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New IE Malware Captures Passwords Ahead Of SSL

Ken Treis writes "SANS Internet Storm Center is reporting on a new strain of IE Malware. This one targets bank customers, which in itself is nothing new. But the catch is in the way it does it: it installs a Browser Help Object (BHO) that can capture login information before it is encrypted, and 'watches for HTTPS (secure) access to URLs of several dozen banking and financial sites in multiple countries.'."

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  1. Coming events by Carnildo · · Score: 5, Funny

    Cue the "Gee I'm glad I use FireFox on Linux" posts.

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    1. Re:Coming events by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Gee I'm glad I use FireFox on Linux.

    2. Re:Coming events by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Gee I'm glad I use FireFox on Linux!
      Except when I'm at work...

      I've got no choice at the office. So should I just stop doing online banking at work because the computers happen to use the most popular operating system and browser in the world?

      It does seem surprising that this hasn't been done before.

    3. Re:Coming events by oGMo · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Cue the "Gee I'm glad I use FireFox on Linux" posts.

      Gee, I'm glad I use Firefox on Linux. And why the hell shouldn't I be? In addition to actually supporting standards (CSS anyone?), my decision is constantly reaffirmed by exploints such as these. Do you have a problem with that? (Actually I use Mozilla, but close enough.)

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      Don't think of it as a flame---it's more like an argument that does 3d6 fire damage

    4. Re:Coming events by foidulus · · Score: 4, Funny

      Nah, I'll stick to lynx running on my gamecube, the only way to surf!

    5. Re:Coming events by pacc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, but the only site still forcing me to use IE is my local bank...

    6. Re:Coming events by IsaacW · · Score: 5, Insightful
      So should I just stop doing online banking at work because the computers happen to use the most popular operating system and browser in the world?
      Nope, you should just be smart about your office desktop's security settings and perhaps even use the browser-help-object (BHO) listing tool noted in the linked article: http://www.definitivesolutions.com/bhodemon.htm. I just checked my desktop, and it wasn't infected; so I'll still do banking online and continue to be wary of security issues.
    7. Re:Coming events by karniv0re · · Score: 5, Funny

      You just wait, mister, until enough people start using Lynx. Then they'll start coding malware for Lynx. Just think! Pop-ups, Homepage changing... You might even get browser-hijacked to porn sights!

    8. Re:Coming events by Ironica · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, but the only site still forcing me to use IE is my local bank...

      1) Complain, if you haven't already... some web commerce site (can't remember which, but it was a big one) had a bug where it didn't recognize Mozilla as a sufficiently high version of Netscape. I feedbacked it, they responded with a NON-CANNED thank you within 24 hours, and it was fixed by the time I used the site again three days later.

      2) Have you tried fooling the site by sending different authentication? Mozilla can just *tell* the site it's IE. Unless they're doing something very stupid like using ActiveX, that may work just fine. (If they are using ActiveX, switch banks. Seriously.)

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    9. Re:Coming events by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'd agree with you, except my banks aren't supporting standards, and don't work with standards-compliant browsers.

      Mine does. Switch to a different bank. Market forces will take care of the rest.

    10. Re:Coming events by dirvish · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What does Linux have to do with it? I use FireFox on Windows and I am still not vulnerable to this.

    11. Re:Coming events by msoftsucks · · Score: 5, Informative

      No need. Your can run Firefox from removable media. Just get yourself a USB memory stick or USB micro drive, and follow the installation instructions.

      Do this for a few power users, and within a very short time, the IE-only requirement goes away pretty fast.

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      Quit playing Monopoly with Bill.
      Linux - of the people, by the people, and for the people.
    12. Re:Coming events by sentientbeing · · Score: 5, Funny


      Gee im glad im continously overdrawn and therefore have no money whatsover in my bank account...

      the last time i asked for money at the bank they knocked me back.

      "Fine!" I said, im taking my minus 1500 elsewhere...."

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    13. Re:Coming events by Too+Much+Noise · · Score: 3, Interesting

      erm ... this says the html is not valid 4.01. Also, the w3c css validator complains rather heavily on it. So much for standard support ^_^

    14. Re:Coming events by freakmn · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm glad I use AOL on Windows ME!

      If I actually did, I think I would puke...

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      warning: This post is likely to contain gobs of dripping sarcasm. Consume at your own risk.
    15. Re:Coming events by bwt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How can an attacker "easily install a Mozilla extension?", exactly. If you are talking about somebody who has rooted your box, then they can already log all your keystrokes regardless of what browser you use. If you are talking about somebody writing browser malware, it's a big problem if a web page can install extensions without your approval. I've never heard of such an exploit for mozilla (lots for IE, though).

      You are also asserting that a mozilla extension can access the cleartext typed into a login box by "parsing the DOM before navigation begins". It's not clear to me that this is true. If it is, I think it should be considered a security hole. Mozilla should sandbox that text and use protected memory, etc...

    16. Re:Coming events by 955301 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're a fool for using your office computer to do online banking. Haven't you ever heard of a keycatcher?

      Keep in mind, you cannot trust a computer which you cannot restrict physical access to. Period.

      No personal stuff on the office computer. Not because the company want it that way, but because you do, whether you know it or not.

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      You are checking your backups, aren't you?
    17. Re:Coming events by Phexro · · Score: 4, Funny

      True, but they are testing with "Mozilla 5."

      Since Mozilla just hit 1.7, this webpage must have fallen backwards in time through a freak wormhole.

      If you look in the comments, it also mentions something about IE developers being "the first up against the wall when the revolution came."

    18. Re:Coming events by Phexro · · Score: 4, Informative

      You will, however, notice that many of the bugs mentioned there are fairly trivial, and (as of Firefox 0.8) several of them appear to be fixed now.

      It's not anything like IE's bugginess and incomplete support. You don't see freak bugs like IE's margin-doubling. IE also lacks support for :hover, position: fixed, and has many other bugs and omissions.

      And the fact is, no browser supports all of CSS2. Mozilla (Gecko) has much better support than most browsers, and they are constantly improving it's rendering. Compare that with the stagnation of IE's development over the last several years.

    19. Re:Coming events by blair1q · · Score: 4, Funny

      $ telnet www.slashdot.org 80
      it's the only way to fly
    20. Re:Coming events by AstroDrabb · · Score: 5, Interesting
      No offence, but I think that is a poor attitude. One opinion can make a difference, though there are no guarantees. For example, about 1 year ago, I was having problems with online banking for my bank. The site sucked and said you need/should use IE. I keep a long list of links to IE/Windows holes, exploits etc. I wrote up a very good technical email with links to all the problems with IE. I basically asked my bank why would they force me to use the most insecure web browsers to do transactions that are so important to me and their business. Not too long after that the site now works great in Mozilla/Firefox. Now I don't know if those changes were because of me or because other users complianed or the bank IT dept figured it out on thier own, but the changes happened. I also put in the email that I would take my money to a competitor that does have a standars compliant site.

