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The Most Incorrect Assumptions In Computing?

Miss Muis writes "After reading once again that Moore's Law will become obsolete, I amused myself thinking back to all the predictions, absolutes and impossibles in computing that have been surpassed with ease. In the late 80s I remember it being a well regarded popular 'fact' that 100MHz was the absolute limit for the speed of a CPU. Not too many years later I remember much discussion about hard drives for personal computers being physically unable to go much higher than 1GB. Let's not forget "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers" from the chairman of IBM in 1943, and of course 'Apple is dying...' (for the past 25 years). What are your favorite beliefs-turned-on-their-heads in the history of computing?"

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  1. My Personal Favorite... by nanolith · · Score: 5, Insightful

    *BSD is Dying...

    Totally untrue. *BSD rules. :-P

    1. Re:My Personal Favorite... by jcenters · · Score: 5, Funny

      With Mac OS X, I guess Apple and BSD can die together!

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  2. the list by grub · · Score: 5, Funny

    640K is enough for anyone. (that one was easy)

    This Internet thing is a fad.

    No one will want to look at a man stretching his bottom wide open.

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    1. Re:the list by grub · · Score: 5, Funny


      CB doesn't have the visual impact of the net. Take the following exchance:

      CB Prankster on 19 "Breaker one-nine"
      CB Victim on 19 "go ahead"
      CB Prankster on 19 "Hey good buddy, check out channel 17!"
      CD Victim on 19 "OK.. *click click*"
      CD Victim on 17 "Hi"
      CB Prankster Accomplice on 17 "Ha ha! I'm pulling my ass open!"
      CD Victim on 17 "Oh dammit, fell for that again.."



      I have this thing for The Man..

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    2. Re:the list by You're+All+Wrong · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That is the single funniest post _ever_ in the history of slashdot.

      I stand in awe.

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  3. RAM by Ty_Webb · · Score: 5, Funny

    I swear, this will be the last batch of RAM I'll ever need...

  4. Obligatory Simpsonism by Raul654 · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...I predict that within 100 years computers will be twice as powerful, 10,000 times larger, and so expensive that only the five richest kings of Europe will own them. --Prof Frink, Much Apu About Nothing

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    1. Re:Obligatory Simpsonism by IntelliTubbie · · Score: 4, Funny

      Apu: Could it be used for dating?

      Frink: Well, theoretically, yes, BUT the computer matches would be SO PERFECT as to eliminate the thrill of romantic conquest.

      Glaven!
      IT

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  5. Video hardware... by kneecarrot · · Score: 5, Funny
    How about the assumption that my $500 graphics card will last at least until next year.

    Right...

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  6. My favorite by mrpuffypants · · Score: 5, Funny

    My favorite bad product assumption is right in its title:

    Microsoft Works

  7. my personal favorite by kurosawdust · · Score: 5, Funny

    people will be thankful to have a anthropomorphic paperclip tell them what to do.

    1. Re:my personal favorite by ptomblin · · Score: 4, Funny

      And the project manager for Bob was punished in the worst way possible - they made her marry Bill Gates.

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  8. Storage Space by kidgenius · · Score: 5, Informative

    Whenever I get a new harddrive, i invariably say "I'll never be able to fill that up" and somehow within about 2 years time I'm out buying an extra hard drive.

    1. Re:Storage Space by grub · · Score: 5, Funny


      Indeed. In 1982 I had a BBS running on an Apple ][+ with 2x 143K floppies. In '84 I bought a 10 MB hard drive for the BBS and thought "Holy moly.. I'll never fill this up.."

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    2. Re:Storage Space by Mysticalfruit · · Score: 4, Funny

      Umm, can I surmize that your 10mb harddrive was quickly filled with ascii fisting porn, based on the link you left in your sig?

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  9. If you ask Ray Kurzweil he might say by stroustrup · · Score: 5, Interesting

    the worst assumption many of us are making is that humans are not themselves computers.
    About Kurzweil

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    1. Re:If you ask Ray Kurzweil he might say by russellh · · Score: 5, Insightful
      the worst assumption many of us are making is that humans are not themselves computers.

      It's an interesting intellectual exercise, but the idea that we are merely computers is nothing more than the continued novelty of the computer, just as we once thought of ourselves and the world as clockwork. Wishful thinking, or perhaps professional myopia. Everyone thinks their field is the key to the universe. But this is not theory, so until someone can actually create complex life, I see no reason to believe people like Ray. Show me the money.

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    2. Re:If you ask Ray Kurzweil he might say by Grimxn · · Score: 4, Informative

      Duh! The Church-Turing thesis proves "computational equivalence" of algorithmic machines of a certain standard. To validate your incorrect claim, you have to first prove that we are error-free, insight-free algorithmic machines. Error-free means no inferential errors (some humans make them), and Insight-free means no trans-rational mechanisms are involved in the inference: like drugs, madness, religion, fear, inspiration, individual experience (many humans' logics are trans-rational, maybe mine).

      We are no more computers than we were when Descartes conjectured that a thinking machine could be constructed by hydraulics, so impressed were the folk of the day with the achievments of that technology!

  10. Picking up chicks by ThomasFlip · · Score: 4, Funny

    Flashing my dual 2.0 ghz g5 hasn't gotten me laid yet, I guess I was wrong !

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  11. download by mrscorpio · · Score: 4, Informative

    Download (supposed) - definition of the transfer of data from any source to another.

    Download (actual) - definition of the transfer of data from an network to your machine.

    Uses:

    1. "I downloaded the software from the CD to my computer."

    2. "I downloaded the file from the internet."

