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E-Rock-23 writes "Anime News Network has the scoop on more Anime series Cartoon Network plans to bring to the Adult Swim block next year. Witch Hunter Robin (2) has been confirmed for a February run. On the "Probably" list are Wolf's Rain in April and Ghost in the Shell in July, though they didn't specify if it'd be the Mamoru Oshii film or the Stand Alone Complex TV series. Either way, the latter will most likely have to be rather heavily edited for TV. Looks like I have a few more reasons to stay up past my bedtime..." Or get a tivo. Witch Hunter Robin & Wolf's Rain are both really excellent shows- it's very cool to see them hit mainstream TV.
...when we're going to get past this dubbing thing and see some subs.
Looks like I have a few more reasons to stay up past my bedtime..." Or get a tivo.
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*upper lip trembling* you mean there are poor souls out there that actually lack this essential technology?
Seriously, if it weren't for Tivo I'd never catch my fix of Twilight Zone reruns and Enterprise. I do Tivo Anime Crash on TechTV, but some of the Anime they show is a little esoteric for my tastes. So, a lot of that gets deleted before I have a chance to watch it.
My friend Mike got slashdotted recently pointing out that Time Warner cable is rolling out Tivo to their users for something on the order of less than $10 a month...and at no cost to the subscriber for the box!Pretty sweet deal considering that I paid slightly over $400 for the Sony DirctTV/Tivo combo box. That particular combination is a pretty sweet deal. I guess I could regret having shelled out that much money in light of Mike's cable deal. But...naaahhh. How can you regret shelling out for such a life-affirming technology?
I just checked with my registrar and it looks like tivoaid.com is still open. I think I may buy that domain to start a worthy cause....
Quod scripsi, scripsi.
The market for subbed-only anime is still very small, that's why studios work hard to ensure all the DVD releases have a dub track (preferably a good one). Trying to put subbed-only anime, even on late night, isn't going to keep enough people watching to pay the advertising dollars.
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It's such a shame that they refuse to play Ranma 1/2... though I don't know how the censors would react to a half-guy, half-girl character who somehow always has his, er, her chest exposed.
Well, I happen to know the guy who does/did the Japanese-English translation for GITS:TV (yes, it will be the tv). He also did it for Big-O, Tenchi in Tokyo and a few others, he works freelance, including a VERY sweet looking 'dieselpunk' fantasy series called Last Exile.
From all impressions I get, editing won't be too bad. But the creepiest thing is that the series has 3 experimental spider-tank characters, who supposedly start out as a 'hive mind', but begin to develop individuality over the course of several episodes. So you have all these heavily armed, near-sentient battle robots, and THEY ALL HAVE SQEAKY JAPANESE TEENAGE GIRL VOICES! *SHUDDER* They even wave their hands around like children, very bizarre, and probably fits in well with the "feel" of the series.
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I know Taco loves his Anime but I'd also just like to send a big shout out to Cartoon Network for the great stuff they have been doing with the other part of Adult Swim.
The new SpaceGoasts CTC have been great as well as all of the other ones. (Sealab2021, ATHF, Brak Show)
Even after the death of Harry Goz (1932 - 2003),voice of Captin Murphy on Sealab 2021, the show has bounced back imo and did a good new ep.
Thanks Cartoon Network. I'm not a big fan of Anime (Cowboy Beebob as one of the BIG exceptions.) but you still have given me a reason to stay up late every night.
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We will more likely see Ranma than Gunslinger Girl in the near future....
The show was made for japanese TV viewing, whose standards aren't all that different from those of american TV. As such, the show features little of the gore and nudity of the feature film while still presenting plenty of action and musings about the ramifications of future technology. And besides, Bandai wants this on Adult Swim so they can sell plenty of shiny DVDs in preperation for the show's second season.
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It was Cartoon Network's airing of Cowboy Bebop that soured me on Enterprise. After witnessing the gritty exploits of Spike, Jet, Faye, Ed and even Ein, I could no longer stomach the goody two-shoes of Enterprise. All I could remember was Captain Puss^H^H^H^H Archer curling up into a little ball as a bunch of Andorans stole his lunch money or something.
I own the DVD boxed set of Bebop (and the movie, which was a better SF film than any recent Trek, Star Wars or Matrix film). Don't think I'll be owning any Enterprise.
And, actually, I commend TechTV for showing some of the odder stuff, like Serial Experiment Lain, that CN might shy away from. The Starz Action Channel shows some anime as well, and it's completely uncut there. They just ran through Hellsing and Bubblegum Crisis 2040 both of which I liked more than I expected to.
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I don't think the Ghost in the Shell Standalone Complex TV series would have to be edited too much for US TV. I have all but the last DVD (imported from Taiwan), and I think most of the episodes are free of anything that might cause US TVs to melt down in a fit of self-righteous indignation.
