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uninet writes "MandrakeSoft, the French GNU/Linux distributor who filed for bankruptcy protection one year ago last week, announced today that its first fiscal quarter of 2004 resulted in a positive operating result of 280,000. The company also announced Beta 1 of Mandrake Linux 10.0 today." Additionally, tkittel writes that "Mandrake has just announced on their club pages that they will release an updated version of their 9.2 ISO's (but just for club members). This is due to popular request after the numerous updates after the initial release." OSDN's own Robin Miller had a chance to talk with MandrakeSoft's CEO and learn more about the company's future plans.
GNAA Interviews CowboyNeal
by GNAA staff
UPDATE! UPDATE!
Since the original posting of this article there has been some doubts about authenticity of CowboyNeal. Rest assured, however, he was indeed the real CowboyNeal. We could tell by the smell coming from his pants.
On January 17 2004, select members of the GNAA interviewed CowboyNeal on IRC channel #caoine at irc.caoine.org.
We will be right back after this commercial break!
According to Google Zeitgeist, there are about 80% of Internet Explorer 6 users. The only platform supporting Internet Explorer 6 is, of course, Microsoft Windows. These statistics are consistent with the earlier presented graphs of the operating systems used to access Google, with the Windows family consistently taking the top 3 ranks. Out of remaining 20%, the split is even between MSIE 5.5, MSIE 5.0, both Windows-only browsers. Netscape 5.x (including Mozilla) counts for only a measly 5% of browsers used to access Google. As you can see from the graph, this sample was calculated starting from March 2001 until September 2003.
According to Google Zeitgeist, there are about 80% of Internet Explorer 6 users. The only platform supporting Internet Explorer 6 is, of course, Microsoft Windows. These statistics are consistent with the earlier presented graphs of the operating systems used to access Google, with the Windows family consistently taking the top 3 ranks. Out of remaining 20%, the split is even between MSIE 5.5, MSIE 5.0, both Windows-only browsers. Netscape 5.x (including Mozilla) counts for only a measly 5% of browsers used to access Google. As you can see from the graph, this sample was calculated starting from March 2001 until September 2003.
And now we return to our scheduled broadcast...
The following are select portions of the chat transcript kept by official GNAA stenographer (and Ringmusculaturis II Leader), Captain B. Dick
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GNAA Member AbdullaH introduces himself to CowboyNeal
[5:09:26] AbdullaH: Hello, Sir! My name is Abdullah Ihram Mohammad Bin Zular Krokar Tehroham Kumr, I am a TERRORIST. My father was on the first plane that crashed in the World Tarde Center. I get a boner every time CNN plays that tape. If you wish to help me in my quest for WORLD SLAVERY, please purchase a kalashnikov at your nearest kalashnikov store and HELP ME KILL ALL AMERICANS!
[5:09:29] CowboyNeal: if this is part of that jihad I keep hearing about, it's a pretty fucking lame part of it
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CowboyNeal is questioned about his feelings towards civil rights; uses both the N, and K-words
[5:21:11] timecop: CowboyNeal: do you have something against niggers?
[5:21:24] CowboyNeal: nay, some of best friends are nigs
[5:23:47] CowboyNeal: like all my kike friends too?
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GNAA Member timecop inquires about Slashdot moderation policies. CowboyNeal admits to cleaning peoples' shit up for a living.
[5:16:04] timecop: I have a problem with my slashdot account
[5:16:09] timecop: it has Karma: excellent
[5:16:10] timecop: but I post at -1
[5:16:12] timecop: WHAT THE FUCK?!
[5:16:19] CowboyNeal: yeah, sucks, don't it?
[5:16:26] CaptBDick: wow that can happen?
[5:16:41] timecop: CowboyNeal: mind to explain what the FUCK is going on?
[5:17:00] CowboyNeal: you got downmodded into oblivion at least once, and there's no second chances
[5:17:17] timecop: no, i got a better theory
[5:17:35] timecop: some nazis downmodded a bunch of my comments and set a flag to fuck all my posts
[5:17:41] timecop: because someone doesnt agree with my OPINIONS
[5:18:05] Cowb
fp for howard dean
big up the democrat massive
Ever notice the "beat the rush and see it early" link at the top of slashdot when a new story is about to come out?
Sounds good, doesn't it? To be able to view the pages linked to in the article before the tens of thousands of other slashbots click to view them.
Did it ever occur to you that you're taking part in cyber-terrorism?
That's right: Slashdot's editors are cyber-terrorists. They coordinate a DOS against small websites, and they attempt to collect moeny from people who wish to be spared the effects fo said DOS. Terrorism, plain and simple.
You can fight this and other crimes by slashdot's editors by joining anti-slash. Anti-slash is committed to forcing the editors to own up to their numerous crimes against the geek community. Until our demands are met, we will relentlessly discredit them as a news service through trolling and other means.
