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Rack Mounted PCs for the Home User?

andrewa writes "Do any folks out there have recommendations on available gear for building a small, but extendable, rack-mounted system? As a developer of software for use in contact centers I want to put together a small development system that consists of at least three PCs to create a simulated environment to test my applications in. Why rack mounted? Well, I want to save space and only have the bare minimum systems (no need for multiple CD-ROMS, monitors, no sound-cards, just lots of memory and HD space). I also will add to this in the future, so don't want to limit myself to just a few pcs on the system. I've scouted around a bit, but didn't see too much. I'm in the UK at the moment, but will be moving to the U.S. in about 6 months, so power requirements (although I guess most equipment has switchable voltages) is a consideration."

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  1. Rack Mount!? by Not+The+Real+Me · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ha!!!
    Get a bookcase, flip the tower computers on the side.

    Rack mounted indeed!

    1. Re:Rack Mount!? by lawrencekhoo · · Score: 5, Informative

      I recently had to set up a mini-cluster for my department. We looked into rack mounts, but finally decided to go with micro-ATX PCs housed in a standard bookshelf. The main reason for our decision was that 1U servers are very expensive, hot, and noisy. 2U cases are better, and you can use off-the-shelf components, but 2U offers no space savings over micro-ATX.

      We found micro-ATX motherboards with dual DDR and gigabit ethernet built-in. Micro-ATX cases are cheap, and you can get solid 300 watt power supplies for them. Additionally, we can if needed fit in 3 standard PCI cards.

      So, we decided to get 15 micro-ATX PCs, and house them in 3 shelves of a standard 2 1/2' (w) x 6 1/2' (h) bookshelf. The PCs sit backwards so all the ports face out. There's still space for another 10 PC's in the bookshelf. Compare this with only 20 2U cases in a standard rack.

      My recommendation, go with micro-ATX PCs, unless you really need an ATX sized motherboard. It'll be easier to deal with and will save you a bunch of money over rack mounts.

    2. Re:Rack Mount!? by astrojetsonjr · · Score: 2, Informative

      I also use micro-ATX and I'm very happy with the stack that I have. I use the Ivar Ikea shelves, they come in different widths and depths and are open all around for good air flow. The upright supports are very sturdy (but use the cross braces anyway) and the holes allow for exact spacing of the shelves. I use that split plastic tube to hide the cables up and down the rack. I use screws inside the tube to fasten it to the back two rails, the tube runs from top to bottom of the rack. Nice and neat installation.

  2. No thanks by rixstep · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Rack mounted PCs? No thanks.

    But an Xgrid cluster something like VA Tech's in my closet I can hook up to the laptops would be nice.

    If I sell this scratchy iPod mini I should have enough loose change...

  3. Musicians worked this one out long ago... by kaosmunkee · · Score: 4, Informative

    You can buy 19" rack equipment that was designed for musicians... Something like this might work, if you cooled it properly. 6U of space will hold 6 1U servers. And they're made to be shipped around, so when you move you won't have to do too much to pack them up.

    1. Re:Musicians worked this one out long ago... by mabinogi · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think you'd probably be better off looking for stuff designed for PCs.

      The moment anything is associated with professional audio, it gets a 500% markup.
      Especially if they're designed for gigging, computer racks don't need to be anywhere near as robust.

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    2. Re:Musicians worked this one out long ago... by AltImage · · Score: 4, Informative

      Musician's racks won't work. They're both 19 inch racks but rack comuters are much deeper than musical equipment. Computers are about 20"-24" deep. Music hardware is about half that and the racks reflect that.

    3. Re:Musicians worked this one out long ago... by ckaminski · · Score: 2, Informative

      Audio AV gear is usually not deep enough to house 1U servers, so I don't advise it.

    4. Re:Musicians worked this one out long ago... by T-Ranger · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Anything that relates to racks - rack cases, racks themselves - gets a 500% markup.

    5. Re:Musicians worked this one out long ago... by MrChuck · · Score: 2, Informative
      My SKBs are about 14" deep. my computers are deeper. While the 21band EQ and compressor/limiter are great to have in it (you do all have those in your stereo systems, right?), they'd suck even if they were deep enough for computers. My old amplifier cases had fans and occasionally got a bag of dry ice.

      However, building a "road case" is neither hard nor expensive. making it roadable would want some experience with working with (say) anvil cases a bit for back panels, fasteners, etc.

      And yeah, my SKBs have taken a beating that just hurt to see ("no you idiot, close the van door before pulling it forward 5 feet. And it's a clutch, be gentle" drummers. sigh.).

    6. Re:Musicians worked this one out long ago... by crackshoe · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I do pro audio on the apple platform, and i was looking at getting a g4 xserve to take around to gigs. unfortunately, most computer racks are too deep to fit in a closed end audio rack. I ended up just carrying around a g4 tower, and a rack full of DAT, AUdio interfaces, and other stuff. However, a rack tower is usually open on the back, to allow access to patch cables, etc., so if the case only needs to be screwed in front, you'd be fine.

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    7. Re:Musicians worked this one out long ago... by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Informative

      Um dont think so...

      I can get a 8U flight Cae from musicians friend for $79.00US while the same Travel PC rack costs $500.00

      professional audio is dirt cheap as there are far more of them than Computer people.

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    8. Re:Musicians worked this one out long ago... by clifyt · · Score: 2, Informative

      That and the G4 XServ sounds like a stack of vacuum cleaners :-)

      There is a decent rack system from Marathon that works for the G4s...the only problem is that the CD is now sideways -- but I'll probably be picking one up soon to get next to my rack'd PC so I don't have to crate everything up when I need to take the stuff on the road (luckily most of the time, its just in town).

      BTW -- if you need to have ports up front, there are kits for both Mac and PC to reroute most of this up there...as well as a specialized fack for PCs that had the motherboard 'backwards' so that you see this stuff on the front end -- its a lot more because its targetted at the music audience, but I've tried the standard reroute hardware (its about $20) which uses a 5 1/4 bay up front...makes it easier so that even if the rack is open up front, you don't need to twist the rack during a gig -- or if you keep it at home and push a stationary rack up against the wall, you don't have to drag it out (I keep mine on wheels so its just a quick spin).

    9. Re:Musicians worked this one out long ago... by T-Ranger · · Score: 2, Informative

      24" is the standard depth of 4 post racks. Actually, likely something like 23 3/4" or 24 1/4" because 24" would be too easy. 24" on center? Outside posts? Inside posts? Beh. I know the 4' 4 post cabinet sitting next to me is out of alignment.

    10. Re:Musicians worked this one out long ago... by SeverianDragon · · Score: 2

      Yes yes, this works. The other two posts are mildly correct as well. You can build your own cabinets, All you need are some latches, wood and the rack rails. which you can get at any musicians supply shop for alot cheaper than the prefab stuff AND, if you build in your own power supply you can also build fans into the sucker.

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  4. Been there, done that, painted it metallic green by onyxruby · · Score: 5, Informative

    Couple of thoughts here on this as I've done what your looking to do. First suggestion is wait to buy your stuff until you get here in the US to save yourself shipping fees and possible import duties. Once your here and settled look on ebay for a local auction so that you don't have to have the rack shared.

    Going back to school to pick up Cisco and SUN I wanted a rack to hold all the requisite lab equipment for my sandbox - and I thought it would be nifty. I did this last summer and I was able to buy a 42u rack for $100 by watching a week for a local rack on ebay and avoided $200 in shipping fees. Of course no data center I have ever seen was willing to personalize their their rack by painting it metallic green like I did:)

    When your buying your rack mount systems bear in mind that 1u cases tend to cost a lot more and have lower capacity. If you have the room, and at home you should, buy either a 3u or 4u rack case and then you don't have to use low profile memory, cards, power supplies and the like that are a fair bit more expensive than standard issue fair.

    You can easily get the 3u or 4u cases on ebay for the same price range as a normal computer case. However the rack mount keyboards, mice and monitors cost a pretty penny. If you buy a full rack it will be far cheaper to just by a couple rackmount shelfs and put an old 15" Monitor, KVM, Keyboard and still have plenty of room left over.

    Also bear in mind your electric capacity with where you place it. In my experience you'll get around 6-8 systems for a LAN party on your standard 15 amp outlet before blowing the circuit. If you can put it on a circuit that is as isolated as you can make it.

  5. Consider Emulation by poppycock · · Score: 5, Informative

    I have good luck with a mixture of Virtual PC for Macs and VMWare for Linux. VPC doesn't run on the G5s yet, though.

    Maybe a virtual solution will work for you?

    1. Re:Consider Emulation by Total_Wimp · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I have good luck with a mixture of Virtual PC for Macs and VMWare for Linux.

      These are great, but having multiple systems comes in handy. It's always nice to know that that thing you're going to blow up will only affect one machine and your really important stuff is gonna keep hummin' along on the side.

      For the stuff I really don't know enough about yet, I like to have a seperate box to play.

      TW

    2. Re:Consider Emulation by Unregistered · · Score: 3, Informative

      VPC and VMWare create system images, so anything you do in the virtual system will only affect that system and it's disk image (a file on teh real system). No more dangerous. They are not emulators at all, you create a system image, install an os on it, hook it up to the network and it's just like a different computer. Except cheaper. Much cheaper. And i think you can have multiple systems open at once.

    3. Re:Consider Emulation by Martin+Blank · · Score: 2, Informative

      That you can, and with VMWare 4.5 (just released), you can task more than 1GB of RAM to the virtual machines. If you have an average SMP or a very fast single-CPU system with boatloads of RAM and some good, fast disks (a RAID-1/0 array works wonders for this), you can have a very nice virtual network running with many systems active. I've run a network of about six virtual systems before on one box; one day, I'll see how many I can run with the new RAM availablity.

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    4. Re:Consider Emulation by rimu+guy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Instead of VMWare consider User Mode Linux. It is free. And it permits you to run many virtual servers per host server. e.g. you should be able to run 16-30 virtual servers per 3Ghz Intel proc. Just make sure you have enough memory (4GB is handy).

      With Copy on Write file systems you can prep up your testing environment. Snapshot it. Run your tests. Then nuke the resulting file systems and start again. Being able to start a test run with the whole file system in the state it was in when you started (without having to roll back individual files and databases) is very convenient.

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  6. One BIG system and VMWare... by Ron+Harwood · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Get one big system and a VMware license... saves lots of space and hardware costs... plus - when you aren't running the other systems... you have one kick ass box.

  7. Follow Apple's example by morcheeba · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Apple has a Xserve mincluster that has done some things right - small size, acousticly shielded, and on wheels. I must stress the acoustic part if you'e going to work next to this machine - My dual athlon with raid's drone got irritating very quickly.

    1. Re:Follow Apple's example by mroch · · Score: 4, Informative

      http://www.apple.com/xserve/cluster/wgcluster.html "The Apple Workgroup Cluster for Bioinformatics provides a faster, easier and lower-cost path to scientific discovery. You'll get rapid access to data analysis with minimal administrative burden in one comprehensive, industry-leading solution. All starting at $27,999." I wish......

