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Pocket PCs Masquerade as iPods
agwadude writes "Wired News has a story about a British software firm called StarBrite that is selling a virtual iPod that runs on Microsoft's PocketPC operating system. It mimics the iPod interface exactly, including the unique scroll wheel. It's a mere $20 but this seems right considering it's only software, and it only supports MP3. MacDailyNews has a shorter story."
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Slashdotted already. ANybody know of plans to do this on a Palm? My Clie's got a scrollwheel.
It's off the spoke?
But is it pink?
Is the software really the selling point of the iPod?
or as we say in German: slashdotted. Darn.
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I love the black version. That would be hot if you could change the color of the ipod screen and what not. They need to move to a color LCD version. That would be expensive but I think it would totally be worth it. I already pay a lot for an iPod why not trick it out?
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Software doesn;t change the fact that storage is still a problem, especially since you need to use some of it to install this program. For the price of the software plus a memory card you can just buy a real MP3 player...
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Are these guys still up?
Long live reverse-engineering! Besides, apple wants to make money on the music, not the hardware. What harm could this be?
Fastest reaction time from Apple lawyers ever. Man those guys are good (or bad, depending on how you think of it).
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It's a mere $20 but this seems right considering it's only software, and it only supports MP3.
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Well, there's where the iPod emulation starts to fall apart. It should be $60+ if they want to emulate more of the experience.
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The iPod is a slick but over-priced piece of hardware. The software minus the hardware is just another mp3 player, of which there are plenty already available for pocket PCs. And free of charge too.
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Besides, the beauty of the interface is how it is designed for your hands, not your pointing device. How do you get feedback and all that on a touchscreen, be it with your fingers or worse, with a PDA-pencil...
I used this to get my iPaq to emulate an iPod. To complete the overall effect, I threw my iPaq out in the trash when the battery died..... just to have the complete iPod experience.
Well it is all well and good that you can have the interface of an Ipod on a PPC, you would essentualy have a CompactFlash based player.
An Ipod is a lot more then just a interface.
A piece of software mimicing an IPod running on a piece of software mimicing an operating system.
MacCentral is reporting that "pBop's resemblance to the iPod was unmistakable, especially when the product first launched: It was originally called pPod, and featured an interface that was practically identical to third-generation iPods."
it was so similar, in fact, that Apple asked them to make some changes, including the name.
Starbrite has "cooperated fully to address Apple's concerns" but, if you ask me, it is still pretty much a rip off of the iPod interface (GUI and physical). Isn't this kind of thing legally protectable?
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MacSlash had this item on March 01st. See it: here.
I give it 14 days before they get hit with an intellectual property lawsuit - if it was freeware I guess it might not have been so bad but they're selling it......
I'll keep my iPod for my MP3's and save the space on the iPaq for other useful stuff (like PocketSCUMM!)
considering that 20 gb hard-drives for pocket pc's cost an arm and a leg, this is hardly an 'ipod killer'.
$20 for mp3 player software? why? just make an ipod skin for some free software.
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It doesn't seems to support aac files. All it has is pretty interface and ability to play mp3 files. (not even ogg or wma) What happens to just using xmms or winamp?
It's a mere $20 but this seems right considering it's only software, and it only supports MP3.
Actually to me that seems like a total rip, anyone else?
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Now I can get an iPod mini on the cheap:
$250 PDA
$400 4gb Hitachi CF microdrive
$20 for this software
and the Apple lawsuit?
Priceless.
These guys are just begging for a Cease & Desist, they'll probably get smacked down for "trade dress"-- the argument could be made that the iPod's UI is unique and therefore able to be protected from duplication.
Same thing they used to shut down those cheesy iMac ripoffs ~5 years ago.
Ever hear of the slashdot effect? Not to mention that the site is actually still up!
No extra functionality, MP3 only, not an iPod, and it only runs on top of MS software. Lame.
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"It doesn't seems to support aac files"
That is a strength. AAC is an obscure non-standard format that most players don't bother with. It won't play 8-track tapes either, boo hoo.
And the difference between this and this with this. Or simply this.
