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Apple Previewing New Power Mac?
dunric writes "CNET.com reports that Apple Computer may be previewing a new Power Mac, complete with dual G5 processors and a more advanced memory configuration." The "previewing" isn't intentional, though -- the report is based on service and repair documents distributed last month and reported on AppleInsider.com. AppleInsider has taken down at least one image from their report, but have added an artist's rendering.
I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Horror/Sci Fi actor Ronald Reagan was found dead in his Bel Air home this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his bombs, there's no denying his contributions to popular poverty. Truly an American icon.
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why wouldn't apple want the previewing?
to me, it seems like good advertising... for free, and you know how companies like free adverts
Among the many changes expected in the new Power Mac G5 are a smaller motherboard, vertical RAM slots, and a unified heatsink cover plate with the G5 inscription.
now that's what i call Apple innovation, in other news BWM have added a spiffy inscription to the door sill, its rumoured to say "sucker"
Apple Insider, Mac Rumors and a bunch of other sites have been reporting this for at least a week.
There seems to be either a huge heatsink or some kind of cover over it in this image Here looks cool.
Is this the fastest computer EVER that they keep talking about?
How utterly clever! Great idea if it works for future leaks on stuff, don't post the original pictures, just get someone to draw/photoshop a "rendition" up.
How much will it cost?
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Only for an apple product would the fans care more about how pretty it looked, rather than how fast it ran. Not saying it isn't fast, but why all the fuss over pictures?
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why does apple get all this praise with the slightest innovation. ive heard so much talk from people about how good g5's setup is. however, i built a p4 2.6ghz rdram machine with a ultra 160 scsi drive for half a grand and it outperforms my brothers g5 and he spent over two grand on it. i use windows 2000 pro and i have no crashes. linux is nice but if you know how to use it windows isnt nearly as unstable as everyone claims it to be. troll me if you like, but this is the truth!
Check this link out from Appleinsider under the user name "windowsblowsass". I thought that was humorous.
Yes! I listen to NYC Speedcore and do math at 3AM. I suggest you try it too.
This may be the picture you are looking for...
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With WWDC coming up, isn't it somewhat obvious that apple is preparing a new PowerMac? Most likely a new revision of most of there stuff.
I mean, they are coming out with 10.4 at the WWDC, why not new hardware to run it on?
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I'll take any Mac that runs at 1GHz or more (...not saying that 2 or 3GHz wouldn't be nice...). The family computer is shared by 4 people and runs at 800MHz. I want to get my own computer, so I can fill it up with my junk instead of everyone else's.
That's all I have to say about the new PowerMac.
Go to Wired and check out their Cult of Mac blog, and I think get have some pics/more info on this.
I know nothing
Is that the rumor is that the next "generation" of the G5 will be all duals. This definitely puts a kink in my plans to buy a dual 1.8, esp. since Apple tends to keep the same prices but bumps up the specs when they make new releases(and doesn't sell the old stuff anymore), and since I am a student, it seems the best deal is to buy off apple themselves(through the $99 student developer program you can get 1 hardware purchase at about 20% off, more than pays for itself even against the normal student discount)
They changed the inside of their fucking case around! OH MY GOD!
Give me a fucking break.
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Apple claimed to make the fastest computer (G5) but it was compared to buisness enterprise CPU's and not overclocked home PCs. I suppose they will say this new G5 is the fastest computer yet again.
Have you metaroderated recently?
June 23, 2003
visit http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/wwdc03/ and fast forward to 1:51:50
"We're at 2GHz today. IBM and Apple are today announcing that within 12 months that we'll be at 3GHz. 3GHz processor clock. That's up 50% within 12 months. And so, believe me, this architecture has legs."
Some people dispute what Jobs meant when he said that. At best, it could mean new 3GHz G5 PowerMacs by late June. Or at worst, it could mean that IBM will release a 3GHz G5 Processor by August 2004, since the G5 PowerMac was slated to ship in August of 2003.
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What's next, slashdot reporting on traffic jams on the Beltway?