    2. Re:Follow Apple's example by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Something tells me this guy isn't looking to spend $28,000. I can't believe you got modded up for such stupidity. +5 Pro-Apple.

    3. Re:Follow Apple's example by monophaze · · Score: 2, Informative

      That rack unit in the picture looks like it is XtremeMac's Xrack which is a 12U enclosed rack designed for XServe+XRaid for around $1799

    4. Re:Follow Apple's example by Smurf · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I can't believe you got modded up for such stupidity.

      If you read his post carefully you will notice that he didn't say "buy an Xserve mini cluster". He said "follow Apple's example", and then he showed several things that Apple did right with their Workgroup Cluster.

      Many of those things can be achieved by using cheaper hardware and not getting all the goodies that you don't need (e.g., the truckload of software), so you can follow Apple's example without spending $28,000.

  8. what about virtualization by joshtimmons · · Score: 4, Informative

    You didn't say much about your application, but you might want to look at using vmware instead of a stack of hardware. I've been using it since 1.0 and it has completely quenched my need to buy and maintain a suite of servers for testing my distributed apps.

  9. Gank it from work by DeathPenguin · · Score: 4, Informative

    I take it the person who asked the question wants to run on server boards, which basically excludes any of the cute little shoebox cases available. They can also be rather large, which excludes many desktop mid-tower cases as well. Most 1U cases I've seen are intended strictly for datacenter use and aren't built with acoustical ergonomics in mind--They usually run several 40mm 7000RPM fans and generate a lot of noise.

    I usually just go to Antec for enclosures, but in this case it might just be wiser to have your boss order a few extra nodes that you can take home. Modern Xeon and Opteron systems tend to get very, very hot in 1U enclosures and require wind tunneling for more efficient cooling and require enormous amounts of power from PSUs that cost several hundred dollars in 1U form factor.

  10. Rack Mounted Servers by FiberOpPraise · · Score: 5, Informative

    I currently work with servers, specifically rackmounted servers. I can tell you that for home use they are not worth the effort. For one thing heat is a big issue. Its no longer trivial to add some case fans to the back and let the air flow freely. You also can not use standard heatsinks because they will not fit in a 1U case.

    The main and possibly only benefit of the rackmounted server is because it saves space. This is essential when putting servers in a datacenter as they charge you for how much space you use.

    If you are not going to put the servers into a datacenter just put the computer in a standard case which is about (4U) and save yourself the $300-$600 that a rackmount case will set you back alone.

  11. Middle Atlantic Products & NewEgg by lesinator · · Score: 5, Informative

    Middle Atlantic Products makes some nice, inexpensive rack hardware in their musician's section that's suitable for a home rack. I have one of their 36" racks and its served me well. In it I have racked a few homebrew PC's, mostly with rack-mount cases purchased from NewEgg. Decent rack-mount cases, not overly priced, and many will take standard sized motherboards and power supplies.

  12. deja vu by DougMackensie · · Score: 2, Interesting
  13. HP's got some decent lowend hardware by digitalgimpus · · Score: 5, Informative

    HP's got some really cheap (sub $2000) rackmountable hardware available, with decent specs. They are intel based, so could run Linux, Solaris x86, or if you must W2k, W2k3.

    Checkout the Proliant's:
    http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/se rvers/prolian tdl140/index.html

    That's not to bad for the hardware.

  14. Mini-ATX by mroch · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I agree that having your own rack would be cool, and I would build one if I had the money, but I can't help but wonder what the benefit is over some mini-ATX boxes aside from the bragging rights. Shuttle's XPC line might do the trick and actually take up less space...

  15. Why not laptops? by chrispyman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seriously, laptops are great as far as size is concerned and as a bonus come with battery backup! Rackmount cases really aren't that small (atleast not the 1U type), just thin and long. A few small factor form PCs would probably work better unless you're really sure you want rackmount. Rackmounts are better left in the server room I say.

    1. Re:Why not laptops? by blate · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Why not? Because laptops aren't designed to be servers. They generally underperform similarly-classed full-size systems, are generally not designed to be always-on, have flakey hardware, etc., etc.

      Furthermore, laptop harddrives are much slower than server-class storage and, in my experience, have a much lower life expectancy.

      Finally, laptops dump a lot of heat out their bottoms and don't like to be stacked on atop another. If you try this, you're liable to end up with a fire or, at the very least, hardware failures, in short order.

      I think "use the right tool for the job" applies here... :)

  16. Re:Rack? by smittyoneeach · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now you talkin' silicon!

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  17. Re:Rack? by ckaminski · · Score: 5, Informative

    Rackmount? For 3 pcs? Something small? Bad idea. Mini-ITX or or microATX is the way to go. Small boxes like this:

    http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?de sc ription=56-101-430&depa=0

    Racks themselves are expensive. Figure on a $250 minimum investment. Then a $100 minimum case cost.

    I've got a number of skyhawk 4U cases in a 48U rack. It works for me, especially with all my AV gear in lockdown shelves. Works for me, YMMV.

  18. Redneck Rackmounts... by flynns · · Score: 2, Funny

    Plywood. Duct tape.

    What? It works for mah gun rack!

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  19. Rackmounts are terribly noisy. by John_Booty · · Score: 5, Informative

    The thing about rackmounts is that they're terribly noisy, especially 1U units, because they've got numerous, small, high-rpm fans. It's a real cacaphony of noise and heat so if you don't have a separate room for them, you'll get sick of them really quickly. There's also the price premium you pay for 1U cases and low-profile memory compared to normal parts. If you need multiple systems at home, I'd suggest mini-PC's from Shuttle. Small, quiet, and cheaper than rackmounts (slightly more than regular whitebox PCs). They're flat on top so they're very stackable... 3 or 4 of them would take up the space of a normal fullsize tower. They take normal PC components, and they have 100mbps network adapters built in (some of the high-end P4 units might have 1000mbps, I'm not sure) A barebones Shuttle w/ sound, network, and video costs between $220 and $400. After that cost you just need to drop in a CPU, ram, and disk drive. Quite affordable. At least one supercomputer cluster chose Shuttle PCs, I forget which one. This is my second Slashdot post in a few weeks extolling these things. I don't work for them, honest. I'm just a very satisfied customer. :P

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    1. Re:Rackmounts are terribly noisy. by jjeffries · · Score: 5, Funny

      OH, I DUNNO, I HAVE A BUNCH OF DELL RACKMOUNTS, AND AT FIRST I THOUGHT THEY WERE KINDA LOUD BUT NOW I HARDLY NOTICE IT. I AM WORKING ON A 2.4GHZ 2650 WITH 5 DISKS IN MY OFFICE RIGHT NOW AND IT HARDLY MAKES A WHISPER.

      oh my gosh how terrible the lameness filter is trying to foil my message, lowercase lowercase lowercase text text text text one two three four i love the marine corps happy fun ball sorry dave i'm afraid i can't do that my very educated mother blahblahblah

    2. Re:Rackmounts are terribly noisy. by scrote-ma-hote · · Score: 4, Funny
      oh my gosh how terrible the lameness filter is trying to foil my message, lowercase lowercase lowercase text text text text one two three four i love the marine corps happy fun ball sorry dave i'm afraid i can't do that my very educated mother blahblahblah
      You send spam too don't you? I thought i'd seen that before.
    3. Re:Rackmounts are terribly noisy. by TekGoNos · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Mod parent ... oh, he is already at 5.

      More seriously, I worked at a place where we had to test a new rack for our server farm.
      It was one (1) Dell rack and running in our office for two weeks or so ...
      While it was somewhat cool to have a rack in your office ;-), it was VERY noisy, we had problems to communicate. Whenever we switched it off, it was a huge relief.
      These things are build to run in a separated room, 24/7 under maximum load. So cooling is the first priority, while noise reduction is a non-issue.

      You definitly DONT want to be with multiple racks in the same room for long if you can avoid it.

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    4. Re:Rackmounts are terribly noisy. by John_Booty · · Score: 2, Informative

      Which model Shuttles have you dealt with?

      I've used three models: the original SV24 (Celeron, no heat pipe), the SN41G2 (AthlonXP 2500, heatpipe) and the SN45G (AthlonXP 3000, heatpipe).

      The SV24 is really noisy and high-pitched. But the other two are nearly silent. You may have been using an older BIOS, or had some funky BIOS settings, if you had noise troubles.... newer Shuttle BIOSs allow you to enable fan control that keeps the fans near-silent at normal temperatures. If you set the BIOS to have the fans at full blast 100% the time, yes, they're very noisy, but this doesn't need to be an issue with the proper BIOS version and/or settings. Newer Shuttles come with the BIOSes already updated and configured properly, so for somebody buying a Shuttle today, it's not an issue. :P

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  20. Don't *need* a rack by crmartin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It was a little bit of a surprise to me when I visited rackspace.com a year or so ago, but they have a very high density scheme with no racks to speak of. Instead, they get steel-wire shelves like these, put cheap x86 boxes -- they actually assembler their own from commodity parts, which certainly makes sense if you're setting up thousands of boxes as they do -- in minitowers on them, and cable them with conventional cables tied with plastic cable ties.

    Works great, relatively cheap, and you can do something else with the "rack" later if you want.

    1. Re:Don't *need* a rack by chrsbrwn · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, well, sometimes you get what you pay for :(

      Note that my experience comes from both working in a datacenter (a competitor to Rackspace, won't say who), and from having a home rack built out of that wire shelving. There are pros and cons to both sides.

      The biggest pro, of course, to the cheap white box and wire shelving way is the cheapness factor. The problem is that this is only an advantage while you have a lot of extra space in the data center. You can only get 9 or 12 white boxes in a rack stacked vertically, you can get 42 1U servers in a single rack. 3 times the density, basically. Plus, in my experience with our legacy cheap whiteboxes, they are far more likely to have hardware failures (power supply, motherboard, etc.) than the higher class hardware (mostly IBM, some Dell and HP). Hard drives fail in everything, but the whiteboxes are a pain in the ass to take apart to replace them. The rackmount servers open right up, and everything is right there where you can get to it. Also, the nonserver motherboards and bioses that were put in the whitebox have various issues with our automated build systems (varying NICs, some supporting PXE boot, some not, different array controllers, etc). You can control some of this by buying the same parts from the same vendors, but consumer systems don't have the build stability that server oriented systems do. Even if you are buying exactly the same model, you can find components (and drivers!) changing from one revision to the next depending on where the manufacturer got the best deal.

