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Upgrade Doubles +R Speed For Some Lite-On Drives
Binsbergen writes "Owners of a Lite-On 451S (lowest price $ 69.50) and a Lite-On 851S can load the firmware of the Lite-On 832S and burn their DVD+Rs at 8x speed and also write to double-layer media. Before this seemed impossible, because many manufacturers have told us that upgrading a 4x drive to a double-layer writer was impossible due hardware differences. Of course it's important to note that 'overclocking' voids your warrantee and should be done after have carefully read the instructions. Read more about the procedure, the results and others experiences in the official 451S@832S, 851S@832S -- It works! thread. That's a dirt-cheap upgrade!" (Sounds similar to the NEC upgrade mentioned in May.)
If you don't currently own a 451S don't bother with purchasing one. The mad rush that this is going to cause will only raise the cost and the wait time for this specific unit. After a quick search I found the Lite-On 8x DVD+/-RW drive that does double layered writing for $89 (see here at newegg - BTW, I just did a quick search for Lite-On, I don't work for newegg or even recommend them).
Seems to me that paying $20 more (without even checking anywhere else) to purchase a drive that is meant to write at 8x (apparently in both + and -) and won't void your warranty is a much better deal.
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This patch is fine and dandy, but I cannot find any dual layered discs anywhere!
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I flashed upgraded my Ricoh (OEM) drive a while ago, and it seemed the only change I had to make was to the firmware was the drive ID and the checksum at the top. Add one byte there, remove one byte there.
The TiG4 Powerbooks had the same type of firmware 'fix'. I can't find the link to the upgradable firmware, but it doubled the speed of the MATSHITA DVD-R UJ-815A. Definitely was a major improvement over the standard 1x DVD burning that came with my powerbook.
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Sort of off topic, though i'm talking about LiteOn
Who are the other major manufacturers of DVD writers? Not the rebranded ones, be careful here, since Sony for instance gets most of their drivers from LiteOn. I am just wondering if anyone has had success writing DVDs with a non LiteOn drive.. because I've gone through 2 LiteOn RMA's and they make shit IMO. Either that or South East US got a bad palette of them...
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I have the NEC 2500 that can be firmware-upgraded to the 2510 dual-layer model. People have been reporting that the new firmware works fine, but no one on any of the message boards has yet verified that dual-layer DVDs burned with the new firmware will play on standard DVD players. I'd be curious about the same issue with Lite-On models until there is more testing.
Also, dual-layer media is still very expensive. A DL disc costs much more than twice as much as a single-layer.
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This is an example of something that I could burn faster with the new firmware.
Any chance the 8x / dual layer upgrade is going to happen on the Sony DW-U14A drive :-)
The "hack" was released around December/January I believe. Kinda late there /.
Anyway, Lite-On has some excellent burners. I got mine during Black Friday and let me tell you, the 4x burns at 8x =)
Load firmware for another drive? Seems to me it's like chopping off your toes to fit into the shoe, Yeah it might look better, but it could also hurt. A lot.
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Upgrade Doubles +R Speed
Just get a "type R" sticker at AutoZone, glue it on your drive's tray and voilà, instant speed increase. Works with every drive on the market too...
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While the speeds are finally getting there, i think i'll hold off a little further on buying a DVD-RW. I'm also a little angry about the supposed 'dual-layer' capability - regular dual layer discs are 9.6 gb, not 8.5!
Aren't the Sony DVD writers just a re-packaged Lite-on? Or vice versa? Pretty much the same writer I read somewhere, just comes with a different logo and software package.
Hmm except it worked before without dual layer burner for almost every game.
I have another method which actually produces more increase in speed. Simply affix one of my special "Type R" stickers to the bezel of your drive, and receive an instant 250% increase in speed!
money?
you double the speed of your drive and you can use newer larger media?
that speaks for itself.
why cnat things just be fun anyways?
What??? You can copy xboxen games without modchip?