Also, props to poopbot and the alan thicke troll. We remember your accomplishments.
In sacred jihad,
jihadi_31337
Don't forget to pay your (tea bag, yadda, yadda) SCO license when you help them out of bankruptcy. 260,000 what, by the way? More info.
Dosent say dollars
...DUCKS ?
Am I to assume
This isn't meant as a flame, I wish Mandrake well.
But how much of their income last quarter was due to donations, and do they expect to be able to keep that up? I really don't know, and I'd like to hear from soemone in the know.
"Moderate drinking can help prevent amputated limbs" -- Abigail Zuger, NYTimes, 12/31/02
the Linux distributer.
There is no such thing as GNU/Linux.
It is nowhere on their website.
Boring version numbering. Apple decided to go X... what's up with that? There's Mac OS 9, then Mac OS X 10.0. Latest is Mac OS X 10.3 - using both X and 10 seems repetitive. RedHat went from 9 to changing their name to Fedora Core 1, effectively starting over. It seems to sound better with version numbers 10 (or 1-digit).
I think Mandrake is a good way to get a lot of people using Linux. It's polished GUI is good for proving what Linux can be when you don't need command line control. Glad to see they're still going.
What with RedHat Standard moving to Fedora and Mandrake looking shaky, things were looking bad. Fedora has turned out to be quite good and Madrake are surviving. Just SCO to go bankrupt and the world will be right again.
This seems like a sucky time to bring out 10.0.
Mandrake has generally placed more emphasis on KDE than other distros, so why would it bring out a distribution either before or only just after the release of KDE 3.2? It would make more sense to wait a month and pick up some bugfixes.
Kernel 2.6 has only just come out, also. Again, in a month or so we should have quite a bit more stability in that department. I don't know whether or not Mandrake are planning for 10.0 to be 2.6-based but it would seem appropriate for a new major version.
I realise that there's no "perfect time" to release a distribution and that it has to ship at some time, but given that 9.2 wasn't exactly the most rock-solid distribution around it would (in my view) make a lot more sense to issue their 9.2+bugfixes release as 9.3, or 9-stable or something, and wait for the new kernel and the new KDE to settle down enough that they can form the basis of a modern distribution worthy of a major version increment.
But that way, of course, they wouldn't be able to sell yet another copy of all those ISOs.
"'I pass the test,' she said. 'I will diminish, and go into the West, and remain Galadriel.'"
- JRR Tolkien.
who registered this domain. Those mandrake people are sure go to go after them ala microsoft.
Will they rush it on 10.0 to be the first major 2.6 kernel based distro? If they do it could really hurt them if problems arrise with the release.
Sincerely,
-- Mahn Draiche
I ordered Mandrake 9.2 when it came out and cancelled the order 2 weeks later when they didn't deliver it. After 2 months of numerous emails back and forth of emails of "Refund process can take up to ten business days. We have recontacted our financial department about your order." I still have not received a refund.
I thought that was what Lindows was for.
-Looking for a job as a materials chemist or multivariat
My favorite distro yet has probably been Mandrake 9.1. It was the easiest to compile DVD playing for, ran my Windows games well with WineX, and didn't jack around with my sound like most other distros (I have some rare BA speakers notorious for Linux incompatibilities. Only Drake9.1/SUSE/Lycoris seem to recognize them). At the moment I'm running the barely tolerable Win98 because frankly, that's the only way I can play Homeworld or Halo. ;)
They also ship a single button mouse with a computer running a *nix operating system.
It's good to hear Mandrake is doing well, it's been my preffered distribution since version 7.0 or so. A lot of people are still under the impression that Mandrake is just a Red Hat clone with KDE as the default WM but the distribution has come a long way since then. It has a nice installer and a lot of nice tools, good hardware detection and unlike most desktop oriented distro's, it isn't crippled in any way.
... 280,000 Euro, which is around $358,000.
Additionally, there are two important facts in their financial results: 1) revenue has increased of +8.4% compared to the same quarter for year 2002/03 2) the gross margin increased of +28.9% during the same time. More importantly: their gross margin has reached 82% of revenue. This is excellent and shows that their business model has improved much and potentially makes MandrakeSoft a very profitable company.
Nice shot for a pure Open Source company.
...is all I gotta say.
Doesn't Lindows cost money?
The survival of Linux Mandrake is due to the efforts of the mandrake club subscribers. I suggest every user subscribe to the club. Those who don't are cheap bastards who have no honor or respect for hard work.
People don't exist to serve systems, systems exist to serve people.