    3. "I downloaded the file into my e-mail and sent it to him."

    Only #2 is correct.

    I had to berate my father for WEEKS before he learned the intricacies of Download vs. Upload vs. Install.

    Chris

    1. Re:download by haystor · · Score: 5, Funny

      Demonstrate with a beer.

      Upload it to the refrigerator.

      Download it from the refrigerator.

      Install it.

      Uninstall it.

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      t
  12. Home Computer by southpolesammy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "There is no reason for any individual to have a computer in their home." -- Kenneth Olson, 1977, founder of Digital

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    1. Re:Home Computer by arth1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I find the sales arguments for the first hobby computers the worst miss at all. Or is it just me who isn't using the computer to keep track of all my recipes?

      The second worst would be that we would be in a paperless society. Uhm, yeah, unfortunately some shmock invented wysimolwyg PRINTERs too.

      Other than that, I see new predictions fail all the time, and even being reinvented. Who else remembers the "Gorilla Arm Syndrome" of the 80's with touch screens? They were predicted to take over, but that didn't happen. And it ain't happening now either, with the flatbed computers -- touch screens just aren't ergonomic enough for any prolonged use, as most people can't keep their hands in the air for any length of time.
      Same with gyroscopic mice -- they're going the way of the Dodo, despite happy predictions.

      Regards,
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  13. Re:Bill Gates once said... by peterprior · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nope he never said that.. sorry... popular myth

    Here's a Wired.com article with some more details

  14. How about... by r_j_prahad · · Score: 4, Funny

    Slashdot - News for Nerds. Stuff that Matters?

  15. #1 on the list by phillymjs · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Windows is the best OS because the most people use it."

    ~Philly

  16. There have been some real humdingers... by gklinger · · Score: 4, Funny
    "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." - Thomas Watson, Chairman, IBM

    "There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home." - Ken Olsen, Founder, Digital Equipment Corporation

    Or my personal favorite...

    "Trust me, this is way better than OS/2." - The dude at Computer City that sold me my copy of WIndows 95. Bastard.

    1. Re:There have been some real humdingers... by MisterFancypants · · Score: 4, Interesting
      "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." - Thomas Watson, Chairman, IBM

      "There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home." - Ken Olsen, Founder, Digital Equipment Corporation

      I don't think Watson's quote really fits into these sorts of discussions because the entire nature of what a 'computer' is was entirely different when he said it.

      Olsen's quote, however, is simple lack of vision since he was addressing fairly modern era PCs directly.

    2. Re:There have been some real humdingers... by T-Ranger · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I think in comparing these two quotes, its important to see where their respective companies are now.

      IBM continues to be one of the leading (if not the leader) computer companies, and as a business has been around for more then a century, and has always been profitable. They clearly have recovered from a momentary laps in judgement, which, in historical context can be forgiven.

      DEC, on the other hand.. Well, Olsen was a dumbass, plain and simple. He also is quoted as saying "Unix is snakeoil". What is amazing is not that DEC got swallowed up by Compaq, a companies whose core business is putting computers in peoples homes, but that they managed to survive as long as they did with morons like Olsen at the heml.

  17. A little Googling and: by Liselle · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "I believe OS/2 is destined to be the most important operating system, and possibly program, of all time. As the successor to DOS, which has over 10,000,000 systems in use, it creates incredible opportunities for everyone involved with PCs."

    -- Bill Gates, from "OS/2 Programmer's Guide" (forward by Bill Gates)

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  18. How about by IthnkImParanoid · · Score: 5, Funny

    ....the assumption that people will pay $500 for hardware that will be obsolete in a year?

    oh, wait....

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  19. Computers make life easier? by DenOfEarth · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I remember working at a research firm for an internship, and the head of our department said over lunch one day that he actually spent more time dealing with problems he was having with his computer than actually doing any useful work. I've noticed this with myself also, and even though I enjoy figuring out what's going on with my computer, I imagine many people don't. Email and websurfing always suck away my working hours, what with a PC right here on my desk, and not to mention that I get asked to help other people out with their machines every once in a while, it wastes both our time.

    Makes me think though...wasn't it always implied that computers would save peoples time? Has that assumption yet proved that it is indeed true? I'm not so sure it has, although maybe that's because we aren't using the things the right way. Perhaps we are waiting for a computer savvy workforce and then this might be true...but then again, who knows...

  20. 100MHz was the absolute limit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    100MHz was the absolute limit for the speed of a CPU

    Yeah, but that was because your MHz display had only two digits.

  21. Ars Technica: Ultimate Limits of Computers by briglass · · Score: 5, Informative

    Check out this article from Ars Technica: http://www.arstechnica.com/wankerdesk/01q2/limits/ limits-1.html

    Entitled "The Ultimate Limits of Computers," it deals with issues including not only Moore's law, but quantum mechanics... such as Plank's constant, Boltzmann's constant, the gravitational constang, the application of quantum mechanics to thermodynamics, and other interesting things that I barely (read: don't) understand.

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  22. 40MB Hard Drive is Plenty by Alan+Livingston · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I remember telling my father once after he had bought a 40Mb hard drive that this should last him forever. Nothing could ever fill up more than this. Of course this was well before the days of .mp3 and .mpg.

    When I was a kid, I remember watching the Jetsons and when George came home from work he coomplained that he had just finished a hard day at work pushing buttons. I remarked to my father that Noone could ever get a job where all they did was push buttons all day. Now, except for the one knob on the 'scope under my desk, all my interfaces to the outside world ARE buttons.

    I guess I'm full of underestimations...

