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Implant a Chip in Your Head

vic_1066 writes "Brain chips sound pretty Orwellian, but the tech has come a long way (Soul eating registration required) in the past few years. Not that I'll be signing up anytime soon to get my head sliced open just for kicks, but if I was massively paralyzed this would be welcome news. If you get a chance, check out Cyberkinetics Inc."

204 comments

  1. Isn't It Nueromantic? by bluethundr · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Will these new "brain chips" be called "microsofts" and plug directly into the back of your skull, coming in all kinds of fashionable colors?

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  2. Mnemonic? by Orgazmus · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is it possible to do some mnemonic shit with this tech?
    I would really like to regain some of my toked away memory ;)

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    1. Re:Mnemonic? by maxbang · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sure, why not? Just make sure you have your mnemonic kit. You know, your motion detector, data encryptor, memory doubler, mouthguard, tai-chi manual, and last, but not least, super hot ass-kickin epileptic bodyguard.

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    2. Re:Mnemonic? by Orgazmus · · Score: 1

      Like I said, im toking.
      I see that shit all the time. ;)

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    3. Re:Mnemonic? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NY Times PW

      mamasatan
      mamasatan

      now you don't have to register

  3. Brain chips huh?? by patrick.whitlock · · Score: 1

    do you have options for "enhancement" different modules and what not.. sounds a bit like Deus Ex

    1. Re:Brain chips huh?? by Orgazmus · · Score: 1

      Night- and heatvision would be sweet?
      Just remember to turn it off when you`re on acid ;)

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    2. Re:Brain chips huh?? by dr_dank · · Score: 2, Funny

      I hope my brain can finally play imported and backed up games.

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    3. Re:Brain chips huh?? by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2, Funny

      Only if you also install that mod chip which disables DRM. It's a good idea anyway, since it also allows you to remember details of that song you heared yesterday, as well as if you really liked it. Now if I only could remember where you could get that chip ... and what it was for ... ah, yes, got it again, it's the new Trusted Thinking chip which protects your brain from spam and other evil information, and you can get it directly from ... what do you mean, you're not interested in that? Didn't you just ask ... mod chip? What's that?

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  4. Video Games Tell us the Way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mind/Machine Interface
    TECH41
    The Warrior's bland acronym, MMI, obscures the true horror of this monstrosity. Its inventors promise a new era of genius, but meanwhile unscrupulous power brokers use its forcible installation to violate the sanctity of unwilling human minds. They are creating their own private army of demons.

    -Commissioner Pravin Lal,
    Alpha Centauri the Game

  5. What about using this for video game play? by Phoenix-kun · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have a friend who was in a near fatal auto accident several months ago (not her fault, btw). She is now paralyzed from the chest down and has only limited control of her hands. Before the accident, she was one of the best competitive video game players that I've ever had the pleasure to know. Now, almost 6 months after the accident, she can play turn-based games OK, but does not have the fine control for the fast action FP type games. It would be so wonderful if something like this could give that ability back to her.

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    1. Re:What about using this for video game play? by squaretorus · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      (not her fault, btw).

      Thanks for the parenthesis - I know MY first thought was "I bet she deserved it though! - fucking women drivers!!! shouldn't be allowed on the road!!"

    2. Re:What about using this for video game play? by IceAgeComing · · Score: 2, Informative

      Follow the CyberKinetics link above: they've already implanted chips in monkeys and taught them to play video games with brainwaves alone.

    3. Re:What about using this for video game play? by SmackCrackandPot · · Score: 2, Funny

      Follow the CyberKinetics link above: they've already implanted chips in monkeys and taught them to play video games with brainwaves alone.

      But were they able to win Quake III levels at nightmare setting, and take out all the terrorists in Counterstrike?

    4. Re:What about using this for video game play? by Ygorl · · Score: 2, Informative

      At this point the level of control the monkeys have isn't wonderful; good enough for HoMM probably, but pretty useless for any FPS games.

    5. Re:What about using this for video game play? by BlueCup · · Score: 1

      Pish, I can do the taking out all the terrorists thing in Counterstrike easy... as long as I start out as one...

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  6. Already have one, we all do. by grub · · Score: 5, Funny


    Implant a Chip in Your Head

    Does it act as a co-processor to the one the government puts in our heads at birth?

    Don't laugh!: Using your index and middle finger feel your skull at the base where your spinal column meets your skull. Notice that little bump? Now with your middle finger pressed firmly on the bump rub it with your index finger across the bottom near your top vertebra.

    Feel that hard thing move? Of course not, but I'll bet there are hundreds of geeks like you pressing two fingers against their skull at this very moment. :)

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    1. Re:Already have one, we all do. by the_mad_poster · · Score: 2, Funny

      Tonight at 5!

      Thousands of lonely men wearing foil hats were found paralyzed in the basements of their parents homes today. All were found staring at the same article from the "Slashdot" website. An infamous cult leader named "grub" has been named as the primary suspect in this bizarre case.

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    2. Re:Already have one, we all do. by TwistedGreen · · Score: 1

      Not everyone has that bump, you know.

    3. Re:Already have one, we all do. by SEWilco · · Score: 1
      Not everyone has that bump, you know.

      Only those worthy of the chip have it.

    4. Re:Already have one, we all do. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you don't have one....

      You've just been XX'd

  7. if only.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if only i had a chip in my head, i wouldn't have to register to read... and then have to remember my user/pass

    1. Re:if only.. by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      bugmenot.com?

      It finds logins for all sorts of sites (there's even a /. login).

  8. Me neither by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 5, Funny

    but the tech has come a long way (Soul eating registration required) in the past few years. Not that I'll be signing up anytime soon

    That's right, it's just disgraceful. I'll never ever sign up to get NY Time account...

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    1. Re:Me neither by Menkhaf · · Score: 1

      Oakland Tribune has the exact same article, so there's no need for selling your soul...

      Clicky...

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    2. Re:Me neither by -O.ster_66 · · Score: 1
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  9. Sadly... by baudilus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    People that accept these will likely believe it will turn them into Jake 2.0. Sadly, it's more likely to turn them into human RFID tags.

    1. Re:Sadly... by Killjoy_NL · · Score: 1

      RFID ??

      Into the microwave you go before you are allowed to enter my house ;)

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  10. External memory would be nice. by Jin+Wicked · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So far I rely on pen and paper to remember everything... I mean seriously, I have a lot of trauma in my past and the way my brain dealt with it was to just become so forgetful that I can barely remember what I did the week before.

    I'd really like some safe, secure way to "back my brain up" as it were, besides filling albums with photos to job my memory.

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    1. Re:External memory would be nice. by AllUsernamesAreGone · · Score: 1

      Not going to happen. Or at least if it is, it isn't going to happen for a long, long time: nobody even has a reliable model of how memories are stored in the brain on the neuron levels, let alone any way to pull that information out in a way that allows it to be interpreted or reproduced.

      To make it worse, this tech is the same as trying to look at a monitor through a sheet of paper you get a few patterns of light, enought to react on if the screen changes colour, but there's no detail.

    2. Re:External memory would be nice. by Alric · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I recently had a long discussion on this very topic. The eventual conclusion was that if we can backup the brain, then we should be able to restore it also. So, we will almost be able to treat life like a video game, with save-points, especially if our robot bodies come soon.

