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Robots Of The Victorian Era

prostoalex writes "Somehow the robotic inventions of the 19th century are terribly under-appreciated. But when you read about a new Aibo or running humanoid robot, don't forget the mechanical marvels of the 19th century. The Steam Man, unveiled in literature in 1865, would provide the willing consumer with a truly horseless carriage. The Electric Man(1885) was a working prototype before 19th century was over, too. The Boilerplate was a prototype soldier built in 1893 to resolve potential conflicts between the nations, and, according to promotional photographs, was usually surrounded by young females. And, finally, the Automatic Man, unveiled in 1900, a 7'5'' robot capable of many things, but mainly pulling carriages." (Don't forget the less-fictional, more-fraudulent Ajeeb and The Turk.)

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  1. What about tranzor Z by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Or voltron?

    1. Re:What about tranzor Z by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      Don't forget about the female robot in that cartoon. The hooters would unscrew and fire from the chest like explosive warheads. Ahhh, such fond childhood memories.....

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    2. Re:What about tranzor Z by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      would any of your childhood memories include real, authentic hooters? trust me, their fondness would leave the mechanical ones utterly forgotten

    3. Re:What about tranzor Z by zuzzabuzz · · Score: 0

      "Aphrodite A" was her name. Yes, quite an effect on the young, developing, male mind.

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    4. Re:What about tranzor Z by John_Booty · · Score: 1

      Don't forget about the female robot in [Tranzor Z]. The hooters would unscrew and fire from the chest like explosive warheads. Ahhh, such fond childhood memories.....

      I think I was mentally scarred by that cartoon as a kid, and her rocket boobs. I remember the first time I saw a real pair. I remember fearing that they'd launch off and explode, and I also remember being slightly disappointed that they didn't.

      (random FYI: Tranzor Z's original Japanese was Great Mazinger.)

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    5. Re:What about tranzor Z by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, that would be Mazinger Z, the precursor of Great Mazinger.

    6. Re:What about tranzor Z by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, Netter Digital Entertainment, Inc. ruined the Voltron series with sub-quality stories and blurry visuals known as Voltron: The Third Dimension, followed by a bankrupcy. V3D was transferred to Foundation Imaging, but the show did not do any better, and FI is now gone as well.

    7. Re:What about tranzor Z by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about Super Robot Wars/Sunrise Eiyuutan/Sunrise World War? All the old school robots mixed with the new ones, and more!

    8. Re:What about tranzor Z by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot about another one: Escaflowne! It featured Medieval robots driven by magical crystals using T-1000-like metal weapons/defence.

      Speaking of medieval robots, check out Ryu-Knight.

  2. What about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Robots of the Vicki era?

  3. Must be said! by Metallic+Matty · · Score: 4, Funny

    Bite my shiny metal ass.

    1. Re:Must be said! by Aeiri · · Score: 0

      It's a reference to Futurama, please get out from under that 50 ton rock you have been living under for the last 10 years.

    2. Re:Must be said! by Greedo · · Score: 1

      Yes, the Boilerplate "robot" looks a lot like our sarcastic carton friend.

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  4. Robotic Ducks by G4from128k · · Score: 4, Informative

    This robotic duck dates back to the 1700s.

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    1. Re:Robotic Ducks by ScottGant · · Score: 3, Funny

      I for one welcome our Robotic Duck Overlords....

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    2. Re:Robotic Ducks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      You know, you may think they're cute, but we had a whole flock of these things infest our attic. Exterminators won't touch 'em, and let me tell you - they *do* produced a ton of excrement! Lucky for us it wasn't real excrement - just some kind of mixture of mercury, asbestos, and cyanide.

    3. Re:Robotic Ducks by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      "De Vaucanson's duck swam, quacked, flapped its wings, and swallowed its food. People were tricked to believe that it really digested its food and produced excrements from it."

      I've finally traced back the origin of the term 'core dump'!

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  5. My favorite by blitzoid · · Score: 4, Funny

    My personal favorite is the colossal 50 foot tall mechanical spider built shortly after the civil war. It could shoot fireballs, nets, and even crush wagons! Sadly, it was destroyed in a grain-alcohol disaster shortly after completion.

    It was designed by many of the worlds most prominent scientists in a variety of fields, whom all came together to focus on this single effort. It really is a shame we don't have the ability today to team up all of our top scientists to create massive mechanical horrors.

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    1. Re:My favorite by tonyz2k · · Score: 2, Funny

      my personal fave is the i one built shortly after world war II, with a glass bulb head full of blinking vacuum tubes, a big refrigerator sized torso, and big flailing arms with pinchers on the end. i bet i could get linux running on it these days.

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    2. Re:My favorite by NanoGator · · Score: 4, Funny

      Interesting? I'm starting to think that moderator points shouldn't be alloted unless you've passed a pop-culture test.

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    3. Re:My favorite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      informative? Fuck, he's talking about that shitty movie "Wild Wild West". If you don't know what he's talking about, why are you moderating it up?!!?!?!

    4. Re:My favorite by blitzoid · · Score: 3, Funny

      I imagine you could port Linux over to it, but the ram they used in the brain was pretty spotty. You'd hear a lot of "DANGER, SEGMENTATION FAULT! DANGER!"

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    5. Re:My favorite by IvyKing · · Score: 1
      That movie was nominated for a "Razzie" which was presented by Robert Conrad (who asked to be the presenter).

      I was a fan of the series, especially the first two years. Just never warmed up to the idea of Will Smith as James West...

      The TV-movie of TWWW (1980) was pretty decent, especially with the producers misunderstanding what Ross Martin meant when he wanted to do a part "in drag" (Ross wanted to something in disguise - the producers assumed the more modern meaning of the phrase).

    6. Re:My favorite by Xzzy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      dude, don't spoil it. :)

      Half the fun of these foot icon stories is reading the posts from people who totaly missed it. My favorite is a post further down that read "you all do realize this is a fabrication right?"

      Well shit, I never noticed until you said something!

    7. Re:My favorite by uncoveror · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think the coolest robots are the ones making popular music, especially since the kids can't tell the difference.

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  6. home robots... by ptorrone · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Re:home robots... by segment · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      pffftt my new and improved Despotic Doggie v.1 would sooooo own your Aibo

    2. Re:home robots... by YOU+LIKEWISE+FAIL+IT · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Do you have stairs in your house?

      YLFI
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    3. Re:home robots... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How 'bout the power... to move you

    4. Re:home robots... by iammaxus · · Score: 1

      He, for one, welcome's his new robot overlords...

    5. Re:home robots... by rolocroz · · Score: 1
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  7. INFORMATIVE?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Here's informative for you. (Hint: IT WAS A MOVIE.)

