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Recycling TV Ads

Makarand writes "According to this article in the Denver Post a young entrepreneur has gotten into the business of recycling junked TV commercials for clients with low budgets. TV ads cost anywhere between $50,000 and $1 million and small businesses usually cannot afford an original production. The company, Thought Equity, wipes off all references to the earlier company and makes the junked commerical ready for reselling with a price tag less than $10,000. Also businesses that want their ads on the air as soon as possible are approaching the company seeking recycled ads because producing original ads takes time."

296 comments

  1. meow mix by cRueLio · · Score: 3, Funny

    wow! i wonder how they'll use that old meow mix commercial...

    1. Re:meow mix by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      Ya...maybe with a porno flick in one of those XXX video stores. Just a thought.

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    2. Re:meow mix by orthogonal · · Score: 1

      wow! i wonder how they'll use that old meow mix commercial...

      Ok, first edit out the cat, and photoshop in the penguin, and we have it sing,

      "li li, li li, liNUX!"

    3. Re:meow mix by spectre_240sx · · Score: 1

      I thought the idea was to get more people using linux, not to drive them away :o

  2. Makes you realize... by TheLoneDanger · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Makes you realize just how little the ads actually have to do with their products. The Simpsons episode with the artsy-fartsy commerical for Mr. Plow skewered this nicely.

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    1. Re:Makes you realize... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Case in point: Just about any Cingular ad.

    2. Re:Makes you realize... by Aardpig · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah, when I lived in England, you could always spot the ones coming from Germany; not only was the dubbing appalling, but the fake tan gave away the game every single time. Orange skin? No thanks, Hans, I don't want your chocolate egg with a surprising plastic toy cunningly hidden in the centre...

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    3. Re:Makes you realize... by afidel · · Score: 1

      *agggggggggghhhhhhhh*
      Kinder Eggs
      /homer voice

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    4. Re:Makes you realize... by catbutt · · Score: 1

      You seem to imply that's a bad thing. I think its great when they actually try to entertain you, rather than just force their product down your throat.

    5. Re:Makes you realize... by TheLoneDanger · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think the problem is more that they don't give you any real information on the actual product.

      What they're trying to get you to buy then, isn't the product, but the advertising. I'd prefer it if they spent more time making the product/service better or informing us what it can do for us.

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    6. Re:Makes you realize... by shigelojoe · · Score: 1

      It was always the shit-eating and latex costumes that tipped me off that it came from Germany.

      Ads? Oh, I thought we were talking about porn. Sorry. *coughs*

  3. nothing new by larry+bagina · · Score: 5, Funny
    slashdot has been recycling stories for years.

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    1. Re:nothing new by bakes · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I've seen a few episodes of JAG, and seen re-cycled footage from Top Gun, Hunt for Red October and Clear and Present Danger, and that is just the stuff that I recognised.

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    2. Re:nothing new by jCaT · · Score: 3, Funny

      ok, now this is showing my true geekiness... MacGyver did the same thing! They used some top gun footage for one episode, and the majority of the mini chase scene from the original "Italian Job".

      Now, when I was a kid I had no idea, but it's blatantly obvious now...

    3. Re:nothing new by Richard_L_James · · Score: 1

      slashdot has been recycling stories for years. And comments too !!!

  4. Dell Commercial by superpulpsicle · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Dude you're getting viagra."

    1. Re:Dell Commercial by Schlopper · · Score: 5, Funny

      More like:

      DUDE, you're getting a boner.

    2. Re:Dell Commercial by s20451 · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Dude, ask your doctor if Viagra is right for you."

      (much faster voice)"Possible side effects include extreme flatulence, delusions, uncontrollable swearing, and growth of a third arm. You should not take this medication while children are present. Tell your doctor if you experience dizziness, heartburn, or become president of the united states."

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    3. Re:Dell Commercial by anakin357 · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Who do you want to do today?"

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    4. Re:Dell Commercial by John_Booty · · Score: 1

      "Dude, ask your doctor if Viagra is right for you." (much faster voice)"Possible side effects include extreme flatulence, delusions, uncontrollable swearing, and growth of a third arm.

      Third arm? I think Viagra only gives you a third leg. But that's not a side effect; that just means it's working. :-)

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    5. Re:Dell Commercial by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Dude, ask your doctor if Viagra is right for you."

      (much faster voice)"Possible side effects include extreme flatulence....
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  5. mirror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    looks like their almost slashdotted...

    A young Denver entrepreneur is creating buzz in advertising circles by turning a profit from junked TV commercials.

    Kevin Schaff recycles ads that cost anywhere from $50,000 to more than $1 million to produce, pitching them on the cheap to small businesses that can't afford the costly brainstorming, writing, filming, actors and editing that original productions require.

    Schaff's company, Thought Equity, gives small companies access to top creative talent without the hefty price tag, but experts say the new ground Schaff is plowing is fraught with risk.

    Thought Equity wipes the ads of all product and company references and resells them, typically for less than $10,000.

    Schaff is young - 29 - but he's no rookie. He started his first ad agency as a 19-year-old University of Wyoming student looking for something to put on his resume.

    Advertisement

    Most agencies that send Schaff commercials insist their names never be used because their original clients paid dearly for the original work.

    And the fact that Thought Equity is copying on the cheap raises legal questions, Advertising Age magazine editor Hoag Levins said.

    But Schaff argues that he's serving a market that could otherwise only dream of TV - the most expensive and, in some cases, most prestigious place to sell your wares.

    And he said he buys the rights to what he resells.

    "We're finding a market of people with $5,000 to $8,000 (budgets) that nobody wants to take on," Schaff said.

    Companies need to advertise on a local and regional basis, said Bart Cleveland, director of creativity for Sawyer Riley Compton, an Atlanta-based advertising firm.

    Thought Equity "gives businesses a central place to go," Cleveland said. As for the lack of originality, he said, "In our business, there is nothing new truly. We look at what life is and think of new applications for it."

    What differentiates Schaff's catalog of ads from typical stock footage and image companies is that Thought Equity sells an entire commercial, not just clips or pictures, and Schaff works across all industries, Cleveland said.

    Sawyer Riley Compton, whose clients include Philips Electronics, Dow Chemical and the Ritz-Carlton Hotel Co., has sent 12 ads to Thought Equity, including "Kung Fu," a humorous spot created for the Atlanta Ballet.

    The ballet wanted to lure a younger audience. But some board members frowned on the ad, which shows two young slackers faking kung fu fighting in their living room, so the ad went straight into the drawer.

    Two years later, a school for diesel auto repair and refinishing brought the spot back to life.

    WyoTech, which has a campus in Laramie, bought exclusive rights to air the ad locally.

    The Atlanta and Laramie versions are exactly the same, except for the ending.

    Kung Fu opens with two guys slouched in front of the TV. A commercial comes on and they're up and doing their own Jackie Chan riff, in slow motion, complete with sound effects. It ends when one guy leaps over the other, lands on the coffee table, which crashes to the floor.

    "Too much free time?" says the voice over. "Go see the ballet."

    The new version: "Everyone has skills. Some earn money. Enroll at WyoTech."

    "I actually think the ad is more appropriate for WyoTech than the Atlanta Ballet," Cleveland said.

    He declined to discuss what money changed hands but said Sawyer Riley shared its take on the resale of Kung Fu with the Atlanta Ballet.

    Thought Equity started recycling print ads two years ago. The firm has amassed a library of more than 6,000 ads, including more than 1,000 TV commercials, from 300 advertising firms and production companies nationwide, Schaff said.

    Thought Equity has recycled 25 of those commercials across the country since launching the TV side of its business this fall.

    To drum up fresh users for his ads, Schaff is going straight to where the need is

    1. Re:mirror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I think lot of clients, except for the smallest, (ie, even smaller than CmdrTaco's penis) might have a hard time seeing their ads cloned around the country," Levins said.

      you made me check if this was in the orginal article ;-)

    2. Re:mirror by NickFitz · · Score: 1, Funny

      Half an hour after your post, there is not the slightest evidence of the site being slashdotted.

      ...the smallest, (ie, even smaller than CmdrTaco's penis) might have...

      There is, however, evidence that you are a troll. Go away.

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    3. Re:mirror by krbvroc1 · · Score: 1

      Kung Fu opens with two guys slouched in front of the TV. A commercial comes on and they're up and doing their own Jackie Chan riff, in slow motion, complete with sound effects. It ends when one guy leaps over the other, lands on the coffee table, which crashes to the floor.
      "Too much free time?" says the voice over. "Go see the ballet."


      The newest version: "Mr. President, you really should be taking this job a little more serious."

  6. I can just imagine... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Come to your (chevy) store and get a new (chevy blazer) built (chevy) tough.

    1. Re:I can just imagine... by Adam.Steinbaugh · · Score: 1

      Will it still be the same classic rock song in the background, or another?

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    2. Re:I can just imagine... by silicon+not+in+the+v · · Score: 1

      I love Jack in the Box commercials for their cleverness. One of theirs was a fake truck commercial like this. It had a similar kind of classic rock song while it showed a big truck climbing a hill of large rocks. There was a big thunderstorm, and a little lamb was scared and stuck on top of this hill. Jack jumps out of the truck dressed entirely like one of those cowboy-big-truck guys, with jeans and boots and all--oh yeah, except for his giant white ball for a head. He runs through the storm to rescue the lamb. I think it's then that they show it's a commercial for a new burger they are introducting. Then the funniest part: They do one of those classic truck things where they are dumping a load of something from a front-end loader into the bed of the truck to show strong the suspension is, but the only thing that drops out of the bucket is one of those new burgers. It hits the truck bed with a giant thud, and the truck slams down onto the axle, like they had just photoshopped out a 2 ton boulder or something.

      They probably weren't technically re-using anyone else's footage, but it was a great use of a different commercial type to advertise something unrelated.

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  7. Ultimate ad secret by vivek7006 · · Score: 5, Funny

    1) Make an ad with bunch of hot chics in bikinis.

    2) Recycle this ad to sell anything from breakfast cereals to Pentium-4 chips

    3) Profit !!

    1. Re:Ultimate ad secret by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This gets a +4 funny mod? The "joke" that's been around for years? With spelling mistakes?!? For shame, Slashdot. For shame...

    2. Re:Ultimate ad secret by hurtstotouchfire · · Score: 5, Interesting
      I'm seeing this as a brilliant opportunity for more tongue in cheek ads. There are some ads I definitly wouldn't mind seeing recycled over and over again with different companies. Plus there's the added humor value of seeing a commercial that you know for sure used to be a weight-loss commercial and hey now it's a beer commercial!

      It's also beautiful in a philosophical sense, it just really shows how far our ads have drifted from the actual point of an ad, which I suppose is to say something about the product.

      I think it's all going to depend on this: "The key is how many clients are small enough and isolated enough and sophisticated enough to know they are isolated and still be willing to do this?"