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RTFJ.
Who the hell can say that Apple is not THE SHIT?
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- Cocoa
- Quartz
- Stylish industrial design.
- Best tech support in the business. They treat you WELL!
I go to the library with my puny little iBook and chicks come talk to me. OVER a freaking computer!!!
You can run all kinds of free software thru Fink.
You can run Windows thru Virtual PC (Dog slow, but it works).
They include X11, Developer tools, all kinds of pretty things....
WHAT MORE CAN YOU WANT?????
Can't wait until they put Gianpaolo to good use and get rid of HFS+, though. Case preservation can kiss my ass.
I'm 28, been using computers since 5. Apple is THE SHIT!!!
I had forgot about the fun in computing until I got my first Apple in 2001.
There are a lot of old dogs, who have been through a lot of shit, and they all say that, for example, a Powerbook is what computers should have been all along.
Damn right.
BTW... screw Political Correctness. You all post shit on slashdot like you were waiting a table. You CAN make a valid point and still say the word FUCK. It's OK.
I like this quote by Lenny Bruce (don't know who the hell he is, but anyhow):
'Take away the right to say "fuck" and you take away the right to say "fuck the government.'
Take care! Oh, and get a Mac. You'll see what I'm talking about.
P.S. - It rules when a HOT chick you just hooked up with complains about the breathing led on your sleeping Mac.
Yes, it is possible to write some serious code and still pull ass.
Wasn't Feynman the biggest nerd ever, and still able to pull ass?
Feminists hated the bitch, and he was fucking with quantum physics.
How can you not admire a dude like that, who goes to Brasil to learn how to play the bongos
Some idiot writes 10 lines of PERL and thinks it's OK to have no game. Pathetic.
What's the point of being able to mess (as in write/modify -- not compile) a kernel if you can't walk up to a HOT girl and say:
"Hi! I'm XYZ. You have a beatiful smile. Can I buy you a drink/Hold this for you/Open the fucking door/Give you flowers/whatever the fuck?"
Women are humans. Humans.
Sorry about the offtopicness but half of the blogs I read, from people who write better code than me, are depressing because those dudes can't get laid.
"When I go to a conference, I relate to those people, but how do I talk to girls?"
Geek guides for dating.... WHAT THE HELL!!!!!!
There is NO guide for dating.
Be the fucking man. Be assertive. Be strong. Just fucking do it.
Insecure? Go test your fucking limits: skydive, pump iron, pick a fight... do something fucking manly... and you get women.
That's it. I'm sick of this post. Take care.
Please remove parent post.
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Apple has historically enjoyed high margins. This is how they stayed in business, and why a Mac costs more than an equivalent wintel box. Nice try injecting that into an otherwise good post, but it won't fly here.
My office still runs PII-400 machines and gets the job done very well.. and I personally have a couple of Pentium 233's at home (in addition to my more current box) that sees plenty of use..
Whats your point, or are you the one trolling here?
What do you mean "longer life"? If you're still using it, doesn't that sorta destory your argument here?
They're PREVIEWING MacOS 10.4 Tiger, not releasing it, supposedly. Also, their G5s are seriously due for an update, after almost a year (if you don't count the change to the 1.8 GHz model). This would have happened sooner if IBM could produce the 90 nm chips faster, but c'est la vie...
"I like systems, their application excepted", George Sand (French)
It's a shame you can't channel that creativity into something a bit more inclusive.
The significance here is that the new motherboard is smaller.
Because Apple doesn't have to create motherboards that fit some standard size and fastener layout, they're free to adjust their designs as parts change, which makes them free to adjust the external design of the machine as the motherboard shrinks.
They also have a strong desire to be able to reuse a motherboard design across multiple products.
In other words, the smaller that G5 motherboard gets, the closer we are to seeing it in a consumer iMac, or even a PowerBook.
Innovation doesn't just grow on trees, and Apple's proprietary designs give them the flexibility needed to produce unique computers.
