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MandrakeMove Final Available for Download
hendridm writes "According to the Mandrake Linux web page, 'MandrakeMove is available for download - Everything for Office, Multimedia and Internet on a single live CD: the final version of MandrakeMove Download Edition is now publicly available for download. Make your Windows-friends discover how powerful and friendly Mandrake Linux is: this couldn't be easier than with MandrakeMove!' Go team." (We mentioned this version of Mandrake before; of course, if you download, you don't get a memory key with the deal ;))
I don't really understand what the Move part of it means. Is that move from Windows, move around, mobile...? The web site doesn't seem to explain.
I know you dont get the Key but does that mean you can't use one??? Surely someone out there will write something to get around this. If anyone knows of a way around this please post it here.
# The MandrakeMove Boxed Edition is now available at MandrakeStore.com. The Boxed Edition provides the MandrakeMove system, plus the capability to save configuration and personal data to a USB key, plus additional commercial software such as NVidia(R) drivers, Acrobat(R) ReaderTM, RealPlayerTM, FlashPlayerTM, and MandrakeMove documentation.
I call that a good reason to buy the boxed version. When travelling, this is the perfect way to have your office at hand with 99% of the Wintel-Boxes out there.
Is kicking himself he didn't get a patent on his _live_ cd design.
Remember that knoppix is still a geek orientated distro. It is based on debian, has hundreds of apps with confusing labels. What is a mc, qtparted, rosegarden for example. Also you need to enter a COMMAND LINE (evil, evil evil!) to enable the USB key on knoppix. Mandrake is a distro for the rest of us.
It dosen't come close to Konppix. MandrakeMove *assumes* that you have at least a 128MB USB memory key plugged into the PC because you still have to set it up. That's a bad thing. I'll still use Knoppix.
I moved _away_ from Mandrake.
Too buggy. It was a nice learning system though for moving from windows to Linux. Plenty of bugs and problems to fight with.
I finally got tired of Mandrake problems, not just me but all the family and friends I support, and moved everyone to Suse.
Rock solid. ALL features work right out of the box with the exception of burning MP3's to audio CDR with K3b (Suse forgot to include MP3 support on compilation) but an update is online.
Suse is great. Mandrake, eh... Yeah I tried it, for a year and a half and it helped me learn and adjust to Linux. It's OK for newbies but it IS buggy...
...has been available for some time now.
(I wonder how that happened?)
Is this truly the only Earth I can live on?
If that watch uses a standard USB Mass Storage interface, it should be well supported by any recent OS, including Linux.
It's hard to be religious when certain people are never incinerated by bolts of lightning.
(and I live in Brussels as well)
Being a little more windows dependant that some slashdot folk, I always find trying to switch my laptop to 100% linux is a little like giving up smoking... I always seem to relapse to windows (or at best dual boot).
I like using unix style operating systems for work, but it can be hard to leave some of the games behind. I also get my fair share of driver issues and havent quite managed to get vid conf from a linux desktop to a windows desktop working.
The idea of having a CD that I throw in to boot an OS used for serious work seems like a good one to me, that way I still get windows (lets face it, most of us have already paid for it anyway!), its a best of both worlds.
I have one concern, presumably the OS needs a partition to write temporary data to, and even if it doesnt what good is an OS that cant save files to disk (before anyone gets smart, I will qualify that with a desktop operating system for your standard PC/Laptop).
So the $64'000 is, how reliable is the NTFS support? I read things like "Dont write to NTFS, it could trash the partition!", which basically is a show-stopper for me...
Maybe im way out of date, but a quick glance at the Mandrake move website didnt give me the info.
Can anyone clear this up?
I moved from Redhat 8 (half a year), to SuSE 8.2 (three months) to Mandrake 9.2 DL Edition, which I've been quite happy with for the last month. Both SuSE and MDK are excellent to install and maintain, but SuSE started behaving a bit strange on me after a while (Scanning for new hardware on boot locked up, some random system freezes I never could find an answer to, etc). Could've been just me, but after using 10 minutes to replace SuSE with Mandrake, I was in love. (Click to select Norwegian keyboard, click to keep /home, click to keep Win2k partition, next, next, next, FINISHED!)
