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National TV Turn Off Week

beforewisdom writes "Next week (April 19th - 25th 2004) is National TV Turn Off Week in the USA. Among the many benefits claimed by tvturnoff.org is that 90% of the people who participate in a TV Turnoff Week successfully reduce the amount of television they watch permanently."

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  1. Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by grub · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I mailed that link (subscriber) to people at work and some friends. Already the replies have been:

    "Great in theory, but there's a new Friends episode on Thursday. [...]"

    [group reply to above] "Yeah, great...in theory...."

    My sister, who hasn't replied back yet, will undoubtedly mention Trading Spaces or another of those TLC shows. Another friend will complain about missing NASCAR or Monster Garage or whatever...

    How the hell can the kids have a hope at reducing viewing, or dumping TV altogether, when the adults around them come up with excuses to not give up the idiot box for just one damn week?

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    1. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by ScottGant · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We don't have a TV, but we watch Sunday night TV at my inlaws house...mainly HBO original programs like The Sopranos and Deadwood at the moment.

      So giving up TV for a week isn't really a big deal for us...

      But giving up the internet for a week? That would be hard my friend...

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    2. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by grub · · Score: 2, Interesting


      But giving up the internet for a week? That would be hard my friend...

      Yes, indeed. It's where I get most of my news and information from! (cancelled my cable TV last year)

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    3. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by lazuli42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ever since I've had my cable modem I've hardly watched television at all.

      For example, this year I have watched television for about 6 hours. About three of that was the Super Bowl (with it's totally lame ads this year, blah), and about three of that was the Academy Awards.

      Last year I probably watched about 20 hours worth of television programming.

      One reason that I don't watch television is because of all the awful advertising. It seems like for every three minutes of programming there are two minutes of commercials.

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    4. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Safety+Cap · · Score: 5, Interesting
      "Great in theory, but there's a new (insert banal show title here) episode on Thursday."
      They can always tape/Tivo it.

      Here's the scary thing: the longer you go without watching, the more all the shows REALLY SUCK when you try to start again. I once swore off TV for a month (the second week was the hardest). When the month was over, I found that all the shows were stupid, the laugh-tracks were annoying, and there were no good, original stories. Since then, I pretty much only watch Discovery/History channels with a rare forray into the SciFi channel. When we move in the next few months, I won't be taking cable with me (except the Roadrunner part).

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    5. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by q-the-impaler · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I watch TV typically because my roommate has it on. He's definitely addicted since he got laid off from his IT job. I find myself requiring more interactivity than TV, so I am a computer junkie.

      My girlfriend would argue that she would rather me be a TV junkie, because at least that is something we can do together. She would never think Slashdot was interesting, so you can guess that gaming is out of the question.

      Most people do not want to be free of TV. You have to want to not watch TV and see that your life could be better without it. So, I guess people like us will just have to deal with other people who are not quite as motivated. Temperance is something geeks end up having to learn in order to work with the rest of society.

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    6. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by crow · · Score: 4, Informative
      One reason that I don't watch television is because of all the awful advertising. It seems like for every three minutes of programming there are two minutes of commercials.


      I stopped watching commercials several years ago when we got our ReplayTV. Now on those rare occasions when live TV is on, the ads are rather startling. I also find that ads on the radio feel more intrusive now that I don't put up with them on TV.

    7. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by PhoenixFlare · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How the hell can the kids have a hope at reducing viewing, or dumping TV altogether, when the adults around them come up with excuses to not give up the idiot box for just one damn week?

      Yeah, that's a great way to get people to participate - get angry, act annoyed about the shows they watch, and call it the "idiot box".

      I don't think the lack of joy at your requests should be suprising in the least.

    8. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Welcome back to the world of the thinking.

    9. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by identity0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How the hell can the kids have a hope at reducing viewing, or dumping TV altogether, when the adults around them come up with excuses to not give up the idiot box for just one damn week?

      Maybe they shouldn't? 99% of TV is crap - they have a higher crap rate than other media, I think - but that 1% that is good is different for different people. Choosing one week to not watch TV is pretty arbitrary, I think.

      The problem with TV is when people get bad viewing habits - that is, watching it without any particular show in mind, letting it control their schedule, or just vegging out in front of it for hours, etc. As long as people aren't doing that, I don't think turning it off is nessecary.

      As an aside, though - I had a blackout last night, with no TV, and more importantly, no internet. I went outside and talked to a group of my neighbors that had gathered, and had a pleasant conversation. It was actually a nice experience getting to know them. I think this is the kind of thing the people at TV Turnoff week are after, but realistically there is no way to force people out short of a blackout. Plus, you can socialize without sacrificing TV, if you wanted to...

    10. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by mopomi · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I convinced my wife to allow me to purchase a projector for watching movies in the living room. We decided that the TV would be better placed elsewhere in the house. I purposefully did not buy a TV tuner of any sort (VCR or otherwise) for the projection system. When we moved the TV, we never reconnected it. A week later, we discontinued our cable (which had been ordered only a few months earlier). A month later, we gave the TV to my wife's parents (and they gave us their tiny one, which now resides in the office).


      Yesterday (about four months since buying the projector), my wife said, "I'm glad we don't have a TV any more. I tried watching 'Friends' last night and couldn't stand it--the commercials don't stay on one scene for more than two seconds, and everything is stupid."

      It's great having our living room back. When we want to watch movies, the wall is the center of attention, but otherwise, we use our living room for living rather than watching TV. Our son (18 months) doesn't know what TV is, and doesn't care. When we watch movies, he's more interested in the projector than the movie. . .

    11. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Bob+McCown · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Us either. We've got a TV, but all thats hooked up to it is the PS2. I love when the local cable company calls to try and sell us. "Im sorry, we dont watch TV" isnt on their little script. Gets them flubbered every time!

    12. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Porthos · · Score: 2, Funny

      Most people do not want to be free of TV. You have to want to not watch TV and see that your life could be better without it.

      That's why we never disconnect anyone over 30. Their minds simply can't handle it. -The Matrix

    13. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Ssbe · · Score: 2, Interesting

      But giving up the internet for a week? That would be hard my friend...

      Hard? Try impossible. How else would I keep in contact with all my friends and family? Pay my bills? Keep up with the news? ... etc. And that's just personal uses. I'm sure my boss wouldn't be to happy about me not working on any of my projects all week because I couldn't use the internet to store and transfer important files. Just my 2 cents.

    14. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by madman101 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I thought there already was a campaign to get everyone to turn off their TV's??? It's called "reality tv"...

    15. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by krumms · · Score: 2, Funny

      Since then, I pretty much only watch Discovery/History channels with a rare forray into the SciFi channel.

      Holy shit ... beware, everyone - not watching T.V. for a month may turn you into a no-life nature nerd like my father.

    16. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 4, Funny

      Not watching TV has had the opposite effect on me. I haven't had cable or broadcast in my house for a year now. Whenever I go over to a friend's house, I am completely enthralled by the production value that they can put into every advertisement now.

      OMG!@~! It's TIGER WOODS AGIN!

      Holy crap! That charbroiled quarter pounder looks DELICIOUS!

      I'd say I felt like a kid again, but I was way more jaded when I was a kid.

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    17. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by h4rm0ny · · Score: 5, Funny


      A quote from my father:
      This internet thing is killing the art of watching television.

      (I don't have one either).

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    18. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by dustmote · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I feel like I go both ways on that one. On the one hand, I hate most TV now that I don't have it myself, because it very quickly becomes inane and a timewaster, but at the same time, it's really difficult for me to ignore one when they're on. I think I'm pretty susceptible to a flickering screen designed to make me pay attention. That's why I almost never turn them on - it bothers me that I have such a hard time blocking them out. I like my life without television. With television, I don't even notice my life for hours at a time. Bleah.

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    19. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Lord+Kano · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As a child I watched almost nothing but educational programs. As an adult I continue to watch lots of educational programs.

      You speak of TV as if it's inherently bad. It's not.

      I suppose that as the number of available channels has increased the signal to noise ratio has gotten much worse, but there is still a lot of good programming out there.

      LK

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    20. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by HybridJeff · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Exactly, why watch TV. Just download the shows you cant miss and watch them on your computer.

    21. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by zymurgy_cat · · Score: 4, Interesting

      One reason that I don't watch television is because of all the awful advertising. It seems like for every three minutes of programming there are two minutes of commercials.

      One of the best channels on TV is Noggin. From 6 am to 6 pm, it's kids' programming with no commericials. Instead, they have songs, little games, or "mini-shows" between the major programs. (They run advertising the other 12 hours when they're programming for older kids.)

      This, of course, has conditioned my kids to be adverse to advertising. One day, we let my older son stay up to watch some animated show on another channel. Everytime a commericial came on, he kept asking if the show was over. We had to explain what the commericials were. He seemed to become thoroughly unimpressed with the idea of someone interrupting his show with other stuff.

      On a side note, I think Noggin is a great example of how you can make something in TV/cable/satellite that people would actually be willing to pay good money for. The only reason I have my existing level of cable service is because of Noggin. If they didn't have it, I'd have almost nothing beyond the basic/extended package.

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    22. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Golias · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Pardon me for threadjacking an early section of the posts, but I see the general trend here is for people to proclaim that TV is, at best, a harmless vice. I would like to take this opportunity to proclaim that I love television.

      Sure, a lot of it is crap, but if you apply Sturgeon's Law, TV holds its own in its obligation to provide 5% non-cruddy content. Setting aside prime-time gems like "Alias" and the ill-fated "Firefly", several of the late-night talk shows (Letterman, Kilborn, and O'Brien) provide relaxing, disposable laugh-filled entertainment on a nightly basis.

      Then there's the wonder of Japanese TV, especially anime, made available at more reasonable priced than ever thanks to the rise of DVD and cable re-broadcasts. "Last Exile" is a science fiction series which shames George Lucas's best work, let alone his recent disappointments.

      So, if anything, I plan on watching even more TV next week, to pick up the slack from those of you who are taking a break.

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    23. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by jokell82 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      But giving up the internet for a week? That would be hard my friend...

      I used to think so, too. But a few months ago I went without the internet for about 2 weeks. It was great. Sure I didn't have much contact with my friends at other schools, but I did a lot more reading and I was outside a lot more. Granted I was kinda behind on the news, and a few friends thought I had died, but in all it was a good two weeks.

      Of course now I've gone back to being online quite a bit, but going without the Internet isn't as hard as some people might think. (geez, I sound like an addict)

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    24. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by uvasmith · · Score: 2, Informative

      Temperance is something geeks end up having to learn in order to work with the rest of society.

      Temperance refers to avoiding excess and is often used with respect to drinking and other vices, though is not limited to them. I think you meant tolerance.

    25. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by killjoe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      SMACK.

      How dare you leave off the daily show with John Stewart. The funniest show on TV.

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    26. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by SurgeonGeneral · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You want to know whats wrong with television?
      Fine.
      Here it is:

      A television screen works by scanning a picture onto a matrix of "dots", and a standard TV has 512 of these dots. At no time is there every a picture displayed on the screen, but rather each dot is sequentially scanned many times per second. The senses are able to correlate that data very quickly and form a picture. This is based on the Gestalt principle, which says that elements that are similar and congruent will be brought together.