      Scenario>>
      ME: Hmm, I wonder what it feels like to jump off of a cliff.

      Paramedics arrive at the scene of the gruesome death.

      Medic1: Oy, that's one mangled robot carcass.
      Medic2: What's that clutched in his strong, metal robot hand? A suicide note?
      Medic1: It says, "Please revert to 4/12/04 Backup at IP:143.233.211.2.1.1.0.3".
      >>

      Oh what a wonderful world it will be.

    3. Re:External memory would be nice. by Jin+Wicked · · Score: 1

      Well, poop. I guess I'll have to stick with Kodak and LiveJournal for remember what my life was like a couple of months ago. =P

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    4. Re:External memory would be nice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tried therapy? No, seriously. A lot of the current thinking about trauma revolves around constructing coherent narratives. If you don't want to go talk to someone just yet, try reading this.

    5. Re:External memory would be nice. by Jin+Wicked · · Score: 1

      Well, I have considered it, but psychological stuff is so expensive and I don't really have time even if I had insurance that would cover it... plus I'm mostly happy, I just don't have a memory for crap. Maybe if I remembered more I'd be one of those really bitter, cynical people. I just wish I could at least know what I had for lunch yesterday. ^_^

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    6. Re:External memory would be nice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Telling comment - you don't have memory for crap, which is your way of being 'mostly happy.'

      Give the book a shot - that's not so expensive. Or get it from the library for free.

      And if cost is really a factor, universities that have psych Ph.D./Psy.D. programs often run low-cost or free clinics for students to get therapy experience at.

    7. Re:External memory would be nice. by Noofus · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Only problem with this is that now you dont have the memory of the experience so you wouldnt know what it was like. However you probabl;y do that the "thought pattern" in your mind that would lead you to ask this question, and thus repeat your actions. :)

    8. Re:External memory would be nice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hmm yes.
      Then you need some kind of realtime data logger that logs all sensory inputs during the sucide. After restoring the backup, you replay the sensory log to experience it again without any real damage.

    9. Re:External memory would be nice. by Ronge · · Score: 1

      Try this out, therefore: web.media.mit.edu/~vemuri/wwit/wwit-overview.html I saw this in action and it mostly works...

    10. Re:External memory would be nice. by G-funk · · Score: 1

      The solution of course is whenever you decide to do something stupid like jump off a cliff, flip a coin... heads you jump, tails you don't :)

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    11. Re:External memory would be nice. by Ben+Hutchings · · Score: 1

      You might enjoy Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom, a book that includes this as a plot device. It's available as a free e-book. One of the points it brings up is that you can't remember your own experience of death, though you can watch your final moments as recorded by others.

  11. Re:Aha! by Vexler · · Score: 1

    You must mean "surrender your chips"...

  12. Chips and trips by Hekatchu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There's nothing new there, but, it's just so surprising that there's so little the world can offer to SciFi litterature, but so much SciFi can offer to reality.

  13. 6 3 score and 6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's coming so live with it.

    You will love it. Or else!

  14. Sounds familiar... by goldspider · · Score: 1

    Not sure if this was the same thing, but I read a little while ago about a tiny device implanted into the brain (and maybe afflicted organs/appendages?) that could mimic nerve impulses and possibly be used to cure (or at least treat) spinal injuries and neurological diseases like Parkinsons. Anyone know if this is that same thing?

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  15. Coming Soon: a real Six Million Dollar Man by IceAgeComing · · Score: 1, Interesting


    "Turning Thought Into Action"

    That's the CyberKinetics catch-phrase.

    CyberKinetics, the company mentioned in the article, has implanted chips into monkeys that enable them to play video games using brain waves alone.

    Not only is this a miracle for paralyzed people, but I predict that brain waves will be able to control bionic arms and legs. It's only a matter of biofeedback learning and a chip capable of measuring ten or so distinct brainwave patterns.

  16. the implantable V-chip by emtboy9 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now you can implant your child with the new profanity sensing V-chip. Yes, you child can grow up happy, healty, and wholesome thanks to this new technology. The V-Chip is implanted directly into your childs brain and will emit a tiny negative reinforcement whenever your child attempts to utter an obscenity, disobey, or otherwise act like a child of his or her age.

    Also for adults, the Viagra-Chip, and for Politicians, the VAccountablility chip. Working with Pfiser, the Viagra-Chip, when implanted in the adult brain, will stimulate sexual desire and promote long term erections, overcoming such things as headaches, modesty, impotence and other debilitating male problems.

    The Politican version will emit a tiny negative reinforcement every time a politican attempts to lie to the public, or attempts to promote or approve of a policy in which he or she will do everything possible to avoid accountability.

    Coming soon, built in GPS, public registration numbers, ATM and bank account numbers, and even a full, updated copy of your credit history. Now all you need to do is wave a wand over your head to get instant loan approval!

    (The U.S. Governemt endorses the GPS/ID enabled V-Chip implant, but swears to God that they will not use it to track, monitor, or otherwise ride herd on any U.S. Citizen. They really mean it. The promise! Cross their hearts and hope to die.)

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    1. Re:the implantable V-chip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry to nitpick (but hey...this is /.), but what you are describing is NOT negative reinforcement, but rather positive punishment. In behavorial terms, negative and positive simply refer to the adding or removing of a stimulus, and reinforcement/punishment refer to the increase or decrease of a target behavior. Since you are adding a stimulus (ie...a shock) to decrease a behavior (swearing), it is a positive punishment.

    2. Re:the implantable V-chip by Gulik · · Score: 1

      The V-Chip is implanted directly into your childs brain and will emit a tiny negative reinforcement whenever your child attempts to utter an obscenity, disobey, or otherwise act like a child of his or her age.

      ObSouthPark: ``Yeah -- do it, Cartman.''

    3. Re:the implantable V-chip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      V as in VeriChip.

    4. Re:the implantable V-chip by jimi+the+hippie · · Score: 1

      Actually, what you're talking about is punishment, not reinforcement. (Positive Punishment to be more exact)

  17. Make it so by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With Tiny Brain Implants, Just Thinking May Make It So

    Capt. Picard - Make it so, number one. I can already make number so, and i don't even need an implant.

    1. Re:Make it so by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dumb!

  18. Make any woman.. by MisanthropicProgram · · Score: 1

    you're sleeping with look like Pamela Anderson or Elizabeth Hurley, or ....

    1. Re:Make any woman.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I have insomnia, you insensitive clod! Oh, wait, you mean having sex with....

    2. Re:Make any woman.. by JosKarith · · Score: 1, Funny

      Or, if they have a chip, remotely hack it so _you_ look like the partner of their dreams.
      Of course, Alcohol is the slightly lower tech version...But it still works.

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  19. I'd get one by AtariAmarok · · Score: 1, Funny

    I'd get one implanted, but it sort of defeats the purpose of wearing a tinfoil helmet.

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    1. Re:I'd get one by Fortress · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'd say it gives a whole new reason for the tinfoil hat. Keeps them from reading what's stored on your brain chip. Or reprogramming it. Or installing Windows on it.

    2. Re:I'd get one by kjdames · · Score: 1

      Can you imagine the feedback from one of those chips if it emmitted a signal of any kind?