      Now, as to the home environment, like I said, I have a wire shelf rack, with a bunch of different stuff on it (Suns, PCs, Powermacs). The main reason I am probably going to buy a real rack for the new house I just bought is flexibility. You can't easily move shelves around or add shelves to one of those wire units without taking the whole thing apart. If you only have tower systems, all exactly the same height, this is probably not a big deal. You just make all the shelves the right space for the tower systems, and leave them in place. But if you have a mix of stuff, and you want to maximize your space usage, you really want to put stuff horizontal, each on a separate shelf. This is when a real rack comes into its own. There are a variety of shelves available (some that slide out, some statically mounted, etc). Adding or moving a shelf is just a matter of 4 or 6 bolts. Most server class hardware has available rackmount addons (all of my Suns do). Another factor is cable management, currently I have a mess of wires all velcroed together... good racks come with cable management built in, and it is usually fairly cheap to add to a rack afterwards even if it doesn't come with it. And note that if you shop on ebay, or can find a good local remarketer/recycler (one who buys stuff from closing companies), then rackmount hardware and even the racks can actually be cheaper than buying wire shelving brand new. My 7 foot tall wire shelving unit cost me $350 to build... I have seen full racks, with side panels and everything, for $150 or so on ebay. What kills on these things is the shipping, so finding a local remarketer or ebay seller like another poster mentioned is definitely a good idea. You could double the price of a rack with the shipping charges.

  21. Rackmount @ home = bad idea. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Rack mounted PCs are not built for home use. Their cooling fans are deafening, so if you don't live alone you'll either have to sacrifice a room to them and keep the door shut (which then might lead to cooling issues), or risk driving your housemates insane. You' be better off buying a few small form-factor systems, like Shuttles or a small ATX case with only the drive bays and slots that you plan to use.

    You could also go the virtual machine route and buy one extremely tricked-out machine and a copy of Virtual PC. Microsoft appears to be using it for multi-machine setups when they send out training and demo CDs now, so having several real PCs to do testing and training is no longer necessary.

  22. 4 post racks... by MrChuck · · Score: 5, Informative
    I have a couple data center racks (no, thank you ebay). proper 4 post 19" racks.

    They provide a fair amount of silence too (a bit of foam along the sides where it doesn't obstruct air flow dampens it a lot.

    There's a switch, a terminal server, a patch panel, a router (IOS testing mostly), and 7 computers.

    The patch panel is new and GLORIOUS. It means I have all the serial ports and network ports and ports for the rest of the house in one panel.

    3 of these computer have rack ears. I found rack sliders, put 3/4" ply between them to make a pull out shelf and have a couple Sparc20s, a NeXT and an SGI sitting sideways on them. beneath is another shelf with 2 tower cases sitting there.

    Why not all rackable computers? mainly cost. An $80 case with an enermax or antec power supply (I'll *only* use Antec, but enermax was acceptable when it came with the case. The rest are crap. 5V should not be 4.6V when the graphics card get hammered). 2U rack cases (cheaper than 1U cause you get a bit of headroom and can use regular RAM) cost several hundred. The ones I have I got from a dot com moving from dozens of random machines to dozens of the same damn machines. I won; they became maintainable.

    I like 4 post racks. The shelves made it easy to put stuff in. Relay racks (just the front ears) work for many people to. If you have another room for the 'puters, then you can consider it. Shouldn't cost more then 120 Euro really.

    Make your own
    Any pro audio store (PA systems, not CD players) can tell you where to get rack rails. All my pro audio gear was rackable and I have several 4U (not deep enough for 'puters) road cases. So go buy a pair or 3' tall rails and build a nice box out of HEAVY ply. It will meet all your needs. If not, any carpenter should be able to build you a box for a few quid.

    1. Re:4 post racks... by michaeln · · Score: 2, Interesting

      (reposted from an old Ask Slashdot on almost the same topic)

      I needed a cabinet that I could use to house a server, a hub, and my stereo. I used plywood for the bottom, top, and two sides. I used oak for the facing to reinforce it, and left the back open. I wanted something presentable so I used biscuits and wood glue to hold it all together.

      I bought a pair of rails from MilesTek and for the back rails I used aluminum from Home Depot and drilled my own holes. In retrospect, that was a bad idea, you'll save yourself a lot of trouble by just buying two sets of rails. It's good to have a solid metal frame built before trying to attach it to the wood part.

      It's not quite finished yet, I plan to either use glass or perforated metal for the door.

      Here here is a picture.

      If you don't care about aesthetics, it would be a lot less trouble to buy something from Ebay or a government auction.

  23. Go mini. by supabeast! · · Score: 4, Informative

    I spent some time looking at this found found a few flaws in using standard rackmount systems at home. First, the damned things are long; often extending to the full 36" deep that a standard IT rack holds. Rackmount systems are also very noisy, because they incorporate small high-speed fans.

    For home systems, you would be much better off just using mini-itx. For some ideas, take a look at http://www.mini-itx.com.

    Another option to consider is XBoxes, especially if you're handy with a soldering iron and can install mod chips yourself. Buy it for $150, add some extra RAM if you need it.

  24. Ghetto Rack baby by Hardwyred · · Score: 5, Informative

    When we did our house, I had a choice. We could afford a rack, or a few ebay rack mount cases (the 30 dollar 4u jobbies that were around a little bit ago). We went with the cases and I built a rack out of 2x4s and 1x2s

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    1. Re:Ghetto Rack baby by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Best solution posted yet. Exactly what I did to fit my couple of rackmount servers, switches and UPS.

      Except I went the next step, and got two squirrel cage blowers (low speed, low noise), encased it with plywood, used some of that foam with the ridges on the inside (with enough room on the sides for some airflow), made some zig-zaging baffles with plywood, and lined them with that foam (the bottom two feet are baffles and fan space, with two sets of baffles on the top--there's also a regular furnace filter installed in the bottom. Very nice to keep all of the dust and shit out), and had the local glass guys order me a tripple pane window that would fit the front. Painted the result OD green, and put some of the Korea era jeep stickers on it, very badass looking.

      I went the extra way because those damn rackmount servers are damn loud. No, actually the switches are louder. But anyway, it's in the basement, and despite being in another room, it could be heard in the entertainment area, which was unacceptable. It's pretty much silent, now, the most that can be heard is the moving air, which is just a little breeze (but it's pretty warm!) I haven't studied the airflow, but it seems to keep everything cool enough.

  25. Do we need this kind of humor here? by ObviousGuy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We geeks are not the most loved of social groups. A lot of this has to do with our condescending attitude towards less intelligent non-geeks, personal hygiene, and general social antipathy. Also evident in geek behavior is a strong misogynistic stream that infuses our vocabulary and humor with words and phrases that degrade women as a social group.

    On an individual basis, you'll find that most geeks are not this way and in fact have female friends whom they see as neither a sexual object nor as a lower form of life. Most geeks are also socially adept, physically active, as well as capable of striking up a conversation with members of the opposite sex (or same sex for those who may be homosexual).

    However the stereotype remains. I believe that this stereotype is reinforced by comments of this sort that takes a very simple request for "rack mounted computers" and turns it into a joke about female breasts. Not only is the joke unfunny, it is offensive to those of us who work hard in the offline world to build an image of the typical geek as a hard worker, community-minded citizen, and generally good person.

    The parent comment took no thinking on the poster's part and was apparently the first thing he thought of when he saw the question. This kind of geek whose thinking has become as anti-women as this is exactly the kind of anti-geek-community person that brings the rest of us down. I ask the moderators to take the long view and think about what kind of image of geekdom they wish to present to the world when they moderate the parent comment.

    Thanks for reading this far. I've had to get this off my chest for a long time.

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    1. Re:Do we need this kind of humor here? by I+Be+Hatin' · · Score: 3, Funny
      ...rant deleted...

      Thanks for reading this far. I've had to get this off my chest for a long time.

      Don't you mean: I've had to get this off my rack for a long time?

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    2. Re:Do we need this kind of humor here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      There's also a stereotype that geeks have no sense of humor and get really hung up on tiny details.

    3. Re:Do we need this kind of humor here? by RollingThunder · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I 100% guarantee you that the Marketing, Sales, and other "normal" guys would have turned it into a breast joke FASTER than geeks would.

    4. Re:Do we need this kind of humor here? by commie_coder · · Score: 3, Insightful

      i agree we don't need this sort of humour here, but for different reasons. to protect the image of geeks? i'm indifferent on that score. the reason i think this humour sucks: because women are oppressed.

  26. Rackmount is a bad idea for this by Zenin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Aside from the "kewl" factor, rack mount systems for the job described will be very expensive, underpowered, incredibly noisy, and of limited expandability. This is mostly because if you're talking about saving space you pretty much have to be talking about 1U systems, which sacrifice a lot for their form factor (thinness).

    What's a better plan?

    I'd recommend Shuttle mini-PCs or similar (a few makes are available now). Hugely cheaper then rackmount, much quieter, better expansion (two or three internal hard drives if you don't use floopy or CDROM), and honestly SMALLER then 1U systems. Remember as thin as 1U systems are they are 19" wide (before you add the rack which adds a few more) and are typically very deap (20+ inches often). They are also much heavier then Shuttle systems. Furthermore, so long as you stay away from the mini-ITX based brands (Via, yuck!) they have every wiz-bang feature you could ask from a full size PC (duel channel DDR400, hyperthreading, USB 2.0, Gigabit lan, firewire, etc, etc) built in (see the Shuttle X in particular).

    You'll have a much easier time moving three of these small boxes around (get a small carry-on suitcase) then a 4U rack case, and your ears will thank you.

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  27. Not really true, check their catalogs... by name_already_taken · · Score: 3, Informative
    You're thinking of an effects rack. There are pro audio rack cases that are plenty deep enough.

    I have a JBL rackmount amplifier sitting in my living room right now and it's over 22" deep.

    Most pro audio rack case manufacturers make cases that are deep enough to accommodate most rack mount PC systems.

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  28. Consider vmware.. by RedPhoenix · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I have a P3-700 box that currently has three Linux, a Win2k, a WinXP and a Win2003 partition running under VMWare.

    Heck of a lot nicer than having to worry about the noise, heat and space requirements for the 6 physical systems I would require.

    May be worth considering.. Disk space can be managed reasonably well, and as I am only actively using one (or perhaps two) systems at any one moment in time, each box claws it's way out of swap into real-memory pretty quickly and provides pretty reasonable interactive performance.

    Red.

  29. Re:Rack? by crackshoe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    On the other hand, they're easy enough to salvage. I have 2 nice full height racks with power at the bottom and 1 without, all rescued from the dumpster (well, they hadn't quite gone in yet, but were about to) from a company closing its east coast branch. Other friends have built them (although mostly for audio)

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  30. Try Wal-Mart by rustycage · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wal-Mart has a selection of rack mount severs. Look pretty cheap to me.

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    1. Re:Try Wal-Mart by bhtooefr · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's for the motherboard, PSU, case, and MAYBE optical drives. No CPU, no RAM, no HDD - those are underneath the server's link.

    2. Re:Try Wal-Mart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      I sense a great disturbance in the force...As if a thousand network admins spontaneously burst into flames and Sam Walton again walked the earth.

      *shudder*

  31. Re:Rack? by cmacb · · Score: 2, Informative

    Your link no workee.

    I find these systems interesting though:

    http://mini-itx.com/

    Hoping if and when I feel the need for a new computer I'll get one of these with an old enough processor that I can do with little or no fan.

  32. Re:Rack? by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 2, Funny

    Maintenence costs WAY too high on that model..

