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Spammer Apologizes
radarsat1 writes "The Globe and Mail reports that Canadian professional spammer Eric Head, after being sued by Yahoo!, has apologized formally for his behaviour and vows to mend his ways by teaching others about the dangers of the internet. Let's hope others begin to take his lead."
that he doesn't do it by email...
And you may ask yourself
Am I right? Am I wrong?
And you may say to yourself
My god! What have I done?
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"vows to mend his ways by teaching others about the dangers of the internet."
Is that supposed to be a joke? Come on, what a cop out. I'm all for people reforming, but why does this sound so phoney? I give it 6 months before he's back at it again, probably based out of China or Russia.
He never apologised to me.
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...if I ever see him, I'll beat the crap outta him. Then apologize.
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Is he sorry that he bothered millions of users, clogged up mailboxes, and generally made a nusiance of himself? Or, is he sorry that he got caught?
And, if he's teaching about the "dangers of the internet," does that mean he'll teach people to avoid scams like the ones he launched? Or, is he going to teach other spammers about how he got caught?
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RTFA. The spammer will apologize and will work for a charitable organization. Already he has plans to send out emails asking to help the Nigerian Prime Minister unlock trillions of dollars from the Sultan of Brunei -- all he needs is a small donation from YOU!
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"It is critical that every person be given an opportunity to opt-out of receiving e-mail correspondence promoting commercial products." ...so now will I get 3000 e-mails a day asking if I want to opt out of getting a new "perfect" loan?
I can imagine what it looked like
"I'm sorry, I didn't realize it would be such a problem!" *wipes nose with C-note* "I only wanted to make a couple extra dollars a month, put an extra bread roll on the table..." *lights cigarette from burning $50*
He may be sorry, but I'm sure his bank account isn't...
...how sorry he would have felt if he hadn't been caught and sued. More than likely he'd still be hijacking people's computers and spamming away. Money has a way of compromising people.
A dark, sinister voice is heard to say, "Sucker. More bandwidth for me to use and more space in email boxes for me to stuff."
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
94,000,000 emails in a single month. If 1% of those emails made them a single dollar the would still gross $940,000 (US $687,034). That's pretty impressive for 1 month's work (hell, I'd still be impressed if it was over 5 years).
Now what, they pay $100,000, move to Tahiti and retire for the rest of their lives? That'll show'em!
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Like being on the receiving end of a lawsuit.
Wanna bet a public apology was part of the secret settlement terms?
My rights don't need management.
Use JavaScript to write your e-mail on your web page to fool the spambots. Won't tell you how, to avoid mono-culture, but easy to do yourself. Or set up a cgi web page on your site for e-mail adresses that require a button click to get to.
Spammers lie.
What is that and how is he qualified to teach people about it?
I guess that's getting to be the standard line now -- "Honest, I'm really sorry. But I'm not responsible, it was the Internet!"
What's next, "I'm sorry I was drunk and ran over you're kid but the road was responsible. I'll teach poeple about the dangers of driving."
sheesh. --rhad
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"Let's hope others begin to take his lead"
Let's hope other businesses take Yahoo's lead and sue the HELL out of spammers.
He formally changes his first name to "Dick". And says his first and last name each time he introduces himself.
so yahoo gets paid. i want to get paid for the time i spent sifting through my inbox and hunting down spam filters.
-ninjaneer
Hello, this is Homer Simpson, a.k.a. Happy Dude. The court has ordered
me to call every person in town to apologize for my telemarketing scam.
I'm sorry. If you can find it in your heart to forgive me, send one
dollar to Sorry Dude, 742 Evergreen Terrace, Springfield. You have the
power.
And then the second one is, "nah, he's just faking it, trying to dodge the artillery rounds Yahoo sent his way. Once the storm blows over, he'll be selling V1@GR@ by the truckload again."
I'll believe his apology when he delivers it in person to everyone who ever got a spam e-mail. Maybe he should set up something like a book-signing tour where he sits at a table and people queue up to hear him say, "I'm sorry for being a horrible waste of human flesh, I mean a spammer."
-paul
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Wow, now I know how to get rich:
1) Setup massive spamming operation
2) Make millions
3) Get sued and settle for a mere six figures
4) Stop spamming operation
5) Tell world you going to help children
So within the scope of a year or two, everyone will forget how this man made his fortune, and revere him for his good works helping children.
Sounds a lot like the Carnegie Legacy
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After making a fortune off of annoying other people, he thinks that saying he's sorry is going to make us like him again. Maybe if he gives all his money to charity I'll feel better.
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Well, if a spammer can apologize, maybe, just maybe... nah.
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- Allowed me to act like a jackass, and get myself sued.
Yes, the internet is truly something to be feared.-Eric (aka Shit) Head.
Not for sarcasm impaired: I'm not actually Eric Head.
It's nothing but crumpled porno and Ayn Rand.
"Is that supposed to be a joke?"
I'd characterise the judgment as creative if not novel plea bargaining by a good lawyer.