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  20. Interface, Stephen Bury by denubis · · Score: 2, Informative

    Interface, by Stephen Bury (a pseudonym for Neal Stephenson) is a fun exploration of media manipulation coupled with this idea. It goes slightly over the top in assuming the resources mentioned, but in terms of showing what is possible, it's quite interesting.

    It's also a very fun read.

  21. Brain Chips? by WhytTiger · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Homer:MMM... CHIPS

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  22. Diebold by mirko · · Score: 1

    Will this replace Diebold's e-voting machines ?

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  23. Brain implants are very useful! by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 4, Funny

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    had my +
    HP
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    6
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    implanted
    EVAL
    "and I"
    feel
    just
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    PRG
    STO A

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    1. Re:Brain implants are very useful! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    2. Re:Brain implants are very useful! by Julian+Morrison · · Score: 1

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    3. Re:Brain implants are very useful! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm in a intro Java class. Been doing stuff with StringTolkenizer's lately. First thing looking at this is 'what character did he use to tokenize the string, it obviously wasn't white space...' Man I need a nap...

    4. Re:Brain implants are very useful! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *Sigh* Looks like the Borg have assimilated William Shatner again.

  24. Disfunction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Maybe this will put viagra out of business. Oops, wrong head.

  25. For Today's Live Presidential News Con: +1, Fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    An alternative to President-Vice Cheney's mini-mike
    ear implant in The World's Most Dangerous "Leader"

    Cheers,
    Kilgore Trout

  26. Ahh...to be a handless Jedi Knight. by johnthorensen · · Score: 1

    From the article: "You don't wake up and turn on your hand," Mr. Surgenor said.

    Later overheard in the Mos Eisley Cantina:
    Damn Luke! You need to get you some of that!

    -JT :)

  27. Of course, after inflation... by goldspider · · Score: 1

    ...an operation that cost six million dollars in the '70s would probably run you about $70 Million today. Not sure that's a real viable option for us common folk yet.

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    1. Re:Of course, after inflation... by IceAgeComing · · Score: 1


      I thought about that, but with hardware costs failling through the floor, it's only a matter of time before we can all be bionic for $600,000 or so.

  28. spam by WormholeFiend · · Score: 2, Funny

    Until we've solved the problem of spam, I'm not getting any kind of hardware/software combination implanted anywhere in my body. (This includes penile implants. Yes, I'm talking to you Mr Spammer.)

  29. Orwellian? by meringuoid · · Score: 5, Interesting
    ... Which of Orwell's works do we have in mind here? Down and Out in Paris and London, perhaps? Animal Farm? I can't remember brain chips anywhere in Orwell.

    Perhaps it was 1984? But as I remember it, the Party had never been able to develop a technique to discover what another human being was thinking. The inside of the human mind remained untouchable; it was the last sanctuary from their totalitarianism. Hence their reliance on propaganda and torture as cruder methods of mind control...

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    1. Re:Orwellian? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > ... Which of Orwell's works do we have in mind here? Down and Out in Paris and
      > London, perhaps? Animal Farm? I can't remember brain chips anywhere in Orwell.

      Obviously 1984. Just like some of the anti "terror" laws being passed around the world are Kafka-esque, even though Kafka didn't mention (in his excellent `The Trial`) anything about oil or muslims.

    2. Re:Orwellian? by maxbang · · Score: 1

      Orwellian, as in the future being a totalitarian state where our every action is monitored. Not, in this case, as referring to the works of Orwell.

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    3. Re:Orwellian? by the_meme · · Score: 1

      mon ami, let them put in their silly chip and we will remove it and sell it for two francs and live like kings!

    4. Re:Orwellian? by cybergrue · · Score: 1

      I seem to remember something about a brain scanning machine in 1984 that was capable of detecting 'illegal' thoughts at a distance. There was a passage about "worrying about being woken up by the police because he was dreaming of sedition" somewhere near the beginning of the book.
      Mind you, its been years since I read it. (1984 to be exact, my how time flies.)

    5. Re:Orwellian? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds more like the Michael Crichton's "The Terminal Man", although that chip was for a medical problem with no mention of privacy and the like.

      http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/00 60 092572/qid=1081871353/sr=8-1/ref=pd_ka_1/002-59031 74-8213639?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

    6. Re:Orwellian? by handslikesnakes · · Score: 1

      What country passed a law about turning people into insects?

  30. Semi-OffTopic by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 1

    This reminds me of an old made-for-TV movie called "Knight 4000", based on the old, wonderful, TV series, Knight Rider.

    Some woman gets shot in the head, and for some completely random reason, they take a Microchip from the old "KITT" car, and put it in her head, and magically, she is all better.

    I just remember thinking how absurd that was, now only to see it actually happening.

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    1. Re:Semi-OffTopic by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

      The movie was Knight Rider 2000 and the new car was the Knight 4000 (because the original one from the 80s was the Knight 2000).

  31. RFID and Cellphones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All will be good and well until you discover that the chip in your head can be tracked, just like RFID tags. Then you'll have to microwave your head!
    And what about cellphones? Can you still use those or will you have an epileptic attack everytime someone uses a phone near you?
    Scary stuff...

    1. Re:RFID and Cellphones by ckaminski · · Score: 1

      Time to build a faraday cage into my skull to help protect against EMP... Yikes...

  32. Add that to your resume by Nobody's+Hero · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My only real question in all of this is where is it headed?(mind the pun there) Are all of us tech geeks going to be required to be able to "jack" into the computer systems we administrate in the near future? Will programmers start designing software that allows us to see the layout of our network graphicly in our heads as we sit semi-concious in chairs? Maybe not, but it is a possibilty.

    My curiousity is when will this sort of thing become competitve enough that it will start to be asked for on job applications? When will it get to the point that it is no longer an option but a requirement in order to administer large networks?

    This sort of thing is straight out of movies, like Johny Mnemonic even from role playing games like Shadowrun.

    If this sort of thing comes to fruition would you have a chip installed in your head?

    I know I would.

    But I don't know many others that would comprimise their bodies for a career. Would you?

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    1. Re:Add that to your resume by g0bshiTe · · Score: 1

      I think the day will come.

      It isn't soon enough for me though.

      Something I am worried about, is will Microsoft have anything to do with the coding?

      Imagine www.cert.org CN-0003221042011-1 Brainchip maker Screwloose has anounced a flaw in BCin() that allows malicious code to be injected into neurons. Which could lead to a denial of service or a remote admin compromise.

      Proof of Concept has been made public and "script kiddies" around the world have laughed at the antics they make the admins get up to.

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    2. Re:Add that to your resume by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I would get a chip, in fact, I hope and pray I can get one before I die. I'm still quite young, so I might see the day.

      The killer application will, as always, be sex and games. Who wouldn't want to experience fully immersive games and "recreational" programs so real you'd have to build some sort of system into it distinguish it from "reality". And mimicing reality is only the beginning, it's the unreal possibilities I want to experience in full lucidity with all my senses.

      One problem is, would you dare be an early adaptor? What if when Version 2.0 of said brain interface comes around you can't upgrade because the damage is done to the wetware. As new, better, versions would be installed in young people, we'd label older persons with their now defunct chips obsolete. Perhaps it's just an extension of age discrimination and not much worse than what we have now, still, it makes one think.

    3. Re:Add that to your resume by Le+Marteau · · Score: 1

      Something I am worried about, is will Microsoft have anything to do with the coding?