      And if your bank does not change. Then you change. Take your money to a different bank. It may be a little bit of a pain to have to do that, but that is the only power we have left as consumers, so exercise it.

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      If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land,
      it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. -James Madison
    21. Re:Coming events by Lispy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      My bank changed it too. I called phone support and after a week or so I was suddenly able to surf to the page with mozilla. Half a year later they relaunched their page and got rid of the Java crap they have been using before. Actually, when I called lately and they told me about another update I asked again and they replied "Of course we will support Mozilla, we wouldn't be so stupid to annoy many of our customers!" It seems that their IT is at least aware that there are other browsers out there.

      FYI: It was this german bank.

    22. Re:Coming events by mangu · · Score: 4, Funny

      Oh, now I know where the ASCII-art goatse came from!

    23. Re:Coming events by omglolbah · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Or, get a *real* ebanking system...

      I live in norway and most net-banks here use both your "birth-number" *and* a "securitycard" to generate a key.

      The key generated by the securitycard is never the same, and you need a 4 digit pin-code to even get it to generate a code. You type in the first 6 digits and hit "log in" and on the screen you get the last 2 digits, if these match with the ones on your "securitycard" you can be resonable sure that you are really talking with your bank.

      Sniffing the password etc wont help you one bit, since it will only be active for a few minutes. After that, you need a new number to log in.

      Steal the card? I would just call my bank and they would issue a new one, and put the other on the "watch list" someone try to log on with it: ups, their IP is logged and you have a trail for the police ;)

      Another great thing about this way of doing it is that you can access your netbank anywhere and within a few minutes, any information logged by a keycatcher is invalid.

    24. Re:Coming events by DarkHelmet · · Score: 4, Funny

      Port 80? Amateur! Try it on 443 :)

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    25. Re:Coming events by zsau · · Score: 3, Funny
      Have you not heard of the exploit in Firefox that causes the launch of Internet Explorer? If you, like me, run a Linuxbox, you won't have a problem with it because no matter how hard it tries, there's simply no IE to launch. Once IE is launched, the system is just as vulnerable as if IE was used in the first place!

      I read about the exploit here on Slashdot a few days ago, so obviously it's reliable. It doesn't use Javascript so disabling that won't help. IIRC, the code that causes it is something along the lines of:
      <b>This page is designed for Internet Explorer, and will not work on other browsers. Please use Internet Explorer.</b>
      There is no known fix for this exploit! (Other than removing Windows from your system.)
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    26. Re:Coming events by DissidentHere · · Score: 3, Interesting

      A relevant side comment; banks are generally very concerned about security, online and in general. This is because it is a liablity for them. I work in the banking industry in fraud detection and prevention, and its big business. In the US at least, the consumer is only liable for the first $50 in a case of check card fraud, credit card companies are liable for the whole thing. I've had my work slow to a crawl because a bank's IT dept blocked _all_ attachements during a worm outbreak, I've FedExed CDs with 2 10K files because no one knew when attachments would be allowed again.

      Speaking up really could make a difference, especially if you can get in touch with a techie. He/she can then go to the PHB with some ammo that consumers demand compatibility with more secure browsers such as Mozilla/Safari/Opera etc. (He/she already demanded this compatibility, but you know PHBs).

      I'd not be the least bit surprised if the banking industry became a major driver in getting users to switch away from IE. Online fraud losses are creeping up on more traditional fraud s.a. check fraud. Add in the liability if consumer data gets out on the net and banks may begin to _only_ support non-IE browsers. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but someday, an IE hole is going to blow so big banks won't want thier customers on it because of the liability concern. At least this what the IT and loss prevention people would prefer.

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    27. Re:Coming events by plover · · Score: 3, Interesting
      A keykatcher(tm) is a piece of hardware that the bad guy (or your employer) sticks between your keyboard and your PC.

      Knoppix, Linux, DOS, OS/2 -- the OS doesn't matter. The keykatcher is hardware dongle-like thing, looks like an elongated keyboard plug. And all it does is keeps the last 65K of keystrokes you've typed.

      You can download it to a floppy without removing it from the PC (if you're running Windows) or you can remove it, download it to a different PC and replace it later. Or, you can remove it, download it to a different PC, and then place it on the next guy's keyboard.

      So, the truly paranoid person now has to cut-n-paste bits of their password with the mouse, and hope the bad guys haven't installed Back Orifice.

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      John
  2. I'm suprised by cbrocious · · Score: 5, Insightful

    that this hasn't happened earlier. Why would you fsck with SSL when you can bypass it completely?

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    1. Re:I'm suprised by NanoGator · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Why would you fsck with SSL..."

      Because there are no files to check, just packets?

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      "Derp de derp."
  3. And this... by DaHat · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is why I transmit all of my passwords in plain text... not very secure, but a lot less obvious then all of these complicated 'security' or 'encryption' methods.

  4. SF article by savagedome · · Score: 5, Informative

    SF has an article regarding this.
    Gates Defends Microsoft Patch Efforts

    1. Re:SF article by finkployd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Still, speaking at a press conference here Monday, Gates told journalists that Microsoft's patching process compares well with competitors'. "You know, the time -- the average time -- to fix on an operating system other than Windows is typically ninety to a hundred days," said Gates.

      (1) what planet is he living on?

      (2) Isn't that an awfully narrow range? Nothing like being specific with the bull you spew.

      Is it just me or has Gates becoming more and more "out there" lately? Is he even following the computer industry anymore?

      Finkployd

  5. Re:Can someone explain... by gr33nlantern · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, personally, i agree with you. Internet Explorer is far inferior to a lot of the other browsers out there.. The thing is that it's bundled with windows, and most people out there quite frankly aren't very computer literate, and more than 1/2 I would bet don't even know other web browsers exist. True, no? Any comments to that?

  6. one word by WormholeFiend · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "laziness"

    1. Re:one word by joeljkp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not really. Lack of enough interest is the root of ignorance. I'm ignorant of much of quantum physics, because I have other things to do and don't really have the interest or the time to research it.

      Doesn't mean I'm lazy. Nobody can not be ignorant of something.

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  7. usually a good idea by dtfinch · · Score: 5, Informative

    To uncheck the "enable third party browser extensions" box in your Internet Explorer properties, if you must use Internet Explorer. This fixes most of the Internet Explorer problems that people ever experience and blame on Microsoft.

    There is the slight problem that malware can silently reenable it when they run, but I doubt many do.

    1. Re:usually a good idea by duslow · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What people blame Microsoft for is leaving that option on by default. Most users wouldn't even know what that means much less have the sense to uncheck it.