  33. Syncronicity strikes again! by Cervantes · · Score: 4, Informative

    Talk about timely... I just installed my rack-mount at home this weekend. :)

    Now, admittedly, it's a fully enclosed lan case, but still...

    I got lucky with mine, in that I work for a company that sells all types of office supplies, including PC stuff, and I got the 6.5' beast for all of $10(CDN)... but I have seen them floating around for relatively cheap prices, especially as offices move and go for freestanding racks instead of enclosed cases.

    Why an enclosed case? Noise is the big one. It's just worth it to have as much soundproofing as possible when you're running multiple PCs. It also looks cleaner, stopping prospective nerd-chicks from saying "I was going to do you, but your wires are all messy!". And, finally, it allows for nifty modding (word to the wise: If you're going to cut holes in the 2mm steel side with a Dremel, be sure to wear non-flamible clothing. A, uh, friend told me... yeah).

    For cases... well, I considered getting a few 2U cases... but then I thought of noise, and cost, and it just wasn't worth it. I'm just now (literally, just took a break to let the dust clear) building my own cases our of 1/2" wood. Given the size of my rack and how I'm laying things out, I'll end up with 19" x 19.5" x 6" cases, more than enough to hold a full ATX board, 2 CDs and 2 HDs (and floppy [the drive, not the rabbit]). If you didn't need many externals, you could fit 2 ATX boards in there.

    Cooling? I'm buying an 80CFM, 0.5 Sone air transfer fan... I'll hook all the cases up via dryer venting and PVC pipe, and the only noise in my entire case will be this one uber-quiet fan, and 1 PSU per case (which is made of sound-dampening wood). As I figure to max out at 3 cases, I expect excellent quietness.

    Access? I hinged the side door of the case for easy access, and my case layout has all the hookups on the side of the case, not the back. Much easier when, say, you want to change mouse cables, or hook up a USB device. Sure, you think you won't do much, but whether it's rack or case, do you really want to be fiddling around back trying to plug a cable in without unplugging the other 150?

    Interface? Forget rack-mount monitors and keyboards... get a KVM. They're cheap, easy, and I've had very few problems with any I've used. At high res they do ghost occasionally, but I only notice it now when I look for it. I'm currently using an Avocent Switchview 4-port, and it has behaved itself quite well. (Don't get a manual switch... autos are just all around better).

    Overall, though it was a bitch to get here and get fixed up, I'm already happy now that it's in place. Instead of having 3 PCs with 2-3 fans each, 2 laptop docking stations sitting behind me looking ugly, and all my networking EQ sitting with it's wires hanging out, I have 1 fashionable case, with blacklights and other esoteric touches, that my cats can't run through and knock over, my roommates can't fiddle with, and no-one complains about unattractive PC equipment. It's quieter, more convenient, and damnit, it just looks cool!

    The bottom line? Don't bother with rack rails and expensive, ugly cases and your wires flopping out in the breeze.... pick up a full rack case and build your own boxen. And remember, it gives you the best pick-up line a nerd could ever ask for... "Hey baby, wanna see my huge LAN rack?"

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  34. Why not stack a few XBox's... by thx2001r · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That way, you've got as many as you want, $150 each, running Linux... life is good! Get a decent switch and away you go! And, they don't take up too much room or make too much noise... just get a table and stack 'em.

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  35. Power Supplies by Dark+Bard · · Score: 4, Informative

    I notice you mentioned switching the power supplies. Do be careful when you come to the States. I did a location in New Zealand and took my systems with me. I asked around and everyone said no problem switching the power supplies from 110 to 220. When I hooked everything up it fried two out of three motherboards and cooked one CPU. When I came back to the States I didn't take any chances and switched the power supplies. Power supplies are a lot cheaper than motherboards. I'd do it and call it cheap insurance. For under a hundred bucks US you can swap off three power supplies if you do the work yourself.

  36. It stars out innocent... by telemonster · · Score: 5, Funny

    It starts out innocently... then another rack, then another...

    Old pic:
    old picture

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    1. Re:It stars out innocent... by stor · · Score: 3, Funny

      I like this one

      If I started doing rack-mount in my house, I'd end up with that. I simply have to restrict the number of concurrently-running computers in my place to retain any semblance of a sane environment.

      Often the first thing a woman says when she walks into my apartment (usually with a matter-of-fact-but-obviously-unimpressed tone): "Gee, you have a lot of wires".

      Cheers
      Stor

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  37. Don't Rackmount: Stackmount... by nweaver · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You sound like the perfect candidate for a small-form-factor arrangement, either a couple of Via Epia systems in very small boxes, or low end Shuttle cubes.

    This gives a nice compromise: Much lower cost (racks are expensive), LESS volume in practice (Racks are DEEP, its hard to find a deep storage closet, but small form factor systems may be taller but aren't as deap), and easily available.

    True, reliability isn't as good, but you aren't talking about ultra-reliable systems anyway, and you said you didn't need high performance.

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  38. I've got one by silentrob · · Score: 2, Insightful

    24Us of rack space. I recommend anything by Middle Atlantic. Solid construction, good quality. My 24U cost approx $600 (they don't seem to get much cheaper, new that is).

    Bit of advice, though... You might seriously reconsider building a rack. I've only filled up a little over half the available space, and now that the novelty of 'having a rack' has worn off, I'm thinking about selling it and all the racked PCs that I don't use.

    In other words, don't go through with it unless you have a strong need for it now and in the future. The rack equipment is expensive, as is the rack mountable cases.

  39. Why not go VM? by nurb432 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Instead of 3 separate boxes ( with their associated power issues, OS issues, maintenance, etc ) to deal with, just get one really nice one.. and run VMware on it..

    It should be cheaper, for a home user.. and has other advantages as well. Such as easy manageability, quickly recovering blown systems after a bad test, changing OS's on the fly..

    Just make sure to get tons of RAM ( which is cheaper then an entire machine )

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  40. Why Not. by tarballedtux · · Score: 2, Funny

    I don't see why this is such a bad idea. Especially if they can be set up as mainframe to a bunch of dumb terminals spread throughout the house. It is only natural that the ways of corporations 30 years ago be used in the home today.

    --tarballedtux

  41. Yeah get.. by myowntrueself · · Score: 2, Interesting

    a Dell rack system.

    Don't forget to ask them about the complimentary ear protectors.

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  42. Free 20U rack on wheels, pick up only by LinuxHam · · Score: 5, Informative

    Eastern Pennsylvania. Any day, any time. You gotta help drag it out. Contact me. Bring a pickup truck. Used to house ooooooold DECtalk gear. Still has 1 4U DECtalk unit installed, if you ever wanted to do text-to-voice with DTMF readback over 8 phone lines at once.

    I also am a strong proponent of virtualization if possible. I'm up to about 15 virtual machines running under VMWare ESX, and I started a new box intended to run Linux VMs using usermode linux. Now that "virtualization" is a key buzzword for 2004, I don't think I'll ever get around to populating the rack with gear. Get it out of my house.

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  43. Low Cost Rack Mount -- for two systems by kd3bj · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you want two systems in 2U of rack space, the lowest cost way to go is a 2UX2 case. You can use standard processors and cooling fans. Standard ATX power supply, etc... No CD-ROM, but you can use USB for media.

  44. My two cents by value_added · · Score: 4, Informative

    1. Rackmount equipment generally costs more.

    2. The space you'll save is directly proportional to the extra airflow (read "fans") you'll need. The smaller the unit and/or the more stuff inside each unit, the more fans you'll need and the more noise you'll end up with.

    3. A 4U unit is about the same size as a tower PC. Invariably, a 4U is designed to use more fans than a typical tower PC and as a result will be noisier. A typical 2U unit is designed with 3 mid-case fans, and an exhaust fan (in addition to the fans on the power supply fan and the processor). Swap out all the fans for the quietest replacements you can buy, and you'll still end up with something you'll want to put in another room or far away from where you work.

    4. Rack enclosures are expensive. Audio racks and relay racks, while cheaper, are NOT appropriate for any number of reasons. You can, however, find budget or used enclosures (still not cheap), just as you can design your own (a week in the garage). Rack accessories are also expensive. You can find a Slashdot article on the subject of enclosures here.

    If by home use, you're implying you intend to put everything in a specially-ventilated and sound-proofed closet or recording-studio grade enclosure, another room, or basement, I'd say go for it. If not, you'll regret it.

  45. On Topic Response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Just buy a 4 foot painted aluminum 19" open telco rack. Put heavy duty rubber casters on it. Install an APC SmartUPS 1200XL RM in the bottom of the rack . . . will keep the rack from tipping over. Tie the rack to the power ground of the feed to the UPS for static dissipation. You can then rack-up three or four 19" rackmount cases, with plenty of room to spare for a rackmount ethernet switch or a router at the top.

    We use them at all of our ISP POP locations.

    1. Re:On Topic Response by aminorex · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Don't forget to ground each case independently.

      Man o mister, ground loops suck to debug.

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  46. I've done it...here's some advice by tyrani · · Score: 5, Informative

    My home rack has been working great.

    First, be carefull about where you put it. Mine is tucked away under the stairs in the basement. A 19" rack fit perfecly in the closet that I built around it. I have an automatic dehumidfier and some (motherboard based hacked) temperature sensors, and a bathroom ventalation fan. When I'm in the basement, I can't hear anything at all.

    Next, buy yourslef a CAT 5 KVM Extender. It is absolutly indespensable. I very rarely have to go down to manually press a button and the KVM extender has eliminated the need for an expensive rack mount keyboard and monitor. I just have a cheap KVM switch connected to my family rig in the den.

    I agree with other posters, go buy a 4U rackmount case and make sure that you have at least a couple of rack mount shelves for routers and other misc stuff.

    The neighbours all know that I work as a geek, but showing them my Rack when they come over demonstrates that I live like one too :)

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    1. Re:I've done it...here's some advice by maw · · Score: 3, Funny
      rejected (19) accepted (0)
      Is there a psychological term related to getting your stories rejected on slashdot?

      "literate"

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    2. Re:I've done it...here's some advice by maw · · Score: 2, Funny

      It wasn't meant to be a negative comment on your writing. Viz, you write too coherently; therefore your submissions are rejected. :)

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  47. Is it worth it? by talieos · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Racks tend to be large, ugly and noisy. Plus the racks and cases are expensive.

    Consider getting desktop cases and putting them in a cheap stereo cabinet?

    Some of the new mini-atx, and smaller cases from Antec (like the Minuet) and Shuttle would be quiet and fit the bill.

  48. Re:Rack? by fractalrock · · Score: 2, Informative

    It wasn't a link, it was a URL. And it worked just fine more me, after removing the (accidental?) space in "description". Here is the link...

  49. My recommendation: A4F 19-1HE by j.leidner · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Hi,

    I can only fully recommend the Mappit A4F 19-1HE , which comes in a black chassis ready for a 19" rack. I bought my first one recently, and it's doing a great job. This box is ideal for servers run in private homes, since they are low-energy consumption (low-$$ when run 24/7 like mine) and low-noise (can live in a corner of your living-room without being noticed).

