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MandrakeMove Final Available for Download
hendridm writes "According to the Mandrake Linux web page, 'MandrakeMove is available for download - Everything for Office, Multimedia and Internet on a single live CD: the final version of MandrakeMove Download Edition is now publicly available for download. Make your Windows-friends discover how powerful and friendly Mandrake Linux is: this couldn't be easier than with MandrakeMove!' Go team." (We mentioned this version of Mandrake before; of course, if you download, you don't get a memory key with the deal ;))
I don't really understand what the Move part of it means. Is that move from Windows, move around, mobile...? The web site doesn't seem to explain.
I am moving away from RedHat 8 and I'm still doubting between Mandrake and Fedora. Guess this settles it... or not? Which one should I choose?
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I know you dont get the Key but does that mean you can't use one??? Surely someone out there will write something to get around this. If anyone knows of a way around this please post it here.
# The MandrakeMove Boxed Edition is now available at MandrakeStore.com. The Boxed Edition provides the MandrakeMove system, plus the capability to save configuration and personal data to a USB key, plus additional commercial software such as NVidia(R) drivers, Acrobat(R) ReaderTM, RealPlayerTM, FlashPlayerTM, and MandrakeMove documentation.
I call that a good reason to buy the boxed version. When travelling, this is the perfect way to have your office at hand with 99% of the Wintel-Boxes out there.
Is kicking himself he didn't get a patent on his _live_ cd design.
Remember that knoppix is still a geek orientated distro. It is based on debian, has hundreds of apps with confusing labels. What is a mc, qtparted, rosegarden for example. Also you need to enter a COMMAND LINE (evil, evil evil!) to enable the USB key on knoppix. Mandrake is a distro for the rest of us.
It dosen't come close to Konppix. MandrakeMove *assumes* that you have at least a 128MB USB memory key plugged into the PC because you still have to set it up. That's a bad thing. I'll still use Knoppix.
Hopefully this will work better for me than knoppix. I could never get my laptop(dell latitude lt, P1 233 mmx, 64mb ram, 4Gb HD) to boot to knoppix. I'd like to switch to linux, patrly because they're dropping support for win98 this week, and i really only need web, e-mail, IM etc. but i need support for a pcmcia cd-rom drive and my wireless card as well as my watch.
"Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus Rex."
MandrakeMove is Mandrake Linux on a boot CD. That's right, it requires no hard drive. Everything is stored in RAM. That's about as simple as it gets.
I moved _away_ from Mandrake.
Too buggy. It was a nice learning system though for moving from windows to Linux. Plenty of bugs and problems to fight with.
I finally got tired of Mandrake problems, not just me but all the family and friends I support, and moved everyone to Suse.
Rock solid. ALL features work right out of the box with the exception of burning MP3's to audio CDR with K3b (Suse forgot to include MP3 support on compilation) but an update is online.
Suse is great. Mandrake, eh... Yeah I tried it, for a year and a half and it helped me learn and adjust to Linux. It's OK for newbies but it IS buggy...
...has been available for some time now.
(I wonder how that happened?)
Is this truly the only Earth I can live on?
Anyone know if this is based on 2.6?
- C.
Would this edition be suitable for trying on Linux as my main desktop PC without comitting myself to partitioning and installing? I'd like to see how well my Windows apps perform under whatever the mdoern equivalent of WINE is...
I could never get my laptop(dell latitude lt, P1 233 mmx, 64mb ram, 4Gb HD) to boot to knoppix. [...] i need support for a pcmcia cd-rom drive and my wireless card as well as my watch
your watch should be supported without problems, as an usb-scsi storage device. that's how my HP320 digital camera(128 MB) and nokia 5510(64 MB) work.
when you check this out, plesase tell us whether MandrakeMove works better than Knoppix
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Being a little more windows dependant that some slashdot folk, I always find trying to switch my laptop to 100% linux is a little like giving up smoking... I always seem to relapse to windows (or at best dual boot).
I like using unix style operating systems for work, but it can be hard to leave some of the games behind. I also get my fair share of driver issues and havent quite managed to get vid conf from a linux desktop to a windows desktop working.