Only worries with MDK: Kernel source was not included on CDs, and I have not been able to stop urpmi from complaining about that "contrib" uses an invalid list file.
Apart from that, two thumbs up.
I shall go and tell the indestructible man that someone plans to murder him.
I'd rather see more focus on a core linux that is fast and capable, with reliable drivers...something capable of running a java vm and the upcoming Java Desktop reliably.
I've been trying a number of deaktop apps in the mulimedia space, and it's a huge moving target. Interfaces upon interfaces upon interfaces, all depending on each other, all demanding that bug reporters recompile everything with debugging enabled and provide backtraces, each group a little clique pointing their fingers at the other cliques...none of the apis are stable, not even the default locations of the libs, constant whining in the configure scripts about "whatever.pc" needing to be updated, lower layer drivers (jackit.sourceforge.net) are listed as alpha, but people writing audio apps claim their code is "beta" or "production" yet it requires this "jack" daemon, which freezes every box i run it on within 5 minutes? Absurd.
It's going to take a single entity, like Sun or IBM, to create a "Java Desktop" that runs on top of the VM. This would be a fully guided effort, one that leaves the lower layers to the pros and lets developers write all the crap they want on top--and usually gives quality backtraces right from the get go.
Best of all, one quality API that easily extensible for pretty much anything, and has been beaten on for ten years...almost as long as the linux kernel. In one fell swoop, KDE/Qt/Gnome all go into the toilet, where, IMHO, they belong. Note I didn't say GTK, for obvious reasons.
This gets the hardcore developers back to what they do best--creating and maintaining a glue layer. There's no reason that the people working on Gnome/KDE/Qt could not rally behind a free VM/Swing/whatever implementation, making the best one on the planet.
The kernel is a solid, stable interface, it's for the most kickass developers to move up a layer and get a fantastic VM and Swing-type toolkit working, so developers can rally around a development environment that is stable and works.
Sure, they've gotten better.
Mandrake has, during some version cycles, binned a lot of the bugs infesting Mandrake's semi-good releases from about 7.2 (when I started to get to know Mandrake) until 9.0. I am now running Mandrake 9.2, and, except for some rarities with the installation choosing the correct CDs, cannot say that there are any very remarkable bugs. The control center works great (to the extent that I am using it, which is little), and I think it's very understandable. Even my mom uses it out of the box.
In addition, if you sign up for MandrakeClub, you get a bunch of extra RPMs and commercial software. And, if you buy the boxed stuff, you get a lot of nice features like digital camera automounting (which pops up a desktop icon).
There is a QA, and it covers bug testing through Cooker (Mandrake development version). I've also noticed that they update the release ISOs when there are extra annoying bugs that might slip through.
All in all, Mandrake has matured while still keeping the user friendliness that they focus so much on. The releases, in my opinion, mostly look great. Configuration utilities ease with time, and I presume that in one or two major Mandrake releases (now for 10, might get to 11) we'll see a wonderful system that works for anyone.
As of the fonts, Mandrake is good at keeping this up to date. The fonts in Gnome and KDE are antialiased, and OpenOffice look good if you're using the "replacement" fonts for Windows fonts. If you have a windows install, Mandrake autogets these fonts and installs them.
2. Does it have, out-of-the-box, screen fonts that don't suck, i.e., that are as good as Windows fonts circa 1995?
Microsoft was kind enough to make the core of their fonts available to the Linux community though they probably won't ever release something licensed like that again once they found out how we were using it.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/corefonts/
Arial, Times, Courier, Comic etc. A dozen of the ones you expect to be there.
Most Linux distros will work just fine with any TTF library - like the ones you would normally find in you C:\WINNT\Fonts directory. If you purchased a font, you should be able to use it on Linux as well as whatever else you have permission to use it on.
+++ UGUCAUCGUAUUUCU
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If you can't get on the 'Net, most people won't even bother with it.
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NTFS is generally kernel stuff. Writing is, at least in 2.4, NOT recommended. The Linux-NTFS people say that the risk of failure is.. big.
But for 2.6 kernels, there's another world. The "new" NTFS drivers are better, and reads perfectly well. Quoting the Linux-NTFS website: The new driver, introduced in 2.5.11, has some write code, but it's very limited. The driver can overwrite existing files, but it cannot change the length, add new or delete existing files.
