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Pocket PCs Masquerade as iPods

agwadude writes "Wired News has a story about a British software firm called StarBrite that is selling a virtual iPod that runs on Microsoft's PocketPC operating system. It mimics the iPod interface exactly, including the unique scroll wheel. It's a mere $20 but this seems right considering it's only software, and it only supports MP3. MacDailyNews has a shorter story."

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  1. Missing something? by ArmenTanzarian · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is the software really the selling point of the iPod?

    1. Re:Missing something? by mobiux · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think the ease of use is a selling point of it.
      I can play mp3's on my ipaq now, but it's a pain in the ass to switch the songs.

      I do agree though, that the battery life, and capacity is the majority.

    2. Re:Missing something? by geoffspear · · Score: 5, Informative
      Besides which, it's not a copy of the iPod's software, it's a copy of the iPod's hardware interface in software. And apparently it's no longer an exact copy, according to comments on MacDailyNews (where it's also mentioned that the Serive Unavailable message was there yesterday, before the story hit slashdot). From the site updates that no one can see, it seems like they've talked to Apple and changed some things (like the name, from pPod to pBop.

      Anyway, I'm fairly certain Apple's relevant patents on the iPod are for the actual hardware design, and it'd be hard to sue for a software ripoff that doesn't even have all of the iPod's features (like non-MP3 sound file compatibility)

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    3. Re:Missing something? by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Funny
      The article said: ""To whip out an iPaq with iPod-like UI is like wearing a fake Fendi," "

      I thought...what the hell is a Fendi???

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    4. Re:Missing something? by Drakonian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think if the battery life and capacity where the only key factors, then iRiver players would be outselling iPods.

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  2. KAPUTT by locknloll · · Score: 4, Funny

    or as we say in German: slashdotted. Darn.

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  3. software... by Spytap · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Software doesn;t change the fact that storage is still a problem, especially since you need to use some of it to install this program. For the price of the software plus a memory card you can just buy a real MP3 player...

  4. Difference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's a mere $20 but this seems right considering it's only software, and it only supports MP3.

    Well, there's where the iPod emulation starts to fall apart. It should be $60+ if they want to emulate more of the experience. ;)

    1. Re:Difference by Stavr0 · · Score: 5, Funny

      In order to really emulate the experience, it comes with a bottle of epoxy to glue your PDA's battery in place so you can't ever replace it.

    2. Re:Difference by bennomatic · · Score: 5, Funny

      Apparently, they even had a feature that caused the virtual battery to fail after 18 months, but Apple Legal forced them to remove that... Something about a patented business model.

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  5. Too many levels of indirection... by D-Cypell · · Score: 5, Funny

    A piece of software mimicing an IPod running on a piece of software mimicing an operating system.

  6. Apple's legal team already knows ... by Greedo · · Score: 5, Informative

    MacCentral is reporting that "pBop's resemblance to the iPod was unmistakable, especially when the product first launched: It was originally called pPod, and featured an interface that was practically identical to third-generation iPods."

    it was so similar, in fact, that Apple asked them to make some changes, including the name.

    Starbrite has "cooperated fully to address Apple's concerns" but, if you ask me, it is still pretty much a rip off of the iPod interface (GUI and physical). Isn't this kind of thing legally protectable?

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  7. Old News by gh0ul · · Score: 5, Informative

    MacSlash had this item on March 01st. See it: here.

  8. ipod killer? hardly by m0rphin3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    considering that 20 gb hard-drives for pocket pc's cost an arm and a leg, this is hardly an 'ipod killer'.

    $20 for mp3 player software? why? just make an ipod skin for some free software.

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  9. This is so cool... by blorg · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now I can get an iPod mini on the cheap:

    $250 PDA
    $400 4gb Hitachi CF microdrive
    $20 for this software

    and the Apple lawsuit?

    Priceless.

    1. Re:This is so cool... by N0decam · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think you mean "Look and feel" :)

      The touch-n-feel defendant you're thinking of is probably Michael Jackson - slightly different.

  10. Re:Very Awesome by Nebrie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Other than adding cool but useless features that do little more than drain battery life at an awesome rate is there any other point to the ipod having a color screen?

  11. Reminds me of a CmdrTaco saying... by Llywelyn · · Score: 4, Funny

    No extra functionality, MP3 only, not an iPod, and it only runs on top of MS software. Lame.

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  12. Re:Very Awesome by Patik · · Score: 5, Insightful
    They need to move to a color LCD version... I already pay a lot for an iPod why not trick it out?
    Because it's totally unnecessarily. A color screen is useful only for graphics, and the iPod doesn't need that. Visualizations aren't necessary because you use the thing while walking so you're not looking at it, and they just waste CPU cycles (i.e., battery life). You could have pictures, but what good is it on such a little screen? The iPod is a music player. It's a bit different than with cell phones because of the lack of communication functionality.

    A better use for the money would be wifi (for bluetooth-like syncing, not for uploading songs), longer battery life, and more durable parts (it's durable now, but it couldn't hurt to stiffen up some parts).

    Besides, if I want my iPod to look prettier, I'd want it in the design of the case, not on the screen.

  13. Tad expensive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    And the difference between this and this with this. Or simply this.

    Do people really want to pay $20 purely to get a skin for their pocketPC, that has less functionality(only mp3's) than something they can download for free.

  14. Another Example of Apple doing things right... by humandoing · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Not trolling or anything, but to me, this just seems to prove (again) how well Apple has been doing things these past couple years. Would companies be trying to mimic their every move if Apple was on the wrong track?