I think its great that they're making money. Hopefully, its not just from donations. If they are making a profit, I'll be happy to know they are solidly (hopefully) in business. I just love there distro(mainly the installer) As far as 10.0 goes, I'll try it out. I must agree, this seems a bad time though with the 2.6 kernel just and and a new KDE out too, I bet it will be buggy. I mean really, Mandrake was starting to loose its buggy stereotype. Putting in new software (which probably has more bugs), seems the perfect way to get the reputation back again... Good luck to them and I hope they succeed anyway.
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http://www.frozenchickenthrowing.tk
http://www.killercamel.tk
Things are really boding well for the linux desktop. I believe one main obstacle is for people to just know about what all can be done with a standard linux distro since there are so many nifty applications (my experience was with KDE and all little utils such as kdirstat).
Here is one example related to the need for evangelism: I have used latex very much, but only now, after killing some time on the net looking at related stuff, did I find information about "texdoc", a sort of a "browser for tex/latex". When I tried to look at texdoc, I found the shell showing texdoc and texdoctk, texdoctk has a GUI and a sort of a comprehensive reference. If it took me so much time to come across such a useful tidbit, imagine how much time it would take for someone that does not even have much interest in exploring. He/she would be stuck with cryptic menus
BTW, Mandrake's 10.0 beta looks impressive (KDE 3.2Pre Linux 2.6.1 (+2.4.25)), and the bittorrent link is at here
S
Negro Call Higher Priority Than Car Alarms
...!
By Ben Dover (c) 2004
Williamsburg, Lousiana
______________________
The conversation goes like this:
- Hello, 911, how can I help you?
-Yes, someone is trying to break into my home and kill my children!
-'Kay, ma'am, stay calm. Are you a negro?
-Huh?
-Are you a negro?
-Uh, yeah.
-'Kay. Bye.
-But
- [click]
This is the usual greeting for negroes in Williamsburg, Lousiana when calling emergency services. But no more.
Starting this week, 911 operators in Williamsburg will be forced by law to give higher priority to negro callers than police dispatches to a car alarm.
"This is outrageous", says Billy Joe Bob, a 911 operator since 1984. "This [expletive] Democrat governement is killing us.", he declared. "What next, dipatching actual police officers to a negro neighborhood?"
The new law, RL-215, was put into effect last week.Known supporters of this new law are known preacher/actor Al Sharpton an circus freak Michael Jackson.
When contacted by phone, Al Sharpton declared that he did not "wanna come round Alabama[sic], cuz last time them people received me with stones and shit. You people is crazy!". Michael Jackson could not be contacted. An answering machine at Michael Jackson residence/hole-in-the-ground greeted our reporters with monkey shrieks.
The police chief of Williamsburg didn't answer our queries over the phone when contacted. Instead, he drove to our building asking for the reporter that called him a while ago. Visibly angry, he proceeded to punch one of our reporters in the eye.
While leaving, he declared " Bulls---. This is all a piece of sh--. Fu----- negroes!.
Copyright Redneck Today (c) , 2004.
French bastards! Im siging up for the marines on Saturday. When we are done with Iraq we are gonna plop a few on France before we move on to N. Korea. It's a little out of our way but its def worth it. So be warned USA is coming for you!
if you guys read the second link to newsforge you would see there is a community and official version. My guess is that the community version is going to be for bleeding edge while in 3 months the official one is more stable, but then again thats my guess. My hopes is that both versions are free. Also Mandrake is not like lindows. Mandrake can be used both for command line and non commandline things. Makes a good replacement to Red Hat 9 in my opinion
I'll debate that Lindows hasn't really succeeded in that regard. Mandrake, I think, is more complete. I tried a download version of Lindows and was quite disappointed. I don't recall configuration being any easier than any other distro I've tried.
Mandrake, on the other hand, has a friendly-looking, consistent, and easy-to-use configuration toolset. Given the GUI tools in Mandrake, you could forget the CLI forever, probably. Drake has been around longer to hone that, and I'd wager Lindows has a long way yet to go. If I were going to show someone "Linux" I would probably do it with Mandrake. Lindows or Lycoris would look like cheap Windows knockoffs to the uninitiated.
Get in from here.
There's more information on the beta in the Mandrake Linux Wiki
SUSE and Mandrake are fighting for the same market. If it comes down to the survival of one I don't see that Mandrake's resources can match those of SUSE.
"Academicians are more likely to share each other's toothbrush than each other's nomenclature."
Cohen
Are they puting back the Kernel source? It wasn't on the ISOs I downloaded for 9.2
I had to go back for that RPM when I needed to use it (and thus discoverd it's absence).
Sure the 3 ISOs were a virtualy maximum size anyway but you can prioritise. I.e. Mandrak's target audience (Desktop users) are more likely to need the Kernel Source (WinModem setup forinstance) than Emacs.
PS: Good of them to put the end user text editors in the instalation. Joe, and Jed come to mind.
--= Isn't it surprising how badly I spell ?
Can someone let me know.
I thought that was what Lindows was for.