All in all, NTFS isn't reliable except for reading in 2.6 kernels. These NTFS drivers are in the kernel tree.
A good FAQ is at this place
FAT sucks, but works brilliantly for almost nothing. Like temp files.
If you're lucky, the Mandrake folks gave you the availability to write temp files to the USB key (boxed Mandrake Move). I don't know, though.
Fedora seems like a good option to me, the way it resembles Debian.
On the other hand why don't you try Knoppix/Debian, I never had any problem installing Knoppix to a new computer. At the end you get the real power of Debian which is apt.
Make your Windows-friends discover how powerful and friendly Mandrake Linux is: this couldn't be easier than with MandrakeMove!
Friends don't MAKE friends do anything. Sometimes I encourage them to try something. Sometimes I suggest they not do something. Mandrake Linux, the distro for Kim Jong-il. Make your friends use it! Or else!
While it's been awhile since I've worked with Mandrake, and I have never worked with Fedora, I have worked quite a bit with RedHat. My advice depends on what you want to do with the OS. If you are wanting a GNU/Linux OS with all the whiz-bang autoconfigure tools you could ever hope for, use Mandrake. If you want something that is more likely to include the latest (which does not neccessarily mean greatest) beta version of $SOFTWARE, use Fedora.
If on the other hand, you are predominantly interested in running a stable OS without a lot of layers of abstraction, choose Slackware. RedHat/Fedora is too unstable (I would say the same about Mandrake IMO) and Mandrake is too complicated. Sure you have the latest version of KOffice, but really, what does it do for you that the previous stable version didn't? Sure you have all these whiz-bang autoconfigure tools and rarely need to go to the commandline, but what are you really learning, and what performance are you sacrificing to get that? Slackware offers the latest stable versions of most all the software you need (being a thin distro it doesn't include everything under the sun like SuSE and Mandrake), typically runs as fast as if not faster than all the other major distros out there, and rarely ever gives you problems. The learning curve is albeit higher than other distros, and Slackware users are perhaps justifiably titled elitest at times, but there are good reasons for that. It takes a certain dedication to learning Slackware, because it doesn't bother with needless gui config tools, with bloated SYS-V init, and similar pieces of software that tend to offer little and take a lot, but the rewards are worth it.
Slackware, what else when it must be secure, stable, and easy?
Slackware.
A distribution with chest hair.
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My expreience: 8.2 and 9.1 were great. 9.0 and 9.2 were buggy.
I since moved to MEPIS which also runs off a live CD, has a USB key feature and the HD install involves double clicking a link on the desktop.
It's Debian based and has a ton of things pre-configured by default (things like Java and browser plugins).
Examples - Open Office releases a newer version than what's on the CD (with a 300Mb footprint), or there's a browser secuity patch. Now what?
Seems like expansion may be limited.
As it is based on the last stable version of Mandrake, 9.2, it is not. The next version that is now in development is alredy using 2.6, and that means that both the next Mandrake and MandrakeMove release will be 2.6.
I have an iPod and the USB cable. What would it take to use the iPod instead of a keychain?
From what i read on the website, it is basically the same as Mandrake 9.2, which has kernel 2.4.22 and Linux 2.6.0pre kernel provided in contribs.
Since this is a static cd-rom system, i think it is safe to say the kernel will be 2.4.22 and NOT 2.6.
I think this is a good thing, 2.6 is out only fairly recently, while 2.4.22 has proven itself to be extremely stable. Once you have burned the cd, its kinda hard to install an update, so going for stability doesn't seem that weird to me.
Mandrake may have the desktop experience to do this well, but the field is very competitive. With all the variants of knoppix out there, they need to stand out from a big crowd. Selling it with a USB key might help to differentiate it from the others, and of course there's urpmi.
I'm particularly thankful for them because they make my laptop with a dead hard drive usable.
OTOH, I have learned more about Linux since I tried Gentoo than I ever did while using Redhat or Mandrake. Which is the real reason I chose it. I needed something that would force me to learn how to use it better.
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There is a knoppix remastering called DamnSmallLinux - Designed to run on small CDs, but can be modified to boot from a USB key! :) Oh, yeah, and it's 50 MB! :) How's that for light and portable?