    1. Re:40MB Hard Drive is Plenty by Wylfing · · Score: 5, Funny
      I remarked to my father that Noone could ever get a job where all they did was push buttons all day. Now, except for the one knob on the 'scope under my desk, all my interfaces to the outside world ARE buttons.

      Pardon me?

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    2. Re:40MB Hard Drive is Plenty by Rorschach1 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hell, when I was in the 9th grade we managed to fill up a 40 meg drive with porn GIF's downloaded at 2400 baud using bogus BBS accounts.

      Hmm, that ought to be a law of some sort... like 'the availability of pornography will increase at a rate sufficient to match any advances in data storage and transfer technology.' Yeah, I like that. Scott's law on digital smut. Bound to hold true longer than Moore's Law.

    3. Re:40MB Hard Drive is Plenty by Billly+Gates · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Now, except for the one knob on the 'scope under my desk, all my interfaces to the outside world ARE buttons."

      Well with a MCSE you can get a job clicking icons.

  23. Re:My favorite lie by GoofyBoy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Conversly;

    "Linux is good enough right now for the desktop."

    is being laughed at right now.

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  24. My favorite... by Wakko+Warner · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That idiot Bob Metcalfe loves trotting this one out every few years:

    THE INTERNET IS GROWING TOO FAST, AND WILL COLLAPSE UPON ITSELF PRESENTLY.

    I think he just wants everyone to know that he invented Ethernet, and needs to throw this story out there every couple years so people don't forget he actually did accomplish something at some point in time. Like 20 years ago.

    - A.P.

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  25. One year from now... by zeux · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ... we won't need floppy disks anymore.

    It's been ten year that I hear this statement continuously. Last time I broke the MBR on a server without a CD drive, I had no other choice than to boot on a floppy.

    1. Re:One year from now... by rossz · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And now it's true. The last two computers I ordered, I specifically said "No floppy drive". One system was for my wife at her work (her company paid for it) and the other was for me (my new server). We both have 128Meg USB drives. Mine is a Laks watch, hers is a conventional type that she calls "the gadget".

      She loves her USB drive. In the past, when she wanted to bring work home (which is very often) she would either put it on a zip disk (which are too damn slow and are not reliable) or burn a CD, which was reliable but took too long. Floppy was out because the file was too big (MS Access database). Now she just drags the file to the "removable drive" icon and she's done. It's USB 2.0 (the fast one -- er, is that fast or high speed?), so it copies damn fast.

      Oh, the system can be booted from USB or CD, so crash recovery is still possible.

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  26. Ken Olson of DEC by DickBreath · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Why would anyone want a computer in their home?" -- Ken Olson of DEC in late 1970's regarding personal computers.

    or something to that effect.


    "Whereas computers today weigh 1 ton and require 18,000 vaccum tubes, computers in the future will weigh only 1/2 ton and have under 1,000 vaccum tubes." -- Popular Mechanics, 1949.

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  27. .com bubble is sustainable... by CHaN_316 · · Score: 5, Funny

    and given enough venture capital, an internet start up will be super profitable on the internet even though it has never made a profit, and doesn't have a sound business plan, and has a super inflated stock price.

    But, it does have a great shiny mission statement:

    "It's our responsibility to synergistically provide access to world-class sources as well as to assertively facilitate enterprise-wide opportunities" - Dilbert Mission Statment Generator

    (Stock brokers in a flurry) BUY! BUY! BUY! BUY! BUY!

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  28. Re:Bill Gates once said... by Otter · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Ironically, what's being demonstrated here is that the most widely believed incorrect notion is that Bill Gates ever said "We'll never need more than 640K of RAM!".

    Back to the original topic, I'd point to the idea that sticking children in front of computers somehow magically benefits them.

  29. Dying ...? by MikeCapone · · Score: 5, Funny

    So now that Apple uses *BSD, is it dying twice as fast?

    1. Re:Dying ...? by wed128 · · Score: 5, Funny

      ahh the slashdot troll...

      modded down untill it becomes a cliche, then modded up untill it becomes annoying, at which point it will be modded down again...

      the cycle of life...

  30. not computers, by stylerm · · Score: 5, Funny

    Its not computers, but in the early 1900, or maybe late 1800, it was believed that the human brain couldnt process all the information necessary to travel over 35 mph. And if you did travel faster than that speed you would go insane. Its a good thing that we have cell phones now, so we can drive whit out abosorbing insane amounts of information from the road.

  31. Great Heinlein-ism by Fished · · Score: 5, Interesting
    This remind me of one of the aphorisms in Heinlein's Time Enough for Love:
    "If an elderly respected expert in a given field tells you that something can be done he is almost certainly right. If an elderly respected expert in a given field tells you that something is impossible, he is almost certainly wrong."
    Just think it, believe it, dream about it and it's real man.
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  32. Re:The truth might be out there by dboyles · · Score: 4, Informative
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  33. Paperless office, bah! by rcastro0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Working as a consultant I am faced everyday with what I think is the biggest failed promise:
    That computers would bring about the "paperless office".

    Not only they didn't, but they made people consume more paper than ever before. On top of all the paper spent, the cost of printing pages increased, as industry made us believe that ink jets were better, and B&W laser passee.

    For more discussion see an article in Newsday about it. There's even a full book dedicated to the question of why the paperless office never came to be.

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  34. my favorites by plopez · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The mainframe is dead

    "I don't understand why people would need more than 4gb..." (Bill Gates in an interview on 64 bit ccomputing, in which he said he didn't understand peoples' interest in it)

    XML will replace relational databases

    OOP will lead to more robust, easier to maintain and higher quality software

    By making COBOL resemble English, anyone can program.

