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National TV Turn Off Week

beforewisdom writes "Next week (April 19th - 25th 2004) is National TV Turn Off Week in the USA. Among the many benefits claimed by tvturnoff.org is that 90% of the people who participate in a TV Turnoff Week successfully reduce the amount of television they watch permanently."

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  1. Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by grub · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I mailed that link (subscriber) to people at work and some friends. Already the replies have been:

    "Great in theory, but there's a new Friends episode on Thursday. [...]"

    [group reply to above] "Yeah, great...in theory...."

    My sister, who hasn't replied back yet, will undoubtedly mention Trading Spaces or another of those TLC shows. Another friend will complain about missing NASCAR or Monster Garage or whatever...

    How the hell can the kids have a hope at reducing viewing, or dumping TV altogether, when the adults around them come up with excuses to not give up the idiot box for just one damn week?

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    1. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by ScottGant · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We don't have a TV, but we watch Sunday night TV at my inlaws house...mainly HBO original programs like The Sopranos and Deadwood at the moment.

      So giving up TV for a week isn't really a big deal for us...

      But giving up the internet for a week? That would be hard my friend...

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    2. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by lazuli42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ever since I've had my cable modem I've hardly watched television at all.

      For example, this year I have watched television for about 6 hours. About three of that was the Super Bowl (with it's totally lame ads this year, blah), and about three of that was the Academy Awards.

      Last year I probably watched about 20 hours worth of television programming.

      One reason that I don't watch television is because of all the awful advertising. It seems like for every three minutes of programming there are two minutes of commercials.

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    3. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Safety+Cap · · Score: 5, Interesting
      "Great in theory, but there's a new (insert banal show title here) episode on Thursday."
      They can always tape/Tivo it.

      Here's the scary thing: the longer you go without watching, the more all the shows REALLY SUCK when you try to start again. I once swore off TV for a month (the second week was the hardest). When the month was over, I found that all the shows were stupid, the laugh-tracks were annoying, and there were no good, original stories. Since then, I pretty much only watch Discovery/History channels with a rare forray into the SciFi channel. When we move in the next few months, I won't be taking cable with me (except the Roadrunner part).

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    4. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by q-the-impaler · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I watch TV typically because my roommate has it on. He's definitely addicted since he got laid off from his IT job. I find myself requiring more interactivity than TV, so I am a computer junkie.

      My girlfriend would argue that she would rather me be a TV junkie, because at least that is something we can do together. She would never think Slashdot was interesting, so you can guess that gaming is out of the question.

      Most people do not want to be free of TV. You have to want to not watch TV and see that your life could be better without it. So, I guess people like us will just have to deal with other people who are not quite as motivated. Temperance is something geeks end up having to learn in order to work with the rest of society.

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    5. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by crow · · Score: 4, Informative
      One reason that I don't watch television is because of all the awful advertising. It seems like for every three minutes of programming there are two minutes of commercials.


      I stopped watching commercials several years ago when we got our ReplayTV. Now on those rare occasions when live TV is on, the ads are rather startling. I also find that ads on the radio feel more intrusive now that I don't put up with them on TV.

    6. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by PhoenixFlare · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How the hell can the kids have a hope at reducing viewing, or dumping TV altogether, when the adults around them come up with excuses to not give up the idiot box for just one damn week?

      Yeah, that's a great way to get people to participate - get angry, act annoyed about the shows they watch, and call it the "idiot box".

      I don't think the lack of joy at your requests should be suprising in the least.

    7. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by identity0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How the hell can the kids have a hope at reducing viewing, or dumping TV altogether, when the adults around them come up with excuses to not give up the idiot box for just one damn week?

      Maybe they shouldn't? 99% of TV is crap - they have a higher crap rate than other media, I think - but that 1% that is good is different for different people. Choosing one week to not watch TV is pretty arbitrary, I think.

      The problem with TV is when people get bad viewing habits - that is, watching it without any particular show in mind, letting it control their schedule, or just vegging out in front of it for hours, etc. As long as people aren't doing that, I don't think turning it off is nessecary.

      As an aside, though - I had a blackout last night, with no TV, and more importantly, no internet. I went outside and talked to a group of my neighbors that had gathered, and had a pleasant conversation. It was actually a nice experience getting to know them. I think this is the kind of thing the people at TV Turnoff week are after, but realistically there is no way to force people out short of a blackout. Plus, you can socialize without sacrificing TV, if you wanted to...

    8. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Bob+McCown · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Us either. We've got a TV, but all thats hooked up to it is the PS2. I love when the local cable company calls to try and sell us. "Im sorry, we dont watch TV" isnt on their little script. Gets them flubbered every time!

    9. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 4, Funny

      Not watching TV has had the opposite effect on me. I haven't had cable or broadcast in my house for a year now. Whenever I go over to a friend's house, I am completely enthralled by the production value that they can put into every advertisement now.

      OMG!@~! It's TIGER WOODS AGIN!

      Holy crap! That charbroiled quarter pounder looks DELICIOUS!

      I'd say I felt like a kid again, but I was way more jaded when I was a kid.

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    10. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by h4rm0ny · · Score: 5, Funny


      A quote from my father:
      This internet thing is killing the art of watching television.

      (I don't have one either).

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    11. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by HybridJeff · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Exactly, why watch TV. Just download the shows you cant miss and watch them on your computer.