You have the cli if you want it, you just don't need it, and it's a very welcome change when setting up complex systems (like application servers with vpns over the web etc...). You gain days on the installation.
Ask 8 slackers a question, get 10 awnsers (a citation, but I can't remember from who)
As far as Live CDs go, Knoppix is still superior for the development tools, and setting up persistant storage that plays well with FAT32. But this last release is starting to close that gap. And it looks stunning.
I use Mandrake 9.2, but PCLOS is so much better... My wife likes to watch Starting Over, but she can't see any of the previews on the website because they are in Quicktime. Naturally, there's no QuickTime for Linux plugin available. With PCLOS, it just works.
I've managed to muck something up on my Mandrake desktop, because I have to wait an additional minute after the desktop is installed while it's doing something - I can't figure what, probably trying to get the soundcard to work - and reinstalling Mandrake hasn't taken care of it. CUPS doesn't want to talk to my laser printer, but it works just fine under lpr... It's a complete mess.
I'm not quite ready to dump Mandrake (PCLOS is still beta), but some of Texstar's RPMs will be installed on my machine Real Soon Now.
People donate to AOL all the time even though AIM is free, Winamp is free, Mozilla is free. Whats your point? Their model is based on subscription revenue not donations. I see nothing wrong with this model if they make money. If Howard Dean can make millions of dollars just by hosting a blog, I don't see why an important Linux company cant stay afloat in non profit fashion.
People don't exist to serve systems, systems exist to serve people.
With distro's like Xandros getting rave reviews and Lindows pushing further integration and Suse getting EAL3 certified things are now starting to get interesting.
I am a huge Mandrake fan, but they seem to be falling behind in total integration and after using them since 7.2 for the first time I've been considering making a switch.
Their basic distro has not been really evolving and although it started out more evolved then its counterparts, this is starting to change. Most of the updates since 7.2 have been general software updates and a few esthetic changes. Here's hoping being in the black helps boost R&D back to what made them an early leader in usability. Philosophically they are still at the top of my (commercial) list, but I am pragmatic.
Quack, quack.
I really like mandrake. I've tried most other distros, but used redhat for so long, it just kind of turned into mandrake, which seems to come with more apps useful to me, out of the box. I just dont have enough time to get the newest of everything I need off freshmeat everytime I upgrade. The only problem I ever seem to have is with the sound card and/or xmms. For instance, in 9.2, does anyone else have problems when playing an mp3, onyl to have it speed up very quickly for about 3 seconds about once or twice a minute? Its a new motherboard with onboard sound, and Im not sure what it is. I have a nice soundcard as well, but by default its using the onboard card and the motherboard manuel doesnt tell how to disable it. I tried 9.2 on another machine only to have the same results. Verbose hasn't given me anything, and none of the logs look out of the ordinary. 9.1 didnt seem to do this, but had other problems. Anyone else have this problem, or know how to disable the default soundcard? Any info would be appreciated.
You arent a mandrake club member. Thats why there is more bugs.
People don't exist to serve systems, systems exist to serve people.
$358K is impressive, but I prefer to conver it to the Belarius Ruble
There are three television appearances tonight (Thursday) that you won't want to miss:
1) Tonight, Howard Dean will appear at the Democratic candidates' debate in Manchester, New Hampshire. The debate will air live nationally on the Fox News Channel at 8 pm ET, with a one-hour summary on ABC News' Nightline at 11:35 pm ET. FOX News Radio and ABC News Radio networks will also carry the debate.
2) Governor Dean and his wife Judy sit down with Diane Sawyer tonight on Prime Time Thursday on ABC. The program airs at 10 pm ET.
3) Howard Dean will appear on Late Night with David Letterman on CBS tonight. Check local listings.
Be sure to tune in, and join other Dean supporters for a discussion of the broadcats on our campaign web log:
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Spread the word to everyone you know.
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free ipod and free gmail!
I said it before, and I say it again:
No way I'm going to enter bills for Mandrake Club Services from a French company into my books.
I do not want to explain to the accountant and the taxman that Mandrake Club is not a parisian brothel.
For gods sake, choose a professional, if boring, name.
Flourescent (adj): smelling like ground wheat.
Basically the whole Mandrake "business model" is to recompile Red Hat for Pentium 2s, and throw in a few more recent Gnome/KDS packages. How is that sustainable?
as clearly evidenced by the dollar exchange rates.
The biggest problem I currently have with Mandrake is that I don't dare install it. I have a laptop with an LG CDROM drive, hence one that is potentially susceptible to the drive-killing issue that emerged with Mandrake 9.2
Mandrake do have a list of tested drives on their site, but mine (CRN-8241B) isn't there, and the closest match, the CRD-8241B, is listed as "unknown status". It seems like a few drives have been tested, some passed, some failed, and then the whole issue quietly swept under the rug.