Of course, perhaps the good/bad stuff is in the last few episodes I don't have. I can't seem to get the last DVD. One of my local Anime dealers told me that this is intentional - He said that the producers of these (non-US) releases don't release the last DVD until they release the whole series as a boxed set. Their plan is to force all the fools (like myself) who bought the single DVDs to buy them all again in the boxed set in order to get the last episodes.
Can anyone confirm or debunk this theory?
- Tim
If Cartoon Network puts more and more anime on, and it becomes more mainstream, then what will most of the aficionados do? It will be mainstream, and hence uncool. There will be lots of bitching and moaning about "selling out" and "it used to be good back in the day" (when in fact it never really changed), but I guess there is a little bit of time before that happens. Probably plenty of time to find something else that is obscure to latch on to and pretend to like just so they can claim sophistication over the unwashed masses.
I thought GitSAC was made for a Pay-per-view type service.. that's what the promotion for it said, anyway.
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Yes, sadly it seems Bandai is waiting for the show to air on TV in America before releasing the DVD's.
Many newer series than GITS: SAC are already (partly) available on DVD, while GITS: SAC isn't even announced yet. (afaik)
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30 minutes by bike, 15 by bus.
Oddly enough, not as offtopic as the mods seem to think. Robin, of Witch Hunter Robin really could do this to the poor man, and the Ordo condom of whch he speaks would indeed keep poor willie alive and well.
The animators in Japan going to get better than the old Hanna Barbera stuff and at least up to par with South Park.
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Well, in the first episode, Maj. Kusanagi blows a guy's foot off, but that's about a 2-second cut.
Most of the stuff you see in GitS:SAC will, I thing, be pretty much easy for them to cut.
(And I want the shiny DVDs!)
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Just my opinion, but Wolf's Rain really quite bad. The first season was impressive. It set up a lot of potential, and the second season was a total let-down. After four episodes of re-cap, they had weak character development and dumb plot-ideas. All-in-all, it's a bad show.
Witch Hunter Robin was good right up to the end. The very last episode was a little weak, but it was not bad. It was only worse than the previous episodes in that series.
Personally, I think the best serieses deserving a run right now are "Now and Then, Here and There" and "Full Metal Panic? Fumoffu", the first being one of the best all-around stories out there, and the second being just about the funniest thing ever.
I just wish they hadn't pulled Rurouni Kenshin from the afternoon block.
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Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex has no nudity and virtually no gore. Only about one in every two episodes have and violence whatsoever, and much of that is not displayed in detail. The show is not about violence.
Why talk about Adult Swim staying on and only mention the anime? That's only half of the lineup! Sealab 2021, Aquateen Hunger Force, The Brak Show, Space Ghost, Harvey Birdman, Home Movies... these are all fantastically funny shows, not to mention they're the only place to see reruns of Family Guy and Futurama, two of the funniest cartoons ever.
Sure, anime's nice and all, but just as many people are attracted to the other shows on Adult Swim.
Also, Venture Brothers next summer, should be awesome if the pilot is anything to guage the series on.
Who wants to watch raped versions anyway ? Just stick to the original DVD's for the true anime experience.
As I recall, Cowboy Bebop's Adult Swim run was less censored than its Japanese television run.
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Hey, that looks like a fansub of Witch Hunter Robin episode 4.
The path I walk alone is endlessly long.
30 minutes by bike, 15 by bus.
Only about half of Cowboy Bebop's episodes actually aired on its original japanese run. Episodes like "The Real Folk Blues" weren't shown until the second season on satellite TV. For those without satellite, the episodes went straight to video. So in this instance, american viewers got to see a lot more of the show.
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I, for one, welcome our new Unedited Cartoon Network... err...
... like 80s Strike Back on VH1. And mix in a bit of "here's something cool you didn't know existed"... sort of like catching Most Extreme Elimination Challenge on TNT/SpikeTV. That's what anime is to American audiences... years of shows about robots and vampires, lasers and rockets and giant aliens, fast action and a "new" visual style.
Seriously, suppose Cartoon Network spun off a sister-station, and cable networks made it an optional channel to standard packages, who's purpose was to show anime in its raw form? Parents have the option for nudity and cursing on HBO & Cinemax, and they also have the control whether they want that stuff in their home or not. If you don't want it, the cable company can block it.
I'm not saying that we need a cartoon Spice channel (not that there's any shortage of hentai), just that there should be some medium for your average movie where you can catch the whole thing. The Cartoon Network has an image to keep as a channel for kids (the alternative to Nickelodeon), and they can't risk someones child staying up late and catching some unedited Vampire Hunter D.
Adult Swim has this nostalgic aura about it now (GiJoe, He-Man)
There's something that bugs me about watching a show or movie when I know that it has been edited by some middleman... The director of the project had an artistic vision and those scenes & language capture the intent. You can't express the story of the rough mafia men in the Sopranos without the occasional trip to the strip club... this is what tells the story of men making bad choices and dealing with the consequences.
Slightly off topic, but being in the U.K. and not getting to see any anime on TV, I was wondering if airing shows affects people's DVD purchases.
