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NYC Crosswalk Buttons are Inoperative

cdneng2 writes "NY Times has an article that New York crosswalk push buttons are actually ineffective. Apparently, New York City deactivated most of the pedestrian buttons long ago with the emergence of computer-controlled traffic signals. From the article, 'More than 2,500 of the 3,250 walk buttons that still exist function essentially as mechanical placebos, city figures show.' Well, apparently New York city isn't the only city like this. I guess the answer lies in the same reason why people press the elevator button more than once."

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  1. Umm... by Luigi30 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Isn't that a little obvious? I mean, do ANY of those buttons work anymore?

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    1. Re:Umm... by ScottGant · · Score: 4, Funny

      I don't believe that any of those buttons work.

      I also belive that at the gas station, Regular, Plus and Premium Unleaded all go to the same tank underground.

      Coke and Pepsi are all made at the same factory, with a little more sugar going into Pepsi.

      I also think my dog is trying to control my brain, the way he looks at me I can just tell he wishes to destroy me...

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    2. Re:Umm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      > I also think my dog is trying to control my
      > brain, the way he looks at me I can just tell he
      > wishes to destroy me...

      You're a cat, aren't you? Only a cat could be so paranoid and not be the head of Microsoft.

    3. Re:Umm... by notque · · Score: 4, Funny

      Isn't that a little obvious? I mean, do ANY of those buttons work anymore?

      Of course they work, just press it a few more times....

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  2. Just like my gf by Shard013 · · Score: 5, Funny

    The buttons don't work

    1. Re:Just like my gf by Patrik_AKA_RedX · · Score: 4, Funny

      Have you tried plugging her in first?

      If that doesn't work, RTFM. You did get a manual, right?

    2. Re:Just like my gf by xkenny13 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sure they do, you just need to use the ol' "three finger salute" ... know what I mean?

    3. Re:Just like my gf by notque · · Score: 5, Funny

      Are you sure it isn't user error?

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    4. Re:Just like my gf by nEoN+nOoDlE · · Score: 1, Funny

      Just like my gf, The buttons don't work

      Have you made sure the power cord is plugged in?

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    5. Re:Just like my gf by Mad_Rain · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's strange, my GeForce doesn't have any buttons on it...

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    6. Re:Just like my gf by wankledot · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, I'm absolutely sure he doesn't know.

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  3. They're not doing it right! by General+Sherman · · Score: 5, Funny

    Everybody knows the more times you push it, the faster it goes. Geez.

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    1. Re:They're not doing it right! by ReidMaynard · · Score: 4, Funny

      I had worker-bee programmer friend (geez, way back in 1986) who had the deadly combination Karate-hard fingers and a real hatred of comuter keyboards. Sixty days was about the longest they lasted with him; I remember more than once seeing a key launch across the office out of the corner of my eye.

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    2. Re:They're not doing it right! by bmsleight · · Score: 2, Funny

      I am Traffic Signal Engineer in the UK. I know that pressing the button, more than once has no effect on the latched input to the traffic Signal Controller. All the Traffic Signal Engineers I know, including myself, still press the push button two or three times - Human nature.

  4. Heh. by Denyer · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's like Ctrl-Alt-Delete for the general public! ;)

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  5. What a suprise by Piethon · · Score: 5, Funny

    This has to be a lie, the government would never waste our money and mislead us!

  6. Televatorkinesis by Penguinshit · · Score: 4, Funny


    ...is the belief that pressing the call button multiple times makes the elevator move faster.

    I know it, and I still do it sometimes. Perhaps it's because I just like pushing buttons... like this button right he NO CARRIER

  7. why did the chicken cross the road? by stroustrup · · Score: 5, Funny

    The answer is here finally!! Because the button doesn't work

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  8. In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The Slashdot "Submit Story" button is also just a placebo. "We just post what we want, and we put some user's name on them, " says Malda.

    1. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Damn right. The number of stories attributed to Anonymous Coward is far greater than the number I've actually submitted.

      I think they do the same thing with comments too.

  9. Facade by stateofmind · · Score: 3, Funny

    My entire life has been a lie!

  10. Re:Most Dangerous Intersections by gnu-generation-one · · Score: 5, Funny

    In England, we have these gutless pedestrian crossings which are too scared to stop traffic if they detect cars approaching, so they wait until there's no traffic around and only then activate the pedestrian sequence.

    Well gee thanks, I could've figured out myself that I can get across when there's no cars around...

    Even better are the ones with a sensor to see if a pedestrian is waiting. So not only do they pander to any approaching car, but they require the pedestrian to be standing in a particular place otherwise they don't operate at all. Very useful.