      Exactly. I'd feel MUCH better knowing that that bastion of mental health, RMS, was involved in hacking my brain.

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    4. Re:Add that to your resume by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      My only real question in all of this is where is it headed?(mind the pun there) Are all of us tech geeks going to be required to be able to "jack" into the computer systems we administrate in the near future? Will programmers start designing software that allows us to see the layout of our network graphicly in our heads as we sit semi-concious in chairs? Maybe not, but it is a possibilty.

      I wouldn't get too excited yet. No one, and I mean no one, has anything close to a satisfactory microelectrode implant for neural recording that works more than two years in monkeys. Most of them are largely defunct within a few months. The Cyberkinetics implants are among the better choices out there, they can achieve some recording out to a year. They may, as is, do a lot to help certain patient populations for their limited durations. The patients are all making sacrifices at this point - I hope none of them think they will derive any benefit from these implants in a year. Their sacrifice may help others like them in the future.

      Once trapped patients and quadrapelegics are helped, and stable long-term recordings become more common, they could progress outside the patients. Probably 10 or 15 years from now, but only if things go well. And there are a LOT of ways things can go badly. It is quite a brave attempt by John Donoghue and his colleagues.

    5. Re:Add that to your resume by LoneGunner · · Score: 1

      More than likely they will come up with a way to do it completely without any implantation. At least for reading impulses from the brain. It would just require sensors that are far more accurate and sensitive than what we have now.

    6. Re:Add that to your resume by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think this is possible.

      I regularly record from neurons in the brain, and have looked at surface potentials in some detail. I don't think there is any possibility to get even close to the level of control non-invasively. Neurons have signals that extend across tens of microns at most. The best resolution you can get from the surfaces is a spread of hundreds of microns.

      Also, historically, surface potentials were used to study the brain in the 1930s and 40s, but most of this work was over-written later when scientists started looking at spiking responses of neurons instead of local potentials. There is just a lot more information in the spiking responses.

      The Cyberkinetics implant is the right approach, at least compared to non-invasive electrical recordings.

  33. Now I'm interested in one thing... by francium+de+neobie · · Score: 5, Funny

    How many GBs of porn can it store? >:D

    1. Re:Now I'm interested in one thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only on /. would parent be modded Insightful and not funny.

    2. Re:Now I'm interested in one thing... by francium+de+neobie · · Score: 1

      and that is the ultimate pun ;)

    3. Re:Now I'm interested in one thing... by the_thunderbird · · Score: 1

      How can you mod the parent to this pos insightfull? Are the current moderators perverted bastards like the rest of us... OK bad point... Mod away!

    4. Re:Now I'm interested in one thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but it IS insightfull.

  34. actually by pizza_milkshake · · Score: 1

    article. good. (brain chip implant required)

  35. Serious questions re IP & ubiquitous computing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    What happens when it isn't just simple chips that can be interfaced with simple nerves, but instead we're interfacing entire systems with major sensory I/O?

    If I'm able to translate and store information hot off my optic nerve, and translate and store vibrations picked up in my ear canal, could I be charged as a "Thief" or a "Pirate" for sampling a CD in a store or watching a movie in a theater, and "remembering" it with augmentation?

    Gargoyle Steve Mann had some well-documented troubles in a similar vein - getting his equipment stripped and thrashed at airports, getting hassled at places with no-camera policies. But when, inevitably, the equipment becomes so small and flexible it can't be detected without other equipment when implanted or integrated into clothes or flesh, what will be done? When an organic camera - a pair of real human eyes - is used, what is the legality of 'no taping' or 'no camera' laws? Etc.

  36. You'll wind up acting like Keanu Reeves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny
    In Johnny Mnemonic.

    And getting "miscast as someone with too much information in his head."

    1. Re:You'll wind up acting like Keanu Reeves by Mateito · · Score: 1

      Woah!!!

  37. Waiting by g0bshiTe · · Score: 1

    I am waiting for the eyeball implant to go along with the brain chip. That way I can site at my desk, stare into space while surfing slashdot using blueberry wifi, and have it displayed at the back of my retina.

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  38. So, how long until we can... by chendo · · Score: 1

    ... the stuff we see in the Matrix, Ghost in the Shell, and other assorted sci-fi stuff with people with brain-implants?

    Forget needing special glasses to view things, why not have the chip piggy-back onto your optical nerve? Digital overlaying, all the stats you can stick on your HUD, like the first couple of pages in Ghost in the Shell 2: Man Machine Interface... sometimes it's useful being able to look at an object and automatically have a label pointing to it, identifying exactly what it is, what speed it's travelling at, and a line with it's projected path, the possibility to have people remote control bodies that can work in dangerous situations, etc etc.

    Although, I'm not too sure about cracking open one's head to insert one of these things... maybe in another 20 years?

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  39. Cyberkinetics by jafuser · · Score: 1

    Did anyone else go to that Cyberkinetics site and get a weird creepy feeling like you couldn't tell if it was a fake website used for viral marketing a sci-fi movie, or if it was real?

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  40. Bluetooth in your brain - psycho spam! by Jason+Straight · · Score: 2, Funny

    Wait until people get bluetooth type radio chips in their head for the purpose of telepathy, then the spammers will be sending messages straight to your brain!

    The voices in my head told me to get a bigger penis!

    1. Re:Bluetooth in your brain - psycho spam! by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Then you'd finally have a good reason to wear a tinfoil hat!

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  41. Oath of Fealty... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Niven/Pournelle book did a great job of demonstrating this in a more realistic light - they even broached the subject of pseudo-telepathy as well as spammed feeds when Millie was compromised.

  42. Brings a new meaning by trailerparkcassanova · · Score: 2, Funny

    to the phrase "Having a chip on your shoulder".

  43. Massively Paralyzed/Parallellized by JiffyPop · · Score: 1

    ... but if I was massively paralyzed ...

    Am I the only one that thought of a beowolf cluster of quadriplegics? Parallelize the paralyzed!

    (Is this crass enough to be modded down? Let's see :)

    1. Re:Massively Paralyzed/Parallellized by opello · · Score: 1

      as the poster said: massively paralyzed but i think he meant massively parallelized

      since i haven't rtfa, (/me gets out random nytimes account page), i don't know if it's really intentional or not

    2. Re:Massively Paralyzed/Parallellized by JiffyPop · · Score: 1

      since i haven't rtfa ...

      It was a joke. Laugh.

  44. Implants. Hmm. by troon · · Score: 2, Funny

    I know this is going to start a huge discussion of religion in general, but if I can save one person's soul, it's worth it.

    Read Revelation 13 and 14. Take your time - this is one of the most obscure bits of the Bible that is very hard to relate to real life.

    Note what happens at 13:16 - financial transactions are now dependent on some sort of mark (implant?) on the right hand or forehead.

    Skip forward to 14:9, and see what the third angel says. Anyone who takes the mark is out of reach of the salvation through Jesus that all those pesky evangelicals keep trying to push on you. That is your only bridge to eternal life in paradise burned.

    Think about it when the time comes. I know that this particular article is about helping paralysis, and that's great. Just be aware of the danger. Imagine one of those annoying "Are you sure?" dialog boxes.

    Note to moderators: I'd suggest "Troll", "Off-Topic" or "Flamebait", but the Great Commission compels me to write this...

