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Warflying 2013 Access Points in Los Angeles

Kallahar writes "We went warflying over Los Angeles and Orange counties yesterday. Flying in a small plane at 1400 feet we detected 2013 802.11b APs in 75 minutes, 71% had no WEP encryption. A map and some pretty pictures are up at my writeup."

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  1. That's nuts by GabeK · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What I find pretty amazing is the 500+ people with the default SSID. It's like my apartment complex...if I'm not careful, I can get on one of three different networks and not know it!

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    1. Re:That's nuts by GabeK · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Not me! The second I fired up my AP I had people in. Not even 5 minutes without WEP and 2 addresses doled out to machines not in my place.

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    2. Re:That's nuts by gamlidek · · Score: 3, Informative

      Just because the SSID is default/broadcasted doesn't mean anything special. What's special is that there's no other security enabled on your neighbor's AP's. It also appears you are connecting without any WEP or watnot on your own wifi lan, as well, if you're connecting to your neighbor's APs or you have more than one profile set up. I think you can create a preferred profile.

      With MAC adress filtering and 128-bit WEP, the difficulty in hacking that wifi is somewhat prohibitive unless the hacker has unlimited time to do it, ie townhome/apartment/close neighbor, default SSID or not.

      Some tips I'm sure a lot of you already know: turn down your signal to the lowest setting you need for your home. Stop broadcasting your SSID. Filter MAC addresses. Add in 128-bit WEP and change your WEP key regularly. If you really want to be a *lot* more secure, use a Cisco 350 AP + client cards (or some similar Radius/LEAP enabled hardware) and set up a Radius server.

      Here's a good how-to.

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    3. Re:That's nuts by Jarnis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Laugh when you get your net access cut and/or you get sued due to something that originated from your IP(s). You are responsible what connects to the network via your pipe to the outside. If you prefer to sit on the net with your ass bare for unauthorized Rear Entry, do not whine when someone abuses it and causes you trouble.

      New spam tech;
      1. Roam around for open wireless networks, run spam off your laptop connected to that wireless lan until cut off.
      2. Drive to next WLAN, rinse, repeat
      3. Profit!!!

    4. Re:That's nuts by mcmonkey · · Score: 2, Insightful
      whats the worse they can do?

      Download kiddie pr0n, send spam, launch a DoS attack...in short, the types of things that can get you in trouble.

      Seriously, jokers like you ruin the internet for the rest of us. "So I'm running an open relay, what's the worst they can do?" Dipshit.

  2. Photos by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Wireless, schmireless -- I love the aerial photos!

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  3. Hey thats my SSID by Delta-9 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "Hackerish SSID (h3lpm3) 15 (0.7%)"

    Hey thats my SSID!

    All kidding aside, I wonder how many /. readers' SSIDs are in that netstumbler log, and I wonder how many are afraid to reply and say so since their GPS coords are associatated to their SSID.

    1. Re:Hey thats my SSID by antdude · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't remember where I saw this, but one user put his/her SSID as "GETOFFMYNETWORK" or something like that. I will have to try that too. ;)

      Speaking of funny SSIDs, what are your SSIDs like?

      I use a scientific ant name on mine.

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    2. Re:Hey thats my SSID by sumbry · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Uh, how 'bout: "because bandwidth costs money"?

      Think about it this way, if everyone opened up their wifi networks and you blanketed a city in coverage, sure you'd be paying for your DSL connection, but you'd be able to go anywhere in the city and still be online (cause you would just jump on someone elses open connection).

      It's basically like WAP opensource (for lack of a better term).

    3. Re:Hey thats my SSID by cwebster · · Score: 2, Informative

      LAX is surrounded by class bravo airspace (positive radar control) and those helpful (well i cant speak for socal approach guys) contollers keep us nice and spread out so we dont get in eachothers way.

  4. 2013 access points... by foxtrot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...is nothing; it's really kinda cool that there are that many.

    1430 of them being unsecured, that bothers the heck out of me.

    -JDF

    1. Re:2013 access points... by gnuadam · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Just because it doesn't have wep doesn't quite mean that they're unsecured. I don't use wep, but I only allow designated mac addresses onto my network, and make sure that any traffic I care about is either encrypted at the protocol level, or is ssh-tunneled to a wired machine. I trust ssl much more than wep.