By contrast, there have been around, what, five? standard PC motherboard sizes since the 386. Commodity parts are great for end user prices, but commodity means "same", and it shows in the final product.
I'd like to see some benchmarks on performance there...
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Here's what you're paying for on the mac:
mobo
The Mac mobo supports pci-x, serial ata and up to 1ghz fsb. It can also take up to 8 gigs of DDR-400 RAM if you want/need it. Also, what about the gigabit ethernet, optical spdif audio, bluetooth, etc?
Entry level gamers video card
The Mac video card, a GeForce FX 5200, supports two monitors and is rather faster than that entry level card. Still, it's not that much more expensive.
cpu
The G5 is probably not as fast, but it has a faster fsb and a comparable vector processing unit. I don't know about you, but in most of the stuff I do, the fsb and vector unit are more important than raw crunching here (not to mention the video card). For compilation, the Athlon would probably win.
Ram
Same as you get through Apple, but they mark it up.
hard drive
Apple is using larger drives (yours is only 40gb) and they're SATA rather than IDE... should give you a faster transfer rate there.
DVD-CDRW thingie
Yep, can't beat you there, I have one of those and it's quite a nice drive. Apple is using an older Pioneer drive, which is also unfortunately more expensive.
Case
The G5 case has you beat pretty soundly. It's higher quality if heavier material. It's extremely quiet (to people with a normal hearing range, it's a bit leaky in the 19k area). It's trivial to install drives: open the case door, slide the drive in, fold in the connectors (no cables to mess with). Similarly with RAM. There aren't as many drive bays, though, but Apple is supposedly going to address this in the next revision.
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They aren't REAL geeks if they care too much about the looks!
Blar.
I want a Mac, I think. Then I see these articles where Apple legal freaks out and threatens and bullies people. It gives me chills and maybe I don't want a Mac after all. All you Mac apologists can go to hell with your corporate fan boy excuses. It is just another big corporation with lots of money bullying around the little guys and enthusiests. I think it's a bad thing.
I'm probably not the only one who feels Apple has a glaring hole in it's current product line: the small form factor desktop. At the moment, the choices are the HUGE G5 tower (clearly designed to be placed on the floor rather than on a desk), or the all-in-ones e/iMac. Personally, I don't find any of the desktop designs particularly attractive. The iMac design is really an acquired taste, while the eMac somehow manages to be uglier than the old CRT iMacs. Many people are moving to LCD screens, and Apple selection is a bit lacking.
I really wished Apple would release something like the Dell SX270 with a G4 at a low price, basically an e/iMac sans monitor. I know last time Apple tried something in this direction didn't work too well, but the Cube was just too expensive for what it offered.
You're a moron.
This is not a bunch of people going "OOOOOOOHHHHH, shiiiiiiiiny!" and mooning over a case design-- the photo and artist's rendering are of the INTERNALS of the machine, and the excitement is over just what the differences are between the current Power Macs and the unreleased ones apparently depicted in the pictures, as well as what is lurking under that huge metal plate where the CPU heatsinks live in Power Mac G5 Revision A.
Apple's design goes beyond aesthetics. For example, the new keyboard's don't have a "scroll lock" or "num lock" keyes. The reason for this is not just so that they can eliminate a few keys, but because they're not needed.
If I have a full size number keypad, why would I want to switch it off and on? (and for those 12 of you that actually use the diagonal arrows instead of arrows, I don't really care to hear the explanation)
And WTF is "scroll lock" again?
If you don't know what AltaVista is (was), get off my lawn.
Is it too early to start talking about a case redesign from Apple?
I'd love to see a small box instead of a tower. Worked great for Sun's "pizza box" and "lunch box" server models, and those are even stackable.
If they really can't design something that size that would be heat efficient with the (expected) speed bump, they could still use that smaller board with slower speed CPUS that use the new die. Surely they've already figured the temperature issue out with their work on the XServes, though?
If Apple doesn't do it, I'll bet someone else will.
Get off my launchpad!
"Apple's design goes beyond aesthetics"
Yep. I still own one of the old iMacs. It makes a fine mp3 player in the living room.