      The funny thing is, the way the picture is displayed seems to hypnotize people. Scientific studies have shown that, within about 10 seconds of watching TV, the brain slips out of alpha waves and into beta waves (like you're sleeping). The right half of the brain (the logical half) literally shuts off, and the TV engages the left, emotional half. This basically shortcircuits normal, rational thought, allowing for the television to establish subtle emotional reactions and attach them to whatever they wish, normally a product, maybe a politician, always an ideology.

      In social psychology there is an effect known by the Elaborative Likelihood Model. This states : "persuasion can take either a central or a peripheral route. The central route requirs a person to think critically about the argument ... at issue is the acutal substance of the argument, not its emotinal or superficial appeal. The peripheral route refers to attempts in which the change in the brain is associated with positive stimuli - like a sports star or musician - that actually have nothing to do with the substace."

      Seeing as television naturally turns off the central route, advertisers literally have an interface into your brain. Famous adman Tony Schwartz said the key to advertising on television is striking "the resonant chord", meaning to get you to buy a product, or think about it next time you're shopping, you just have to hit that one key, attach that one emotion, and the sale is made. Adbusters has created a slogan based on this effect : "The product is you". Advertisers basically pay for the opportunity to strike that chord. You're emotions and ideals get really fucked up in the process.

      It can be insidious. Product placement is a very real concern, because as you are in your "relaxing, disposable, laugh-filled" mood when watching Letterman, its very easy to make you think things you normally wouldnt, and have you make associations that are invalid. People like you are the perfect consumer, the perfect pawn, the perfect mark, because you have no idea what you are getting into when you flick on the idiot box.

      I'll leave you with this quote, from a very wise man whose name escapes me at the moment :

      "Be very careful with what you put into your head, because you'll never, ever get it out."

      .

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    27. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by SurgeonGeneral · · Score: 4, Informative

      By the by, that quote is from "Psychology : The Science of Behavior" by Niel Carlson et. al. which I just so happened to have beside me because of my psych exam this morning.

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    28. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by ragnar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Your point on the laugh track is well taken. I have been tv free for several years and recently watched an episode of "friends" at a hotel. The laugh track was terribly distracting and jumped right out at me. I can't help but think most people watch the whole show and never notice.

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    29. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by m0smithslash · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I used to agree with the "at least its something we do together", but not anymore. Watching TV is NOT a group activity. Just try starting a conversation with someone watching the "brain sucker". Watching TV is at best a number of individuals watching something, but there is certainly no togetherness involved. Just like when you come on a wreck on the freeway, everyone is watching, but they are not "bonding" in any way.

      So why would the girlfriend want to watch TV with you? A couple of reasons. First, she knows she is wasting time, but if she is doing it "with" ( in the same room ) you, then she is not wasting time, but spending it with you. Its kind of romantic in a completely lame way. But if you aren't wasting time with her, but are wasting time on games, then you are both just wasting time because there is no togetherness. See how much sense it makes? What you need to do is remeber that relationships are 50-50. So, if you are going to waste time in a together sort of way watching the boob tube, then she should waste an equal amount of time doing something you enjoy, be it games, slashdot, whatever. It will strengthen the relationship, plus non-TV time wasting often allows the couple to communicate (about the game, slashdot postings like this one, etc).

      Second, there is the female need to remake her man. If you are watching tv she likes, then you will be influenced to come in closer contact with your feminine side. So the guys on Friends and Will and Grace can be your role models for a newer better you. If she is not helping, you might get some strange, guy-like ideas that she is trying to shield you from. The solution is to again work out 50-50 time wasting, allowing her to get in touch with her masculine side, especially by reading excellent slash dot posting like this one.

      Lastly, there is the need for companionship. See how women travel in flocks to the restroom, or how they like having a dog? You, as the boyfriend, fill the role of the dog. Someone to sit by her side or at her feet, lavishing her with constant attention and being there for the moment, usually during the commercial, when she needs to pay attention to something other than the TV. The best way not to be her lapdog, insist that she spend as much time being your lapdog as you do for her. I think you get it by now. Let her sit idly by while you play games online. Be sure to acknoldge her presence every 22 minutes by asking her to do something for you. Get something to eat or take the trash out.

      Wait, I had a thought. Check it out. Turn off the TV and the computer and go out into the real world. No, no, no, don't go to a movie. Go swimming, dancing, racquetball, anything that actually causes you heart to pump and for you two to experience a common experience, one in which you are both active participants and not just idle observers.

      Yeah, I know its too crazy to work. Yeah, me too. I need to get back to the next slash dot article. I wonder what's on Friends tonight?

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    30. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by brysnot · · Score: 5, Funny

      The funny thing is, the way the picture is displayed seems to hypnotize people. Scientific studies have shown that, within about 10 seconds of watching TV, the brain slips out of alpha waves and into beta waves (like you're sleeping).
      You want to know what the funny thing is? About 10 words into your post my brain slipped out of alpha waves and into beta waves.

    31. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Golias · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Then why don't I like any of the beers sold advertised during David Letterman's shows? I watch a lot of TV. If there was any truth to your gibberish whatsoever, I would automatically prefer Miller and Budweiser over my favorite mircro-brews... but I think they're shitty.

      It sounds to me like the folks from Adbusters were far more successful at brainwashing you than network TV has been with me.

      The funny thing is, the way the picture is displayed seems to hypnotize people. Scientific studies have shown that, within about 10 seconds of watching TV, the brain slips out of alpha waves and into beta waves (like you're sleeping).

      My God, how I wish that was true! I've been an insomniac for my whole life, and if TV was an effective substitute for sleep (rather than something to occupy my restless waking hours), my problems would be over!

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    32. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by beforewisdom · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Here's the scary thing: the longer you go without watching, the more all the shows REALLY SUCK when you try to start again. I once swore off TV for a month (the second week was the hardest). When the month was over, I found that all the shows were stupid, the laugh-tracks were annoying, and there were no good, original stories.
      Its called "waking up" from of the trance you were in.

      I had the same experience when I first went away to college. I would come home after an entire semester of not watching TV and it would all seem moronic to me. By the end of the summer it all seemed like good stuff again..

      Anyone who has any doubt about television effecting their minds should try giving it up for a few weeks as an experiment and then noting how they percieve the quality of the content once they start watching television again.

      Steve

    33. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Vellmont · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So the "alpha state zombie" effect isn't true for say.. a movie, or a play? Your techno-geek explanation sounds nice, but I don't buy it without context. The same " At no time is there every a picture displayed on the screen" thing is true for a computer monitor, do I turn into an zombie when I surf the internet too?

      The thing that's wrong about TV is that people have become too enamored with unreality. People get a very distored picture of the world through TV, and too many assume that it's real. The "news" is contains little content and all emotion. Then Oprah comes on spewing her further distored trash. I still watch TV of course, but in recent years the trash has overtaken anything of value.

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    34. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
      "Be very careful with what you put into your head, because you'll never, ever get it out."

      What a beautiful quote to summarize your post. Your post is full of the same sort of gibberish that behavioural psychologists have been spewing all through the last hundred years or so. This same sort of thing was used to prove the negro is inferior because of his facial angle, to prove that rock and roll turns people in primitive savages with its wild, jungle rhythms... the ideas persisted long after the social desire that "justified" fudging the results a little evaporated.

      Th left half/right half thing has been particularly insidious in holding on. The simple idea that the left half is the seat of all rational thought, and that you can nicely snip out that bit, it's patently nonsense.

      The studies which established that were based on epileptic patients who'd had their brains therepeutically cut in half, as I'm sure you, the psychology student, know. That's like Freud building a theory of the entire human psyche primarily by talking to emotionally disturbed women. Not representative of the entire population. A brain that has been cut in half works that way... a brain that hasn't works far differently.

      Consider that if you cut a car in half, the back will seem to be for storing cargo, and the front for moving the car forward. The front will work for a little while until there's no more gas in the pipeline. Connect the two, and you realize that the back is critical because it has fuel, electrical system, computer systems.... all sort of things you didn't realize did anything to move the car, because they weren't doing anything while the car was cut in half. You labelled them as "unknown purpose."

      PET scans have revealed a far more complex picture of the working of the brain. Brain waves are the very crudest way in which to measure the brain's functions... a single overall wave for trillions of neurons.

      TV's a pretty messed up medium, but introductory undergraduate psychology textbooks are far worse.

    35. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by SurgeonGeneral · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The same " At no time is there every a picture displayed on the screen" thing is true for a computer monitor, do I turn into an zombie when I surf the internet too?

      The Elaborative Likelihood Model is not limited to television, it can be induced in any environment with any medium. Television just happens to make it very easy.

      If you would like some context for the model, I have posted a reply to another guy that contains some interesting information and gives a very basic understanding of beer commercials. Hmm I'll just quote it :

      The primary goal of the advertising of almost every product is to get you to buy the product. What you are talking about is "differentiation", and that is a more difficult thing to induce in consumers. First and foremost is to make you want the product however. This is often done, as everyone knows, with sex and social hierarchies, portraying, for instance, beer drinking as fun and extroverted. They hit the chord that makes you think of sex, fun and friends, and they do it in a bar setting, focused on people drinking beer. BEER = fun friends and sex. oh by the way, BUDWEISER.
      Hmm.. how many different beers does Anhauser-busch make?? does it really matter whats on the label? Would you even be able to tell in a blind taste test? (no)


      The fact that there is a product in commercials at all is just an excuse to brainwash. It doesnt really matter whats on the label, and if you want to go even further, it doesnt even matter what the product is. The more people buying ANYTHING = more profit for everyone = more GDP = stocks go up etc. etc. etc. ad nauseum.

      Corporations are so big and own so many thing you cant help but give the largest ones money. For instance, if you have a thing of Kraft peanut butter in your fridge, you have given your money to Phillap Morris, one of the largest Tobacco companies in the world (and believe me, they know how to use advertising)

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    36. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Vellmont · · Score: 2, Interesting


      Who cares if I choose Charmin over Scotts toilet paper? It's really a minor decision in life that shouldn't take much consideration.

      Thats a closedminded statement. Who cares? The people that make BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS selling you bathroom supplies. Thats who. It doesnt matter to you, and they know that. Thats what directing you to a certain product has to be either unconcious, or have a very good argument.


      Of course the companies care which toilet paper I choose, but it really has little effect elsewhere. Many people care about things I put no value on. The fact that other people put different values on things than me is really beside the point. The point is that peoples choice of toilet paper has little effect in the world, so I'm hardly concered at all if some advertisement affects this minor choice in my world. I guess maybe if I hear proctor and gamble rapes puppies, I might think twice about buying Charmin. But everything being equal, it's more of a burden on my to be concerned about such minor decisions.

      We make a nearly infinite amount of choices every day. Which word do I use in this sentence? Do I eat chili, or go out to eat? Do I jump up the stairs, or tiptoe? If you become concerned about if "you" really made the choice (and weren't influence against your will), you'll surely go mad. Some decisions are less important than others. Which toilet paper to buy ranks below do I eat chili tonight for me. The fact that some evil corp is influencing that decision in some minor way doesn't really concern me, since I don't think it's an important decision.