The idea of having a CD that I throw in to boot an OS used for serious work seems like a good one to me, that way I still get windows (lets face it, most of us have already paid for it anyway!), its a best of both worlds.
I have one concern, presumably the OS needs a partition to write temporary data to, and even if it doesnt what good is an OS that cant save files to disk (before anyone gets smart, I will qualify that with a desktop operating system for your standard PC/Laptop).
So the $64'000 is, how reliable is the NTFS support? I read things like "Dont write to NTFS, it could trash the partition!", which basically is a show-stopper for me...
Maybe im way out of date, but a quick glance at the Mandrake move website didnt give me the info.
Can anyone clear this up?
it hangs on my laptop where mandrake 9.2
(after fiddling around) is installed and knoppix shines.. wtf ??
need to play around with some of the parameters I guess.
why is ACPI such a problem for some distros ??
I'd rather see more focus on a core linux that is fast and capable, with reliable drivers...something capable of running a java vm and the upcoming Java Desktop reliably.
I've been trying a number of deaktop apps in the mulimedia space, and it's a huge moving target. Interfaces upon interfaces upon interfaces, all depending on each other, all demanding that bug reporters recompile everything with debugging enabled and provide backtraces, each group a little clique pointing their fingers at the other cliques...none of the apis are stable, not even the default locations of the libs, constant whining in the configure scripts about "whatever.pc" needing to be updated, lower layer drivers (jackit.sourceforge.net) are listed as alpha, but people writing audio apps claim their code is "beta" or "production" yet it requires this "jack" daemon, which freezes every box i run it on within 5 minutes? Absurd.
It's going to take a single entity, like Sun or IBM, to create a "Java Desktop" that runs on top of the VM. This would be a fully guided effort, one that leaves the lower layers to the pros and lets developers write all the crap they want on top--and usually gives quality backtraces right from the get go.
Best of all, one quality API that easily extensible for pretty much anything, and has been beaten on for ten years...almost as long as the linux kernel. In one fell swoop, KDE/Qt/Gnome all go into the toilet, where, IMHO, they belong. Note I didn't say GTK, for obvious reasons.
This gets the hardcore developers back to what they do best--creating and maintaining a glue layer. There's no reason that the people working on Gnome/KDE/Qt could not rally behind a free VM/Swing/whatever implementation, making the best one on the planet.
The kernel is a solid, stable interface, it's for the most kickass developers to move up a layer and get a fantastic VM and Swing-type toolkit working, so developers can rally around a development environment that is stable and works.
Sure, they've gotten better.
Mandrake has, during some version cycles, binned a lot of the bugs infesting Mandrake's semi-good releases from about 7.2 (when I started to get to know Mandrake) until 9.0. I am now running Mandrake 9.2, and, except for some rarities with the installation choosing the correct CDs, cannot say that there are any very remarkable bugs. The control center works great (to the extent that I am using it, which is little), and I think it's very understandable. Even my mom uses it out of the box.
In addition, if you sign up for MandrakeClub, you get a bunch of extra RPMs and commercial software. And, if you buy the boxed stuff, you get a lot of nice features like digital camera automounting (which pops up a desktop icon).
There is a QA, and it covers bug testing through Cooker (Mandrake development version). I've also noticed that they update the release ISOs when there are extra annoying bugs that might slip through.
All in all, Mandrake has matured while still keeping the user friendliness that they focus so much on. The releases, in my opinion, mostly look great. Configuration utilities ease with time, and I presume that in one or two major Mandrake releases (now for 10, might get to 11) we'll see a wonderful system that works for anyone.
As of the fonts, Mandrake is good at keeping this up to date. The fonts in Gnome and KDE are antialiased, and OpenOffice look good if you're using the "replacement" fonts for Windows fonts. If you have a windows install, Mandrake autogets these fonts and installs them.
I'm buying Mandrake 9.2 I use Redhat, Debian, and OpenBSD mainly but I tried Mandrake 9.1 on my laptop and replaced Redhat w/ it. urpmi surprised me (almost as good as apt) and the overall speed is noticeably better than Redhat. Combine this w/ the excellent packages from texstar and plf and I'm very happy.