Do people really want to pay $20 purely to get a skin for their pocketPC, that has less functionality(only mp3's) than something they can download for free.
From article: "Naturally, the pPod's interface is also just like the iPod's...It does not support WMA, nor songs downloaded from Apple's popular iTunes Music Store, which are encoded as copy-protected AAC files."
How is this any different from any other lame software MP3 player? It seems that the pPOD's main selling point is it's similarity to the iPOD, only cheaper, yet it lacks the similarity of the iPOD's best selling point...legal downloading of audio files from Apple's i-Tunes!!
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buy one here (with screenshot).
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Not trolling or anything, but to me, this just seems to prove (again) how well Apple has been doing things these past couple years. Would companies be trying to mimic their every move if Apple was on the wrong track?
I don't really like the fact that the software is a total rip-off of Apples UI design, and that it may (potentially?) reduce iPod sales (although probably to a minimal degree, if at all), but it does seem to very much re-inforce that consumers are generally extremely pleased with Apple's products, and the carefully thought out design that goes along with them.
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That's completely untrue. The iPod hardware is great, certainly (except the battery... grr) but it's the UI that really makes it - the fact that you can get to any one of 10k songs really really quickly and easily, with one hand.
Lovely hardware working perfectly with lovely software is Apple's modus operandi - at a lovely price (for Apple).
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so I won't touch it with a 10-foot pole........
Of course the Dell DJ and other physical players emulate the iPod the same way, without the scroll wheel, while software players like Winamp and QCD all have skins that mimic Apple's L&F.
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I personally don't see what the big deal is. It's not like this is going to steal actual iPod sales from Apple.
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So it doesn't support the invasive copy-protected bullshit Apple pushes through their iTunes store? This is a bad thing how?
Well, you are correct in more ways than you realise.
Apple had their way with these guys and forced the renaming of the product (to pBop) and slight modifications to the interface.
Slashdot is behind the times. This story would have been meaningful a couple days ago.
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If Apple's legal team was ok with it and has cooperated with Apple fully, what is your problem?
Do you have some information that Apple's legal team doesn't?
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Wasnt this same story, word for word from what i recall, posted a few days ago?
We have seen that living things are too improbable and too beautifully "designed" to have come into existence by chance.
Sound like copyright infringement to me! ...meanwhile in Cupertino, CA:
Steve Jobs personally files the lawsuit against the interface-stealing infidels...
I'm pretty sure you can sue for infringement on any of the claims in a patent. That said, the only thing Apple obviously mention as being patent-pending (that I can see) is their Auto-Sync technology.
In any case, the design would be covered by industrial design law - it was on this basis that Apple successfully sued Emachines over their iMac lookalike PCs.
It mimics the iPod interface exactly, including the unique scroll wheel.
How can the scroll wheel be unique if there's something mimicking it?
If anyone deserves to be able to patent the stuff they produce, it's Apple-- since other companies apparently cannot resist ripping off damned near everything Apple does.
For example, why is Dell's Digital Jukebox white, when just about every other product they make has a dark colored case? So they can fool some rubes into thinking they're buying an iPod, that's why!
And we're not talking about submarine patents here. Apple is using them the way they were meant to be used-- to defend the fruits of their labors for a period of time, against the makers of half-assed knockoffs.
From StarBrite's website:
"No need to waste money on an expensive player and carry two items"
Nice! So they're saying I should keep my $20 and take the iPod everywhere with me?!
Wow, a lot cheaper, than launching an international legal court case. Just get em slashdotted...
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Personally I find this to be a good thing. Reverse engineering, duplicating any device in hardware or software is cool. Copying the vaunted IPOD on a Windows Pocket PC? That's the ultimate in irony there.
I myself don't care for the IPOD or it's interface, so I've got no reason to play with this software. But the idea sounds interesting, if not particularly useful. What would be more impressive overall however, is if this company did something ala what Rockbox did for the Archos devices, and wrote a new OS to run on the IPOD itself.
"...The mice will see you now..."