    It's built by a German company, but they shipped it to the UK quickly and hassle-free, so they might as well ship to the US.

    A friend of mine, who had first recommended the Mappit series to me, runs a set of smaller ones. All solid metal cases, and Linux/BSD installed easily (no 'Microsoft tax').

    > Rackmount? For 3 pcs? Something small? ... ATX!

    Yes and yes -- luckily, that's not a contradiction at all.

    Happy Easter, all!

    Jochen
  50. Use Mid-towers by gvc · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I run a couple of dozen PCs with a couple of terabytes using garden-variety mid-tower cases sitting on 2 parallel steel shelving units with an aisle in between.

    The backs of the machines are to the aisle and I have a common keyboard/monitor/mouse setup with long extension cables that I swap as necessary.

    I run Linux so I only need the keyboard and console in exceptional circumstances. If I were forced to run Windows, I would use VNC and a similar setup.

    Each machine has 4 ATA hard drives and no CD. For system setup, I do a network install initiated from a floppy. All other maintenance is over the network.

    While this setup is a little bit clumsier than a rack system might be, it is far cheaper because it is built 100% from commodity components.

  51. Been there, do this... by $ASANY · · Score: 3, Informative
    Rackmounts are great. My linux server/router is in a 2U rackmount enclosure, and I'm pleased with the form factor, the extra fans, and the huge amount of space available for hard drives. Since most network cards are half-height, it's no problem to put multiple ethernet cards in the box. What made this easier was that this case was something I got on eBay -- it had been a load balancer and had multiple RJ-45 connectors on the front. Rather handy for my purposes.

    Rackmounts of the 1U and 2U variety are handy when you can get them with the connections in the places you need them. Most have connections in the back, which for a geek is a bit of a pain since it means moving stuff around a lot every time we need to change something. A few have some important connections (or all of them) in the front, which makes for supreme ugliness but really handy to work on. Other than that, you need to pay attention to the size of the expansion cards you plan on putting in, as a riser card (to allow full-size cards in a 1U or 2U case) can often be more expensive than the cards you're planning to install.

    At 4U cases and larger, it's pretty much the same size of a regular case in a horizontal configuration and at a fair premium over a standard case. Rarely are there any additional features other than for cooling. Unless there's a need for hot-swappable drives or something like that, it's not terribly useful.

    Remember that 1U and 2U cases tend to be a fair amount deeper than a standard case, which yields somewhat about the same case volume as a cheaper standard case. So unless you have depth available with how you want to set it up, it can case trouble. But if you need to stack things up, stuff someting next to ceiling joists, or have a dedicated 19-inch width area for electronics, you're not saving yourself much. When that's the case though, this is a really great solution.

    And it looks cool too. My $400 linux server/router sitting in a box that says "Intel NetStructure Traffic Director", which probably cost ten times that much. I feel like someone who has a car kit where they turn a VW bug into something that looks like a street rod.

  52. The surplus market is your friend... by KC7GR · · Score: 4, Informative

    The used/surplus market can really be your friend once you get to the States. Some areas are better supplied than others. For example, the Seattle area has RE-PC, which bills itself as the largest used/recycled computer place in the northwest (probably true -- I've not found any other computer surplus place in the region quite so large). I see rackmount cases and parts turn up there all the time, at both the retail locations, and the prices are generally pretty cheap.

    The SF Bay Area part of California has a generous supply of used electronics and computer places too numerous to list in any detail here. At the risk of load-testing my web server, I have a page at this link that lists all the Bay Area surplus places that I knew of as of my last (annual) trip to the area in 2003.

    I would, however, like to point out one place in particular in the Bay Area. Weird Stuff Warehouse has to be seen to be believed, though their prices can be a little on the high side, IMO.

    I also have store and swap meet listings for the Puget Sound region and the metro Portland area of Oregon.

    Outside of the retail surplus scene, amateur ("ham") radio swap meets can also be excellent sources of such parts. I bought my original rack case from one of the Bay Area events back in 2000, and it is still serving me well today. You can search for hamfests close to whatever area you'll be moving to at this link.

    I hope that helps. Rackmount stuff is great fun, and scrounging for it (and other parts) even more so. Definitely part of the "Tinkerer's Spirit."

    Enjoy your travels.

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  53. Blade Center by jargoone · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Take a look at IBM's Blade Center. While it might be overkill for your application, they have a number of strong suits. You can fit up to 14 system boards in the chassis, each having 2 CPUs. The chassis itself is a 7U unit, which is quite small considering what you can put into it. It has a dedicated system management system. And the best part is the cost -- the chassis will set you back at first, but the system boards are quite reasonable after that. There's a refurbed one on eBay that has the chassis with 7 system boards, each having dual Xeon 2.0Ghz, at $9,800 Buy It Now. A lot of money, yes, but trust me, you can pay more than that for a single low-end 1U unit new from IBM.

  54. OP: Consider used laptops or better yet, VMware by Glonoinha · · Score: 4, Informative

    Rack mounted hardware is hideously expensive to begin with, not to mention fairly ugly. If you honestly need discrete hardware for testing the system I would suggest considering used laptops (or even new laptops), get several identical units. Benefits of laptops over rack mounted hardware :
    Built in battery backup.
    Discrete hardware so you can use it like a regular computer.
    Very quiet, low power consumption.
    Reasonably priced compared to 19" rack mount machines.
    Get a spare hard drive and carrier and the laptop serves double duty as a personal laptop simply by swapping out the drive.
    Stacks easily.

    You can get new Dell laptops for under a grand apiece including upgraded hard drives and memory.

    That said, I suggest you give VMware a serious look. It has a 30 day shareware trial version (full feature) and will let you run multiple virtual machines on the same computer - memory limited to 1G across all the VMs on one physical machine (ie you could run four 256M machines or two 512M machines or eight 128M machines at the same time, or mix and match.) Networking is emulated very well, as far as the virtual machines are concerned they are all real machines on your network, in fact all the real machines on your net will treat them like real machines also.

    Total cost for VMware = $300 for the software and enough to fill your existing computer with another Gig of memory. If you are doing prototyping or experimental work it is really something worth looking into.

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    1. Re:OP: Consider used laptops or better yet, VMware by Sad+Loser · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Definitely the way to go: I used to use just laptops for the same problem - now I use my own laptop with VMWare - that way I can devleop stuff at work/ home/ university.

      The other big plus is that if your virtual machine falls over in a big way, you just load up a new virtual machine, and away you go.
      It also solves the problem about testing with multiple client OS's.

      I certainly agree that you need shedloads of memory - 1 Gig is the minimum to run a couple of guest VMs and a host OS without your machine swapping all the time.

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    2. Re:OP: Consider used laptops or better yet, VMware by 88autocross · · Score: 5, Informative

      Instead of making stupid comments regarding VMWare or laptops, here is something that will actually help you out. I just completed my rack a few months ago. Building a home rack is not that expensive but you will need to look around because most of the rackmount products are business oriented and they seem to be more expensive. Here are the links to the stuff I used. Some of the prices may be slightly off (previous slashdot post) but you should be able to track down most of the stuff. I do agree with the posts regarding the 1U servers it will be much easier for you to stick with 2U and up servers, the extra space makes it much easier and cheaper to work with. Some of the links are not quite working (l-com and bestbuy) but I think it is from problems on the vendors website, hopefully they will work tomorrow or I will post new links.

      Relay rack 38U steel, with base (should fit under a doorway with casters)
      129.00 - Rack
      60.00 - Base(Freestanding Application)
      40.00 - Casters

      Rackmount Computer Case
      130.00 - Computer Case
      30.00 - Power Supply (300 Watt)

      LCD / KVM Switch / Mounting (need to make custom rack mount for LCD Swivel)
      1200.00 - LCD Monitor (21")
      41.49 - LCD Swivel [cyberguys.com]
      119.95 - Rack Mount KVM (8 Port)
      18.99 - KVM Cables [techdepot.com]

      Rack Mount UPS
      249.99 - UPS 1500VA CyberPower 1500AVR(free shipping from BestBuy, easy to return if problems, not cheapest price)

      Hope that helps,
      Jad

    3. Re:OP: Consider used laptops or better yet, VMware by jezreel · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm using a similar case, probably an older version, and had a pretty hard time to stuff 4 hdds and a DVD-RW in it, definitely no more space left then. Consider that before you buy ;)

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    4. Re:OP: Consider used laptops or better yet, VMware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Rack mounted hardware is hideously expensive to begin with, not to mention fairly ugly.

      Cheap hardware is hideous and prone to not ever working properly, this is why rackmount servers use decent boards, memory and drive controllers. Desktops are ugly, I gave up and went rackmount after 3.

      Benefits of laptops over rack mounted hardware [...]

      Laptops don't use regular hardware, are not designed to be stacked (hint: this is why rack systems were invented), are a pain to service and are hideously overpriced.

      You can get new Dell laptops for under a grand apiece including upgraded hard drives and memory.

      Or a brand new bottom end rack unit for 500, even a 64bit box for just over a grand!

      One of the datacenters I've written code for runs dual 1u dual XEON racks for it's back end. I don't really think VMware cuts the mustard when it comes to emulating dual processor SCSI RAID boxes, for database work. Good luck with your laptops!

    5. Re:OP: Consider used laptops or better yet, VMware by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 2, Interesting

      To save money the company I work for bought a couple of dells and runs 8 VMWare machines each - it means we can offer 'dell hosting' to our clients but it's dirt cheap. We have racks but we'd need a lot more if we had to use real machines to do the work (Yes it's unethical but cheap is important to that company.. they told me to bootleg devpartner and gave me a week to do it rather than pay for a copy to solve a bug - which was holding up a $300,000 contract... go figure).

      I'd expect for a home machine one box with lots of memory would be cheap and do the job unless you're running really CPU intensive tasks.

    6. Re:OP: Consider used laptops or better yet, VMware by andrewa · · Score: 2, Informative

      Thanks, that's very detailed info. Individual systems, rather than VMWare is certainly the way I want to go, as there will be a lot of CPU intensive processes, also I want to do some physical testing (such as pulling cables to see reactions, etc.) so for me, real sytems will be better.

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    7. Re:OP: Consider used laptops or better yet, VMware by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 3, Informative

      www.halted.com

      They just had some $99 4U atx cases, and $50 2U cases (with PS no less).

    8. Re:OP: Consider used laptops or better yet, VMware by icedtang · · Score: 2, Informative

      I really do not understand how the VMWare option could be called stupid. Not only does VMWare make software testing easier, you only need to have one machine to power on and maintain.
      With VMWare you don't need to re image your whole computer when you want to start things over again. I have been using VMWare GSX since version 1.0.1, and have found that testing software on VMWare has saved me a lot of time and effort. With the ability to take snapshots, have non-persistent hard drives, and being able to start everything over just by copying a few files makes me thing VMWare is perfect for this kind of thing.
      The only stupid thing here is to not be aware of your options.