2. Does it have, out-of-the-box, screen fonts that don't suck, i.e., that are as good as Windows fonts circa 1995?
Microsoft was kind enough to make the core of their fonts available to the Linux community though they probably won't ever release something licensed like that again once they found out how we were using it.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/corefonts/
Arial, Times, Courier, Comic etc. A dozen of the ones you expect to be there.
Most Linux distros will work just fine with any TTF library - like the ones you would normally find in you C:\WINNT\Fonts directory. If you purchased a font, you should be able to use it on Linux as well as whatever else you have permission to use it on.
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I would recommend not using a Desktop oriented OS such as Mandrake as a server OS. Your best bet, if price is an issue, would be to use White Box Linux (Free Built from Src Red Hat Enterprise) or pay for a subscription from progeny for your existing install.
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NTFS is generally kernel stuff. Writing is, at least in 2.4, NOT recommended. The Linux-NTFS people say that the risk of failure is.. big.
But for 2.6 kernels, there's another world. The "new" NTFS drivers are better, and reads perfectly well. Quoting the Linux-NTFS website: The new driver, introduced in 2.5.11, has some write code, but it's very limited. The driver can overwrite existing files, but it cannot change the length, add new or delete existing files.
All in all, NTFS isn't reliable except for reading in 2.6 kernels. These NTFS drivers are in the kernel tree.
A good FAQ is at this place
FAT sucks, but works brilliantly for almost nothing. Like temp files.
If you're lucky, the Mandrake folks gave you the availability to write temp files to the USB key (boxed Mandrake Move). I don't know, though.
Make your Windows-friends discover how powerful and friendly Mandrake Linux is: this couldn't be easier than with MandrakeMove!
Friends don't MAKE friends do anything. Sometimes I encourage them to try something. Sometimes I suggest they not do something. Mandrake Linux, the distro for Kim Jong-il. Make your friends use it! Or else!
What is involved in customizing (making changes to desktop theme, what apps are installed, any other settings) and remastering (burning a new live CD that includes your changes but is otherwise just like the original) the MandrakeMove compared to the Knoppix?
The idea of being able to make custom live CDs is extremely appealing, but it is not a trivial process, at least for Knoppix. There are many gory details to keep track of. And last I checked there was a detailed document of the steps involved, but it did not convey information about the Knoppix boot process and structure (i.e. it didn't really help you understand how your changes were being preserved), only what to type in order to remaster.
Also, there is apparently some bug with ext2 and hard links that messes up the size of the new image. For example, if you boot Knoppix, extract it to a partition, and then make no changes but immediately compress it back into an ISO (remaster it), the result should be identical to the CD you booted from, but instead the new ISO is several megs larger than the original CD and will not fit on a disc.
Is perhaps Morphix a better way for custom live CDs? Or is it not yet polished enough to make it "easy"?
I doubt there is any intention to use MandrakeMove as a server of any kind.
Yes, RedHat focuses on Linux for servers. But Mandrake has released both firewalls, server distros and cluster distros - rumour is that they are good. Browse Mandrake's main site for more.
My expreience: 8.2 and 9.1 were great. 9.0 and 9.2 were buggy.
I since moved to MEPIS which also runs off a live CD, has a USB key feature and the HD install involves double clicking a link on the desktop.
It's Debian based and has a ton of things pre-configured by default (things like Java and browser plugins).
Examples - Open Office releases a newer version than what's on the CD (with a 300Mb footprint), or there's a browser secuity patch. Now what?
Seems like expansion may be limited.
I have an iPod and the USB cable. What would it take to use the iPod instead of a keychain?
Mandrake may have the desktop experience to do this well, but the field is very competitive. With all the variants of knoppix out there, they need to stand out from a big crowd. Selling it with a USB key might help to differentiate it from the others, and of course there's urpmi.
http://slashdot.org/articles/03/12/02/1536227.shtm l :), supposingly it's real easy to install, and works on kernel 2.4 and 2.6.
I'm particularly thankful for them because they make my laptop with a dead hard drive usable.
mepis.org doesn't seem to resolve...