If it helps, think of it as the Al Gore version of picking up trash from the side of a freeway. Personally, I'd rather see him picking up trash. Without the orange vest.
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I admin a small mail server and trap mail with spamassassin. On average we get about 100 spams per day for only 7 active email accounts.
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To check for false positives, I review all of the trapped mail from time to time, and I'm starting to get discusted with the whole spam thing. Here is some of the crap that I get:
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I'm also starting to get amused at how easy it is to identify spam with enough rules in spamassassin. These guys suck at sending mail.
I just can't believe that some people actually respond to some of the mails. The ones that get me are the mortage and loan ones. Who in their right mind would give all of their financial information to someone who randomly emails you with junk like this:
HellWo dear hom5ke oUwn5er,
We have b\eeQn notified that y<oiur mortgMage rate is fixed at a
vet6ry hoyigh interesNt rate. Therefore yhqou are current overpay[ing,
whick7h sumsRs-up to twhXo+usaEAnds of dollXLarws an5RnudPal0ly
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Where all of the urls are behind a yahoo redirector, and its barely legible from all of the obfuscation techniques?
Fuck spam specific laws, it just should be illegal to try to get money from someone under the pretense of deception. Clearly mails like this are deception, and its getting out of hand.
Yahoo (worried about Gmail stealing their email customers and looking for a sacrificial lamb to appease the email gods): "Bring us the head of Eric Head!!" Eric Head: "But I'm like, sorry, eh? I just want to play in a band and rock out about how i was a spamming hoser to little kids. How aboot it, eh?" Yahoo: "Ok. And you give us $100k." Eric Head: "Greedy americans..."
I get the impression this gentleman has made his fortune from his business and so can afford to apologize and shut down. Drummer in a rock band? It's a nice retirement hobby for a rich young lad.
From: Eric Head
To: asdf (you@yourdomain.com)
Subj: I'm sorry
I'm sorry about spamming you all these years. If you forgive me, send $1 to "Sorry Dude"
742 Evergreen Terrace
--Sorry Dude
Why is it that everyone has to apologise these days? If you are a serial murderer all people care about is that you have remorse. Who cares if the spammer apologised. As long as justice is done.
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Of course the Nigerian PM is still alive you dolt! He's the lousy bastard that put the screws on Mr (Formerly Colonel) M'buato (and his freedom fighters) and brought about the dire situation he's currently trying to escape. If it wasn't for the Nigerian PM my friend M'buato would be President M'buato and the Nigerian people would be living in peace free from oppression.
Once I've done my part to secure enough money to get the locked bank accounts transferred over here into my name THEN the Nigerian PM will meet his fate (once I get my 20% of course).
First I've heard of the Sultan being involved though. I need to email Mr. M'buato and check on that. He should know what to do...
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Too little, too late.
This won't reduce the amount of junk mail I get. Like music sharing, spamming will only go deeper underground now that it has become illegal (well, at least restricted). I will continue to get spam until the internet has advanced enough to allow me to reach out and stab spammers in the eye.
Am I the only one that read the last part of the article as "Let's hope others begin to take his head?" Now that would be an interesting (if overly cruel) approach for spammers. :^)
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Yeah, he sounds really sorry.. "I'm so sorry I got caught, uh, I mean I'm sorry I spammed you guys". I get 2K spam emails a day, and I'm sure this walking filth was able to buy himself some nice guitars, swanky rockstar swag, and perhaps even some meth with the proceeds from selling my email address over and over again.
Poor guy had to give up some fraction of his ill-gotten gains from spamming. I'd prefer extradition and I'd love to see this guy in the federal pen with a cellmate named Bubba who does to him what he's done to my email all these years.
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From: "Eric Head"
Subject: LEARN ABOUT THE DANGERS OF THE INTERNET
STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL & URGENT.
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I live in Soviet Canuckistan you insensitive clod!
Who's to say? It's hard to gauge sincerity from print.
I think it may just be a reality shift for a lot of these spammers. They all seem so indignant at first, when accused of being slimy Internet carpet-baggers. But on the other hand, people are always encouraged to seek fortune, and originally there were no rules, lots of money to be had, and old adages about opportunity knocking.
Once the money is rolling in, anyone would be tempted to rationalize their own business practice, even after being kicked off of relays, threatened with lawsuits, and having your iron pushed offshore. Once you're invested in something, it's hard to stop believing in it. That's why you see people go down kicking and screaming and come up contrite after a jury of peers schools them in the prevailing ethics.
Bottom line - not everyone is destined to be a repeat offender. Even if he toes the line for a while and doesn't buy it, maybe he'll educate consumers or discourage future spammers along the way, or maybe he'll start buying his own sermon.
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> Is that supposed to be a joke? Come on, what a cop out. I'm all for people reforming, but why does this sound so phoney? I give it 6 months before he's back at it again, probably based out of China or Russia.
You're an optimist.
The Rules Of Spam:
1) Spammers lie.
2) If a spammer seems to be telling the truth, see rule #1.