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    1. Re:my favorites by timjdot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Good ones.

      I also liked that business progression predictions:
      1) people would migrate from MF (never did)
      2) people would not move from Netware (80% market share) to NT (did)
      3) home users will not use Lunix (dooh!)
      4) Now we have alongside Apple is dead, Sun is dead, and others.
      5) I remember in 97-98 we all thought 64 bit would be mainstream by 99-00. Boy did that not happen. Save Nintendo I guess.

      Oh yeah, what about distributed computing... DCOM will be, Web services will be, ...

      Surely nobody ever predicted that computer technology would head straight for whatever is the slowest way:
      Why program sockets when HTTP is 100 times slower?
      Why program to a relational database or object system when XML text is 100s of times slower?
      Why compile when we can interpret?
      Why run software on your cmoputer when you can connect to a terminal, web server, or host and do a 100 times less?
      Why not create about 20 layers between the application and the video card?
      Why hire experienced programmers when you can hire some with no experience 1/2 across the world and get the project done 100 times slower?

      Oh yeah, and then there's commodity computers. Everyone predicted that in the early '90's but the corp.s have successfully kept the prices high. Of course, with inflation we are starting to approach commodity computers.

      Finally the one about re-usable objects. Maybe sourceforge and open source projects like Apache are as close as we can get. In 94 I remember everyone figures there'd be online libraries where one could download whatever component was needed. Hah!

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  35. computers in the classroom by kidlinux · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How about the need for computers in the classroom? That's total BS as far as I'm concerned.

    I've been into computers for quite some time, and am enrolled in Computer Science at university. It's been obvious to me for years that computers in the classroom are a waste of time, energy, and resources for everyone involved.

    I try to tell people this, and they wonder why I say that, given my experience with computers. No doubt it's because the people making the decisions have no clue.

    Most adults on /. likely went through school without computers in the classroom. Did our educations suffer as a result? No. As far as I'm concerned, I was better off in school without a computer.

    Of course, we did have computers at school. Good ol' ICONs, and IBM 8086s. We had typing class a couple times a week, and learned to use a word processor, which is about as far as it needs to go. Leave computers for their own courses in high school (Computer Science and maybe some kind of class for basics.)

    Is it not obvious that more harm is being done than good, when it comes to computers in class? There are just so many things wrong with the whole idea. Perhaps one day when computers become more appliance-like, they'll be more beneficial in class, and will be put to use in such a fashion as to not create dependancies.

    What do you think?

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  36. Re:Bill Gates once said... by the+web · · Score: 5, Funny

    Taken from the Wired Article attributed above.

    "Meanwhile, I keep bumping into that silly quotation attributed to me that says 640K of memory is enough..."

    Hmm....looks like he said it atleast once. Flaimbait....check

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  37. Modems. by bellers · · Score: 5, Funny
    I remember when I was using a Hayes Smartmodem 300 on my C-64 to dial a BBS up in the 80's, I talked to my sysop friend about some scientists who were working on a 9600-baud modem. My friend was shocked and incredulous:



    ARE THEY OUT OF THEIR MINDS?! THE PHONE LINES WILL BURN UP!

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  38. Re:I Invented... by Foofoobar · · Score: 5, Informative

    Um... sorry. He never said that. He said he helped in the creation of the internet... which he did as some of the key people involved in Darpanet will admit to. He pushed to have Darpanet become publicly available to everyone.

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  39. Re:Al Gore by grasshoppa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While it might have seemed a bit of an boast, it is, technically, accurate.

    Links:
    http://www.firstmonday.dk/issues/issue5_ 10/wiggins /
    http://www.firstmonday.dk/issues/issue5_10/wigg ins /#w4

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  40. Good Times by gmuslera · · Score: 5, Interesting
    By the times it come out, one of the favorite arguments against it was really a computer virus was "there is no way to automatically being infected with a computer virus simply reading a mail".

    Luckily Microsoft proved that assumption was false.

  41. My Mac Friend... by Doc+Squidly · · Score: 5, Funny

    I have a Mac friend who say his G5 is "faster than the Internet" becuase everytime he opens his browser he gets "a page not found messege" and has to hit the refresh button.
    I keep on telling him that its just a bug and his computer isn't faster than his broadband connection. But, he doesn't beleive me.

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  42. SAP by HexaDex · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My fav is when our CFO asserted that when we migrated to SAP "we'd no longer need programmers". The sound you here is dozens of ABAPers laughing all the way to the bank...

  43. Power versus utility by TygerFish · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Moore's law is interesting and the immanent demise of Apple certainly so. However, the most interesting thing for me is how curiosity and greed work together to expand the frontiers in computers and what it's brought about.

    True, right now, the yearly, 'we'll-be-helpless-without-faster-computers!' cycle appears to have stopped or slowed down. Big IT buyers seem to have realized that you don't need a machine that could run a weather model to replace a typewriter and that's a real good thing.

    But what about software? I could be wrong. I don't do that much with my computer except surfing and writing, but much of what I see makes me wonder where all the really miraculous power of my computer is going.

    I've got an operating system that takes up non-trivial space on my harddrive and aside from a constant need to keep up with the virus writers, or dealing with stuff to make Microsoft happy, I'm not seeing the bennies.

    You'd think that with all this godawful power, there'd be a little more substance.

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  44. You'll go blind! by wanab12 · · Score: 5, Funny

    With all the porn on the internet, you'd think there would be a lot more blind men around.

  45. Full Snopes debunking of mythical quote by michaelggreer · · Score: 4, Informative

    As usual, they have the full scoop. He did indeed take great initiative in creating the internet, but the statement is still awkward and self-serving.