  8. Virtual Soldier and then some... by segment · · Score: 4, Funny

    The Virtual Soldier

    Program Manager: Dr. Richard Satava

    The Virtual Soldier Program seeks to establish a new capability that will revolutionize medical care to support the soldier. The program will create the mathematical modeling approaches to develop an information (computational) representation of an individual soldier (a holographic medical electronic representation or holomer) that can be used to augment medical care on and off the battlefield with a new level of integration. This virtual soldier will be based upon a highly complex model that is derived from biologically driven principles and populated with properties that are extracted from evidence-based data. The initial Phase 1 effort will consist of a two-component, three-dimensionally displayed model: (1) An organ-tissue system model component, and (2) a properties level model component. Once derived, the virtual soldier will provide multiple capabilities, including but not limited to automatic diagnosis of battlefield injuries, prediction of soldier performance, testing and evaluation of non-lethal weapons, and virtual clinical trials.

    DARPA

    And on another note...

    SCO Soldier

    Program Team: SCUM Group

    The SCO Soldier Program seeks to scan source codes and find the printf function on those lines of codes and report them back to its owner. Using covert tactics and illicit (possibly) illegal methods, the SCO Soldier can then automate fascimile transmissions of source code to a database which can then quantum generate subpoenas on the fly.

    With the speed rate of over 2billion lines of code per minute, the SCO soldier can quickly misconstrue every line of code for pseudo-authenticity and create a manically broad worded asinine report which sounds great on the outside but is actually empty on the inside.

    SCO Soldier not available in Open Source and will be licensed to someone who is willing to be sued immediately afterwards in efforts to ensure that SCO Soldier is functioning properly and generating frivolous lawsuits.

  9. Wow! by twoslice · · Score: 1

    People were tricked to believe that it really digested its food and produced excrements from it. I can hardly control my excrement!

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  10. *sigh* by Dreadlord · · Score: 5, Funny
    The Boilerplate was a prototype soldier built in 1893 to resolve potential conflicts between the nations, and, according to promotional photographs, was usually surrounded by young females.

    grr, that ugly looking robot has got a GF, hell, I wish I looked like a robot...

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    1. Re:*sigh* by TechnoPops · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, I think the solution for you is pretty obvious: Go to a costume shop, find a get-up for the Tin Man from The Wizard of Oz, and wear it day-in, day-out. The ladies will be all over you in no time! :P

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    2. Re:*sigh* by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      "grr, that ugly looking robot has got a GF, hell, I wish I looked like a robot... "

      You can try strapping a laser pointer to your head. Do a couple of test runs, though. You'll get in trouble if that dot lands on her chest.

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  11. What was that movie with a tin man? by 77Punker · · Score: 1

    The one with the yellow brick road...ahh what's it called...??!!

    1. Re:What was that movie with a tin man? by blitzoid · · Score: 1

      Chitty Chitty Bang Bang?

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    2. Re:What was that movie with a tin man? by 77Punker · · Score: 1

      No, it's not that. This one had a tornado and a wiza...Wizard of Oz! That's it!

  12. Robots, indeed by Dirtside · · Score: 4, Funny

    I won't rest until the following exchange can happen in real life:

    [Bender and Fry in Bender's apartment.]
    Bender: [while sleeping] Kill all humans, kill all humans, must kill all hu...
    Fry: [shakes him] Bender wake up!
    Bender: I was having the most wonderful dream. I think you were in it.
    Fry: Listen, Bender, uh... where's your bathroom?
    Bender: Bath-what?
    Fry: Bathroom.
    Bender: What room?
    Fry: Bathroom!
    Bender: What what?
    Fry: Aaah, never mind.
    [Bender shuts himself down to sleep, Fry lies on the floor]
    Bender: [while sleeping] Hey, sexy mama... Wanna kill all humans?

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    1. Re:Robots, indeed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're saying that if I create a robot, you're allowing me to kill you with it? cool....

    2. Re:Robots, indeed by drinkypoo · · Score: 1
      Actually, I think he's just waiting for a robot that can dream of killing humans. Thanks to Futurama we know now that Androids do not dream of electric sheep, but electric death.

      If he were wanting robots to kill people, I think he'd be waiting for the events in a considerably more christmasy episode to occur...

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    3. Re:Robots, indeed by orkysoft · · Score: 1

      "There's enough space for another two thirds of a person in here!" :-)

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    4. Re:Robots, indeed by Dirtside · · Score: 1

      Don't be stupid. If there are homicidal robots around, you can be guaranteed that I'll have used mine on you long before you ever get one. :)

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    5. Re:Robots, indeed by dorward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I, on the other hand, wouldn't rest if such an exchange could take place.

  13. Ajeeb by Charvak · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Strange it may seems but Ajeeb is arabic (or persian) for strange.

    1. Re:Ajeeb by monadicIO · · Score: 1

      Wasn't it Maezel's chess player? ( (Prose by Edgar Allan Poe here)

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  14. Victorian robots? by mattjb0010 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Just lie back and think of electric sheep.

    1. Re:Victorian robots? by ScottGant · · Score: 1

      Electric sheep, that's funny.

      I wonder though, do androids dream of electric sheep?

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  15. robot schmobot by g-to-the-o-to-the-g · · Score: 3, Funny
    I wonder how useful such robots actually were. Considering that today, engineers are still trying to overcome basic challenges associated with things we take for granted such as walking, I doubt that these robots were at all practical.

    On another note, its quite impressive that these were developed (assuming their ligitimate), considering the level of technology available at the time.

    1. Re:robot schmobot by RatBastard · · Score: 1

      These are all either a joke, part of a story or game.

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    2. Re:robot schmobot by ILL+Clinton · · Score: 1

      Actually, these are all perfectly true. I know, I was there.

    3. Re:robot schmobot by operagost · · Score: 1

      Dude, are you sleep-posting? It's a joke!

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    4. Re:robot schmobot by Planesdragon · · Score: 1

      I wonder how useful such robots actually were.

      Very, actually.

      Y'see, the robo-men--or "marines", as we liked to call them--had the useful ability to actually fight and follow orders, and not go run off and fight for food or land or women. These "marines" are the perfect--nay, the ESSENTIAL--soldier for the Great War front back then.

      How do I know that? Well, heck boy, I'm an officer! Got me a ten-year pass on leave, so I hopped into one've our time-machines, and sped forward to this time, to live among the mundanes and the civies.

      Y'should remember that there ain't really no darn limits to technology, now that we got that thar time machines.

  16. hmmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    steam men... sounds sort of sexy from a gay point of view. ;)

  17. Deep Blue Needed a Turk by John+Hasler · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've never understood how the operators of all the various chess-playing computers have been able to resist the temptation to construct a Turk replica to make moves for their machines.

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    1. Re:Deep Blue Needed a Turk by Basje · · Score: 1

      They wanted it to win. But we don't know if deep blue didn't take 'suggestions'.