    12. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by zymurgy_cat · · Score: 4, Interesting

      One reason that I don't watch television is because of all the awful advertising. It seems like for every three minutes of programming there are two minutes of commercials.

      One of the best channels on TV is Noggin. From 6 am to 6 pm, it's kids' programming with no commericials. Instead, they have songs, little games, or "mini-shows" between the major programs. (They run advertising the other 12 hours when they're programming for older kids.)

      This, of course, has conditioned my kids to be adverse to advertising. One day, we let my older son stay up to watch some animated show on another channel. Everytime a commericial came on, he kept asking if the show was over. We had to explain what the commericials were. He seemed to become thoroughly unimpressed with the idea of someone interrupting his show with other stuff.

      On a side note, I think Noggin is a great example of how you can make something in TV/cable/satellite that people would actually be willing to pay good money for. The only reason I have my existing level of cable service is because of Noggin. If they didn't have it, I'd have almost nothing beyond the basic/extended package.

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    13. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Golias · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Pardon me for threadjacking an early section of the posts, but I see the general trend here is for people to proclaim that TV is, at best, a harmless vice. I would like to take this opportunity to proclaim that I love television.

      Sure, a lot of it is crap, but if you apply Sturgeon's Law, TV holds its own in its obligation to provide 5% non-cruddy content. Setting aside prime-time gems like "Alias" and the ill-fated "Firefly", several of the late-night talk shows (Letterman, Kilborn, and O'Brien) provide relaxing, disposable laugh-filled entertainment on a nightly basis.

      Then there's the wonder of Japanese TV, especially anime, made available at more reasonable priced than ever thanks to the rise of DVD and cable re-broadcasts. "Last Exile" is a science fiction series which shames George Lucas's best work, let alone his recent disappointments.

      So, if anything, I plan on watching even more TV next week, to pick up the slack from those of you who are taking a break.

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    14. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by jokell82 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      But giving up the internet for a week? That would be hard my friend...

      I used to think so, too. But a few months ago I went without the internet for about 2 weeks. It was great. Sure I didn't have much contact with my friends at other schools, but I did a lot more reading and I was outside a lot more. Granted I was kinda behind on the news, and a few friends thought I had died, but in all it was a good two weeks.

      Of course now I've gone back to being online quite a bit, but going without the Internet isn't as hard as some people might think. (geez, I sound like an addict)

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    15. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by SurgeonGeneral · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You want to know whats wrong with television?
      Fine.
      Here it is:

      A television screen works by scanning a picture onto a matrix of "dots", and a standard TV has 512 of these dots. At no time is there every a picture displayed on the screen, but rather each dot is sequentially scanned many times per second. The senses are able to correlate that data very quickly and form a picture. This is based on the Gestalt principle, which says that elements that are similar and congruent will be brought together.

      The funny thing is, the way the picture is displayed seems to hypnotize people. Scientific studies have shown that, within about 10 seconds of watching TV, the brain slips out of alpha waves and into beta waves (like you're sleeping). The right half of the brain (the logical half) literally shuts off, and the TV engages the left, emotional half. This basically shortcircuits normal, rational thought, allowing for the television to establish subtle emotional reactions and attach them to whatever they wish, normally a product, maybe a politician, always an ideology.

      In social psychology there is an effect known by the Elaborative Likelihood Model. This states : "persuasion can take either a central or a peripheral route. The central route requirs a person to think critically about the argument ... at issue is the acutal substance of the argument, not its emotinal or superficial appeal. The peripheral route refers to attempts in which the change in the brain is associated with positive stimuli - like a sports star or musician - that actually have nothing to do with the substace."

      Seeing as television naturally turns off the central route, advertisers literally have an interface into your brain. Famous adman Tony Schwartz said the key to advertising on television is striking "the resonant chord", meaning to get you to buy a product, or think about it next time you're shopping, you just have to hit that one key, attach that one emotion, and the sale is made. Adbusters has created a slogan based on this effect : "The product is you". Advertisers basically pay for the opportunity to strike that chord. You're emotions and ideals get really fucked up in the process.

      It can be insidious. Product placement is a very real concern, because as you are in your "relaxing, disposable, laugh-filled" mood when watching Letterman, its very easy to make you think things you normally wouldnt, and have you make associations that are invalid. People like you are the perfect consumer, the perfect pawn, the perfect mark, because you have no idea what you are getting into when you flick on the idiot box.

      I'll leave you with this quote, from a very wise man whose name escapes me at the moment :

      "Be very careful with what you put into your head, because you'll never, ever get it out."

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    16. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by SurgeonGeneral · · Score: 4, Informative

      By the by, that quote is from "Psychology : The Science of Behavior" by Niel Carlson et. al. which I just so happened to have beside me because of my psych exam this morning.

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    17. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by brysnot · · Score: 5, Funny

      The funny thing is, the way the picture is displayed seems to hypnotize people. Scientific studies have shown that, within about 10 seconds of watching TV, the brain slips out of alpha waves and into beta waves (like you're sleeping).
      You want to know what the funny thing is? About 10 words into your post my brain slipped out of alpha waves and into beta waves.

    18. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by SurgeonGeneral · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The same " At no time is there every a picture displayed on the screen" thing is true for a computer monitor, do I turn into an zombie when I surf the internet too?

      The Elaborative Likelihood Model is not limited to television, it can be induced in any environment with any medium. Television just happens to make it very easy.