      But I think what you've said begs this comment to be repeated : On many levels the goal of advertising is not to get you to buy a certain product, its to get you to buy. Its to get you to want, to NEED. Having you choose a *particular brand* of a product is not the primary goal in a lot of cases. Thats why television is so dangerous and people launch campaigns against it : there is a concious and directed effort to increase consumption by shaping your thinking while you watch television. Ever wonder why you even need toilet paper in the first place? Didnt think so.


      Sure, I generally agree that advertising often encourages people to think they need something. ALl too often people get burned on this and only feel relieved from a need by buying a product. I think the anti-TV crusaders are going down the wrong path though. Really what you should be doing is teaching people to self analyse. Why do you need that thing? Will it really give you what you think it will? TV isn't the cause of rampant consumerism, so getting people to watch less TV won't solve that problem. Getting people to wake up actually might.

      As far as the "why do you need toilet paper" thought, I _need_ toilet paper because I was raised in a culture where that's the thing we use to get shit off our asses. If I were raised somewhere else, I might use a magic Japanese toilet, or some bizzaro shells to remove the shit. If you've got some better way to remove shit from asses, bring it on. But the problem in selling your product is going to be mainly cultural, not advertising drilled into peoples heads that TP is the only way. Yah, yah, advertising influence the culture, but why doesn't all advertising suceeed then? There's much larger forces at work than simple programming of people through ads. It's far to complicated to address that in this post though (and I doubt I could even tackle that).

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  2. Yes, but... by iapetus · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...is it being televised?

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  3. TV viewing is dropping anyway by Grant29 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    According to this previous slashdot article, we are watching less TV anyway. Especially now that the summer is getting close, TV viewing will drop even more. I guess soon enough somebody will start a National turn off the Internet Surfing week. I could turn off the TV a lot easier than staying off the web.

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    1. Re:TV viewing is dropping anyway by garcia · · Score: 4, Interesting

      for the most part, the web is pull content. I am not having content forced down my throat.

      TV watching has no social interaction while actively doing it. At least there ARE places on the Internet that you can be social and actively participate in the content you are seeing (ahem, /.)

      I have wireless net access just about everywhere now. I couldn't live w/o a net connection anymore. I certainly have been able to live w/o TV.

      I guess I am just of a different breed.

    2. Re:TV viewing is dropping anyway by Belgand · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I find that I'm much more social when watching tv than I ever am when using the internet. I mean, sure I might occasionally shout across the hall to my girlfriend about something I see or IM a friend or such, but by and large it's just me and the computer most of the time.

      Watching tv I talk to the people I'm with about what we're watching, things it makes me think of, just random stuff. All while actively watching.

  4. I have been loving not watching as much TV... by garcia · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I don't watch nearly the amount of TV that everyone else seems to. When I moved to Minnesota in November of 2002 I didn't get cable. Comcast gets enough of my money being that they are the only broadband ISP that is economically feasible... Without watching TV for 80% of my daily free time I have found that:

    1. I enjoy the outside more than ever. I even have become accustomed to Minnesota winters and don't really mind when it is -10 or warmer.

    2. I have a lot more free time to keep my apartment clean, cook better and more interesting dinners, and enjoy the company of REAL PEOPLE. Remember, Fahrenheit 451 is getting closer and closer every day with the advent of more and more time/brain sucking material on the TV.

    3. I have found a lot of other interests that I normally wouldn't have. Currently those include reading, geocaching, and drinking. I think I get more out of those activities than listening to terrible singers make terrible renditions of terrible songs.

    4. I have $50/month more to spend on other things that I enjoy to do (i.e. food, drinking, girlfriend, etc).

    5. The knowledge that I am not wasting away, in my apartment, for five hours a night being fed with push content by large conglomerates that have only the size of their pockets to worry about.

    As I have mentioned before, my favorite part of TV is that the government has mandated (with our tax dollars) HDTV to be used. Forcing it to be placed into sets in the future so that we can all double pay for it. Now they realize that we are all fat because we sit on our dead, dying, asses and watch TV. So get out and do something but make sure you pay more taxes to support better TV signals!

    I am looking forward to advocating that others I know do this. Perhaps, if we try, we can get rid of the Reality TV non-sense and promote a healthier lifestyle (physically, mentally, and socially). It's unlikely but at least we can try.

    1. Re:I have been loving not watching as much TV... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      "I have found a lot of other interests that I normally wouldn't have, [including] drinking."

      Ditch TV & become an alcoholic? There's a campaign slogan.

    2. Re:I have been loving not watching as much TV... by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 4, Funny

      ...and drinking

      Yeah, give up T.V. and take up drinking :-)

    3. Re:I have been loving not watching as much TV... by ave19 · · Score: 2, Funny

      "REAL PEOPLE"... I remember that show! It was hilarious!

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    4. Re:I have been loving not watching as much TV... by jesser · · Score: 2

      I have $50/month more to spend on other things that I enjoy to do (i.e. food, drinking, girlfriend, etc).

      It makes sense that you enjoy doing your girlfriend, but you shouldn't refer to her as a "thing".

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    5. Re:I have been loving not watching as much TV... by infinite9 · · Score: 5, Funny

      4. I have $50/month more to spend on other things that I enjoy to do (i.e. food, drinking, girlfriend, etc).

      Your girlfriend charges you a monthly fee? Where I come from, there's a word for that...

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    6. Re:I have been loving not watching as much TV... by barzok · · Score: 5, Funny

      We do where I come from too. The word is "wife."

  5. Does it count... by greenskyx · · Score: 5, Funny

    if I just Tivo everything this week and watch it all next week?

    1. Re:Does it count... by tverbeek · · Score: 5, Insightful
      if I just Tivo everything this week and watch it all next week?

      At the risk of being serious... why not? Part of the point is to spend a week doing things other than watching TV, as a learning experience. Coming back the next week and watching twice as much to make up for it might undo some of the good that accomplishes, but you'd still have that week's experience to draw upon.

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  6. Question by Linux-based-robots · · Score: 5, Funny

    Does this include watching episodes of the Simpsons I downloaded off BitTorrent?

    1. Re:Question by jmpoast · · Score: 2, Informative

      According to the site:

      TV-Turnoff Network is a national nonprofit organization that encourages children and adults to watch much less television in order to promote healthier lives and communities.

      No where on there do I see where it says anything about sticking it to the man. Its not about damning corporations, its about improving health and communication.

      Allthough for most people turning off the tv just means more time on the computer, so it may not have the exact effect they want on everyone.

  7. Thats all good by MrRuslan · · Score: 2, Funny

    But I think what most slashdoters (Including myself) need is a turn off cumputer week...

  8. Someone has to say it... by dmorin · · Score: 4, Funny
    Among the many benefits claimed by tvturnoff.org is that 90% of the people who participate in a TV Turnoff Week successfully reduce the amount of television they watch permanently."

    And 100% successfully reduce the amount of tv they watch that week.

    :)

    1. Re:Someone has to say it... by Civil_Disobedient · · Score: 2, Funny

      90% of the people who participate in a TV Turnoff Week successfully reduce the amount of television they watch permanently.
      ...
      And 100% successfully reduce the amount of tv they watch that week.

      Actually, 100% of the people who participate in a TV Turnoff Week will reduce the amount of television they watch permanently. This is just simple subtraction, here. Take whatever would be the amount of total television hours one would watch under normal viewing habits, then shut off your TV for any time during that period, and you lower the total amount.

      Thinking about it now, that's a really stupid statistic. "100% of people who refrain from eating hamburgers will lower their overall hamburger intake." Well, duh.

  9. Time-shift it! by WestieDog · · Score: 5, Funny

    Do I have to stop tivoing too? It' would be more like "national watch it next week" ... week.

  10. Re:Slashdotting....or slashdot.not? by vrTeach · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'd probably get more done if I had a turn-off slashdot week.

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  11. I did it already. by blackmonday · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I did and started saving $80 dollars a month in cable bills too. Didn't miss it a bit, thanks to Netflix.

    Then about 8 months ago I moved in with my girl and now we have a Tivo-like cable box, now I still watch very little TV but I watch what I want, when I want. Very liberating and very cool. By the way, HBO and Cinemax On-Demand kick ass, if you know what I mean.

    1. Re:I did it already. by EricWright · · Score: 2, Insightful
      By the way, HBO and Cinemax On-Demand kick ass, if you know what I mean.
      You mean the on-demand softcore porn on cinemax on-demand, right?
  12. Obviously not hockey fans! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The organizers are obviously not hockey fans!

  13. TV vs Reading by jetkust · · Score: 2, Funny

    The More Reading, Less TV (MRLTV) classroom program motivates school children to put down their remote controls and pick up books.

    In other words, stop watching Discovery Channel, read a Hustler instead.

  14. Correlation vs. causality by squarooticus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This sounds like another correlation vs. causality fallacy: is it not at least as likely that those who are willing to turn off their TV sets for a week are likely to be those who have already gotten sick of TV? Why the addiction implication?

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    1. Re:Correlation vs. causality by Kenneth+Stephen · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I applaud your sentiments about posting as AC. Really, the folks who make such statements havent thought things through. If I claim on /. that I'm Bruce Perens, instead of "Anonymous Coward", does that really mean I'm Bruce Perens? As far as the readers of this website goes, if you arent somebody who has access to the subscriber db, everyone is anonymous.

      Not to mention the fact that ignoring all Anonymous Cowards is tantamount to throwing out the baby with the bathwater.....

      Posted non-anonymously, so that this thread is visible and that OP realizes his folly.

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  15. Personally I'm already turned off... by Maestro4k · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Seriously, both literally and emotionally, there's so much utter crap on TV, and it seems to continue to only get worse. Hell, even Sci-Fi's gotten into the craptastic reality TV stuff now with their Mad, Mad, House. I happenned to see the first part of one episode (I was at the ER and the TV was set to Sci-Fi). I think they actually managed to set a record for most stupid, disgusting, pathetic reality-tv program.

    In any case I tend to play video games more than I watch TV on my TV. I also watch a lot of anime DVDs. When I do watch TV I generally watch channels like Discovery, TLC, HGTV, History Channel, Animal Planet & Discovery Health. There's just not enough stuff worth watching on TV to justify being a couch potato, at least IMHO.

  16. Better yet... by Dynastar454 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Just get rid of the TV. I've been TV-less for a few years now, and I really don't miss it. I get all my news on-line, I can watch DVDs on my fairly-large computer screen, and all the quality TV series come out on DVD these days, so for those (very few) shows I can pick them up too. Who needs a TV?

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    1. Re:Better yet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      No TV???

      Then how do you know what direction to point your furniture?

  17. Even if everybody here did give up TV... by CausticPuppy · · Score: 5, Funny

    It just means that the load on slashdot will be higher than average for that week.

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    1. Re:Even if everybody here did give up TV... by JaffaKREE · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I've always been a little confused by the anti-TV sentiment here. Everyone says "there's nothing to watch, all tv is garbage." What about...
      Stargate SG-1
      The Simpsons (sharks or not)
      Malcolm
      Chapelle
      South Park
      24 (Thanks for that 7-week break, fox. Way to ruin the momentum.)
      Enterprise
      Scrubs (funniest show on tv, maybe ever)
      Justice League (never saw it ? try it.)
      Smallville
      Crank Yankers
      Aqua teen hunger force

      That's just the new stuff. Tivo has been picking up plenty of oldschool Sci-fi lately, especially Quantum Leap, Sliders, and Hulk (Bill Bixby). SG1 reruns are on constantly for those who haven't caught on to it yet. There's new Family Guys coming, reruns of that and Futurama on CN. Seinfeld, Simpsons are on constantly. Clone wars just ended, and was pretty interesting.
      So... what's the problem ? Get a tivo if you need to. I don't even have HBO, and half the shows mentioned in this thread as "top quality tv" are on HBO. You've got options.