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    1. Re:Implants. Hmm. by Moraelin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Disclaimer: I'm not particularly religious, but I did make a point to read the bible. (And the Koran, and several others.)

      It seems to me like first of all, it clearly speaks of a mark, not of an implant deep inside your body. Second, what it speaks of there, is about accepting the rule of the antichrist and the social/economic structure that comes with it, not about merely getting a medical implant.

      As far as I know, so far noone's asking you to accept some particular government to get a simple medical implant. Noone asked that you change religions to get any other surgery, you know. And noone has been so far asked to get a peg-leg to be allowed to conduct business, so, you know, I doubt they'll be required to get an implant against paralysis either.

      I.e., relax. When someone starts asking you to sell your soul or give up some rights to get such an implant, _then_ you can start worrying. But until then, relax.

      That said, as the old saying goes, "Jesus is OK, but his fanboys piss me off". Ever considered that going crackpot and seeing antichrist conspiracies everywhere might actually do more harm than good towards "saving souls"?

      Even skipping over the "would I want to be associated to a group of conspiracy crackpots" question, it still just begs the question: "would I give a damn about being 'saved' by a god who's against getting a simple medical implant?"

      Sorry, but I have to question how would such a deity count as 'good'. Requiring people to basically just forego medical help and stay paralyzed, just to prove their faith? Doesn't sound like a benevolent deity to me. In fact, it sounds closer to "lawful evil" than anything else.

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    2. Re:Implants. Hmm. by Paulrothrock · · Score: 1

      I find the "mark of the beast" thing highly unlikely. Fingerprints are compatible with the current paper-based communication, and are easily read, indexed, and searched by computer. I recently bought a car, and it would have been great if I could use UV ink to put fingerprints on documents instead of getting writers cramp initialing and signing things. When the docs are scanned, using UV light, the fingerprints can show up, and can't be faked.

      And, therefore, if the ramblings of a psychotic that, in your belief, foretell the return of a man nailed to a tree 2000 years ago are true, then everyone is condemned, since they all have fingerprints.

      And don't bother trying to save my soul, the correct answer is Mormon. :D

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    3. Re:Implants. Hmm. by metlin · · Score: 1

      Note to moderators! This should be modded funny.

      OMG! Fell off the chair laughing.

    4. Re:Implants. Hmm. by fbjon · · Score: 1

      "I know this is going to start a huge discussion of religion in general"

      Well, not that huge, actually.

      "but if I can save one person's soul,"

      The one who registered for NYT, you mean?

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    5. Re:Implants. Hmm. by jimi+the+hippie · · Score: 1

      >> It seems to me like first of all, it clearly speaks of a mark, not of an implant deep inside your body. Second, what it speaks of there, is about accepting the rule of the antichrist and the social/economic structure that comes with it, not about merely getting a medical implant. I'm pretty sure that at the time that Revolutions was written implants were not that prevalent. While I do not read Hebrew or Greek, nor have access to the origonal texts, this is what Webster says: "3 a (1) : SIGN, INDICATION (2) : an impression (as a scratch, scar, or stain) made on something (3) : a distinguishing trait or quality : CHARACTERISTIC b : a symbol used for identification or indication of ownership c : a cross made in place of a signature" A chip implanted in the hand would qualify for this, especially if there is a tatoo put on the outside of the skin to indicate that there is a chip on the inside (as is very likely to happen).

  45. thanks... by Chuck+Bucket · · Score: 1

    (Soul eating registration required)

    you started my day off with a laugh, I appreciate that.

    CBV

  46. I would be willing to wager.... by zogger · · Score: 1

    ... that in the blackops and/or despotic upper power and money levels in the world, that implantable chips that can control a lot of an individuals mind/emotions/physiological functions already exist beyond what "they" might admit to.

    There is some anecdotal supporting this out there that can be found with googling (mkultra, etc), but I have no direct knowledge of it, but given the normal track record of advanced designs and processes out there in those blackbudget areas,ie, "more advanced than you think", combined with the easy to see "benefits" that the same blackops/despotic managers would see in such devices and schemes, I would wager they exist already in some fashion and are being used. There already exists data that drugs are used, for example, drugs that remove a certain amount of normal "conscious" in military personnel so that their violence proclivities might be dramatically increased (I have forgoten the name of the drug right this second, but there have been some incidents reported when returning combat members have continued to be effected by the drugs and have engaged in apparently insane violent acts), along with perceived energy level enhancers "speed"or "go pills", so I could see where they might want to enhance this even farther via microchip implanting.

    And perhaps even leading to the "drone" chip which might be universally implanted (via force or trickery), basically to keep the mass of the population "content" with their lot and turned into..well.. complacent serfs.

    In fact I would be quite surprised if this isn't being done now at least on a prototype scale.

  47. dont laugh... by imsabbel · · Score: 1

    but there was a story about a surgeon wanting to test an orgasm-chip for women, searching test subjects.
    He make the basic discovery for that technique while accidently stimulation wrong parts of the spline of a women that had a punction....

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    1. Re:dont laugh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have no chance no Evildoer! I'll use my orgasmerator!

  48. Slight downside (and opportunity) by borkus · · Score: 2, Interesting
    If you think keeping a fresh ear lobe piercing clean is tough, imagine keeping a skull piercing clean.

    ...the signals from the chip are carried out of the body by wires coming through the skull. When the system is to be used, a cable will be connected to the wires. ... The opening in the skin is permanent and poses a risk of infection...
    Infections were rare and treatable, Dr. Mukand said, and the incidence should be even lower in people, who understand the risk...One uncertainty is whether the implants will move around over time or cause scarring. Either could lead to loss of the neuron signal.
    Of course, I wonder if someone is working on a socket to which bone and skin will graft. If you can get tissue to seal around the housing for the wires, it would make it even easier for people with the implant to live normally.
    1. Re:Slight downside (and opportunity) by Jott42 · · Score: 1

      Oh yes, they are. A lot of people are. It is something of a holy grail: to have something onto which skin will attach itself. But nobody has succeded yet.

      So wireless transmission is the safe route to go. (And then we dont want to discuss that the scarring cited in the parent occurs inside the brain... How safe that is nobody knows...)

      /Jott

    2. Re:Slight downside (and opportunity) by rah1420 · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of a 1976 short scifi story (and apparently a really awful movie) called "Overdrawn at the Memory Bank" by John Varley. You could actually plug your memory -- your consciousness -- into a "cube" and have it "backed up" in case you needed it, or download it into an animal and actually "be" the animal. The protagonist in this story went "doppling" as a female lion in a safari park for a "vacation." The premise was "What happens if the restore doesn't go as planned?"

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  49. Trails in 2004! by virtigex · · Score: 2, Funny

    They hope to start trials in 2004 and you can sign up at sales@cyberkineticsinc.com. Unfortunately, the software runs only on Windows, so you would run the risk of your brain getting hacked.

  50. The END is NEAR! by xmorg · · Score: 1, Insightful

    BEware! This is the sign of the beast! The end is near! BRING OUT YOUR DEAD! THE END IS NEAR!!!!

  51. Re:Serious questions re IP & ubiquitous comput by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    When augmentation becomes common, society will shape itself around it. When the automobile was new a man was required to walk in front of it with a red flag to warn other people. While it might sound like a urban legend, I assure you it's true. It was because the horse carriage manufacturers lobbied to get the so called "Red Flag Act" passed to protect their interests. Said act was in effect between 1865 and 1896.