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    2. Re:2013 access points... by Atario · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe some of them are open on purpose? Like Starbuck's and so forth? (Or are those open? I don't even know...)

      But if we had more open access points, on purpose, there'd be no need for a wireless internet company. You'd just use whatever nearby WAP was up. Free internet wherever you go.

      In other news, they flew into the future -- 2013! (Must have used a Cessna and a Commodore 64.) What are things like ten years from now??

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    3. Re:2013 access points... by NightSpots · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Remember that it's an area of millions of people....

      2013 access points for 20 million people isn't all that impressive, to me at least.

      (If they had flown a little further south, down to the Irvine/Laguna/Mission Viejo areas, they would have started to see a few more secure points, as they flew over eEye and Foundstone, and all the new tech that's growing down here).

    4. Re:2013 access points... by Kenja · · Score: 3, Informative

      To "spoof" a MAC address on a lot of cards involves typing in the new set of numbers, nothing more. Many network cards come with the software needed to change the MAC address in the event of a conflict since many small time vendors only use a small range of addresses on cards they ship.

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    5. Re:2013 access points... by Al+Scagnetti · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't use WEP or MAC control because some of my clients don't talk to the router with it on. For instance, the USB NIC I use for my Tivo won't work with encryption on.

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  5. Sweet by Tebriel · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'll just get a hot air balloon and get to the right spot and kiss those Internet access fees goodbye!

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    1. Re:Sweet by silentbozo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, it'd be an interesting exercise to set up a relay in a balloon, and "bounce" signals from an AP over obstacles, etc. Of course, you'd have to deal with the UFO factor - any lighter than air device capable of sustaining the weight of a pair of APs (or a bridge) and the motor/battery needed to power the setup would probably be VERY noticable, and likely to attract notice of homeland security types...

    2. Re:Sweet by glassesmonkey · · Score: 2, Interesting

      can I get one of those car dealership balloons and just float a wire and an antenna up there?? I'm sure some neighbors would complain, but I believe FCC rules override community laws (ie. you have the right to put up DirecTV dish even if the neighborhood made it illegal)

    3. Re:Sweet by lab16 · · Score: 2, Informative

      The problem with doing that is the fact that you would probably end up spending far more on propane to keep the balloon up, than it would cost to be on the internet. Even the most costly internet service you can find would be cheaper than keeping a balloon up. A single 3hr ride costs about 200$, not to mention the fact that people might get suspicious about that balloon that is always hovering over their house. Good luck finding a way to make doing that profitable.

  6. Bye bye.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny


    heheh.. a page with some thumbnails linked to 175k-300K pictures. His site is so dead.

    1. Re:Bye bye.. by Tackhead · · Score: 2, Funny

      > heheh.. a page with some thumbnails linked to 175k-300K pictures. His site is so dead. P. Not as long as the site's being hosted out of the laptop in the Cessna. What better use for 1440 unsecured WAP points?

  7. I live in LA! by jedir0x · · Score: 5, Funny

    Woah, nice to have a map of all the access points, for those times when I'm without internet connection ... or don't want to use my own :D Thank god for wireless!

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  8. Good news... by DrEldarion · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... for people who want to do some file-sharing!

  9. East LA by blackmonday · · Score: 5, Funny

    In East LA, a pilot is "warflying" when averting the numerous bullets flying into the air, shot by drunk cholos on July 4th. Talk about bombs bursting in air.

    And I can hear it already - hey ese, you forgot to encrypt your airport station, homes!

  10. Slashdotted by halo8 · · Score: 4, Informative

    On December 10, 2003 we went out Warflying over Los Angeles and Orange counties. Not5150 was the pilot of the 4-seater beechcraft and Kallahar was the laptop/gps/antenna operator. In a 75 minute flight from Pomona to Los Angeles to Santa Monica to Long Beach to Orange and back to Pomona, 2013 access points were found.
    The antenna was a mere Orinoco Omnidirectional Range Extender which was hand held. Unfortunately, the GPS didn't work for the first 20 minutes, and the wireless card crashed (had to reboot) while we were over long beach (took 7 minutes).