LG tech support in the UK were totally unhelpful, first giving me the standard crap about how their drives weren't "designed for Linux" and then, when I educated them about the problem being due not to any particular OS, but to the drives' firmware, they said they'd "get back to me". I'm still waiting. They released some patches on their website, but nothing for my drive.
Meanwhile, the kernel was supposed to be updated so that it didn't send out the potentially damaging flush commands. But did this happen? I didn't hear about it anywhere prominent. Certainly not on Mandrake's site. I don't even know if the delayed public release of the Mandrake 9.2 ISOs had this fix. If so, why bother with the list of drives - if the kernel's been amended, then the issue ceases to be for all LG drives, right?
So now I'm in the situation where I don't dare install Mandrake 9.2, or any subsequent version, or even any other recent variant of Linux, for fear that it will destroy my CDROM drive. New features are all very well, but I value my hardware.
If Mandrake wants me to not stick with 9.1 forever, then they need to display a prominent notice on their website stating that CDROM-killing problem has been fixed.
I just loaded the 2003-12-31 cooker on a new machine, and now 10.0 beta comes out :-) Does anybody know what the differences are? Should I let Bittorrent run for the next 126 hours to get a copy and install that instead? I haven't actually had time to see what was in cooker yet :-)
Bill Stewart
New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
I agree that things are heating up. Novell is in a very interesting position. Mandrake still has a couple of advantages, mainly they have probably got one of the most active (for a commercial distro) communities surrounding them. Package resources like THAC and PLF keep a steady stream of great easy to install (newbie friendly) software available (like the whole MythTV package WITH all dependencies). Their entire approach to business will keep some users very dedicated (all MandrakeSoft created software is released under the GPL).
That said, as I mentioned in an earlier post, they are slightly falling behind in total integration, but maybe now that they are in the black they can afford to be a little more aggressive in the R&D department.
Quack, quack.
I have to give Dean's campaign staff credit for knowing where Internet-word-of-mouth wildfires get started.
And for a cool yelp. Everyone else is trash talking him for it, but he was excited and let people know about it. Proof he's not a robot at least (the jury's still out on Gore).
Mandrake what?
exactly! so what if he gets excited about his convictions, he's passionate and has a pulse, I think that would be a refreshing change for this country vs what we've been living through with the ever smirking Bush.
CB
free ipod and free gmail!
From Mandrake's board.. .-)
Company: Bad news, good news...
Posted by Deno on Friday, January 24 @ 00:52:35 CET ( reads)
Things are changing very fast these days, some for the better, some for the worst. You already know the bad news: MandrakeSoft was forced to fill "cessation des paiements", which is a French equivalent of "chapter 11" protection. I am preparing an article with more details about this, but for now let me just tell you that this isn't necessarily such bad news as it sounds at first, and that it may end up being very good news for us in the long term. In short, "The news of our death has been greatly exaggerated".
More about this later.
Another unpleasant news is that I still have problems with answering the avalanche of mails that are arriving these days, but things are improving. Now to the good news.
1. MandrakeClub is on a way up (and how!), as some very important bricks are finally getting in their positions.
2. Mark has managed to clean up most of the mess on MandrakeStore. Some of the old orders may still be outstanding (please contact us again, and you'll get either your money back or your product immediately!), but everything else works way better than ever before, new orders are shipped correctly, emails are answered promptly, etc. In case of problems, please send me an email (oops, I said it again!) and the problem will be no-more.
"He's lost in a 'floyd hole"
I have been an avid Mandrake supporter for years, but the following quote from Roblimo's article has me concerned:
"The "community" version is expected to be the first major Linux distribution that includes the 2.6 kernel. Two or three months later, the "official" version will also incorporate the new kernel.
Bancilhon expects to see updated versions of the "community version" every six months, while the "official" version will be on an 18 month release cycle."
Basically, I take this to be that they will use the community version as a way to beta-test their real distribution. The paying customers get the good stuff, the rest of us deal with the bugs and have to be on a constant upgrade treadmill because security updates will no longer be provided after six months.
Very disturbing, IF this is indeed the case. If this is not the case, I apologize in advance for jumping to conclusions. It also makes you wonder as to whether Mandrake's repositories will now be fragmented between community and official, which will require much more man power to maintain and thus reducing the number of packages available.
Finally, six months is not nearly enough time for an operating system to stop being supported. This is just plain ridiculous and IT is exactly the same thing that Red Hat did with Fedora, which at the time I found appalling. Only difference is that Fedora actually has a fedora-legacy project in place that seeks to have longer-maintenance cycles.
What do you folks think? As much as I hate to say this, even 18 months is too short a time for an official distro, which is what you would use on a server.
Servers are only upgraded every 3 to 5 years. I am having a hard time understanding what it is that Mandrake is thinking. In fact, this is looking ever more so like forced upgrades to me.