  46. MHz Myth by Alizarin+Erythrosin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That a higher clock speed means a faster processor.

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  47. Thankfully, your link debunks it too. by Wakko+Warner · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The truth of the matter is that Al Gore, while he was a member of Congress, did indeed sponsor several initiatives which lead to the popularization and commercialization of the Internet. Did it exist before he showed up? Sure, as an underutilized academic research network. Would most of the planet know about it today without his help? Doubtful.

    Personally, while I may dislike the man, I'm tired of hearing the same tired, stupid jokes repeated over and over again.

    - A.P.

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  48. Re:640K--not true by pete-classic · · Score: 5, Funny
    Maybe he said that, maybe he didn't.

    But he definitely wrote (or at least took the "credit" for writing):

    The obvious mathematical breakthrough would be development of an easy way to factor large prime numbers.

    in "The Road Ahead".

    -Peter
  49. I would rather point to Alan Turing by xpromache · · Score: 5, Interesting

    who in 1950 said that in 50 years we will be able to programme computers "to make them play the imitation game so well that an average interrogator will not have more than 70 per cent chance of making the right identification after five minutes of questioning" 53 years later we are still so incredible far from this. see this for more details.

  50. Japanese 5th Generation Software would dominate by HotNeedleOfInquiry · · Score: 4, Interesting
    In the 80's, the Japanese industry/government complex declared a massive project to completely redefine and *own* operating systems and application software.

    Since at the time, they had finished doing just that with consumer electronics industry and were well on the way to doing just that to the automotive industry, most CS types were justifably concerned.

    Well, the rest of the story is that it didn't happen. Not even a whimper of it got over to the western world.

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  51. Re:Al Gore by civilizedINTENSITY · · Score: 4, Informative

    Gore was popularizing the term "information superhighway" in the early 1990s (when few people outside academia or the computer/defense industries had heard of the Internet) and did introduce a few bills dealing with education and the Internet.

    According to Vint Cerf (Widely known as one of the "Fathers of the Internet," Cerf is the co-designer of the TCP/IP protocols and the architecture of the Internet. ) :
    "VP Gore was the first or surely among the first of the members of Congress to become a strong supporter of advanced networking while he served as Senator. As far back as 1986, he was holding hearings on this subject (supercomputing, fiber networks...) and asking about their promise and what could be done to realize them. Bob Kahn, with whom I worked to develop the Internet design in 1973, participated in several hearings held by then-Senator Gore and I recall that Bob introduced the term ``information infrastructure'' in one hearing in 1986. It was clear that as a Senator and now as Vice President, Gore has made it a point to be as well-informed as possible on technology and issues that surround it. As Senator, VP Gore was highly supportive of the research community's efforts to explore new networking capabilities and to extend access to supercomputers by way of NSFNET and its successors, the High Performance Computing and Communication program (which included the National Research and Education Network initiative), and as Vice President, he has been very responsive to recommendations made, for example, by the President's Information Technology Advisory Committee that endorsed additional research funding for next generation fundamental research in software and related topics. If you look at the last 30-35 years of network development, you'll find many people who have made major contributions without which the Internet would not be the vibrant, growing and exciting thing it is today. The creation of a new information infrastructure requires the willing efforts of thousands if not millions of participants and we've seen leadership from many quarters, all of it needed, to move the Internet towards increased availability and utility around the world. While it is not accurate to say that VP Gore invented Internet, he has played a powerful role in policy terms that has supported its continued growth and application, for which we should be thankful. We're fortunate to have senior level members of Congress and the Administration who embrace new technology and have the vision to see how it can be put to work for national and global benefit. "

  52. Correction: by Thud457 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    "This data processing stuff is all a fad" -- Spencer Tracey, in The Desk Set

    I just know that was driving you all nuts.

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    the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

  53. Re:Al Gore by jeffy124 · · Score: 4, Funny

    you're right! He even got his name into it! The whole thing is, after all, based on Al-Gore-ithms. [sound of a million /.'ers groaning]

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  54. Dvorak on the mouse by rtm1 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    "The Macintosh uses an experimental pointing device called a 'mouse.' There is no evidence that people want to use these things." (John C. Dvorak, SF Examiner, Feb. 1984.)

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    "Belief means not wanting to know what is true." [Nietzche, The Anti-Christ, 1889]
  55. Re:Bill Gates once said... by befletch · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Ok, Gates claims he never said it. Great. I'd leave it at that, but I went to a talk he gave at the University of Waterloo in 1989, and he did meekly accept responsibility for that quote. We all politely chuckled, and the talk went on.

    I could easily be mistaken, as that was quite a while ago, but I distinctly remember it as a mea culpa.

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  56. DRM, Copy Protection ... by Stavr0 · · Score: 5, Funny

    "With Macrovision we will eliminate bootleg VHS copies once and for all!"

    "With Laserlok we will eliminate software piracy once and for all!"

    "With Cactus Datashield we will eliminate Audio CD ripping once and for all!"

    for each $drm_product
    for each $technology
    "With {$drm_product} we will eliminate {$technology} piracy once and for all!"
    end
    end

    1. Re:DRM, Copy Protection ... by IthnkImParanoid · · Score: 5, Funny

      Dude, you just replaced Jack Valenti with a very small shell script.

      Awesome.

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  57. Disagree by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wonder if we can have a useful discussion without flames and insults? It is Slashdot after all!

    I think the problem is that computers aren't being used in their strengths: As long as you use computers as fancy notepads and chalkboards, computers are useless in a classroom.