    2. Re:usually a good idea by DunbarTheInept · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And furthermore, even if they do know what it means and have the sense to turn it off, they have to have the intuition to look at that dialog panel to even be aware that such a thing exists. When you first run a program, is the first thing you do to go around looking at all the various File|Preferences and Tools|Options panels, and look over every single tab searching for stupid settings under the assumption that the defaults will be dangerous to use? Probably not.

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  8. HA! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is why I do all my online banking using Gopher.

  9. grr.. typo above by Theatetus · · Score: 3, Informative

    That query is for "refestldt.com" and I stupidly typed "reflestldt.com" after "domain name". The whois info is accurate, just not what I typed there.

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  10. I love IE by Admiral+Llama · · Score: 3, Funny

    This isn't Malware, this is advertising for Apple. THIS is why I buy Macintoshes.

    1. Re:I love IE by Peter+Cooper · · Score: 3, Informative

      How is an IE exploit an advertisment for Apple? Dos this specific problem not exist in IE for Macs?

      Uh, no. An Apple Mac couldn't run the executable, it uses a different family of CPU. Even if it could, IE's browser share on Mac OS X is very low.

  11. Because... by Draconix · · Score: 5, Funny

    What's a browser? Is that like Internet Explorer? But why do I need another one when I already have Internet Explorer? Don't I have to use Internet Explorer to connect to the internet?

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    1. Re:Because... by I+confirm+I'm+not+a · · Score: 4, Funny

      Don't I have to use Internet Explorer to connect to the internet?

      Whoa! Hold right up there, coyboy! You're telling me there's a difference?

      (Sure it's not necessary but...just in case..."proud Firefox user since 0.6!")

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    2. Re:Because... by cbovasso · · Score: 3, Funny

      Wait... Isn't AOL the internet?
      Now Im confused.

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      I ask for a car and I get a computer. How's about that for being born under a bad .sig?
  12. Re:Can someone explain... by The+Fanta+Menace · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Primarily cos they just use the first thing that is in front of their face.

    One small step towards fixing this is to be involved as much as possible with all new computer installations.

    Your mum is getting a new computer? Go in there and set it up for her. Put mozilla and firefox on the desktop, show her how to use them, and remove all the IE icons. She won't know any better and you can rest easy knowing there's less chance your inheritance is going to disappear from her bank account.

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  13. Because it isn't so clear cut by SimianOverlord · · Score: 5, Insightful


    For the non-power user IE *IS* preferable. I came to this conclusion after trying several times to get friends and family to migrate to Firefox from Explorer. Even when I did all the grunt work, installing and setting up the browser and explained the benefits to them, they all went back to IE.

    IE has enough features for them to deal with. They don't need the fancy "bells and whistles" of Mozilla, in fact they didn't even use the extra features. IE has the Microsoft look and feel they are used to. It's free, it's preinstalled, so they get used to the feel of it from the outset and don't have to download and install, a task many find daunting. And as most of the extra functionality Firefox has over IE comes from extensions, which they can't even work out anyway, then it seems pointless for me to try to force them to use it.

    I don't blame most users for using IE. For them it is "good enough". I see a lot of snobbishness on this site, and maybe some of it is fair enough. I also see a lot of silly arguments with extrapolation from a small sample set "My sister uses Mozilla all the time now!" to big conclusions. As a scientist, I know enough not to make those errors. Anyway I just wanted to say most users don't need Firefox despite what you might read. I guess this is pretty obvious, it accounts for a fraction of 1% of browser usage after all.

    For the average user, using Mozilla is like using a 4x4 to go shopping. It is needed one time in a million, and the rest of the time it is woefully underused.

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    1. Re:Because it isn't so clear cut by saintp · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Bah! If the average user doesn't need all these extensions, explain the popularity of all of the various toolbars, extensions, and pop-up blockers for IE. When I'm trying to proselytize, I don't explain that Opera has mouse gestures and tabbed browsing; that interests me, but not them. I explain that it has native, intelligent pop-up blocking. That gets people interested.

      IE is not just woefully inadequate for power users. It's woefully inadequate for anyone who wants a reasonable (not to mention decent!) Internet experience.

      It's only "good enough" as long as people don't know about alternatives. Then the immediately start downloading extensions to IE -- extensions that you and I know come standard with a real modern browser.

    2. Re:Because it isn't so clear cut by Ironica · · Score: 4, Interesting

      For the non-power user IE *IS* preferable.

      The non-power user is most vulnerable to the security flaws IE is famous for. They are less likely to notice if something is downloaded to them without consent, and less likely to be able to fix it if it is.

      I came to this conclusion after trying several times to get friends and family to migrate to Firefox from Explorer. Even when I did all the grunt work, installing and setting up the browser and explained the benefits to them, they all went back to IE.

      There's two things I tell/show people about Mozilla when I install it (waiting for 1.0 to start giving out Firefox):

      - Look, tabbed browsing. [perform Google search on something they find interesting. Middle-click on a lot of links.] Shiny!

      - Look, no pop-ups. This is the big winner.

      Oh, yeah, it's more secure, yadda yadda... but those are the two functions that the average person is going to find most beneficial. They may not pick up tabbed browsing, but they sure will appreciate built-in by-default popup blocking.

      It may take some persistence. Every time they call you for help, walk them through like they're using Mozilla. If they're not using Mozilla, tell them to use it instead.

      IE has enough features for them to deal with. They don't need the fancy "bells and whistles" of Mozilla, in fact they didn't even use the extra features. IE has the Microsoft look and feel they are used to. It's free, it's preinstalled, so they get used to the feel of it from the outset and don't have to download and install, a task many find daunting. And as most of the extra functionality Firefox has over IE comes from extensions, which they can't even work out anyway, then it seems pointless for me to try to force them to use it.

      My mom called me last week, when my phone battery was almost dead. Thankfully, it was a short conversation, because it went like this:

      "I heard that there's this new web exploit that MS doesn't have a patch for, but it's ok if you update your antivirus. So if I just update Norton I'll be fine?"

      "Are you using IE?"

      "No."

      "Go ahead and update Norton anyway, but you can only get the virus if you're using IE. Keep using Mozilla and you'll be fine."

      [bee-oop, bee-oop, bee-oop, phone goes dead]

      The last few months of retraining her to think of Mozilla as her default browser have paid off. Yay!

      For the average user, using Mozilla is like using a 4x4 to go shopping. It is needed one time in a million, and the rest of the time it is woefully underused.

      You could say the same about IE. Most of the security flaws come from having built-in functionality that is only useful in some very esoteric intranet environments, and has no business on the public web. The whole "Trusted Sites," "Internet Zone," etc. thing is WAY more complicated than it should be, and defaults to settings that aren't safe, so you do have to go in there and change things if you want a somewhat secure browsing experience.