I've never had to use X over a network connection, is it slow like VNC or PCAnywhere, or is it relatively fast compared to those options? Also is there anythign else required other then just tunneling the connection through SSH? Any help with this would be great. Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Steve
There is a knoppix remastering called DamnSmallLinux - Designed to run on small CDs, but can be modified to boot from a USB key! :) Oh, yeah, and it's 50 MB! :) How's that for light and portable?
The distro runs FluxBox as the WM, it has a browser, email client, word processor, file mananger, instant messenger, picture viewer, image editing, spreadsheet and a lot more
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The download version is worthless because of the features cut out from it and the payware version doesn't have anything I haven't seen in a ton of other Knoppix mods. Nvidia drivers, flash, USB Thumbdrive support, acrobat? These are all things many LiveCd's have.
I just don't see the point of this distro except for Mandrake users who don't know that you can download basically the same thing for free with other Live cd's. The things Mandrake is known for, ie ease of install, ease of longterm admin don't apply in the transient nature of Live cd's. Compared to what's already available for Free the Mandrake version is just not compelling enough to make people pay for it.
Hope they are doing this more as a service then something they actually hope to make money on.
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Any bootable Linux CD distro use the 2.6 kernel?
well, some one had to sight this.
I agree! I just read about Knoppix in the most recent PC World issue. Redhat 9.2 ran so slow on my older computers so I was waiting until I got a new computer to run it on my current machine.
I've had problems before running Linux dualboot and then restoring it back to windows. This is awesome though because I can basically run this without too much worry about major change in my system. The USB Key is a cool idea to me too! Portable OS and storage, how could you possibly lose?
You shoulda posted logged in. I would have modded you funny at least, maybe even informative.
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Steve
I pass out Knoppix discs to new users all the time. There's no log in, there's no boot paramters, any issues are handled with plain english questions, and most of all, it's visually pleasing. They love it. It gets them started on Linux. You'd be surprised how many people miss DOS and prefer command line, even non-geek computer users.
I dont know what standard you use for geekness, but I consider Gentoo, Debian, or BSD to be geek oriented os's.
I'm pretty sure patenting a linux distribution would involve a GPL violation. There are bits in the GPL to prevent you from patenting something you GPL then demanding royalties. It's a pretty well thought out license.
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Friday I got PCLinuxOS and tonight [speedy download] MandrakeMove. BOTH ARE CRIPPLED...... System Soyo DragonLite, AMD 2600+, 512m PC2700, Maxtor 80g 133, Asus 56xx [MX-440 dual head]. PCLinuxOS leave main monitor [one Win2k boots to] with 8 blue lines at the bottom and nothing on 2nd monitor. MandrakeMove booted but to the 2nd monitor. Does not correctly see the VIA 82xx LAN [on board] and will not do DHCP to SMC 7004VBR. Crashed out several times after tring to config network with KDE can not initialize DCOP [or some line like that] and no applications will run, not even MdkMove configure. PCLinux worked at the office in a FIC-13, AMD 2700+, MX-400 video, 512 PC2700, Maxtor 80g 133. Had to monkey the net config and default gateway 192.168.10.1 [same as here]. Will see in the morning how MdkMove works there.
I already have a USB key. Is it possible to use that with the downloadable Mandrake Move?
J
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Took a quick run through Mandrake Move, and I think I've decided it's great for Mandrake users, but not as a Windows migration path. Here are a couple of things I noticed: /mnt, but at easy to find icon would be good
- fat partitions were recognized and mounted under
- could not find configuration or documentation about palm sync'ing.
- menu items are nicely named by function rather than program name, but sometimes understate what they do. ie: with a menu option like 'create a web page' I would expect a WYSIWIG editor, instead it launches Quanta, a down and dirty HTML editor.
- user intervetion is required on boot to do things like select language. This means that you really do need the USB key enabled version so that you can store these settings.
That said, it booted and configured itself properly, looks pretty, and seems to have lots of apps.
who posted the parent flamebait actually read what he wrote. The last couple of sentences makes a good point (or at least one I heartily agree with, not necessarily the same thing).
/. groupthink, but I'd hardly mod it as flamebait.
The first half of the post runs somewhat against
Mandrake clustering is not all that great, and their sales and support team are both sub standard.