  18. I don't need to participate... by prescot6 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can turn off the TV whenenver I want.

    Maybe later...

  19. Family by strike2867 · · Score: 3, Funny

    But what will we do when an annoying family member tries to talk to us?

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  20. Seriously by caomania · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Give it a try - you may never turn back. I stopped watching 2 years ago when my free cable got shut-off. Haven't watched more than 12 hours since. With the TV off you'll find lots of additional free time to indulge in more worthwhile pursuits. TV was the opium of the 80s it's time to kick the habit.

  21. Homer says... by towerdave · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wooohooo!!!!!

    More TV for me!!!

    TowerDave

  22. TV free since 87 by eludom · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Been without a TV since 87. If it's worth watching,
    it's worth getting up and going somehere else.
    One less excuse for not communicating.
    Less marketing drivel in the home.
    Mind not put on standby.
    Kids actually have to use their minds (or find
    other ways to avoid it) when they play.
    You really don't miss important news...
    "I learn everything I need to know about the
    world in slashdot..." :-)

  23. NHL Playoffs by WolF-g · · Score: 2, Informative

    They picked a lousy week to try to go without TV. It's the playoffs.

    I don't watch TV other than that anyway....

  24. Stupid by USAPatriot · · Score: 5, Funny
    This whole campaign rests on the assumption that there is something bad or wrong with watching a lot of TV. I say that watching as much TV as you want is perfectly fine.

    It's not just entertainment that you'll be missing out on if you participate in thie 'Blackout'. Lots of news, current events, sports, and informational programs will be lost due to this turnoff. Do these organizers realize that? Yes, you can read newspapers to get by, but having moving pictures in your home is one of the greatest inventions of all time. Why would you want to abstain from it for some enlightend purpose?

    These people just need to get a life. It's just like that don't-buy-anything blackout. Some people don't like the choices others make, and try to bust your chops to be like them.

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    1. Re:Stupid by miket · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I find it interesting that both you and the origonal poster express a degree of disdain towards the content of this site however you both have accounts on this site.

      If you don't like it, turn it off.

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    2. Re:Stupid by tverbeek · · Score: 3, Funny
      Lots of news, current events, sports, and informational programs will be lost due to this turnoff. Do these organizers realize that? Yes, you can read newspapers to get by,

      Someone please mod this funny.

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    3. Re:Stupid by WuphonsReach · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This whole campaign rests on the assumption that there is something bad or wrong with watching a lot of TV. I say that watching as much TV as you want is perfectly fine.

      You're missing the point.

      The point of National TV Turn Off week is to break the behavoir pattern where all you do when you come home is flop on the couch and turn on the TV for the entire evening and watch whatever happens to be on. Pure escapism, especially if you're not addressing other pressing needs. Some escapism is okay, probably even healthy, but too much avoiding of issues just leaves problems to fester and make things worse down the road.

      Then there are the people who schedule their lives around shows, making themselves slaves of the TV schedule. Remember the slogans "must-see TV" and the like?

      Same old story as a bunch of other vices. Moderation is okay, addiction isn't. But a lot of people live in denial about their addictions and trying to go cold-turkey for a weeks is a good way to determine whether you're in control or your addiction is in control.

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  25. Re:Yeah, but... by Skater · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I love how everyone automatically assumes everything on TV is garbage. Like any other art form, there's good stuff and bad. Example: I read Tom Clancy and John Grisham novels, but I know they aren't going to go down in history as timeless classics in the way that, say, Shakespeare's plays did. But, oh no, I'm reading and therefore it must be better than watching TV.

    It's not black-and-white, so to speak. :)

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  26. Here's an idea like the nicotine patch... by GPLDAN · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I got a 36" Sony XBR and a Tivo and got sucked in. Sopranos, HBO boxing on Saturday nights, started watching the NHL playoffs (last year). I knew it was bad. I knew I was going down the "joe six-pack" road. Started laying off the bike and gym to play a little Xbox and watch a game. It was keeping me from my SANS studies. I knew I needed a plan.

    I saw this article on CNN last year, and went out and got that stuff. Sold the Sony, sold the integrated tuner/Tivo. Hooked it up to a low cost DirecTV tuner only and dish.

    I started watching TV in a window on my computer. Slowly, I started backgrounding the window, and would IRC, and then code a little, and then slowly, started using it less and less. The software still gave me the Tivo function, so I could take a break and still FF through commercials.

    I highly recommend this approach. Get the fucking big box out of the house. Re-arrange your furniture. Spend the money on a good monitor, 21" or larger, non-plasma. Get the tuner card. Wean yourself off. If you have a family or SO that enjoys "movie night" - do them and yourself a favor. Go to the cinema. Get the hell out of the house.

  27. Insensitive! by Mateito · · Score: 2, Funny

    But I don't even have a TV to turn off you insensitive clods!

  28. Series 2 of the NHL Playoffs? by chrisfromnowhere · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They want me to miss series 2 of the NHL playoffs? I don't think so... Especially not when my beloved Calgary Flames are doing so well :).

  29. TV use is inversely proportional to Internet use by Vandil+X · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Among the people I know and work with, it seems that those who spend lots of time on the Internet (or working/gaming on their computers) spend much less time watching TV than they did 10 years ago (pre-mainstream Internet).

    Among the people who still see computing/the_Internet as an appliance, are the ones still watching TV, an age group whose average age is increasing as more and more youths leave television to embrace the Internet and Internet-connected devices.

    Personally, the only time I watch TV now is the few minutes it takes in the morning to catch the weather on the news.

    Coffee, weather, Slashdot.

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  30. Why so desparate to have TV? by paranode · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So many slashdotters act like everyone should be on some crusade to stop TV. Just because they aren't entertained by TV means nobody else should be.

    Forget the 20-100+ hours you spend a week in front of computers (especially if you work with them). The entertainment industry is one of the biggest industries in the US (if not the biggest). People get bored, and people want something to do. So what if their little TV shows give them something to look forward to in the evening or on a Saturday afternoon? Is that any worse than the obsession of reading internet news sites?

    Quit acting like you need to help people cope with their addiction to television. Ironically people who use this argument are often recreational illegal drug smokers. It's all about entertainment folks, don't judge people for the kind they like best.

    1. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by wizarddc · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because it's not productive or constructive. We (as in /. geeks) aren't saying all television is bad, or even certain shows. We're saying there is so much else to do with your life than sit on the couch. I don't own a tv, simply because I'm never home, between work and school. But I do watch tv. My friends and I will watch South Park and Chapelle's Show, and do it as a social activity. Then those shows are over, we'll generally then go do other things, like play music or sports or anything else really. TV as an activity is OK. TV as a lifestyle is horrible.

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    2. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by pileated · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think the question is the quality of the entertainment. Spend your life in front of a tv and you'll never know that richer more rewarding types of entertainment, like reading for one, are available.

      I think the idea is to just try it for a week. If you don't like in then go back to tv. But if you're afraid to even try, then tv sounds a wee bit like an addiction:-)

      But who cares really, it's your life. As far as I'm concerned people who encourage you to watch less tv are like people who encouraged you not to smoke 25 years ago. Anyone can take or leave the advice but many people who took it were glad that they did.

    3. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by Dictator+For+Life · · Score: 3, Insightful
      People get bored, and people want something to do.

      Incredible. So what exactly did people do before they had television? Did they just not get bored? Or did they have other things to do? Or did they find other ways to entertain themselves?

      Don't you think that addiction to entertainment is harmful? It seems not. Unfortunately, it appears that most of the country agrees with you.

      As for me and my family? We don't own a TV. We gave it up over a decade ago. Frankly, we don't know how TV slaves get anything done, because we still don't have enough time to do the things we want to do.

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    4. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by tmhsiao · · Score: 2, Funny

      I think the question is the quality of the entertainment. Spend your life in front of a tv and you'll never know that richer more rewarding types of entertainment, like reading for one, are available.

      I watched Mythbusters last night. I got far more reward from that one hour than from a day or so of reading a Nicholas Sparks novel. Sturgeon's Law applies to books, too...

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    5. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Incredible. So what exactly did people do before they had slashdot? Did they just not get bored? Or did they have other things to do? Or did they find other ways to spout their opinion unconstructively?

      Don't you think that addiction to slashdot is harmful? It seems not. Unfortunately, it appears that most of the readers on this site agree with you.

      As for me and my family? We don't ever post on slashdot. We gave it up over a decade ago, when I got my for digit UID. Frankly, we don't know how slashdot posters get anything done, because we still don't have enough time to do the things we want to do, even though if you look at my recent posts I did spend all of last friday posting on the Auto -Censoring DVD Playerthread.

    6. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because it's not productive or constructive.

      So what. Hanging out on Slashdot is just about as productive and constructive as watching TV. Shall there be a crusade to stop reading/posting to Slashdot? Why do you even feel it necessary to tell people what to do? Who put you and your anti-TV crusading ilk in charge?
    7. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by black+mariah · · Score: 2, Funny

      And I'm pretty sure that most people would consider sitting on your ass during all your free time to add skinning capabilities to a calendar that maybe three people use a total waste of time.

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    8. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by dustmote · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe not for you. Whenever I read slashdot, I almost always learn something new or find something interesting from the links in the comments that people make. I find this to be a valuable use of my time. Now, I'm not saying that I don't learn things from TV occsionally, too, but it doesn't happen as often. Even when there are links that flash up on the screen on TV, I have to go into the other room to research them more fully. With the ol' electric Babbage Engine, I'm much more inclined to stop the flow of what I'm doing and investigate a tangent that I feel uninformed about. But this is only my experience. I cannot speak for other people's quality of experience.

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    9. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by mopslik · · Score: 2, Funny

      So what exactly did people do before they had television?

      Beats me. Maybe they all sat on the couch, staring at an empty wall, thinking "Gee, I sure wish we had something to watch. And something to watch it on."

    10. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by pileated · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Most any other type of entertainment is better, maybe even intrinsically better as you suggest, because you can't get much more passive than tv. In other words you can't really be engaged with it and call upon your own faculties to interact with it. Basically you're a passive consumer.

      I know, sometimes you want to be a passive consumer. I think that's the great addictive quality of tv. You feel like being a passive consumer once and pretty soon you don't know how to be anything other than a passive consumer. Reading a story for instance forces you to mentally visualize what the author says. Obviously everyone does this somewhat differently but I think that for most people it does require them to recollect their own experiences in order to make the words seem like pictures or at least something than just mere words. At the same time the slowness of this process gets your mind and imagination working. Perhaps it drifts off to something other than what you're reading. Perhaps it drifts off based on what you're reading. Some people would say that's the whole problem. You don't get far reading. It's work, you lose your attention and you drift off, when you really just want to be entertained. But for others it's the actual drifting off, coming to new thoughts, exercising your imagination that makes it valuable.