      In Mozilla, the preferences are very clearly organized, with only a few things on any one screen. Makes it far easier for me to walk someone through changing something, and easier for the novice to find it themselves. The explanations are a lot more useful, too.

      To go with the car analogy, using IE is like using the company fleet's Ford Taurus with no right-hand wing mirror or air bags, because it's closer at hand than your Honda Civic Hybrid. In my opinion, anyway.

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  14. Can someone refer me to a useful BHO? by curtisk · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Anytime I hear of BHO's its always malware/spyware/adware...so when is it used for good? Seriously....

    Stuff like the google search bar? Does that count?

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    Sehr geehrter Toilettenbenutzer!

    1. Re:Can someone refer me to a useful BHO? by JavaLord · · Score: 3, Informative

      Anytime I hear of BHO's its always malware/spyware/adware...so when is it used for good? Seriously....

      It's used for adobe acrobats PDF plug in for IE. I turn all of them off on my computer using BHO Demon

    2. Re:Can someone refer me to a useful BHO? by Paladine97 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I wrote a BHO to help me leech pr0n. You know those websites that have a big table of thumbnails and each thumbnail is a link to the real picture? Well I wrote a BHO which would enumerate all links that pointed to pictures and then download them. It was smart and inserted the Referer tag so that it would download correctly. It's a sweet BHO if you ask me.

    3. Re:Can someone refer me to a useful BHO? by Paladine97 · · Score: 4, Informative

      TO ALL YOU PR0N WANTERS :

      I will upload the project tonight for your downloading pleasures. And yes, of course it's GPL! Well actually it doesn't really have any licenses yet, so it will probably end up being GPL or BSD.

  15. New Genre by the_mad_poster · · Score: 3, Funny

    You know you really have something going for you when a single application in your product line helps defines it own genre of exploits:

    ...the adware/spyware/IE exploit genre...

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  16. The fellow in the article... by tcopeland · · Score: 5, Informative

    ....who figured out how it worked (i.e., Browser Handler Object, HTTP POST of stolen account info to a site) is Tom Liston of Hackbusters. He's been sorting through this kind of thing for a while...

  17. Open Source compressor used: by geeber · · Score: 4, Funny

    From the article:

    It is actually a 27648 byte Win32 executable that has been compressed using the Open Source executable compressor UPX.

    Cue the FUD saying "look I told you Open Source was inherently less secure!"

  18. And the wave of IE abandonment begins... by Billy+the+Mountain · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I read this article in the Houston Chronicle this morning: Flaws may mean it's time to drop Microsoft browser. It's beginning to look like there's a ton of exploitable stuff in IE.

    BTM

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    That was the turning point of my life--I went from negative zero to positive zero.
  19. What, exactly, is the FBI doing about this? by ryanwright · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Everyone here is likely to blame Microsoft. I'm turning my wrath against the intelligence organizations of various countries. For far too long this BS - malware, viruses, fraud sent via spam - has been mostly ignored. It seems nobody is going to jail for the Paypal scams because Paypal isn't a "real bank". Now they're targeting real banks.

    I, for one, am sick of it. Where is our FBI and what are they doing about this? If these were criminals setting up videocameras to record pin numbers at ATMs, you can bet there would be a huge effort to track them down. Well, this is worse than that.

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    1. Re:What, exactly, is the FBI doing about this? by Muttonhead · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If the FBI should do anything it is to force Microsoft to make their software truly secure. I mean if the door is open, close and lock it.

    2. Re:What, exactly, is the FBI doing about this? by asdfghjklqwertyuiop · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Where is our FBI and what are they doing about this?


      They're much too busy detaining arabs in the US for no reason, searching people's homes without warrants, raiding and siezing the equipment of people they thing are computer hackers...

      Oh, and they're busy punishing copyright violation too. That is clearly more important than people's bank accounts.

  20. "New IE Malware" by sulli · · Score: 4, Funny

    (Score: -1, Redundant)

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    sulli
    RTFJ.
  21. Different password entry schemes? by vanza · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Not to discuss about IE, what about banks using different password entry schemes?

    In Brazil there seems to be a new regulation saying that users of ATM and online banking shouldn't type the password in a numeric pad anymore.

    Instead, you get 5 buttons on the touch screen (or a small Java applet, or Javascript thing in the case of the bank where I have an account there) with combinations of two numbers. It looks like "press this if the next number is 3 or 8".

    The thing is, the combination changes every time you enter your password. The first button that was "3 or 8" before will be something like "4 or 7" next time. And the combinations change too, not only the position of the buttons.

    So it becomes more difficult for spyware to monitor keypresses / mouse clicks, or things like this to work for the scammer. (Ironic or not, the ATM in the pictures at the UT website is from a Brazilian bank).

    I haven't seen anything like that in any US bank; it's always a number pad where you type your password, or a text field to type the password online.

    --
    Marcelo Vanzin
  22. Patched in 48 hours by ikekrull · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Come on Bill, lets see you put your money (its not like you don't have enough of that) where your mouth is.

    Your 48 hours starts now.

    --
    I gots ta ding a ding dang my dang a long ling long
  23. Re:If this won't get people to switch, what will? by Carnildo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If this won't get people to switch, what will?

    Nothing. Probably 75% of computer users out there aren't even aware what a web browser is, much less what "SSL", a "security hole", and a "BHO" are. If they can understand neither what they are using, nor why they shouldn't be using it, they aren't about to switch.

    --
    "They redundantly repeated themselves over and over again incessantly without end ad infinitum" -- ibid.
  24. Man, I'm so sick of this... by NeoGeo64 · · Score: 5, Funny

    When will us Linux users finally get to experience all of these exploits and viruses? It looks like Windows users have all the fun. :-)

  25. Re:Can someone explain... by stevesliva · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've actually had online banking sites force me to use MSIE when they decided Mozilla 1.5 wasn't a modern browser. Seems better with recent Mozilla and Firefox versions, or perhaps the frigging bank fixed their frigging software.

    --
    Who do you get to be an expert to tell you something's not obvious? The least insightful person you can find? -J Roberts
  26. Re:If this won't get people to switch, what will? by NanoGator · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "For crying out loud, people! How hard is it to download Firefox and switch? Especially with the new settings import wizard?"

    For crying out loud, people! Nobody even knows what Firefox is!

    Quit acting like everybody's a retard and start putting money into a Firefox ad campaign or something. Acting like a raging zealot isn't going to get people to switch.

    --
    "Derp de derp."
  27. Re:Can someone explain... by DjMd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Thats when you point her IE shortcut at Firefox...
    I mean come on,,, Just tell her it is the new IE.