    There will come a day when augmentation, brain interfaces, will be common and not having them would be like removing a part of your person. Before that there will be a lot of legislation and zealotry. It is IMO however completely inevitable.

  52. v-chip by bl8n8r · · Score: 2, Funny

    I know a dude named Cartman that they already did this to. it is completely safe, just don't cuss at fluffy kitty.

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  53. Applications by MrNonchalant · · Score: 1

    I think it's a given here that physically impaired people will only be about 30% of the market once this becomes perfected. Let's put the facts together:
    "or even to operate lights and other devices through a kind of neural remote control."
    http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/13/health/13BRAI.ht ml
    "would be fully implanted in the brain, transmitting information without wires."
    http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/13/health/13BRAI.ht ml?pagewanted=2
    "Our 12" disco ball is made hundreds of highly reflective tiny glass mirror squares."
    https://ssl.adhost.com/noveltylights/merchant.cfm? pid=70&step=4
    I have nothing more to say.

  54. but can you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can you install Linux in the human brain???

  55. Soul eating registration required by bgeer · · Score: 5, Insightful
    If you are concerned about the NYT's registration then why did you cite their version of the story? You people do realize that NYT and TWP just base their science stories on press releases right? I assure you that there is not a single person at NYT who has a degree in neuroscience, and I doubt there are many more than a half-dozen who even have BSes.

    Why therefore do people submit science stories with a link to NYT when they could just link to the source material? This is the frigging internet. You can do just as much research as the press-release-editing typewriter monkey at NYT can.

    For instance, the facts in this story were reported six months ago on ScienceDaily , three months ago on Wired and dozens of other places that could be found in 20-30 seconds on googlage.

    In summary, if you don't like NYT's registration, don't link to it. You are advertising for them.
    </rant>

  56. Severly disabled? by way2trivial · · Score: 1

    what does that require.. should I ask for the hammer to hit my spine above or below the neck?

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  57. how do you make these? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How do you create registration free links and why don't we just put em as the origional link?
    I'm one of those clueless shmoes with only one internet address. I have been unable to access the NYT website for a year or more having, forgotten my password, and have been unable work their lost password system to get the correct one from them.

    1. Re:how do you make these? by simcop2387 · · Score: 0

      &partner=GOOGLE

      add that to the nytimes articles, i dont know why they don't put it themselves but it works, thanks news.google.com!

  58. Flip-reverse it by jago25_98 · · Score: 1

    "Every reaction has an equal and opposite reaction"

    A speaker can be used as a microphone. A microphone can be used as a speaker.

    Should add some interest to the thread eh?

    1. Re:Flip-reverse it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately, an electric heater can't be used to generate power.

  59. I Want Upgrades..... by thejuggler · · Score: 1

    I can sure use more memory and a math co-processor. Oh, and a built in spell checker.

    I want my brain to be powered by Dual G5's or may some old Dec Aplha cpu's. Yeah !!!

  60. Carpal tunnel be gone! by herrlich_98 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How many words per minute could I type if I didn't actually have to move my fingers?

    To say nothing of having an imbeded PDA in my head reminding me of appointments I'm missing.

    What I *really* want is image recognition tied into my vision so I can instantly remember the name anyone I've ever seen before.

    1. Re:Carpal tunnel be gone! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >What I *really* want is image recognition tied into my vision so I can instantly remember the name anyone I've ever seen before

      And i would like to have a list of 'possible things to say' next to it.

      1.Hi, what's up bro.
      2..
      huh, well you get the idea.

    2. Re:Carpal tunnel be gone! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better yet, let's get rid of these stupid names and refer to each other by mental patterns

  61. Exciting by codeboost · · Score: 1

    I personally think this IS the future.
    Research in brain-microchip interface is currently at a very incipient stage, but when it reaches the level when you can transmit audio or video directly to/from the brain (and lots of other sensory information, like smell, temperature, touch or sexual pleasure) through wireless networks, we'll all be hooked on this stuff.
    And it's just evolution.
    As you may have noticed, the tendency of the human race is to interact more and more on various sensory levels (see: internet, mobile communication, movies, music, computer games) and as an extrapolation of this tendency I sense the desire (and need) to create a unique, collective intelligence, which would be much more efficient in achieving whatever it is we want to achieve.

    Imagine being able to see through the eyes of a friend located 10,000 miles away in real time. Hear and feel whatever he is feeling or hears.
    Or take the easiest case: voice (speech) transmission to/from brain and consider the implications.
    Humans are currently very inefficient due to many limitations of our body. Transmitting information through speech/text is very inefficient, but when you exclude the brain-muscles-mouth/tongue -> ear->brain chain, we will be able to communicate at a considerably faster rate. In time, this ability will improve and we will be communicating at gigabits/second instead of a couple of kbits/second max as we do now through speech. You can imagine the implications this thing will have on all our other activities.

    All in all, I'm very excited about this technology and only wish more time and resources are invested in it, because I think this is the next step in our evolution.

  62. Welcome to the shadows, chummer by Unknown+Kadath · · Score: 3, Funny

    Forget datajacks; I want cybereyes, a smartlink, bone lacing, and wired reflexes. I'll be the baddest street sam in Seattle. No, really. CP 2020 and Shadowrun are starting to look less and less like games.

    If the US Department of Defense incorporates and starts handing out business cards, or kids start getting born with pointy ears, I'm moving to New Zealand.

    -Carolyn

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    1. Re:Welcome to the shadows, chummer by Hentai · · Score: 1

      New Zealand gets it worse, chummer. There's really nowhere you want to be if the shit really goes down.

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    2. Re:Welcome to the shadows, chummer by PakProtector · · Score: 1

      How about outside of the Earth's Biosphere? Be Background count out there is, if I recall, a -12 to a Magic score. That would pretty much stop anything from hitting you, Supernatural Beasty Or Supernatural Phenomenon. Magic don't work in space.

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    3. Re:Welcome to the shadows, chummer by LordMyren · · Score: 1

      wasnt there something about 2038 in there? (shadowrun)

      the other end of time.

  63. Nobody remebers 'seeing' this in wired? by Louis+A.+J. · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Wired 10.09: Vision Quest

    "A half century of artificial-sight research has succeeded. And now this blind man can see."
    The patient lost his sight to accidents. By inserting brain implants and connecting them to cameras he can 'see' well enough to drive again. The dataflow direction is reversed but the implementation is the same.

    1. Re:Nobody remebers 'seeing' this in wired? by imgumbydamnit · · Score: 1

      Forget cameras, check out Optobionics. The whole thing is in the eye.

      My other sig went home.

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  64. Time will tell by Amtiskaw · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This technology is interesting, but as long as it is reliant on sticking spiked electrodes into your brain to reach neurons, it's not going to be that useful. If/when nano-tech develops to the point where it can be used to effectively interface with large volumes of neurons, with minimal intrusion into the physical brain, then we might see some cool/frightening stuff happening.

  65. Holding out by RulesLawyer · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm still waiting for my Google implant.

    Then I'll kick some serious butt on Jeopardy.

  66. It's not difficult to imagine by curlyk · · Score: 1

    this forming the basis for Project Cyborg 3.0 when Kevin Warwick gets to it.