    I don't really like the fact that the software is a total rip-off of Apples UI design, and that it may (potentially?) reduce iPod sales (although probably to a minimal degree, if at all), but it does seem to very much re-inforce that consumers are generally extremely pleased with Apple's products, and the carefully thought out design that goes along with them.

    Mikro$haft might get a Klew eventually, but probably not, and in the meantime, I'll rejoice in my Mac OS X bliss, and never look back. (Converted Mac user since July 2002)

    1. Re:Another Example of Apple doing things right... by Kenja · · Score: 4, Funny

      I just downloaded the latest version on an Atari ST emulator. Atari must be doing great, why else whould people be copying their every move.

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  15. It's the software + the hardware by blorg · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's completely untrue. The iPod hardware is great, certainly (except the battery... grr) but it's the UI that really makes it - the fact that you can get to any one of 10k songs really really quickly and easily, with one hand.

    Lovely hardware working perfectly with lovely software is Apple's modus operandi - at a lovely price (for Apple).

    1. Re:It's the software + the hardware by TVC15 · · Score: 5, Funny

      > it's the UI that really makes it - the fact that you can get to
      > any one of 10k songs really really quickly and easily, with one
      > hand.

      what are you listening to that you need one hand free? ;-) and where can I get some?

    2. Re:It's the software + the hardware by Unregistered · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's like when you're driving. Since you have a cell phone in one hand, you only have one left for the ipod.

  16. pictures by penultimatepost · · Score: 5, Informative
  17. Re:Sign of things to come. by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 5, Informative

    You've got it backward ^^

    They make money on the hardware, not the music. Therefore the harm.

  18. Oh, brother... by switcha · · Score: 4, Funny
    Neither does the pPod software magically enhance the limited storage capacity of most Pocket PCs, which typically have up to 64 MB of internal memory, enough for about a dozen songs.

    *YAAAAAAWN*

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  19. Anonymous spokesperson? by Halo1 · · Score: 4, Funny
    "It works exactly the same way, except it's software and it costs $20," said a spokesman for the company, who wished to remain anonymous.
    What's next, presidential candidates that want to remain anonymous?
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  20. You are right by jared_hanson · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well, you are correct in more ways than you realise.

    Apple had their way with these guys and forced the renaming of the product (to pBop) and slight modifications to the interface.

    Slashdot is behind the times. This story would have been meaningful a couple days ago.

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  21. Re:"only supports MP3" by SengirV · · Score: 4, Funny
    So it doesn't support the invasive copy-protected bullshit Apple pushes through their iTunes store? This is a bad thing how?

    You just keep on buying your $19 CDs for one song and don't mind what the rest of us are doing. But I'm sure you are just stealing hte music and you expect everyone to give you everything for free. Move out of your mom's basement and join the real world.

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  22. Well then it's an industrial design issue by blorg · · Score: 5, Informative
    it'd be hard to sue for a software ripoff that doesn't even have all of the iPod's features

    I'm pretty sure you can sue for infringement on any of the claims in a patent. That said, the only thing Apple obviously mention as being patent-pending (that I can see) is their Auto-Sync technology.

    In any case, the design would be covered by industrial design law - it was on this basis that Apple successfully sued Emachines over their iMac lookalike PCs.

  23. Re:Very Awesome by Endive4Ever · · Score: 5, Interesting

    wireless iPod to iPod syncing would be a cool thing.

    Apple would be forced to prohibit it, of course. And we'd be forced (compelled, actually) to implement it.

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  24. Re:Sign of things to come. by mrmoa · · Score: 5, Informative
    Besides, apple wants to make money on the music, not the hardware.
    Um, no. Jobs said they're breaking even on the music and are using it to sell iPods. On page 3 of this article Fred Anderson said last week:
    • "So our philosophy is that traffic to the music store will lead to iPod sales and iPod sales will lead to the sale of Macs."
    And the Seattle Times noted last October:
    • "Apple's goal with iTunes -- which has yet to make a profit despite sales of more than 15 million songs -- is not to sell music but to sell its music player, the iPod."
  25. Did Apple's Lawyers post this story? by wdavies · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wow, a lot cheaper, than launching an international legal court case. Just get em slashdotted...

    Think Different.

  26. PocketPC + Toshiba HD +$20 = iPod? by breakinbearx · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One has to wonder... being that you can now get the 4Gb CF hard drives (i.e. MuVo 2, mini iPod), you can now stick one of these in a PocketPC, and get an "iPod" that can store 800 songs, has wireless internet access, is an address book and all that, plays movies (wmv's, divx), and PLAYS QUAKE!? now that would be kickin, and would be worth the extra cash you would shell out for the form factor of a real iPod.

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  27. Almost right by Jaguar777 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Posted by pudge on 13:39 09 March 2004
    from the i-smell-a-lawsuit dept.


    Shouldn't that be the iSmell-a-lawsuit dept.?

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  28. $20 Cool -- No; $5 Cool -- Maybe by SlashdotOgre · · Score: 4, Informative

    I installed the pPod demo last Friday mainly to piss off my roommate (big iPod fan) and I must say that besides looking kinda cool it doesn't do much else. Using a stylus as in place of your fingers worked haphazardly at best, and I am certainly not going to run out and buy a microdrive for it. It's mainly just a fancy skin for a MP3 only player (if it had support for alternate formats, then I'd reconsider). If I want to compete with my friend's iPod, I find it much easier to use programs like Net Use to create a network drive and stream the MP3 wirelessly to my PDA. Sure this limits me to staying within my network, but if I want to go out, a 256MB CF card has more than enough storage for any short trip.

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