I'd expect that the people who'd pay for a cable channel that plays anime are hardcore enough to be downloading digisubs of shows before shelling out for DVDs anyway. So it seems the broadcasts must be aimed at non-enthusiasts in an attempt to increase the market, a development which could have good and bad consequences in my opinion.
Does this seem correct, what do people think?
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I generally dislike commenting on sigs, but didnt Mark Twain say that? or is that just a popular misconception?
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Home Movies is the reason I love adult swim (well, Futurama is pretty great too). But I thought new episodes were supposed to be here by now -- does anyone know what's going on w/ this? The last ep I saw was "Castaway". The site lists a season's worth of episodes past that, but I haven't seen any.
As noted, thats not true (the TV part, at least thats what I've read), but having seen most of the series, I don't know what would need to be edited. US Cable generally has lots of violence, and thats the only 'questionable' material I can think of. Cartoon Network sometimes picks odd things to edit, and odd things not to edit.
They have been showing Blue Gender with minimal editing and FLCL with virtually none (just one word in episode 6).
And let's not forget the latest season of Inuyasha is uncut...gory demon deaths abound...
It is called ADULT Swim after all.
Anime's a medium, not a genre. There are plenty of bad and mediocre anime shows and films, but there are also some absolute gems. Rose of Versailles, for instance, is a very intelligent historical-fiction show about pre-revolutionary France, focusing on Marie-Antoinette and her fictional guard Oscar Francois de Jarjayes; it's very well-written and altogether quite remarkable. Not all anime is the same homogenous and semi-erotic pap generally made. ;b
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Not for a cable channel that wants to target the 18-24 segement anyway. Adult Swim shows are some of the highest rated stuff floating around cable even though they are dubbed. Going sub is a giant risk since the ratings indicate that there are more now more than just Anime fans watching the block of programming.
In Japan they have plenty of US movies and TV shows but are they subtitled? The Japanese like hearing things in their native language which is why its in Japanese in the first place. On this side of the Pacific, the US Anime Industry has advanced pretty far. The quality of scripts have gone up since translators have access to even more material than they used to (including the production staff!!!). The quality of actors has gone up since it has been shown you can make money acting. There really is no reason to ask for a sub unless you really really really want to her you favorite actress. The casual and non-fan viewers are definately not interested in that.
I like raw shows as much as any hardcore fan but people have to realize there are many more people out there than the hardcore otaku fandom. Getting causual and non-fans to sit down and watch subtitled material is hard. Having people watch Robin and SAC is great! Its better than having these shows sit only in Anime fandom obscurity.
An AS-only channel would just be another MTV2. It'd be cool for a while before getting much worse as executives realized its audience can only be expanded so far. Oh, and I wouldn't get it from my cable provider.
If you haven't noticed, CN airs a lot of crap. Sure, the kids-home-from-school to stoned-college-students-call-it-a-night hours have mostly good stuff. If you've perused their daytime offerings for purposes of TiVoing, you'll see that it's pretty bad.
Also, while I admire the fact that they feel they should offer original programming, let's face it: Courage the Cowardly Dog, Ed Edd & Eddy, Grim & Evil, the Time whatever show... all are pretty weak. I have a soft spot for Dexter's Lab, and while I don't really like Samurai Jack and Powerpuff Girls, I can understand why some folks do. But a lot of their original series are not good. They could cut them and spend the freed resources to expand AS.
...but here it is anyway :)
Aside from StarBlazers, I've never liked Anime.
I just can't get like those big googly eyes they give everyone and/or the choppy animation, or everyones mouths that move like ventriloquist dummies...and the same whiney voices they use to indicate which character is supposed to be the annoying one.
Not to mention the awful music they usually roll for the credits.
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Cartoons are becoming more popular by making them interested to wide audiences case in point: King of the Hill, The Simpsons and Futureama among others.
Anime has the same appeal. So, whats holding the networks from making an Anime Network? Certainly, there should be enough variety and enough material to make one.
(I'm hopeing some of it has to do with the voice dubbing. Please get better English voices, or just leave the Japanese voices in with subtitles.)
90% of everything is crap. You've been watching the wrong 10%.
But, in more depth:
Anime has, in several instances, a lot more freedom than you see on American TV. The fact that it often will not pull punches when American TV does is what makes some of it more engaging.
Also, some anime attempts to make encapsulated storylines, while most all American TV attempts to make something which can run eternally. Possibly the best thing about anime is the 13 episode series. It is a different medium than I see in the US. In the US, you have Movies, TV, and Mini-Serieses. Mini-Serieses are somewhat the same, in that they allow more subplots than Movies but still have that encapsulated nature. However, they usually require that each segment fill a two-hour block.
Witch Hunter Robin & Wolf's Rain are both really excellent shows
... ORBO IS MADE FROM WITCHES.
I can't speak for Wolf's Rain, having not seen it, but I've seen WHR. (The original sub, even.)