      If you would like some context for the model, I have posted a reply to another guy that contains some interesting information and gives a very basic understanding of beer commercials. Hmm I'll just quote it :

      The primary goal of the advertising of almost every product is to get you to buy the product. What you are talking about is "differentiation", and that is a more difficult thing to induce in consumers. First and foremost is to make you want the product however. This is often done, as everyone knows, with sex and social hierarchies, portraying, for instance, beer drinking as fun and extroverted. They hit the chord that makes you think of sex, fun and friends, and they do it in a bar setting, focused on people drinking beer. BEER = fun friends and sex. oh by the way, BUDWEISER.
      Hmm.. how many different beers does Anhauser-busch make?? does it really matter whats on the label? Would you even be able to tell in a blind taste test? (no)


      The fact that there is a product in commercials at all is just an excuse to brainwash. It doesnt really matter whats on the label, and if you want to go even further, it doesnt even matter what the product is. The more people buying ANYTHING = more profit for everyone = more GDP = stocks go up etc. etc. etc. ad nauseum.

      Corporations are so big and own so many thing you cant help but give the largest ones money. For instance, if you have a thing of Kraft peanut butter in your fridge, you have given your money to Phillap Morris, one of the largest Tobacco companies in the world (and believe me, they know how to use advertising)

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  2. Yes, but... by iapetus · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...is it being televised?

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  3. TV viewing is dropping anyway by Grant29 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    According to this previous slashdot article, we are watching less TV anyway. Especially now that the summer is getting close, TV viewing will drop even more. I guess soon enough somebody will start a National turn off the Internet Surfing week. I could turn off the TV a lot easier than staying off the web.

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    1. Re:TV viewing is dropping anyway by garcia · · Score: 4, Interesting

      for the most part, the web is pull content. I am not having content forced down my throat.

      TV watching has no social interaction while actively doing it. At least there ARE places on the Internet that you can be social and actively participate in the content you are seeing (ahem, /.)

      I have wireless net access just about everywhere now. I couldn't live w/o a net connection anymore. I certainly have been able to live w/o TV.

      I guess I am just of a different breed.

    2. Re:TV viewing is dropping anyway by Belgand · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I find that I'm much more social when watching tv than I ever am when using the internet. I mean, sure I might occasionally shout across the hall to my girlfriend about something I see or IM a friend or such, but by and large it's just me and the computer most of the time.

      Watching tv I talk to the people I'm with about what we're watching, things it makes me think of, just random stuff. All while actively watching.

  4. I have been loving not watching as much TV... by garcia · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I don't watch nearly the amount of TV that everyone else seems to. When I moved to Minnesota in November of 2002 I didn't get cable. Comcast gets enough of my money being that they are the only broadband ISP that is economically feasible... Without watching TV for 80% of my daily free time I have found that:

    1. I enjoy the outside more than ever. I even have become accustomed to Minnesota winters and don't really mind when it is -10 or warmer.

    2. I have a lot more free time to keep my apartment clean, cook better and more interesting dinners, and enjoy the company of REAL PEOPLE. Remember, Fahrenheit 451 is getting closer and closer every day with the advent of more and more time/brain sucking material on the TV.

    3. I have found a lot of other interests that I normally wouldn't have. Currently those include reading, geocaching, and drinking. I think I get more out of those activities than listening to terrible singers make terrible renditions of terrible songs.

    4. I have $50/month more to spend on other things that I enjoy to do (i.e. food, drinking, girlfriend, etc).

    5. The knowledge that I am not wasting away, in my apartment, for five hours a night being fed with push content by large conglomerates that have only the size of their pockets to worry about.

    As I have mentioned before, my favorite part of TV is that the government has mandated (with our tax dollars) HDTV to be used. Forcing it to be placed into sets in the future so that we can all double pay for it. Now they realize that we are all fat because we sit on our dead, dying, asses and watch TV. So get out and do something but make sure you pay more taxes to support better TV signals!

    I am looking forward to advocating that others I know do this. Perhaps, if we try, we can get rid of the Reality TV non-sense and promote a healthier lifestyle (physically, mentally, and socially). It's unlikely but at least we can try.

    1. Re:I have been loving not watching as much TV... by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 4, Funny

      ...and drinking

      Yeah, give up T.V. and take up drinking :-)

    2. Re:I have been loving not watching as much TV... by infinite9 · · Score: 5, Funny

      4. I have $50/month more to spend on other things that I enjoy to do (i.e. food, drinking, girlfriend, etc).

      Your girlfriend charges you a monthly fee? Where I come from, there's a word for that...

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    3. Re:I have been loving not watching as much TV... by barzok · · Score: 5, Funny

      We do where I come from too. The word is "wife."

  5. Does it count... by greenskyx · · Score: 5, Funny

    if I just Tivo everything this week and watch it all next week?

    1. Re:Does it count... by tverbeek · · Score: 5, Insightful
      if I just Tivo everything this week and watch it all next week?

      At the risk of being serious... why not? Part of the point is to spend a week doing things other than watching TV, as a learning experience. Coming back the next week and watching twice as much to make up for it might undo some of the good that accomplishes, but you'd still have that week's experience to draw upon.

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  6. Question by Linux-based-robots · · Score: 5, Funny

    Does this include watching episodes of the Simpsons I downloaded off BitTorrent?

  7. Someone has to say it... by dmorin · · Score: 4, Funny
    Among the many benefits claimed by tvturnoff.org is that 90% of the people who participate in a TV Turnoff Week successfully reduce the amount of television they watch permanently."