Modding is fun and often a means to usher legacy hardware/software into a state where it can compete with newer generation hardware/software. Examples of good modding can be found in the Debian Familliar distribution, which allows old-skool iPaqs to run a far more robust operating system than the first-wave Pocket PC software, and you end up with a PDA competent to PPC 2k2.
As a child, I once modded a first-generation Mr. Speak and Spell to curse at me in German. I was the envy of the entire chess club.
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Unless your Xbox is chip'd. IIRC, xbox media is read from the outside in, you need a modchip, or some crazy burning software to make it work. Much easier to just get a hard drive and rip the games.
"Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus Rex."
http://forums.speedlabs.org/ (membership required) has a series of mods/steps to let your 401S/411S write DVD+Rs (and -Rs when they arrive) at 8X, effectively converting them to a 8xxS drive. Drives thus converted can later be flashed with original 8xxS firmware. (401s must first be "overclocked" to 411s and from then to 8xx).
You can burn xbox games with single layer discs, and have been able to for 2 years now. The tough part is that the xbox data is burned backwards... from the outside of the disc in from what I understand. This means that no, you can't put an xbox game in your computer and just "burn" it. You have to read it with your xbox while having the xbox modded and running linux, and then copy the data over the network to your computer via ftp - and then burn the thing using Nero or whatever. Then, you have a copy that will load on the xbox. Having a dual layer burner has nothing to do with it.
but which? Type-R or Type+R?
"Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus Rex."
Well, considering I just bought this drive 2 months ago, and I'm bummed that new dual-layer drives are out... This is awesome news for me. Instead of spending $80-$100 on a new drive, I can upgrade mine for free!
...to "upgrade" my existing single-layer 4x DVD-Rs to dual-layer...
I don't know about you folks, but the blank media for DL is still just way too expensive. I can't find anything under $7 per DVD.
There's tons of other burners that can do dual layer with unofficial firmware upgrades.
;-)
:-( Maybe someone else can provide one?
;-)
Even my el cheapo drive (Pioneer DVR-A06) might be able to do the trick, although I doubt Pioneer will release their hacked firmware for it just for the heck of it.
I once knew the link to pages summarizing the recorders where dual layer firmware was available but have lost it since then.
Anyway, if your recorder supports recording 8x discs, chances are that it has a modified firmware for dual layer recording floating around somewhere, as one of the requirements -- a 140 mW laser -- is a common requirement for 8x DVD+/-R burning and DL burning. Philips has confirmed this, but says that in some cases the Optical Pickup Unit is still not of high enough quality. Obviously not always, since DL burning with modified firmware has been done by people upgrading their drives like this.
Finally, it's still a risky business and you might bust your DVD-ROM drive by upgrading to a hacked firmware. And I doubt warranty applies.
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aside from the "fun factor", is there any real point to doing it?
education, learning, exploring; tackling a challenge and the resulting sense of accomplishment (when it works); fighting back against 'the man' who would use technology for customer control. Hackers who know how things work make better shoppers who can cut thru marketing bullcrap, thus contributing to a more efficient and honest capitalist marketplace, promoting freedom and the persuit of happiness throughout the universe.
Some of the worlds greatest inventors, like Tesla, Edison, Watt, Volt, Amp, Henry and Ohm were hackers who enjoyed experimenting with consumer products to see if they could be made to do things prohibited by law.
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You must be kidding. This doubles the writing speed for +R and adds DL burning to a drive that does not support it by default. Besides the fun factor there's a real advantage here. No wonder you posted as AC...
Aside from the 'fun factor', the best way to learn about something is to try to make it exceed it's specs... honest ma, I'm learning! ;)
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it's amazing how many things run faster by simply doubling the voltage. Blenders, Toasters, Fans, even light bulbs burn brighter!
Now, manufacturers CLAIM their devices were not intended to be used in this manner and that faster devices use different hardware, but just plug it up and see for yourself that they are obviously profit-mongering scumbags!! I see it running faster, what other unseen differences could possibly exist? Why would they even design their products similarly or base one version off another if they werent actually the exact same thing underneath?!
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if you want a cheaper 451S do a pricewatch search for it, the first link is $53 shipped (in Cali).