      To beat a grand master at chess, you'd need another grand master, of high level. That would have been too high profile. Deep blue was meant for promotion. If any fraud was considered, the risk would have been too great. It would definitely have backfired.

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    2. Re:Deep Blue Needed a Turk by zipwow · · Score: 1

      I think the OP meant just making a mechanical bit that looked like the Turk, just as a joke. No person involved.

      -Zipwow

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  18. Uhm.... Can you say Hoax? by VonGuard · · Score: 5, Informative

    Doesn't anyone realize that the Boilerplate stuff is complete fabrication?

    HAH! A truism that's also a pun! Ok, ok, I suppose they really couldn't fabricate the parts for him back then...

    But it's still a load of horse pucky.

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    1. Re:Uhm.... Can you say Hoax? by Thanatopsis · · Score: 5, Informative

      Not only is Boilerplate a hoax, every single robot story in this post is a well known hoax. Steam Man, Electric Man and Automatic are hoaxes designed to look like a period piece.
      for more information
      Boilerplate Hoax

    2. Re:Uhm.... Can you say Hoax? by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      From the hoax page...

      "Boilerplate works," Hayden told me, "because of people's gullibility rather than Guinan's guile."

      Anybody wanna go spelunking in San Fransisco?

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  19. It's Bender! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's Bender!

  20. The Oz Robots by AtariAmarok · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Don't forget the marvelous "robots" of Oz, making their appearances in the 1900s during the Victorian era:

    Tik-Tok, seen here as illustrated by John R Neill, the original Oz illustrator (He also appeared in a 1985 film). He does resemble "Boilerplate", doesn't he?

    The Tin Man (or Tin Woodman of Oz). Everyone knows what he looks like. First appearing in 1900, during the Victorian era for sure, he has to be one of the first cyborgs in anything (if not the very first).

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    1. Re:The Oz Robots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Don't assume everyone knows what the Tin Woodsman looks like. L Frank Baum's original books had him being very skinny, like in the more recent Oz movie. The one from the original movie looks much different because a real man had to fit inside.

    2. Re:The Oz Robots by DrCode · · Score: 1

      Interestingly, Tik-Tok had two wind-up keys: One was for movement, and the other, if I recall, was for thinking/speech.

    3. Re:The Oz Robots by hexatron · · Score: 2, Funny

      The tin woodsman was not a robot. He was a piecemeal cyborg. An offended witch caused him to 'accidentally' chop pieces off himself while plying his trade. As each limb and part was lost, the local tinsmith made him a replacement, until his entire body had been replaced.
      At least, that's what's in the book. Personally, I find it incredible. It's enough to cast doubt on the veracity of the entire OZ ouvre.

  21. Original Wild Wild West by tjstork · · Score: 3, Funny


    Isn't this ground well covered by the original Wild Wild West..?

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  22. Do it right.... by djupedal · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...read 'The Difference Engine'...

    "A collaborative novel from the premier cyberpunk authors, William Gibson and Bruce Sterling. Part detective story, part historical thriller, The Difference Engine takes us not forward but back, to an imagined 1885: the Industrial Revolution is in full and inexorable swing, powered by steam-driven, cybernetic engines. Charles Babbage perfects his Analytical Engine, and the computer age arrives a century ahead of its time."

    1. Re:Do it right.... by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      1885 eh?

      Did they meet Marty and Doc?

  23. Professor Frink by AtariAmarok · · Score: 1

    The giant steam spider make another appearance in a recent episode of "The Simpsons". A Civil War re-enactment was being held near Springfield. Professor Frink decided that his robot spider would be an appropriate addition.

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  24. these robots are cool, but... by Ambush_Bug · · Score: 2, Funny

    none of them are nearly as funny as
    Angrybot.

    "My credit card's not rejected, YOU'RE rejected!"

    1. Re:these robots are cool, but... by Atmchicago · · Score: 1

      "I am the shover robot. I push bread down their throats. We are here to protect you. We are here to protect you from the terrible secret of space."

      The shover and pusher robots are by far the best ever!

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  25. Tin Man movie by AtariAmarok · · Score: 1

    The Tin Man first appeared in a book in 1900, well within the era of this article. The Tin Man almost certainly appeared in the first Oz movie which was made in 1910 (the 1939 movie is just one of a string of remakes).

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    1. Re:Tin Man movie by operagost · · Score: 1

      Yeah, well it was certainly a good one!

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  26. Do not go to that site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The angry robot site is one of those "Flash" monstrosities. There is no reason to junk up a site with flash, javascript, or other things which say "visitors keep out!"

  27. The Boiler Plate Soldier Article Is A Fraud! by Serapth · · Score: 2, Funny

    They got the facts all wrong... the Boilerplate soldier wasnt developed in chicago... it was developed in Paris.

    You see... the Parisans knew well in advanced just how many battles they were going to have to surrender in, over the next hundred years, so they designed this robot to do it for them. You see, the average French soldier was far to arrogant to admit that they, yes... did in fact suck... however, the French government refused to accept the casualities of extended conflicts due to the fact they had nobody amongst themselves brave enough or confident enough to actually surrender, so they created a robot to face the shame for them. Sadly the protype never lived up to the hype, and for the next 8 consecutive battles, the French had to swallow their pride and surrender Mano-eh-mano.

    Shees, cant the history books get anything right? :D

    1. Re:The Boiler Plate Soldier Article Is A Fraud! by Limburgher · · Score: 0
      Holy crap, what a terrible troll.

      Like many, it completely ignores the contributions of France, especially Lafayette, to the American Revolutionary war.

      In addition, it ignores the fact that France almost single-handedly held off Germany in WWI until Britain finally decided to help, and then America, almost at the end.

      It goes on to ignore the fact that France, while territorially raped by Germany in WWII, slowed the Wehrmacht down enought to allow the British and American industrial machines to spool up enough to stop Hitler.

      Without France, the U.S. would either still be a British colony, or part of Greater Prussia. Please stop forgetting that simply because they had the balls to stand up for themselves.

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    2. Re:The Boiler Plate Soldier Article Is A Fraud! by Serapth · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Hahaha... you make one horrible assumption my friend... Im not American... nor am I a troll.

      First off, you will never hear me sing the praises of American actions during WWI and WWII... neither is such a noble persuit, although I will admit that the US did have a HUGE impact on winning that war. WWI on the other hand was a global clusterfuck from day one... even the causes of that war are questionable.

      As to France's contributions to WW2, please try not to make me laugh so hard. France lost purely to incompetance and nothing more... they acted as much of a deterant to the Nazi war machine, as a speedbump deters a Hummer. Yes... lets build a wall bristling with guns and point it in one direction and sit back and think we are safe.