      Obviously I could go on forever here, and many people have in books and articles. So I'll just leave it at this. I think the main point is that reading is a less passive activity and in most cases, that turns out to be more rewarding, mainly because it forces me to become involved. TV doesn't force much of anything other than watching mind-numbing commercials.

      I hesitate to get going on another topic but will anyway. The last time I served on a jury I felt that a good number of fellow jurors thought they were reenacting something they'd seen on tv, like they were on their own tv show, rather than being individuals coming to an important decision about the defendants' and the plaintiffs' lives. It was scary.

    11. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by swillden · · Score: 4, Informative

      The entertainment industry is one of the biggest industries in the US (if not the biggest)

      Are you sure about that? Compare it to the computer industry. The top US entertainment companies for 2003 made:

      • Vivendi Universal: $61B
      • Time Warner: $40B
      • Walt Disney: $27B
      • Viacom: $27B
      • Comcast: $18B
      • News Corp: $17B

      Total $163B. In comparison, look at the top computer companies:

      • IBM: $89B
      • HP: $73B
      • Dell: $41B
      • Microsoft: $32B
      • EDS: $22B
      • Sun: $11B

      Total $268B, in an industry that has many more small players, so the total industry revenues would be even further apart.

      And even that's nothing compared to a really big industry, like the automotive industry. Ford and GM *each* made more money than the entire entertainment industry. And the oil industry makes the auto industry look small.

      The entertainment industry is big, but it's not nearly as big as people think it is. It has influence that is all out of proportion with its real scale.

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    12. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by Cecil · · Score: 2, Informative

      The story told on my favorite sitcom this week could have been a short story.

      I think he meant reading something insightful, to cause you to do scary things like think about all kinds of stuff from politics up to and including the meaning of life. Most good books fall into this category. He certainly didn't mean reading a trashy supermarket romance novel.

      There really is no available comparison. The most thought-provoking thing I've ever seen on the aptly-named boob tube was "The Matrix". How sad is that?

      Mindless entertainment is great, don't get me wrong. I play video games all the time. You're welcome to watch TV instead if you like. Intellectually they're about the same. But you need to balance it out with something more challenging. It's nice to give the mind a rest now and then. But just like resting a bit is nice, despite the benefits of exercise, it's also good to give your mind some exercise. Read a good, intelligent book (sci-fi, fiction, non-fiction, doesn't matter), or really anything except TV. Build something, draw something, do something. All these things are much more rewarding than sitting and passively watching TV.

      I realize I sound like this guy but honestly, when I started to cut down my TV-watching, it not only gave me time to start cycling a lot more and getting my body in shape, reading because I enjoy it, and it gave me much more time for my hobbies like photography and programming as well.

      TVs give outlets for advertisements, thus furthering our economy.

      I am not an economist, but our economy is furthered by the creation of wealth -- technological advancements, increased industrial production, etc. Advertising creates no wealth, it does not advance society or the economy. It is a tool for encouraging voluntary redistribution of existing wealth, a byproduct of capitalism, not a contribution to the economy.

    13. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by shayne321 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Oh but it does. People spending all week day evenings nailed to the couch do not excercise, doubtfully eat very healthy. With national healthcare paid out of our taxes it becomes my problem. Just as your heroin consumption.

      Eh, but it's not T.V.'s fault people are "nailed to the couch". Lazy people are lazy people, myself included. If you took away my TV instead of laying on the couch watching the tube I'd be laying on the couch reading a book. Or using my laptop to surf slashdot. Or sleeping. Just because there's suddenly not a TV in the room doesn't mean I'm going to go out and take up jogging.

      Same with heroin. People who tend towards heroin addition generally have addictive personalities and are either trying to escape something (their present, their past), or simply love being "fucked up". But guess what? You take away their heroin and they'll move to oxycontin. Or Robitussen. Or alcohol. You get the idea. You can't change people by removing their access to a vice. This is why bans on gambling/smoking/drugs/drinking NEVER work.

      --
      Today I didn't even have to use my AK; I got to say it was a good day -- Icecube
    14. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by CowBovNeal · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Listen dude. Get your facts clear. I don't care if the parent made a point or no. I like my TV.

      You think IBM, Microsoft are going to sit and broadcast my Spurs basketball games, Formula1 racing, the WRC rally in New Zealand, Jeff Corwin on Animal Planet??

      You are just taking the big companies into account. There are *thousands* of smaller companies like local news stations, small production companies that contribute or make TV programs. Did you take them into account? No.

      As for the tech companies- you need them for pretty much every industry. From restaurants to phone companies to cruise ship building.

      Comparing them is like comparing apples to oranges.

      When was the last time you went to ibm.com, ate dinner and spent half an hour laughing?

      "Ford and GM *each* made more money than the entire entertainment industry"

      Where did you get these figures from? Ford made a loss last year(financial year) and GM is making decent profits only because of Ditech(General Motors Mortgage).

      And yes, I'm talking about net figures because gross income is bullshit. You can earn 50 billion but if your expenditures and liabilities exceed that, it doesn't mean a damn.

      People use the net a lot more but they still want their TV.

      --
      Bush is on fire and its not good for my lungs.
  31. Don't Cold Turkey; TimeShift by 4of12 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    TiVo is your friend here, just like Nicorettes!

    Instead of completely shutting off the tube for a week - just don't view anything for a week!

    Leave the TiVo to grab those shows you actively choose to watch at a later time of your own choosing rather than the broadcasters'.

    Watching less TV will decrease the stress in your life and that anxious feeling that there is never enough time.

    Spend time talking to friends and relatives, reading classic books and in-depth analysis of current events, gardening, cooking from raw ingredients, or quiet time walking through natural settings.

    You'll feel a lot less like an electrified monkey in a Skinner's box and much more like a human being.

    --
    "Provided by the management for your protection."
  32. Calvin & Hobbes by SolemnDragon · · Score: 3, Funny

    By Bill Watterson:

    Calvin: : It says here, "Religion is the opiate of the masses."...What do you suppose that means?
    TV: ...It means Karl Marx hadn't seen anything yet...

  33. Residence by gregmac · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I found after 1st year university, I watched way less television. I didn't have one in my room (the people who did could only get maybe 1 channel with rabbit ears - no cable). The only way to watch was to go to the TV room on the floor, and we really didn't do that much.

    After I moved back home, I just didn't watch that much TV anymore, because I was used to not watching.

    Of course, my watching of movies went up dramatically, but what can you do.

    --
    Speak before you think
  34. Oldmanmurray said it best by superultra · · Score: 4, Funny

    From Erik of oldmanmurray (may it RIP):
    "People who don't watch TV love to mention it and never fail to pair that statement with the fact that they read books too. But as long as they're patting themselves on the back for simply not doing something, it seems to me that there are lots of worse things you could be taking credit for not doing. For instance, next time someone decides to lord over you the fact that he doesn't watch TV, go ahead and tell him "Good for you!" Then while everyone around you is reflecting on his massive intellect, up the awful-things-you-don't-do ante by mentioning that you don't rape people and then add that you watch lots of television instead. Not only does that make you a better person - after all what kind of psychotic jerkoff wastes his time not watching TV when he could be busy not commiting violent sex crimes? - but it gives you sort of an air of barely suppressed operatic rage, which makes you more like Batman."

    linkified.

    1. Re:Oldmanmurray said it best by bartash · · Score: 2, Funny

      Why do people need to brag about not watching TV?

      --
      Read Epic the first RPG novel.
  35. TIVO by hoggoth · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've found that since I got my TIVO my TV watching has declined enormously. I used to plan my schedule so that I'd be home in front of the TV for the three or so shows I liked to watch. Invariably I'd end up watching something before and after "my" shows, and start following those shows as well, even if they weren't that good.
    Now with TIVO, TV is not a part of my schedule anymore. I only watch TV for exactly three hours a week, and each of those hours take up 40 minutes real-time (no commercials).

    --
    - For the complete works of Shakespeare: cat /dev/random (may take some time)
  36. Much needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    This is great. Just think of how much more Everquest I'll be able to play with no TV.

  37. Re:Food For Thought by crow · · Score: 2, Funny

    But I still believe that it's gay mariage that is endangering families the most.

    Absolutely.

    With the law of Conservation of Marriage, there are only a fixed number of marriage licenses available. That's why divorce rates have soared as the population has increased--there just aren't enough stable marriages to go around. Now with homosexual marriages starting in a month in Massachusetts, there will be roving bands of homosexuals roaming the streets forcing people to divorce at gunpoint.

    Please Governor Romney, defend my marriage!

  38. How about NO TV? Works for me in a weird way by Selecter · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I have been TV free for about 5 years. The first thing I noticed when I quit was how much other people base their lives and personalitys around what they see on TV. It's really amazing. I cant get thru one day at work without someone parroting some viewpoint not of their own making becuase some show said something about a topic.

    The side effect is that I dont live in quite the same world as everyone else, and I am totally not influenced by televised events, so I often do not have the same reaction to things as my co-workers. I never saw the images from 9/11 until weeks afterward. Life was the same for me, before and after, but everyone else around me adopted new postures on life. It was wild. Nothing in their life had changed either, but they went mental. The iraq war did more to change actual life instead of virtual life, becuase some of them have kids over there. Thats reality.

    This reality TV, this Trump thing going on - it has precious little impact on me. I know it's going on but I dont watch it, I dont see the ads, the companies paying for that ad time dont get me.

    I hate TV becuase I consider it to be a tool of government and corporate control and I dont want to be affected. So I dont have a TV in my house and I dont watch. I live a different life becuase of that and my choice I've made.

    1. Re:How about NO TV? Works for me in a weird way by SteelX · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm in the same scenario but for different reasons. I can't afford a TV. Sure, I can fork out money to buy one with my credit card, but I choose not to. I don't earn much at all, and every dollar I spend, I try to spend it on something worthwhile. The TV is the absolute last thing on my shopping list.

    2. Re:How about NO TV? Works for me in a weird way by WTFRUDOINBiotch · · Score: 2, Funny


      So I dont have a TV in my house

      So what do you point all of your furniture at?

      --
      Make money with Real Estate Investing
    3. Re:How about NO TV? Works for me in a weird way by jcorgan · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I can echo a lot of the same. I turned off the TV when my son was born in 1991. One of the last things I watched was the opening salvo of the first Iraq war, on CNN.

      It's true what you say about not living in quite the same world as others around you. There are many cultural references which have their basis in TV shows and commercials, and people act strangely when I mention I have no idea what they are talking about. And I occasionally miss out on such gems as the (Honda?) commercial with the Rube Goldberg setup with all the auto parts :)

      For news I've relied on the 'net--and the fact that I can get viewpoints from journalists outside the US very easily. What is fascinating is not so much the different spin put on world events from different parts of the world (everybody has spin), but rather what gets reported and what doesn't, or how long international events stay in the collective attention span of a region. From the attention given in America, you'd think the recent bombing in Spain or the Bali bombing never happened. When 9/11 happened they put CNN on 24x7 on a wall-sized display in our office cafeteria for a week. (Okay, different magnitude of events but the horror is the same.)