I am reminded of the famous Apple design aesthetic each time I try to use that round mouse.
Only Mac addicts would get all hot and bothered over brand new shiny vertically-oriented memory modules.
generally Apple get's very good points from analysts when they see how small Apple's inventory is... hrm i can't think of the term but generally Apple does not have more than a few weeks of products in limbo. they have an issue with iPod minis and that's the hard drive manufacturer. while it isn't great to have demand outpace supply, it's better than having mountians of devices nobody will buy. some companies live by that motto..... Minui Coopers, Harley Davidsons and Triumph motorcycles for example. they take it to an extreme (somepared to Apple), but they know every vehicle they make will be sold right off. that's a nice place to be.
the delay on the new powermacs has def been processors. it's possible there are other components, but Apple and IBM admitted there were issues at the IBM chipmaking plant that caused problems for supplies getting to Apple. it was the chip that is in the current Xserves and rumored to have been in the G5 tower revision. now the speculation is that the G5 tower may hop right up to the next chip revision alltogether.
My G4 iBook still has numlock
But I fail to see how it is useful
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Hence the popularity of case modding.
I will not buy a new mac CPU until they fit in a 19 in. rack again! I will use Macs forever, but their current form factor is bogus
this is the sickest thing.. holy fucking shit... watch that ur ganna be like holy shit!!
so you can moce around witout loosing cell focus.
I bring this up, because this keyboard will make some features in office unusable.
It is often faster then using the mouse.
Numlock is used in some older games, makes moving diaganol easy.
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I have helped my friend choose and built a server for his studies in databases which is IMO "kickass". His budget was anything below $2000 Hardware price from newegg.com
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 XP3200+ - $274.00
RAM: 2x512MB Corsair XMS PC4200 - $279.00
HD: Seagate 160GB 7200RPM 8MB Buffer - $110.50
Video: Ati Radeon 9800 128mb - $222.00 (in case he upgrades his desktop, he can swap video cards and use this for his gaming)
SoundCard: Creative Audigy OEM - $42.00
Motherboard: Abit KV8-MAX3 - $139.00
Power Supply: Antec TruePower 480W - $83.00
Case: Kingwin KT-424-S - $76.00
OS: None (he uses SuSE) but if u want to put windows there, add whatever wintendo costs.
I did not add a monitor or the other usual devices (mouse/keyboard) considering he has those lying around at home so he doesn't need any of those.
There u got a kickass 64bit pc for $1225 (~1500 if u add windows xp pro).
Now compare that with the slowest G5 on apple's website which starts at ONLY $1900. And at "only" $1900, remember that you have to add a monitor so that + whatever choice = much more than an athlon64 based pc/server. just a simple comparison and just my $0.03 (yep)
Actually, your G4 iBook has an F key mapped to "num lock". You can remap it if it bothers you that much...i have mine mapped to Expose Desktop.
It would be a useful key, if you knew the alternate numlock setup on your laptop by heart. I don't, but I knew a guy who did.
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as good I'll buy that machine. Your view is too simplistic. It's not just the hardware, it's the software as well. And XP doesn't compare to OS X in any way.
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Of my favorite cases on that page. That guy has way too much time on his hands, impressive nonetheless.
"Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus Rex."
you can hang a Pizza box on the wall, behind your LCD (if that's not on the wall already)
Or put it on a stand.
Example
there are dual 1.8 and 2 GHz G5s on the Apple store right now. did I miss something earlier in the topic or did these just appear in the last couple of hours? http://www.apple.com/store
I have been using a 450MHz PII as my main computer for 5 years, doing high-end 3d modeling and rendering along with industrial CAD work. I also use it for typing reports, edit digital video and work with print quality images in Photoshop.
It works quite well.
It doesn't look that different, heatsink-wise, from my current G5 dual (size about right, but the new heatsink enclosure appears to be one instead of two boxes). The old picture is for a single processor model.
However, looking closely, there doesn't seem to be a set of front fans in the processor air path of the new dual....