      Then... There was the supreme moron Charles de GAULLE who almost single handidly prevent the United States from joining the war in the first place, due to his sheer arrogance and sense of self worth. The United States president(s) HATED him, and he is very much responsible for a delay in many actions that occured in the second world war. Hell, he even delayed the land lease act which started to sway power in the allies favour. France hindered the allies war effort more then they helped, pure and simple. The allies owe the victory to the meat grinder that was Russia, and the sacrafice of US and British Commonwealth countries on a factor of 100x more then any action any French people did.

      As to my perspective, im a Canadian... so two things... 1) I dont think the US staying a british colony is such a bad thing... Australia and Canada seem like pretty damned nice countries, in my opinion... 2) de GAULLE has caused HUGE problems, by once again meddling in Canadian affairs. We owe a whole wack of our last 20 years of problems ( FLQ crisis, and seperation+referendums ) to that arrogant little worm.

    3. Re:The Boiler Plate Soldier Article Is A Fraud! by Joe+Tie. · · Score: 1

      When it comes down to believing something because it's true, and believing something because it sounds good or amusing, the vast majority will choose the latter.

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    4. Re:The Boiler Plate Soldier Article Is A Fraud! by Limburgher · · Score: 1
      While it is heartening to hear that you are Canadian, I take issue with your discounting of France's efforts in WWI and WWII.

      As a historian with a great deal of time spent on the origins of WWI, I agree with your assessment of it as a clusterfuck. It had no business happening to begin with, and no country comes out blameless, to be sure.

      As for WWII, yes, the Maginot line was stupid, and should have either blocked or included Belgium and the Netherlands, not ignored them. It left France as open as a default IIS install. Nonetheless, the French resistance accomplished a great deal, both in terms of subverting Nazi military aims and contributing to the salvation of potential Holocaust victims. Yes, they got rolled and US/UK bailed them out, but to characterize them as cheese-eating surrender monkeys is ignorant and unfair.

      For the record, I'm also not a huge De Gaulle fan, but that does not reflect on the totality of French culture and merit. It would be equally ignorant to say that all Germans are evil due to Hitler or that all Americans are gun-toting idjits because of W. De Gaulle hindered the Allies, yes. France did not.

      Your attribution of great credit to Soviet Russia is dead-on. They sustained more casualties than everyone else.

      As for Canada. . .let's see about 2004. I may be joining you. :)

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    5. Re:The Boiler Plate Soldier Article Is A Fraud! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right on bro! The French also gave us French Fries, cholesterol, and body odor! More importantly, without the French, the world would be completely without arrogance or body lice!

      Now, I could go on listing the accomplishments of the French all night but my Fromages is on the boil...

    6. Re:The Boiler Plate Soldier Article Is A Fraud! by Serapth · · Score: 1

      Actually, Limburgher, I think you and I agree alot more then we both came across in the first place... I put more thought into it, and, although I hold my joke as true and appropriate ( militairly ( is that a word? :) ), France's resent ( post Napolean ) track record is perhaps the worst of any major nation.

      However, I, after putting more thought into it, completely agree with your response to my initial joke. In the post 9/11 world, with that monkey ... whats'his faces son... George something, running the United States, I suppose I can understand your reaction. I COMPLETELY agree with France's objection to the war in Iraq, and I applaud them having the courage to tell... (paraphrasing here) the US government to grow up. I really wish Britain had done the same... perhaps that overgrown ego in Washington may have listened, but I highly doubt it. The American reaction to a foreign country having the audacity to stand up against them, totally sickened me. I lost all ( well, what limited respect I had anyways... ) for american media outlets. Condeming all things French, renaming French fries freedom fries, etc... made me rather ashamed for my friends to the south. However, living within 1 hour of the US border, and worning for a multinational country, I was heartend to know that the vast majority of my American friends felt the same. The US government and US media did more damage to the US cause then has been seen in the last 50 years. So... with the US picking France as their favorite beating monkey, perhaps my joke could have been better timed! :)

      That said... I stand by what I said :) At war, the french suck! Hell, at politics, France sucks! Go back to the French revolution, and beyond and you will see what I mean. Perhaps in the middle age's they were a power... and the breif periods of time under the rule of Napolean... but throughout the rest of history, they spent ages getting their ass's handed to them :) French politics from the 19th century through to present is filled with incompetent decisions, especially in regards to dealing with military matters. Actually, France is/was a classic example of a country with a disconnected military to their governmental system.

      That said, I am not condeming French culture... nor calling them cheese eaters ( although, I suppose I am calling them surrender monkeys!!! :) ). The ability to make war is just one facet of a country or that countries government. However, historically, that facet has never been frances strong point! As another student of history, I will cite examples if you so wish! :)

      Regardless, no insult meant to any french people intended... except perhaps to any military officals in the French army... or those who think that De Gaulle was the bomb! ;-)

    7. Re:The Boiler Plate Soldier Article Is A Fraud! by Serapth · · Score: 1

      As an aside, I feel that even the action of extending the Maginot Line to include both Belgium and the Netherlands would have been a redundant task. As a line of defence, it was purely obsoleted, and failed to take into account the impact of air warfare. Had the line included layer after layer of anti-aircraft weaponry, then perhaps it may have been a viable ( but inefficent defence ), however that was not to be the case. The tragedy of it all is that the line was started circa 1929/30... at which point in time, the relevance of a viable airforce should have been a much more obvious threat, and should have been considered. Granted, in WW1, the effectiveness of aircraft could easily have been disputed, but, by the 30's, it should have become very obvious. We also have to remember, a great many generals also viewed the tank as inferior to the horse at the outbreak of WWI.

      As to joining me in Canada... I cant recommend it enough... except the fact our taxes are hell :) Oh... and in high tech jobs... Americans are payed much better...

    8. Re:The Boiler Plate Soldier Article Is A Fraud! by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      "Like many, it completely ignores the contributions of France, especially Lafayette, to the American Revolutionary war. "

      That would have made the joke less funny.

      Chill.

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  28. Of course there was another type of steam "man"... by dumdeedum · · Score: 1
  29. Uhm, can you say NO SHIT SHERLOCK? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Did you not see the foot icon on the story?

    Even the story text is worded in such a way:

    Don't forget the less-fictional, more-fraudulent Ajeeb and The Turk

    learn to read, douche bag

  30. Oblig. Onion..... by Tsali · · Score: 1

    I think the best inventions have come from T. Herman Zwiebel, for his use of immigrants and the steamless steamshovel.

    True, maybe not robots in the strictest sense, but definitely ahead of their time.

    Off-topic: Can we change Bill Gate's image here to match the boilerplate robot? I would find it less menacing and more approachable. It, too, would be heartless.

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  31. The French `Chaudiere de Plat` Robot by AtariAmarok · · Score: 1

    Sadly the protype never lived up to the hype, and for the next 8 consecutive battles, the French had to swallow their pride and surrender Mano-eh-mano.