  67. Re: Choose your religion, take your chance... by Walter+Wart · · Score: 1

    But it says in the Noble Quran that nothing is beyond the power of Allah, the Merciful, the Compassionate. And it is also written that He will save those whom He wants to and let Shaitan lead others astray.

    To a Jew the whole idea of "salvation" is kind of weird.

    Religion doesn't necessarily mean your religion.

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  68. Central ON, OFF Switch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For Libido! ect...

    This will eventually revolutionalize the slave trade/industry unfortunately.

  69. um... by Run4yourlives · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I want my brain to be powered by Dual G5's or may some old Dec Aplha cpu's. Yeah !!!

    So you want the brain power of a mouse, or maybe a grasshopper?

    Dare to dream dude.

  70. Actually... by Run4yourlives · · Score: 1

    If you think about it, could you imagine the control a company like MS would have over the population if theirs was a monopoly on brain chips, and not OSes?

  71. With a hair-cut by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Would you like an Intel or AMD chip to go along with your hair-cut?

  72. We are all handicapped now. by Thinkit4 · · Score: 1
    There's a lot of distraction on this--we'll be beyond sex (yes, p0rn) and silly things like "intellectual property" when we really start working on these interfaces. But then we'll see that if we don't have some control over the outputs and inputs into our consciousness--that is what is handicapped.

    We'll use those who have reduced control over the body now--but think of it more as using guinea pigs for the eventual benefit of everyone.

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  73. No need to words by getnate · · Score: 1

    If it could record thoughts and ideas it might eliminate the need for words as we know it. Maybe something like a mind meld.

  74. Hmm. by Run4yourlives · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Not to argue your entire post, but I would like to point out some things you said in the following paragraph, because I think that although you've read the Bible and are being (rightly) critical, you've missed the point of the verse.

    As far as I know, so far noone's asking you to accept some particular government to get a simple medical implant.

    Ah if life were that simple! You're right, nobody explicitly does such things, but implicitly, the consent is given. At the risk of ending this thread (!) nobody voted for hitler to kill 6 million jews either, yet the implicit consent was given by society. The verse warns that it's under this environment that the mark is given.

    Noone asked that you change religions to get any other surgery, you know.

    Again, not explicitly. But what if the path society is following starts to contradict your religion? It may mean nothing to you or me to participate in a capitalist "winner take all" society, but what does it mean to someone that feels that this isn't the right path? One could always move, but remember that the in Revalation the government is global.

    And noone has been so far asked to get a peg-leg to be allowed to conduct business, so, you know, I doubt they'll be required to get an implant against paralysis either.

    Of course not, but try living without a credit card... or how about a bank account... these are enormous amounts of control in the hands of the very few.

    The sky isn't falling, but until we get our act together, technology will give plenty to us, all the while taking plenty away.

    1. Re:Hmm. by Moraelin · · Score: 1

      Look, I'm not going to argue that the current capitalism has its flaws even if you don't get religious about it.

      And you could even argue about the credit card number or SSN as being the mark of the beast. I can see _some_ way in which you could say they symbolize accepting the religion of money. I'm not religious, but honestly, the current rush where all that matters is making a profit _this_ _quarter_, even if it means alienating your customers and burning your bridges... well, it can't be healthy and it _is_ to some people almost a religion.

      But a medical implant that could save people from paralysis? Gimme a break. If that's the fabled mark of Satan, and if God's going to punish the poor paralyzed people who get treated... then I guess I'm just about ready to embrace Satanism. Obviously Satan cares more, then.

      That's all I'm saying. There are many things which could be (mis)interpreted as the fabled mark of the beast, but this?

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  75. That's HILARIOUS! Thanks! Best /. joke ever by jonskerr · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    btw, everybody check out Neil Stephenson's book Interface he wrote under the name Stephen Bury. According to Wikipedia, that's a collaboration with J Frederick George.

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  76. Re:Soul eating registration required by geoffspear · · Score: 1

    Well, the author of the NYT piece has a masters degree from MIT in civil engineering, not in neuroscience, but that's still a lot better than a BS, and you're talking out your ass.

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  77. Add that to your resume - I don't think so by CdnZero · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    So you think that i would EVER allow a Windows PC to be linked/networked/wified anywhere near my brain??? Until it is a Linux world I wouldn't even consider hacking my head.

    What exactly would happen when you end up with the blue screen of death in front of your eyes. Any way you slice it that can't be good!

  78. does it work like the V-chip? by sad_ · · Score: 1

    this suc*PFFFSSSSHHH* as*KKHHHRRRRTTTSS*...

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  79. Call me a purist ... by CFTM · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Alright so I'm a recovering Geek so maybe my opinions don't count (I used to spend 8-10 hours a day on a computer in some manifestation, now I just use the thing to write essays and listen to music ... at work I read slashdot because I have nothing else to do). I think that the idea of chip implentation holds some ostounding possibilities but I feel it's a Pandora's Box. Where do we stop? What if people decide to stop living their life in reality and choose to just plug in and have fantasies fed straight in to the brain.

    The underlying core of being a human being is the ability to make connections with other human beings, thus the next logical question becomes are the connections that could be made "jacked-in" to an artificial reality be considered real. In my estimation it would be "possible" but quite a bit more difficult. As it is we all live behind masks (hence the term persona was adapted from Greek ... the original meaning comes from Greek theatre and it was actually mask) and it is often difficult to get beyond those masks, which is necessay for a real connection to be made between two individuals. Thus the "plugged-in" notion would create another layer of illusion that we would have to deal with in order to make connections.

    Another danger that I think exists with these sorts of interface are eluded to by Phillip K. Dick in some of his speeches and philosophical panderings; Dick asserts that at birth we are not "human beings" rather we exist as entities that have the potential to become so. He goes on to argue that due to the advances that are occuring within the computer world that our definition of who exactly can be a "human being" will need to be redifined. In essence Dick is attempting to assert the idea that we could have human-robots and robotic-humans. In other words, artificially created entities could attain personhood while homo sapiens could degenerate in to cold machines that are not human anymore.

    Those criticsm being said, I think the technology has some amazing potential. I just don't plan to be having anyone or anything jacked in to my cranium, I enjoy my insanity and would like to keep it to myself thank you very much!

  80. A robot master runs this company by geekpuppySEA · · Score: 1
    ...is it at all relevant that the CEO of a company about to perform a historic surgery is named

    SURGENOR!

    Why isn't he the one cracking open the trial patients' heads?

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  81. cyberpunk 2013 or 2020 ;) by jonnystiph · · Score: 1

    Anyone remember the old roleplaying game Cyberpunk? Where you could drop into the local "doctors" office and get a chip inserted in your brain for a very reasonable price.

    When I was a kid I thought that was a great idea. Grown a bit older, I am thinking not so much. I would rather earn my knowledge/skills than have them plugged in. What is knowledge and skill without expierence and wisdom. I realize that is not the topic of the article, but the concept is coming much closer to reality than when I used to play Cyberpunk.

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  82. Compromising health for career by just+fiddling+around · · Score: 1

    Many people compromise their health for a career, and have been forever:

    Professional athletes
    Stuntmen
    Third world miners (even if it does not buy much for them...)

    Conclusion: there will always be someone willing to risk life and limb for money or glory. More so if they are desperatly poor.