Nice sig.
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Walk hand in hand
Thanks for being a prude. While you are pursuing your moral crusade you may as well be technically proper.
Thanks for trying, though.
How many old PCs are and how many old Macs? It's demand and supply law, not quality.
"It is our choices, Harry, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities." -- Prof. Dumbledore
If the new G5 only gets 4 RAM slots and if the new G5 is designed for 10.4 (Tiger), then Tiger will still not be a full 64bit OS. What a pity.
I just ordered a Dual 2GHz G5 last week!
This always happens....
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The last time Apple announced a top-end speed bump was when they announced the G5, a year ago. Since then, AMD and Intel have announced a plethora of new chips. The average (not always on schedule, but usually) is 3-4 months between top-end speed bumps for the x86/Wintel crowd. There's a constant perception that they're making the fastest faster and they keep inertia from setting in with the regular bumps. Look at how much delaying Prescott and going with the EE chip hurt Intel vs. AMD.
For all Apple tries to claim "FAST", their speed bumps come at a snail's pace. And then, when they announce it, it's still 4-6 weeks (or more) until the first ships to consumers. On top of that, because it's so far between bumps, you're dealing with huge pent-up demand by the time they finally announce a bump. It ensures the newest hot Apple processor will be so backordered, you'll wait another 6-8 weeks for it.
By the time it's on your desk, whatever was the hot new Pentium when you ordered your hot new Apple will already be a generation old. Plus you'll have to show a LOT of patience, waiting 12-14 weeks for your new Mac, when Dell can get you the best Pentium possible in 12-14 days.
Forget about pricing and relative tech merits, Microsoft vs. the world, whatever. If Apple wants to compete with Wintel, IMO, Apple needs to update their top-of-the-line hardware more often, announce it closer to the ship date, and get it out the door in a reasonable time.
Start a happiness pandemic
Don't get me wrong, I'm totally stoked if Apple rolls out new models, faster processors, etc. but the irony of my $2500 upgrade coming with another non-scrolling mouse just pisses me off. When is Apple going to stop forcing us to purchase basic peripherals? Great design, fabulous interface..... and 3 years too late on the scrolling mouse bandwagon.
N/T...
>And WTF is "scroll lock" again?
It may not be used for what it was originally designed for, but it *is* the machine switch key for most KVM's
Not having one on my Powerbook is a pain when administering my Linux renderfarm...
Anyone have a good fix?
Unless Apple comes up with a docking station, this is not practical except for college students with more time than money.
"but a well maintained Japanese care (with the possible exception of Mitsubishi) will put a BMW to shame for life span"
Keep telling yourself that. I sure it gives you something to feel better about as you putter around town in your Civic.
Don't get me wrong, I owned a Civic in '81 and I really liked it. But then I graduated college and got a real car.
" for a RAID setup with dual CPUs"
Is this where you tell us that RAID 0 is the way to go for important data?
Shit no. But a RAID 0 setup will result in greatly reduced query times and thus a much faster overall database machine. Even a software RAID will result in faster read/write times...and since you can get a second hard drive for less than half the cost of that $250 graphics card the grandparent was touting, which would you suggest for "database studies?"
Hey freaks: now you're ju
This is the commonly accepted use of the word. Since you are obviously challenged by intellectual rigor (and I question your ability to reliably follow a hyperlink):
Now that I have gotten that out of my system...
Profanity has traditionally referred to language, that (as definition 3 above supports) involves something irreverent regarding something considered sacred. So, while "GO FUCK YOURSELF" is considered vulgar, "LET CHRIST FUCK YOU IN HELL" would be considered profane (personal belief systems notwithstanding).
Take it as an opportunity to learn some interesting English semantic information-- oh, and "LET CHRIST FUCK YOU IN HELL, YOU DUMBFUCK." :)
News flash, circa 1985: the Macintosh is not (and has never been) a viable gaming platform.
You don't have to be smart to use a Mac, you just have to be smart enough to buy one
"GO FUCK YOURSELF"