    One of the more interesting features of the French `Chaudiere de Plat` Robot was that it looked exactly the same on the back as it did the front. This way, when it retreated with the rest of the French army, the winning army would always see the angry faces of the robots facing them (it looked like much less of a complete route of the French army, and it mystified the foreign armies who were only used to seeing the backsides of fleeing French infantry)

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  32. who keeps on modding this shit up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    its not insightful, no where in the article or story was it asserted that these robots are real

    1. Re:who keeps on modding this shit up? by jc42 · · Score: 1

      Umm ... Note that "It's funny. Laugh." at the very start of the story.

      In that category, all that shit is quite on-topic. The funniest stuff should be modded up.

      And it's definitely geek humor, so it's on topic in /.

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    2. Re:who keeps on modding this shit up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is this humor?

      This idiot assumes that no one knows its not real (despite the foot icon) and proceeds to act as if he's smarter than all of us by posting a link to a website that proves whats is obvious.

      Its offtopic and an insult to our intelligence.

    3. Re:who keeps on modding this shit up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It can't be an insult to your intelligence, no marksman could hit that target.

  33. Embrace and extend! by AtariAmarok · · Score: 4, Funny

    Off-topic: Can we change Bill Gate's image here to match the boilerplate robot? I would find it less menacing and more approachable. It, too, would be heartless.

    I can just see the Tin Gates marching toward us, tottering on stiff metal legs, arms waving in front. Rasping from the tiny grate at the mouth: "Embrace and extend! Embrace and extend! Embrace and extend!"

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    1. Re:Embrace and extend! by cranos · · Score: 1

      Sounds more like the Dalleks, trundling around waving their probe thingies screeching "Developers, Developers, Developers!"

  34. Actually for the time in film ... Robbie The Robot by adzoox · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I think Robbie The Robot was a marvel of film/makeup/design for the 50's. Eventhough clearly a man in a suit, still one of the coolest and most functional futuristic robots ever. Also the robot from Metropolis was a wonder of makeup and design by Fritz Lang.

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  35. Victorian Era Laws of Robots by AtariAmarok · · Score: 4, Funny

    1. Robot legs, like chair legs, must be covered by knitted doilies at all times.
    2. A robot should never harm a British subject of the Crown. Harming colonials is OK. This includes during a tiger-hunt.
    3. If a robot sees a brother robot down on his luck, the robot should give the brother robot a fresh lump of coal so the brother robot can work up a head of steam and forge ahead.

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    1. Re:Victorian Era Laws of Robots by inode_buddha · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Here are some of the lesser known, but still useful Victorian robots...

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  36. Anyone pass the third grade? by C10H14N2 · · Score: 3, Informative

    A primary-school level of research would yield the intuitively obvious result that these are excerpts of the fictional writing of Edward Ellis and Luis Sernaren.

    This list may prove useful:

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/encyclopedia/List_of _f ictional_robots
    duplicated here:
    http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robots_in_lit erature

    And in case you think that Maureen Stapleton is really an android "Electric Grandmother," you can look here to reassure yourself that in fact she is a human actor, not a robot:

    http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0083876/

    1. Re:Anyone pass the third grade? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmmm.. Perhaps you should make a cusory examination of the topics this story was placed under? Then again, one would think that your advanced research skills would make this unnecessary.

    2. Re:Anyone pass the third grade? by myg · · Score: 1

      I loved that movie! I haven't thought about it in years.

  37. boilerplate by h4x0r-3l337 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Finally the revisionist conspiracy has been exposed! Their shameless attempts at hiding the existence of BoilerPlate will no longer work. At last the world can see BoilerPlate posing with Pancho Villa, instead of only seeing the revisionist version of the picture, where BoilerPlate has been replaced by some nameless revolutionary. Kinda makes one wonder if those US soldiers in Iraq aren't actually BoilerPlate Mark 10's.

  38. you forgot by Hubert_Shrump · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...and then bursting into flames.

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  39. What powered these robots? by AtariAmarok · · Score: 2, Informative

    Were these robots powered by Microsoot steam engines, which required expensive coal from a monolithic business concern? Or did they run on steam plants designed under the "Open Flame" initiative, in which users could burn just about anything they wanted to power the robots without paying Microsoot?

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    1. Re:What powered these robots? by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      Score 3, Informative?

      How do these people get mod points?

    2. Re:What powered these robots? by Blackneto · · Score: 1

      You are right.
      Should have been +3 Interesting/Insightful
      The post was just insightful questions no real information.

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    3. Re:What powered these robots? by ahunter · · Score: 1

      Not Microsoft, but Babbage steam engines, obviously. And they smelled of rotten eggs.

  40. Mechanical Men pulling wagons? by OpenSourcerer · · Score: 1, Funny

    We are much more advanced in 21st century. We even have one become governor now.

  41. ahem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  42. just in case by segment · · Score: 1

    made sure that pooch got some back up too... kittenator v.1 (haiya!)

  43. Gosh, where is PimpBot by Cylix · · Score: 4, Funny

    The man, the myth, the pimp. This is the PimpBot 5000. He combines the classic sensibilities of a 1950's robot with the dynamic flare of a 1970's street pimp. Pimpbot 5000 I think he could have taken the Steam Man.

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    1. Re:Gosh, where is PimpBot by ebonkyre · · Score: 1

      For that matter, what about the Fruit Fucker 2000?

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  44. The difference by randall_burns · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The country that is pushing hard for use of Robotics right now is Japan. The force driving robotics in Japan is the fact that in Japan high levels of immigration are politically unacceptable--and the economic powers that be want Japan to continue to be economically viable. What that means is that there is a _lot_ more push in the area of robotics and automation now than in the 19th century. Japan is quite literally betting their economic future in this direction.

    1. Re:The difference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Japan's economy is in heap big trouble. Their government has gotten into a debt much larger than the GNP. So it would surpise me that they're betting the farm on boondoggle pie-in-the-sky research projects and whatnot. It would explain things.

  45. Re:online dating in the victorian era? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    stfu

  46. Re:online dating in the victorian era? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i like men

  47. Re:Of course there was another type of steam "man" by ScottBob · · Score: 1

    ROFL... That brings to mind this little snippet from a favorite old book:

    That same day, Markoff Chaney was hiding in a coffee urn at Orgasm Research, hatching further mischief.
    The clock struck midnight, the cleaning women left; and out crept Chaney with an evil grin.
    Alas, he was not the only intruder that night, for as he padded down the hall he suddenly heard a hoarse voice in one of the laboratories.
    "Better than human, are you, you @*)@'&ing #$%&'er? Better than human, my %$#&! Take this, you $%#)*$#-eating #$%%$*er!"
    The voice was near inarticulate with rage, but it was clearly that of a jealous male, as any ethologist would easily recognize. Markoff slowly opened the door and peeked around the corner.
    There in the dim light, fully dressed and in his wrong mind, stood the idol of millions, the world's leading rock guitarist, Knorton ("Grassy") Knoll, feverishly working with a monkey wrench upon an object the likes of which Markoff Chaney had never seen- a Giacometti robot with a gigantic human phallus.
    "I'll take you apart, you $%$#," the demented rock musician was muttering. "I'll tear your $%$@$ out by its roots, I will." And he continued his assault, gargling and panting like one obsessed- which he was. "Man against machine," he gasped. "First they out think us, now they out-fuck us. It's time for all out war, by $%*@$...."
    Markoff watched, silent as a cat, until the hebephrenic cuckold was finished with his foul work, and the machine stood, a heap of scrap metal, with the phallus removed. Then, after the musician slouched off into the night, the midget crept into the room and carefully wrote on the wall in stark purple crayon:

    THE PIGEONS IN B.F. SKINNER'S
    LABORATORIES ARE POLITICAL PRISONERS.
    RELEASE THEM OR FURTHER ACTIONS WILL
    FOLLOW.