    --
    DJMD - The fourth man - Planetary
  28. Wouldn't hurt me too much by Zarhan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...I don't know about banks in the US, but at least my (Finnish) bank gives me a username, password and (most important of all) a list of one-time passwords. When I log in, the only things I can see before it requests a one-time password is the balance on account, EURIBOR interest rates and the few stocks I've chosen to observe (ie, a master summary page). If I try to access anything, such as transaction records (not to mention transfers), I have to type in the one-time password. They mail me a new sheet when I'm starting to run out of one-timers.

    If I don't want to use one-time passwords, I can choose to use smartcard reader and a PIN number (which remains constant). I'm not sure if that would be vulnerable. Anyway, this follows the "something you have, something you know"-security model, I know the username/password and have either the smartcard or the one-time list.

    Do the US banks only use username/password pair?

    1. Re:Wouldn't hurt me too much by Zarhan · · Score: 3, Informative

      Wow, the Finnish bank solution is way overkill. I'd rather have to deal with identity theft every 5 years than to keep a list of one time use passwords.

      The list is a credit-card shaped piece of plastic that has a bunch of numbers on both sides. Goes easily in wallet. Doesn't matter if it gets stolen because you still need the username/password pair and you can get a new list by calling your bank.

      And like I said, you can still use the smartcard version (so you'll skip the typing of one-time-password entirely).

  29. It's probably fake: Blue Valley High by tmoertel · · Score: 3, Informative
    A Google search on the phone number reveals that it is for one Blue Valley High School.

    In other words, it's almost certainly a bogus phone number attached to bogus domain-registration info.

  30. So.. by NanoGator · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What fancy-ass security feature in Firefox would prevent somebody from writing a plugin like this? Anything besides 'not a big enough user base to attempt it'?

    --
    "Derp de derp."
    1. Re:So.. by Durandal64 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The one that asks the user if he wants to install it?

    2. Re:So.. by Hank+Reardon · · Score: 5, Informative

      There is no feature in Firefox that would prevent the writing of the application.

      There is, however, a feature that would prevent the installation of the application. From my experiences so far with Mozilla's various incarnations, you can't silently install plugins.

      I can puzzle out a way for this to run under Mozila, but it's a lot more complicated than under IE. IE uses the global (HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE) and user (HKEY_CURRENT_USER) registry keys to keep track of plugins. As far as I've been able to find, Mozilla uses a separate registry per profile to keep plugins and customizations working; probably due to an offshoot of cross-platform compatibility.

      The tools for installing the IE exploits are already in place: just convince IE to run some code via a buffer overflow or somesuch, have the code run "regsvr32 myfunexploit" and the exploit is installed into HKLM as a browser helper object. With Mozilla, you'd have to do a bit more work: find a buffer overflow exploit to execute remote code, have your code figure out where the profile directory for the user is located, run through that directory looking for a Mozilla installation, parse out the Mozilla registry, install your exploit code and (probably) wait for the user to restart Mozilla before it's loaded.

      As the article noted, you need a third party application to easily list and modify BHO plugins. Under Firefox, at least, it's a single click to see what plugins you have running.

      This could, in theory, be done with Mozilla-and-friends, but most of the features in the browser, simple plugin viewing and a separate registry, make it, if not unlikely to happen, at least more easily noticed by the end user.

      --
      There's so little difference between politics and jihad lately...
  31. Re:Can someone explain... by Camel+Pilot · · Score: 4, Informative

    The problem is that websites are test for IE only and are often broke with other browsers. Not because they are using some nifty (non-standard) feature of IE but just because the web developers only test IE.

    I think this will change when non-IE browsers start ruling a larger percentage in the server logs and too many customer complain. I always take the time to send a nice e-mail to websites that are broke with Mozilla.

    Companies need know that they are limiting their customer base and are losing sales.

    Just yesterday I was signing up for a dedicated server at a vendor and their webpage was not working correctly, I brought up IE and worked fine. Ticked - I left and signed up with the competition (servermatrix).

  32. Funny CIAC issued a warning in 2002 by that1guy · · Score: 5, Informative

    Funny, CIAC Issued a warning about BHO's in early 2002 Link to warning

  33. Re:If this won't get people to switch, what will? by eSims · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The difficulty here is that many Banks require Internet Explorer. I use Firefox and before that opera netscape, even lynx to avoid having to use IE, but when it comes to banking sometimes I have little choice. Recently I even pulled down the extension so that Firefox would fool my Cable provider into thinking it was IE, but that doesn't work with my Bank.

    Get out in the the Real World (tm)(c) and realize that the problem is bigger that just "download Firefox and switch".

    --
    I .sig therefore I am!
  34. Sad... because its true by HighOrbit · · Score: 4, Funny

    Unfortunatly this describes 90% of people out there. The only way I can think of to overcome that kind of pervasive ignorace is a public service campaign like the anti-drug campaigns.

    [joke]
    "This is your computer.. this is your computer on Internet Explorer"
    -or-
    "Friends don't let Friends use Internet Explorer"
    -or-
    "Just say No to Internet Explorer"
    [/joke]

    Seriously, there needs to be a TV campaign or even public service banners on high traffic sites like google or CNN.

  35. A good thing this only affects IE users... by lightspawn · · Score: 3, Funny

    After last week's CERT advisory, there should only be a handful of them left.

  36. Find a new bank by GrouchoMarx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And if you're dumb enough to use a bank that works only with the big neon "Hack Me" sign that is IE, you get what you deserve. Find a bank that works with Mozilla or Konqueror and use those for banking instead.

    Oh yes, and be sure to tell your old bank WHY you're closing your account with them. "You're only supporting Internet Explorer as a browser, so I'm not supporting you as a bank."

    Not like they'll notice on personal accounts, but maybe if a business or three moves their accounts, they'll sit up and take notice.

    --

    --GrouchoMarx
    Card-carrying member of the EFF, FSF, and ACLU. Are you?

  37. Re:Can someone explain... by Pantheraleo2k3 · · Score: 4, Funny

    a) Threaten to never support her computer again
    b) Hide the IE shortcuts
    c) Change the IE homepage to say, in big letters, "YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE USING THIS NOW GET OUT AND START FIREFOX"
    d) If you have Zonealarm on her computer, set it so IE has no Internet access
    e) Use IE's Content Advisor to block all Web sites
    f) I could go on and on

  38. Re:What's going on at Microsoft? by cmowire · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There's a bunch of stuff going on.

    First, Microsoft can't keep up with every possible exploit, so they don't even try. This is why they have yet to tackle viruses and trojans. Heck most of the virus companies aren't doing trojans, either.

    Second, most of the fine-grained ability to really solve these sorts of problems is beyond your average user. If they had a switch to turn off BHOs, people would turn them off and then wonder why the WhizBangSuperBHO application they just downloaded doesn't work and wouldn't think to make the connection. Plus, there's no real concept of a proper sandbox, nor is there much ability to do it properly, if the default install gives everybody root.