    So if anyone is reading this story and doesn't have a clue what it means because traffic-light stuff is all greek to you... Bedford city council has jobs waiting for you. Join the ranks of the clueless.

  11. Magic by proverbialcow · · Score: 5, Funny

    Funny, then, that I was just reading this article on a placebo switch that inexplicably worked!

    http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/magic-story.html

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  12. Hmm... a better "Sex and the City" ending by mao+che+minh · · Score: 5, Funny
    Carrie, glancing back over her shoulder at Mr. Big, smiling to herself in complete satisfaction, presses the button and strides out into the busy NY street.

    Carrie: "Life... I started thinking about Paris, and how love AAHGHHHRGHH!!!"

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    Yes, my girl friend made me watch that damn show for an entire year. The demise of that vile, high-priced sitcom has filled me with a joy not felt since childhood.

    1. Re:Hmm... a better "Sex and the City" ending by noewun · · Score: 4, Funny
      About five years ago I almost ran over Sarah Jessica Parker at Fifth Avenue and 23rd Street. I was coming down Fifth on my bike, moving quickly, taking the right onto 23rd. I looked around the turn and saw it was clear. I checked my left, which was clear, and then look right again to see a mass of blonde curls and boobs running in front me of. She realized I was there - I guess she hadn't checked before she crossed - and sped up. I leaned right and missed her by an inch or two.

      I consider it one of the greatest missed opportunities of my life.

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    2. Re:Hmm... a better "Sex and the City" ending by dandelion_wine · · Score: 2, Funny

      I consider it one of the greatest missed opportunities of my life.

      Ok, that's understandable, but still no reason to haul the wife and kids out every evening in the Caravan looking for her.

    3. Re:Hmm... a better "Sex and the City" ending by shadowbearer · · Score: 2, Funny



      The opportunity to get sued by someone who could probably buy your entire life out of her lawyer's pocket change?

      Or the opportunity to check her for broken bones after the impact?

      ^_^

      SB

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  13. Re:Just like the Tube by Jon+Chatow · · Score: 4, Funny

    No, they do have a point - the clueless push them, and those of us who have worked this out can share a knowing smirk. Highlights the day's commute, for me... ;-)

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  14. Re:Most Dangerous Intersections by wizbit · · Score: 5, Funny

    sorry, did I just see the words "New York City" and "professional drivers" in the same sentence?

  15. Ha! Proven correct after all these years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I was once in a rather rocky relationship with a girl which ended when I told her not to bother pressing the button.

    "It doesn't do anything, these juntions are automated."

    "That is exactly the kind of cynical attitude I'm absolutely fed up with. You have no faith in anything."

    She stomped off across the road like an enraged frogger, dodging the still flowing traffic.

    1. Re:Ha! Proven correct after all these years by Phroggy · · Score: 2, Funny

      She stomped off across the road like an enraged frogger, dodging the still flowing traffic.

      That's the nerdiest simile I've seen in awhile. ;-)

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  16. A Story by Crusty+Oldman · · Score: 5, Funny

    A guy I know was in charge of a medium-sized office. He was forever plagued by the women asking him to turn the thermostat up during the winter (the guys saying "turn it down, we're dying in here"). When the office was remodeled, he had a new thermostat installed in a closet, and had the old one unconnected. He put the biggest complainer "in charge" of that thermostat, and never had a problem since. True story.

  17. I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR YEARS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Finally the truth is out there. Now on to the big one... Area 51. Thanks folks.

  18. I love old time mechanical crosswalk setups by MajorDick · · Score: 4, Funny

    There was in town, until just a few years ago a fairly busy intersection that had a crosswalk and a very old button setup, it would when pressed within 5 or so seconds change the light, and would continue to as long as it was pressed, when we were kid we used to hold traffic up just for the fun of it, but at other times, you could time cars, press the button and watch them schreech to a halt.

  19. We knew it all along ... by gordguide · · Score: 2, Funny

    That either traffic engineers are mismanaging traffic, or city councils can be talked into anything, or reporters are morons.

    From the San Mateo article linked in the story:
    " ... "The city should also consider looking in audio crossing signals for the hearing impaired ..." Victor said. ..."

    What's next? Traffic lights for the blind?

  20. Re:Just like elevators... by michaelhood · · Score: 2, Funny

    I digress. The close door button always works for me to prevent the fat woman in accounting from getting on the elevator with me.

  21. Sounds familiar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Kind of like the United States voting system. Hell the entire interface between the people and the government. Corporations are the only entities that have access to the real buttons.

  22. or... by uptownguy · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's like Ctrl-Alt-Delete for the general public! ;)

    ...or voting...?

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  23. Re:Just like the Tube by AndroidCat · · Score: 2, Funny

    That's why they also have those signs. "Mind: The Gap".