The distro runs FluxBox as the WM, it has a browser, email client, word processor, file mananger, instant messenger, picture viewer, image editing, spreadsheet and a lot more
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The download version is worthless because of the features cut out from it and the payware version doesn't have anything I haven't seen in a ton of other Knoppix mods. Nvidia drivers, flash, USB Thumbdrive support, acrobat? These are all things many LiveCd's have.
I just don't see the point of this distro except for Mandrake users who don't know that you can download basically the same thing for free with other Live cd's. The things Mandrake is known for, ie ease of install, ease of longterm admin don't apply in the transient nature of Live cd's. Compared to what's already available for Free the Mandrake version is just not compelling enough to make people pay for it.
Hope they are doing this more as a service then something they actually hope to make money on.
If you wanna get rich, you know that payback is a bitch
Yes, I had these problems with the invalid file list as well. They disappeared after choosing a different mirror. Don't know why though. Configure your mirrors for urpmi here: http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/
I am extremely happy with Mandrake 9.2. Except some minor sound problems everything else worked out of the box
I agree. I waited for the Mandrake 9.2 ISO's to become publically available before I decided to check out Mandrake 9.2. I installed it on my wife's computer and after about a week, I was "sold". I ordered the Power Pack DVD from MandrakeStore.com and have been very happy with my purchase.
I installed it on my machine on another hard-drive (was using Fedora Core 1 prior) and once I got all my data copied over from Fedora, I was using Mandrake exclusively there on out. I kept my Fedora install around for 2 or 3 weeks (just in case) but I finally ended up formatting that drive a few days ago so I could use the space for storage. On this machine (and only this machine) the default kernels seem to have something included that causes my computer to hard lock after a seemingly random amount of time. This would definitely be a show stopper for a newbie. But I prefer to compile my own kernel anwyway (and with the announcement of the memory bug in the pre 2.4.24 kernels), compiling your own kernel becomes a really good idea. My custom kernel has been perfectly stable.
I'm able to do everything I want to do with a computer. My current browser of choice is Galeon, though there is a lot to like about Mozilla Firebird. But Galeon has better Gnome integration in my opinion.
Gaim does all I need it to do for Instant Messaging.
I generally prefer the likes of light-weight players like XMMS for basic music listening, but lately (uhh..basically starting today) I'm really starting to appreciate RhythmBox. It just makes it real easy to find and sort songs instead of going through the directory hierarchy with your file manager. Now if RhythmBox would just get some integration with various portable digital music players (iPod for me - but I'd like to see plugins for as many as possible), that would be truly great. GTKpod works for syncing with iPod, but I don't like maintaining two completely different music databases. I'm really starting to like the rating system. So simple, but so useful.
Evolution is just more than I need in an e-mail client so I have been using Thunderbird. I'm happy with it, it works. But I think it could be improved (and I'm sure it will be, it's only version 0.4).
I'm finding that Gimp is kind of hard to get use to. It's kind of awkward in my opinion but I am learning more about it all the time. Like Photoshop though, it's just way more than I need. I'd like to find a high quality, good looking Gnome/GTK Image Editor that can do all of the basic things like resizing, cropping, rotation, etc...
I've been using Open Office for a while and I'm pretty happy with it. But I'd like to see better API? integration. (Not sure if API is the right term.) But basically where OO fits in better with the Gnome HIG. OO just looks really out of place on my system. But it works, and works well and that's the most important thing to me. I'm confident the aesthetics will catch up eventually.
Between Totem and GXine, I'm able to view every video file format I've ran into. And the playback is perfectly smooth. I use to have a real issue with video playback under Linux.
I also installed my Mandrake 9.2 DVD on my Laptop (Sony Vaio PCG-FX140) and have been very happy with it. The only problem I've had on the laptop has been with the power management stuff not working. For some people that would probably be a show stopper but for my uses it isn't really an issue. And I could probably resolve it if I took the time to figure it out. All of my hardware works "out of the box". (The onboard modem may or may not work. I'm not sure, I've never used it whether using Linux or Windows.)
I still have the download version on my wife's machine and she has been using it without any complaints ever since I installed it. She surfs the web (Galeon), checks her e-mail (Thunderbird), enjoys all the little dumb games that come w