    9. Re:OP: Consider used laptops or better yet, VMware by NecroBones · · Score: 4, Informative

      I've been doing the rackmount thing at home for nearly a year now, and I have to agree, it can actually be very cost effective if you shop around and considering getting some of your components off of eBay.

      I've found a nice cheap source of basic rackmount cases/chassis at http://www.plinkusa.net/

      I'm fond of this chassis: http://www.plinkusa.net/web2025.htm

      It's 2U but still accepts a standard ATX PSU, and is only $137 after adding shipping and rails. You can very easily fit standard desktop components into this formfactor. The only flaw is that the two internal fans in the med-section of the case have circular holes in the chassis that aare cut in such a way as to produce a loud whine. If you cut the remaining metal out with a case-cutter tool (or dremel or something) and replace it with a basic fan-guard, it'll run quietly.

      They also offer very inexpensive 4U cases, and some attractive 3U models that still accept a full compliment of upright PCI slots.

      For KVM, shelves, and other accessories, eBay has been my friend. Mildly used parts can often be had for significantly cheaper than retail, such as the rackmount surge-protector I managed to find, nearly new, for about 80% off of the retail value.

      As for the UPS, I would always buy APC. They're simply the best. I've had nothing but troubles with the few Cyberpower UPSs I've worked with. Granted, they were the desktop models, but after having them fail within weeks *repeatedly*, I vowed never to buy a CyberPower again. I went with a 1500VA 2U APC SmartUPS, brand new... Pricy, yes... But very capable.

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    10. Re:OP: Consider used laptops or better yet, VMware by Glonoinha · · Score: 2, Informative

      Instead of making stupid comments regarding VMWare or laptops

      Wow - I don't know you so I'm going to play the Hanlon card and not attribute that to malice.

      That said, if I was dead set on going with rack mount gear I would consider a Blade Server. I had a hardon for these a year or two ago when they first hit the scene but there was no way I could justify the price - but this discussion has prompted me to check eBay for Blade Servers The second hand market has picked up a little and the individual Blades are actually fairly cheap - under $500 for new in the package old stock with some running under $350. You will also need a Blade enclosure to stick them in. Sounds about exactly like what the OP was interested in ... in fact I may consider some for myself.

      I guess if you are going to put in a rack, might as well do it up right and get some of the toys like a Blade Server and what have you. Hell, throw a Gig of memory in each of these and run VMware on them, get the best of both worlds.

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  55. Rack Mounted PCs for the Home User? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I got lucky. A company I had connections to
    dumped a bunch of older equipment, and I managed
    to get a very nice full size rack, for free!

    that said...

    rack stuff is more expensive, though it's getting
    less so.

    put the rack on casters, and make sure that they
    are rated to carry the weight of your rack
    maxed out with equipment.

    I love this. Combined with hard floors, it
    makes it very easy to pull the rack away from
    the wall to make changes, or clean under it.

    *** Make sure the combined height is less
    than the doorway. This will allow you to
    move it out of the room for painting or other
    room maintenance. In fact, when I got the
    rack, I put my desk and two file cabinets on
    casters, too.

    Get rails for the cases. I leave the case lid
    screws off, too. Makes it very easy to slide
    out the cases and pop the lids for changes and
    maintenance.

    Be sure to make cables long enough to
    accomodate the length needed when the cases
    are fully pulled out.

    Tiewrap cables that can be pulled out,
    (i.e., usb, keyboard, mouse) to the back
    of the case to act as strain relief when
    sliding the case.

    Check the alignment of the rails that the
    equipment screws into, left to right, front
    to back. Use a couple of 2U blanks at the
    top and bottom.

    When I built my first rack case 5 or 6 years
    ago there weren't as many choices, seemingly,
    for manufacturers as now, and I over did it
    with a big Sliger. Since then I've built a
    couple more using Compute-Aid 4U boxen

    http://www.compute-aid.com/

    which are well built and fairly priced,
    though it's been of couple years since I checked
    them out.

    Heating isn't a problem with 4U cases.
    ATX mobo's leave plenty of room for chassis
    fans. Cases frequently can be ordered with
    a cross brace that accomodates additional
    chassis fans.

    Try and keep the heavy stuff near the bottom.
    For me, top to (near) bottom:
    ham radio stuff
    17" monitor for the router box
    (I'd love to change this to an lcd,
    but they're too much money)
    mini-keyboard for the router on sliding
    shelf
    1U shelf for the dsl box
    1U shelf for the 8 port hub
    workstation 4U box
    old workstation now file server 4U box
    router 4U box
    APC rackmount UPS (heaviest of all)

    That's all I can think of.

    Good luck

  56. so what by ModernGeek · · Score: 3, Informative

    I got a rackmount enclosure and some rackmount equipt, it's awsome despite the markups, find a good deal on eBay. My ProLiant 5000R and 24 port switch has all the guys at the lug envying me.

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  57. Re:Been there, done that, painted it metallic gree by cbreaker · · Score: 2, Informative

    Listen to this guy.

    Go with 4U rack mount cases. They are cheap, and easy. They will fit all your standard hardware out there.

    For the rack itself, they can be expensive new, but you can get them used often enough. Look on ebay and find one in your vicinity. My friend got a nice compaq 42U rack for cheap that way.

    If you can't wait, you could do as one has suggested and use a 19" audio rack. Just make sure it's deep enough; some audio racks aren't deep enough to fit some computer cases.

    If you're on the cheap, get yourself a cheapo belkin KVM and hook up a small monitor and get a cheap keyboard/mouse combo and put it in the rack on a rack shelf. After that, you can most likely do everything else over the network, so you shouldn't have to use it very much.

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  58. DRMO or surplus sales by pvera · · Score: 3, Informative

    Try the Defense Reutilization Marketing Office (DRMO), an agency that DoD uses to get rid of surplus equipment. All of the armed services use the standard 19" form factor and sometimes you can get lucky and find one at DRMO for very little money. You can probably refurbish one for the cost of a couple cans of paint, maybe a power strip and a couple fans.

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  59. SuperMicro Super Server by zerofoo · · Score: 2, Informative

    Supermicro makes super server barebone systems that are very nice. I've got a bunch here at home and at work.

    Check it out here.

    Building your own 1u box is a pain. Just try to find motherboards, power supplies and 1u cases that all work together. You'll find it is not easy. Intel makes some boards and cases that go well together, but they are pricey. A super server from supermicro includes:

    Case (1u, 2u, 3u,....and up)
    Power Supply (no reliablity problems so far)
    Floppy and CD-rom/DVD drives
    and
    Motherboard that fits the case correctly.

    All you need to do is add CPU(s), memory and hard drives. This way you can choose how much "horsepower" you need with out all the system integration hassles.

    Good luck.
    -ted

  60. Re:Rack? by barfarf · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I actually did this (url below - how do you turn this into an actual link?). I started out with actual rack systems in it, but the heat and electric bill that it generated in my 2 bedroom condo was a little much for me, so I ended up going with a few Shuttle cases.

    My rack cost ~$300-$350, IIRC.

    http://www.gadget-freak.com/setup.JPG

  61. check out gtweb. net by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    they make a 1RU 15 inch deep rack case (they'll build it out if you buy all the components from them). I think that the case is called a firewall case. I've got about a dozen of them that we built out a couple of years ago. They don't have much expansion room, but they work perfectly fine for what we use them for. They don't have a cd drive and only have one slot for a hard drive, but if you use the right components that shouldn't really matter, right?

  62. Alternative to racks by linuxbikr · · Score: 2, Informative
    If you just need a three or four PCs for simulating production environments, why not look at getting a bunch of Mini-PCs like the Shuttle XPC line. These boxes are the size of a toaster and sit comfortable on a good size desk. You could easily fit four of these little boxes on a desk along with a monitor, mouse and keyboard, a 4 port KVM and a small hub. Doesn't weigh a ton and it is a lot cheaper than a rack setup. Very compact too.

    I have a Shuttle XPC for gaming purposes fitted with an Athlon XP 2800+, 512MB RAM, a DVD-ROM and an 80GB hard disk. For full featured computing needs in a small package, you can't beat it.

  63. Re:Rack? by NanoGator · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Rack mounted system? I think Pamela Anderson might be a good investment to look at."

    Pamela Anderson? Oh wow, that brings back some mammories...

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  64. Supermicro by macdaddy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It really doesn't sound like you need to spring for a rackmount system. It will cost you more in the end if you go that route. Still, if you want to, I would not build your own system. You'll drop a couple hundred at least on a rackmount case and $50 to $100 on a PSU for it. The mobo will be at least $300 since it's a rack mount mobo and thus a server mobo. Add in the 1U CPUs and fans and possibly short DIMMs and you'll find you could have spent less money buying a complete system. I recommend you look into the SuperMicro line. They have dozens to choose from. I have a 6013P-T and love it. I bought might from Wendy @ Acmemicro also known as 8anet.com.

  65. Re:Rack? by keith_nt4 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Well I don't know if this would really be what you wanted, but you could use this idea: VCR Mod. You could install a system in a series of VCRs and stack them on top of each other. The only trick might be the air circulation.

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  66. Really Loud! by MichaelKaiserProScri · · Score: 4, Informative

    Also, keep in mind that most rack mountable computers are REALLY LOUD (think "idling jet engine loud). The smaller the "U" of the case, the louder it is. Those 1U and 2U cases are jam packed with all sorts of stuff that gets hot. They compensate for that with high flow fans and those fans are LOUD.

    Also rack mount cases for the "build it yourself" PC's cost $100 - $150 more than standard cases.

    The "gee-whiz" factor is great, though.

  67. Go old school! by bakuretsu · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The owner of a local ISP and collocation center that I'm friends with runs the whole operation out of his basement. He has a "rack" for all of his Cisco core routers and Sun Sparc systems (what you might call the infrastructure of the place), which he made by simply setting up two parallel 2x4 boards from the floor to the ceiling. They're secured to the floor with rivets (cement basement floor), and into the joists overhead with screws.

    Probably not the flashy solution you're after, but it holds the equipment perfectly and securely.

    It's actually quite funny to see that to your left, and to your right a full-on, professional, centrally-cooled Sun rack. His basement is geek heaven.

    It's NetPlex, by the way. Yes, he hosts a WinZip mirror.

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  68. My home rack setup... by OgGreeb · · Score: 4, Informative

    I operate a bunch of machines in a datacenter but do my sysadmin from home. As a result, I have a nice installation here, in a side room of my basement near my home office, connected to the Internet through a Covad T1.

    I use (2) 2-post relay racks from Great Lakes Case & Cabinet, they were ~$300 each. I bought 19" shelves, rack power strips and mini keyboards (that fit on a rack shelf) from Milestek (very inexpensive), and some used APC rack mount 1400W Smart-UPS (one per rack, mounted at the bottom). I did as others have done and built machines into 4U Siliconrax-Sliger SRCX475 rack cases. They are not quiet, but I haven't found them as noisy as others have mentioned.