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  24. Re:Like Boston? by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 4, Funny

    Well, the common practice in Boston is for people to cross when they feel like it and to drive when they feel like it.

    So basically, unless traffic stops for some reason, people will cross at a break in traffic or when there are enough people to significantly outnumber the cars, forcing them to slow down. Likewise, cars will begin to go once most people have crossed.

    It's not so much a matter of regulation as it is that the drivers in Boston are really very good, and are willing to drive to the limits of their abilities.

    Scares the shit out everyone else though.

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  25. Did you know it's an offence in the UK? by Moderation+abuser · · Score: 3, Funny

    To press the pedestrian buttons as you walk past...







    ... I can't help it!




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  26. Re:Most Dangerous Intersections by The+Tyro · · Score: 3, Funny

    sorry, did I just see the words "New York City" and "professional drivers" in the same sentence?

    Yeah... I think I also saw "cabs" in that same sentence, along with "not as many accidents are going to happen"...

    I'm sorry... I don't know what to say...

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  27. make them do something by t_allardyce · · Score: 4, Funny

    So let me get this straight, there is a collection of buttons around New York city that are not connected to anything, and are waiting for some enterprising geek to hack into something useful... What are we waiting for??

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  28. Re:Most Dangerous Intersections by darkmeridian · · Score: 4, Funny

    "cab drivers can occasionally be reckless due to long hours worked"?

    Are you from New York? Cab drivers in this city are *always* reckless and it *isn't* because of the long hours worked.

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  29. Vindication! by LiberalApplication · · Score: 2, Funny
    See now, there is an unnecessary association between rational thought/analysis and paranoia/cynicism. I've been telling my peers for years that there's no way that those silly little buttons could be functional in an urban (NYC, at that) setting, and that if anything, there have got to be more advanced systems manipulating those blinky lights.

    What did I get? Years of mockery and ridicule. Well HA! SEE? I'M NOT PARANOID!!! ALL OF YOU, YOU ALWAYS THOUGHT I WAS PARANOID BUT I'M NOT!!! YOU THINK I'M CRAZY DON'T YOU? ANSWER ME DAMM...

    ...but jokes aside, I just want to say, "I told you so"

  30. It figures by Kohath · · Score: 2, Funny

    The buttons on the deer xing signs in Wisconsin are like that too.

  31. And in Paris... by Kinniken · · Score: 4, Funny

    In England, we have these gutless pedestrian crossings which are too scared to stop traffic if they detect cars approaching, so they wait until there's no traffic around and only then activate the pedestrian sequence.

    Cowardly brits!
    In Paris, many pedestrians seems to think it's shameful to cross if there are not cars coming from both directions, the faster the better! :p

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    1. Re:And in Paris... by delphi125 · · Score: 5, Funny
      In Paris, many pedestrians seems to think it's shameful to cross if there are not cars coming from both directions

      So the Frogs play Frogger?

  32. Ellen Degeneres on elevators by Atario · · Score: 3, Funny
    "We always do this: we walk up to an elevator, someone's already there, they're waiting, they've pushed the button, the button is lit. We walk up and push the button, thinking, 'Obviously you didn't push it correctly. I'll have to push it myself. NOW the elevator will come.' Then someone else walks up and they push the button again. Suddenly you're offended. You want to say, 'You idiot, I pushed it, he pushed it.' Then to the original pusher, 'Can you believe people?'"
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  33. Re:Most Dangerous Intersections by l810c · · Score: 4, Funny
    My first semester at college I lived in a dorm right next to a busy/dangerous intersection.

    The dorm was shaped like a U that pointed at the intersection heightening the noise. Several times a day you would hear loud screeching as people locked up their brakes. Always just the screeching. About 3 weeks into the semester, there was another loud screech, this time followed by a loud CRASH. Simultaneously, 50 people stuck their heads out their windows and cheered. It was hilarious.

  34. Dumb chirping signals by rock_climbing_guy · · Score: 4, Funny
    I heard this funny story about those dumb chirping signals. Here it is:

    A friend from Vermont came to visit last week. When he heard the signal chirping, he asked me what it was for. I expained that the signal chirps so that blind people will know when the signal changes. He said, "Wow, that's awfully odd. In Vermont, we don't let blind people drive!"

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  35. Re:Most Dangerous Intersections by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Even better are the ones with a sensor to see if a pedestrian is waiting.

    Let me guess, those sensors are placed beside and slightly forward of water-filled potholes that are in the exact path of the passing cars' tires.

  36. Re:Most Dangerous Intersections by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 4, Funny

    New York City is the Capitol of professionals - from the lowest bum to the mayor's mom, everybody's working a scam as our lives depend on it. And our drivers are the best in the world: just get out of our way, tourist.