While some of you may dismiss my comments, Mandrake has been my primary distro for over four years, so I say this with a lot of regret and I hope it spurs enough debate that Mandrake will have to respond to our concerns.
Pragmatism as an ideology is not particularly pragmatic in the long term. Keep it in mind when you dismiss Free Software
Mandrake and LG both worked toward fixing the problem. The info is on the Mandrake website in the errata section. http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/lgerrata.php3 Not only did Mandrake produce a fix, but LG released upgraded firmware for many drives and provided a procedure for resusitating the "dead" drives.
Loss of radio contact cannot be attributed to this by fluke accident as was the case back in 1997. Oh no, it's a bona fide "tiny computerised brain" screw-up. The latest in a long history of failures, the Linux operating system has flushed half of a US$820 million project out of the crapper hole on the side of the space shuttle. It seems that somebody came up with the bright idea of running the Mars rover on an Apple Macintosh "Supercomputer" controlled by Linux.
Oh, I suppose that that extra license fee for an actual quality operating system would have broken that $410M dollar budget. There's no way they could have afforded an embedded operating system that isn't cheap communist software. They could have gone with QNX RTOS, VxWorks or any number of other quality and time-tested real-time operating systems for the Mars rover, from a reputable company. But NOOOOO, they went with bullshit free-as-in-fix-everything-yourself Linux. Some long-haired balding fat Linux zealot, sucking up oodles of tax money with his blob-like presence in the NASA "engineering corps", with a certain penchant for cheap software, came up with the brilliant idea of running embedded Linux on an Apple Macintosh of all things. Of all the idiotic things that have happened under the current administration, this by far makes me most ashamed.
Read richard stallmans manifesto you dumb idiot stupid moron simpleton fool. Linux is free as in open source, free as in freedom. Its not free as in "FREE DEVELOPMENT". Development was never supposed to be free. The code is what is free.
According to Mandrake's website, LG released firmware updates to their drives back in November. So you should be safe if you download those.
I support the Center for Consumer Freedom
This makes me wonder whether it makes any sense for Joe Sixpack to use Linux. Kernel hackers yes, controlled corporate/school/other organisation desktops yes, but Joe Sixpack? Is is really feasable to expect home users to to have to install kernel hacking code etc to install basic support for their peripherals?
Engineering is the art of compromise.
I rather liked it myself. It still had a great deal of DOS inside it.
Stop the Slashdot effect! Don't read the articles!
I believe the "community" distro will be like debian "unstable" and the "official" will be like "stable". Also a new release does not mean that older distro's get support cut off necessarily.
This P.I.G. will walk on the water, This P.I.G. will walk on the sea, This P.I.G. will walk whereever he wants.
Mandrake is selling a bootable-CDROM based distro called Mandrake Move. Your ~/ is stored on a USB Flash drive -- so, you boot the CD w/ the Flash installed and whatever PC your on is your own.... the way you 'left-it'.
Very cool idea. Now, if they could get the whole distro onto one of those card-sized cdroms we'd be set.
I should note that I use SUSE Professional as my main desktop/laptop.
..I came across this site: mandrakeworks.com What do you guys think this is? It doesn't even look like mandrake owns it, a rebranding of mandrake?
If you read the fine article or the quote I provide, they do say that from now on, the official distro will be supported for only eighteen months.
Pragmatism as an ideology is not particularly pragmatic in the long term. Keep it in mind when you dismiss Free Software
QuickTime actually works pretty fine in a Linux browser, given the right tool. In this case, Kaffeine. Small Xine-based video player, fast and lightweight, simple interface but LOADS of features (DVD playback, with menus of course, post-processing video filters, stream saving...). It managed to impress me, and that's no small feat. It integrates completely seamlessly in Konqueror, so you can watch those embedded QuickTimes without a problem. It also ships with a plug-in for Netscape-related browsers, although I've not tested it personally -- please feel free to provide feedback if you do.
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Roses are red, violets are blue, most poems rhyme, but this one doesn't...
using 9.1. waiting for final release with 2.6 kernel...
Uh... how is that post relevant to today? It's from a year ago, in case you hadn't noticed.
. . .Lycoris would look like cheap Windows knockoffs to the uninitiated.
Yes, that's true of course, but it's a cheap Windows knockoff you can buy at Wal-Mart, so it picks up that imprimatur to make up for it.
KFG
I'm a perennial SuSE user. I originally chose SuSE for its use of the KDE desktop, because it was similar to all the CDE UNIX boxen where I worked. However, if Novell starts to muck about with SuSE then I will beat a hasty path to Mandrake's door instead. And all Mandrake has to do to have me as a customer is to just keep up their support for KDE while SuSE goes the way of the Gnome.
It's not that I don't like Gnome, I just want to stay with KDE.