    Equipment
    Laptop Compaq Presario 2190US (2.4Ghz Celeron)
    802.11b card Orinoco Silver
    Antenna Orinoco 2-3dBi Omni
    GPS Magellan Meridian
    Software NetStumbler on Win2k
    Flight Time: 1 hour 15 minutes @ 1400ft

    (699x446 - 134k)

    Statistics
    Total APs 2013
    No Encryption 1441 (71.6%)
    WEP Encryption 572 (28.4%)
    Default SSID 513 (24.5%)
    Hackerish SSID
    (h3lpm3) 15 (0.7%)
    Informational SSID
    (southcoastcircuits) 23 (1.1%)
    Someone's Name 110 (5.5%)

    NetStumbler Files
    WarFlying (1.0MB)
    The drive home (168k)
    (for reference purposes)

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  11. all fun and games... by SuperBanana · · Score: 4, Funny
    We went warflying over Los Angeles and Orange counties yesterday.

    Yeah, it's all fun and games until someone gets caught flying upside down, no pants on, playing with the stick, lookin' at kiddie porn...

  12. 1400 feet? by planckscale · · Score: 5, Interesting
    You would think at that alitude they wouldn't pick up anything, considering my buddie's WAP won't reach his backyard. I wonder if they're mostly business WAPs?

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    1. Re:1400 feet? by ThogScully · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well, he was using a more sensitive handheld antenna, but also consider there was almost no interference between him and those access points, no walls, trees, etc - just a roof and clear sunny skies in most cases.
      -N

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    2. Re:1400 feet? by Cthefuture · · Score: 4, Informative

      Air to ground doesn't have anything to block the radio waves. You get really good range.

      Same thing across open water. Although you get less range than in the air.

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    3. Re:1400 feet? by glassesmonkey · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I use my neighbors AP from about 500ft down the street through trees. (Always at least 1Mbps solid connection)

    4. Re:1400 feet? by goosman · · Score: 2, Informative

      > Air to ground doesn't have anything to block the radio waves. You get really good range.

      Most people don't put APs on their roofs, so I'd say that there is a lot to block those waves. Wood, shingles, metal, clay, etc. The antenna and a card with good sensitivity helped this a great deal.

    5. Re:1400 feet? by GlassHeart · · Score: 2, Informative
      just a roof and clear sunny skies in most cases.

      More likely, they were picking up the signals diagonally through windows, rather than from directly below through roofs. One of the reasons satellite phones perform poorly indoors is because signals have difficulty passing through the roof. (Cellular towers are at much lower altitude, and their signals reach you mainly through windows.)

  13. blank or default admin password by very · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Another shocking thing is that many has no password or the default admin password.

    (obvious)Orange County and LA County is not Santa Clara County I guess (/obvious)

  14. Warbussing by spooky_nerd · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I had a similar, but lower tech, experience just yesterday. On a bus ride through Seattle I flipped open a standard laptop with a Cisco wifi card, and found dozens of access points. Most of them where open. I wonder how long it will be until wireless companies start offering security out of the box? How hard would it be to have a wireless access point that shipped with a random password and instructions on how to use it? It's pretty obvious that the average person doesn't realize what the risks are. I know because as a desktop support tech I get asked about this all the time. As soon as I start talking about things like WEP and MAC addresses, I see eyes glazing over.

    1. Re:Warbussing by ReTay · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No the problem is that unless it inconveniences them they don't care. It is the same thing as applying patches to whatever the OS they are using. They just can't be bothered. My roommate runs his WAP wide open because he doesn't want to bother typing the MAC into his router to restrict it to approved MAC only. In my not so humble opinion they get what they are asking for. They get burned they learn. (Shrug)

    2. Re:Warbussing by jonfelder · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The question isn't how hard...the question is how much harder is it.

      If the typical computer user has a choice between an access point that they just plugin and use, or one that they have to mess with, which do you think they'll most likely pick?

  15. Mirror by markclong · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Re:Mirror by Kallahar · · Score: 4, Funny

      Heh, I swear my server could have handled a slashdotting. But in the last 50 minutes it's gotten 125,000 loads at 2.07 gigs.