One has to wonder... being that you can now get the 4Gb CF hard drives (i.e. MuVo 2, mini iPod), you can now stick one of these in a PocketPC, and get an "iPod" that can store 800 songs, has wireless internet access, is an address book and all that, plays movies (wmv's, divx), and PLAYS QUAKE!? now that would be kickin, and would be worth the extra cash you would shell out for the form factor of a real iPod.
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Get the iPaq instead. No iPod problem of destroying the unit just to replace the overpriced battery.
I have been using PocketMusic from PocketMind on my Samsung i700 PocketPC/Phone for a while, and it's amazing. I have zero iPod envy (I can't balance a budget, get e-mail, web surf, or make a call on an iPod, but I can play my Oggs on my PocketPC -- even to the extent of dagging them from my Linux box).
I mean this to take nothing away from the exquisitely designed, iPod, but I no longer have the desite to possess a single specialized device for every eFunction in my life. Sure, I sacrifice some sizzle sans iPod, some corporate penis-size sans blackberry, and some cuteness sans the postage stamp-sized phone du jour, but I love just having it *ALL* on my Samsung.
Despite Hp's massive Indian outsourcing binge the iPaq is still far superior to the crapple iPOS. For one you can use it for many more things than the iPOS and for another it's way cheaper.
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Why would a heterosexual PocketPC user want to use a faggy effeminate iPod?
So it's an MP3 player with an iPod skin? What's the problem? It's not like there are any Windows Pocket PC systems out there that actually have the REAL interface that the iPod does. And what about all the hardware connections that the iPod has? Hm... Sounds like a snow lews day to me. ;P
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Posted by pudge on 13:39 09 March 2004
from the i-smell-a-lawsuit dept.
Shouldn't that be the iSmell-a-lawsuit dept.?
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Someone wrote a PocketPC program that mimics the iPod interface. Fanatic Apple fans cry foul - as if the interface is some sort of holy grail.
...and the real computing community continues to administer networks, code, and do research with shells.
Meanwhile, nerds continues to swap Windows warez and play games. Manager types continue to type business proposals in Word and Powerpoint. The masses continue to swap MP3s with any software that comes into their possession.
The moral of the story? Apple fans are dumb.
If you operate this like an iPod, your screen would be greasy all the time.
that make me regret the $500 I dropped this morning on a Palm OS device.
Damn, could I have a little warning in the future PLEASE?
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Wow.
Hundreds of doomsayers predicting the demise of this, and not one mention (modded up at least) of Windows ripping off the Mac interface...and Apple LOSING the subsequent lawsuit.
According to one legal analysis, Microsoft's legal strategy was that of "breaking Apple's nebulous 'gestalt' and 'look-and-feel' theory into specific identifiable elements and then knocking each one down like uncopyrightable bowling pins...demonstrating nearly two dozen windowing systems...that used elements Apple claimed to own.
Doesn't sound much different here, I doubt they'd waste their time on it.
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The FONT is stolen and that's not nebulous. It's called CHICAGO.
I'll bet the thinnest iPod and the thinnest Palm together take up less space than a modern PocketPC.
Heck, I can fit my old Palm V and my old 5GB ipod in the same pocket of my jeans!
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They even ripped off the copyrighted Chicago font. How sad.
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Good Lord! Apple released the lawyers! Everybody, run for your lives!
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If you want to get audio books, of say periodicals like The Harvard Business Review, or Science, you can't play them on this, or most MP3 players. It's acctully one of the reasons I'm considering an iPod rather than a soild state player.
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As if we needed more proof Mac fans are flaming retards.
I installed the pPod demo last Friday mainly to piss off my roommate (big iPod fan) and I must say that besides looking kinda cool it doesn't do much else. Using a stylus as in place of your fingers worked haphazardly at best, and I am certainly not going to run out and buy a microdrive for it. It's mainly just a fancy skin for a MP3 only player (if it had support for alternate formats, then I'd reconsider). If I want to compete with my friend's iPod, I find it much easier to use programs like Net Use to create a network drive and stream the MP3 wirelessly to my PDA. Sure this limits me to staying within my network, but if I want to go out, a 256MB CF card has more than enough storage for any short trip.
Sadly, PS/2 was yet another victim of USB, which doesn't care what you plug into it, the electrical slut.