The article says that a big difference between the "community" release and Fedora is that whilst Fedora is entirely separate from Red Hat, Red Hat makes no promises etc., the Mandrake "community" release will still be done under the Mandrake banner, by Mandrake employees and the article says *supported* by Mandrake employees as part of their jobs. I presume that support will be the same as what the current download version gets. I get the impression that the community release is just a new name for the current download version. It is still an 'official' Mandrake product (unlike Fedora). Mandrake releases every 6 months now anyway.
". The "community" version of Mandrake will still be produced by company developers and supported by MandrakeSoft employees as part of their job, unlike the Fedora project which is produced outside of Red Hat's formal development structure and supported by volunteers."
It seems more like they are adding a new product called the "official" version which will have a longer release cycle.
An essential difference between Mandrake and Redhat is that whilst Redhat is abandoning the (home) desktop (which is part of the reason for the move to spin off the free version as an unsupported volunteer product), the home desktop is probably one of Mandrake's biggest areas.
This is excellent and shows that their business model has improved much and potentially makes MandrakeSoft a very profitable company.
Oh yeah, and it also helps that they've basically filed for bankrupcy so they don't have to pay their debtors.
The actual text says:
"Bancilhon expects to see updated versions of the "community version" every six months, while the "official" version will be on an 18 month release cycle."
Release cycle is not the same as how long the support period for patches etc. will be. I mean look at Windows - it is on a release cycle of every 2-3 years and yet its update cycle is something around 5 years I think (and even longer if you kick up a big enough stink).
Definitely...when I put Linux on some curious friend's spare machine for them, it's always Mandrake. It is easy to configure most things, but it is still a very standard GNU/Linux stack.
I'm hopefull, though, that with this new catalyst build process, Gentoo 2004 (stage3/grp style of course) might be able to overtake it. I run Gentoo/Mandrake/FreeBSD mostly, but Gentoo is by far the most fun. And it's certainly safe from the "windows knockoff" stigma you mention.
That's not to say anything against Mandrake, of course...it's just that Gentoo is so much closer to the source, to the part that separates us from them.
Not to put it in such polar terms...
Given a choice between free speech and free beer, most people will take the beer.
I'd mod you "+6 Informative" if I could.
Simple, its the best SRPM eater and fastest RPM producer around. Just look e.g. on www.rpmfind.net and search for that favorate package. Mandrake and/or Mandrake Cooker editions always show up.
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They have a development engine which rockz
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gcc version 3.3.1 (Mandrake Linux 9.2 3.3.1-2mdk)
Basicly IMHO Mandrake 9.2 is just latest redhat _without_ corporate intervenance...
I tried Mandrake 9.2RC1 AMD64 on a ASUS K8V board with that AMD Athlon AMD64 3200+ CPU , which is running 2200MHz/1024kb cache. And also their x86_64 development platform rockz. All i386 based SRPMS it just compiled with warp-12 speed into *.x86_64.rpm's.
read e.g.
http://www.mandrakeclub.com/modules.php?op=modl
Robert
You need to have a Windows license for every computer.
You can install Mandrake Linux on as many computers you need without being a MandrakeClub member. Only one membership is needed if you feel like joining.
Now with 20% less r00t vulnerabilities!
Manipulate the moderator system! Mod someone as "overrated" today.
tehanu is correct; "support period" != "release schedule"
In fact, there was a slashdot story about a month ago detailing Mandrakesoft's support policy, which is lots longer than the release schedule.
Given a choice between free speech and free beer, most people will take the beer.
I have ordered the 9.0 DVD-only and 9.1 and 9.2 DVD+CDs-only packs from the store, and all 3 orders arrived within the quoted shipping time (which at 10 days is faster than Amazon for the same shipping cost), and this to South Africa ...
$5 / month hosted VPS on linux = awesome!
Speak from your mouth and not from Uranus. Your first link shows only that they're not getting science data back from the rover due to an unknown glitch, even though it's still responding. Never mind the fact that the rover is in fact running VxWorks, which you apparently didn't bother to research. Have a look. It is running your prized "quality, time-tested RTOS" after all. It's simply in a failure state.
As for the second link, they're using Linux with NVidia drivers for the visualization of the data. That happens on Earth, a planet you may not be familiar with. As for the rest of your supposed point, it's being run on a PowerPC embedded system, which is radiation hardened and quite a bit different from your average Mac. PowerPC chips are commonly used in embedded systems, due to their reasonable power requirements, price, standardization and reliability.
I can hardly believe that I'm dignifying this rubbish with a response, but I'd hate to see people fall for your drivel... Go home, troll.
What a coincidence. I have just gone through a major problem on my Linux box after uninstalling and (key word) *attempting* to reinstall Mandrake. This was prompted by an upgrade release and problems with 9.1.