Of course +R DL's are more then 3x the price of decent Single layers, so chances are most people are waiting for the media prices to drop, then will see what burners do DL.
Anyone heard about anything similiar for hte Plextor 708a? I paid a fortune for the drive (230$, best price at the time) 8 months ago, and its worthless now :)
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I have a Lite-On LDW-411S drive, which is almost the same as the 451S, except it uses a different chipset. Is there any remote possibility that there could be a dual-layer upgrade for this model? (Or even the 811S - I know there's an upgrade to convert a 411S to an 811S.)
is there any real point to doing it?
Out of protest. If the drives are identical except for the firmware, wouldn't you feel a little cheated paying extra?
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Oh for FUCK SAKES
Stop spreading these MORONIC "the discs go backwards so piracy is un-possible" rumours.
The Xbox does not spin backwards, nor read inside-out. It uses drives that are as close to stock as you can get, regular toshiba, phillips, samsung drives with modified firmware. It has a proprietary game format. There's a short video session (a video clip saying "this is an xbox game not a movie you idiot") which is all your PC will see, since it does not know about the format of the disk. This COULD be overcome in software, but it would be difficult and would require hacking the firmware of some PC drive and writing all the filesystem shit, etc..
Anyways.
Gamecube discs do not spin backwards, nor PS2, nor dreamcast, nor Sega Saturn, nor TG-CD. This rumour has come up about every single disc-based game console to date.
It would require refitting media pressing factories, custom mastering equipment, etc, etc, all KINDs of ridiculous infrastructure, when if the purpose is copy protection, existing schemes work great (usually broken by a weak link elsewhere, ie; bunnie lifting the MD5 key to decrypt the xbox' bios - if that hadn't happened, it would still be "unhackable")..
Anyhow... THE DISCS WORK LIKE EVERY OTHER DISK, THEY JUST HAVE STUFF WRITTEN ON 'EM THAT YOUR COMPUTER DOESN'T KNOW ABOUT!
Ahhhh... One of those lame rumours that supposedly "intelligent geeky" people spread.
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I have been a HUGE supporter of Lite-On drives for quite a while for this very reason. They are notorious for being easily flashed to higher read/write speeds with out any issues. I pity those fools who pay top dollor for $ony drives when they could just buy the exact same drive from Lite-On for a lot less.
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I've read on various websites that Lite-On uses the same parts as the ones used in similar Plextor drives. Does anyone know if applying this firmware upgrade to a plextor drive would work? Or if applying a Plextor firmware upgrade for a dual-layer writer would work in much the same way on an older burner (ex. the 708a)?
Anyone know a good place to buy dual layer media?
The only thing limiting these drives is a damn software switch, and I have to shell out another $80 because I have the damn 411S instead of the 451S, so the upgrade won't work. Greedy bastards.
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The Xbox does not spin backwards
Wrong. The Xbox DVD drive does indeed spin backwards. One of the things you have to do when swapping in a compatible replacement drive (Samsung, I believe) is to flip have the rubber drive band so that it causes the spindle to spin backwards. Go to xbox-scene.com and dig around in the hardware modding tutorials for more details.
I bet those guys had pretty weird parents to name them after units of measurement...
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Here is the page you're looking for. Interstingly I just noticed there's some firmware from the 816 which is a few months old and might be useable by 815 people, I'll have to look more carefully. As for the old stuff he had back in 2003...works? Yes and no. I had some minor problems- for example, the Finder no longer remembered that I wanted it to ignore blank CD/DVD media(it asks you, and you have the option of always sticking to that option, and it can be changed later in the Control Panels) and would ask me -every time-, which got to be annoying.
Second, it didn't really seem to double anything. Burn times with CDROMs didn't change at all, despite a supposed move from 8x to 16x, and Toast's time estimation was all messed up; it would be grossly optimistic, which was very suspicious. Further- the drive would change speeds, seemed like it was writing at constant-disk-surface-speed(I forget the abbreviation), not constant disk RPMs...and maybe even switching between 8x and 16x.