    EZRA POUND, FOR
    THE DREADED NEUROLOGICAL ARMY (DNA)

    -From Schrodinger's Cat Trilogy, by Robert Anton Wilson

  48. Hoax. by Dr.+Descartes · · Score: 2, Informative
    For those inclined to believe the website, it is indeed a hoax. Proof.

    Be that as it may, I think the site was fun and funny at the same time

  49. Steam Man book by dmoynihan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That site didn't have the complete text, which is available here.

    Sorta interesting with all its boy inventor stuff...

  50. Idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Didn't you see the foot icon?

    No one says its real. No one, except for a few here, is dumb enough to actually believe its real.

  51. They managed to simulate walking? by DJStealth · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Does anyone know if/how they managed to get the 'robots' to simulate walking? Up until recently it was nearly impossible to get a robot to simulate real walking while keeping balance.

    I think the first modern robot to actually do this was that Honda one that came out last year.

    1. Re:They managed to simulate walking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      In a word - helium.

    2. Re:They managed to simulate walking? by SnowZero · · Score: 1

      Most of them are supported partially by the carriage they are "pulling". I saw something like this (at a museum) that was built in the 1930s. Most of the pictures are from angles that don't let you rule out hidden supports, and the rest are fanciful drawings.

      BTW, there were plenty of walking biped robots in the research world before Honda's Asimo. Asimo is just the latest and greatest. Honda's work alone goes back almost 25 years.

    3. Re:They managed to simulate walking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's really not all that hard to simulate a bipedal walking. It took me only an hour or two to construct a 2-legged walker out of Legos back in college. Of course this is just a simple walking motion, no running, jogging, etc.

      The Honda robot was special because it could balance itself. My walker and the characters from this story were supported externally the whole time.

    4. Re:They managed to simulate walking? by FunKind · · Score: 1
      Does anyone know if/how they managed to get the 'robots' to simulate walking? Up until recently it was nearly impossible to get a robot to simulate real walking while keeping balance. [...]

      Very perceptive!!! Most people don't note how they are always either standing or running. To my knowledge, they never managed to solve that problem. Every one of the Victorian robots had to either stand still or run, to maintain stability. The "robot walk" of early science fiction is just that--fictional.

      I also think all of the early prototypes had dual gyros for all three axes of rotation (total of 6 gyros). The gyros weren't paired to add redundancy, but to offset the torque generated by the spinning flywheels. Unlike the propellers on the Wright Brothers plane (which used a figure-eight chain drive to spin opposite directions http://www.curtisswright.com/history/1900-1903.asp http://www.cr.nps.gov/nr/travel/aviation/wrightbro thers.htm ), they used direct gearing to do it. I haven't been through the site in detail--does it mention the gunfight with Pancho Villa where Boilerplate lost a gyro? He was then unable to turn left because that yaw-axis gyro was out and the opposing one was acting to twist him toward the right. (The way that story got twisted into the "Coriolis Effect" urban legend explanation is ridiculous....just because Mexico is "South of the Border" it doesn't mean it's Southern Hemisphere---and besides, the Coriolis Effect is so minor, it doesn't even affect a toilet's flushing direction [another urban legend http://www.snopes.com/science/coriolis.htm ].)

      (Also note that the few existing movie clips [silent, of course!] of Boilerplate show him standing by the girl or running---never walking. There's the jerky motion caused by the conversion of the old films to modern format, but I still wouldn't say it was likely a graceful run. Still, it got the job done! [If anyone can convert those clips and post a link to them, that would be cool, but I was unable to get a frame rate that didn't make them even more choppy--maybe DivX would be better than the MPG conversion I tried?]

  52. Re:online dating in the victorian era? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ha-ha! You show yourself to be the racist by assuming the person must be of a different culture! I guess a bigot like you can't imagine a God-fearing English Christian would ever use incorrect grammar!

    Nowhere where did anyone say such a thing! Rather that concept sprang fully formed from your slack-jawed, hood-wearing, sister marrying, yokel mind! Now go out and burn a cross you damn Nazi!

  53. Nikola Tesla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I rather like his radio-controlled robot submarine from 1898.

  54. Ancient Robotic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Heron of Alexandria was making robots back in the day Ancient Invetions Too bad it was forgotten and had to be reinvented later.

  55. Karakuri Ningyo by News+for+nerds · · Score: 3, Informative

    Japan also has such human-shaped mechanical automata called "Karakuri Ningyo" since 12th century.

    karakuri.info
    Karakuri Frontier

  56. Truly fake by Vexar · · Score: 1
    These slashdot nicks, incredible...
    It is a fake. ALthough the artist reproduced the halftoning of the print photo for the robot, they failed to accurately model the light source on the robot. Not the shadow of the robot indicates about a 3pm hour shadow coming from the left, and yet the specularity comes from behind the viewer, at nearly eye-level (sunset), which back then was probably not a do-able photograph due to the speed of chemicals involved.
    Also, and maybe you missed this, the poster indicates they are fakes. I once got into a vast argument with the well-intentioned but incredibly wrong Allison Henyey, about such things. As we were but schoolchildren at the time, In retrospect, she probably found these Edisonade novels in her Dad's book collection, and was unware of the fictive nature. This during the tour of the ill-fated International Robomation Intelligence corporation, to which my father was employed as a machine vision scientist, an embarassment I will never forget.

    The IRI P256 is a robot to be remembered. Its might and magesty, combined with the Vision module, is what throws out the rejects at the Ore-Ida potato factory, when making our beloved Tater-Tots.

    The crap that NASA and the JPL churns out is frail, slow, and always a "prototype." It truly is a shame that they didn't go with a COTS model for Mars missions, like that deal they used in the caves in Afghanistan, or the one that climbed the shaft in the Pyramids at Gizeh (Khufu Pyramid, I believe).

    Drop-ship 15 of those with one sensor apiece (rather than cram it all into one system), run WiFi from robots to a base module with an uplink to the orbiter module, and all of the sudden, you have the opportunity to employ swarm theory with the robots ("let's work together and get the job done faster"), and cooperative robotics ("help, I'm stuck on a rock, someone roll over here and give me a tug") as needed.