      And also their media partners. They listed Comcast, Collegiate Images and Index stock on the home page. If they've got enough cash behind them, it's likely that the legal issues will be negotiable.

      Incidentally, can anyone find a clip of that beer commercial where they're making fun of the fact that they can't actually drink beer on television?

    3. Re:Ultimate ad secret by cfuse · · Score: 1

      1) Make an ad with an impossibly good looking family with 2.5 children and a golden retriever who never argue and always seem to be laughing/bonding.

      2) Recycle this ad to sell anything from breakfast cereals to Pentium-4 chips

      3) Incite the entire middle east to attack your flagrant display of globalisation.

      4) ?????

    4. Re:Ultimate ad secret by PReDiToR · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Thats unfortunate.

      In the UK we quite often get to watch some lucky b'stard making a meal of a condensation covered aluminium can of the most ice cold delicious yellow lager poured into a pre-chilled glass and left in a humid room just long enough for the girl in the commercial to disrobe and offer up her body to the guy who is about to drink the beer and then take the woman....

      Wait.. I had a point.. We get to see beer being drunk on TV in England.

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    5. Re:Ultimate ad secret by yoshi_mon · · Score: 1

      Wait.. I had a point.. We get to see beer being drunk on TV in England.

      Actually we do too. (Think Cheers. I think George Wendt said in one interview that he wasn't just drinking colored water thoughout all those eps.) Just not in our commercials. Go figure.

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    6. Re:Ultimate ad secret by Carewolf · · Score: 1

      What do you mean "you cant actually drink beer on television"?

      Then how do they censor "Cheers"?

    7. Re:Ultimate ad secret by kabocox · · Score: 1

      1 On Showtime & HBO one up them by making the hot chicks naked. (or in various states of undress.)
      2 Limit all items to things that the the girls can hold between their breasts.
      3 Profit.

    8. Re:Ultimate ad secret by Echnin · · Score: 1
      I don't know about the US, but in Norway these rules also apply for cigarettes. You can not show someone smoking in a commercial,but of course you can in a movie or TV show. The reason for this is pretty obvious; everything we see makes impressions even though it's often subconscious, so tobacco/alcohol companies would be very happy to put some users of their products in a positive situation for all to see; trendy people in an ad for khakis smoking cigs has an effect. This unconscious effect is explored by modernist authors such as Kurt Vonnegut.

      What were we talking about, again? Oh yeah, ads are stupid, anyway. I make a conscious effort to try to compensate for the advertising that I see by avoiding products that are advertised. Oh wait, that was off-topic too, wasn't it?

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    9. Re:Ultimate ad secret by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 1

      Recycle this ad to sell anything from breakfast cereals to Pentium-4 chips

      Or you could use it for a public service announcement. "It's spring break. Do you know where your children are?"

  8. Ad for Keanu Reeves movie #1000324 by mattjb0010 · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Whoa, dude!"

  9. This is your server.. by k98sven · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is your server running on Windows XP..
    *cracks egg*

    (Sorry.. too obvious?)

    1. Re:This is your server.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i'm crying i'm laughing so hard

    2. Re:This is your server.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry I fail to see the yolk!

    3. Re:This is your server.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, and aren't all government produced ads in the public domain already anyway? This would be legal.

  10. this reminds me of... by hookedup · · Score: 5, Funny


    The Simpsons Kamp Krusty episode, when 'Mr Black' was dubbed over Krusty's voice in the video.

    Krusty: (on TV) Hi Kids! Welcome to Kamp Krusty! Hoo huh hoo heh ha heh! I'll see you in a few weeks! Until then, I turn things over to my bestest buddy in the whole wide world, Mr. Black . I want you to treat Mr. Black with the same respect you would give me. Now here's Mr. Black

    1. Re:this reminds me of... by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Have you seen the ads for the law firm where the insurance exec says "He got Lawyer and Laywer. Let's settle this one."? They cut away from the actor's face right before he says the firm name. That's a generic ad. They run it in every TV market with a different law firm, using the same high technology used by Kamp Krusty.

      I wish I owned the company that made that ad for 20 grand and sold it to 50 law firms for 10 grand.

      -B

    2. Re:this reminds me of... by yerricde · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Which personal injury law firms, other than Glaser & Ebbs of Indiana, use that one?

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    3. Re:this reminds me of... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gary Martin Hayes in Atlanta, Georgia as I remember.

    4. Re:this reminds me of... by Sarcastic+nerd · · Score: 1

      Well, I've seen that commercial before, except it was for Jacoby & Myers of southern California. So, there's at least one other law firm using it.

    5. Re:this reminds me of... by superflippy · · Score: 1

      Aha! I wondered how a local law firm could afford a commercial with such high production values. It seems obvious in retrospect. This is the same ad campaign that has the bald guy saying, "Oh, you have a lawyer," and grimacing, right?

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    6. Re:this reminds me of... by Starrdanzr · · Score: 1

      Marks and Harrison uses that commercial in the Richmond, VA area. I know I saw it being used on TV in Seattle, WA. But, I can't remember the name of the law firm. You know it would be really interesting to find out how many different areas use this one?

    7. Re:this reminds me of... by IndependentVik · · Score: 1

      Kalfus and Nachman, Hampton Roads, VA.

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  11. Geez by Otter · · Score: 1, Interesting
    Sawyer Riley Compton, whose clients include Philips Electronics, Dow Chemical and the Ritz-Carlton Hotel Co., has sent 12 ads to Thought Equity, including "Kung Fu," a humorous spot created for the Atlanta Ballet.

    The ballet wanted to lure a younger audience. But some board members frowned on the ad, which shows two young slackers faking kung fu fighting in their living room, so the ad went straight into the drawer....

    Kung Fu opens with two guys slouched in front of the TV. A commercial comes on and they're up and doing their own Jackie Chan riff, in slow motion, complete with sound effects. It ends when one guy leaps over the other, lands on the coffee table, which crashes to the floor.

    "Too much free time?" says the voice over. "Go see the ballet."

    God, that's awful. Gives you some idea what to expect from "recycled advertising", if that's the jewel in their crown.

    1. Re:Geez by AchmedHabib · · Score: 1

      Yes, but all they need to replace is the "go see the ballet" with "Avoid injuries, Buy the new Nokia-n-Gage!" and the ad is back in business.

    2. Re:Geez by revery · · Score: 2, Funny

      God, that's awful. Gives you some idea what to expect from "recycled advertising", if that's the jewel in their crown.

      Yes... because all the other ballet commercials I've seen are so... hilarious...

    3. Re:Geez by anagama · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Did you read the article? I sure hope not.

      The ballet ad was the original. It was the the ballet company that decided not to use it. This guy bought it and sold it to a Vo-Tech school in Wyoming. So, they replaced the Ballet Co's ending with this:
      • "Everyone has skills. Some earn money. Enroll at WyoTech."

      This actually seems to fit the ad - the ad shows kids fooling around. Young kids usually need some kind of education. Then it gives a name of the school. Really quite clever - a ballet company recoups some costs for what would have been a stupid ad for them, a school which likely couldn't afford to make its own ad gets one that works fairly well.

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  12. That explains the commerical that was just on: by CSharpMinor · · Score: 3, Funny

    Want.

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    Obsession.

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    1. Re:That explains the commerical that was just on: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    2. Re:That explains the commerical that was just on: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would be funnier as an ad for herpes treatment.

    3. Re:That explains the commerical that was just on: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That explains it, I wondered why it came in 3 gallon containers.

  13. Hmm.. by noname3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wouldn't a familiar scene and tune already associated with another product just be free advertising for the previous product? If I see that "I am Canadian" speech in commercials, I'll still think of Molson even if it's about commemerative coins from the mint.

    When people use stock photos in ads they generally photoshop in other junk, but with tv commercials being so expensive I'm going to expect a lot of identical commercials with different names tacked on the end. After all, it's targeted to those with low budgets.

    1. Re:Hmm.. by NickFitz · · Score: 2, Informative

      RTFA. These are ads that were made but never used by the original client. Ergo nobody will find them familiar (except the film crew).

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    2. Re:Hmm.. by noname3 · · Score: 1

      They sell the same junked ads to different people. When you buy it you get the rights to it for 12 months for your intended market in a geographic area. Doesn't specify what area, price probably varies depending on whether you want exclusive use in the state or a city.

    3. Re:Hmm.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      please dont use the word ergo. i cant stop thinking about the matrix reloaded mtv spoof of the architect

      thankyou

  14. international reselling by attonitus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The article seems to talk about unused ads. However, I bet that there'd be companies that would be prepared to see an ad that actually aired reused overseas. A nice side effect of this would be that north americans might actually get to see some witty adverts if they had UK creatives working on them.

    1. Re:international reselling by Altima(BoB) · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ...Except that a lot of the wittiest ads here wouldn't go down well with the squeamish, thing is, here in Ireland (Same goes for the UK) 90% of the ads are just as dire as American ads. It's only the few gems that ever save advertising's reputation. Same situation as America. I wouldn't mind seeing the American gems shown here, and Euro excellence shown there, but let's not pretend that Irish / British advertising doesn't suck in general. :)

      I'm just imagining how popular a particular Dutch ad I once saw would be... It showed a nice family piling into their little Saab, Mom, Dad, two kids, they start the car and the radio turns on. The song that plays is the "Outhere Brothers"' "I Wanna F*ck you in the Ass." The song plays a few seconds, then the family smiles and starts to bob their heads to the beat, and they drive away enjoying the music, when the words "Want to learn English?" appear.

      Of course that wouldn't work in most places, it was even banned I think, but that's the funniest ad I've seen in a while. Find it on Kazaa :D

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    2. Re:international reselling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, do tell, give me the name to search for.

    3. Re:international reselling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any specific search string? I can't find it

    4. Re:international reselling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if they had UK creatives working on them.

      Are these the same UK creatives that gave the UK 1 channel of television for like 30 years?

    5. Re:international reselling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "dutch ad" worked for me
      filename: dutch ad (hilarious).mpg

    6. Re:international reselling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've had a copy of that for a while... an alternative name you might try is "A Day Trip" (vary case and such as needed).

    7. Re:international reselling by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I seem to recall that the ad you are discussing was debunked. It was supposedly for the "soesmann language institute". The closing tagline was "ENGELS LEREN" and under it it had the one you mention, wanna learn english? Anyway, I remember someone saying that there was no soesmann language institute. I find web hits for "soesman" (for the commercial) so perhaps I'm remembering the spelling wrong.

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    8. Re:international reselling by Zeriel · · Score: 1

      That wasn't a "real" ad. If I recall correctly, it was made for a competition of advertising companies or colleges or something.

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    9. Re:international reselling by attonitus · · Score: 1

      Are these the same UK creatives that gave the UK 1 channel of television for like 30 years?

      Well, the UK had independent channels in the 1950s and a second ad-free channel in 1964.

      So no (and creatives tend not to be the ones deciding national television policy).