In two words: NOTHING HAPPENS. AT ALL.
There are spoilers as I review the four plot events in the entire 26 episode series. I want the 10 hours of my life back.
Plot Point 1: around eps. 6-10, we come to the realization that Robin's power makes her eyes unfocus, so it's inaccurate. She needs glasses. The end.
Plot Point 2: around eps. 16-20, Robin finds a piece of wood which is the "Ultimate Spell". But, she already had said spell, and the piece of wood was really a Cracker Jack prize.
Plot Point 3: around eps. 20-24, we come to the realization that
Plot Point 4: ep26: STN-J is really run by the blandest supervillain ever created who thinks witches are an impurity of the human race, and wishes to remove them.
The end. It was very very boring. They make a point of Robin not being sexy in any way; thus, whenever she shows any skin whatsoever, we would drink. I think we might have actually taken three shots to this rule in about five episodes.
Pathetic. *sigh*
NTHT on Cartoon Network? I think not. While not as explicit as some, it's one of the more brutal series on a psychological level. Christ man, it's got kids getting raped and beating each other to death. I'd like to see Saikano, Berserk, GTO, or Initial D, but like it or not there are limits. Maybe if AS was split off onto it's own channel with it's own age standards they could get away with it, but even then...
FMP:F deserves to go on TV though, although I found the original boring and unoriginal. I never got to the end of Wolf's Rain but based on what I saw I liked. It's from the same people who did Cowboy Bebop and has top-notch animation, so it's highly likely it'll make it regardless. GITS:SAC is a no-brainer.
Witch Hunter Robin, IMHO, blows. I have no idea why anyone would find this boring unimaginative series with its gigantic-craniumed characters appealing. Except perhaps for really angsty people like goths. To which I say, you should read/watch more shoujo. (On a side note, where did this infinite castle thing come from anyway? It was in Get Backers also...) For some reason I feel like mentioning I hated Noir too. All style, no substance.
In my opinion, Cartoon Network or somebody should pick up the following shows, which are all really, really good and require little to no editing (although several need to be licensed and translated, and some would perhaps be better suited for Toonami, or better yet a non-existant mid-level block): Hajime no Ippo (rocks); Jungle wa Itsumo Hale Nochi Guu (damn funny); Naruto (duh); Hellsing (blood's OK if you've got vampires); Read or Die (Original OVA and TV); Excel Saga (insane, the logical follow-up to FLCL); Hunter X Hunter (grows on you); Last Exile (awesome); Nadia (old but good); NieA_7 (wierd); and others.
Also, if Adult Swim Anime were to stop calling itself "Action" and break out into other genres they'd have more flexibility. Onegai Teacher/Twins would draw an audience and notoriety, I guarantee it. So would Love Hina and Chobits. Some of the more crossover Shoujos might do well if given the chance and the right advertising, like Fruits Basket.
I could go on all day, but there's not that much point. Adult swim will get what their limited budget, limited influence on the production and distribution companies, limited time slots, limited late night audience, and Standards and Practices allows, and no more. I'm sure much of what we've suggested they've already thought about and either can't afford or can't clear with S&P. Hellsing comes to mind on both counts.
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What, you woke up one day, went to work, your boss gave you a "Learn Japanese in 24 Hours" book and all of a sudden you're an expert? Suuuuure.
I don't think I have been watching the wrong bit of Anime as my cow-orkers have 1000s of hours of this shit and pop it into the office DVD player at every chance. Just a short dip into the brantub comes up sticky, if you know what I mean. But you are right, the short series is cool. Maybe this is what attracts some people to shows like '24' that have different approach to their very manner of presentation.
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Comparing it to Windows will be a moot point, since El Dorado is going to have a 40% larger code base than XP.
Yes, it was broadcast on a per-episode PPV basis on non-network TV, so they didn't actually have to follow Japanese TV standards (which, contrary to the poster above you, are fairly lax compared to US network TV).
The anime show Great Teacher Onizuka (better known as GTO has been picked up to air on SHO Next. If you've never seen GTO, it's a hilarious show about a former street punk who takes on a job teaching high school.
The artsy fartsy, psuedo-nouveau WHR I can imagine being shown on CN, but Wolf's Rain? This is a top-notch show, but has mention been made that this is basically an anime about very pretty boys basically adoring each other and bonding in a not-altogether-nonsexual way?
Is it possible to craft a dub that leans away from the limp-pawed, disaffected bishoujo-style angsty dialogue and still maintain the essential character of this show? It really _is_ about sexily-dressed guys bonding, I don't know how well that will go over with, well, anyone...
On a positive note, the fabulous opening sequence could be kept intact, being that it's all English (thanks to Sting-wannabe doofus Steve Conte).
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I don't think I have been watching the wrong bit of Anime as my cow-orkers have 1000s of hours of this shit and pop it into the office DVD player at every chance.