    And 100% successfully reduce the amount of tv they watch that week.

    :)

  8. Time-shift it! by WestieDog · · Score: 5, Funny

    Do I have to stop tivoing too? It' would be more like "national watch it next week" ... week.

  9. I did it already. by blackmonday · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I did and started saving $80 dollars a month in cable bills too. Didn't miss it a bit, thanks to Netflix.

    Then about 8 months ago I moved in with my girl and now we have a Tivo-like cable box, now I still watch very little TV but I watch what I want, when I want. Very liberating and very cool. By the way, HBO and Cinemax On-Demand kick ass, if you know what I mean.

  10. Correlation vs. causality by squarooticus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This sounds like another correlation vs. causality fallacy: is it not at least as likely that those who are willing to turn off their TV sets for a week are likely to be those who have already gotten sick of TV? Why the addiction implication?

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  11. Better yet... by Dynastar454 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Just get rid of the TV. I've been TV-less for a few years now, and I really don't miss it. I get all my news on-line, I can watch DVDs on my fairly-large computer screen, and all the quality TV series come out on DVD these days, so for those (very few) shows I can pick them up too. Who needs a TV?

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  12. Even if everybody here did give up TV... by CausticPuppy · · Score: 5, Funny

    It just means that the load on slashdot will be higher than average for that week.

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    1. Re:Even if everybody here did give up TV... by JaffaKREE · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I've always been a little confused by the anti-TV sentiment here. Everyone says "there's nothing to watch, all tv is garbage." What about...
      Stargate SG-1
      The Simpsons (sharks or not)
      Malcolm
      Chapelle
      South Park
      24 (Thanks for that 7-week break, fox. Way to ruin the momentum.)
      Enterprise
      Scrubs (funniest show on tv, maybe ever)
      Justice League (never saw it ? try it.)
      Smallville
      Crank Yankers
      Aqua teen hunger force

      That's just the new stuff. Tivo has been picking up plenty of oldschool Sci-fi lately, especially Quantum Leap, Sliders, and Hulk (Bill Bixby). SG1 reruns are on constantly for those who haven't caught on to it yet. There's new Family Guys coming, reruns of that and Futurama on CN. Seinfeld, Simpsons are on constantly. Clone wars just ended, and was pretty interesting.
      So... what's the problem ? Get a tivo if you need to. I don't even have HBO, and half the shows mentioned in this thread as "top quality tv" are on HBO. You've got options.

  13. I don't need to participate... by prescot6 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can turn off the TV whenenver I want.

    Maybe later...

  14. Family by strike2867 · · Score: 3, Funny

    But what will we do when an annoying family member tries to talk to us?

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  15. Seriously by caomania · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Give it a try - you may never turn back. I stopped watching 2 years ago when my free cable got shut-off. Haven't watched more than 12 hours since. With the TV off you'll find lots of additional free time to indulge in more worthwhile pursuits. TV was the opium of the 80s it's time to kick the habit.

  16. Homer says... by towerdave · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wooohooo!!!!!

    More TV for me!!!

    TowerDave

  17. Stupid by USAPatriot · · Score: 5, Funny
    This whole campaign rests on the assumption that there is something bad or wrong with watching a lot of TV. I say that watching as much TV as you want is perfectly fine.

    It's not just entertainment that you'll be missing out on if you participate in thie 'Blackout'. Lots of news, current events, sports, and informational programs will be lost due to this turnoff. Do these organizers realize that? Yes, you can read newspapers to get by, but having moving pictures in your home is one of the greatest inventions of all time. Why would you want to abstain from it for some enlightend purpose?

    These people just need to get a life. It's just like that don't-buy-anything blackout. Some people don't like the choices others make, and try to bust your chops to be like them.

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    1. Re:Stupid by tverbeek · · Score: 3, Funny
      Lots of news, current events, sports, and informational programs will be lost due to this turnoff. Do these organizers realize that? Yes, you can read newspapers to get by,

      Someone please mod this funny.

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    2. Re:Stupid by WuphonsReach · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This whole campaign rests on the assumption that there is something bad or wrong with watching a lot of TV. I say that watching as much TV as you want is perfectly fine.

      You're missing the point.

      The point of National TV Turn Off week is to break the behavoir pattern where all you do when you come home is flop on the couch and turn on the TV for the entire evening and watch whatever happens to be on. Pure escapism, especially if you're not addressing other pressing needs. Some escapism is okay, probably even healthy, but too much avoiding of issues just leaves problems to fester and make things worse down the road.

      Then there are the people who schedule their lives around shows, making themselves slaves of the TV schedule. Remember the slogans "must-see TV" and the like?

      Same old story as a bunch of other vices. Moderation is okay, addiction isn't. But a lot of people live in denial about their addictions and trying to go cold-turkey for a weeks is a good way to determine whether you're in control or your addiction is in control.

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  18. Here's an idea like the nicotine patch... by GPLDAN · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I got a 36" Sony XBR and a Tivo and got sucked in. Sopranos, HBO boxing on Saturday nights, started watching the NHL playoffs (last year). I knew it was bad. I knew I was going down the "joe six-pack" road. Started laying off the bike and gym to play a little Xbox and watch a game. It was keeping me from my SANS studies. I knew I needed a plan.

    I saw this article on CNN last year, and went out and got that stuff. Sold the Sony, sold the integrated tuner/Tivo. Hooked it up to a low cost DirecTV tuner only and dish.