    10. Re:international reselling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If by "like 30" you mean about five, then maybe. The BBC broadcasted TV signals (in a form we'd recognize today as such - I'm not talking about their pre-war experimental Baird system broadcasts) in the early fifties, with ITV starting a few years later.

  15. Middle man? by Clinoti · · Score: 0
    They should just cut the middle man out completely and use cardboard cutouts with voiceovers and flash cards.

    Then again, here's how I see it:

    Buy (insert product here),

    the best (slander rest of competition here),

    we (possible guarantee here or fast announcer speaking).

    (10 seconds of fillspace, for next recycle or plug ANOTHER product for 1/2 price).

    Actual picture of product.

    Profit.

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    1. Re:Middle man? by jcam2 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Reminds me of that Simpsons episode in which Krusty has a generic ad in which he says "I heartily endorse this product or service".

  16. Yeah, sure, that'll work by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 4, Funny

    I can just picture the Chihuahua go "Yo quiero MSN" or "You got Windows, right?"

    Nah, that won't work ...

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    1. Re:Yeah, sure, that'll work by drinkypoo · · Score: 1
      Dinky with string attached to box: "Heeeeere, penguin penguin penguin".

      Dinky on the floor: "Yeah, drop the unlicensed install CD."

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  17. They're not talking about used ads. by musingmelpomene · · Score: 5, Informative

    They probably are talking about campaigns that you've never seen, because they were never used.

    I work at an advertising agency (I know, I know) and one of the most interesting things about it is to see how much money is wasted writing, editing, and producing ads that never see the light of day because the client thinks it's too edgy, or doesn't like blue carpet, or thinks the whole campaign is a bad idea because his sister told him so.

    At the end of all this, there are hundreds of commercials that are brilliantly done and well-produced - that you've never, ever seen. Many are probably edgier and more interesting than anything you've ever seen as a television ad.

    I'd be interested to see what these turn out to be!

    1. Re:They're not talking about used ads. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't stand in front of the snowball once it starts rollin', son.

    2. Re:They're not talking about used ads. by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
      Out of curiosity, what agency do you work for and what do you do there?

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    3. Re:They're not talking about used ads. by Kris_J · · Score: 1
      They probably are talking about campaigns that you've never seen, because they were never used.
      I'm glad I'm not the only one that read the story that way. It's not so much recycling as it is retasking -- the ads were never used a first time. And I see no indication that they'll revive the same ad for multiple clients either.

      There's an awful lot of waste in this world, it's nice to see someone trawling through the cutting room floor with an open mind.

    4. Re:They're not talking about used ads. by julesh · · Score: 1

      Glad to see somebody's finally actually thought about what that meant. I was thinking I might have to post that myself...

      I was wondering, how do they go about with the copyright implications. When my company hires a design company (we're a web site implementation company, we regularly contract design work to others), we get copyright on _all_ of the designs that are produced, whether we use them or not, because they are, effectively, works for hire (as in we are paying somebody to produce designs for us, it doesn't matter what we do with them).

      How do these people deal with this? Do people buying advertising expect to be able to control the work that they reject? I know I would be unhappy if I had paid for the development of an advert that later benefits somebody else.

    5. Re:They're not talking about used ads. by GuyZero · · Score: 1

      I was wondering, how do they go about with the copyright implications

      Did you read that article? He goes and gets sign-off from all parties involved. There's always the possibility of missing someone but he goes out of his way to deal with this. No SAG actors for example.

    6. Re:They're not talking about used ads. by wfberg · · Score: 1

      I'm glad I'm not the only one that read the story that way. It's not so much recycling as it is retasking -- the ads were never used a first time. And I see no indication that they'll revive the same ad for multiple clients either.

      They are, says so in the article - but only in different local or regional markets, so you'd only see it twice if you saw some ad on TV visiting your parents half way round the country for thanksgiving..

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    7. Re:They're not talking about used ads. by wfberg · · Score: 1

      I was wondering, how do they go about with the copyright implications. When my company hires a design company (we're a web site implementation company, we regularly contract design work to others), we get copyright on _all_ of the designs that are produced, whether we use them or not, because they are, effectively, works for hire (as in we are paying somebody to produce designs for us, it doesn't matter what we do with them).

      Actually, I'd check your contracts if I were you. The "works for hire" doctrine applies mainly to private individuals making stuff for their employer with no contract there to explicity take care of copyright issues. Even photographers will charge you an arm and a leg for reproducing a picture taken for you just one time more often than previously agreed upon - the notable exception being stock photos. I'd highly doubt ad companies would give you ALL the rights to their stuff, they'd be rather interested in residuals..

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    8. Re:They're not talking about used ads. by julesh · · Score: 1

      In the UK at least the law is clear on this matter - if you hire somebody (it doesn't matter whether they are an individual or a corporation, very few laws actually distinguish between the two) to perform some work and nothing else is agreed between you concerning it, you get the copyright.

      My suspicion is the law in the US is similar. But you're right about checking the contracts, and that's something that I've always been careful about.

      Photographers are actually notorious for this. I recall one time my company hired a photographer to take some photos for one of our clients (an IP law firm...!) and when we had paid for them the photos came back with a list of restrictions on use that was kind of hard to believe! Of course, there were no such terms mentioned in any contract, so good luck to him trying to enforce those terms of use! :-)

    9. Re:They're not talking about used ads. by wfberg · · Score: 1

      Photographers are actually notorious for this. I recall one time my company hired a photographer to take some photos for one of our clients (an IP law firm...!) and when we had paid for them the photos came back with a list of restrictions on use that was kind of hard to believe! Of course, there were no such terms mentioned in any contract, so good luck to him trying to enforce those terms of use! :-)

      I can only speak accurately for my jurisdiction, which is the Netherlands; here, most photographers are a member of an organization belonging to the photographers' federation, and they subscribe to their 'general conditions' - so you'll find a blurb along the lines of "the photographers' federations general conditions apply".

      Even without such a blurb (and the general conditions being deposited in some public place, traditionally the courthouse), those terms can be said to generally apply in the industry, since almost everyone adheres to them, and the photographer would have operated under the assumption that these terms were implied. Just like you can't wriggle your way out of an auctioneer's fee (usually 10%) when you buy something at an auction because you didn't sign anything to that effect.

      Anyway, I'm curious how this sort of stuff is done in the UK and US (it seems EULAs at least are not enforceable), so if any one would weigh in?

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    10. Re:They're not talking about used ads. by 5KVGhost · · Score: 1

      At the end of all this, there are hundreds of commercials that are brilliantly done and well-produced - that you've never, ever seen. Many are probably edgier and more interesting than anything you've ever seen as a television ad.

      No offense intended, but I think that's the biggest problem with advertising today. Everyone's more focused on the execution ("edgy") than on the product that you're supposed to be selling. You can do both, but most commercials don't--and commercials that can be trivially recycled for a completely different company clearly aren't saying much about the product.

      That's why people marvel at that catchy song or that hot chick in the commercial but can't for the life of them remember what the commercial was supposed to sell.

    11. Re:They're not talking about used ads. by julesh · · Score: 1

      In the UK, implied contract terms have no legal standing AFAIK. But in general, if the sums involved are small ( and may not be transferred to any third party; it may not be reproduced in print without the photographer's permission') can't be described as sensible because there is no real reason why a photographer has to operate in this fashion... and some don't, so a photographer would have to make such conditions clear.

      Of course, there are other conditions he doesn't necessarily have to make clear. For instance, he doesn't have to state that he retains all rights until he has been paid; that's only sensible. Unless he has stated otherwise he doesn't have to provide negatives. And so on.

      If you're dealing with things worth more than 5000 the rules change because you have to go to a different court to settle disputes that large. At that point, you'd better have a watertight written contract, because anything less and things could get very messy...

    12. Re:They're not talking about used ads. by julesh · · Score: 1

      [please ignore previous post; slashdot ate half of it]

      In the UK, implied contract terms have no legal standing AFAIK. But in general, if the sums involved are small (less than 5000 pounds, or about 8000 euros), the court will settle things on what seems sensible.

      If you wanted to sell an item at auction, then it would not be sensible to expect to do so without paying some kind of fee, so in this case, yes the auctioneer would probably get his money.

      However, bizarre terms and conditions on the use of a photograph (stuff like 'this photograph may be scanned for use on one web site only, which must be operated by [name of client] and may not be transferred to any third party; it may not be reproduced in print without the photographer's permission') can't be described as sensible because there is no real reason why a photographer has to operate in this fashion... and some don't, so a photographer would have to make such conditions clear.

      Of course, there are other conditions he doesn't necessarily have to make clear. For instance, he doesn't have to state that he retains all rights until he has been paid; that's only sensible. Unless he has stated otherwise he doesn't have to provide negatives. And so on.

      If you're dealing with things worth more than 5000 pounds the rules change because you have to go to a different court to settle disputes that large. At that point, you'd better have a watertight written contract, because anything less and things could get very messy...

  18. It's been done... "Your Name Here" by neurojab · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Have a look at "Your Name Here" on the internet archive... It's designed to be generic, and takes some great cheap shots at the advertising industry

    http://www.archive.org/movies/movies-details-db. ph p?collection=prelinger&collectionid=01681

    1. Re:It's been done... "Your Name Here" by SkArcher · · Score: 2, Funny

      As Carrots Commercial Breakdown pointed out years ago, 'If you want to sell Womens Underwear, your show a woman walking around in her underwear. If you want to sell Margerine, you show a woman walking around in her underwear...'

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    2. Re:It's been done... "Your Name Here" by beebware · · Score: 1

      Same with magazine covers: Got a magazine for women? Get a nice looking woman on the front cover. Got a magazine about computers? Get a nice looking woman on the front cover. Got a mans magazine? Get a nice looking woman on the front cover... (note: there is an exception to this rule - magazines such as "Gay Times" which cater to the homosexual market usually have men on the cover, unless of course, they are doing a "lesbian special" or something similar when they'll probably have a nice looking woman on the front cover..)

    3. Re:It's been done... "Your Name Here" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This information on materials commonly read by the gay community; you seem to have much of it.

  19. only unaired ads? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    there's some indication that they're reselling ads that were junked:
    But some board members frowned on the
    ad ... so the ad went straight into the drawer.

  20. Recycle *Old* Ads? by graveyardjohn · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Heck, they're recycling *new* adverts for different regions of the world! When a firm can't be bothered to shoot a new advert for a product, no matter how cheap the first advert was, they just chuck some voice-over actors into an overdub studio for a different world market. It really instills confidence in the product and respect for their intended audience.

    And in some cases, adverts are recycled from pop-culture, current affairs, and famous events. Tons of adverts barely even feature the product in question. Should anyone remember the product the old advert was selling, there could be some interesting humourous cut-and-paste opportunities in the offing....