These experiences were with a rev 1 17" TiBook. Yes, the mechanism is supposedly the same, yes the firmware "worked", but to be honest, I don't think it provided anywhere near the doubling of write speeds that were promised. Since you can flash the firmware back and forth, I may do some more "time trials", since yes- burning at 1x for a DVD is PAINFULLY slow.
Please help metamoderate.
A lot of time and money went into designing that firmware. You don't place any value on that??
Isn't that enough in itself? It is for me.
Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
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You mean other than getting more out of what you already have? And in this case, getting some great new features? Oh man, that's some CRAZY THINKIN' there, I know.
Idiot.
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Can I download some firmware to upgrade my Celeron to a full Pentium 4?
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
Well before the 401s came out, there were rumours - originating from "usually well-informed sources" - that there would be a "leak" to allow it to burn DVD-R media (the 401s is a DVD+RW drive).
And, yup, that's exactly what happened. Yes, DVD-R support is still somewhat shaky and, the whole thing is mostly a result of volounteer work. But Lite-On has, at least from what I hear, been pretty supportive.
Lately though, they seem to have pulled the plug because of pressure from other manufacturers and patent attorneys (those drives are officially DVD+R drives so Lite-On would not be paying royalties to use the DVD-R standard).
OK, now will someone please figure out a way to get my LG GSA-4040B writer to write at 8x.
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My girl-friend does this all the time: when she goes grocery shopping she will usually take advantage of those buy-three-get-one-free deals. Even on stuff like milk. So we'd have four jugs of milk sitting in the fridge. Eventually we'd throw two away - resulting in a net loss. But at the store, it actually felt like saving money.
At this site. What you need to know There are two methods of modification here: 1. The firmware hacking method 2. The EEPROM correction method These need further explanation I feel. The firmware hacking method disabled the sentinel or checking routine so the firmware is forced onto the 812S hardware. Pro's Its easy. Any pleb can find a hacked firmware on the lamerWeb. Also, there are lots of really cool hacks and write strategy adjustments being worked on. If you are into tweaking - this might just be for you! Con's LiteOn are sick of this behaviour. They are now considering making it SO hard to hack the firmware, soon, these methods of hacking will be made useless. It is a little minature war which, in the end - the hackers will fall in. The EEPROM method entails you extracting your EEPROM and having it custom checksummed to make the drive a "REAL" 832S DL drive. Pro's You have a REAL 832S on your hands - no need to worry about cross flash protection or hacking woes for you!!! This is as cool as it gets. Con's It requires the process of checksumming, which requires the EEPROM to be sent to me - then returned. It also requires the use of LTNFlash - which some users are unacquainted with.
It's not "getting more out of what you have already have" if you lose something equally important during the alleged "gain". If I'm going to spend $75 on a DVD Burner with a 1 year warranty, I'm not going to turn around and violate that warranty and risk ruining my hardware for no guaranteed result that I'll actually get twice the write speed. Fuckwit.
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It's "Volta" and "Ampere", not "Volt" and "Amp".
Also, you might want to back up that statement about "things prohibited by law".
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I found a different firmware that says it will change my CDRom into a CDWriter...lets load that and....
That's why you sell that extra jug on eBay! Come on, you AMATEUR! :-)
OHHH SNAP!!!!
Just flashed my LDW-851S. Everything is ok so far... yay :)
As shown here, Sony does use Lite-on for this drive.
Yeah, and the best part is - HE'S WRONG! He trashed my post, and it turns out I was correct. Everybody knows that the Xbox reads backwards like that. He was right, the PS2 does not - I don't know about the GC, I don't comment on cosoles I haven't worked with.
So how fast does it go if you add a "Type -R" sticker on the front bezel?
Does a "Type +R" go any faster?
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I patented screwing your mom. But it got revoked for "prior art."
For the same reason that scientists can clone humans even though they shouldn't, for the same reason that doctors can kill babies before they are born, for the same reason gays can have laws bent to suit their wants....all because they can, nevermind whether they should.
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Then how the hell does it read normal movie DVDs?