      I travel a lot internationally for business, and I do occasionally turn on the TV set in the hotel room. Commercials the world over are hilarious, and frightening. Television advertising is a multi-billion industry subject to the same market efficiencies as everything else--only the most effective advertising techniques tend to survive in the long run. So what you see in TV commercials is the way it is because it works--a scary commentary on our collective psyche.

      I've even turned off the radio, for the most part. Between the blandness of the FM dial and the hysterical pomp of AM talk radio, there just isn't anything worth listening to anymore. Try turning on a shortwave radio and tuning in to English language broadcasts to witness the vast variety "world band" radio has to offer. Yeah, there are still nutcases, but you also hear about a lot of things we never hear about in our cozy suburban comfort zone.

      --
      Babies are cute because they have to be.
  39. Why? by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 4, Funny
    Dear Rabid TV Advocates:

    On second thought, keep on watching. Watch to your heart's content. The bike paths are already crowded enough, and I shudder to imagine what some of your kind would talk about around the water cooler if it weren't for "Survivor".

    What nobody seems to realize is that the world needs mindless drones--lots and lots of mindless drones. I don't want a deluge of sensible, enlightened, productive non-TV watchers. For one, it'll wreak havoc with my sense of superiority. What's more, it'll mean that I'll face stiffer competition both in the workplace and in my pastimes as more and more people wake up and become thoughtful, productive individuals. What, you think I want more competition for that promotion?

    If you stop watching TV, you won't be able to roll your eyes at me and my freakish, elitist, hippie lifestyle. Similarly, I'll be unable to fire off snide insults about your sedentary, mindless lifestyle. Why ruin the fun for both of us?

    I encourage you to watch as much TV as you want, and to share that time in front of the tube with your children, as well. You'll be happier, I'll be happier, and everything will work out wonderfully.

    Hugs 'n' kisses, AAiP

    (hint: tongu_ in ch__k. Buy a vowel...)

    --

    Obliteracy: Words with explosions

  40. The Kwisach Haderach by AtariAmarok · · Score: 4, Funny

    (like the entire Dune series, including prequels) - Now, I'm sucked back in watching reality TV ... bah .

    Tonight on the Arrakis Broadcasting Company (ABC): "The Kwisach Haderach". 220,000 originally applied, but tonight only one will by chosen by Trump-Gesserit as the Kwisach Haderach. Tune in and spice up your life!

    Over on Tech TV, yet another panel discussion about how Tech TV will survive once the Butlerian Jihad reaches its completion. Quote from Leo LaPorte: "A Vic-20 does not count as a thinking machine, does it?"

    Over on the other network, there is Fear Factor. Yet another worm-swallowing episode. I doubt the typical outcome with the worm swallowing all the contestants in one gulp will ever be altered.

    Also, on CBS (Caladan Broadcasting System), there is "Survivor". Find out who survives when the royal family is dumped on a harsh desert planet.

    On CNN, an interview concerning the ongoing search for Shaddam IV's weapons of mass destruction.

    --
    Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
  41. Trade one vice for another... by paranode · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Instead of watching a little TV, you're now spending more time and money on the Internet, drinking, and women.

    Sounds like you've got the solution everyone's been looking for. "Be exactly like me or you're stupid!"

    By the way, HDTV is not mandated by the government. You're confused with Digital TV (DTV). The Advanced Television Systems Committee (ATSC) standard will now be used instead of the National Television System Committee (NTSC). This really has little (if anything) to do with pricing. If you want it high-definition, then you can fork out the money.

  42. News from the future by utarif · · Score: 2, Funny

    In the third week of januaray 2004, it's reported that there is an unusual increase in % child birth...

  43. 2004 is the year of... by heironymouscoward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... turning off your TV?

    I cancelled my TV subscription when I moved house about 4 years ago, and have resisted getting a TV in ouir new home. My wife took about 3 months to adapt, but survived. I rediscovered my evenings.

    TV is very close to a drug. I guess it provides many people with a virtual social exposure with no interaction: sitting still, getting bombarded with faces and voices is kind of bizarre when you think of it. Since program makers can't increase the amount consumed (limited hours in a day), they increase the dose by making TV ever more intense.

    Turning of my TV was hard, very much like stopping drinking coffee or alcohol, but worthwhile for me.

    --
    Ceci n'est pas une signature
  44. Re:like "I do not masterbate" testimonials by Anita+Coney · · Score: 2, Interesting

    While I don't claim to be "holier-than-thou" I'm a former TV addict who stopped watching TV when I had kids. I just didn't have time anymore. (As evidence to how bad my addiction was, I even watched Relic Hunter!!!!)

    Let's scratch a little deeper to see how much TV I actually watch now: Monday: Nothing. Tuesday: Nothing. Wednesday: Nothing. Thursday: Nothing. Friday: Nothing. Saturday: Nothing. Sunday: Nothing.

    How much deeper do you want me to go?!

    --
    If someone says he and his monkey have nothing to hide, they almost certainly do.
  45. What about the children? by exark237 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't think that the idea behind this is to stop adults from watching TV for a week. Adults should already be aware that there is more to life than TV and if they arent, that's just sad. I honestly think it's too late for the current generation of adults. Sure, it may help to change a few people's minds, but I dont think it will have a tremendous effect.

    I beleive the main idea of TV Turn Off Week is to get the next generation, the kids in elemntary and middle school to pry their eyes away from the television and read or play outside or do something that requires thought. I'm a Freshman in High School and am absolutely astonished as to how many kids in my class watch more than 5 hours of TV a day. That's why I'm teaching elemantary students in my school district about Media Literacy and encouraging them to participate in TV Turn Off Week.

    Perhaps if we get children thinking now, we won't have as many apathetic, ignorant burn outs by the time they reach my age.

    --
    God is a comedian playing to an audience to afraid to laugh - Voltaire
  46. Re:like "I do not masterbate" testimonials by vorpal22 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My TV watching consists of downloading last week's Simpsons and Malcolm in the Middle episode using BitTorrent. Apart from that, I have a television, which hasn't been on in weeks because I don't have cable (by choice, not circumstance - my roommates have cable and even spliced it for me, but I'm just not interested in hooking up). I have a VCR and DVD player for when I feel inclined to go out and rent something, but I don't do your general plop-down-and-watch-TV.

    Personally, I can't stand it. There are far too many reruns, and the commercials are so insulting to the intelligence that watching them is a painful experience. After a couple of years where I wasted a few hours every day watching TV, I realized what a tremendously dissatisfying experience it really was and decided to cut about 95% of my television viewing out. I can tell you that my stress levels dropped (because I'd just sit quietly and focus on doing one thing instead of trying to accomplish in front of the TV) and my happiness and productivity skyrocketed.

    I like the BitTorrent compromise - I get to select the shows I want to watch when I want to watch them (instead of it being up to the discretion of the media), I don't have to suffer commercials, and I pay nothing.

  47. What about watching when you feel like it... by globalar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If /. was somehow TV-based (I'm stretching, just follow), I would be on a lot more. Better for your mind you say? We can debate that, on /. of course.

    Some people like Friends. I sometimes take a moment to wonder why. Of course, I'm sure they've been wondering what the hell I'm doing reading this website about "news for nerds" all the time. To each his own.

    What's important is that you make the choice, not the companies that run television and that you make the right choice (i.e. don't give up more important things for TV like kids).

    1. Re:What about watching when you feel like it... by Colazar · · Score: 2, Funny
      Some people like Friends. I sometimes take a moment to wonder why.

      Years ago, my mother was visiting my wife and me. We don't generally watch much TV, but it was Babylon 5 night, so she watched it with us, companionably. She claimed to enjoy it.

      Then later that week, Friends was on (I think in its first season, since I had never heard of it before), and she made us watch it, saying

      "You should watch this show! These people are like you."

      I still have no idea what she meant by that. But I guess those are the people who watch Friends...people who are *just like them*. (Or who think their kids are just like them.)

      Of course, this is the same woman who said to me, "I watched that Brazil movie you were talking about, and I was wondering...are you depressed?"

      --
      He decided to just watch the government, and kind of scale it down to size, and run his life that way. --Laurie Anderson
  48. Here's what you'll miss during that week.. by mabu · · Score: 4, Funny

    For those that participate and manage to deprive themselves of their precious idiot box programming, let me bring you up to speed on what you'll be missing:

    * Soaps: Wife secretly sleeps with husband's brother who's being blackmailed by their chauffer who is actually a ... DID YOU KNOW NORTHERN BATH TISSUE IS THE SOFTEST?

    * Talk Shows: All this week: Crack Whore Makeovers on Jenny Jones, plus a special appearance by... AMAZING NEW WEIGHT LOSS PILL!

    * Survivor: This week contestants swim through shark-infested waters with dead fish in their mouths; winner receives one sock and... TRY NEW CREST CHEESECAKE-FLAVORED TOOTHPASTE!

    * Saturday Night Live: Woman with nice boobs hosts; cast members create skits so they can cop a feel; musical guest... THE NEW NISSAN XTERRA HAS A V8 AND FIVE (YES FIVE) CUPHOLDERS!

    * News: War going bad; war going good; one guy says other guy will tax everyone into poor house; some dude in Peoria is suing Wal-Mart for $5B for... ISN'T IT TIME YOU TRIED VIAGRA?

    * American Chopper: Paul Sr. continues to abuse Paul Jr.; Mikey explodes after all-night twinkie binge; OCC scapes the bottom of the barrel looking for politically-correct bike themes with their new chopper commemmorating the lawyers who set up the 911 Red Cross fund. Special appearance by... HALLIBURTON.. SUPPORTING OUR TROOPS.

    * Monster House: Team of dysfunctional contractors install a 12' bong and jacuzzi filled with Patchoulli in new "Hippie House"; owners are stunned when they peek in and discover... CHEVY, AMERICA'S TRUCK

    * Talk Shows: Jay Leno's special guest: Billy Bob Thorton; tonite on Conan: Billy Bob Thorton; tonite on Late Night: Billy Bob Thorton. Check out Billy Bob's new movie about... HIENEKEN BEER - IT'S ALL ABOUT THE BEER

  49. Oh no... by arvindn · · Score: 4, Funny

    CHAPEL HILL, NC--Area resident Jonathan Green does not own a television, a fact he repeatedly points out to friends, family, and coworkers--as well as to his mailman, neighborhood convenience-store clerks, and the man who cleans the hallways in his apartment building.

    "I, personally, would rather spend my time doing something useful than watch television," Green told a random woman Monday at the Suds 'N' Duds Laundromat, noticing the establishment's wall-mounted TV. "I don't even own one."

    According to Melinda Elkins, a coworker of Green's at The Frame Job, a Chapel Hill picture-frame shop, Green steers the conversation toward television whenever possible, just so he can mention not owning one.

    "A few days ago, [store manager] Annette [Haig] was saying her new contacts were bothering her," Elkins said. "The second she said that, I knew Jonathan would pounce. He was like, 'I didn't know you had contacts, Annette. Are your eyes bad? That a shame. I'm really lucky to have almost perfect vision. I'm guessing it's because I don't watch TV. In fact, I don't even own one."

    According to Elkins, "idiot box" is Green's favorite derogatory term for television.

    "He uses that one a lot," she said. "But he's got other ones, too, like 'boob tube' and 'electronic babysitter.'"

    Elkins said Green always makes sure to read the copies of Entertainment Weekly and People lying around the shop's break room, "just so he can point out all the stars and shows he's never heard of."