    1. Re:Recycle *Old* Ads? by yobbo · · Score: 4, Funny

      Voiceover? What's that? Our Subway ads in Australia have the same old yank talking. Their advertising pitch also says how many pounds some fat prick lost..... we use metric buddy, NFI what a pound is.

    2. Re:Recycle *Old* Ads? by gl4ss · · Score: 1, Informative

      ** Voiceover? What's that? Our Subway ads in Australia have the same old yank talking. Their advertising pitch also says how many pounds some fat prick lost..... we use metric buddy, NFI what a pound is.**

      obviously you do speak english there(that the yank is also speaking, even if it's different dialect).

      however there's lots of shit commercials over here in finland about products like soaps, hair care & etc that have been voiceovered into speaking finnish, some very badly too.

      it would hardly matter if they were subtitled instead of being dubbed, it would even have more believability if they were(iirc some do) but i guess you don't hear the subtitles to another room.

      however i haven't really watched the tv in 3 weeks now..

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    3. Re:Recycle *Old* Ads? by mabinogi · · Score: 1

      Subway ads really bug me...
      Every time I hear one the only message it gives me is "Fuck you Australia, we don't even care enough about you to hire a cheap local voice actor, buy something or not, who gives a shit?"

      All the other American fast food companies either produce local ads, or at least redub them.

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    4. Re:Recycle *Old* Ads? by YOU+LIKEWISE+FAIL+IT · · Score: 2, Funny

      I've noticed this too. Nearly every car commercial I see has printed down the bottom in itty-bitty letters "overseas model shown". Uhhh... what's the point of showing it to me if it's not the model I can buy?

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    5. Re:Recycle *Old* Ads? by turpie · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm not sure whats worse the Subway ads with the US accents or all the other imported ads that have been so obviously redubbed. At least the Subway ads are honest in cheapness.

      I don't mind when the ads look expensive, but when its something stupid like two women talking about dishwashing liquid thats a different matter. How come the local transmission specialist can put more effort into his ads in a regional city of 150,000 people, than a multinational company advertising nationwide.

      The funny thing about the Subway ads are that we didn't get all the early Jared ads, so the only reason we know about him is because of the SouthPark sendup. I can just picture the executives seeing Jareds exposure through SouthPark as a good reason to bring his ads out to Australia.

    6. Re:Recycle *Old* Ads? by krbvroc1 · · Score: 0, Funny

      Voiceover? What's that? Our Subway ads in Australia have the same old yank talking. Their advertising pitch also says how many pounds some fat prick lost..... we use metric buddy, NFI what a pound is.

      Deal with it. We've got to listen to the incessant 'Outback Steakhouse' Aussie voiceover telling us "No rules, just right". And then of course there is the Aussie lad telling us that "Fosters is Australian for Beeeer". You people don't even drink that stuff and it's really imported from Canada.

      The pounds you'll lose at Subway refers to the British pound. Rather than shoot an Aussie version they recycled the brit versio. The commercial with Jared playing the didgeridoo didn't do well with focus groups, especially the Aboriginal subway patrons.

    7. Re:Recycle *Old* Ads? by LupusUF · · Score: 2, Informative

      It is a different situation as in most comercials, since Jared is not an actor. He is a real person who lost a ton of weight who goes around telling his story (he gets paid for speaking gigs as well). Other food companies hire actors anyway, so it makes more sense to replace their voices.

    8. Re:Recycle *Old* Ads? by krbvroc1 · · Score: 1

      who scored this as flamebait, it was supposed to be funny!

    9. Re:Recycle *Old* Ads? by Guppy06 · · Score: 1

      "Their advertising pitch also says how many pounds some fat prick lost..... we use metric buddy, NFI what a pound is."

      That's because saying you lost 20 pounds sounds more impressive than saying you lost 10 kilos. Duh!

    10. Re:Recycle *Old* Ads? by ePhil_One · · Score: 3, Funny
      That's because saying you lost 20 pounds sounds more impressive than saying you lost 10 kilos. Duh!

      Oviously you fix the ad to say "This fat prick just lost 10,000 grams eating hoagies, and you could to!"

      Ten Thousand is a pretty big number

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    11. Re:Recycle *Old* Ads? by operagost · · Score: 1

      I tell everyone I lost 10,000 grams. Whoo hoo!

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    12. Re:Recycle *Old* Ads? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It IS funny. Sometimes mods jus' don't get it.

    13. Re:Recycle *Old* Ads? by raymondbesse · · Score: 1
      how many pounds some fat prick lost..... we use metric buddy, NFI what a pound is.

      A pound is the traditional currency of England.

      Despite the fake American accents, Jared is actually a Brit, and he's actually bragging about how much money he spent to eat healthy shit instead of fried scrod and chips every day.

    14. Re:Recycle *Old* Ads? by ShadowRage · · Score: 1

      learn our system then, you backwards, upside down kangaroo eater!

      hmmph, those aussies and their "metric system"!

    15. Re:Recycle *Old* Ads? by mawwuk · · Score: 1

      Hahaha... well over here they do voice over the adds (in the Netherlands) Especially the ones for hair products and washing products... I don't know why those are the ones that are voiced-over most...

    16. Re:Recycle *Old* Ads? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well considering the fact that the Metric Conversion Act was passed in 1970, you should at least have SOME idea of what a pound is.

    17. Re:Recycle *Old* Ads? by Dave2+Wickham · · Score: 1

      "Our new XML transaction system just saved us a nickel!" -- MS Windows Server 2003 ad. In the UK.

      Bleh.

    18. Re:Recycle *Old* Ads? by FinestLittleSpace · · Score: 0

      Very intelligent comment. We must therefore make assuptions that all arab people are criminals and idiots, 'cos like, a few arabs have commited crimes.

    19. Re:Recycle *Old* Ads? by eeeuh · · Score: 1

      No they aren't voiced over, there's just stuff in
      the products that makes your mouth move strangely
      when you're talking :-P

    20. Re:Recycle *Old* Ads? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NFI what a pound is.

      Apparently, it is what happens to your ass everyday.

    21. Re:Recycle *Old* Ads? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Fuck me Freddy, you Englishmen and Australians are funny as 'el. W00t!

    22. Re:Recycle *Old* Ads? by silicon+not+in+the+v · · Score: 1

      The first ads I thought of being recycled were the Mentos commercials. They are made in Germany I think to be shown in the U.S., so they have no dialog in them. They just overlay some song on it. The best thing about reusing them is that they never have ANYTHING to do with Mentos. Guy is in some very difficult situation, pops a Mento, and then finds some clever way out of or around it. You could replace the Mentos with Certs, candy bars, toothpaste, deodorant, athlete's foot spray, etc. They would have to clip that couple of seconds where he puts one in his mouth if they wanted to use it for a non-food item.

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    23. Re:Recycle *Old* Ads? by malsdavis · · Score: 1

      As an Australian I have absolutly no idea how much a pound weighs. I remeber hearing once a foot is about 1/3 a metre or something (whoever decided that length must have had very big feet) and an inch is twice a centimeter.

      But thats about it. Once a country has switched to a logical mesauring system theres no real point learning the lengths of a wierd, inferior system only one country (out of countries that matter) on the other side of the world uses.

    24. Re:Recycle *Old* Ads? by Mysticalfruit · · Score: 1

      Personally, every time I see those stupid Jared Subway commerials, I just cringe.

      The problem with them is that their solution to the countries obesity problem is to eat more fast food.

      Though I do like the "What would Jared do" ads. At least it would seem they can laugh at their own obsurdity. Which in a world of overly PC crap, is refreshing.

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    25. Re:Recycle *Old* Ads? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I'm not sure whats worse the Subway ads with the US accents or all the other imported ads that have been so obviously redubbed. At least the Subway ads are honest in cheapness.

      Yo we Americans don't have accents, everyone else has accents! We sound normal.

    26. Re:Recycle *Old* Ads? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn Skippy

    27. Re:Recycle *Old* Ads? by mabinogi · · Score: 1

      it wasn't the Jared ones that bother me so much, though the voiceover guy the have introducing him does bother me...
      But all their ads give the impression that they're just shipped straight over here and played....

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    28. Re:Recycle *Old* Ads? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      American accents? What? americans don't have an accent, duh ;)

    29. Re:Recycle *Old* Ads? by eam · · Score: 1

      Of course, I'd bet most of the U.S. is pretty well sick of seeing that guy anyway.

  21. Re:keep trolling trollin trollin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nice subscription you have to a media frenzy there. Whatever happened to "Innocent until proven guilty". Morons like you who don't THINK shit me.

  22. Great by macemoneta · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now even the commercials are in reruns.

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    1. Re:Great by Mentorix · · Score: 1

      you're watching too much tv dude, commercials are being rerun all the friggin' time!

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    2. Re:Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wouldnt that mean that he didnt watch enough tv? if he didnt know that they play comericals more than once.

  23. Makes sense by Punchcardz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Frankly it makes sense. How many ads anymore about "selling a lifestyle" and associating your product with it, instead of "why this particular product is great!" Sure they might be hollow and not about a given product, but based on their prevalence, they must work.

    1. Re:Makes sense by musingmelpomene · · Score: 1

      Of course. Most products today are parity products - that is, there's no discernable germane difference between a product and its direct competitors. Therefore, you don't sell the product - you sell ideas. You sell images, lifestyles. Without these images and ideas, there'd be nothing separating most categories of parity products.

    2. Re:Makes sense by YOU+LIKEWISE+FAIL+IT · · Score: 2, Insightful
      you don't sell the product - you sell ideas. You sell images, lifestyles.

      Mmm, this isn't a new development, really, people have been commenting on it at least as far back as the followers of Epicurius.

      Sadly, I can't remember any of the details, but one of his followers at once point started something like a counter-advertising campaign, involving a giant run of stone inscribed with epicurean ideas deposited into the middle of the market place, writ large with slogans like 'Buying these things will not make you happy.', right behind the vendors stalls! Must have been a popular guy.

      It's kind of sad though, the next time an ad is run featuring a 4WD churning up the tundra, or racing across the desert, its the freedom and adventure they bait people in with - but all they can really offer you is a car.

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  24. MOD THIS SHIT DOWN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    mod this asshat down, all he did was cut and paste half the article here, why is this insightful????

  25. I've been doing the same thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...but with webpages. I remove all references to the original company, but have missed a few meta tags from time to time.

    1. Re:I've been doing the same thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See, now this is funny. Of course, since it's posted by an Anonymous Coward it gets no mod points. Comments less than half as funny get at least one point for being "Interesting" or "Amusing." Fuck you, mods.

  26. Already happens... by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 2, Informative

    The number of ads that I've seen in Britain with badly dubbed over voices with lip-synching that's totally screwed has risen dramatically over the last five years.

    In most cases, the lip-synching is slightly out, meaning that the ad was probably filmed in English but originally shot overseas somewhere (US, Australia, etc). Companies that have done this include Coca-Cola for Diet Coke, Just For Men hair colourant and, ridiculously, a hair product for women that dubbed out Andie McDowell's beautiful southern drawl with that of another American!