      The images are down to 50 wide now, and compressed better, but even with that the sheer volume of slashdotters is tough to handle :)

  16. Better yet, a mirror :) by tugrul · · Score: 5, Informative
  17. So how long before... by FreeLinux · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So, how long will it be before warflying is illegal or requires a permit. Here's a funny/sad/true story about a guy who recently got into a lot of trouble for hunting from an airplane.

  18. Warflying....ok.... by mrtroy · · Score: 4, Funny

    Thats all cool, checking for open networks in your little plane.

    But WHY did you have to set up all those servers to syn SCO?

    They are an honest company looking to make a profit from suing their potential customers, which doesnt follow the DOT COM era at all, so it should be profitable.

    On a side note, you also violated homeland security.

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  19. Wow.. by NegativeK · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm not an aviator, so I dunno how scary this really is, but doesn't 1400 feet seem kinda low? I mean, wardriving is fun (I'll readily admit that), but some of those pictures look awfully close to those buildings. :O

    *Shrug.* Someone with actual light aircraft experience, please correct me..

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    1. Re:Wow.. by CmdrTostado · · Score: 3, Informative

      FAR 91.119 - Minimum safe altitudes: General.
      Except when necessary for takeoff or landing, no person may operate an aircraft below the following altitudes:
      (a) Anywhere. An altitude allowing, if a power unit fails, an emergency landing without undue hazard to persons or property on the surface.
      b) Over congested areas. Over any congested area of a city, town, or settlement, or over any open air assembly of persons, an altitude of 1,000 feet above the highest obstacle within a horizontal radius of 2,000 feet of the aircraft.

  20. Flew over my office. by Brigadier · · Score: 3, Insightful



    According to his map he flew right over one of our offices (Inglewood). It does seem enticing to stick an antenna out on the terrace and see what comes up. Especially since VPN traffic seems to be eating up mos of our T-1 these days.

    on a side note I recently enquired at a major computer store. one which right now is advertising free set up. And talkign to the tech he assured me that all I had to do to set up a wireless network was plug it in. Now with things like nimda, Cade Red and such with the advent of everyoen goign wireless at home and not either encryting there connections or passwording it off. hackers/script kiddies will have a field day with this. I jus tpull up to some pure schmucks house log in launch and attack then drive off and the feds would never find me.

  21. You bastards! by geeveees · · Score: 2, Funny


    You bastards! My AP is on that map!

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  22. No WEP != No security by wowbagger · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just because a system does not use WEP does not mean it is insecure.

    I've been playing with a WAP - my intention is to firewall it to the point that the only things you can do are DNS, DHCP, VPN, and accessing a password-protected HTTP proxy with bandwidth throttling.

    The only thing WEP would do in such a case is prevent somebody from sniffing the proxy's password from the air, and if I cared I would just move the proxy over to HTTPS.

    Just as WEP != secure, !WEP != !secure.

    So all the "OMFG! 73% of all the APs we sniffed weren't using WEP, therefore 73% of all APs aren't secured" is somewhat flawed reasoning.

    Granted, it is likely pretty close to the truth. But it is not guaranteed to be the truth.

  23. Re:Semi-offtopic: Signal range by captaink · · Score: 2, Informative

    get a fat omni like this one: Borg 8+8 Slot Waveguide 360 Degree

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  24. Re:Semi-offtopic: Signal range by Grant29 · · Score: 5, Informative

    You can boost the signal strength of the Linksys WRT54G with this "undocumented feature". Basically it's a back door will let you up the transmission strength to the maximum output. Find details at this thread: WRT54G Increased transmission strength. People's comments there indicate pretty good results.

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  25. Enforcing Security by mr_lithic · · Score: 3, Interesting
    This story is not only about people finding open wireless networks but also abysmal network security being practised by some folks who have installed wireless kit

    There has to be some way of ensuring that people sort out the security on their boxes. How about not allowing the box to connect unless they change the default settings?

    In several offices we used to set the first password for the user accounts as their user login, and then not allow the same password to be used again. We knew the temptation was too great for people to use their login as the network password (and too easy for someone to crack).