    However, if you cater to their strengths and capabilities, I think computers are invaluable:
    1) Their ability to network and connect classrooms with other locations, such as other classrooms, servers with data such as photographs, maps, and things you can't store in a classroom.

    2) Their ability to virtualize. See things you can't afford to go see, do things you can't afford to go do, teach things you can't afford to otherwise teach! Books, encyclopedias, and videos offer a very static virtual representation, where a computer can be interactive! Not only can you 'see' different animals at various depths of the ocean with a computer (which a video can do just as well), you can *explore* too! Find out what happens at various pressures to your ship, to your body, see how snowflakes form, how ants find food; and then fiddle with a few settings, and see *different* snowflakes, see the ants starve, and see your ship crumple! You can design airplanes, and see if they fly or fall, you can create space stations, and see if your astronauts starve, overheat, or get bored to death!

    3) Interactivity. Very tied to virtualization and networking, you can interact with a computer in a way that you cannot with a video or a book. You can change things, simulate things, watch things, and then go back and change more things. You can have a classroom that happens to have access to a freshwater lake do experiments and research, connected to a classroom that happens to have a database, some programming kids, and a good grasp of math, and at the end of each day each classroom can learn things that before networking neither could!

    4) Data manipulation and storage. You can store lots of photographs, keep tremendous databases, perform tedious analysis, and create pictures out of raw numbers that a child, or even an adult, cannot. Measure the temperature, humidity, rainfall, pressure, cloud cover/sunlight, and wind at 400 locations 10 times a day across a city, and have the kids create programs to access, correlate, and manipulate that data and see if they can spot trends, correlations, and causations!

    So yes, there are reasons to have computers in the classroom. No, right now no one does it properly.

  58. The REAL legacy of Microsoft Bob: by runlvl0 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Remember "Bob" from Microsoft? The predecessor to "Clippy"?

    The REAL legacy of Microsoft Bob, from Wikipedia:

    Microsoft Bob was a project managed by Melinda French, who later married Bill Gates to become Melinda Gates.

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  59. Re:9600 baud by Vihai · · Score: 5, Informative

    In facts, something like 3429 baud/s is the maximum *baud rate* of an analog phone line, 8000 is the maximum baud rate for a semi-digital phone line (V.90).

  60. Re:Bill Gates once said... by tchuladdiass · · Score: 4, Informative

    It is NOT a limition of DOS, it is a limitation of the original IBM PC HARDWARE. You see, in 1981, the IBM PC was built around the Intel 8088 CPU, which could address 1024k of memory. The upper 384k was reserved by the hardware for the system bios, video ram, video bios, and any other board that needed memory-mapped I/O. Even the 80286 CPU had the 1024K limitation when it ran in "real" (8086/8088) mode.

  61. Re:Bill Gates once said... by mec · · Score: 5, Interesting

    MS-DOS does not have a 640K memory limit.

    I've used a computer that had 900K of memory and ran MS-DOS just fine. All of it was conventional memory. No tricks.

    The 640K limit comes from the following architectural limitations:

    (1) Intel 8086 physical addresses are 20 bits long.
    (2) IBM partitioned the 1 megabyte address space into 640K of memory space, 384K of device space.

    Other manufacturers made MS-DOS computers that were not PC register compatible. Some of them did allocate more of the 1024K address space to memory. MS-DOS works just fine up to the physical addressing limit of the 8086.

    Back around 1981, I read a Byte article about the new IBM PC which said that it had a gigantic memory space. And they were right! Filling up that 640K would cost about $5000 at the price of memory back then. I think it's reaasonable for a personal computer to have enough address space to handle $5000 worth of memory (especially when $5000 in 1981 dollars is worth quite a bit more than $5000 in 2003 dollars).

    Are you using a 64-bit desktop yet? Because if you're not, your 2003 desktop computer can't handle $5000 of memory!

  62. Politians NEVER do this.... righhht. by MrPerfekt · · Score: 5, Informative

    He was campaigning, folks! What do people do when they want to get elected.. well, let's see they brag about things they have accomplished in the past. So without further ado, AL GORE DID TAKE INITIATIVE IN CREATING THE INTERNET.

    He fathered the bill that changed that odd, government and acedemic research network known as Arpanet into the Internet where people from all around can use it for all different sorts of purposes.

    So if he wrote the bill, does that not mean he didn't take initiative in creating the Internet? Would it not be unreasonable for him to bring up this fact while he was campaigning and trying to get people to see "Hey, look what I did!"?

    So please, get with it and stop political trolling. Thanks!

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  63. Re:640K--not true by TimboJones · · Score: 5, Funny
    I can factor any prime number (so can you!), thus:
    sub factors($prime){
    return ($prime, 1);
    }
    Of course, we all know he mean 'factor large numbers to primes'.
  64. Re:640K--not true by mjh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First things first. The original poster didn't attribute the quote to Bill Gates. So a denial from Bill Gates doesn't mean that someone didn't actually say it. Second, someone had to have come to that conclusion, whether they said it or not, because that was in fact the limit. Third, if I were Bill Gates, and I *had* said that incredibly stupid thing, the chances are pretty high that (a) I'd lie about it later on, or (b) I'd forget that I said it.

    My point is that Bill Gates is denying it. Bill Gates also says that Microsoft is not a monopoly. Bill Gates saying something does not necessarily make it true.

    $.02

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  65. Leisure society by Nameless+Poltroon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "Computers will lead to a leisure society where people have much more free time for personal pursuits and family"

    - my grade 10 high school teacher19 years ago

  66. Obligatory Futurama Quote by CHaN_316 · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Hi, I'm Al Gore, the inventor of the environment and first emperor of the moon." - Al Gore (futurama)

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    "There is no spoon." - The Matrix
  67. Re:DAMN IT. by bigjocker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A normal, sane person would understand it.