    I started watching TV in a window on my computer. Slowly, I started backgrounding the window, and would IRC, and then code a little, and then slowly, started using it less and less. The software still gave me the Tivo function, so I could take a break and still FF through commercials.

    I highly recommend this approach. Get the fucking big box out of the house. Re-arrange your furniture. Spend the money on a good monitor, 21" or larger, non-plasma. Get the tuner card. Wean yourself off. If you have a family or SO that enjoys "movie night" - do them and yourself a favor. Go to the cinema. Get the hell out of the house.

  19. TV use is inversely proportional to Internet use by Vandil+X · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Among the people I know and work with, it seems that those who spend lots of time on the Internet (or working/gaming on their computers) spend much less time watching TV than they did 10 years ago (pre-mainstream Internet).

    Among the people who still see computing/the_Internet as an appliance, are the ones still watching TV, an age group whose average age is increasing as more and more youths leave television to embrace the Internet and Internet-connected devices.

    Personally, the only time I watch TV now is the few minutes it takes in the morning to catch the weather on the news.

    Coffee, weather, Slashdot.

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  20. Why so desparate to have TV? by paranode · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So many slashdotters act like everyone should be on some crusade to stop TV. Just because they aren't entertained by TV means nobody else should be.

    Forget the 20-100+ hours you spend a week in front of computers (especially if you work with them). The entertainment industry is one of the biggest industries in the US (if not the biggest). People get bored, and people want something to do. So what if their little TV shows give them something to look forward to in the evening or on a Saturday afternoon? Is that any worse than the obsession of reading internet news sites?

    Quit acting like you need to help people cope with their addiction to television. Ironically people who use this argument are often recreational illegal drug smokers. It's all about entertainment folks, don't judge people for the kind they like best.

    1. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by wizarddc · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because it's not productive or constructive. We (as in /. geeks) aren't saying all television is bad, or even certain shows. We're saying there is so much else to do with your life than sit on the couch. I don't own a tv, simply because I'm never home, between work and school. But I do watch tv. My friends and I will watch South Park and Chapelle's Show, and do it as a social activity. Then those shows are over, we'll generally then go do other things, like play music or sports or anything else really. TV as an activity is OK. TV as a lifestyle is horrible.

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    2. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by pileated · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think the question is the quality of the entertainment. Spend your life in front of a tv and you'll never know that richer more rewarding types of entertainment, like reading for one, are available.

      I think the idea is to just try it for a week. If you don't like in then go back to tv. But if you're afraid to even try, then tv sounds a wee bit like an addiction:-)

      But who cares really, it's your life. As far as I'm concerned people who encourage you to watch less tv are like people who encouraged you not to smoke 25 years ago. Anyone can take or leave the advice but many people who took it were glad that they did.

    3. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by Dictator+For+Life · · Score: 3, Insightful
      People get bored, and people want something to do.

      Incredible. So what exactly did people do before they had television? Did they just not get bored? Or did they have other things to do? Or did they find other ways to entertain themselves?

      Don't you think that addiction to entertainment is harmful? It seems not. Unfortunately, it appears that most of the country agrees with you.

      As for me and my family? We don't own a TV. We gave it up over a decade ago. Frankly, we don't know how TV slaves get anything done, because we still don't have enough time to do the things we want to do.

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    4. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because it's not productive or constructive.

      So what. Hanging out on Slashdot is just about as productive and constructive as watching TV. Shall there be a crusade to stop reading/posting to Slashdot? Why do you even feel it necessary to tell people what to do? Who put you and your anti-TV crusading ilk in charge?
    5. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by swillden · · Score: 4, Informative

      The entertainment industry is one of the biggest industries in the US (if not the biggest)

      Are you sure about that? Compare it to the computer industry. The top US entertainment companies for 2003 made:

      • Vivendi Universal: $61B
      • Time Warner: $40B
      • Walt Disney: $27B
      • Viacom: $27B
      • Comcast: $18B
      • News Corp: $17B

      Total $163B. In comparison, look at the top computer companies:

      • IBM: $89B
      • HP: $73B
      • Dell: $41B
      • Microsoft: $32B
      • EDS: $22B
      • Sun: $11B

      Total $268B, in an industry that has many more small players, so the total industry revenues would be even further apart.

      And even that's nothing compared to a really big industry, like the automotive industry. Ford and GM *each* made more money than the entire entertainment industry. And the oil industry makes the auto industry look small.

      The entertainment industry is big, but it's not nearly as big as people think it is. It has influence that is all out of proportion with its real scale.

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    6. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by shayne321 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Oh but it does. People spending all week day evenings nailed to the couch do not excercise, doubtfully eat very healthy. With national healthcare paid out of our taxes it becomes my problem. Just as your heroin consumption.

      Eh, but it's not T.V.'s fault people are "nailed to the couch". Lazy people are lazy people, myself included. If you took away my TV instead of laying on the couch watching the tube I'd be laying on the couch reading a book. Or using my laptop to surf slashdot. Or sleeping. Just because there's suddenly not a TV in the room doesn't mean I'm going to go out and take up jogging.

      Same with heroin. People who tend towards heroin addition generally have addictive personalities and are either trying to escape something (their present, their past), or simply love being "fucked up". But guess what? You take away their heroin and they'll move to oxycontin. Or Robitussen. Or alcohol. You get the idea. You can't change people by removing their access to a vice. This is why bans on gambling/smoking/drugs/drinking NEVER work.