  26. WEP + MAC filtering by gamlidek · · Score: 2, Informative

    WEP is fine, but if you live in an apartment building, you have unlimited time for your hacker neighbors to crack the WEP, even 128-bit. Please use MAC address filtering. Here's a
    good how-to if you're interested.

    And stop broadcasting your SSID! =)

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    1. Re:WEP + MAC filtering by pclminion · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Right, like a person capable of cracking WEP isn't going to know how to sniff a valid MAC and reset the MAC on his own card...

      MAC locking is only secure against very casual intrusion. Most cards (all?) can be re-flashed with a new MAC.

  27. That's about the number of Starbucks in LA by xenophrak · · Score: 3, Funny

    Sure those weren't just Starbuck's/TMobile hotspots?

    Which do not support WEP anyway.

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  28. In related news... live from the Sargasso Sea! by Markvs · · Score: 2, Funny

    A WarSCUBA expedition has found forty-two 802.11b connections! ...none were using WEP, but Kerberos was there.

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  29. Defense against warflying: by Dark+Lord+Seth · · Score: 2, Funny

    A combination of AAA, Autonomous Advanced Algorithms and SAM systems, Secure Authority Message, designed to bring down any hostile airborne WLAN sniffer. Available in both US and Russian flavours.

  30. How to leave my access point *IN*secure? by PCM2 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    1430 of them being unsecured, that bothers the heck out of me.
    OK, my immediate reaction is ... why?

    Fine, corporate "enterprises" (beginning to hate that word) should have secured their wireless networks. But lets face it, most of the APs discovered are probably Linksys routers sitting in some dude's office. Exactly why do all of these need to be secured?

    I'm a normal, conscientious Internet user. Most of the day, my Internet usage consists of email and (I admit) wasting time on Slashdot. I'm not looking at porn, and I'm not wasting significant amounts of bandwidth. Honestly, who should care if I happen to use their unprotected wireless network?

    Furthermore, I personally wouldn't care if anyone used mine. I would love to feel confident that I could leave my wireless access point unprotected. Several points nag me, however:

    • Every now and then, I'm going to want to download some Linux ISOs. (OK, I mean labels' entire catalogs of songs on MP3.) When I want to do that, *I* should have the bandwidth to do it. I pay for it, I get dibs. So far, I don't know of anything available to your average consumer that will let you throttle bandwidth for your "guests" at will (or, ideally, automatically -- my own MAC addresses get top priority).
    • The kiddie porn issue is an issue. As is, I guess, MP3 downloading. I don't want to have to firewall out P2P ports (and play the game of "what port are they using this week") just to protect myself from people using my AP who are too dumb to cover their tracks. No, I do not believe "but my port was unprotected, open to the world" is going to hold up in court.
    • People are, by and large, bastards. If I leave my AP unprotected, it's not going to be used occasionally by passers-by etc. It's going to be my next-door neighbor, using it to download massive AVIs all night long, all the time thinking "hee hee hee, this dumbass left his wireless AP unprotected." If I were to open my AP, I'd want the first thing to pop up on your browser to be a notice letting you know that, yes, I see you, yes, I'm logging you, and yes, if you were a decent person and you wanted to use this thing all the time, you might drop by, ring my doorbell, and offer to kick me a couple bucks every month.
    Furthermore, I'd like to publicly thank the various people around town whose unprotected access points I've used without permission. You never knew I did it, but it probably saved me some hassle.

    And finally, I'd like to publicly ask owners of coffee shops, delis, diners, bars, and other lounge-around spots: Have you ever considered not charging for that miraculous wireless network you just "installed"? Face it, Internet access is a flat fee for you. You want to bring in customers to buy that cup of half-and-half (I once heard that milk-based froofy coffee drinks have such an exorbitant profit margin that Starbuck's is essentially in the milk business). So why not do it by offering them a place to sit around, relax, and use their laptops? Seems to me it's no skin off your nose. Coffee shops have been providing shelves of books for years -- why not Internet access?

    I bring it up because the coffee shop down the street from my house recently switched from offering free wireless access to charging for it -- something like $15/month, fully a third of the cost of a DSL line that will give me full high-speed access around the clock. Lots of other places are starting to do the same here (San Francisco) -- the "trial period" is over, now you have to pay.