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  83. would you want a Microsoft OS in your head? by randall_burns · · Score: 1

    Seriously, it is one thing to have a buggy, insecure OS in your desktop, but would you want a device running a Microsoft OS implanted in your head?

    I suspect that we'll need to seriously rethink systems software to make these things really useful. My guess is that the first real applications of this sort of thing will be extending people's memorization capability and ability to do mathematical calculations of various sorts.

    To put the value of these into perspective, FDR had a man that travelled with him whose main skill was the abilty to remember the name, face and a few facts about anyone he'd ever met. This meant that FDR could greet local politicians by their first name--and ask how their children were doing by name. When that kind of capability becomes available, I doubt any CEO or politician will be able to function without a suitable device.

    The way that western society operates, people tend to emulate their leaders. Credit cards for example were originally used by "high rollers"-and gradually filtered down to the masses. My point here: the capability here is so important, that we have folks that will pay tens of thousands of dollars to get it-and will take considerable risks early in the development curve.

  84. Hmmm. by keithcstone · · Score: 1

    Certainly brings up new possibilities for the Blue Screen of Death.

  85. Re:XX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Didn't get it?

    The bump only exists on the skulls of the Male gender!

    Doh!

  86. Not again... by DynaSoar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Brain chips sound pretty Orwellian"

    Such phrasing is apparently all it takes to get something like this into /. Is there some reason the science can't stand on its own and requires fearmongering to make it worthy?

    "First clinical trials planned for 2004."

    They don't even know if it'll work. And if it does, these things are no more Orwellian than a joystick. RTFA and then act like you did, and stop submitting/releasing ScienceFUD. If you need a fix of Brain Eating Monsters, go turn on SciFi Channel or something.

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  87. Awesome ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now I can get a chip in my brain to solve those damn Calculus problem :)

    If it can help me with my Counter-Strike gaming experience that would be perfect :)

  88. This Alien Shore by Bifurcati · · Score: 1
    C.S. Friedman wrote a book, "This Alien Shore", which describes a future where (among other things :) everyone has "brainware" implanted in them at birth. It's a computer system that augments daily functioning, such as calendar, "wellseeker" (a health monitoring unit, with store of hormones, medicines, etc, that can be dispensed on command) and by use of a headset, allows wireless connection to the outernet (basically, everyone else in the Universe!)

    It's a very neat view on what it would be like if we all had these implants, what various people would load onto their limited space, "modders" who illegally upgrade their system (risking brain damage), and of course, viruses which can directly screw your brain if you're not careful! And, of course, this plays a big part in the story. It's a good read!

    Cheers,
    Joel

    1. Re:This Alien Shore by Zepalesque · · Score: 1

      A fantastic Author (my 2 cents)

    2. Re:This Alien Shore by Bifurcati · · Score: 1
      Yeah, definitely!

      Have you read Black Sun Rising, the first of her Coldfire trilogy? Really good read - I'm just starting the second one now :)

      Cheers,
      Joel

    3. Re:This Alien Shore by neuek · · Score: 1

      Fantastic book its gonna permantly sit on my bookshelf , Truly great read.

  89. A hedonistic approach to the technology? by vpetersen · · Score: 1

    I see there are lots of ideas floating around about sex chip implant, gaming chip implants, other recreational and educational uses, what not.. Why not go to the very top? Implement a brain IC that after being implanted midst the dopaminergic systems of nucleus accumbens will stimulate specific opiate receptors on the will of the owner for a paradise on earth - wouldn't that be the ultimate use for this technology.. being in the most perfect mood all the time, a constant joy of living without crude and primitive methods we employ today like drugs, binge eating, drinking, smoking, gambling, workaholism, desire for power, wealth, sex indulgence, wars, crime, the seven sins.. all this may simply vanish in irrelevance - live in the mood you wish, explore, travel, work, create arts or do nothing at all, all for your own pleasure and not for a necessity any longer...

  90. 'Holy' crap!!! by master_p · · Score: 1

    I know I am going to be ridiculed, but isn't chipping something of a hot topic lately ?

    (tin foil hat ready to be served sir! eat here or take away ?) :-)

  91. more nonesense by LordMyren · · Score: 1

    and such began mans first steps away from the epoch of scribbling on cave walls.

    fundamentally there is no greater advancement than communications. writing and art are the only refinements we've had to language, and i find its shortcomings... well, i dont have a word to describe it. ;) (unsuprising but disappointing none the less)

    maybe in another two hundred years we will finally have a means of communication which more acurately details our meaning, not just increases the efficiency of passing off what content we can make. beyond the threshold where words fail us.

    i think communication is the key to world peace. a pity only the rich will be able to afford it then.

  92. Can i buy and sell without this? by qinglong · · Score: 1

    We know that this will definitely come true, when you will not be able to buy and sell without the chip

  93. Security - Implant a Chip in Your Head by Yohan_Borga · · Score: 1

    I first became aware of this company about January. I immediately thought of the Anime "Ghost in the Shell". Even though the technology is at a "primitive" level, I wanted to know if anyone was looking into the security of such technology.
    We didn't consider security when creating the Internet and many operating systems. We will have access to an individual's body from outside. What will happen then? The "hacking" that took place in the Anime and countless other stories could easily become a reality.
    On 1/14/04 I wrote to info@cyberkineticsinc.com and asked if they or anyone else was considering this question. To date, I have received no reply. I guess it's business as usual. The letter follows:

    Greetings,

    I have been a long time fan of the idea of connecting the brain to our computer and networks. I feel the future man/machine interface of choice will be this method of connection but it does raise a concern. Since Cyberkinetics Inc. is making the possibility here and now, the concern for security becomes here and now.
    I feel the term "if it exists, it will be abused" is even more real today than it was just five years ago. I would like to know if the company is looking at the abuses that can result from this technology. Not just the intentional abuse that may be used by unscrupulous people but the "cracking" we see now on the Internet.
    It may seem a remote possibility at this stage but it's a question that should be addressed and developed along with the technology. Is the company looking into the possibility of "wetware" viruses being introduced as software viruses are? Is the company addressing the issues of privacy the technology will be raising?
    The reason I am asking is that I am an amateur fiction writer and I would be interested in "real world" consideration of such issues.

    What does the slash-dot community thing the next step should be?

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  94. 666 by ylikone · · Score: 0

    The number of the beast! 666 The one for you and me!

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  95. Just don't be an early adopter... by iamjason · · Score: 1

    I had this discussion with a friend a while back. Don't be the first in line for this tech--think about it. Your chip is guaranteed to be obsolete in a year and half, and then what are you going to do, upgrade? The first generation will probably be unremovable. You'll be stuck with a 2400 baud modem in your skull for all eternity.

  96. Orwellian you say... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    > "Brain chips sound pretty Orwellian..."

    Sorry for the rant but I hate the over abused term "Orwellian". People throw it about ad-nausea without even knowing what it means. This story about the chip is about as Orwellian as it is Kafka-esque.

    In 1984(the book these people never read but love to make refferences to) they monitored people through TV's, not some chip implanted in your head. To me that sounds more "Borg-lian" or "Robocop-lian" than "Orwellian".

  97. I already got 4 implants by hatchet · · Score: 1

    It's in MMORPG game eve-online
    Ocular filter, Memory Augmentation, Cybernetic Subprocessor, Willpower

  98. Be a stupid, and report like The Inquirer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0