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  21. Calvin & Hobbes by SolemnDragon · · Score: 3, Funny

    By Bill Watterson:

    Calvin: : It says here, "Religion is the opiate of the masses."...What do you suppose that means?
    TV: ...It means Karl Marx hadn't seen anything yet...

  22. Oldmanmurray said it best by superultra · · Score: 4, Funny

    From Erik of oldmanmurray (may it RIP):
    "People who don't watch TV love to mention it and never fail to pair that statement with the fact that they read books too. But as long as they're patting themselves on the back for simply not doing something, it seems to me that there are lots of worse things you could be taking credit for not doing. For instance, next time someone decides to lord over you the fact that he doesn't watch TV, go ahead and tell him "Good for you!" Then while everyone around you is reflecting on his massive intellect, up the awful-things-you-don't-do ante by mentioning that you don't rape people and then add that you watch lots of television instead. Not only does that make you a better person - after all what kind of psychotic jerkoff wastes his time not watching TV when he could be busy not commiting violent sex crimes? - but it gives you sort of an air of barely suppressed operatic rage, which makes you more like Batman."

    linkified.

  23. How about NO TV? Works for me in a weird way by Selecter · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I have been TV free for about 5 years. The first thing I noticed when I quit was how much other people base their lives and personalitys around what they see on TV. It's really amazing. I cant get thru one day at work without someone parroting some viewpoint not of their own making becuase some show said something about a topic.

    The side effect is that I dont live in quite the same world as everyone else, and I am totally not influenced by televised events, so I often do not have the same reaction to things as my co-workers. I never saw the images from 9/11 until weeks afterward. Life was the same for me, before and after, but everyone else around me adopted new postures on life. It was wild. Nothing in their life had changed either, but they went mental. The iraq war did more to change actual life instead of virtual life, becuase some of them have kids over there. Thats reality.

    This reality TV, this Trump thing going on - it has precious little impact on me. I know it's going on but I dont watch it, I dont see the ads, the companies paying for that ad time dont get me.

    I hate TV becuase I consider it to be a tool of government and corporate control and I dont want to be affected. So I dont have a TV in my house and I dont watch. I live a different life becuase of that and my choice I've made.

    1. Re:How about NO TV? Works for me in a weird way by jcorgan · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I can echo a lot of the same. I turned off the TV when my son was born in 1991. One of the last things I watched was the opening salvo of the first Iraq war, on CNN.

      It's true what you say about not living in quite the same world as others around you. There are many cultural references which have their basis in TV shows and commercials, and people act strangely when I mention I have no idea what they are talking about. And I occasionally miss out on such gems as the (Honda?) commercial with the Rube Goldberg setup with all the auto parts :)

      For news I've relied on the 'net--and the fact that I can get viewpoints from journalists outside the US very easily. What is fascinating is not so much the different spin put on world events from different parts of the world (everybody has spin), but rather what gets reported and what doesn't, or how long international events stay in the collective attention span of a region. From the attention given in America, you'd think the recent bombing in Spain or the Bali bombing never happened. When 9/11 happened they put CNN on 24x7 on a wall-sized display in our office cafeteria for a week. (Okay, different magnitude of events but the horror is the same.)

      I travel a lot internationally for business, and I do occasionally turn on the TV set in the hotel room. Commercials the world over are hilarious, and frightening. Television advertising is a multi-billion industry subject to the same market efficiencies as everything else--only the most effective advertising techniques tend to survive in the long run. So what you see in TV commercials is the way it is because it works--a scary commentary on our collective psyche.

      I've even turned off the radio, for the most part. Between the blandness of the FM dial and the hysterical pomp of AM talk radio, there just isn't anything worth listening to anymore. Try turning on a shortwave radio and tuning in to English language broadcasts to witness the vast variety "world band" radio has to offer. Yeah, there are still nutcases, but you also hear about a lot of things we never hear about in our cozy suburban comfort zone.

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  24. Why? by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 4, Funny
    Dear Rabid TV Advocates:

    On second thought, keep on watching. Watch to your heart's content. The bike paths are already crowded enough, and I shudder to imagine what some of your kind would talk about around the water cooler if it weren't for "Survivor".

    What nobody seems to realize is that the world needs mindless drones--lots and lots of mindless drones. I don't want a deluge of sensible, enlightened, productive non-TV watchers. For one, it'll wreak havoc with my sense of superiority. What's more, it'll mean that I'll face stiffer competition both in the workplace and in my pastimes as more and more people wake up and become thoughtful, productive individuals. What, you think I want more competition for that promotion?

    If you stop watching TV, you won't be able to roll your eyes at me and my freakish, elitist, hippie lifestyle. Similarly, I'll be unable to fire off snide insults about your sedentary, mindless lifestyle. Why ruin the fun for both of us?

    I encourage you to watch as much TV as you want, and to share that time in front of the tube with your children, as well. You'll be happier, I'll be happier, and everything will work out wonderfully.

    Hugs 'n' kisses, AAiP

    (hint: tongu_ in ch__k. Buy a vowel...)

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  25. The Kwisach Haderach by AtariAmarok · · Score: 4, Funny

    (like the entire Dune series, including prequels) - Now, I'm sucked back in watching reality TV ... bah .

    Tonight on the Arrakis Broadcasting Company (ABC): "The Kwisach Haderach". 220,000 originally applied, but tonight only one will by chosen by Trump-Gesserit as the Kwisach Haderach. Tune in and spice up your life!