    Third, a page or internal site that uses ActiveX, BHOs, and other Microsoft-only technologies is a page or internal site that doesn't work under Opera or Mozilla. So by disabling such things, they risk turning back the clock towards standards that they've been enticing web designers with.

    Fourth, spyware folks *cough*gator*cough* have a tendancy to sue their foes. Which is probably without basis, but still could cause Microsoft to have weird injunctions if they got too active about it.

    The problem, and the advantage for the rest of the market, is that all of this hurts Microsoft, if they do anything, or if they don't.

  39. Re:Can someone explain... by SecretMethod70 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I used to like this tactic but the more I think about it the less I do. Fact is, doing this only HELPS Microsoft maintain a monopoly even with bad software. It is far better to go through the effort of EDUCATING someone about alternatives and why they are better. Not only is tricking them dishonest, but it also leads them to believe "wow, Microsoft has really fixed Internet Explorer. They're such a good company that does so much for everyone."

    Yes, it's sad that people don't realize that Internet Explorer is not "the internet" and that there are alternatives, but tricking them is not the answer.

  40. Re:Can someone explain... by sTalking_Goat · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I did this to my Mom's computer. Deleted all the shortcuts to IE except for the one on the desktop which I put just below the firefox shortcut and then pointed to firefox.exe. I said hey Mom use Firefox (knowing she'd use Ie anyway, which wasn't a problem since it would start firefox ) Three months later I'm there for a visit and she's using IE and getting stuck in pop-up hell.

    Apparently her ISP software linked directly to Iexplorer.exe and when it asked her to make it default she clicked yes.

    Not her fault but still makes you want to slam yur head against the monitor screen.

    --

    My days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle...

  41. Re:If this won't get people to switch, what will? by babbage · · Score: 3, Informative

    That sounds nice and all, but if your bank's site only works in IE -- as is true for many banks both large & small -- then the customer doesn't really have a choice in the matter.

    I know people that are perfectly happy to use Mozilla 90% of the time, but when they have to log in to Fleet (or whatever other bank site), they must use IE there.

    Yes, the problem here is the bank's broken site, but what can you do? Their standard response is "95% of people use IE, so that's what we support", completely ignoring the line of thought that if they wrote in a portable, standards compliant way, they wouldn't have to think about these issues, and their customers would be much happier. But there we are -- stuck.

    Your exclamation points are appreciated, but until the banks & other IE-only sites realize the errors of their ways, you're just berating the victims of the larger crime here.

  42. Re:Can someone explain... by lightspawn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think this will change when non-IE browsers start ruling a larger percentage in the server logs and too many customer complain.

    1. Web sites check the user-agent header, refuse access to anybody not claiming to be MSIE.
    2. Users of advanced browsers change their user-agent strings to claim to be MSIE.
    3. Webmasters check logs, see most all hits come from MSIE...
    4. ... and decide there's no need to support anything else.

  43. Re:Why is a gif file getting run as an EXE?!? by Zcipher · · Score: 4, Informative

    As I understood it, it doesn't; basically the gif file is actually an exe exploiting the joys of hidden file extensions. Thus, its name would properly be img1big.gif.exe.

  44. Another happy firefox user... by zippity8 · · Score: 3, Informative

    To get around the "teaching others to use a new browser", I just loaded Firefox, added a luna skin to make it look like IE, and then used firesomething to change the name to "internet explorer". They barely know the difference!

    But for those that are unfortunately enough to have to help those that insist on IE, for whatever reason, a program called BHODemon might help you. It lets windows users see what BHO's are loaded at any particular time, so I would assume that this malware would show up here as well. Its a quick way that someone can find out just what is running in the background.

    http://www.definitivesolutions.com/bhodemon.htm
    BHODemon 1.0

  45. secure by SQLz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Thats funny considering I can't use my bank's Internet system it says it requires IE for security purposes.

  46. How to switch to firefox on windows... by Phil+John · · Score: 3, Informative
    • go to http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox
    • download the windows installer
    • run aforementioned installer
    • Realise that installer automatically imports IE favourites
    • Select the Internet Explorer icon, press "Del" key
    • When asked if you are sure,say yes (with extreme prejudice)
    it's really that simple, for added effect you could try replacing the firefox icon with the explorer one (right click|properties|change icon|browse to iexplore.exe|select the icon from the ones that come up), that's what I did as I was used to clicking on a blue e. After a while I weaned myself off.
    --
    I am NaN
  47. BHOs and you by Lieutenant_Dan · · Score: 4, Informative

    There's a good explanation of BHO and how malware authors tend to exploit it here.

    Maybe this is the kick of the pants that M$ will get now that financial institutions are targetted with a n exploit from a badly-design browser model.

    Which is nice.

    --
    Wearing pants should always be optional.
  48. Re:Can someone explain... by TheLetterPsy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Unfortunately, people have their (usually unjustified) reasons.

    Take, for example, my Mom. A month or so before coming home from school, I mentioned that I planned on building a new computer for myself over the summer. She told me that she was just about fed up with our home PC because it was so slow and working so poorly and crashing. I told her definitely not to go do anything silly like buy a new one, just yet.

    So when I get home, she has since cleaned up a lot of stuff (she's fairly tech-savvy as far as Aunt Tillie-types go) and the computer is running OK. I immediately installed Firefox on the computer, and told her, my brother and sister to all start using it instead of IE.

    I left a week later for my summer job (6 hr drive, first time I go back is this weekend). As soon as the IIS compromise issue came out, I e-mailed my Mom and made sure she was using Firefox because she had told me over the phone that she had a lot of spyware/malware problems. Of course she wasn't using Firefox. I asked her why the hell not and she says, "I'm old and don't want to have to take the time to learn something new" (she is co-owner of a financial consulting firm). So I explain to her how it's not anything new. A browser is a browser, you've got the back button, the forward button, hell, you can even import favorites. So whatever. That was a few days ago.

    I called her last night to make sure she started using Firefox, and of course, she wasn't again. I asked her why and this is exactly what she said, "I may be superstitious or something, but ever since Mozilla was installed, that's when we started getting all the nasty stuff on the computer." Well I didn't want to be rude and point out what problems she was having before I got home from school, so I let it go when she promised I could show her how great Firefox is when I go home this weekend.

    I only hope she's not using IE to check her bank statements, etc.

    Some people are so set in their ways, like my uncle, for example, who refuses to wear a seatbelt. I feel like switching browsers is the same situation. If anyone has any recommendations on how to convince people that are utterly unconvinceable to switch to Firefox, please let me know.

  49. Quit the handwringing and DO SOMETHING! by alexburke · · Score: 5, Insightful

    According to the linked article, this BHO phones the mothership located at:

    http://www.refestltd.com/cgi-bin/yes.pl

    www.refestltd.com is 66.226.64.11; the ARIN pull is below.