    However, on at least one ad i've seen the lip-synching was totally screwed and there was no correlation between the lip movements and the words being spoken - clearly, this was an ad that was shot in another European country and in another language but with English voices dubbed over the top. Frankly, I felt that it was so tacky that it made the product look bad.

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    1. Re:Already happens... by iantri · · Score: 1
      In most cases, the lip-synching is slightly out, meaning that the ad was probably filmed in English but originally shot overseas somewhere (US, Australia, etc). Companies that have done this include Coca-Cola for Diet Coke, Just For Men hair colourant and, ridiculously, a hair product for women that dubbed out Andie McDowell's beautiful southern drawl with that of another American!

      What exactly does this acheive? What's wrong with a British advert having an American (or Australian) announcer and conversely, what's wrong with an American (or Australian) advert having a British announcer?

      This seems as ridiculous as the dubbing of Mad Max for the American market...

    2. Re:Already happens... by beebware · · Score: 1

      Kinder Egg (the childrens chocolate with a toy) is probably the "really bad dub" one you are thinking of. Whenever it came on, it made me wince as the dubbing was so bad. Oh - and the pump'n'fresh advert with the oriental boy in the bathroom: I think he said around four words (and one of those was "Phewww") and that was badly dubbed as well.

    3. Re:Already happens... by herulach · · Score: 1

      But who cares about the Kinder ads being dubbed over? They did make the one good one that was obviously english (for that digusting biscuity thing they made, beano or something), where else has corner shops like that? But who cares anyway, the dont need to advertise kinder surprise, theyre the best thing ever. Me and my housemates are on about 2 a day each i think. Who needs advertising when theres an entire generation of people absolutely addicted to the things? And who the hell thought of those stupid statueette things, I want a construction toy dammit! Not a little plastic gnome, or a jigsaw or some such.

  27. Ridiculous by fleener · · Score: 1

    I would be enranged if a different company began using my TV ad. My customers associate the original ad with my company. It doesn't matter if you remove my name and logo, the whole ad represents me.

    I remember "I'd like to buy the world a Coke" or "Where's the beef?" or "Please don't squeeze the Sharman." Swap out the product or company name and people still remember the original.

    I'm surprised (apparently?) that ad agencies own the advertisements being produced.

    1. Re:Ridiculous by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      did you RTFA? it's about UNRELEASED ad's not "the best part of waking up is folgers^H^H^H^H^H^H^HTropicana orange juice in your cup

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    2. Re:Ridiculous by musingmelpomene · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How is this ridiculous?

      No one's talking about using long-running, successful campaigns. They're talking about using campaigns the clients have rejected, the campaigns and ads that end up on the cutting room floor (which almost happened to "where's the beef" and "I'd like to buy the world a Coke", incidentally).

      This is a great, cost effective way for ad agencies to generate revenue even with the ads that don't end up used - and a good way for creative departments to use their more innovative ads that are often dismissed out of hand by clients.

    3. Re:Ridiculous by sfe_software · · Score: 1

      I would be enranged if a different company began using my TV ad.

      So would I.

      But I don't think that's what's going on here. They are mostly recycling ads that have never been used. Ads that were produced but either weren't used by the client, or for whatever reason never made it to the general public.

      I don't think you'll hear anyone saying "I'd like to buy the world a Pepsi" or "Please don't squeeze the Quilted Northern". Remember, those companies own the rights to the slogans and likely the ads themselves.

      The article does mention that there may be duplicate commercials used for more than one *small* company (most likely local ads in different regions). However, I don't think you will see any large-budget ads recycled, especially those containing copyrighted/trademarked slogans, songs, etc. I'm sure that only smaller agencies, and those who have surplus content (commercials produced but never used) would participate in something like this.

      And damn you for getting that Coke commercial's song stuck in my head ;)

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    4. Re:Ridiculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would be enranged if a different company began using my TV ad. My customers associate the original ad with my company.

      Well then maybe you should read the contract before having an ad agency produce your advertisement. They own it. Just like record companies own artists' music and a certain software company owns all of the code I write.

    5. Re:Ridiculous by trg83 · · Score: 1

      The way you spelled the "bathroom tissue" brand implies that you only listen to the radio. It's C-h-a-r-m-i-n. Perhaps you were confusing it with the word "shaman," a mystic-minded medicine man.

    6. Re:Ridiculous by fleener · · Score: 1

      No, I googled the word. Plenty of people conceive of that word in a fashion that differs from the manufacturer's original intention.

    7. Re:Ridiculous by anagama · · Score: 1

      Most would be outraged too if they didn't give permision. However:

      • Thought Equity gets agreement from any and all parties to get exclusive worldwide distribution rights, Schaff said. Thought Equity also doesn't use ads featuring actors who belong to the Screen Actors Guild.

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  28. Here's one I made earlier.. by adeyadey · · Score: 1

    "Hands that do dishes can be as soft as your face, with Mild Green.. Carling Black Label!"

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  29. Actors getting paid again? by xenoc_1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Nowhere in the article nor on their site did I see anything about the actors getting additional residuals. Even in major cities, most "working actors" are barely making it, working day jobs in IT or restaurants or wherever, and occassionally getting a commercial for scale.

    Wonder if the kung-fu guys knew their work was being reused years later. Whatever the original actors' contract said, it's certainly unfair to "re-purpose" these ads for additional advertisers without additional compensation. Wonder what SAG or AFTRA would have to say.

    1. Re:Actors getting paid again? by mrbill · · Score: 4, Informative

      Doesn't really matter, if they were paid as a work-for-hire, or were paid scale by the hour. Most likely, they were paid for the work they did, and the ad agency owns all rights to the commercial.

      A similar example - I wrote a chapter for a computer book a couple of years ago, and was paid per-page for the work I did. I found out a year or so later that they (the publishing company) had re-used my chapter in a newer edition of the book (Solaris 9 cert study guide versus the Sol8 one I wrote for) . However, that was well within their right, as it was a work-for-hire and they owned all rights to what I'd produced and could do what they wanted with it.

    2. Re:Actors getting paid again? by drix · · Score: 1

      "Thought Equity also doesn't use ads featuring actors who belong to the Screen Actors Guild."

      Right there in the friggin' article.

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    3. Re:Actors getting paid again? by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1
      Nowhere in the article nor on their site did I see anything about the actors getting additional residuals.
      The article says they don't use ads that feature SAG members, so the actors are probably getting zilch.
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    4. Re:Actors getting paid again? by CleverNickName · · Score: 5, Informative

      Doesn't really matter, if they were paid as a work-for-hire, or were paid scale by the hour. Most likely, they were paid for the work they did, and the ad agency owns all rights to the commercial.


      Actually, it does matter. I am a former board member at SAG, and I was on the negotiating team for the last TV and Theatrical contract. I know most of the people who negotiated our Commercial contract, and I've been a member of the union for over 25 years.

      Our contracts are really clear about this sort of thing. While the ad agency may own the creative rights to the commercial, if the ad was produced by a signatory agency, using union actors, the agency has to go back and renegotiate with the actors if they hope to "repurpose" the ad. Usually, this results in the actors getting a "buy out" for a certain number of cycles and markets. My mom just went through this with a commercial she did over a year ago, that the agency is bringing back next month.

      This protection is one of the many benefits SAG and AFTRA members have. I used to do improv with this girl who was in an AOL commercial. I don't reacall what it was about, but it ran almost every break, nationally and on cable, a few years ago. She wasn't in the union, and did the spot as a non-union hire. She got a "buy out" from the agency . . . for 500 dollars. Had it been a SAG job, she would have made more than that for the session fee, and at least ten times that on residuals. As it ended up, that one day's worth of work really hurt her, because those geniuses at all the ad agencies immediately labled her "The AOL Girl," and wouldn't hire her for anything else.

      A similar example - I wrote a chapter for a computer book a couple of years ago, and was paid per-page for the work I did. I found out a year or so later that they (the publishing company) had re-used my chapter in a newer edition of the book (Solaris 9 cert study guide versus the Sol8 one I wrote for) . However, that was well within their right, as it was a work-for-hire and they owned all rights to what I'd produced and could do what they wanted with it.

      The comparison you made between writing work and SAG work is interesting, but it's really not valid. That comparison would apply more toward something the work I did on TNG. While I "created" Wesley Crusher, and my likeness is inextricably linked with him, if Paramount wants to write "The Adventures Of Wesley Crusher At Star Fleet Academy" as a series of books for kids, they can do that, and I they don't owe me a cent. They own the character the same way the company you wrote for owns your work. If they want to sell an action figure that's clearly my likeness, they have to pay me royalties on that. (But, since it's Paramount, I usually end up with .00006 % of what I'm actually owed.)

    5. Re:Actors getting paid again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Didn't you die a few months ago? I know you became irrelevant years ago, but I could swear I heard that you were dead now too...

    6. Re:Actors getting paid again? by Colonel+Cholling · · Score: 1

      While I "created" Wesley Crusher, and my likeness is inextricably linked with him

      Reminds me of the Halloween movies: The mask Mike Meyers (the serial killer, not the SNL alumnus) wears is supposedly a kid's Captain Kirk Halloween mask painted white. I always wondered if Shatner got any royalties for those movies. I'm guessing no.

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    7. Re:Actors getting paid again? by BrynM · · Score: 1

      By God you're right! Info on the Kirk Mask can be found here and the original ad for the mask is here.

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    8. Re:Actors getting paid again? by BrynM · · Score: 1

      Oops! Shoulda hit "preview". This is the info and this is the image. Sorry.

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  30. Re:keep trolling trollin trollin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    innocent? sure sure ... there there go michael free michael... fsckoff

  31. That ad *was* recycled... by Goonie · · Score: 4, Funny
    Well, not actually recycled, but remade (with all the Canadian references replaced with Australian ones) to sell Fosters Lager on Australian TV during the Sydney Olympics. The Fosters version was worse, however. The Molson ad was clearly tongue-in-cheek, but the Fosters ad took itself seriously.

    At least it failed - no self-respecting Aussie drinks Fosters, then or now:)

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    1. Re:That ad *was* recycled... by noname3 · · Score: 1

      You're kidding! Oh, I'd have loved to see that! Just curious- what did they name the sportsguy? Everyone knows Joe as "that I am Canadian guy," but who's the I am Australian guy?

    2. Re:That ad *was* recycled... by noname3 · · Score: 1

      sportsguy = spokesguy. I really oughta proofread.

    3. Re:That ad *was* recycled... by crabpeople · · Score: 1

      spokesman

      maybe you should proofthink

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    4. Re:That ad *was* recycled... by amokk · · Score: 1

      Australians claim they don't drink Fosters but that's just pride.

      Apparently, the same brewery that makes Fosters repackages that EXACT SAME BEER under a different name so that it sells in Australia. Then, Australians who don't know that they are drinking the exact same thing as common tourists enjoy a chuckle amongst themselves.