That doesn't necessarily mean anything. I'll bet you know lots of people who like watching "Friends," too. The reason there's so much crap out there is because, sadly, crap is good enough for most people. Even asking "So, what should I watch?" here on Slashdot will get you replies that mostly list the same popular-yet-not-that-good crap over and over.
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Not really on topic, but of interest. A few weeks ago, I noticed you can buy the DVD box sets of all three Robotech series. At $35-45 each, they are pretty cheap too, especially compared with the Gundam Wing box set (which, if memory serves, is around $135).
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There's nothing "special" about Anime. I watch it because it's different and more interesting than what's available on tv (which is boring at best and downright turgid/dumb most of the time -- not to mention these shows ALWAYS manage to get their facts wrong...even news shows and the "Discovery" channel...).
Whether the plots are incomprehensible, or have bad character development is mostly dependent on the series. I'll admit that there are a LOT of Anime out there that just plain suck. So I try to just watch the good ones. I watch the first 4 episodes and if it sucks I don't watch more.
For me it's not the "obvious" 'I-wanna-shag-Asian-chicks(girls) thing'. In the Anime I watch at least, the girls don't look asian (what race of girl has blue hair anyway?). I watch it because it looks cool. I like the animation style (at least of the newer stuff, the older [70s] stuff where only the mouths move is...not so good). I find the characters more realistic and complicated than those on mainstream american tv. Mainly I probably enjoy it because it's different from american tv, and is not afraid to challenge certain values (in a way that lets the viewer draw their own conclusions) that american shows seem to step around (like god, or fate, or the nature of existence).
As for the 'Alien Tentacle Rape stuff', I haven't seen any Anime like that (I haven't looked), the closest I've come is seeing an Anime that makes fun of the tentacle rape stuff (but that was pretty disturbing on its own) and that was with "Puni Puni Poemi Episode 2" (nasty show....but f-ing hilarious). Anyway It seems that every time someone is writing an objection to Anime they bring that up as if it typifies Anime (which is really just a red herring-- like if everytime someone brought up how much they hate american tv they'd also add, "and what of that wierd S/M stuff? Just fucking disturbing"). I would agree that if all Anime had tentacle rape stuff I would not watch it, but to discount an entire medium just because a small part (which only probably exists from my perspective) is aweful seems incredibly stupid (no offense).
Anime is overly dramatized, high school simpleton rubbish. Yes...ALL of it. You hear me? ALL OF IT. This is only bad news. The anime that gets played on Adult Swim only carves out precious time that could be used by the MUCH BETTER, MUCH MORE CLEVER items like Sealab and the like. A pox on all that is anime.
Why are the characters in anime always white? Why don't Japanese people want to see Japanese characters on TV?
I'm all for it, really. An all-Anime channel would be a godsend for both hardcore and casual fans alike. But one channel wouldn't be enough. There should be two.
It sounds a bit redundant, I know, but there's a silver lining to running things this way. Both channels would have identical broadcast schedules. Between, say, 7am and 7pm, you get TV series such as Ranma, Gundam, Tenchi, pretty much any series you'ld like to see plugged in. And with the abundance of series out there, there's a good chance that the daily schedules could differ from day to day. After 7pm, you get movies and such, like GitS, Iria, Spirited Away, etc.
Here's the catch. The one major difference between the two channels is one will be English dubs, while the sister channel remains Japanese language with English subtitles. This way the casual fan gets the shows in English, and the more discerning Anime fans can quench thier thirst for Anime in it's purest form (well, as pure as it can get without ditching the translation altogether).
Hell, there's even room for our own Rob Malda to host a show a-la A&E.
What to call these networks? Well, all I can come up with is Anime-Dub and Anime-Sub. But I'd gladly pay a few extra bucks a month for this kind of programming option. Now, if only we could successfully pitch this to a major broadcaster. Since Turner has its Williams Street crew giving up the Anime on Cartoon Network, you'ld think they'd be interested in spinning off two new networks. They could keep them seperate from the more squeaky-clean Cartoon Network and Boomerang brands.
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one of the reasons i like anime so much is because there is usually more of a plot, a running plot even, in a series then anything ive seen on american tv.. and they deal with things that i find more interesting with science and technology and other stuff somone already mentioned such as existance (evangelion...) and i also find comedy in anime to be funnier than most stuff here, like ranma, full metal panic fumoffu, love hina, heck even the first few episodes of trigun...
Seeing western characters with exaggerated big round eyes in a Japanese cartoon is offensive to me. If it were a Western cartoon showing slanty-eyed Orientals, all hell would break loose.
Harvey Birdman and Futurama are the only two shows there I can stand to watch. The rest of them I find incredibly vapid, boring, insipid, and pointless.
Honestly, I can't even stand to listen to Home Movies... the voices are so bland it's almost painful. Yeah, I know it's supposed to be deadpan humour, but it just isn't very funny.
Space Ghost feels like the writers stayed up too late and were drunk and tried to write a script that no one followed, anyhow. They have nothing to talk about and try to hide that by zapping Zorak or something when they're bored. I'm bored with it right from the start.