According to http://www.pricewatch.com/ at http://www.bananapc.com/promo/general/0428_liteon_ pw/0428_liteon_pw.htm, - well it is $63 but should be $53 with coupon code W/ coupon code SH425L applied .
No you freakin idiot, the xbox most certainly uses a NORMAL freakin DVD-rom drive and thus reads normally. You are an idiot, and if you can't accept that you are wrong you should go to church or something! :)
does it spin backwards or does it spin forwards and the data is reversed? is there a difference?
Btw, what about the XBOX burning option in NERO? when I do that, the UDF cdrw still reads on a mac OSX 10.3 btw.
From a technical point of view, id rather reverse the data then reverse the spin, sinces its easier to design etc...
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
(Samsung, I believe) is to flip have the rubber drive band so that it causes the spindle to spin backwards.
You misinterpreted. According to this, the rubber band you have to swap (and the motor you have to turn around) affects the eject function, not the spindle that rotates the disc:
Also the little belt (rubber band looking thing) will probably fall off when you remove the motor. Do not forget to put this back on (I did and couldn't figure out for an hour why this darn thing wouldn't eject!). (emphasis mine)
Just flip the disc over and use a standard hole punch to punch a half circle about an inch down from the top right side. Ta-da! You've just doubled your storage capacity!
Wait, what are we talking about? Isn't this 1983?
Now unsolder those two big globs, lift up the moter and turn it 180 degrees and resolder. Also the little belt (rubber band looking thing) will probably fall off when you remove the motor. Do not forget to put this back on (I did and couldn't figure out for an hour why this darn thing wouldn't eject!). (emphasis mine)
Don't know how you missed that part, but basically that reverses the polarity of the power to the motor. The rubber band may not effect the drive direction, but the step that brings attention to said band does.
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A lot of time and money went into designing that firmware. You don't place any value on that??
Whether I place a value on it is beside the point... protesting a policy is a common rational. Whether it's moraly correct is an interesting question. Some might consider it immoral to chuck their current drive in favor of a new DL drive.
But you assume that more time was spent designing the firmware of the more costly version. The reverse could be true as well, as in they could have started with the premium unit and made changes to the firmware to dumb it down to create an entry level version. It happens often enough, rather than making a new version they slowly enable features over a period of time in order to encourage people to buy the new one. Or there might be multi-purpose hardware that the only diffrence between editions is a bit or a jumper change.
Case in point, I believe it was the Toshiba 3301 old caddy 2x scsi drive. Nice units, pre-copy protection for audio. You could buy a sun version, or an sgi version, or you could buy generic version and cut a trace and it would boot on either older suns or older sgis. In this case, I placed NO extra value on a SUN or SGI branded drive.
Now as soon as the DL media becomes cheep, then i'll have to make a choice whether to shell out more money for the DL drive, or update my firmware to DL. Firmware piracy or creating more trash.
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His point was that the motor you're reversing isn't the motor that spins the CD, it's the motor that drives the tray. Check this tutorial (pdf) for a more detailed explanation . . . This one is also pretty clear about pointing out that you're reversing the contacts for eject functionality . . . schematics and everything . . .
I have an 812S, can I use the the 832S firmware in my drive to get dual layer? I haven't been able to find any info.
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I heard xbox reads through the top of disk and not the bottom.
Have you ever been to a turkish prison?
One of the reasons the ONLY difference between the high end and low end versions of somthing is it's cheaper for them to cover both markets that way. You only need one factory line to produce both units. As a plus you can wait till just before final packaging and shipping to burn in the firmware giving them some more flexibility to adjust the ratio's of the various 'levels' to fit changeing market demand. In theory the money they save this way can be partialy passed on to the consumer, and partialy used for increasing proffit.
You see this sort of thing all over the place were companies produce a product and sell it at various prices under different lables to maximize proffits and minimize costs. Many of the 'house' brands in your local grocery store or department store are actually just re-labled high-dollar brands.
