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DNS Inventor Predicts Future of the Internet
afra242 writes "BBC News has an interesting article which discusses what Dr Paul Mockapetris, the creator of DNS, thinks about what the Internet will be in the near future. He states that currently, we are in the Bronze Age of the Internet and phones will be phased out completely, to be replaced by web addresses."
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Now, as head scientist and chairman of Nominum, a DNS management company, he has been reflecting on how the net has grown up.
The father of DNS and a scientist working at a DNS management company believes that everything will be controlled by a DNS-like system, absolutely unbelievable!
We have these things called bookmarks... People rarely remember web-addresses as it is. I know that entirely too many people believe their entire "Internet" is their homepage (while working for ATTBI during the @Home changeover I *personally* received several calls from concerned people that their Internet was gone and replaced by this "ATT BY" thing as their homepage had changed from home.excite.com to www.attbi.com). I would venture to say that most people get their information from a handful of sites and don't bother to remember much other than google.com or yahoo.com. I know that I get most of my information from a handful of remembered sites and I consider myself a bit more Internet savvy than the average user.
"It is quite possible that phone numbers will have disappeared and people will just use menus off their phone. I don't think there is particular value in having them."
He theorizes something that already exists! So instead of bookmarks for phone numbers we have these things called address books. You look up someone's name in there and you click on it. It dials. Absolutely brilliant. Thanks for showing us the way!
He's no longer a visionary. He's just pretending to be one. What he did for us changed the Internet from the start. This article on the other hand means nothing as it already exists in popular form.
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currently, we are in the Bronze Age of the Internet and phones will be phased out completely, to be replaced by web addresses
And web addresses will be replaced by? What after IPv6?
phones will be phased out completely, to be replaced by web addresses
That might seem a little overly ambitious, but phone service itself for sure will probably go to something all digital. I use Vonage right now and would never switch back. POTS is a last great holdout on the analog to digital conversion.
Of course there are still a good many other poor countries who have such a dated infrastructure that will insure that POTS sticks around a while.
Prediction 1: He wants web addresses to replace phone numbers.
Isn't this pretty much already happening now? With the advent of cell phones and even home phones that allow phone book storage, this already happens. There are people that don't even remember their HOME phone number because they always pull it from the menu on their cell phone, or use voice-activated dialing.
I'm not so sure I follow. Google has become so successful because of their search technology. With billions of webpages and websites, and probably even more billions of phone numbers, how is that going to help? It's still tough to find web addresses with easy to remember names these days. Atleast with Google it makes it much easier.
Prediction 2: Access for all, Security
Wasn't this already introduced a couple years ago? Since the advent of broadband, it has been the goal of changinging everything over to that and giving access to all. However, I think it's something that is going to happen a lot sooner than we think, thanks in part to wi-fi. Wi-fi is becoming increasingly popular with everyone these days from hotels, cafes, even in parks. Thankfully, he did point out that security needs to be tightened up before a lot of this goes mainstream.
Correct... This is more than likely going to be the next big explosion on the net (behind searching of course). But I just wish it would actually happen in the right order. Get the security practices down, then introduce access for all, but make sure they can understand it first.
Hmmm.
But seriously, isn't it already that way? I only know two phone numbers: my cellphone and my normal phone. If I want to call someone I just look up their name in my "phonebook" on my cell or phone and I click "call". So in some way we already have the thing he talks about. You could consider the phonebook function in modern phones as an equivalent to a local "hosts" file.
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I understand the thought of dumping phone number and mapping them names in the future. I just don't think DNS or DNS like directory is what is needed.
As of right now, I just share my contact list between my phone and my pda. I think the future is convergence. I'm waiting for the ideas to make my life simpler now.
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I think Vint Cerf had a similar article to this a few months back, which dealt with the difference between computing now and in the future. His main point was similar in that all communication will be IP based and that IPv6 will accomodate for those spaces. Another interesting point was that he stated that computers would no longer rely on human to computer interaction, but more computer to computer reaction.
Personally, I think companies are already doing similar things like Apple's XGRID.
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"Searching and finding people are certainly the two areas that still need to develop further, according to Dr Mockapetris, and replacing numbers with web addresses will help that, he says."