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  37. Re:Most Dangerous Intersections by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wow. Simply incredible. You sir are living a life full of adventure and memories. Be sure to tell the grandkids.

  38. Don't Panic buttons by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 4, Funny

    The truth can finally be told: those buttons aren't for speeding up a light change, they're for slowing down tourists. Otherwise, we'd need zambonies cruising the avenues, scraping midwestern roadkill out of the way of productive citizens. Everyone knows that in NYC you don't change things with a pushbutton - you argue at the top of your lungs, or throw money around to confuse the opposition. Now you know why your wallet is missing after a midtown sightseeing walk: the pickpockets get their cut while you gawk upwards at the skyscrapers, as you lean on the buttons waiting for the light to change. Think of it as a toll.

    If you can't jaywalk like an Olympian, stay out of the street. Take a nice cab, and remember to tip at least 20% for the man who's saving your life with every lane change. Now go home where it's safe.

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  39. Re:Most Dangerous Intersections by Troed · · Score: 2, Funny

    When the traffic lights turn green, the crosswalks get a walk sign.

    Sounds dangerous.

  40. someone who gets paid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    So that means George Bush is a Professional President?

  41. Re:Explanation by gnu-generation-one · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Seriously, these things ["look left" signs in London]are very useful when everyone is driving on the wrong side of the road."

    So why don't they have them in countries where people drive on the wrong side of the road?

  42. Tulsa Rocks by qwertyatwork · · Score: 2, Funny

    5. Tulsa, Okla. 51st Street and Memorial Drive 2000
    6. Tulsa, Okla. 71st Street and Memorial Drive 1995

    WOOHOO in your face NYC! Um, wait. I dont think this is something to brag about.

  43. Re:Most Dangerous Intersections by mattkime · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...and therefore my disappointment with hookers :(

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  44. Double-clicking elevator buttons by svindler · · Score: 2, Funny

    You mean I don't need to double-click the elevator button???

    I hate inconsistent user interfaces between different devices!

  45. Re:No... by cellocgw · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hmmm... and here I thought an amateur was someone who used her own home video camera in her bedroom instead of a corporate filming studio. :-)

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  46. temper temper by The+Tyro · · Score: 1, Funny

    You're a dipshit

    Stop it before I burst into tears.

    Ironically, if you weren't in such a hurry to post that snarky reply, you might have noticed the entire definition that I posted... It's the identical link you are referencing.

    Go home kid... come back when you can argue without sounding like a preschooler.

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  47. Re:Most Dangerous Intersections by shadowbearer · · Score: 5, Funny

    Heh.
    Where I lived, deer were far more common. But there were moose, too, and they were, if anything, dumber than the deer...at least the deer would usually run when you laid on the horn, but the moose would just stand there and look at you Make my day, puny tractor-trailer *ssscccrreeeeeeccchh* and you can see the look in the Moose's eyes Heheheheheh. Top of the food chain, sssnnnoooorrt

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  48. No actually by rune2 · · Score: 2, Funny

    The URL in the story is the placebo since no one actually RTFAs anyway...

  49. Re:Most Dangerous Intersections by devilspgd · · Score: 2, Funny

    The same is true in Canada and (as I understand it) the US.

    Go ahead and try it in NYC though, you'll only do it once, from then on whoever pushes your wheelchair for you will wait until the light changes.

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  50. Re:Explanation by gnu-generation-one · · Score: 2, Funny

    "If you think that the American government cares about the safety of foreign nationals, then you clearly haven't been paying attention to the news lately."

    I'm not planning to visit America. To be honest, I'd feel safer in North Korea.

  51. Some intersections don't have those buttons... by WebMasterJoe · · Score: 3, Funny

    On Queens Boulevard there are some better signs.

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  52. Re:Most Dangerous Intersections by AKnightCowboy · · Score: 2, Funny
    They're also at OSU...but that's reasonable.

    Cleveland State has these as well, except they're not marked. Basically when you don't see a car coming, you start walking across the street anywhere you want whether the light is green or red. At least, 90% of the students seem to think that's the proper way to cross the street.

  53. Inspired traffic design from San Bruno... by Croaker · · Score: 2, Funny

    From the "other" article about San Bruno mentioned in the posting:

    The city should also consider looking in audio crossing signals for the hearing impaired and signs that count down the number of seconds left to cross, Victor said.

    Ah, so in addition to buttons that don't work, we'll give the deaf audio signals they can't hear. Brilliant.

  54. Re:Most Dangerous Intersections by tuxedobob · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm not sure I want to know how you went through two pairs of underwear in one car ride...