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Won't be long until iPod is emulating whatever the hell it can, too ...
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I think this will have the opposite effect of what many people think. PPC owners can check this out, realize it's a damn good interface, and then they might decide that the iPod is worth the dough.
Or, they go look for a CF hard drive for more space, learn about the iPod mini being much cheaper than the drives by themselve, and wind up buying a mini instead.
However, I don't see many people using this *as* an iPod... it's just not cost-effective. I bet some people who only need a few songs will use it, but more than likely those people would not be in the market for a real iPod no matter what.
I think pPod will actually increase iPod sales.
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are pretending to be something that doesn't suck to use? It's bad enough business relies on the ass of an interface called MS Windows, now they want to foist it on me in palm and phone based devices? No thanks, Apple should make a PDA and put PocketPC and Palm OS out of thier respective miseries, although as phones evolve I would guess the whole standalone Palm thing is near death as is.
I don't remember all the specifics, but I'm pretty sure Apple sued MS a long time ago over Windows, saying that it copied the "look and feel" of the Mac. Obviously, they lost. I would consider this no different, especially since it's a software copy of a hardware interface.
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$200 is much cheaper than $400.
But for that $200, you get a warranty. By stripping the CF drive out of a muvo, you void the warranty on the Muvo, and you get no warranty on the card.
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StarBrite became StarDimm - 'Service Unavailable'.
Ok, aping the iPod is one thing, but in using the HP logo, as seen in this screenshot, aren't they going too far - in fact 'asking for it'? Carly could be the 'woman scorned' here...
There have been many lawsuits (specifically involving Lotus Notes, I believe) over the "look and feel" of software. In the LN case, it involved spreadsheets. The courts ruled that merely copying the look and feel is *not* a violation of copyright law, unless actual code was, indeed, copied (as in cut & paste, etc.) Not sure how that fits into patents, though. -DB in 2004 (Bring on the donuts..)
While I agree with you completely, I could easily see Apple using a kind of inexpensive in-between technology to introduce some colour to the display, if for purely aesthetic reasons (this is Apple we're talking about).
Some of the newer low-cost Nokias have pseudo-colour screens that look like the real deal, until you try to put some graphics on them and realize how chunky they come out. It's nice for coloured text though, and doesn't seem to impact battery life.
The iPod is not going to be screening photos or videos anytime soon but it would be nice to have a coloured calendar on there, to match all my iCals, for instance.
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This thing wasn't developed to be "an iPod killer". Hardly. The developers didn't even bother trying to mimic the iPod with all its functionality. What it DOES have is a pretty face. A pretty face and a well-known face. These guys know that Apple's iPod is the best selling mp3 player out there and they want to capitalize on that. That's it. Nothing more. They aren't trying to revolutionize anything, not trying to invent some new killer app. They just want to make a few bucks riding the iPod's success.
Of course, they're probably gonna get nailed for it, but hey, it was fun while it lasted.
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you could just get a crappy laptop instead of an ipod
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Re-writing history, again, I see.
Apple won, and MS paid handsomely - this was when MS put out press releases saying they had 'invested' in Apple, and people like you believed it
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That would be hot if you could change the color of the ipod screen and what not. They need to move to a color LCD version.
Bleh. I agree 100% with the other replies that said this was a horrible waste of batteries and unnecessary. It would turn the iPod from something (supposedly) simple and elegant to one of those moronic CD systems with multiple bullshit coloured LEDs, gimmicky-looking level meters and speakers with doesn't-look-metallic-at-all silver/grey plastic detailing.
If you really just want to change the colour of the display, perhaps an interchangable backdrop or lights would be more appropriate. But I think that would still complicate the design and add a point of potential breakage.
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But it really is so much bigger than the iPod - while an extra inch might not look like so much on paper, it really does make a difference in reality.
Buy a sony UX-50 and do so much more.
Saw the story on macslash last week and downloaded it this morning. the site was already down but I googled and found another place to download it from. usable enough, I guess. cute little PPC-demo app, I guess. I just got this iPaq a while ago from work and besides the fact that it has no easy-to-find battery level indicator (grr, my ancient Palm has that) I wouldn't use a PDA for music, anyway, but that's just me. mostly I just downloaded it to check it out and play with it some.