    Yes, as a normal, sane person, I understand it: he is 100% correct.

    Befor the Congress pushed for it's opening to the world, there was no such thing known as the 'Internet'; there was a closed network of universities and military computers (ever wondered what DARPA means?).

    He, as a congressman, was one of the main players in opening that network to the world, so he played a very important role (if not the most important) in the creation of the 'Internet'.

    It seems to me that the un-normal, un-sane person in this thread is, you.

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  68. Re:Bill Gates once said... by mec · · Score: 5, Informative

    A "server" in 1981 would be something like a PDP-11 or Vax on the low end. Such machines were more expensive than desktop computers, and had larger physical address spaces. Even a modest PDP-11/70 had 22 address bits.

    Most people preferred to spend $2000 on a PC with a 16-bit address space rather than $10000 on a PDP-11 with a 22-bit address space.

    I think that 20 address bits were plenty for 1981. The real problem was that there was no upgrade path for about 10 years after that. The Intel 8086 was 20 bits, fine. The Intel 80186 was 20 bits, okay. The Intel 80286 had "protected mode" addressing to increase the addres space, but it was nearly impossible for an operating system to context switch between "protected mode" and "real mode" (there was no instruction to do it, so an OS had to actually REBOOT THE PROCESSOR and then recover all its state on the fly).

    So until the 80386 came out, there was no way to get a new system with both (a) support for old programs and (b) support for more address space. And during that 10-year dry spell, that's when all those extendad / expanded memory schemes came out, and that's when the 1 megabyte limit really hurt.

  69. Side note on Al Gore's "well-informed"ness. by jbn-o · · Score: 5, Informative

    [...] responsible for helping to create I also invented the microphone [...]

    Your copy of the Snopes article is not what they posted. Anyone who actually read what you posted would have noted this glaring discontinuity.

    I can appreciate the clarification on Gore's "inventing" the Internet. But I think Gore gets too high a mark here and I'd like to point out why I think so as a side note to a comment I read in Snopes' essay.

    Snopes cites Vince Cerf saying "that as a Senator and now as Vice President, Gore has made it a point to be as well-informed as possible on technology and issues that surround it" but by 1999 (the copyright date on the Cerf page Snopes cites), Clinton/Gore had brought us the 1996 Telecommunications Act (which was a big step toward the media deregulation many groups across a wide political spectrum rail against today), the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, and the 1998 Copyright Term Extension Act. So I come away thinking that Al Gore's legislative history deserves a more mixed review than Cerf (and Snopes) describe.

  70. 5 years from now... by logicassasin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "...but 5 years from now
    everyone will be running free GNU on their 200 MIPS, 64M SPARCstation-5."

    Andy Tanenbaum, Creator of Minix
    30 Jan 92 13:44:34 GMT

    Andy wrote this during the "Linux is Obsolete" debate between Linus Torvalds and himself back in '92.

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  71. I can't believe I haven't seen this one yet... by Ryosen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "File trading is killing the Entertainment industry."

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    Ryosen
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  72. That E-Voting by JohnnyGTO · · Score: 4, Funny

    is fair and accurate.

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  73. World Market for 5 computers... by valdis · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Keep in mind that when TJ Watson said it, his company was *already* engaged in the sale of semi-programmable card-sorting and tabulating gear, of which they were building a LOT.

    What he *meant* was "There's a market for 5 really high-end machines far and above the rest of the competition". The word "supercomputer" wouldn't be around for a few decades yet. And what do you know? Even today, there's a small handful of machines at the truly high end (currently, above 5 teraflops or so)

  74. Re:My favorite lie by the_mad_poster · · Score: 5, Funny

    And I'd be much happier giving my mother (despite three college degrees and quite a high IQ, Macs are too complex for her) a Linux box than a Windows box or Mac.

    Reminds me of a Dilbert strip.

    PHB: Make it simple enough so even my mother could us it.

    Alice: It's already simple enough that a squirrel could use it. How much dumber is your mother?

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  75. Re:My favorite lie by AntiOrganic · · Score: 5, Informative

    Last year I'd have agreed with you. I had tried out various systems, with KDE 2.2 and Gnome 1.4, in addition to Fluxbox, IceWM and a handful of other window managers. It certainly wasn't pretty, and usability could've gone a long way.

    My, how things have changed.

    There are so many applications that do everything I needed to do on Windows, now. So you can't live without Kazaa? Download Apollon, the KDE FastTrack client. Need word processing? AbiWord/KWord are excellent pieces of work. Outlook got you down? Ximian Evolution has everything you need. Instant messaging? Gaim/Kopete. Music playing? XMMS/JuK will replace Winamp/Foobar quite handily. Graphics? The Gimp. Video/DVD playback? Xine tackles everything I throw at it. Development? KDevelop/xemacs. Web work? Quanta Plus/Bluefish. CD recording? K3b is every bit as good as Nero and is free. Web browsing? Konqueror/Mozilla/Firebird/Galeon/Epiphany. Usenet? Pan kills every similar offering on Windows.

    Additionally, KDE supplies me with various features that Windows can't match. I want to save an image from a website directly to my webspace, via either FTP or WebDAV? Right-click, "Save As," click "FTP" and Save.

    In addition, I paid $0 for all of the software on my computer, have ready access to the source code if I'd like to add a feature, and am not raped by vendor lock-in. I also am not subject to the ~30 holes in Internet Explorer this year, or worms like Blaster, Slammer or Welchia.