Sealab 2021 is just stupid. I guess it's supposed to be funny because everyone in it is an idiot, but it's not. If I wanted to see idiots on TV, I'd be watching that reality crap or waiting for the upcoming presidential debates.
Aquateen Hunger Force? I think this show has spoiled. I know it's supposed to be some kind of spoof of some of the product-inspired toons of the past, but it's not really any better than them. At least it might, occasionally be funny, but not often enough to justify watching it.
The Family Guy? The Brak show? Does every damn show that wants to be "funny" have to make a show that might as well be called "Idiots on Parade"? I'm afraid these fall on the wrong side of the funny/stupid line. By FAR.
Oh well, if you count that only 2 out of those 8 are any good... 25% is better than nothing, I guess. Me? I'll stick to the anime, thanks. There's a much better S/N ratio there (and I don't know how Home Movies could be counted as anything BUT noise... I cringe whenever I hear the voices in it).
I'm still waiting for them to get to the end of that series. Ghost in the Shell would be a nice addition though.
I swear I had anime filtered out.
Fucking tentacle-rape-watching perverts.
You have obviously never seen Cowboy Bebop or Inuyasha just to name a few of the good one out there. There is alot of Anime out there you have to sift through it to find the good stuff.
I'm surprised no one has mentioned Hellsing. It's one of the best newer series I've seen in a long time (13 episodes total). Very good animation and some good action.
2 = a few?
Oh, you're one of them... I've met a few military personnel who thought they spoke Japanese. Good for a laugh, anyway.
well, when 4kids does subbing, expect the worst, especially when they adapt decent animes and butcher them, change dialog completely and cut out scenes, and put politically correct crap in.
Sonic X got completely ruined here in the US by 4kids, you should see the japanese version first
4kids not only changes the voices, but the music as well, better companies usually keep the music in.
The music is what makes that show bad ass in japan, but here, they play music that sounds like generic made tracks for syndicated shows you see on your local station that usually suck.
In japan, the music is original and usually bad ass.
That's my issue with dubs.
subs let you keep the music.
and sometimes, the voices are so bad that you actually cringe from the lameness or the shrill of the voices.
I feel compelled to mention, now that we're on the subject of intense content, that Narutaru (AKA Shadow Star) is THE most misadvertised show, EVER, in all respects, and even more intense than NTHT in its own right. Superficially it looks like Pokemon-type kids-with-magic-monsters, it's broadcast on Kid Station, the opening is cutesy, the first few episodes are inoffensive.
Then the abuse and slaughter cuts in.
And boy, does it get nasty. By the 13th episode anyone who isn't completely dead inside will be sickened by what's happening, even if they liked the show, and appalled at how misleading the previously mentioned things are. Apparently this had to do with the manga - it wasn't doing well in its original form for elementary kids, so the authors tweaked it "a bit" for an older audience, catching the US translators and distributors unaware, among others.
I wouldn't be surprised the the TV Execs in Japan were fooled too, it happened before when they put Evangelion on at 5pm. The $64k question is will they make more anime or not?
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A) There's not a big enough market for it.
B) Nobody could afford to license the TV rights for enough anime to cover a whole channel
C) Even if you had access to every anime ever produced, it still wouldn't be enough for one channel and you'd be showing stuff over and over again once you'd gone through it all.
D) What market the channel would have can't watch TV all day. Huge swaths of time would have essentially no viewership.
E) That wouldn't stop the market from trying to watch as much as possible, and they'd get burnt out and stop watching.
Bottom line - Adult Swim is actually doing the right thing here. They've got a daily time slot that keeps people coming back, and a strong brand that they can potentially expand when the time is right. Much like there is a Toonami block on KidsWB, there will probably eventually be an Adult Swim block one or two times a week on a regular channel in prime time (which is what AS needs the most), probably on the WB. In the meantime, they need to get enough of a library that they don't need to show the same things over and over again, and can do shows once a week instead of all week long to fill time.
---If you can't trust a nerd, who can you trust?
Yeah, you can never forget the sheer magnitude of crap in the world. That's for the correction.
Comparing it to Windows will be a moot point, since El Dorado is going to have a 40% larger code base than XP.
I dunno about your coworkers, but my coworkers (I live in Japan) tend to only go on about the stuff they liked as kids. It's all dreadfully boring & stupid, but then if somebody came up to me and started talking GI Joe or Transformers, I'd probably be happy as a clam. For people from their late 20's to late 30's in Japan, anime is the stuff from their childhood, not all the shojo/tentacle/whathaveyou that gets produced now.
That said, there is good anime, but there are also good books, good movies, and good musicians. That doesn't stop stores from being full of diet books, I Know What You Did Last Summer, and Brittney Spears. Any medium is mostly composed of crap. Anime and manga are the same. However, for a country that doesn't have this medium (well, America has cartoons, but not mature cartoons (and by mature I don't mean sex and violence, I just mean aimed at adults)), I can see the draw. It's like if you lived in a country with no movies: you'd think movies were awesome and you'd want movies to be imported. You might even be blinded to the fact that the Pluto Nash you're watching is absolute crap.