Everybody has a little key-holder with a fingerprint reader. Just let somebody push his finger to add him to your contacts. Furter information about the person is stored online.
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Lets think about this. This is the guy that saw the Internet (or what became the Internet) and decided that the one thing this wonderful new decentralized network needed was a highly centralized system for mapping host names to IP addresses - thus eventually creating all the problems we are now experiencing with ICANN?
And we should respect his opinion why?
..how everyone who ever had a hand in making the coffee that was drunk by the person who thought about submitting the RFC for anything vaguely related to the internet's inception seems to be lauded as some sort of oracle, all-knowing of all-things internet.
But this bloke does have some ideas. And did invent DNS. So I guess that makes it ok.
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Alot of the stuff you see on Sci-Fi usually end up influencing us in one way or another, when he said eliminating phones I think he meant more of regular phones you see today. either way, I wouldn't mind calling someone like this: votp://us.florida.1974.:12:12/crypticspawn
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From the article:
Although advanced countries are at the point where most people have net access in one form or another, much still needs to be done so that every man, woman and child on the planet has it all of the time, he says.
One of the things that struck me about the media coverage about the war on Afghanistan is just how poor and primitive the majority of the people on the planet have it. There are arguably about 1-2 billion people in the G8 countries. How many other countries have running water? Indoor plumbing? Electricity? Look at the goat farmers in the middle east. Do you really think that everyone is going to have web access anytime soon?
The idea that the entire world has our standard of living is simply false.
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VoIP anybody? Seriously, I would LOVE it if my broadband ISP was more like my phone company. for starters, I wouldn't have to pay an extra $25 just so I can get a friggin static IP. I mean, dynamic IP addys would disappear. ("hey, Jim, what's your phone number today?" "143.225.33.205 ... as long as my phone doesn't reboot.")
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Paper, snail mail, hiking boots and such will always exist as needed elements of human life. Thesse predictions are not only short sighted of how it deepens the gap between the have and have nots, but the driving forces in evolution of computer technology are Military and Gaming IMHO. The driving force in real world implementation is probably the online porn industry. And as always the prime force against most of what Dr. Mockapetris states is privacy concerns. Otherwise projects like this April Fools note would already be underway. Note that my information is just as scientific as his predictions :)
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If you have to call the goatse.cx guy, for goodness sake don't be looking at your cell phone screen when he answers.
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This is a step in the direction that I have been asserting (much to the chagrin of those who have to listen to my nerd-like ramblings) to all my friends and co-workers: "Soon, we will all be assigned IP addresses at birth". Now that, my friends, IS the future!
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" and phones will be phased out completely, to be replaced by web addresses."
Kinda funny that this article came up when it did. Just a couple of days ago I was looking for a cheap PocketPC/Palm that had built in wireless so I could use it for messaging at home and at work. I have fond hopes that it'll do voice chat one day.
To date, I haven't exactly phased out my phone. On the other hand, I rarely use it instead of ICQ or email to chat with my friends.
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"In the future, the Internet will be twice as fast, ten thousand times larger, and so expensive only the five richest kings in Europe will own it!"
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The problem is the form factor of the cell phone. Cell phones typically have a numeric keypad to keep the size reasonable. The easiest way to input a phone number is to enter numbers.
The biggest current trend is that everyone is switching to wireless phones. Most people don't want to carry around a phone large enough to contain a keyboard. Voice recognition works well only for words that are commonly used. For weird IP addresses, you would have to say each letter one at a time.
Imagine you meet somebody. You want to store his/her phone number your phone book on your cell phone. Which is easier? Typing 820-833-5214 or typing a 16 letter word into your 10 button keypad?
So, we'll replace all this with web addresses so that if a big DNS host goes down like it did last week, then nothing will work.
GREAT!!
Maybe he is just predicting the future he wants, so that people will remember his name without having to say " - the inventor of DNS"
Anyone remember when they used words for the first couple letters of a given phone number?
So going to web addresses from digit-based phone numbers would actually have a retro flair to it, after a fashion...