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I don't see it in my programs folder but it's in the start menu. without a physical groove, it's almost impossible to use your finger to "scroll" songs but it's not too bad with the stylus. no exit, either, just choose 'hide' from the main menu. not sure if that means it's still running and taking cpu cycles/battery life. plays music just fine, but took a million years to move 27 mb worth of music to it over USB.
summary: kinda cute, kinda neat, I don't plan to use it so I don't care about the outcome of the lawsuit.
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Why get an iPod that can only play mp3s when I can invest in a Pocket PC to do more?
I am sold. Guess Mac is going downhill... again.
He only has one hand!
Ironically, the word ironically is often used incorrectly.
They emulate a piece of hardware that is so stupid simple that as a GUI it'll actually work. That's OK, not original, but not stupid either.
...
... but if everybody had to be 100% original in order to produce, it'd be a weird world.
Apple will have no problems with that. They may have to change a few details, but as long as this is
1) only software, that;
2) doesn't totally emulate iPod's own (proprietary) software;
3) doesn't insult Apple's product...
there's no legal problem at all.
The only - philosophical - gripe might be they try to run with someone else's good idea, but then again, most everybody does. That doesn't stop people from buying Windows - or rival products that emulate Windows - or downloading Linux, or buying Apple mp3 players, or
You might have an issue with me naming linux, Apple, Windows,
Copying in it self isn't good, copying good ideas is only sensible. In the end, let lawyers and marketing sweat the details, and let us not waste time with these superficial issues.
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It's a mere $20 but this seems right considering it's only software, and it only supports MP3 ...AND because you've already paid for the hardware????? 9_9'
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> Did I mention the nicely backlit display? Wow!
Wow, imagine that, a little blue 160 x 104 display.
You know what would be really cool? a 160 x 128 display. White backlit. Oh, wait, that's already on the iPod. Oh, and it's 4-bit instead of 2-bit (I don't have a Zen so I can't confirm that it's 2-bit, but it looks that way to me). Cool.
You're referring to Lotus 1-2-3, not Notes. No one in their right mind would ever consider stealing that East German war surplus 16-color user interface from Notes. I had the unfortunate necessity to use Notes for about 5 months last year and it vividly reminded me what software was like in the 1980's. The scariest thing about Notes was that I'd used it briefly in '96 and '97 and in 6 years it hadn't improved one bit.
All I have to say is that if the Soviet government had lasted long enough to use Windows software it would have been Notes.
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I'm not suggesting that Apple should have rights on the idea of a scroll wheel (although they might try, and there are patents on far more obvious things). But that's irrelevant. Industrial design law specifically covers the non-functional aesthetic. From the article and previous comments, it appears that this piece of software duplicates the iPod aesthetic pretty faithfully, and Apple have already won a lawsuit against similar efforts to duplicate the aesthetic of the iMac.
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On my Dell Axim X3 playing off a SD card, i can run the player for 7 hours. That is using the smallest 950mAh battery. For $50 CAN (if i remeber correctly) i can get the 1900mAh battery, and get an extra 14 hours.
Personally I prefer complicated gadgets that do lots of things, like PCs and smartphones. So I definitely agree with your sentiment. However the iPod was designed for only one purpose; playing music. The color screen wouldn't add enough for this single purpose to mitigate the loss in battery life.
I just looked it up and it IS pretty nifty. I have an ancient handspring (now owned by palm) visor, and I hardly use it because it is so limited and unwieldy. This PDA actually looks somewhat useful. Granted the keyboard is a bit small, but it's definitely better than typing on my TI 89, and there's always the stylus for text entry. My only concern it the swiveling screen. It is a really neat idea, but I'm afraid that it's going to make the PLA less durable. Still, if I could afford the $500 I'd get one. Of course, I'd get an iPod too.
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Its like saying a Pinto is pretty much the same as a BMW, only cheaper!
And that's true at a gross level.
The Apple stuff is like buying a BMW. Better, but not for everybody.
And yes, I *do* own a BMW.
How do you mean? Just curious...
seems to be a version here, maybe only place it'll be for long.