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My girl-friend does this all the time: when she goes grocery shopping she will usually take advantage of those buy-three-get-one-free deals. Even on stuff like milk
Find a store that will give you the discount on less then the quanity on the coupon. Fred Meyers for example has a coupon this week for 5 1/2 gal jugs for $5.00, but if I buy only one it is $1.00. Cost is slightly less then Trader Joes who have decent prices in the first place like milk for about $2.50/gal without any of this coupon crap or buy more then you need crap.
But with all these discounts and crap, it's hard to know what stuff is going to cost, or what it actually does cost. You're *saving* something, but it's often not clear what you are saving from what.
or just like how right wing fundamentalists keep making america less and less a "land of the free" .. not because they necessarily should, but because they can.
I own one of the 451S drives, but this is a non-windows house (well, I have some, but they are made of regular flat glass).
.rar format, and I'd assume that if I can unpack them, a quick session with dd would feed them to the drive.
I've got the patches, in
Does anyone know of a unix/linux x86 version of unrar?
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According to LiteOn's website they have exactly the same feature set:
451S
411S
As an owner of a 411S , i would be most interested to know if i could firmware upgrade it.
Sounds similar to to the good old days of mainframes.
Back in the day boxen were often sold underclocked by 50%, and we would charge a huge amount to "double to speed". Only one problem, a customer spotted an engineer just reaching inside and flipping the switch, and went mental that he had paid $HUGE_AMOUNT for this.
So after that every "upgrade" was a two day job, involving removing many panels and many parts, and making the job look as hard as possible, oh and of course flipping the switch when no-one was looking!
alright then jackass. replace the cdrom in an xbox with a vanilla cdrom (no firmware/hardware hacks) and try and play a retail xbox game. oh thats right... YOU CANT CAUSE ITS NOT A NORMAL DRIVE!
haha @ you losing karma cause your an asshat
The eject motor runs backwards. The drive motor runs normal.
I was shipped a 451 instead of a 411 that I ordered about 7 months ago. Talk about a mistake, whew!
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I recently upgraded my drive to 8x and even modded the ROM to boost some 4x media to 8x. I had some trouble with a custom mod I found (nero couldn't find the drive), but once I did the mods myself, which was easier than chewing buble gum and walking at the same time due to the great tools out there, I have been trouble free. I have had one coaster burning 8x on 4x Ritek media which costs me a whopping $.50 a piece.
While Lite-on doesn't encourage this, they are benifiting from it. I know 3 other people at work that bought a Lite-on, partly due to the active development community.
Once DL 16x is common, there really isn't much question which brand I will be buying, unless I can just upgrade the firmware, of course.
Who knows maybe the lite-on can be upgraded to blue-light.
wtf does the eject motor have to do with anything fucktard? im talking about taking a pc dvdrom, plugging a y-splitter for power from the hdd and the xbox ide cable in the back and trying to play a retail game. the reset button on the front of the drive works fine. dvd-r work fine. cd-rw work fine. retail games, dont work at all. you should shut your mouth regarding things you dont understand
Sounds like an upgrade to a IBM mainframe. They just came in and changed a few jumpers to enable the memory that was already there.
In this case, Lite-on used good parts and the smarts or foresight to design & build a cost effective and market effective unit. No redesign or tooling = cheaper units.
The only problem with your statement is that even though conservatives can do something they are shot down in favor of making sure the liberals can accomplish the items I said in my first post.
Conservatives don't make America any less free. They try to make sure that there are laws that keep people in check as far as making sure society doesn't lose its sense of right and wrong. As opposed to liberals wanting everything to be suitable for everyone and telling society that "nothing is ever wrong or immoral anymore" which tends to make America a land of "everything goes" which defeats the purpose of having any laws to begin with.
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Guys, I hate to furthur this off subject, but anyone here who got in at the early days of Xbox hacking know that swapping a DVD drive in it works perfectly, that was the original method of making it run a CDR copy rather than only CDRW. There was no problem with it working either. Please don't continue to mis-inform others who might care about this functionality.
but anyone here who got in at the early days of Xbox hacking know that swapping a DVD drive in it works perfectly,
NOT FOR RETAIL DISCS DAMNIT. RETAIL != CD-R