I only R part of TFA, but I noticed this quote immediately. This doesn't seem like much of an insight to me. Of course we'll look back on it and laugh, isn't that how it always goes? We used to drive covered wagons pulled by horses on dirt roads. It's quaint now, but back then they were at the edge of technology. All (er... most) of us here know that the network infrastructure is weak and likely won't carry us much further in its existing state, but rest assured, we'll get there. One step at a time, that's the way it's always been.
You know, after reading this something is pretty clear to me. I hate technology, in its current state.
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When I'm in a face to face conversation, and one of my buddies 'Jim' says "just drop me an email", I cringe. Let's see... I've got only one email address listed under 'Jim' in my handheld's address book. Was that his home email, or his work email, or his personal-but-I-can-read-this-at-work email? Damn, I don't remember, and my handheld's software didn't provide space to make such a note.
Okay, I'll give him a call and ask... no, that's his home number.. where is his cell phone number? Crap, doesn't matter... no cell phone signal. Fine, I'll just wait until I get home...
Okay, my home address book has what I need... I send off that email. Now I wait two days for him to reply. With three email addresses, you can't expect 'Jim' to check them all constantly, right?
So two days later, 'Jim' replies... but I didn't see the message. I accidentally deleted it, instead of an advertisement for Cia.lis that was one line down.
I'll call 'Jim', and see why he hasn't written me back. Hmm, his phone service tells me that 'all circuits are currently occupied'. I'm sorry, but what the hell is that supposed to mean?
Oh, ok now his phone is ringing... hmm, poor connection, I can barely understand him. Jim says he replied to me... hmmm...
Oh, there it is, in my deleted messages folder. Ahh, but my email server stripped off the attachment, fearing that zip file of fake Olsen twin porn he sent me was a virus.
I give up.
As self-serving as it might seem (the creator of DNS, who works for a DNS company, is pitching DNS as a cure-all solution), maybe he has the right idea. Let's face it, the DNS system works. And it works well enough that there is just one of them in use. You don't hear "oh, you can't get to my website, because you are using the wrong DNS system."
A single, elegant system for uniquely identifying a human being, and then routing all communications to them (phone calls, emails, instant messages), independant of the devices being used to communicate, would be great. I, for one, would welcome that.
Obviously, though, the physical and socal infrastructure is not there yet (spotty cell phone coverage, unsolicited calls and emails, unproductive business competition). We've got a long way to go.
Not really. Many people in the world are certainly very poor (though I'm still not sure if they've got it as bad as those living 2000 years ago), but modern technology has an influence even in the poorest countries. WHO vaccines for polio, malaria etc have reached even the most godforsaken countries of Africa, resulting in a considerable increase (something close to doubling, IIRC) in life expectancy in poor countries over the past hundred years. Poor people also often have access to modern materials to build their shacks, modern crossbred seeds for their little farms, etc. Of course, the influence of technology is not entirely positive --- it would be better if the warlords didn't have machine guns --- but I'm just saying that comparing today's poor countries with the Bronze Age isn't accurate.
What good is ubiquitous Internet connectivity to a people that are comparatively primitive?
It does sound silly at first sight to give wireless Internet access to people in abject poverty, but I think it would actually do them a lot of good. Imagine if we could distribute cheap Internet access stations to the poor --- they would have instant access to a giant wealth of information and education. Many people in poor countries have not had any primary education, and don't even know things that we consider incredibly basic and obvious. For example, they might not know that boiling water helps to kill germs and prevent disease, or that sex communicates AIDS. One of the most popular and important books in the world is a little UN booklet distributed in Africa that explains such basic concepts (I don't remember what it was called); it's been said that that booklet has saved thousands of lives.
The Internet would also help them to read about such things as politics and democracy, which would help reform the bad regimes in the poor parts of the world (which are a primary cause of poverty). Finally, better communication systems would assist them with making their own businesses. I think that one of the best things we can do for the poor is to provide them with access to more information.
isn't part of the people that use technology already on route to working without phones, but using the internet instead to stay in contact?
this might be becouse all my fellow students are IT students to, but when we arent face to face, we use instant messengers allot, where other people would use phones.
and most of us have only 1 or 2 e-mail adresses that they regulary check (and a few extra for the spam), but when we send a message, we know that we will either have a repply within minutes (when using IM) or within a day or 2 (when using mail).
with phones, the other person needs to be close to that phone to get a responce... with IM, you can send a message now and read the repply later...