3) Spam is theft.
4) Most spammers are stupid.
5) The natural course of a spamming business is to go bankrupt.
Considering that a lawsuit from Yahoo was the motivation of his "apology", and that his apology lays the bullshit on thicker than even you said, to wit:
Not just "others", but the chilllllllldrun!
I'll see your six months and raise you three: I give him 90 days before he's spamming again, and place a side bet with 10:1 odds that as per Rule #4, the spam comes from hijacked PCs connected through a Yahoo! co-branded service such as SBC-Yahoo DSL.
Or so he says.
I'll believe it when I (don't) see it.
In other news, Hell dropped to a nippy -5 degrees Celcius. Wrap up warm kiddies.
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Rule #2: If a spammer seems to be telling the truth, see Rule #1.
From: http://bruce.pennypacker.org/spamrules.html
Get high profile spammers to send out bulk emails critical of the Church of Scientology, and watch them sue each other to death.
A quote from the article is "regret for any inconvenience he may have caused". He doesn't even admit that he _did_ cause inconvenience or even what he actually did.
This is the kind of non-apology that seems pretty common though. If you follow the words sorry with "if" or "may" or "might have", then it's not an apology.
Nowadays, public apologies usually translate into: "I'm sorry I was caught." and the persion attempts to quietly go back to whatever it was that he or she had to apologize for.
You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
No talk of restitution for all that stolen bandwidth, crashed servers, and wasted time. Yep, he's soooooo sorry he made a pile of money, and can now fritter away his days "playing" in a "band."
I'll be satisfied when everyone he's ever spammed gets to line up and slap him. He can opt out by writing to a postal address, which will be set up pretty soon.
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This is a bunch of crock. Compliance with that bogus law (the U-CAN-SPAM law) doesn't mean it isn't theft. This guy is obviously still thinking like a spammer.
No one should ever have to opt-out of anything they never opted-in to in the first place.
There are 28+ million businesses (from largest to smallest) in the US (and plenty more outside the US). If just 1 million of these businesses decided to send you just one mailing (that you didn't ask for) per year (and you don't even need to opt-out because they won't send another for a whole year), and assuming they send them evenly spread throughout the year, then you will be getting one every 31.556952 seconds on average (depending on what year it is). More likely, those mailings will come in bunches. Since you won't have to opt-out, you can just press "delete" over 2737 times a day, every day. That would be over 83 thousand pieces of mail a month (imagine what that would do to the typical $9.95 a month dialup internet account).
Now imagine if they all were giving you an opportunity to opt-out via their web site.
If we allow spamming to become the norm, then every business will end up having to do it to just keep an equivalent advantage. That could mean that 150 million internet users would each get spammed from 20 million businesses. That would be 3 quadrillion (that's 3000 trillion) pieces of useless mail overloading the internet mail server infrastructure.
now we need to go OSS in diesel cars
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Is it just me, or is there some kind of growing groundswell that seeks to destroy the Internet by incessantly talking up its 'dangers'? Why don't we see more stories about what makes it great?
Because fear sells.
People's desire to believe they are right is much stronger than their desire to be right.
Many Spammers don't realize what they are doing is wrong. They think of it as business just like any other form of marketing, and they don't or wont let themselves realize what they are doing is harmful and expensive to the wrong groups of people (potential customers). While Spam seems to bother most people only a small % complain about it. And the Spammers just pass them off as Extremist who hate anything dealing with capitalism. Often during the course of their lawsuit they begin to realize the damage they have done and the numbers of people it has affected.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
Did he give back/away all the money he made from spamming?
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One of the problems is that most spammers are not stupid. Now, they may be slime, they may be sociopaths, but stupid? Perhaps underestimating spammers in this way (which is common) is counterproductive to eliminating spam. And, virtually every CEO in this great country is more of a sleaze than most spammers, a much bigger leach on society. Are they too, "stupid"?
"Who are in control, they are not in control of anything - they don't even control themselves!" - Glen Beck
Annoying potential customers is something most spammers _do_ understand, but since they can make money with a 0.0001% success rate (or whatever), they're happy to let the other 49.9999% of the potential customers get their Herbal Fake Viagra from other sources - it's just a marketing niche choice, and different spammers may make different choices about how blatantly to lie and how flashy and annoying their ads can be based on real or imagined response rate.
During a lawsuit, some spammers may realize how much direct cost they've caused (because they may have to pay it, if they've got any money), and they may realize how many people are mad enough at them to sue them, and they may even begin to understand how many of the 9 billion email messages they sent went to duplicate addresses. But that's not the same as realizing the effects it has on the recipient, because you have to _care_ about the recipient, and sociopaths fundamentally don't care about other people.
On the other hand, some spammers do _begin_ to understand how spam recipients feel when they have to keep changing their phone numbers because of all the calls in the middle of the night asking them if they're unsatisfied about their penis size or whether they'd like a great deal on a mortgage on their new place in Siberia.
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i hope he sends us all a letter of apology to back up his words