      Or so I hear.

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    5. Re:That ad *was* recycled... by herulach · · Score: 1

      You think Anheuser-Busch makes different kinds of beer to go in Busch, Bud, and Michelob? Hell, i wouldnt be surprised if Bud light is just the same as Bud, but with 'extra ingredients' (read water) added.

    6. Re:That ad *was* recycled... by Colonel+Cholling · · Score: 1

      "Foster's-- Australian for Canadian Beer!"

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  32. This should be obvious, but... by flynns · · Score: 1

    ...in Soviet Russia, the commercials recycle YOU! ...yeah.

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  33. Re:free jacko by richy+freeway · · Score: 1

    Here's hoping they start advertising English lessons.

  34. Sweet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Interracial furry porn!

  35. that reminds me by AchmedHabib · · Score: 2, Funny

    Have anyone seen that new ad with a frogs in a row, down in the swamp, advertising for that new dish washer?

  36. Sometimes I get that not-so-fresh feeling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I was thinking more along the lines of Iron Eyes Cody (The crying Indian from those Keep America Beautiful ads) walking up to the monitor to observe the shockingly garish XP desktop theme. A tear runs silently down his left cheek. Que ending credit: "People Start Polluting the server room, People Can Stop It"

    1. Re:Sometimes I get that not-so-fresh feeling by operagost · · Score: 1

      Especially since Windows XP is a desktop and not a server OS. The server product is called, amazingly enough, Windows Server. But I wouldn't expect the trollers here to notice that.

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    2. Re:Sometimes I get that not-so-fresh feeling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Que ending credit: "People Start Polluting the server room, People Can Stop It"


      That's "cue" assfuck.

    3. Re:Sometimes I get that not-so-fresh feeling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When did "desktop" become a euphemism for "broken"?

  37. i feel good... by ambienceman · · Score: 0

    I wonder who the James Brown of commercials is because he will be making some big bucks. The hardest working man in TV advertising...

  38. Re:keep trolling trollin trollin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stupid advert for a dumb websyste... Politrix - get a fscking clue...

  39. that's sad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    very sad

  40. "Where's the beef?!" by stubblehead · · Score: 1

    *This ad courtesy of Toyota*

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  41. I just saw one of those: by paiute · · Score: 1

    Mama mia! Thats a spicy

    enterprise server.

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  42. read the article. by Coventry · · Score: 1

    Quote:

    Thought Equity gets agreement from any and all parties to get exclusive worldwide distribution rights, Schaff said. Thought Equity also doesn't use ads featuring actors who belong to the Screen Actors Guild.

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    1. Re:read the article. by xenoc_1 · · Score: 1

      Read it the first time. Doesn't mean SAG wouldn't be interested. This gives even more reason for them to protest against non-union shoots. Also it doesn't mention AFTRA, which represents actors in much television work.

      Yes, contractually it may be a work-for-hire. But it's not right to re-use this for an entirely new client as an entirely new ad. The actors knew they were doing a spot for "client X". They wouldn't have had any idea that they also might be doing the same work for clients Y and Z.

    2. Re:read the article. by Coventry · · Score: 1

      Ah, I took your mention of SAG to mean you wondered if they knew SAG actors were having their works reused, not the way you intended, my bad.

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  43. TAnother option... by tinrobot · · Score: 1

    From a production standpoint, it might be easier to create a brand new commercial that the customer can (insert product name here) than manipulating old commercials. You could then sell it by region so that no two areas see the same ad for different products.

    This is also better in that customers would see it as a 'new' commercial rather than associate it with the old product...

    I can see it now... a commercial for bug spray being mophed into a commercial for hair spray.

    Of course, it might cost a little more, but it coul be another niche...

  44. I can see it now... by JoeShmoe · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sappy slow music plays. We zoom in on two women walking along the beach.

    Young woman: Mom, can I ask you a personal question?

    Older woman: Sure dear, what?

    Young woman: Have you ever...you know...felt LIKE USING AOL?

    Older woman: Oh my goodness. Yes dear, there have been times like that, times when I wasn't feeling so fresh. That's why I always trust EARTHLINK. You see, EARTHLINK gives me back that clean feeling.

    Young woman: Really mother? How does it work?

    Older woman: You simply insert the EARTHLINK applicator into your CDROM DRIVE and let it cleanse and soothe your COMPUTER.

    Yound woman: Wow mom, that sounds like just what I need, where can I get EARTHLINK?

    Older woman: I have some right here in my purse!

    (Laughter)

    - JoeShmoe
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    1. Re:I can see it now... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is this troll? This is god-damned funny!

  45. whatever works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've worked in video before so maybe that gives me a different perspective. I think it sounds like a good way to make a fast buck. It takes very expensive editing equipment to clean up video and audio and make it look good. I'm talking $100,000 and up - the sky's the limit there. You need video editing software too like Adobe Premier and stuff. If my friend would let me use his editing room I already would be. He's a dick about it though.

  46. Which ads to recycle? by RealProgrammer · · Score: 2, Funny

    I just hope the Miller Lite fountain wrestlers get used for EVERYTHING.

    (I know the deal is reusing commercials that never got used, but this is more fun)

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  47. Re:keep trolling trollin trollin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if the shoe fits....

  48. Aha! by mog007 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Maybe we could recruit Tux to be the new spokesman for Trojan..

    For the ultimate in safety... choose Linux.

    1. Re:Aha! by wed128 · · Score: 2, Informative

      the number one product in the prevention of viruses and unwanted child processes!

    2. Re:Aha! by user32.ExitWindowsEx · · Score: 1

      Nope...not gonna work since most Linux users won't ever need to purchase said products.

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    3. Re:Aha! by TKinias · · Score: 1

      scripsit wed128:

      [Linux as] the number one product in the prevention of viruses and unwanted child processes!

      What's more, it also works as an extremely effective contraceptive.

      You can't get a girl pregnant if you never get laid.

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  49. *sigh* by LordLucless · · Score: 5, Informative

    For all the people who didn't read the article, but commented anyway:

    This company is NOT re-using previously aired ads. They are taking ads that were filmed, but never aired, giving them a once over, then selling them. They are buying these ads off the company that filmed them. They are not ripping off other companies commercials, icons, or jingles. They are buying other companies rejects, improving them, then selling them.

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    1. Re:*sigh* by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      other glaring errors....

      TV ads cost anywhere between $50,000 and $1 million and small businesses usually cannot afford an original production.

      this is a out and out lie. Commercials cost Much less than this to produce. Those prices are for the high budget-no limits ad's where they crash cars, blow up buildings, or set fire to Michael Jackson.

      A high quality commercial can be shot for $20,000.00. In fact that cheap of a commercial has won an addy.

      Most commercials are made for $7000 - $20,000 range and very VERY few are in the range quoted in the article and story header.

      I know, I work where commercials are made every day.

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  50. Fantasic and why not? by CrackedButter · · Score: 1


    I had this thought awhile back.
    Why don't we recycle adverts that havn't dated? The next and future generations of society is unaware of them unless a specific education course teaches them about ad history. Alot of people would be unaware of them and its like showing a new dog old tricks, its would still have to learn them.
    Why would you waste more money on new ads when your target market has never seen a older advert that has already aired, gets its message across and does the job already. This is great.

    1. Re:Fantasic and why not? by thilmony · · Score: 1

      branding and image. Companies re-engineering their brand and image all the time. Say if you're Pepsi... the logo and image in the ads change.

      But, the old Pepsi Michael Jackson always is a classic...

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    2. Re:Fantasic and why not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the joy of raping children?

      or or

      children, always fresher

      de ne ne ne ne always raping children

    3. Re:Fantasic and why not? by CrackedButter · · Score: 1

      I did say to reuse adverts that HAVN'T dated btw but you make a valid point which can still apply.

  51. Hmm... not really seeing this as a big money maker by popo · · Score: 3, Informative

    Advertising agencies typically make most of their revenue as buyers and resellers of media. The "creative" tends to be a small part of the overall billing. (In fact, in the old days ad agencies didn't charge fees for their creative services *at all*, revenues were generated by purchasing blocks of media at a discount from the broadcast companies, and upselling the media to the client. The creative was a 'free' service that the agency used to provide for the right to sell the client the airtime). Today ad agencies bill at rates that are closer to traditional service companies, but: in the broadcast advertising realm, these billings still don't come close to the revenue generated from a single network media buy.

    In other words: If your client is buying airtime on broadcast television -- he's probably not going to nickel and dime you on the creative.

    Second -- the really *choice* old spots are owned by the companies that paid for them -- even if they never aired. If a repurposed spot costs about $10k, it means the rights to the old footage cost far less than that. I can't imagine many big companies being interested in selling their old footage for small change like that...
    And if its not a big company, the spot probably sucked anyway. So my guess is while this sounds like a new groovy digital rights marketplace, its probably full of dreck.

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  52. $50000? by t_allardyce · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If he had the original material that could be pretty easy (just get the the master that doesnt have captions on it) but otherwise does he just blur it out? I dunno about $50000, some of the ads i see on tv look like they were done with a camcorder on a street corner.. oh wait they were!

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  53. D'oh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why does a Simpsons quote get a +3 Informative rating?

    "D'oh!" should be worth a +5 Interesting, if my calculations are correct. Fuckin' mods...

  54. Kung-Pow by zelurxunil · · Score: 1

    Just think all that fun packed into 30 seconds...next thing you know it they will insert random sounds, and french aliens.

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  55. Ok, how bout this then? by Gldm · · Score: 1

    Why not pass a hat around and get enough money for a "linux" substitution in Apple's 1984 commercial? Never saw that one on TV enough anyway.

    Hmm, so what about copyright issues on this? Do the companies that made the original commercials get any say in this matter? If you went through with that idea I'd imagine Apple would be pretty unhappy.

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  56. Hey kids, let's learn how to make links! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    1. Re:Hey kids, let's learn how to make links! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're too lazy to copy URLs into a browser window, so you spend 10X as much time making an HTML link? Bravo. You're smart.

  57. and here I've been fearing by dandelion_wine · · Score: 2, Interesting

    a return of "it's that big hunk of FUDGE" or worse yet "where's the beef?"

    when what I should have been fearing is commercials that didn't make the cut??!!

    1. Re:and here I've been fearing by rock_climbing_guy · · Score: 1

      I believe that "where's the beef" could be recycled for a h3rb1 9en1s 3n1@rgm3n+ suplum3n7.

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    2. Re:and here I've been fearing by mookie-blaylock · · Score: 1

      Actually, you may be surprised. Clients can throw away a lot of great work -- or stuff that's really funny. It happens all the time. A lot of an agency's best work ends up on the floor because a client either gets nervous when it comes time to buy, or because the client decides it wants to suddenly play it real straight. That's where you get nightmarishly bad ads... or the stuff that's completely dead.