All indicators show that the human race is selectively breeding itself for stupidity.
While Dr. Mockapetris believes that de-numberizing the way we remember/contact people is the way of the future, I believe this does nothing to further help the much needed cause of finding people, places, things. THAT, I believe, is the way of the future, and "doing away with phone numbers" simply does not help that.
"It is quite possible that phone numbers will have disappeared and people will just use menus off their phone. I don't think there is particular value in having them."
Did he forget what his DNS is even based on? no matter how many layers of indirection he places on top of the current system, you can't replace the fact that people need to be identified uniquely in one way or another. If he believes a person can be remembered more easily by myphone@whatever.com (or whatever other convention he uses other than phone numbers) he still misses the point on how we obtain these names/numbers in the first place.
When reading this article, i've tried to forget the fact that he has his own DNS management company now, yet his inisistence on building an "alternative" phone-numbering infrastructure and using his clout of being "the father of DNS" only hints that he really has no new "vision" of the future and is trying to profit on whatever soon-to-be-outdated technology he happened to invent.
DNS certainly helped the internet grow enourmously.. but if you think about it now, its really not needed as much any more other than advertising.
Alternative forms of gathering your bookmarks/phone contacts/unknowns is the future.
They claimed that they would be MORE IMPORTANT than DNS, and that getting the right "RealName" was key to having a successful website. They kept coming around to my employer at the time (a Big Media company) trying to convince them to pay top $$$ for RealName keywords before "someone else" did.
Thankfully, they went out of business, and DNS is still here!
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> He states that currently, we are in the Bronze Age of the Internet
We are? Well, *somebody* needs to pony up 1000 food and 800 gold to get us into the Iron Age. I wanna build a Wonder, here!
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they would have instant access to a giant wealth of information and education.
"OK. Now we're going to learn how to properly prepare food. Could you take that out of your mouth? Thats you mouse. Mouse. See, you just move your cursor, cursor, here and... well... let me just do that for you. See, we're going to use this browser, browser, and go to Google. G-O-O-G-L-E. Its a search... No... Take that out of your mouth, please. Right. Mouse. Thats your mouse... Ah, screw this."
We already have a lot of younger people who (from what I have read anyway) can't read an analog clock or write cursive easily. Digital clocks and representations are the norm, along with only reading text and typing more than writing. I also think-can't prove it but think-that calculators are making the ability to do simple math with pencil and paper a lost art as well in the general population.
I can remember when the teachers made us turn in our slide rules before tests.
Man, I wish I still had mine, along with the leather holster. It was sort of the geek badge around school, even moreso than a pocket protector (had one of those, too). You had to have a mechanical pencil for drafting, a black warrior #2 for math and taking notes, and a black ink pen for taking tests (so you couldn't change your answer). You could use blue for taking notes if you wanted to. Written papers had to be either legible cursive, or typed, double spaced, with correct punctuation and paragraphing. Form/appearance and content were equally graded, because it was explained this was important later on in the academic and business world.
Good and bad. I wonder what bits of technology I would give up to have a simpler and politer society. Back then we didn't have school massacres, the kids weren't forced drugged (or voluntarily drugged), we didn't have JBT "officers" roaming the halls, no one cared if you carried a gun to school and put it in your locker for target practice or hunting after school, and you just didn't see teachers scared like they apparently are now. Any "acting up" in class got swift retribution, it didn't de-evolve into focus group studies and child protective services seizing the kids or any of that nonsense, and the parents went along with it, granting parental like priveleges to the teachers as a default while the kids were in school. You acted decent and within some normal bounds of politness and respect, or ya got it, usually a sneaker wrapped with tape or a paddle. I think I got it three times total my entire grade school career, near as I can recall, most likely deserved I might add.
Nowadays the kid acting up would be drugged with some sort of speed and downers mixed most likely,because he obviously must be suffering from a plethora of long named psychological "conditions", then have a life-long record, the teacher would get suspended and incarcerated as a terrorist, and the kid might be taken from his parents and put in some pervo scam foster care money mill.