It seems to make sense to have a more general purpose PDA that can do other things besides playing mp3s, if you're going to spend more than $200. I still don't see why someone is willing to pay so much money for a box that could do numerous things, but has been dumbed down to only allow mp3 playback
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iPlayC/Sfile player/recorder for Pocket PCs and ...
iPlay Client includes a true, noise-free (no grating artifacts) 5-band equalizer, each band of which can be configured for width and center frequency. The EQ has seven EQ presets and 90 more that are programmable on a per-file basis. Built in is mp3, aac, ogg, and wav play of exceptional quality, along with wav and mp3 recording. Finely-tuned cache optimization lets you use a microdrive or other spindle device with near-CompactFlash power use, thanks to spinning for only a couple of seconds per file. Perfectly GAPLESS play (no blank space at all between mp3 and wav plays) lets you listen to live or run-through recordings without any annoying breaks. File selection is simple and powerful. Playlist creation is a breeze, and easily edited. CPU use is as low as a few percent (4% for 64 kbps AAC; 6% for 256 kbps MP3), allowing up to 10 hours of continuous playback on an iPAQ 3900, or longer with any extended battery.
iSrv is the optional server portion of ipcs, and is available for both Win32 desktops and Pocket PC devices. The desktop version serves 18 simultaneous client connections, across the LAN or across the internet. The PPC version serves three or more simultaneous clients. Wi-Fi, ethernet, and Bluetooth are supported.
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Bah I should have pushed the fact that I wrote my own ipod emulater last year. At least mine is free and open source!
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Best I can tell, it's a mediocre PocketPC-based audio player that looks like an iPod. Please hold while I wet myself.
This whole "It's remotely about Apple so it has to be on the front page" thing HAS to go. This article isn't worthy of being on the front page of Slashdot, no matter how you look at it.
A quick google search for "apple vs microsoft look and feel" turned up:
The Apple vs Microsoft case did not end look-and-feel cases. The law has grown to make such claims stronger than when Apple made its claim. Apple lost because CEO Steve Sculley signed a licensing agreement with Microsoft that allowed them to copy the Mac look-and-feel in MS applications for the Mac. What Sculley missed is that agreement was broad enough for Gate's and company to copy the look-and-feel in anything else they wanted. Apple in recent years has been very successful in protecting its "color of trade" and other infringement claims. Ideas and concept can't be copyrighted, but original renditions or "expressions" of those ideas can and are protected.
@ http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/4107
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Apple vs. Microsoft [11]. In this case, Apple alleged copyright infringement based on the argument that the Microsoft Windows 2.03 GUI (graphical user interface) operating system had the same "look and feel" as the Macintosh's GUI operating system. Was Microsoft acting ethically when it created a GUI (graphical user interface) operating system that had similar look and feel to Macintosh's GUI operating system? As the case mentions, Apple did license certain portions of its GUI (e.g., icons, dialog box layouts, etc.) to Microsoft.
@ http://www.cafezine.com/index_article.asp?deptId=3 &id=262&page=2
I'm sure you could find more on your own.
This has nothing to do with MS investing in Apple. It was about Windows v2.x.
Me thinks it's you that requires a spell checker.
SteveM
Jesus god you're a faggot.
It might look the same, but it can never impersonate Apple's iPod. Besides, just showing it off like that is only asking for a subpoena.
You know how Apple hates it when people use their Aqua interfaces. I don't think StarBrite will last much longer.
"Instant gratification takes too long." - Carrie Fisher
Isn't that wheel doohicky patented!?! Lock up those coders. They are clearly obdurate patent-infringers.
Hundreds of doomsayers predicting the demise of this, and not one mention (modded up at least) of Windows ripping off the Mac interface.
Excuse me...
Apple ripped off HP for the windows concept AND the mouse. I really can't get too upset for poor ol' Apple having the same done to them.
6:00 Wed. Morning, and already been pulled from Handango!
But Officer, I DID read the f**king article!
Apparently my install didn't work right, because the 40GB hard drive emulator doesn't seem to be working.
Trust me. This is an inactive account. Regardless of what the