    I ask you: Where's the sense in that? I had just gotten into the habit of spending my mornings in that coffee shop, eating bagels and coffee while I got some work done, when they pulled the rug out from under me. Now the main thing that keeps me going down there is the fact that a couple of the shop's neighbors have their own wireless APs -- unprotected, of course. So now I'm not going to the shop as often, I'm buying less coffee and bagels, and worse, you went ahead and paid for all that (evidently quite expensive) Internet hardware and now I'm not going to be part of that new profit-center either.

    Make it free, man! Wired magazine said as much, months ago.

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  31. Here's the scoop on this: by The_Pey · · Score: 5, Informative

    1. He was flying in a plane over LA. -For simplicity's sake when flying under Class B Airspace, many pilots on VFR flights tend to stick to flying over interstates - its easy and keeps you out of trouble.

    2. He had a laptop with only one 802.11 card and only one antenna for reception. The necessarily rules out any radio direction finding for accurate plotting of the access points. Instead what you see is what he picked up as he flew and the exact lat / long the plane was at at the time of the signal hit. If he could do some RDF by maybe having antennas in an array attached to the plane at say the wingtips he could with the right software plot out where each possible transmitter was. But he would need to know what altitude the plane was at, what the heading was and the different signal strengths received at each antenna as well as the distance between the antennas in his array. I don't know of any software out there that does this but the information to do this is readily available.

    If he had that setup you would see a map with the projected location of each access point arrayed around the path of the aircraft.

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  32. What am I doing wrong? by mariox19 · · Score: 2, Funny

    My signal can't even make it from downstairs in the living room to upstairs in the bedroom without a repeater, and yet you guys are picking up signal from 1400 feet in the air!

    What the hell am I doing wrong?

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  33. Warflying-Wardriving-Wardialing by DonnarsHmr · · Score: 2, Informative

    Way back in the day there was a movie called War Games. In it the main character, the stereotypical teenage movie hacker, had a little script that would cause his modem to sequentially dial every number in an exchange (ie 555-0000, 555-0001, 555-0002, etc.) looking for another modem to connect to. The script then logged all the #'s where a modem was found so that the protagonist could hack the computers attached to the modems at his convenience. This process became known as Wardialing. With the advent of WiFi, people saw a parallel between wardialing and driving around town logging all the APs that were available. Thus, wardriving. Eventually, people also started making chalk markings at the location of the found APs to let others know there was a network there, hence warchalking. Finally, man discovered flight, and decided to look for APs that way, thus arriving at Warflying.

    Stay alert for a new Connections with James Burke on this topic.

  34. I live in LA and I use no WEP by zaad · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's been mentioned already by many posters that WEP is insecure. Take a look at AirSnort for details, but basically, depending on the traffic of your network, you can be cracked in as little time as under a day.

    Talk about a false sense of security.

    WEP is completely disabled to reduce needless overhead on my AP. But I do run a certificate based relaying (See http://vpn.ebootis.de/ & http://www.freeswan.ca/ for details. So if you don't have the right certificate, you can't route any packets in or out of my wireless network.

    Have fun cracking a 1024-bit RSA key.

  35. Orinoco range extender is not 2-3 dbi by eyeareque · · Score: 2, Insightful

    the antenna is actually 5dbi.. its such a shame they used such a weak antenna for the test... and it was inside the cabin.. you'd think they would have realized the planes shell would effect how many APs they found.

  36. FAA called yet? by jemenake · · Score: 2, Funny

    1,400 feet? Your images show that you flew right over LAX. I hope your pilot ascended up to the altitude of the southbound transition corridor... or, by my calculations, he's gonna have his license for about another 2.1 hours. :)

  37. question for ya... by sbma44 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    does wep encrypt mac addresses too? or can those be sniffed easily w/ wep on?

    Personally, I just use MAC filtering. Yeah, you can spoof a MAC address pretty easily on most hardware in windows. But I'm on 802.11b, and WEP definitely slows things down. And it was periodically resetting the connection on my Orinoco card.

    Bottom line, consumer wireless gear can't keep out anyone who's determined to get in. I say make a stab at it to disclaim some liability, use decent security on your LAN, and call it a day.