    Maybe a well-intentioned plutocrat from Microsoft will see this as a worthwhile venture in his space quest.

    1. Re:Truly fake by SYFer · · Score: 1

      You took the words right out of my mouth!

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  57. The Steam Man story is available from Geutenberg by caffeineboy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The Geutenberg Project has the text of the story "Steam Man of the Prairies" here.
    For those who are interested in this work.

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  58. More disproof... by cvk · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm sure that everyone reading the Boilerplate story (about the would-be soldier, scout, mechanical marvel-man, etc...) wondered what kind of magic pills the guy who wrote it was taking since clearly a steam-powered man never did anything he claims it did.

    Some more (dis)proof is provided for those who couldn't find that magic pill. Mechanical soldier, my shiny metal ass!

  59. Re:The Steam Man story is available from Geutenber by caffeineboy · · Score: 1

    ...and I can't spell Gutenberg, even when I link to it.

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  60. Pneuman! by Scrameustache · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Lets not forget Pneuman, Tom Strong's loyal pneumatic robot man servant.

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  61. Simpsons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dude, surely you can come up with a better and more relevant Simpsons' quote regarding robotics than that.

    Marge: "See all that stuff in there, Homer? That's why your robot never worked!"

  62. Boilerplate is ficitonal by rtrowbridge · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually, Boilerplate is a fictional robot:

    http://www.bigredhair.com/boilerplate/bp.report. ht ml

    1. Re:Boilerplate is ficitonal by Fizzl · · Score: 1

      Oh Nohz!
      Truely! A shocking revelation! =)

      --insert wittier one liner to counter sarcastic remark which will be modded as flame bait--

  63. Big O by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not truly Victorian but the style is the same (sort of a Victorian/Japan type of thing going on).

    Quick I must pull this lever and turn this great knob to save the day in my ultra-futuristic Robot! Boy if big levers come back into style in the futrue I cant wait, screw flying cars I want levers!

    Milo

  64. Mason & Dixon by drenehtsral · · Score: 1

    Wow, I'd always meant to google around for the robotic duck... That particular robotic duck plays an interresting character in the novel "Maxon & Dixon". Cool =:-)

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    1. Re:Mason & Dixon by No+One's+Zero · · Score: 1

      I can't wait to get to that part. I blew through Vineland, and '49... this book just has to be read slowy. There are no spoilers.... It's Pynchon

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    2. Re:Mason & Dixon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I, for one, welcome our new Robotick Masters.

  65. Dr. Wily by x136 · · Score: 1

    Steam Man? Electric Man? Automatic Man? Good to hear Dr. Wily was alive and well in the 1800s.

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  66. hey, don't forget the best one of all! by Tumbleweed · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Cowbot Neil! *mooo-beep!*

  67. And don't forget... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tik Tok, the wind-up mechanical man from the land of Oz. Mind you, L. Frank Baum's books weren't Victorian-era books, technically speaking, since Victoria died in 1900.

  68. Pre-victorian robots... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One was the Golem, a magical living statue created by a rabbi living in the ghetto of medieval Germany. Great stuff.

  69. Caves of Steel by BackwardEngineer · · Score: 1

    What about R. Daneel Olivaw?

  70. More info about the Boilerplate hoax by *Pres* · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here you can find more info about the Boilerplate hoax.

    1. Re:More info about the Boilerplate hoax by catdevnull · · Score: 2, Informative

      Another link here (if you didn't already see it).

      For about 2 seconds, I was fascinated by the historical technology--then I thought, "Wait a sec..", now I'm in awe of the brilliance of this hoax! :)

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  71. ?! WTF by RMH101 · · Score: 1
    "It left France as open as a default IIS install"

    Only on Slashdot...

    1. Re:?! WTF by wa1ter · · Score: 1

      Well it did and it does :P

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  72. Forgotten Futures, the Scientific Romance RPG by Allen+Varney · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Gamers who enjoyed reading about these fictional robots from the penny-dreadful and dime-novel days should check out Forgotten Futures. From the site: "Forgotten Futures is Marcus Rowland's table-top role playing game based on scientific romances, the predecessors of science fiction that were published in the late 19th and early 20th century. Each collection focuses on a different theme, and include space travel through the heavily populated solar system of 1900, Ghost Hunting in Edwardian England, and adventures with Arthur Conan Doyle's Professor Challenger." Fun stuff, and great value too.

  73. You forget the oldest one by ahmetaa · · Score: 2, Informative

    He deserves to be known as the father of robotics and cybernetics. Ebul-iz smail bin ar-Razzaz el-Cezeri lived in the 13.cc and dedicated his life to build automats. Link down is turkish but you can see a picture of his man-like robot design there.
    http://www.teknoturk.org/docking/yazilar/t t000052- yazi.htm

    1. Re:You forget the oldest one by dangermuseum · · Score: 1

      do u have a link of this Ebul-iz smail Bin in english. thanks.

  74. 2nd Gen Boilerplate elected President by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I understand an amazing 2nd Generation Boilerplate was covertly created in Arkansas and unkowingly elected to the Presidency in the 1900's. He was able to perform remarkably human feats of skill and daring during his career. He mysteriously vanished at the end of the century.
    His amazing story soon to appear.......

  75. Passing the Pop-Culture Test by handy_vandal · · Score: 1

    I'm starting to think that moderator points shouldn't be alloted unless you've passed a pop-culture test.

    I recently passed a pop-culture test. Stank like hell, but I felt a lot better afterwards. Must have been something bad I ate the night before.

    -kgj

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  76. Blame France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The American reaction to a foreign country having the audacity to stand up against them, totally sickened me. I lost all ( well, what limited respect I had anyways

    Blame France. They made the decision to side with a major terrorist leader (Saddam). They much more stood up for Saddam and terrorism, than they stood against the U.S. It totally sickened me: it was a return to the French evil-mindedness that made the Vichy regine so successful.

  77. Arkansas Biolerplate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I understand an amazing 2nd Generation Boilerplate was covertly created in Arkansas and unkowingly elected to the Presidency in the 1900's

    Wasn't this one involved in a scandal that had something to do with an oilstain on a secretary's corset?

  78. The Fundamental Question by randall_burns · · Score: 1

    Which country is _really_ in worse shape Japan or the US? Japan has some serious problems that are up-front and visible. I would personally argue that the United States has even _bigger_ problems that are looming in the not so distant future: the Social Security crisis--which has been slightly forstalled by mass immigration, the fact that disposable income in the US is now in the US for a two income family less than it was for a 1 income family 30 years ago, the social costs associated with mass immigration, the fact that the US government is running $400 Billion in trade deficits and enormous governmental deficits. What I see here: US elites are liquidating assets at an enormous rate(which is what these policies of mass-immigration and budget deficits are really about). Japanese elites don't have those kinds of assets and are closer to facing their problems more head-on.