    Over on Tech TV, yet another panel discussion about how Tech TV will survive once the Butlerian Jihad reaches its completion. Quote from Leo LaPorte: "A Vic-20 does not count as a thinking machine, does it?"

    Over on the other network, there is Fear Factor. Yet another worm-swallowing episode. I doubt the typical outcome with the worm swallowing all the contestants in one gulp will ever be altered.

    Also, on CBS (Caladan Broadcasting System), there is "Survivor". Find out who survives when the royal family is dumped on a harsh desert planet.

    On CNN, an interview concerning the ongoing search for Shaddam IV's weapons of mass destruction.

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  26. 2004 is the year of... by heironymouscoward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... turning off your TV?

    I cancelled my TV subscription when I moved house about 4 years ago, and have resisted getting a TV in ouir new home. My wife took about 3 months to adapt, but survived. I rediscovered my evenings.

    TV is very close to a drug. I guess it provides many people with a virtual social exposure with no interaction: sitting still, getting bombarded with faces and voices is kind of bizarre when you think of it. Since program makers can't increase the amount consumed (limited hours in a day), they increase the dose by making TV ever more intense.

    Turning of my TV was hard, very much like stopping drinking coffee or alcohol, but worthwhile for me.

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  27. What about watching when you feel like it... by globalar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If /. was somehow TV-based (I'm stretching, just follow), I would be on a lot more. Better for your mind you say? We can debate that, on /. of course.

    Some people like Friends. I sometimes take a moment to wonder why. Of course, I'm sure they've been wondering what the hell I'm doing reading this website about "news for nerds" all the time. To each his own.

    What's important is that you make the choice, not the companies that run television and that you make the right choice (i.e. don't give up more important things for TV like kids).

  28. Here's what you'll miss during that week.. by mabu · · Score: 4, Funny

    For those that participate and manage to deprive themselves of their precious idiot box programming, let me bring you up to speed on what you'll be missing:

    * Soaps: Wife secretly sleeps with husband's brother who's being blackmailed by their chauffer who is actually a ... DID YOU KNOW NORTHERN BATH TISSUE IS THE SOFTEST?

    * Talk Shows: All this week: Crack Whore Makeovers on Jenny Jones, plus a special appearance by... AMAZING NEW WEIGHT LOSS PILL!

    * Survivor: This week contestants swim through shark-infested waters with dead fish in their mouths; winner receives one sock and... TRY NEW CREST CHEESECAKE-FLAVORED TOOTHPASTE!

    * Saturday Night Live: Woman with nice boobs hosts; cast members create skits so they can cop a feel; musical guest... THE NEW NISSAN XTERRA HAS A V8 AND FIVE (YES FIVE) CUPHOLDERS!

    * News: War going bad; war going good; one guy says other guy will tax everyone into poor house; some dude in Peoria is suing Wal-Mart for $5B for... ISN'T IT TIME YOU TRIED VIAGRA?

    * American Chopper: Paul Sr. continues to abuse Paul Jr.; Mikey explodes after all-night twinkie binge; OCC scapes the bottom of the barrel looking for politically-correct bike themes with their new chopper commemmorating the lawyers who set up the 911 Red Cross fund. Special appearance by... HALLIBURTON.. SUPPORTING OUR TROOPS.

    * Monster House: Team of dysfunctional contractors install a 12' bong and jacuzzi filled with Patchoulli in new "Hippie House"; owners are stunned when they peek in and discover... CHEVY, AMERICA'S TRUCK

    * Talk Shows: Jay Leno's special guest: Billy Bob Thorton; tonite on Conan: Billy Bob Thorton; tonite on Late Night: Billy Bob Thorton. Check out Billy Bob's new movie about... HIENEKEN BEER - IT'S ALL ABOUT THE BEER

  29. Oh no... by arvindn · · Score: 4, Funny

    CHAPEL HILL, NC--Area resident Jonathan Green does not own a television, a fact he repeatedly points out to friends, family, and coworkers--as well as to his mailman, neighborhood convenience-store clerks, and the man who cleans the hallways in his apartment building.

    "I, personally, would rather spend my time doing something useful than watch television," Green told a random woman Monday at the Suds 'N' Duds Laundromat, noticing the establishment's wall-mounted TV. "I don't even own one."

    According to Melinda Elkins, a coworker of Green's at The Frame Job, a Chapel Hill picture-frame shop, Green steers the conversation toward television whenever possible, just so he can mention not owning one.

    "A few days ago, [store manager] Annette [Haig] was saying her new contacts were bothering her," Elkins said. "The second she said that, I knew Jonathan would pounce. He was like, 'I didn't know you had contacts, Annette. Are your eyes bad? That a shame. I'm really lucky to have almost perfect vision. I'm guessing it's because I don't watch TV. In fact, I don't even own one."

    According to Elkins, "idiot box" is Green's favorite derogatory term for television.

    "He uses that one a lot," she said. "But he's got other ones, too, like 'boob tube' and 'electronic babysitter.'"

    Elkins said Green always makes sure to read the copies of Entertainment Weekly and People lying around the shop's break room, "just so he can point out all the stars and shows he's never heard of."

    "Last week, in one of the magazines, there was a picture of Calista Flockhart," Elkins said, "and Jonathan announced, 'I have absolutely no idea who this woman is. Calista who? Am I supposed to have heard of her? I'm sorry, but I haven't.'"