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  58. This has already been done with industrial films by Black+Art · · Score: 3, Informative

    The Your Name Here Story did the same thing years ago.

    We already have form letters, form movies, and form music. Not surprising we get form commercials as well.

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  59. recycle it as a Windows virus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Those two chicks clubbing each other in the fountain, it would be irresistable. Click on this...

  60. My concept by satanami69 · · Score: 3, Funny

    People are sitting, all facing a giant TV monitor. From the back of the room, a spikey haired female runs with a hammer. She stops, throws the hammer at the monitor, and shatters the giant face keeping people down.

    The ad...buy MS Longhorn.

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    1. Re: My concept by Animats · · Score: 1
      That's a good one.

      Just think. Back when that commercial was made, there was no nationwide wiretapping. No Patriot Act. No spam. No DRM.

  61. Cool linux desktop commercial by Camel+Pilot · · Score: 2, Informative

    Does anyone remembers the MS commercial which was a spoof on the VW Golf commercial? The one where the guys are driving around find a chair on the side of the road, they pick it up but soon discover it stinks then drop it off and keep going?

    In Microsoft version Gates and Steve driving around in the Golf and see a Sun server on the side of the road (thrown out as garbage) so they stop and pick it up only to realize it too stinks and they stop and drop it off and keep going. It was admittedly a funny parody.

    The commercial however ends as the Golf turns a corner. I always thought a fitting end to commercial would be that as they turn the corner the car is completely obliterated by semi-truck at a high rate of speed which they evidently pulled out in front of and did not see. Then the last clip shows the inside of the cab of the truck with a penguin driving, jumping up and down wildly on the seat, while listening to Born to Wild playing at high volume.

    Hot Sauce and more
    Linux and Mozilla customer 5% smart cart discount

    1. Re:Cool linux desktop commercial by alannon · · Score: 1

      That ad was never aired to the public. It was an 'internal' Microsoft ad, meant to be shown only within the company.

    2. Re:Cool linux desktop commercial by FryGuy1013 · · Score: 1

      My dad thought this would be a great Star Trek ad. A Klingon and Federation member drive and pick up a Romulan, then after a while they decide the Romulan sticks and throw him out.

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  62. Re:Hmm... not really seeing this as a big money ma by cfradenburg · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If a repurposed spot costs about $10k, it means the rights to the old footage cost far less than that. I can't imagine many big companies being interested in selling their old footage for small change like that...

    Comparing $10,000 to $0 that's a large profit even if the ad is still being sold for less than it cost to make it. When a business has an unused resource if they can get any money for it there's a gain.

    This isn't to say that 30 second commercials cost a lot to make. There is a very good film program at the school I go to and the students put out some very good films on a very small budget

  63. Don't the politicians... by bigt_littleodd · · Score: 1
    ...do this every election, anyway?

    The article was about ads that were never made public. But, then again, who pays attention to political ads the first time around? ;-)

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  64. Dilbert's take by santos_douglas · · Score: 4, Funny
    Ad Exec: "Dilbert, you just don't understand the creative process."

    Dilbert: "You stole the entire idea from our competitors ad."

    Ad Exec: "Ok, so I guess you do understand the creative process."

    ~paraphrased from the Gruntmaster 6000 episode

  65. These aren't effective ads by easyfrag · · Score: 2, Informative

    IANAAE (I am not an advertising executive) but I have to wonder how effective this type of advertising is. They are essentially comedy shorts that have little or nothing to do with the product, if it weren't for the tag line at the end you could "recycle" them to video as a package of skits.


    As much as I hate to admit it I think that some annoying TV ads are more effective, I hate having to sit through another Jared Fogle Subway ad but when I'm looking for a quick lunch I feel less guilty about going to Subway because I know he lost a pile of weight eating it. I hate it but it works.


    That being said I really do enjoy the "comedy" ads, Adcritic is sadly missed. My favorite is the one with the chick who's heading out on a date. After the guy opens the car door for her she gets in and rips a fart as he's going around to the driver's side door. When he gets in he introduces her to his friends that were in the backseat the whole time. Do you guys remember that one? Now do you remember what it was selling? Me neither.

    1. Re:These aren't effective ads by rock_climbing_guy · · Score: 0

      How about the one where a guy is applying for a job at "Dumbass & Dumbass" and at the end, the interviewer says, "The name is Du-mas.

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    2. Re:These aren't effective ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it's the snickers one.. "Gotta get away?"

    3. Re:These aren't effective ads by danielsfca2 · · Score: 1

      You're thinking Southwest Airlines.

    4. Re:These aren't effective ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My favorite is the one with the two parents looking at the results of the pregnancy test. The announcer says that these two 40-year-olds are about to have a baby. Then the camera pans out, to reveal a girl about 14 years old who is obviously the one who is pregnant. The announcer then announces that smoking pot causes pregnancy.

      I thought that one was hilarious.

  66. Remind me of an old joke by PeteQC · · Score: 1

    Here, in Quebec, a group of humourists (Rock et Belles Oreilles) made a spoof of a commercial with (fake) Wayne Gretzky speaking French (so bad that we don't understant a word). They put it on the air 3 times with 3 differents companies at the end.

    I think it was Ford, Travelers and a non-existing company that was given the name of the last word fake-Gretzky said: Situla gwassider

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  67. Generic ads aren't new by CyberSlugGump · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ever seen ads for "The Law Offices of ____"?

    I've seen the same ad in different regions in the US where the only difference is the announcer who fills in the blank.

  68. Recycling old commercials... by rock_climbing_guy · · Score: 2, Funny
    Here's a good example of a recycled commercial from a cash-strapped organization. Have a look:

    advertisement

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  69. DVD of ads by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 2, Interesting
    This is kind of off-topic, but I always wished I could find some of the wittier ads I've seen from Cannes and such on DVD. Someone should make a "Best of advertising" dvd. Before this gets knocked by all you anti-advertising people on here, realize that there IS a lot of good advertising out there that is entertaining, it just so happens that there's a lot more thats absolute crap.

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    1. Re:DVD of ads by mookie-blaylock · · Score: 1

      It's a tad on the outrageously-priced side, but you can.

      From the people themselves, no less.

      Here's a link to their order page -- this is for the 2003 winners but you can also request previous years.

      You can, of course, also get the One Show Annual and also the D&AD Annual (or showreel and the Communication Arts Design Annual is at newsstands now.

      I think One Show has a reel of ALL winners on TV available, but I seem to recall that the price was astronomical.

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    2. Re:DVD of ads by WWWWolf · · Score: 1
      Yup, I love well-made commercials. Such DVD would probably be interesting - possibly with commentaries from advertising people and researchers and stuff.

      In Finland they recently did a documentary about commercials, featuring many interesting ones from around 1960-2000 or something. Too bad I didn't tape that. I'd definitely want to see that on DVD along with a couple of hours of greatest ads of past decades, local or foreign. Might be very interesting.

  70. RTFA (warning) by Ayanami+Rei · · Score: 1

    The company specifically does NOT recycle commercials or pitches where any depicted actors are SAG members for this very reason.

    All the more reason to get unionized if you go into that line of work.

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  71. ObPulpFiction by LittleBigLui · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Jules: What country you from!
    Bret: What?
    Jules: "What" ain't no country I know! Do they speak English in "What?"
    Brett: What?
    Jules: English-motherfucker-can-you-speak-it?

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  72. Re:Why is this on /. ? by LinuxHam · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Us older geeks probably have fond memories of a movie from the early 80's that touched on this sort of thing. Looker, anyone? It features a company that does full body scans of actors/actresses and then uses computers to create commercials that feature the scanned actors/actresses. Besides, much like Runaway, who wouldn't want to have the futuristic weapon featured in the movie -- a gun that, with a flash of light, freezes time for its victim. The ultimate excuse for government spooks to go running around with dark sunglasses.

    Imagine S1M0NE 20 years ago, when she was just getting started in her career :)

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  73. Greatest. Commerical. Ever. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The recent beer commercial with people falling down on each other like dominos. It's funny. I remember the commercial, but not the brand name of the beer! Still, that commercial is great.

  74. Attorney ads have done this for years by Slur · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There's a classic accident representation attorney ad that's been circulating in lots of cities for a long while. The commercial is shot in black and white, which heightens the drama. The setting is the office of an Insurance Company's legal staff where the evil insurance lawyers are discussing the details of a new claim. The attorneys are arrogantly joking about how they're going to deny the claim. One of the older lawyers finally asks "Who's their lawyer?"

    Then they use the trick that makes the ad reusable. The camera cuts away to a hilarious reaction shot as the attorney's name is matter-of-factly spoken.

    "James Sokolov"

    All the young attorneys suddenly look up, visibly shaken. After a few moments of uncomfortable silence the camera cuts back to the older lawyer who says:

    "Uh. Let's settle this thing."

    I've seen the same ad many times in different cities, always with a different lawyer's name. I've seen a few different versions with different actors and dialog. I always laugh when they get to the cutaway shot.

    I find that if I say "Unfrozen Caveman Attorney" at the cutaway the reaction seems even funnier.

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    1. Re:Attorney ads have done this for years by Hangtime · · Score: 1

      Seen that one too, but I will have you know the lawyer is Vic Fizell in Waco. :)

      Got a kick out of the Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer reference. Truly one of the brilliant concepts from SNL.

    2. Re:Attorney ads have done this for years by ducomputergeek · · Score: 1
      Only here in Springfield Missouri its been dubbed over with, "Corbett, Stimpch and Mustgrave"...

      I am serious...the ad was just on the 10PM news.

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    3. Re:Attorney ads have done this for years by British · · Score: 1

      In Minnesota, the attourney for that commercial is "Woods and Thompson". With that buzzer-like musical bit.

    4. Re:Attorney ads have done this for years by Starrdanzr · · Score: 1

      This was actually mentioned up further in the threads, one the first page. In any case, here in Richmond, VA it is Marks and Harrison ;) Also, I saw it while on conference in Seattle, WA. But I don't remember the law firm's name.

  75. Re:who cares? by bperkins · · Score: 1

    Too bad the 9/11 terrorists didn't fly the planes into some movie studio buildings or the Redmond campus. They would have actually done something useful for the entire world.

    Whoa!
    Somebody get this AC some caffine.

  76. Re:I don't understand... by trg83 · · Score: 1

    Only the car manufacturer you are thinking of is actually... "built (Ford) tough."

  77. parent is a troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ^-- mark troll accordingly

    1. Re:parent is a troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the grandparent troll's website is a link to a goatse.cx redirect.

  78. Re:This has already been done with industrial film by TKinias · · Score: 1

    Black Art's sig:

    "Trademarks are the heraldry of the new feudalism."

    Except that under feudalism, there is a two-way obligation. Property comes with obligation, both to the lord who granted it, and to the peasants who work it. Capitalism has no such restrictions on what you do with your property, and the corporation has no obligation to the consumer comparable to the lord's obligations to his peasants. Don't insult the memory of feudalism, please.