I thought Mandrake was supposed to be easy to install. At first, my install was running SLOWLY (think molasses-coated slug here), and only after going online to look for an answer did I discover that the "kernel was trying to 'talk' to" my joystick and that was slowing it down. Well, thanks for telling me that before.
After the formatting and subsequent REINSTALL of Mandrake, the system informed me that the install was "successful." I rebooted, and lo and behold:
BIOS data check successful.
Uncompressing Linux.... Ok, booting the kernel.
Complete freeze. Nothing.
No wonder these people are going bankrupt.
Used to be that you could find it everywhere...even Walmart...and I'd buy a new boxed set every time a version upgrade came out. Now it seems to be only available on the net and they seem to want people to give up their email addresses and credit card numbers for the privilage of staying up to date.
A lot of things cost money.
No, that's my point - there isn't a full fix on the Mandrake site. What there is, is a small list of tested drives, but by no means all LG drives. (And even some of those present are listed as "unknown status".)
Equally, LG released upgraded firmware for some, but not all drives.
And the procedure for resurrecting dead drives is only applicable to desktop drives - it relies on fiddling with jumpers, something that's not practical (or even possible?) with a notebook.
In short, if your drive isn't on the very small list that has been both tested and either approved, or had a patch released for it, then the issue isn't fixed at all.
By indirectly charging for the right to have access to source code - available to some with $$$ but not to me without??? Can someone fill me in on the nuances that permit this if it is not noncompliant?
If it were done when 'tis done, then t'were well it were done quickly... MacBeth
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I had a very prompt delivery, but it was strange. I got the 9.2 DVD like TWO DAYS after submitting the order, although I didn't specify any fast delivery. The package had been sent from some wacky-named small company a few miles away from me. When I first saw the parcel I was sure it was some goofy sales pitch from new-age transendantal hippy organization. (I forgot the company's name on the return address, but it was really spacey.)
A week after I got my package the Mandrake ordering system notified me that the package had "just been shipped". Obviously they have some interesting way of outsourcing their delivery process. I just happened to be a "lucky one" I guess.
Sidenote: DAMN but it's nice to get a distro on a DVD! With the most recent versions of RedHat I was swapping CD's constantly for installs. It reminded me of the last days of floppy installations. Anyone remember circa 1995 getting softward that came on 10+ floppy disks?
Last miscellaneous comment: I love my Mandrake! It fascinates me that there are comments about 9.2 being buggy. I moved after the RedHat decision and my 9.2 installation on two computers has been the most stable and pain free of the last many many years. I guess you can never know when you are going to get hit with an installation bug.
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Thank god for Mandrake.
Campaign finance reform is national security.
France: 'Allo! 'Oo is it?
...if you do not agree to my commands, than I shall--
Darl: It is I, CEO Darl, and these are my knights of the Board of Directors. Whose castle is this?
France: This is the castle of my master, Guy de Mandrake.
Darl: Go and tell your master that we have been charged by God with a sacred quest. If he will give us money for infringing code, he can join us in our quest for the Holy Linux License.
France: Well, I'll ask 'im, but I don't think 'e'll be very keen-- 'e's already got one, you see?
Darl: What?
Sontag: He says they've already *got* one!
Darl: (confused) Are you *sure* he's got one?
France: Oh yes, it's ver' naahs. (to the other soldierFrance:) I told 'em we've already *got* one!
(they snicker)
Darl: (taken a bit off balance) Well... ah, um... Can we come up and have a look?
France: Of course not! You are Lindon types.
Darl: Well, what are you then?
France: (Indignant) Ah'm French! Why do you think I have this out-rrrageous accent, you silly CEO?!
Kevin: What are you doing using Linux?
France: Mind your own business!
Darl: If you will not show us the Infringing Code, we shall take your castle by force!
France: You don't frighten us, Lindon pig-dogs! Go and boil your bottoms, son of a silly person! Ah blow my nose at you, so-called "Darl Keeeng"! You and all your silly Lindon Knnnnnnnn-ighuts!!!
(the soldier proceeds to bang on his helmet with his hands and stick out his tongue at the knights, maCEO strange noises.)
Kevin: What a strange person.
Darl: (getting mad) Now look here, my good ma--
France: Ah don' wanna talk to you no more, you empty-headed animal food-trough wiper! Ah fart in your general direction! Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries!
Kevin: Is there someone else up there we can talk to?
France: No!! Now go away, or I shall taunt you a second time!
(pause)
Darl: Now this is your last chance! I've been more than reasonable....
France: (to four other soldiers, standing behind him on the rampart) Fetchez la vache.
Other Soldier: qua?
France: Fetchez la vache!
(the other soldiers are seen leading a cow... mooing noises)
Darl: (continued)
(Boing! The cow goes flying through the air over the rampart...
Darl: Jesus Christ!
No. LG fixed the problem. Because it was their fault.
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