Times change.
What would I swap??--hmm, big screen sensurround plasma TVs for a start, to get that innocence back.
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When I read the title of the submission, I thought that there might be some unique incite into the future of the internet, but this article was exremely lacking. The only real prediction that he makes is that all voice calls will be routed over the internet. I guess that is an easy prediction with all of the working in VOIP. However, I was hoping he would have something more interesting to say, not simply just saying that there is a lot more room for innovation.
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Interesting. On a whim, I scrolled back the /. calendar 6 years: 1998-06-23.
The headlines were instantly familiar: Linux will rule the world! Star Wars! Oh, and Debian 2.0.
Check it out, it's pretty interesting.
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I don't think DNS is the answer.
The problem with DNS is this: No "fuzzy" matching. DNS does not have Google's ability to spell-check names. SO, yes, DNS is good for making things a little easier to remember, but other technology should be used for things like voice matching, etc.
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Sort of like national identity or tax numbers; get a URL at birth to last you your life. If only the system would change every few years ...
I don't know about this, but having an algorithmic mapping between phone numbers and IP addresses (prolly IPv6) seems sensible. That way, all the communications technology can converge on a single nomenclature for addressing endpoints. At least this way, DNS becoms the equivalant of a phone directory, put in name to get the IP address/phone number or visa versa.
Come to think about it, the same could be said for street addresses. Probably want to wait for IPv8 or IPv12 or something like that before that made sense though.
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I was lucky to have Paul Mockapetris as a professor in the early 80's before the widespread use of networks (UUCP was hot stuff at that point in time.)
One of the things I remember most, was his acronym for the OSI model: "All Professors Should Teach Networking Like Paul" so your could remember this. Of course, a lot has changed since then, but I was lucky to get a head start on it all -- thanks Paul!
Another cool thing about this class was that Marshall Rose was a fellow student. He's written a few RFCs since then.
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I think you fail to understand the kind of shift that will happen when international dialing codes and area codes simply go away. When you can rely on underlying systems like DynDNS married to a directory system that will allow you to plug a SIP phone anywhere, get a DHCP address - register to a directory server - and start taking calls immediately. Or what will happen when cellular providers go IP behind the scenes.
His insight that Domain Naming services tie it all together is quite important. Despite what you think.
You may very well be correct. That is one approach to locating services on the internet: Know the name of the service a priori. Curiously, it is also precisely the approach that Microsoft took with Active Directory.
There are other approaches, however. The world's oldest and largest directory provider, Novell, bet the farm on the Service Location Protocl, or SLP. Sun & IBM are also very prominent in the SLP community [as well as the closely aligned Project Liberty initiative].
Bottom line: There are multiple, competing approaches to the problem of finding resources on the internet. Heck, when you get right down to it, there's nothing wrong with the old Altavista PeopleSearch. Over time, one of these initiatives will win the greatest market share, and all of the survivors will almost certainly become "compatible" to some extent or another. And it may very well be that Microsoft's approach [DynDNS in conjunction with Kerberos] will be the winner. But there's been an awful lot of resistance to Redmond thus far, and their Passport initiative has, to date, been just shy of an utter and complete disaster.
However, there are two enormous stumbling blocks to further adoption of DNS: Classically, it is an unencrypted protocol with no proper sense of authentication whatsoever. If it is to move forward, the industry will have to move towards encrypted, authenticatible versions of it.
The second stumbling block is much more ominous, however: Against what database [i.e. directory] is DNS to be authenticated? Who will hold the master keys to the server-side authentication and who will hold the master keys to the client-side authentication? Once you require authentication, you give up every ounce of your anonymity on the internet. [Obviously Project Liberty suffers from the same fundamental flaw.] Once you lose anonymity, Big Brother knows who you are, where you are, and precisely what you are doing for the remainder of your life on the web.
Now you could argue that the telecomms already have that power over you when it comes to classical POTS, and that a court order [or "warrant"] is required for the telecomms to release your telephone dialing history, but in all truth: How many times have you used classical POTS to post a political tirade anonymously on a web bulletin board? Or download some pr0n, or place an off-shore bet on a sports team, or purchase a nice Mosel riesling from Wine Commune?