I don't know your tastes, so I wouldn't know what to recommend, but stuff that I've liked (which is not necessarily the typical alpha-geek anime/manga selection) is: Silent Service (Chinmoku no kantai) about a Japanese submarine crew which steals their sub, declares independence from Japan, and has a huge huge amount of politics (well done, in that all countries positions are understandable and realistic), Naniwa Kinyudo, about how loan sharks work (written by an ex-lawyer, and very accurate), and Nausicaa (yeah, yeah, I know, typical famous manga dreck, but unlike the horrible anime version, very complex, very long, and very interesting).
There is good stuff out there, that isn't about tentacles, junior high girls, robots, or exploding heads, but as with any medium, the majority is dreck.
Oh, and as a rule of thumb, only take anime/manga recommendations from coworkers who also recommend good movies or good books. A Japanese worker who loved Armaggedon and Speed is going to have equally horrible tastes in anime.
No. Not military. I could never pass one of their requirements that deals with "unit cohesion." Besides, I never said I was an expert. That's near impossible, but let's just say this: all the white dudes who would end sentences with ne when I was in Sapporo would immediately get pegged as Anime watching wackoffs. Why? Only women and children do this. I am a yo man myself, but I do conjugate suru. Still, I am no Toshiro Mifune, that's for sure.
Comparing it to Windows will be a moot point, since El Dorado is going to have a 40% larger code base than XP.
As long as we are talking about Cartoon Network, I got to wondering, is Mainframe Entertainment ever going to bring the show Reboot back and continue the story where they left off?
Is Naruto licensed and released over here by CN...I usually like the more serious anime series', but Naruto is just pain fun, and for all those who would compare it with DBZ its worlds above it..there's actually *gasp* character development...
If the sentence says Ghost in the Shell (the movie) and GitS (The TV Series), the first one in the sentence is the former, and the latter one in the sentence is the latter.
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Goddamn this series sucked hard. The animation was superb and the first few episodes were entertaining, but past that it got repetitive, stupid, and the ending was definitely not worth the trip.
Things get really goofy and bizarre as the series progresses, and it undoes all the good stuff that it builds up in the early episodes. My advice is to watch it until Robin gets control of her Ultimate Witch Skill or whatever it is, then stop watching and pretend it was a great series that ended in an untimely manner, rather than farting out a few cliches and predictable endings later on.
The point is that they have thousands of hours of shit. I have a lot of stuff too, but only a quick sample of most things. I only make sure to get something if it really is good.
I know people who have thousands of hours of movies, and I almost never like what they throw on, because they are watching the medium to death.
If you want good anime, you need to be picky. It takes a bit to learn how to recognize the good anime.
If you like dark, powerful stories: Now and Then, Here and There.
If you like action/sci-fi stories: Hellsing or Cowboy Bebop
Comedy: Full Metal Panic? Fumoffu
Sarcastic and Messed-Up Comedy: Excel Saga
Mentally Challenging/Psychological/Action: Evangelion
(These suggestions were from what I like, so they won't apply to a great many people)
Basically, as with any other medium, it has something for most any taste. All things considered, I mostly watch it because I really can't stand what is on American TV. I watch anime and movies, that is all. Anime is in easy-to-consume twenty-two minute blocks which I can throw in whenever I watch something short. Movies are longer and fill longer blocks of time. Both have thought/conversation provoking material, depending on who I am watching them with.
Also, and this likely will never apply to you, I am an artist (not too good) and do some animation (not too well) and I enjoy watching some anime purely as art (for that, try "The Wings of Honneamise"; it is truly incredible). Likewise, in some movies I appreciate the lighting and sound more than the acting and story (although it needs to have at least a decent story with okay acting, or I can't take it).
Enough rambling.
Well, there's the whole episode about the guy who skins people alive. That'll need some cutting - I felt quite ill after watching it, and it takes a lot to get me there..
BBK
How about releasing the DVDs actually filled with content instead of shipping DVDs with 50 minutes of video so I need to store piles of them.
God, that irritates me. FLCL is a great series, but it's only 2 hours, 30 minutes long. It fits on a single DVD with space to spare. Why is FLCL spread out over three DVDs? Okay, so the publisher wants to be greedy and justify the $65 I'm going to have to spend on it ("Oooooh, look, I get three pieces of $0.50 plastic instead of just one"). Just gouge me the $65 and give me a single, easy to store DVD. You've got a government granted monopoly in the form of copyright, your customers are relatively price tolerant.
Greedy, customer hating, fscking publishers.
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Yes, it was broadcast on a per-episode PPV basis on non-network TV, so they didn't actually have to follow Japanese TV standards (which, contrary to the poster above you, are fairly lax compared to US network TV).