    I'm on the phone right now with Matt of Abacus America to get the website taken down.

    I am saddened to think that I'm the first one that's bothered to go to the trouble...

    OrgName: Abacus America Inc.
    OrgID: ABAC
    Address: 5276 Eastgate Mall
    City: San Diego
    StateProv: CA
    PostalCode: 92121
    Country: US

    NetRange: 66.226.64.0 - 66.226.95.255
    CIDR: 66.226.64.0/19
    NetName: ABAC2002A
    NetHandle: NET-66-226-64-0-1
    Parent: NET-66-0-0-0-0
    NetType: Direct Allocation
    NameServer: NS1.ABAC.COM
    NameServer: NS2.ABAC.COM
    Comment: ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE
    RegDate: 2002-01-31
    Updated: 2003-03-27

    TechHandle: AD384-ORG-ARIN
    TechName: A Net DNS Administrator
    TechPhone: +1-858-410-6900
    TechEmail: dns@aplus.net

    OrgTechHandle: ANETS-ARIN
    OrgTechName: A Net Support
    OrgTechPhone: +1-858-410-6900
    OrgTechEmail: support@aplus.net

    # ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2004-06-28 22:17
    # Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.

  50. Disclosure? by jamcc · · Score: 3, Informative

    So there's a list of 50-or-so banking sites that the malware picks up. Where's the list? How can I know if I need to call home and tell the wife to NOT use online banking until I get home or not? Also, what's the quick way to tell if I have the malware or not? Does it drop a dll, exe or something somewhere? I *hate* things like this where it's reported that "you might be infected" -- tell me what clues I can look for to know. Tell me which (if any?) IE fixes subvert this. Tell me which A/V vendors have patches to prevent it (if any). Aargh.

  51. Re:Why is a gif file getting run as an EXE?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    report said they used the CHM exploit.

    Here is what I dug up on that (as related to another incident):

    A file named chm.chm, which is a compiled-HTML help file, is downloaded. This file is 143,918 bytes in length. The chm.chm contains two files, launch.htm (93 bytes) and mstasks.exe( 160,768 bytes).

    The file launch.htm, which contains the following code, runs mstasks.exe.

    OBJECT NAME='X' CLASSID='CLSID:11111111-1111-1111-1111-11111111112 3' CODEBASE='mstasks.exe'



    So I am guessing the exe in the chm file renames the gif and runs it?

  52. Why people use IE by funkdid · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Odder still is that many ISPs won't support Mozilla /Firefox etc.

    For example, I used to work for Cablevision's Optimumonline service. I would sit in meetings and go on and on about how we should support, even lightly suggest our customers use Mozilla. One of the biggest avoidable call drivers in our Call Centers was people complaining of pop-ups. Another large driver was Spam. Mozilla is a great tool for handling both of those problems.

    The Higher Ups weren't interested in my ramblings. They would point out that we support IE, Netscape, Outlook Express and Outlook. They eventually came around and offered support of Safari but on a very limited basis (not that it needs anything more).

    The biggest problem that most ISPs face is uneducated consumers. Their machines get hijacked and in turn Spam the World, which causes other users to complain and blame the company. These machines also eat up Network resources, again causing other users to complain and blame the service. Don't forget the users that click on EVRERY pop-up that comes their way, thereby infesting their machine with spy-ware to the point that even opening IE is near impossible. Again, this is blamed on the service.

    Granted the Mozilla fam aren't really out of the "beta" fase, but I see less Firefox, and Mozilla fixes then there are for IE. Being that Netscape and Mozilla are half-siblings (in a sense) why not support it? It's not like the support staff needs to be re-trained.

    People don't care what browser they use, they want one that is intuitive, free, and functional to their needs. I think the Mozilla branch does that. With firefox 9.1 out today, why are people still using IE? Better yet, why aren't ISPs telling people NOT to use IE? It would save them a fortune and a company not looking to save a fortune..... should be investigated!

    --

    I boycott signatures

  53. problematic idea by lordcorusa · · Score: 3, Interesting

    While this naively may seem like a good idea, it has enormous potential to blow up in your face.

    By installing software on a computer-illiterate person's computer, you are implicitly taking *personal* responsibility for that computer, whether you want to or not. From that moment forward, that person will insist that you provide free technical support for them whenever you need it. Refuse this, and you will cast a bad light on open source. (ie: That Mozilla thing broke my Internet and no one will help me!) From experience, Murphy's law will go into effect, and any and every thing will go wrong.

    Be wary whenever you offer to help someone with their computer. I have been so burnt out from helping so many people over the years that I refuse to help anyone, even family members, or even talk to them about computers.

    Like it or not, open source cannot forever rely on legions of selfless geeks helping everyone. It's just not infinitely scalable. "Mainstream" open source projects like Mozilla, OpenOffice, etc need to 1) proactively focus on usability by recruiting (by paying if necessary) human-computer interface experts and focusing all development on usability and 2) forming political relationships with as many computer manufacturers, banks, and any other organizations we can to get our stuff in front of mainstream users. There is already some movement on these fronts, but it needs to be at least an order of magnitude greater.

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    The preceding comments reflect the author's personal opinion and are public domain, unless explicitly stated otherwise.
  54. Darwinian selection in action by rworne · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I am tired of trying to propose solutions to the problems brought about with the large numbers of ignorant users using MS software. I'm also tired of trying to fix problems that these users repeatedly cause. Government and law enforcement doesn't seem to care, so I'll propose this solution:

    In nature, when a population gets too large there's a die-off. Usually this die-off is caused by disease or starvation. The better adapted creatures survive and live on.

    We can use the fox and rabbit scenario here.

    The malware writers are the foxes and the ignorant users are the rabbits. In our case the foxes don't eat the rabbits, but instead hijack the rabbits' computers for fraud, spam, pop-ups, etc. Foxes die by giving up and moving on to more lucrative off-line crimes.

    The rabbits don't eat anything but are increasing in numbers by simply hooking up machines to the Internet. Rabbits die by cancelling their AOL accounts and stop using the Internet.

    Right now there are a ton of rabbits (and more every day) and the fox population is exploding.

    If we just sit back and let natural selection take its course, the ignorant rabbits will become sufficiently frustrated with their Internet experience and give up. The foxes will concentrate even harder on the remaining rabbits (who will be better adapted to counter the foxes' attacks) or start writing malware for the rest of the rabbits or face a massive die-off as well.

    Those that are able to adapt do so by either keeping their machines properly patched or learn to use alternative browsers (or operating systems). These rabbits will then have a better Internet in the end because we will have a better class of users and software.

    There's plenty of educational material out there for ignorant users to read. Practically every day there's something in the newspaper about how to protect oneself from these attacks.