    I used a 15" CRT for the KVM monitor (both because it was cheap and because, unlike flat panels, they will sync to many more video signals.). I'm using a Black Box ServManager KVM, and it works well, but I don't recommend it because you can do the same thing with cheaper equipment (Belkin). The relay racks are incredibly strong, and I've mounted quite a bit in them. Between the two racks I have several 1U switches, a firewall, the 4U ServManager KVM, a 15" Dell monitor I picked up cheap with the purchase of a server, keyboard, 7 mixed 4U and 1U machines, a 4U robotic tape jukebox, 3 2U power strips, and a 4U lockbox for storing loose bits. All the cables are run along the sides and behind the relay racks -- with a full installation I don't see the wires too much. The relay racks have the option of using casters, and while I didn't buy them, I recommend them to others -- it lets you roll the relay racks out to
    get behind them.

    I had an electrician run separate 15A circuits from my mains panel to each relay rack's UPS, and I also had him install a manual generator transfer switch and heavy-gauge cable to an outside junction box, so I can plug in my generator. (An aside -- if you are going to use a generator to keep things going in a blackout, put a cheap, low wattage light plugged into one of the UPS and turned off, so that it is available to be turned on so you can see what you are doing while switching over to generator and for general tinkering if the place you have your equipment doesn't have a light fixture.)

    It looks impressive to have everything mounted this way, and keeps everything tidy.

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  69. Added benefit of the rack case... by Ayanami+Rei · · Score: 3, Informative

    built in work-surface if it has sliding rails. Usually access to components is extremely easy. This is great if you're in hardware tinker mode.

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  70. Recycled story? (Yes) by dilute · · Score: 3, Informative
    The same article was posted in December.

    Here

    Deja voodoo.

  71. Re:Rack? by alcmaeon · · Score: 5, Informative
    There is nothing wrong with a rackmount for 3 PC's. In fact it makes sense if yuou have space considerations and if you don't want cables laying all over the place.

    My suggestion is that you look on ebay for a rack cabinet. I just bought two of them on there for $50.00 each. One was a Sun Storage Array which probably cost over $1,000.00 new. The other was some generic cabinet, but both are perfectly functional. The Sun is too large for the house, but the other easily fits in a closet I use for my servers.

    Cases can easily be found brand new on PriceWatch for under $100.00. Sometimes you can find them for under $70.00. You can also buy used cases on ebay fairly cheaply.

    One additional think to think of is this. It strikes me that with some aluminum angle shelving material from Lowes, a drill, and some bolts, you could easily make a rack frame to put rack cases in. I also think that some heavy drawer rails would work as well as the server rack rails folks sell, which you cna also pick up cheaply on ebay.

    Alcmaon

  72. Scalable Rack by Ridgelift · · Score: 2, Informative

    Why rack mounted? Well, I want to save space and only have the bare minimum systems (no need for multiple CD-ROMS, monitors, no sound-cards, just lots of memory and HD space). I also will add to this in the future, so don't want to limit myself to just a few pcs on the system.

    I had the same idea you did, except it was for small businesses who wanted to start with a small rack system, then add later.

    So I had this built, a scalable rack. Since a standard rack is 42U high, I had it built to be 1/7th the height, or 7U. The piece sitting on the front is the cap for the rack top, and another 7U rack module is already installed, so the rack in the picture is 14U high (BTW, if anyone wants that synpotics 10Mb hub, they can have it for nothing...just gotta pay the shipping...it's heavy!)

    Unfortunately, there's not a lot of interest in a scalable, modular rack system. So there my prototype sits in fire engine red looking very pretty, but no buyers.

  73. bad for performance testing, bad for reliability by SuperBanana · · Score: 4, Informative
    Get one big system and a VMware license... saves lots of space and hardware costs...

    ...and is absolutely useless for anything even remotely approaching performance testing, because you've got the overhead of the virtual machine software, and several systems fighting for CPU time, memory, and disk I/O(which is particularly a problem with IDE systems where disk I/O involves a lot of CPU overhead).

    you have one kick ass box.

    and if anything breaks, you now have ZERO working systems, instead of 2/3rds etc. IBM's big iron gets away with this because damn near everything is redundant and hot-swappable, so the machine never has to go down.

    I don't consider the parent answer particularly insightful, sorry...

  74. Server racks can cost more than audio racks! by jtara · · Score: 4, Informative

    It really isn't true that anything associated with audio gets an automatic 500% markup.

    I recently built a new workstation, and decided to built it in a rackmount case this time. I though it would neaten things up a lot to get my (rackmount) UPS and extra battery, server, switch, and all those pesky little boxes (firewall, cable and DSL modems, etc.) into an enclosed rackmount case. (That way, most of the cable runs are inside of the case...)

    After looking at surplus racks and not finding anything that I would have in my home (my office is in my dining room) I decided to splurge and buy a brand-new rack cabinet.

    I wound-up with a Middle Atlantic Products WRK-24MDK "presentation enclosure system" which is a 30" deep 24U enclosed cabinet.

    At about $800, it was less than similar products designed for the server market. (Which, IMO, has by far the highest markups!)

    There are somewhat more affordable choices available from Middle Atlantic, if is doesn't have to be quite so pretty. Particularly if you want a full-size cabinet. They also make some pretty nifty cabinets intended for in-wall roll-out installations, which are popular in home theatre applications.

    One thing you have to watch-out for with audio racks is depth. Most audio equipment is not very deep, and most enclosed racks for the audio market are not going to be deep enough for most servers.

    The cheapest way to go, if you are handy, or having custom furniture built anyway, is to just buy rackrails for a few dollars and build them into something.

    The next-cheapest is to use an open rack rather than an enclosed rack. These are commonly used in corporate server rooms where individual-cabinet security is not needed. Severs typically sit on center-mounted shelves rather than actually being mounted from the ears.

    And, yes, you can pretty easily find full-size and smaller racks on the surplus market (I found several locally) but they can be rough.

    Keep in mind that 1U servers are VERY noisy! (The smaller the fan diameter, the more the noise, for the same volume of air moved.) This is a consideration if this is in your home or even in your office if it is in a work area. If you are a build-it-yourself type, get 4U enclosures and add your own motherboard.

    I used a Chenbro RM412 case, which comes with a hot-swap SCSI backplane, and takes extended ATX mother boards.

    I added a 4U shelf for all of the little boxes, and got a new low-cost rack-mount gigabit switch. (An SMC 8508T)

  75. Stay away from aluminum by SuperBanana · · Score: 2, Informative
    Just buy a 4 foot painted aluminum 19" open telco rack

    Very bad idea unless you're mounting very shallow stuff or very tall stuff; there is a reason they call them "telco" or "relay" racks; telco/network gear is never very deep(long), unless it's also very tall, so it doesn't exert much outward pull on the screws. Think about the mechanics of it- and yes, it's not pretty when that 2U DB server with 4 very expensive SCSI disks makes Unintentional Ground Contact because the screws all stripped out.

    Go with steel unless you have a really good reason not to. Aluminum strips like a son of a bitch, even just installing the stuff if you're not careful (ie mis-threading a screw or even over-tightening it.)

  76. This is hardly new nor high density by SuperBanana · · Score: 2, Interesting
    It was a little bit of a surprise to me when I visited rackspace.com a year or so ago, but they have a very high density scheme with no racks to speak of.

    That scheme is most certainly NOT "high density". It is extremely LOW density; in the space of a dozen desktop machines(if that; probably more like 8), I can place FORTY TWO 1U rackmount systems. Uh huh. You read that right. That's not even as dense as you can get- the ultimate are blade servers, of which you can fit something like a dozen in 4-5U of space, complete with a built-in high speed network switch, KVM/LOM and power distribution all builtin to the case.

    Desktop cases are a HUGE waste of space in enterprise environments because everything you need is usually built-in to the server mobo; I've never seen a server with anything save a SCSI RAID card in a PCI slot. So all the space for 5+ full size PCI slots is wasted...

    Rackspace's 'scheme' is done when you have a)a boatload of space(because your target market is grossly oversaturated) and b)a need for as low a margin as possible(because your target market is grossly oversaturated and because it's low-scale, borderline consumer stuff, it's extremely price-competitive; in enterprise hosting, people ask about your financials before they ask about how big your genset is). Ie, Rackspace went the absolute cheapest route possible, and their customers will suffer as a result.

    Why? Well, first cooling in rackmount cases is excellent; it's piss-poor in desktop cases, usually...so expect hard drive failures. NONE of the components are easily swappable; instead of "pull machine out on its rails, pop the top, place new memory in, push system back in", you've got "unplug the machine, pull it out of the shelf because there's no clearance on any of the sides, put it on a workbench, pop the case, put in the memory, put it back together, put it back in the shelf, plug it all in".

    God help you if you need to swap power supplies- they're several screws and connectors all over the place; drives, fans, motherboard. You take 20 minutes, while I take 15 seconds to slide the lever, pull the PS module, put the new one in, lock the lever, and plug the power cord back in. Done, while you're on screw #2.

    Yes, not an issue for this fellow, but your implication that Rackspace is somehow engaging in innovative thinking is ludicrous. No professional hosting company would even consider such bullshit.

    And yes, I said professional; Rackspace caters to individuals, not corporations, and non-managed hosting- pretty much putting them a step above Joe and Bob's ISP, but not by much. I've worked for a commercial-only managed hosting company, and unlike Rackspace which let you "visit", it's an entirely different sort of place; customers don't set foot in the place, the building isn't marked, etc.

  77. Re:Been there, done that, painted it metallic gree by Odin's+Raven · · Score: 5, Informative
    Painted mine black, but whatever floats your boat... :-)

    Good points all around in parent post. Additional thoughts from my own experience:

    As others have pointed out, another problem with 1U/2U rack cases is the noise. They typically use 40mm/50mm case fans, and the sound of those poor little guys whirring their hearts out is like living in an airport. While you might be able to tolerate this with a single computer, once you stack up 3/4/5 machines, the noise levels can become remarkably unpleasant. After 3 months of insomnia, I chucked those cases in the closet and replanted everything in 4U cases. (I've since seen low-noise 40mm Pabst fans popping up every now and then -- the airflow is much lower than the turboprop-wannabe stock fans, but I'm tempted to pick up a few of these, bring the 1U case out of storage, and give it another shot -- for a minimal single-CPU/single-drive system, the reduced airflow should still be sufficient.)

    4U cases, OTOH, are much easier to quiet down. These typically use 80mm or 90mm case fans, and many have mount points for a couple of 60mm fans on the back. There's a variety of low-noise 80/90mm fans on the market. Not quite as wide a selection in the 60mm range, but they're not particularly difficult to find if you need the extra airflow. (FWIW, I've been happy with the Vantec Stealth line.)

    The parent poster's comment about 4Us taking standard power supplies is good to keep in mind. The PS in a 1U/2U case is going to be a nonstandard size -- which can be a killer if it dies on you. With the standard-sized ATX PS used in a 4U case, if you lose a PS you can pop down to your local computer supply store, buy a replacement, and be back up and running in no time.