    "Last week, in one of the magazines, there was a picture of Calista Flockhart," Elkins said, "and Jonathan announced, 'I have absolutely no idea who this woman is. Calista who? Am I supposed to have heard of her? I'm sorry, but I haven't.'"

    Tony Gerela, who lives in the apartment directly below Green's and occasionally chats with the 37-year-old by the mailboxes, is well aware of his neighbor's disdain for television.

    "About a week after I met him, we were talking, and I made some kind of Simpsons reference," Gerela said. "He asked me what I was talking about, and when I told him it was from a TV show, he just went off, saying how the last show he watched was some episode of Cheers, and even then, he could only watch for about two minutes before having to shut it off because it insulted his intelligence so terribly."

    Added Gerela: "Once, I made the mistake of saying I saw something on the news, and he started in with, 'Saw the news? I don't know about you, but I read the news."

    Green has lived without television since 1989, when his then-girlfriend moved out and took her set with her.

    "When Claudia went, the TV went with her," Green said. "But instead of just going out and buying another one--which I certainly could have afforded, that wasn't the issue--I decided to stand up to the glass teat."

    "I'm not an elitist," Green said. "It's just that I'd much rather sculpt or write in my journal or read Proust than sit there passively staring at some phosphorescent screen."

    "If I need a fix of passive audio-visual stimulation, I'll go to catch a Bergman or Truffaut film down at the university," Green said. "I certainly wouldn't waste my time watching the so-called Learning Channel or, God forbid, any of the mind sewage the major networks pump out."

    Continued Green: "People don't realize just how much time their TV-watching habit--or, shall I say, addiction--eats up. Four hours of television a day, over the course of a month, adds up to 120 hours. That's five entire days! Why not spend that time living your own life, instead of watching fictional people live theirs? I can't begin to tell you how happy I am not to own a television."

    Source: http://www.theonion.com/onion3604/doesnt_own_telev ision.html

  50. What about Stanley Cup Hockey!?!? by deviantonline · · Score: 2, Informative

    I cant turn it off this week because there is too much hockey to watch! Maybe Im just a hoser, but Hockey Night In Canada is just too important to me!

  51. This is well timed... by SataiCam · · Score: 2, Informative

    ...since it's also National Library Week.

  52. Self-selected group of participants by ewg · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm all for turning off the TV, but I think the 90% figure is misleading.

    People who participate in this event have probably already decided or at least desired to reduce their television viewing, and are merely using this as a catalyst. They are self-selected: you couldn't expect a 90% success rate with a random group.

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    org.slashdot.post.SignatureNotFoundException: ewg
  53. Re:Hypocrisy by vorpal22 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    they are going to take it upon themselves to determine what my value structure should be and make those decisions for me?

    Could you have missed the point any further than you did?

    The point of National TV Turnoff Week is to provide people (most of who are largely unmotivated) with support through an organized event to reduce TV consumption. I'm sure there are a lot of people who would like to cut back on the number of hours they spend in front of the TV but lack determination to do so.

    No one's pressuring you into participating. It's there as an aid if you feel that it would be useful. If not, by all means, disregard it.

  54. Good...sick of hearing what was on last night by felonious · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I wish no one watched tv because I'm sick of "did you see that Seinfeld episode" as relating to any topic during the day. Friends is also used in that capacity as relating to real life. I'm so sick of hearing about the last year of this show. NBC is trying to pull at people's heart strings and equivacate the ending of the show with a life changing event. It's a fucking sitcom, those aren't real people, and if you're saddened by the end of the show then you need to get a fucking life!

    If anything I might have the tv on for the news in the background while I'm doing other things and when I go to bed I put in a dvd to put me to sleep but other than that I don't watch any tv.

    I refuse to watch reality tv because if my life is so boring I have to voyeur in on someone else's life I want to take 50 bullets to the head. TV is such a waste of time. Now being on a computer isn't because at least you're using your brain and you can be doing contructive things like downloading mp3's, movies, programs, and tons of pr0n:) Computers are about freedom and free shit!:D

    I work all day long as an IT guy and I do other work at home but I go to the gym, race sports atv's, play a lot fo other sports, go camping, and just stay busy. If I get into a game way too much I make myself do other things because real life needs to be concentrated on much more than my "virtual" life. It's about priorities and working towards a constructive life.

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    You aren't free to do anything, until you've lost everything.
  55. Can't do it - NHL Playoffs! by sharv · · Score: 2, Interesting

    But but but! I already paid for the NHL hockey package! I've got to find out who wins the Leafs/Senators series! My life depends on it!

    I consider watching CBC and TSN broadcasts of hockey games as positive credit towards learning about another culture. Without these broadcasts, I never would have learned about Don Cherry, Tim Horton's, and Canadian Tire.

    -sharv

  56. Re:Hypocrisy by vorpal22 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    By implying that watching television is an activity that people should strive to avoid

    *nods*... I can appreciate that. I'm of the opinion that television watching in moderation is perfectly fine and probably even healthy if it helps you to relax, but for a lot of people, television watching can probably be unhealthy. I look at people like my grandparents, who watch eight hours of TV a day or so and sit around complaining about how miserable their lives are. I'm of the opinion that if they had some sense of accomplishment, they wouldn't be feeling nearly so pessimistic.

    I agree that the website takes a decidedly negative anti-TV slant. I find some of their claims questionable and think that using these kinds of tactics to promote their goal isn't particularly encouraging. However, I still find their cause to be noble; for people like my roommates who work jobs they dislike, plop their asses down, and watch TV for seven hours a night until bedtime, I think that having the added motivation to experience something new for a week would broaden their horizons and let them see if alternative activities are worth pursuing.

  57. I've been part of this for years now I guess... by rdewalt · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have been successfully participating in this 'Week' of no TV for the better part of a year now. With the exceptions of my occasional remembering that on Sat Night, the local PBS plays Red Green / Red Dwarf / Dr Who in a block, I would not have any change in my life if I did not own a TV at all.

    I do not watch television outside of the afforementioned three shows, and I'm lucky if I remember once a month. I have never watched "Survivor", I had no idea "Apprentice" ended, nor do I really care what other crap is being shoved at me over airwaves I do not listen to.

    I have never seen "The Sopranos", "Seinfeld" or even "Friends". Even when I watched TV, I never watched outside of Cartoon Network/Boomerang or one of the "TLC/Discovery Channel" Use Your Brain channels. Those channels never -once- insulted my intelligence. Yes, Cartoon network used to try and convince me my life was meaningless unless I was breathing Scooby Doo, so I just turned -that- off too.

    Am I missing out? No. The only real reason I have a TV anymore, is to connect to my DVD player|PS2|XBox and if I had a decent VGA box for the latter two, I'd not need more than my monitor. (Except I have a 17" monitor and a 29" TV and a better home theater than my computer's audio....) (Yes, I know I can use a vga converter, but I'm a zealot. Ever played a Dreamcast on VGA? Lord love a duck, there's no comparison.)

    If I wish to catch up on something that I might have missed, that a co-worker/friend/some-putz-on-irc things I -NEED- to see, oddly enough, there's Torrents and shares of practically any broadcast TV show now these days, if you know where to look.

    If you cannot give up something, even for a mere -week- then you are addicted, and should seriously take the time to to a self check on if thats good, or bad.

  58. The revolution will not be televised! by joel_archer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You will not be able to stay home, brother.
    You will not be able to plug in, turn on and cop out.
    You will not be able to lose yourself on skag and skip,
    Skip out for beer during commercials,
    Because the revolution will not be televised.

    The revolution will not be televised.
    The revolution will not be brought to you by Xerox
    In 4 parts without commercial interruptions.
    The revolution will not show you pictures of Nixon
    blowing a bugle and leading a charge by John
    Mitchell, General Abrams and Spiro Agnew to eat
    hog maws confiscated from a Harlem sanctuary.
    The revolution will not be televised.

    The revolution will not be brought to you by the
    Schaefer Award Theatre and will not star Natalie
    Woods and Steve McQueen or Bullwinkle and Julia.
    The revolution will not give your mouth sex appeal.
    The revolution will not get rid of the nubs.
    The revolution will not make you look five pounds
    thinner, because the revolution will not be televised, Brother.

    There will be no pictures of you and Willie May
    pushing that shopping cart down the block on the dead run,
    or trying to slide that color television into a stolen ambulance.
    NBC will not be able predict the winner at 8:32
    or report from 29 districts.
    The revolution will not be televised.

    There will be no pictures of pigs shooting down
    brothers in the instant replay.
    There will be no pictures of pigs shooting down
    brothers in the instant replay.
    There will be no pictures of Whitney Young being
    run out of Harlem on a rail with a brand new process.
    There will be no slow motion or still life of Roy
    Wilkens strolling through Watts in a Red, Black and
    Green liberation jumpsuit that he had been saving
    For just the proper occasion.

    Green Acres, The Beverly Hillbillies, and Hooterville
    Junction will no longer be so damned relevant, and
    women will not care if Dick finally gets down with
    Jane on Search for Tomorrow because Black people
    will be in the street looking for a brighter day.
    The revolution will not be televised.

    There will be no highlights on the eleven o'clock
    news and no pictures of hairy armed women
    liberationists and Jackie Onassis blowing her nose.
    The theme song will not be written by Jim Webb,
    Francis Scott Key, nor sung by Glen Campbell, Tom
    Jones, Johnny Cash, Englebert Humperdink, or the Rare Earth.
    The revolution will not be televised.

    The revolution will not be right back after a message
    bbout a white tornado, white lightning, or white people.
    You will not have to worry about a dove in your
    bedroom, a tiger in your tank, or the giant in your toilet bowl.
    The revolution will not go better with Coke.
    The revolution will not fight the germs that may cause bad breath.
    The revolution will put you in the driver's seat.

    The revolution will not be televised, will not be televised,
    will not be televised, will not be televised.
    The revolution will be no re-run brothers;
    The revolution will be live.

  59. It kills imagination by Coppit · · Score: 2, Insightful

    My wife teaches first grade, and says that the kids have zero imagination. Halfway through one of their stories, she realizes that they are just regurgitating a movie or TV show. When she asks them to use their imagination, they think that are...

    One of the students wrote a story about how a new kid moved into the neighborhood named "Legoras".

    That's when we decided our kids will have omish toys--big blocky wooden stuff with wheels. Or maybe Legos. If they want to have fun, they'll have to invent it.

  60. The Words of Howard Beale by Valdrax · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Yes, you can read newspapers to get by, but having moving pictures in your home is one of the greatest inventions of all time. Why would you want to abstain from it for some enlightend purpose?

    I will leave you with a quote from Howard Beale, an overstressed news anchor turned mad street prophet, from the movie "Network":
    You people and sixty-two million other Americans are listening to me right now. Because less than three percent of you people read books. Because less than fifteen percent of you read newspapers. Because the only truth you know is what you get over this tube. Right now, there is a whole, an entire generation that never knew anything that didn't come out of this tube. This tube is the gospel, the ultimate revelation. This tube can make or break Presidents, Popes, Prime Ministers. This tube is the most awesome, god-damned force in the whole godless world. And woe is us if it ever falls into the hands of the wrong people [...movie plot stuff snipped...] And when the twelfth largest company in the world controls the most awesome, god-damned propaganda force in the whole godless world, who knows what s--t will be peddled for truth on this network.