    The Zombies and SpamBots will make life a hell for the rest of us, but that's a short-term problem in this model. That should fix itself after the die-off itself.

    --
    I tried every decent and legal way I could think of to resolve the issue w/the business before I rented the chicken suit
    1. Re:Darwinian selection in action by Artful+Codger · · Score: 3, Interesting

      One problem with your little scenario.

      The "rabbits" are consumers! They pay to buy and sell stuff, pay to read about other rabbits, pay to view pictures of young shaved rabbits, pay to manage their carrot hoard online, all on the websites we're paid to build.

      If there's fewer rabbits, we get paid less.

      If rabbits tell other rabbits that one particular "field" (the internet) is full of foxes, they'll stay away, and the rabbits will move off to somebody else's field (like maybe a "secure" proprietary network owned by a big corporation).

      Let me make my point another way - instead of the web, let's consider a shopping mall that has pickpockets. By your Darwinian model, we should just sit back, let the shoppers get pickpocketed, and hope that only paranoid shoppers with tight pants will shop in our mall...?

      --

      ... plans that either come to naught, or half a page of scribbled lines...
  55. OK, I'll take the bait by Infonaut · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Now looking at the BHO I am wondering why you think using FireFox on Linux is safer than IE? Someone else could just as easily (Anything is possible, so don't say it can't be done) program a plug-in for FireFox/Mozilla that does the same as BHO and people can just as easily download this plug-in and experience the same issues on FireFox/Mozilla as any Windows user using IE.

    Someone could just as easily program a plug-in for Mozilla/Firefox/whatever that does the same thing as BHO? Do you also think that all operating systems are equally secure inherently? Is it just as easy to program in Python as it is to program in Pascal? Microsoft has a long history of creating application environments that offer extensibility through plug-ins that are inherently prone to security exploits. This makes it easier to create exploits for their products.

    IE is the target because a high per cent of people uses it. If it was 50% IE and 50% Mozilla I'm sure we would see a lot more activity on trying to create ad/spy/trojan-ware for all browsers.

    Like back in the day, when Netscape ruled the browser market? Yep, there were a lot of adware/spyware/trojan-ware apps back then.

    Maybe you should be happy that IE is used by so many.

    Actually, no. I think most people would be a lot happier not to have to deal with such a crappy browser that is always introducing security problems, isn't standards-compliant, and doesn't have any of the most recent "must have" features that so many other browsers share. It would be easier for web developers, users, and security managers if IE weren't such a piece of crap.

    --
    Read the EFF's Fair Use FAQ
    1. Re:OK, I'll take the bait by Ryosen · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There are two very fundamental statements that need to be made. First, yes, someone could develop a malware plugin for Mozilla (or Opera or whatever). The major difference is that only IE allows BHOs to be installed unbeknownst to the user. Furthermore, IE makes it very easy for a user to be duped into allowing a plugin to be installed. Also, IE makes it difficult and confusing to raise the security settings for the browser. Watch an average user try it some day.

      Second, it's not that there are so many users that are upset with having to deal with a crappy browser, it's that they don't *know* that IE is a crappy browser. Every time that I have to clean malware off of a machine, I make sure that I let them know (and prove to them by explaining the logs to them) that the spyware was installed via IE. Then, they know that they are using a crappy browser.

      --

      Ryosen
      One man's "Troll, +1" is another man's "Insightful, +1".
  56. Firefox Too? by RichiP · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Isn't Firefox with its plugins system also susceptible to malware? How secure is the area in which plugins can play? It would be interesting if someone would take up the challenge of writing a similar piece of software as a plugin for Firefox and see if they can insinuate it in the Plugins repository.

    It's not that I wish such a thing on people, but I'd like to know how secure the repositories are and what kind of damage we're looking at if it isn't.

  57. My apologies by Flower · · Score: 4, Funny
    Log in, get, get, get owned. MS IE is a joke on your backbone. Log in, get, get, get owned. MS IE is a joke on your backbone. MS IE is a joke.

    I really must stop watching Comedy Central.

    --
    I don't want knowledge. I want certainty. - Law, David Bowie
  58. Stupid hacker.... by Pedrito · · Score: 4, Informative

    Okay, this idiot must want to get caught. To you aspiring virus/trojan writers out there: DO NOT have your virus/trojan send information to a web site. Send it to a newsgroup. Geez. Encrypt it if you must, but don't send it somewhere where you can be tracked. Send it somewhere where you can get it anonymously. Man, moron hackers out there. It's like that idiot Slashdot reported on yesterday who got caught on the extortion deal when he told them who to make the check out to.

  59. social engineering - not a technical problem by rawdirt · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Try changing the disclosure laws for financial fraud requiring the financial institutions reveal amounts of the losses from use of browers.

    penalize them for failure to reveal risk.

  60. w00t by alexburke · · Score: 5, Informative

    As of 7:11 PM Eastern Time (1.5 hours after my phone call), the site is now offline.

  61. How it executes automatically by bumbobway · · Score: 3, Interesting

    For those of you who don't take the time to read the analysis of the trojan, here's what is said:


    The HTML here attempts to exploit a known flaw in Internet Explorer to load and
    execute a .chm file. At the same time, it appears to have executed a script on
    www.mymaydayinc.com called photos.php. At this point, the packet captures provided
    by the victim end, but it is possible to make some intelligent guesses as to what happened
    next.
    The victim of the attack found a file called "img1big.gif" had been loaded onto their
    machine. Because of the account restrictions on the person running the machine, it had
    failed to install properly, which was why it had come to their attention. It is this file that
    they forwarded to the SANS Internet Storm Center for analysis.
    The file "img1big.gif" is not a graphic file at all. It is actually a 27648 byte Win32
    executable that has been compressed using the Open Source executable compressor UPX.
    (Hypothesis: the .chm exploit, shown above is likely used to rename and execute this
    file.)


    So basically, it allows a CHM file (Compiled Help, used in your standard help files) to auto-install a DLL, which in turn regisers itself as a Browser Helper Object (BHO). BHO's are typically used for things like Browser Toolbars (like the one Google provides).

    Microsoft should not allow auto-execution of any file type. It should be an easy fix to IE though.

  62. Re:Why is a gif file getting run as an EXE?!? by darf · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I am one of the folks that submitted this to SANS. I actually looked at the file prior to my teammate sending it and the initial report. The .gif file was really an executable file without the .exe extension. The file had an executable's header and link information strings referring to DLL load points at the end of the file. The middle of the file was compressed binary cruft. The attack vector used the CHM vulnerability to launch.

    Another interesting thing we've noticed lately is how many attacks are now using multiple vectors. After dealing with this issue and a bunch of related ones we have come across I have to say that the entire banner ad system is corrupt and infected.

    I never thought anything I had a hand in would show up on ./. My life is complete...