I tried to e-mail as an initial form of contact, and the e-mail was rejected because they have TLS enabled but no cert. Confidence in servers, at least mail, waning. Later I tried phone, which is just a voicemail box in Pasadena, confidence in reaching a live person also waning. After repeated attempts I was never able to get anything from them in terms of pricing for any of their products. No wonder they are dying.
Regardless, this thread was a response to a user who wanted to run web and e-mail services. Not from Mandrake Move but the standard Mandrake. Either way, I wouldn't trust my servers to updates/patches provided by a comany that can't fucking run it's own mail server.
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When travelling, this is the perfect way to have your office at hand with 99% of the Wintel-Boxes out there.
Does it have support for encryption on the USB key ?? (The standard Mandrake already has a great support for encrypted partitions & data)
If it does, it would be one of the biggest promotion points (IMHO) ..
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I was just wondering whether there is an easy way to 'burn' the MandrakeMove CD onto my Thinkpad's harddisk and run it from there as it will probably be faster to boot up.
I know this is going to probably be moderated down as a troll or flamebait but I am just telling you my experiences I had with 2 machines when I tried it.
Portage does have dependancies as well on other ports. Particularly dependancy hell on broken ports that are not as well tested as most distros or *BSD.
Debian and Slackware tend to be more stable, while Suse and Redhat or in the middle, and Gentoo and Mandrake are very cutting edge and have a tendancy to be buggy.
Gentoo == bleeding edge! In my observation I noticed lots of problems with its port tree being potentially broken at any given time. Sometimes a portage x may work and sometimes it wont and will stop with an error.
I got close to an install last time but xmms would fail and is a critical component of kde. I went to the Gentoo message boards and it was confirmed on the buglist. Sadly it was still required to get any gui to run. I supposed I could of edited the python scripts to ignore that dependancy but its the distro's job to do that for me. If XMMS was broken and acknowledged, then why is it required?
Who cordinates the ports testing? Some kid in a basement testing his own app only? They need a ports maintainer.
I had several experiences with Gentoo installing perl5.8 when I needed 5.6 instead by default. Doing a -p would show the dependancies but I would need to edit the scripts manually to have it not fetch perl 5.8 as an example.
I tried to install Gentoo 4 times over the last 2 years and have not had a sucessfull install! SOmething always does not work or core dumps ever 3 minutes.
If you hate dependancies try FreeBSD. The ports are well tested and really work well. I found only one critical bug and you can cvsupit to get the latest ports tree, or use your older one. Never will it net let you do a "make install clean" because you need to upgrade. Gentoo users always tell me to switch but I feel FreeBSD is alot better.
I prefer the BSD makefiles sooo much more over the overly complex portage one. They just work and are alot simplier.
ALso look at Debian. Apt-get is a great way to avoid rpm hell. However it does have binary dependancies but beware.
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Can't you take the CD, rip it to an iso file, and then mount the iso file with that loopback device thingy? Should make it possible to change the layout of the disk somewhat.
Perhaps you can even trick around with chroot and use the package manager to install/remove packages from the image. I don't know if this is safe or anything.
xkcd is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
I'm a fan of Knoppix and Mandrake.. just give Mandrake Move some time.. this is only their first release of their live distro.. how many has Knoppix had by now?
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I'm given to understand that urpmi actually works pretty well for avoiding dependancy hell, but I haven't installed Mandrake or Redhat lately... As for Debian and apt-get, I gave it a shot, and it worked quite well. Except. I had three packages where I'd gotten dependant on features from the newest version, and Debian (being so stable) did not have the newest versions of those packages (two or three revisions down the tree, as I recall).
I'll probably try something else in the near future, I'm not a distro bigot :) For now, Gentoo works quite well, and I'm still being forced to learn how to make things work. Actually I'm planning on getting the MandrakeMove just so I can a) Impress my friends and family with the beauty that is Unix, and b) see what Mandrake 9.2 looks/feels like.
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"The MandrakeMove Boxed Edition is now available at MandrakeStore.com. The Boxed Edition provides the MandrakeMove system, plus the capability to save configuration and personal data to a USB key, plus additional commercial software such as NVidia(R) drivers, Acrobat(R) ReaderTM, RealPlayerTM, FlashPlayerTM, and MandrakeMove documentation."