    So, you listen to me! Listen to me! Television is not the truth. Television is a god-damned amusement park. Television is a circus, a carnival, a traveling troupe of acrobats, story tellers, dancers, singers, jugglers, sideshow freaks, lion tamers and football players. We're in the boredom-killing business. So if you want the truth, go to your God, go to your gurus, go to yourselves because that's the only place you're ever gonna find any real truth. But man, you're never gonna get any truth from us. We'll tell you anything you want to hear. We lie like hell! We'll tell you that Kojack always gets the killer, and nobody ever gets cancer in Archie Bunker's house. And no matter how much trouble the hero is in, don't worry. Just look at your watch - at the end of the hour, he's gonna win. We'll tell you any s--t you want to hear. We deal in illusions, man. None of it is true! But you people sit there day after day, night after night, all ages, colors, creeds - we're all you know. You're beginning to believe the illusions we're spinning here. You're beginning to think that the tube is reality and that your own lives are unreal. You do whatever the tube tells you. You dress like the tube, you eat like the tube, you raise your children like the tube. You even think like the tube.

    This is mass madness. You maniacs. In God's name, you people are the real thing. We are the illusion. So turn off your television sets. Turn them off now. Turn them off right now. Turn them off and leave them off. Turn them off right in the middle of this sentence I am speaking to you now. Turn them off!
    Network is simply one of the best movies ever made about TV and the News. I highly recommend it. Despite 70s dress and equipment, it manages not to be dated. All the issues it deals with are still relevant, from how sensationalism taints objectivity and values to how quickly idealists can sell-out when given the opportunity.
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    If it's for-profit but free, you're not the customer -- you're the product (e.g., the Slashdot Beta's "audience").
  61. Self-Reply to add.... by GrnArmadillo · · Score: 2, Informative
    Site's apparantly just slow rather than dead, and the truth is worse than the Slashdot blurb makes it look. The quote (bolding mine):

    "TV-Turnoff Week Works!
    According to hundreds of responses to our TV-Turnoff Week follow-up surveys, 90 percent of responding participants reduced their TV-viewing as a result of participating."

    Who's going to go to the bother of responding to the survey to say how the whole exercise was a waste of their time? This isn't even an attempt at a scientific poll and should have been reviewed with more scrutiny by the editors.

  62. Already happened... by gillbates · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I gave up tv several years ago.

    My Mom, unfortunately, bought me a set for Christmas when I moved into an apartment. I say "unfortunately" because my wife is now addicted to tv, and I can't stand the thing, personally.

    After the Army, everything changed for me. I had been there, done that in a very big way. After college, I became aware of how positively assinine the programming was:

    • I can't watch a news program without wondering how much they've exaggerated, how much they've left out, or if they've made the whole thing up.
    • I can't watch a sitcom without being inundated with someone else's socio-political agenda. Yes, I know gays exist. No, the fact that you're gay does't make you a good actor, nor does it make your story interesting. Everyone has had to overcome something in their life, and you are no different - but just less interesting.
    • I can't watch a "reality" show at all. On the rare occasion when the contestant is smarter than a cardboard box, they still can't act. I'm listening to someone spill their guts about their date, rehashing it like an NFL play-by-play. And then, in some monotone voice, they tell me that they "care about this person, might have feelings for them..." Which makes me think their love for this person is no deeper than a puddle, or they're just trying to pretend they love this person so they go home with the prize money.

    Television really doesn't offer me anything anymore.

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    The society for a thought-free internet welcomes you.
  63. Re:I think you've got it backwards by gantrep · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I stopped watching television entirely from November 2001 until September 2003. I still watch very little, but I'm at college now and have a roommate, and sometimes it's fun to watch it with him.

    I guess I would say that by the time I had quit watching tv, I had probably settled into what would have been my "adult" pattern of watching television.

    It was especially difficult to give it up for me because I was very badly addicted. I watched tv from when I got home from school until around midnight. I did homework and ate while I sat in front of the tube. I realized this was terrible so I gave it up cold turkey. No exceptions for Simpsons or any other favorite shows.

    The act of sitting in front of a tv and grabbing the remote was an automatic motion and it was very strange to keep doing that and then remembering that I don't even watch tv anymore. You're right indeed that it felt very strange for a while. It did feel like that's what I was "supposed to do." Eerie.

    Giving it up for a time though very very definately has permanently changed the way I watch TV. I can't watch TV by myself without feeling pathetic(rightfully). The amount of time I spend watching it has been greatly reduced and how engrossed I get in it has changed dramatically. It's so creepy the way that some people can't have any distractions when they watch tv. If I'm watching with my sister and try to make some comment about the show, she'll shush me for distracting her.

    The strangest thing is how it was actually difficult to START watching tv. TV is ACTUALLY EXTREMELY STRANGE. This is obvious of course, but why doesn't that bother you? It's disorienting, fragmented, most shows change camera perspectives every few seconds. Commercials are even worse. Everything looks fake, you notice people's makeup, you notice the strange way studio lighting falls on a set, not like a real house or apartment, there are only a few voiceover people that do a lot of commercials, etc etc.

    These things I noticed not by watching a lot of tv, but by viewing it with fresh eyes. TV was actually quite creepy when I came back to it. Even creepier is how quickly I'm getting used to it again.

  64. A woman who doesn't watch television? by benzapp · · Score: 2, Funny

    I don't believe it.

    What does she do with her life?

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    I don't read or respond to AC posts
  65. Not hopeless... by artemis67 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just make sure your Tivo is on, and then watch twice as much TV the following week...

  66. Oh sure. by 455 · · Score: 2

    Oh sure, pick the week to be during hockey playoffs! C'mon... let's turn our TV's off during the world series or something.

  67. So what about... by sunbeam60 · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... watching TV on plasmas and TFTs? Since they don't form a picture by updating one dot at the time, you would by your idea be less prone to advertisement?

    1. Re:So what about... by tbmaddux · · Score: 2, Funny
      I know billboards don't. Maybe it's because they tend to put them up around the highway.
      Does that imply that blind people would be more responsive to billboards if they were put, say, in their bedrooms?
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      Can't you see that everyone is buying station wagons?
  68. TV is s a drug... by taradfong · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just like sugar, cigarettes and crack. While you're on it, you think all-in-all everything's ok. Sure, you know it'd be better to stop, but heck you deserve to enjoy yourself and you work too hard to take on another 'project'.

    But stop and think about it objectively for a minute. What do you *really* get out of seeing each and every A-Team/Friends/Night Rider/Buffy episode? Doesn't it seem pathetic when you realize most of your cable viewing consists of hours of watching something mildly interesting for 3 minutes, flipping, repeat?

    And let me promise you, if you do stop, the world seems like a different place. You'll actually enjoy TV more when you watch it, say, at a hotel. You'll realize how TV more or less recycles the same storylines and junk because after years of not watching, you really won't have missed much.

    The strangest thing is that you'll realize how much you are talked down to by commercials and the news. Wonder why people in classic movies talk with sophistication while adults today sound like junior high dropouts of the past? It's because we rise or lower ourselves to our environment, and TV has become in a twisted way our primary interface to reality.

    Don't even get me started if you have kids...unless you want them to turn out to be just like all the other illiterate, overweight, short attention span, "can't compete with Indian kids after $80k of eduction but knows every Simpson's/Sponge Bob episode by heart" losers.

    So...do what I do. No broadcast TV. No cable. Take it out of your house. Like a drug, the only way to really kick it is to quit completely and keep it out of sight. Don't even connect the antenna. There are plenty of Movies and DVDs to keep you occupied.

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    Does it hurt to hear them lying? Was this the only world you had?
  69. Burning Man by justfred · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Personally, my turn-off-the-tv (and the phone and the internet and the social filters and the clothing and most of the rest of the pesky trappings of reality) time is the week before Labor Day. And it's amazing to me to see how little I really miss out on. It's even reduced my consumption of these things the rest of the year (what with beach burns and construction parties and campouts and other social functions).


    Besides, if you want to literally kill your television, what better place to do it? (As long as you're playa-friendly, of course!)


    But, uh, don't take it from me. Don't go. You wouldn't like it. It's so over. It was better last year. It's just a rave. Too many people. Too hot. Too many drugs and naked freaks.

  70. Don't be THAT GUY by silkySlim · · Score: 2
    For all those "I don't watch TV already" posters, this is YOU:

    Area Man Constantly Mentioning He Doesn't Own A Television

    CHAPEL HILL, NC--Area resident Jonathan Green does not own a television, a fact he repeatedly points out to friends, family, and coworkers--as well as to his mailman, neighborhood convenience-store clerks, and the man who cleans the hallways in his apartment building....</snip>

    You are annoying.

  71. TVTURNOFF Week = DMCA Violation by kaltkalt · · Score: 2, Funny

    As well as tortious interference with pre-existing contract. I'm quite sure that consumers watching tv is the basis for the business model of TV networks. Telling people to not watch their TVs interferes with that business model. Clearly those who buy TVs have an implied contract to watch them (and the commercials). Since interference with a business model when electricity is somehow involved (e.g. electronic devices) is a DMCA violation, this is a DMCA violation. Also, tortious interference with contract. Let the lawsuits begin. Sadly I'm only half kidding.

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    Stupid people make stupid things profitable.
  72. Can you go negative??? by TrentC · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My wife and I have not had cable for nigh upon 5 years now; we have a TV, but it's got a DVD, VCR and Gamecube hooked up to it.

    Netflix has allowed me to watch TV shows that I'm interested in at my pace. A couple of episodes of Smallville here, some Stargate SG-1 there, etc. etc. We're also getting caught up on the movies that we missed in the theaters (mainly stuff that appeals to her than to me...) Other than that, the TV isn't on. I get my news from the radio, the local newspaper and Google News.

    Instead, I read. And surf the net. And use Safari to "check out" books on subjects I'm interested in, to see if I want to buy them.

    There are all sorts of things you can do if you're not sitting in front of the TV. For every amazing new TV show that's out there, there's probably an equally amazing comic, or novel, or movie. (And don't get me started on the crap that some people feel like wasting precious hours of their lives on...)

    Jay (=

  73. strange... not in the news.... by iamhassi · · Score: 2, Funny
    "Next week (April 19th - 25th 2004) is National TV Turn Off Week in the USA."

    odd... didn't see that reported on the news tonight... I'll watch again at 10, maybe it'll be on the late news.

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    my karma will be here long after I'm gone
  74. Someone please explain by |/|/||| · · Score: 2, Interesting
    What I want to know is how the hell anyone has time to watch TV. How? By the time I get home from work, I have 4 or 5 hours before I have to go to bed - and I spend at least an hour or two doing chores, making dinner, washing dishes, etc. That leaves me with 3 hours a day of recreation time. There's no way I'm going to waste any of it watching TV. I've already got a lifetime's worth of projects started, but even if I'm just drinking a beer and relaxing I don't want to be sitting in front of a TV - it just draws your attention and sucks up your time. Is everyone else unemployed? Who are these people that watch hours of television every day? Do they do nothing but work, sleep, and watch TV?

    How I spend my time doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things, but the last thing I need is a time sink just for the sake of wasting time.

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