    If you're running Linux, you can manage without a KVM once your machines are set up and running properly, since you can always forward X sessons from multiple boxes over to whichever machine your monitor is connected to. That being said, a KVM is awfully handy if you need control over a machine during the early boot stages -- you can't get to the BIOS settings display using X forwarding. :-)

    Personal preference I've developed regarding rails is to use the 26" rails even though most 4U cases are only 20" deep. The longer rails make it more awkward when you first put the case in the rack (since they stick out past the ends of the case), but afterwards they'll let you slide the case out far enough that you can get to the connectors on the back. (Like flipping off the switch on the power supply or unplugging the cord while you're working inside the machine.) I find that being able to do all the work from the front of the rack is more convenient than having to hop back and forth between the front and rear to yank things off and plug things back in again. If you rarely work inside your case, it's not a big deal -- save a few bucks and go for shorter rails, or even skip the rails completely and bolt the case directly to the rack.

    You mentioned lots of HD space. If you're planning something serious, like a 4+ drive RAID configuration, pay close attention to mountpoints and airflow. Many entry-model 4U cases only have 2 mount points for hard drives. You can pick up 3.5-5.25" adapter brackets that'll let you mount additional drives in the 5.25" external bays -- there's usually 3 external bays on an entry-level 4U case. If you pick up one of the inserts that fit into the 3 external bay area and allow you to mount 5 hard drives sidways, be very *very* cautious if you're using 7200 RPM drives. Those drives run hot normally, and there's almost no space between the drives in these inserts, hence little room for airflow. You'll want a dedicated cooling fan, preferably built into the rear of the insert, or you're going to run a real risk of the drives quickly overheating and dying. (Been there, fried that, bought new drives.)

    Oh yes, and something that drove me crazy for a while -- if you pick up a second-hand rack and the mou

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  78. Learning from the pros by bjoel · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Racks are nice and professional looking, but if I was doing the same thing, I'd go for some shelves from IKEA and regular mini tower PCs. Se http://www.nsc.liu.se/systems/cluster-overview/ind ex.html for some professional opinions on these matters from a supercomputer organisation.

  79. My Setup by condurre · · Score: 3, Informative

    I now use a 6 foot Damac rack and 5 Anova 4U rackmount cases in my home.

    The Damac is just a four post rack. You don't have to get all the doors and sides that it can be ordered with. Wheels are a must to move it out from the wall to make cabling changes.

    The Anova rackmount computer cases have removable/washable filters. They are very easy to open and work with once unracked.

    Running multiple machines is pretty noisy, but you get used to it. It also keeps your home 10 degrees warmer all year long.

    You may also run into power problems in a house with substandard electrical power.

    SKB Cases can be used for a more portable racking solution.

  80. don't bring a UPS with you by rectrix · · Score: 3, Interesting
    unless you are certain that it will run dual voltage. I just moved from the US to Germany. I had no problems with the power supplies in my equipment (4 laptops, 6 PCs, 1 UltraSparc) HOWEVER - two very annoying bits that I had not considered:
    1. US purchased printer would not work on 220V without a power supply replacement (which can only be purchased from printer parts suppliers and swapping it out voids your warranty). Not an issue if you don't print I suppose.
    2. UPS. After many power outages in the US in several different East Coast locations (Boston, Washington D.C., and southern Virginia) I had come to rely on my UPS (from APS). After shipping the 50 pound battery across the Atlantic, only then did I realise that it was not compatible with 220V! Quite a surprise that you should not have to deal with (not the power outage which you should expect, but the lugging around of a 50 lb battery)

    By the way - don't forget to check the voltages on your networking equipment. Most of the modern network hubs, switches, etc. will be ok for 110-220V, but you'll need several adapter plugs or power cords (if you're lucky and the cord can be swapped). Or replace the power supplies with "universal adapters" - something like this is inexpensive ($14).

    Regarding extension cords and "power strips": I had brought my "high quality" power strips from the US - the ones with built in surge protectors - in hindsight it's no surprise that the "extra" 110 V is considered a surge.
    So now I have a pile of extension cords and power strips that are completely useless. :(

    One more tip: Before you go and purchase conversion plugs for your equipment, you may just want to purchase new power cords ($2.50) that are usually cheaper that the conversion plug ($15), plus it will be the proper size for US outlets. The UK plugs will usually make every-other outlet on a US power strip unusable due to the size difference.

  81. Don't go for computer racks by metalac · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'd suggest not buying any computer racks. They are pretty damn pricey, $400+ maybe less if you find them in used computer stores, and they are usually wayyyy too big, like 6 feet high and stuff. What I found works the best is recording equipment rackmounts they can be found from $80+. The one I have was $120 and it's rock solid. I already have 3 cases in it and a rackmount switch.

  82. Never underestimate the need for bragging rights. by lewko · · Score: 4, Funny

    I am reminded of a geek friend who got really excited when he acquired a raised-floor system being thrown out of an ex-server room.

    He told me his wife had even agreed to let him install it in their bedroom.

    I said to him "why do you need a raised floor? I know how few cables you are running and you certainly don't have gas fire suppression or HVAC".

    He looked at me like an idiot and said "yeah, but dude... It's a RAISED FLOOR!"

    Sadly, I could totally see his point...

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  83. studio rack a place to start? by sweetaction · · Score: 2, Informative

    check this one. looks promising. http://www.electronicmusic.com/education/5326.html

  84. If you know where to look... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Racks aren't that expensive, if you know where to look. Racks are used in many industries, IT, and music. Check this out. Get a 6U burnished aluminium case for ~$80. Sure, cut a few holes in it for I/O, but it's cheap and easily transportable.

  85. Re:Been there, done that, painted it metallic gree by stefanb · · Score: 5, Informative
    That being said, a KVM is awfully handy if you need control over a machine during the early boot stages -- you can't get to the BIOS settings display using X forwarding. :-)

    Get a mainboard that supports serial console redirection, like the Tyan Tomcat i875P, and hook the (first) serial port up to a multi-serial board in another box, or get the excellent (but expensive) Cyclades TS-Series console server.

    We just picked up four of them as firewalls (in 1U cases from Chenbro) as well a backup server, and the redirection works like a charm.

  86. Re:Supermicro by LookSharp · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Informative? I find the parent ignorant. There are 4-5U rackmountable standard ATX cases available for around $75, and take standard PSUs and motherboards. I have built one myself, and was pleased with the cost... about $50 more than a standard PC, all because if the case.

    The parent is only valid if you are building a custom 1-2U system, or are going for higher-end rackmount cases.

  87. A little late but hopefully helpful by tazanator · · Score: 2, Informative

    I have done this, and enjoy it. I bought a rack mount router from Imagestream and from there started down the road. I found 20U (36") racks at woodwind and brasswind music store (wwbw.com) for $99 and bought cases from Ebay for $75 each, some had backplanes (used) others didn't but had adapters for ATX motherboards. I spent the extra money (~$200) for quad segragated backplanes and can run 4 Computers in a 4U case with drives and all. I went quad cause most SBC'es now have everything you need on them, (my AA server need a sound card but every other device needed was on it) for gaming just dig up a PCI video card that has some good spec's. I now have 2 30U's and am looking for a few more to continue with (1 rack does dual duty as both my HAM radio rack, and holds a computer for the new software control programs) the 4U cases use standard power supplies (ATX) hold standard drives (5 1/4 and 3.5" bays) and most have an adapter allowing a standard motherboard or the backplane/SBC combo that is common in industrial setups (I have both types in my network) My gaming machine is a 4U with a standard biostar motherboard in fact the only thing different about it is the case being rack mounted and having 5 fans. so go for it!

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  88. Re:Rack? by ckaminski · · Score: 2, Informative

    For 3 computers, a rack is serious overkill. Unless you can do something like an underdesk rack. I found these rack rails last week while searching for something. I want a rack that is sturdy enough for me to move from house to house without disassembling, and came across these.

    You could use 2 pair of these to build an underdesk rolling rack cage (3 4U servers is only 28 inches).

  89. Here's what I've seen done... by merlin_jim · · Score: 2, Informative

    Build your own rails, pick up a drill/tap set at Home Depot (or wherever) for about $5... then just drill/tap the holes as you need them. Plastic garbage bag taped around the rail and a good vacuum cleaner to pick up the filings, and you don't even have to unmount all your hardware to do it. The rails themselves can be basic steel bar stock, or if cost/weight is a concern, use thick aluminum.

    Then you can either buy premade rackmounts or build your own. I'm an audio guy, and audio rackmount equipment is usually 10" between rails, as opposed to 19" for computer equipment. Though some of the high-end stuff is 19" between rails.

    Everyone I've seen that builds their own uses perspex or aluminum. Personally, were I to do this, I would get mini-ITX boards, with the Morex DC-DC power supplies. Run the whole rack on a big DC rectifier, and just patch in the 12V to each power supply. The units themselves are just six pieces of perspex; the top is on a hinge, the front (and possibly the back) is wider than the rest, to provide places to screw into the rails. Depending on your needs, you can PXE-boot them, and then you just need one computer for the whole thing with a big hard drive / RAID to hold the images on. Or you can just put a read-only operating system on a compact flash and put that in the mini-ITX. One version of the board even has the CF slot on it, so you don't need a converter to IDE.

    You can get most of the hardware from mini-itx.com, though I've had better luck with idot.com in terms of pricing. The 12V rectifier can be gotten from industrial surplus, or if you're handy with a soldering iron, you can build your own from a heavy duty transformer and a few power rectifier diodes. As far as software, any Linux Live CD (ala Knoppix) can PXE boot or boot off CF. If you want Windows, search for Windows PE on google, and it'll come up with a list of companies that make read-only Windows distros. If none of those meet your needs, BartPE makes a utility to roll your own... just install it on a hard drive, configure it, then run the utility.

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  90. Not expensive if you know where to look by lxt · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's not expensive if you know where to look - companies such as StudioSpares (in the UK) sell pro audio equipment racks dead cheap. The companies that you might first go to (in the UK, Canford, Stage Electrics etc) are very expensive, but it's still very much a misconception to say all pro audio equipment costs a lot.

    For example, I picked up a pro audio rack mounted Tascam CD player for theatre use for around 100 - cheaper than domestic players with the same features, and this model came with an industrial warrenty (as opposed to the domestic models, which come with a "home only" warrenty). The same applies to audio PCs - companies like Carillion sell rack mounted PCs without pro audio software for about the same as a brand name PC. Still more expensive than building your own, but not the 500% markup you describe.

  91. Re:Remote support for Windows too... by Odin's+Raven · · Score: 2, Insightful
    However, if you do want to live without a KVM switch, Windows 2000 Server, Windows XP Pro and Windows Server 2003 support remote access right out of the box. Or, you can use VNC for access, but it is *much* slower.

    Just thought I'd throw this out. Let's see if it ignites a flamewar :)

    Hopefully no flames break out. I only mentioned Linux and X forwarding as an example of an alternative to using a KVM in a multi-system, single-monitor environment. (I'm a Linux developer, so that's what I'm most familiar with.) Hopefully others will see both our posts for what they are -- general info that might be of use to people, not "my OS is bigger/better/badder than your OS" tripe. :-)

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