IMHO this distro is nearly useless without these features. Whatever happened to boxed-distro-same-content-as-downloaded-ISO (BDSCDI)?
HAD
Read NTFS in 2.4 is great. Write is going to corrupt the partition. The problem is that NTFS is a closed format held by an illegal monopoly.
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Suse is great.
By 'great', do you mean a great number of subtle, dumb errors which you spend all of your free time and weekends, chasing?
Seems clear you haven't tried Suse9. It is a trainwreck. After losing approx 25% of my productivity over three years with Suse, I am now running Mandrake9.2, and every day am shocked and awed that everything works.
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I played with the "beta" version and had little if any luck. On my main work machine (PIII 800 VIA chipset) all I got was a black screen. I assume it was trying to drive my flat panel at a higher refresh than supported...I didn't notice any easy way to get around this.
On the second machine I tried it on it booted but didn't detect my USB memory stick. After that I pretty much gave up as the two main machines I had intended to use it on failed.
I have in the past used Knoppix with great success, as well as SuSE. Perhaps my problems were in some way related to the "beta" version or my own ignorance, either way not exactly what you call out of the box friendly.
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Off the 'K' menu, under KNOPPIX-Configure, there is a selection to "Create a persistent KNOPPIX Home Directory" - it is fully scripted and GUI-fied, and made specifically to put your persisten info on a USB memory device.
I just put in my compact flash card from my digital camera, in a USB flash-card reader, and it worked fine. It set the thing up without a hitch and it does everything that Mandrake claims (and probably more). The way it works (though you don't have to know this) is by emulating a Linux partition on your memory device by "loopback" mounting an ordinary file (i.e., knoppix.img). That way, you can leave your device formatted as VFAT (which is what most of them want to be), yet APPEAR to the running Linux system to have an ext2 partition. You don't have to rebuild the CD or do any of the low-level fiddling.
The only funky part is that you have to tell it to use your USB memory as the home directory when you boot up ( knoppix home=/dev/sda1/knoppix.img ). If you forget to do this it boots autmatically using the RAM disk instead of your USB drive. It would be nice, actually, to rebuild the CD to make the memory device image file the default home directory, though it would not make a great deal of difference.
I also tried the Mandrake CD but couldn't get this to work. I think they really just want your money.
Knoppix is much more solid, IMO, though it is nice to look at all of these live CDs for ideas as to how to set up your "normal" HD installation.
Anyway, setting this up on KNOPPIX turned out to be a piece of cake and I have yet to get this to work on Mandrake.
How about "let me try it with all goodies included and I'll decide if I want to pay for support, maintenance, training or other professional services "? Is that not how "commercial" distros keep the biz rollin'?
If I don't pay I don't get the source for the goodies now do I?
HAD
> No crashes, no dependancy problems, just the hassle of compiling everything
> before it'll work.
I've had some problems with it. Sometimes you can run into a situation where
a new version of some package conflicts with the old version in some way that
portage can't work out by itself, and so you have to manually unmerge the old
version first. (You don't find this out until your emerge fails, and then you
have to track down the issue.) Specifically, I ran into this problem twice
with certain important Perl modules. Since they're a dependency for virtually
everything, skipping over it is not an option.
I also had a really weird problem that may be fairly unusual, because I did
not find any useful information on the web about it and as yet have not
resolved it. I can't emerge coreutils, because during the compile it does
*something* it's not supposed to do and portage kills it off and issues a
sandbox error. This rather puts a damper on upgrading much of anything
else, let me tell you. I'm typing this right now on Mandrake (which is
installed on the other disk), because I don't want to deal with that issue
at the moment.
Oh, and this is possibly a coincidence, but I've had two hard drives die
while running Gentoo. I've run Mandrake for much longer (since 7.1) and
only had the same number of drives (2) go bad -- and they went much more
gradually, so that I was able to get my stuff off without much trouble.
Again, this is very likely a coincidence, but it makes it hard for me to
get as excited about Gentoo in practice as I'd like to be in theory.
Cut that out, or I will ship you to Norilsk in a box.
They're pretty darn expensive. ~$110 for 30GB.