time show the numbers drop to Americans and people to stoned to relise that they aren't playing Madden.
Why should the rest of the world learn your stupid complex rules just because you can't be bothered to learn theirs? US Population < Rest of Human Race.
Face it, outside of America no-one gives a rats arse about Gridiron. Soccer on the other hand is essentially a religion in some parts of the world.
Also Soccers rules are remarkably simple to understand, get ball in net... don't touch ball with hands...unless you are goalie.
Thats essentially the basic rules of soccer. I can't even comprehend Gridiron. Rugby(Union) and Aussie Rules on the other hand I love and know most of the rules.
Read Errant Story.
Maybe the words "collateral damage" can be of any help...
Now to waiting for insult and else rated at +1...
bad day on slashdot for me...
Mass cyber sex! get ready! go!
Crowd: eeeew..
that's prolly why it wont get in the olympics.
in seriousness, I dont see it worthy as an olypmic event, the olympics are for physical endurance...
and masturbation doesnt count either, or moving your fingers over a keyboard.
we had a form of FPS in gym class-- Dodgeball
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Football is really popular in Iraq. I know this because the national trainer was from East Germany, he had to flee from the bombs.
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