  79. Favourite quotes by z00z · · Score: 1
    Yes .. I read the article(s). Here are some of my favourite quotes:

    -In 1901, to celebrate the new millennium, ...

    -The inventor of the machine-man said it could keep up that pace for an almost unlimited time.

    -In the small of the back is a small metal tube about one-half inch in diameter ..

  80. Trade defecits do not matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When you look at it, trade defecits are really a non-problem, and are not really a defecit. In these trades, something of equal value is always being traded (either goods or money). The trade is thus ALWAYS balanced. The only unbalanced trade that could make a REAL defecit is if someone is shipping something out and not getting paid (or paying and not getting goods). Don't worry about the trade defecit: rest assured that we are getting our proper value for money and goods traded.

    1. Re:Trade defecits do not matter by FunKind · · Score: 1
      Define "proper value"...

      A cash-poor, mineral-rich, nation may sell off their mineral resources for a pittance to you and me. Likewise, we pay excessively high prices for our lifestyle. Part of that is the fact that Westerners tend to expend our "wealth" on things that are ephemeral, although this is only one reason. And when one party is trading on credit, then the equation becomes more complex. A trading partner might RECEIVE a fair price for what they transfer to you....but you ended up losing when you had to borrow the money and owe interest. (I.e., it's not a direct zero-sum between trading partners.)

      (Another example, more on topic for the overall thread, is that it would be a ridiculous waste of resources for a nation to buy robot technology if they are population and food-rich but cash-poor. Surely such a purchase would not be a "balanced trade." Value obtained and price paid are not always directly tied in a fixed and easy to see fashion.)

      Don't get me wrong--I'm not a trade deficit alarmist. But I think your analysis is incomplete.

      Likewise, productive immigration can help a country long-term. Unproductive immigration may be used as a short-term prop, all the while undercutting the long-term wealth of a nation. I believe we are in the latter version, and

      I think the 1990's were a period of illusionary wealth. We in America sold out lots of intangibles (a sort of Capital Good), in order to gain short-term, false "prosperity." As the previous poster noted, we now have lower real income for two workers than it used to be for one. We have no job security. We have worse benefits. We have killer work-weeks with little vacation.

      In fact, this is a long-term trend. We have lower education and higher taxes (MUCH higher than what the colonists had a revolution over in the 1770s), etc. I don't see it turning around unless Americans demonstrate there's some reason to buy from us rather than overseas at a cheaper price.

  81. Fake - or is it...? by cr0sh · · Score: 2, Insightful
    True, the site mentioned is a fake site, a work of fiction (and interesting in its own right). But behind this veil of deception lies intriguing truths!

    As already has been mentioned, there were "robotic" devices in the Victorian era and before! De Vaucanson's duck was only one such marvel of the era. There are the Droz family automata (which are real close to actual robots, the devices are able to be "re-programmed" via cams and levers, though such changes are very difficult to make). There is another automata, I forget the maker's name, which is a silver swan that moves with a very smooth grace. Lastly, there really was a steam-powered two-legged walking machine - it used a small steam engine, exhaust came out it's head, and a steam whistle in its mouth. It used a rotating cam/crank mechanism to allow it to walk stiff-leggedly around in a circle, via a long arm attached to a central pivot point.

    Automata during the Victorian period and before served to fuel the imagination of quite a variety of characters - Babbage himself became interested in a variety of automata of the period, including Kempelen's Turk chess player (more on this in a bit). Mary Shelly saw the Droz automata, which has been said to be one of the sparks for Frankenstein.

    These people and many others were influenced by these machines in very profound ways. They caused many "top" people of the day to pause and ask themselves and others "can a machine be alive - can it think for itself?" - no doubt the Turk, though not truely a robot, was a very advanced form of automata commanded by a hidden operator (it was no simple puppet - it was more like a remotely operated robot in action). Robots like the Turk caused much discussion about the possibility of machines being intelligent, and indirectly led to the questioning of whether we humans are nothing more than intelligent meat machines. Shelly's Frankenstein questioned the morality and desires behind the need to create machines (and the blending of a created man with human parts) - and what happens when that machine seeks companionship and answers to its own life.

    These themes continue to resonate with us to this very day - it is what is driving the human race to create ever more advanced robots and androids. These themes are seen in various AI research, game programming and development (to make the characters in the world more believable - virtual robots, if you will), and other simulations.

    Victorian-era "robotics" are only one stage (and really, a middle stage) in the development of machines to automatically (and intelligently) do our bidding (hopefully alongside us)...

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    Reason is the Path to God - Anon
  82. Tin Woodsman = Cyborg by AtariAmarok · · Score: 1

    Yes. During his transition, he was a cyborg, and that is what he is best counted as. I wonder if a cyborg had been imagined previous to "The Wonderful Wizard of Oz"?

    However, once all of his parts were replaced, it is hard to argue that he was not a robot by that point.

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    Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
  83. so karakuri Ningyo, by dangermuseum · · Score: 1

    Japan's karakuri Ningyo in is the oldest evidence of the begginnings of the robot. 12 Century. but the earliest robotic device was dated back 2600 BC.(China).
    Gion Festival, Kyoto
    This festival began in the year 869, and is held during the middle of July annually. link 2

    Ebul-iz smail bin ar-Razzaz el-Cezeri - is in the 13th century.
    Golem, a magical living statue created by a rabbi living in the ghetto of medieval Germany. Great stuff. 16th Century think it is a story and myth. Not mechanical but made of clay.
    (fictional) Boilerplate and all the victorian robots are still far away at least a few centuries later than the Japanese robots eh? Should see them in action, quite cool.

    see. victorian robotics not ancient enuff.

    ooooooooo
    Have u been to the website coming near you...
    www.tsunamii.net

  84. A likely excuse by AtariAmarok · · Score: 1

    The tin woodsman was not a robot. He was a piecemeal cyborg. An offended witch caused him to 'accidentally' chop off himself while plying his trade.

    That has always seemed like a likely story: "Were you clumsy with your axe, Nick Chopper?" "Why no, a witch made me do it!"

    "Personally, I find it incredible. It's enough to cast doubt on the veracity of the entire OZ ouvre.

    and the "witch made me do it" excuse could throw the hole workmens comp business into chaos.

    Nick Chopper- a man barely able to use a butter knive without requiring stitches. Gentlemen, we can rebuild him. We have the technology (or at least we have some spare tin cans lying around). We have the capability to build the world's first tin man. Nick Chopper will be that man. Better than he was before. Better. Faster. Stronger. And a little less clumsy with the axe.

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    Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
  85. Re:Dupe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you bastard... i was metamodding one of the talkbacks and i had to do all my metamodding again! grr...