In all the fansubs I've seen, the bottom of the TV Tokyo logo is visible right before the credits. AFAIK, TV Tokyo is a broadcast network, not pay-per-view.
Cartoon Network is a cable channel, which also has fairly lax standards compared to US network TV. So they can probably show it without editing, especially at night.
It's just the original Full Metal Panic, without most of the serious stuff. For those who doesn't know, the original Full Metal Panic had Sagara Souske, a professional solider/teenager (with absolutely -zero- common sense and social skills) assigned to protect Chidori Kaname from the Russians because she is one of the 'Whispered', people who are born with 'Black' technology. Sagara is part of Mithril, a self-appointed military division. (Taken from animenfo.com)
Full Metal Panic 2 (Also known as Full Metal Panic : Fumoffu) is more about Sagara and Chidori than about the whole Mithril thing. I mean, he blows up his shoebox with plastic explosives because he found a hair in front of his shoebox and thought that someone sent him a mailbomb, when in fact it was a love letter.
One of my favourite episodes was the Rugby one (ep 10), and it was aired just before the World Cup started. Turning a team of pansies into killers... bwahahahahahhaa
Anyhow, FMP2 is a great series and I suggest you check it out while it's still unlicensed. Also, FMP3 is rumored to be in the planning and will focus more of the military-side of things. Which I find very interesting as well. And if I didn't mention it eariler, FMP contains mecha called Arm Slaves (AS), and Souske is a good pilot of it. FMP2 contains a mechanized teddy bear costume named 'Bonta-kun', that Sousuke made himself after he stole the costume from a theme park, and he absolutely kicks ASS!
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when will they bring it back?
why isn't it available (in its entirety) on dvd?
sigh.
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Now if only Teletoon and/or Space would catch on and start showing some more Anime! YTV has always been anime-friendly but they appear to be restricted to their Youth format and only show such things as Dragonball, Inuyasha, Cardcaptor Sakura, Beyblade, Pokemon, etc.
Space, on the other hand, has been claiming in their FAQ for the past 4 years that they've tried showing Anime before on a weekly basis but that it didn't make much of an impact in ratings. I think it's about time they reevalutated their stance, however. Spirited Away won an Oscar, and the Animatrix is awesome bridge between the (often overlapping) realms of Sci-Fi and Anime. Meanwhile, shows like Cowboy Bebop, Outlaw Star, and movies like Ghost In The Shell exist squarely within Space station's format and I for one think that they deserve a chance at proving themselves on Canadian cable television.
I like these shows and watch many of them, but I feel like I'm the only one that misses the days of Bugs Bunny, Tom & Jerry etc ...
Not to mention InuYasha got a bit repetitive somewhere in the 20's. Wee I found another shard! Oh no, sexual angst between Inuyasha and the priestess and her reincarnation, the short-skirted schoolgirl!
TV Tokyo helped fund the series; it didn't broadcast it.
Can you quite honestly say you think it's good to set a trend of censoring all anime to broadcast it?
Cartoon network, even in its famed adult swim, does very much so censor anime. I really don't like the trend this sets, in fact I've refused to watch their network on a whole after how horribly they butchered Tenchi Muyo! back several years ago.
So I personally would prefer anime just not be broadcast to this, as I detest censorship of any kind and the effects it has are often very wide reaching. Tenchi Muyo had its plot blurred and obfuscated because of it, and other animes suffered a similar fate and yet more may as well if this sort of thing continues. Just say no to censorship, hold out for the ideal, uncut anime.
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It should have been www.witchhunteronline.com. Warning - you need flash to view it.
Does it matter? Nope... none of it does until they bring Furi Kuri back!
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You're quite right, American entertainment conglomerates are afraid to make their audiences do any work. Like read subtitles. Or follow complicated plots. Or deal with moral ambiguity....
1. The laws of physics need not apply. This can make for some rather funny situations (granted, hollywood special effects are catching up here) 2. It is easy(cheap) to create fantastic settings. 3. It is possible to create some amazing costumes. 4. The director has more "control" over everything, making it easier to create a certain "feel".
While most of the episode doesn't require editing, some requires major surgery. In the episode "Jungle Cruise", Boutu of Section 9 confronts his past as a CIA operative who conducts psyop warfare on a gurella forces. One of his former comrad went insane himself, and took that technique to Japan in an attempt to get Boutu to kill him. The psyop warfare technique involves skinning a women, while keeping her alive to be found by her people. I just don't see how they're going to get around the issue of skinning.
Yeah, I could hardly believe the "bare-assed antics" either (especially when you realize the result is that Naota pops wood).
Neither could this woman (she obviously doesn't understand the concept of "Adult" Swim).
So, you'ld rather watch the same 6 episodes of FLCL over and over again as opposed to 26 episodes of a new series? Don't get me wrong, I like FLCL and Cowboy Bebop, but damn! There are only so many repeats a guy can take! And I, for one, and ready for some new series that I haven't seen yet...
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