    There are really only a handful of things Linux isn't better at right now, and those are very, very steadily improving. The first and most obvious would be gaming, and even though older games like Starcraft and Diablo 2 run very well under Wine, newer games like Unreal Tournament 2003 are being released natively for Linux, there's still nowhere near the selection. I concede that; it's all about choosing the right tool for the job. The second is video editing, which really isn't very good on PC either with the sole exception of Adobe Premiere. I don't touch either of these things often, so it's not a tremendous deal for me.

    I wouldn't say it's good enough for Joe User right now, though. Package management and software installation still needs to be simplified for the average user (.deb should be the de facto standard, IMHO). Installation could be less painful if you don't know what you're doing. GTK+ needs a better file selector, admittedly, though I hold the opinion that GTK+ is generally worse than Qt to begin with, so I don't have trouble finding Qt-based replacements.

    My older brother, who has barely touched a computer in his life, can work at my KDE setup with ease. I consider this a small victory.

  76. You're not kidding by joggle · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I remember reading that it now takes NASA substantially more man-hours to do the same tasks now than before computers were used for design/CAD work. If I remember correctly, it took engineers roughly half the amount of time to design a rocket like the Saturn V than it would today using CAD (Computer Aided Design)! Also, much more paper is used now then back then when all of the drafting was hand-drawn, with typewriters used for everything else. I think they also tended to make fewer mistakes because they were more closely involved in the numbers, not using a potentially buggy black box to help them out.

  77. Multitasking by SmurfButcher+Bob · · Score: 4, Funny

    Windows 1.0 - "Yes! This new version of Windows is a preemptive multitasker!"

    Windows 3.0 - "Yes! This new version of Windows is a preemptive multithreaded multitasker!"

    Windows 3.1 - "Yes! This new version of Windows is a preemptive multithreaded multitasker!"

    Windows 3.11 - "Yes! This new version of Windows is a preemptive 32bit multithreaded multitasker!"

    Windows 95 - "Yes! This new version of Windows is a preemptive multithreaded multitasker!"

    Windows 95OSR2 - "Yes! This new version of Windows is a preemptive multithreaded multitasker!"

    Windows 98 - "Yes! This new version of Windows is a FASTER preemptive multithreaded multitasker!"

    Windows 98SE - "Yes! This new version of Windows is a FASTER preemptive multithreaded multitasker!"

    Windows ME - "Yes! This new version of Windows is a FASTER preemptive multithreaded multitasker!"

    NT 3.5 - "Yes! This new version is rock solid stable, and rock solid secure!"

    NT 4 - "Yes! This new version is rock solid stable, and rock solid secure!"

    NT 4 SP1 - "Yes! This new version is rock solid stable, and rock solid secure!"

    NT 4 SP3 - "Yes! This new version is rock solid stable, and rock solid secure!"

    NT 4 SP5 - "Yes! This new version is rock solid stable, and rock solid secure!"

    NT 4 SP6 - "Yes! This new version is rock solid stable, and rock solid secure!"

    NT 4 SP6A - "Yes! This new version is rock solid stable, and rock solid secure!"

    NT 4 SP6ASRP - "Yes! This new version is rock solid stable, and rock solid secure!"

    2K - "Yes! This new version is FASTER! Rock solid stable, and rock solid secure!"

    XP - "Yes! This new version is FASTER! Rock solid stable, and rock solid secure!"

    AS2k2 - "Yes! This new version is FASTER! Rock solid stable, and rock solid secure!"

    Longhorn - "Yes! This new version is Trustworthy(tm)!"

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  78. Re:Proof that Moore's Law will come to an end by Artifakt · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Approximately true, but you can't make a transistor less than N atoms thick, where N is "thin enough to allow a significant probability of electrons tunneling". Depending on whether you want to allow a 5% error rate or 1%, or less, N is at a guess about 4 to as much as 16 nanometers (nm). The exact cut off is hard to fix, because it depends on just how much of the design you want to devote to error correction, but it's definitely there. Finding a way around it will take making small groups of atoms behave deterministically instead of according to Quantum Mechanics. That is unfortunately a hard problem. No one has a real clue as to how to solve it.
    What isn't yet clear is just what error correction itself means. Could a designer get a bit smaller scaling, but only by making the chip unable to run any existing programs? Could we turn quantum effects to our advantage with what is called Quantum based computing? Will Intel or IBM want to make a computer that needs a completely different approach to writing every last bit of software it can run?
    The answers to the first two questions are unknown. The third, however, is an obvious NO! Mor's law will stop, either because we can't make the switches any smaller, or because we stop using transistors.

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  79. Re:I Invented... by FredFnord · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You got a good ways. Now you just have to think.

    The question was 'What have you accomplished in congress?' or something similar. So now let's look at his response in that *CONTEXT*.

    Did Al Gore take the initiative IN CONGRESS in creating the internet? You bet he did! In fact, Newt Gingrich said that if there had been no Al Gore, there would be no internet as we know it today. (Of course, that was a few years ago. But still.) He was the prime mover behind getting funding for it. And without government funding, the internet would never have grown like it did, and may well still be some strange, escoteric thing that connects a few universities together... and AOL (or *shudder* MSN) could be the 'Information Superhighway'.

    So, you can still say that since he didn't explicitly SAY 'in Congress' in response to the question about what he did in congress, he was actually claiming to have invented the entire internet from scratch. But at that point, anyone with an ounce of intellectual honesty would have to admit that this was a 'lie' that was created entirely by the press and was perpetrated on an American public that is instantly ready to believe anything they hear, as long as it's bad.

    -fred

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