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  79. Re:who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does AC stand for Anonymous Coward, or Ann Coulter? It could be either one....

  80. Re:Why is this on /. ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My name on /. is a subtle (or not-so-subtle depending on how intelligent you actually are) jab at the idiots on /. who think they are professional businessmen/politicians, etc... People like that well known idiot NineNine or "neocon" or Twirlipofthemists.

  81. The commercials for DDR by yerricde · · Score: 1

    I'd rather see the commercials for Konami's Dance Dance Revolution get dubbed with "Aiyaiyai, I'm your MSN butterfly" or the like.

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  82. Viagra ad featuring Feiss by sacrilicious · · Score: 4, Funny

    I was doing this guy I met, and he was, like, uh uh uh damn oh no. And then, like, half of his equipment was shriveled. And I was, like huh. It disrupted my sex. It was really good sex. And then I had to do it again and I had to do it fast so it wasn't as good. It's kind of a... ... bummer.

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  83. a good example of "ad reuse" by jonwil · · Score: 1

    is where they make ads that show some toy (for example a barbie doll) and have that little text saying "xxx not available".

    This happens in australia, dont know about anywhere else.

  84. Re:who cares? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    You don't get a dime everyone uses a program you wrote because either you're not trying to sell your programs that way, or they're not good enough to sell that way. Microsoft, however, is definitely headed in that direction...

    Aside from the typically fashionable Anti-MICROS~1 flame, this is a lot different. Someone is using your output, but in commercials, someone is using you, at least in the form of your likeness. You are being used to sell whatever. You might not have a say about whether or not the material is reused, again depending on your contract, but if your contract says you have to be paid when it is, then clearly you should get paid.

    There's not enough similarity here to be worth mentioning. You choose the terms you work under; you get paid according to them. Don't whine.

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  85. Re:I don't understand... by frogsarefriendly · · Score: 0

    you're an idiot

  86. heh by notque · · Score: 1

    "Dude, you're getting a (long pause) Big Mac."

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  87. Re:I don't understand... by trg83 · · Score: 1

    Or maybe the parenthetical notation didn't convey the same meaning to everyone reading. It is not unreasonable to think that the parens indicated "substitute any car name here." So, if I'm an idiot, it is only for responding to an Anonymous Coward in the first place. However, that would make you twice the idiot for responding to a response to an Anonymous Coward.

  88. Re:I don't understand... by trg83 · · Score: 1

    So, if I can bait you to respond again, you'll be four times the idiot. Otherwise, I'm stuck at 3 times the idiot...but only on Slashdot.

  89. We notice.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We notice. We simply don't care. That's how much ill will Microsoft has generated, troll. Those in the know simple don't care...

  90. Linux will soon be able to reuse SCO adverts :-) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) Setup Southern Computer Opportunities
    2) Reuse old SCO adverts
    3) Profit on money saved
    4) Profit given to lawyers
    5) Company goes bust
    6) Repeat... !

  91. a little OT, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    This brings to mind the parody of the Ford commercial that everyone was using to rip on Intel when the floating point bug was discovered in the original pentiums:

    At Intel, Quality is Job 0.99999997

    Bah, guess you had to be there.

  92. Found three by ishmaelflood · · Score: 1

    Ass is spelt arse, in your case.

    You have also used capital F after a colon.

    Oh, and some weirdo punctuation at the end.

    Nice use of the Oxford comma, by the way.

  93. cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hook me up with some old Mel Farr Superstar commercials!

  94. Old soundtrack, new visuals by toxcspdrmn · · Score: 1
    Here in the UK there used to be an ad for Strepsil throat lozenges that featured Dai, a member of the local male-voice choir in a mining village in Wales. Dai has a sore throat and is worried that he can't sing but a friend recommends Strepsils and the ad culminates with Dai and his friends singing the name of the product in four-part harmony (all in a strong Welsh accent).

    I was working in Ghana, West Africa for a few years in the mid/late '90s and they had refilmed the ad in a Ghanaian village, with all the men dressed in Kente robes, but kept the original Welsh male-voice choir soundtrack - the funniest thing I ever saw.

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    1. Re:Old soundtrack, new visuals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every choir I've been in warns not to ever sing with a sore throat. You can do permanent damage that way. Hiding the pain only makes it worse.

  95. Re:who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're not using you. They are replaying a tape or disk that you were paid to help make. Does the costume designer or guy that built the props get paid everytime it's played? probably not. Look at all the bullshit that people have to keep track of for the entertainment industry so some bitchy little prima donnas can waste even more $$ on coke & booze.

    I'd like to see a movie studio that was strictly work for hire and didn't employe any SAG bozos. They could sell at a fraction of the cost and the theaters/tv stations could keep more of the money.

  96. Good example! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would never have believed it if I hadn't also heard this ad near Seattle, Washington. I think the lawyer is Jacoby, but I'm not positive.

  97. Recycle that one! by DrMorris · · Score: 1

    What about recycling the "Tits and Ass Beer" commercial? The only thing it could be reused would be a beer named something like "Breasts and Bums".

  98. Re:who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    come on.. wouldn't you really like to see the heads of the MPAA or even the RIAA perish is a big ball of flame and pile of smoking rubble? We all would. One of the MidEast's (& Europe's) gripes against the US is that we are polluting their culture. Who does this? Hollywood. They are polluting our society too, so eliminating that cesspool would be a big win for everyone.

  99. Do both well... by Tokerat · · Score: 1


    ...and I might actually want to watch it.

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  100. Priceless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Getting a secret service agent to fetch you some viagra: $50

    Luring an intern into the oval office: $1-lollipop

    Watching her face when she sees your boner: PRICELESS...

  101. Heh by brunes69 · · Score: 1

    The thing about that ad is it wasn't reallly tongue in cheek at all. Whether they admit it or not, nearly all Canadians feel that way about our neighbours to the south :P

    Which made it a really, really great ad, thay sold tons of merchadise as well, everything from mugs to shirts with the "Great Canadian Speel" on the back.

    It was truely the most effective commercial I have seen in the past 10 years. And it probably cost them no more than 10 - 15 grand to make. Compare that to the millions they blow on superbowl commercials in the US :P

  102. Could be fun by mwood · · Score: 1

    You know, like the dubbed foreign films where the actor works his mouth for half a minute and then the soundtrack says, "what's up?"

  103. Visit your local Tandoori by Vollernurd · · Score: 1

    This reminds me of the fantastic curry-house commercials that we used to get at the local flea-pit cinimas in the UK.

    The Pearl and Dean music, the ultra-crackly soundtrack and the ungainly spliced-together film snippets of "authentic" Indian scenes all merged with some cheap "Indian" music and a voiceover. Then the street-plan at the end showing where it was.

    McDonalds lampooned these a few years back over here. Now they were funny.

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  104. I hope they recylcle jingles by KingTank · · Score: 1

    Keepin' cool you find, is a state of mind. The refreshing attitude! Things get hot, cool is all you got! Doin' it country cool! Masengil!

  105. happening in Dallas with radio by floatt · · Score: 1

    Just read an article in a Dallas magazine about a firm that does this for radio. They write a catchy jingle then partner with radio stations. The radio stations then give the client the ad for free when they purchase enough airtime. Freed's (a local furniture chain) was mentioned as using one of the canned jingles. The jingle went something like:

    "at [Freed's] you can afford your dreams"

  106. Re:who cares? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    Using someone's likeness has long been protected by law in ways that using their simple work has not. Someday we'll have software that automatically recognizes an actor's position and alters them subtly so that they don't look like themselves any more, and then we'll have a whole new can of worms to deal with, but for the moment you are using the likeness of a person, and this fact must be recognized.

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  107. Re: Ford commercials by some+guy+I+know · · Score: 1

    In the early 1970s, the Ford Motor Company's advertising campaign proclaimed that "Ford has a better idea".
    During the Watergate affair (President Richard M. Nixon, Vice President Gerald R. Ford), a common joke was, "Nixon wants to remain President, but ...".

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  108. New York Lotto has been doing this for years by cylcyl · · Score: 1

    Basically, they block the actor's mouth or pan elsewhere when he's saying the prize amount, then they just replace it with whatever the prize amount of the wk it is.

  109. Re:I don't understand... by frogsarefriendly · · Score: 0

    hahaha, i didn't say i wasn't an idiot, i said you were. i probably am an idiot. shall we discuss more?

  110. They're not talking about used software. by npsimons · · Score: 1
    They probably are talking about software that you've never seen, because they were never used.

    I work at an software company (I know, I know) and one of the most interesting things about it is to see how much money is wasted writing, editing, and producing software that never see the light of day because the client thinks it's too edgy, or doesn't like blue windows, or thinks the whole project is a bad idea because his sister told him so.

    At the end of all this, there are hundreds of programs that are brilliantly done and well-produced - that you've never, ever seen. Many are probably edgier and more interesting than anything you've ever seen as a Apple program.

    I'd be interested to see what these turn out to be!


    In other words, duh: this happens in every industry. The only way to prevent this is to write open source (programs or content) because then at least anyone can judge for themselves whether it's good or not.

  111. or Drop Dead Gorgeous by vistic · · Score: 1

    Adam West talking and then suddenly you hear something like Stephen Hawking saying "...beautiful Mount Rose, Minnesota..."

  112. Not true, but... by Goonie · · Score: 1

    Fosters (or their Australian brewing subsidiary CUB) makes quite a few domestic beers. In Melbourne, their full-strength lagers are Carlton Draught, Victoria Bitter (which is really a lager), and Crown Lager (their "premium" beer), as well as small amounts of Fosters. Crown Lager, frankly, does taste quite like Fosters Lager, but they are not the same.

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  113. So let me get this right.... by thrill12 · · Score: 1

    when I switch on my telly and I see a big clown with the words "Burger King" written all over him, and a voice-over that drops in in the sentence "Now at *burger king* two *whoppers* for *two dollars*!", it's recycled ?

    If so, maybe we should recycle some M$ commercials and replace the logo's with Tux :=)

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  114. Irrelevant commercials - Miller! by siskbc · · Score: 1
    Makes you realize just how little the ads actually have to do with their products. The Simpsons episode with the artsy-fartsy commerical for Mr. Plow skewered this nicely.

    My favorite recent example is an art-school-looking commercial for a beer company. You see people falling like dominoes all over the city, which goes on for 20 seconds. Then, they fall into a bar, where the guy at the bar steps away, not falling with the masses. The idea, of course, is that this guy is an independent thinker. The narrator goes on to say that this man, like the viewer, does not drink the swill generated by your typical brewer. He asks for something more.

    The funny part? The ad is for MILLER. Right, Miller, they of "Lite" beer, the originators of the genre. Basically the ad asks you not to drink their beer, as anyone who drinks good beer will laugh at that ad.

    My only question is who that ad was originally made for, because it's a horrible fit. Laughed my ass off the first time I saw it.

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