    Tony Gerela, who lives in the apartment directly below Green's and occasionally chats with the 37-year-old by the mailboxes, is well aware of his neighbor's disdain for television.

    "About a week after I met him, we were talking, and I made some kind of Simpsons reference," Gerela said. "He asked me what I was talking about, and when I told him it was from a TV show, he just went off, saying how the last show he watched was some episode of Cheers, and even then, he could only watch for about two minutes before having to shut it off because it insulted his intelligence so terribly."

    Added Gerela: "Once, I made the mistake of saying I saw something on the news, and he started in with, 'Saw the news? I don't know about you, but I read the news."

    Green has lived without television since 1989, when his then-girlfriend moved out and took her set with her.

    "When Claudia went, the TV went with her," Green said. "But instead of just going out and buying another one--which I certainly could have afforded, that wasn't the issue--I decided to stand up to the glass teat."

    "I'm not an elitist," Green said. "It's just that I'd much rather sculpt or write in my journal or read Proust than sit there passively staring at some phosphorescent screen."

    "If I need a fix of passive audio-visual stimulation, I'll go to catch a Bergman or Truffaut film down at the university," Green said. "I certainly wouldn't waste my time watching the so-called Learning Channel or, God forbid, any of the mind sewage the major networks pump out."

    Continued Green: "People don't realize just how much time their TV-watching habit--or, shall I say, addiction--eats up. Four hours of television a day, over the course of a month, adds up to 120 hours. That's five entire days! Why not spend that time living your own life, instead of watching fictional people live theirs? I can't begin to tell you how happy I am not to own a television."

    Source: http://www.theonion.com/onion3604/doesnt_own_telev ision.html

  30. The Words of Howard Beale by Valdrax · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Yes, you can read newspapers to get by, but having moving pictures in your home is one of the greatest inventions of all time. Why would you want to abstain from it for some enlightend purpose?

    I will leave you with a quote from Howard Beale, an overstressed news anchor turned mad street prophet, from the movie "Network":
    You people and sixty-two million other Americans are listening to me right now. Because less than three percent of you people read books. Because less than fifteen percent of you read newspapers. Because the only truth you know is what you get over this tube. Right now, there is a whole, an entire generation that never knew anything that didn't come out of this tube. This tube is the gospel, the ultimate revelation. This tube can make or break Presidents, Popes, Prime Ministers. This tube is the most awesome, god-damned force in the whole godless world. And woe is us if it ever falls into the hands of the wrong people [...movie plot stuff snipped...] And when the twelfth largest company in the world controls the most awesome, god-damned propaganda force in the whole godless world, who knows what s--t will be peddled for truth on this network.

    So, you listen to me! Listen to me! Television is not the truth. Television is a god-damned amusement park. Television is a circus, a carnival, a traveling troupe of acrobats, story tellers, dancers, singers, jugglers, sideshow freaks, lion tamers and football players. We're in the boredom-killing business. So if you want the truth, go to your God, go to your gurus, go to yourselves because that's the only place you're ever gonna find any real truth. But man, you're never gonna get any truth from us. We'll tell you anything you want to hear. We lie like hell! We'll tell you that Kojack always gets the killer, and nobody ever gets cancer in Archie Bunker's house. And no matter how much trouble the hero is in, don't worry. Just look at your watch - at the end of the hour, he's gonna win. We'll tell you any s--t you want to hear. We deal in illusions, man. None of it is true! But you people sit there day after day, night after night, all ages, colors, creeds - we're all you know. You're beginning to believe the illusions we're spinning here. You're beginning to think that the tube is reality and that your own lives are unreal. You do whatever the tube tells you. You dress like the tube, you eat like the tube, you raise your children like the tube. You even think like the tube.

    This is mass madness. You maniacs. In God's name, you people are the real thing. We are the illusion. So turn off your television sets. Turn them off now. Turn them off right now. Turn them off and leave them off. Turn them off right in the middle of this sentence I am speaking to you now. Turn them off!
    Network is simply one of the best movies ever made about TV and the News. I highly recommend it. Despite 70s dress and equipment, it manages not to be dated. All the issues it deals with are still relevant, from how sensationalism taints objectivity and values to how quickly idealists can sell-out when given the opportunity.
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  31. Already happened... by gillbates · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I gave up tv several years ago.

    My Mom, unfortunately, bought me a set for Christmas when I moved into an apartment. I say "unfortunately" because my wife is now addicted to tv, and I can't stand the thing, personally.

    After the Army, everything changed for me. I had been there, done that in a very big way. After college, I became aware of how positively assinine the programming was:

    • I can't watch a news program without wondering how much they've exaggerated, how much they've left out, or if they've made the whole thing up.
    • I can't watch a sitcom without being inundated with someone else's socio-political agenda. Yes, I know gays exist. No, the fact that you're gay does't make you a good actor, nor does it make your story interesting. Everyone has had to overcome something in their life, and you are no different - but just less interesting.
    • I can't watch a "reality" show at all. On the rare occasion when the contestant is smarter than a cardboard box, they still can't act. I'm listening to someone spill their guts about their date, rehashing it like an NFL play-by-play. And then, in some monotone voice, they tell me that they "care about this person, might have feelings for them..." Which makes me think their love for this person is no deeper than a puddle, or they're just trying to pretend they love this person so they go home with the prize money.

    Television really doesn't offer me anything anymore.

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