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3D Printing in Stone, or Copy a Sculpture in Rock
An anonymous reader writes "With all this design
your own parts and electronics
talk lately here on /., what about creating your own stone sculpture on
a PC or Copying a Stone Sculpture? You can do that with an outfit
called Studio Roc in CA. The New York Times has an
interesting article on this marriage of CAD, laser scanning, and rocks. 'Using a huge
Italian-made Omag Mill5 five-axis milling machine equipped with a
scanner and 30 interchangeable diamond-tipped bits and blades, the
Mill5 can record nearly any object in minutes and carve a duplicate in
any stone in a few hours.'"
...my own Venus De Milo RealDoll(tm)?
now you can have your head scanned and have a really scare tombstone !!! :)
I wonder if that machine could make a life-sized sculputure of myself? Where shall I put it?
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What? Are they serving the site from the milling machine?
Which she probably already is...
what about creating your own stone sculpture? ...'Using a huge Italian-made Omag Mill5 five-axis milling machine
Sounds great! I'm supposing Staples will have the huge Italian-made Omag Mill5 five-axis milling machine....
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Oh, this is nice, especially for restoring old buildings. If an artist can recreate a plaster mold, they can get a stone copy. That could save a lot of time in restoration.
This could also have potential in restoring wood carvings, assuming the machine can mill wood.
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Would have helped New Hampsire save face.
I wonder how long it's going to be before someone figures out how to use this wonderful new technology for smut?
Oh great, get ready for a host of law-suits as Da Vinci comes back from the dead to sew 'Sculpture Pirates' copying ancient IP.
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It seems so useless, but yet I am compelled to get one. Such is the /. way
Does anyone know why they use a diamond tipped cutter instead of a laser cutter? Does the laser simply slice too far, too fast? Or is the diamond cutter really that much more efficient?
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Just like people are writing software that compose their own music, this could potentially give software the ability to create its own "artistic" sculptures... cool!
;o)
PS. Han Solo hates the idea of a full size sculpture of himself.
Who needs to go all the way to Hollywood to get the best plastic surgeons? Now, all you have to do is call them up, then stick your head in an internet-enabled sculpting "printer" and let them go at it remotely.
Hopefully, you'll have a secure line, or else you'll get Cialis adverts tattoo'ed on your cheeks.
Just think how weird one could get with this. Instead of bronzing the baby's shoes, you can make multiple, lifesized statues of them as they grow up.
The Stone Masson Association of America will not stand for such a thing. They will soon lobby for a DMCA-like legislation to outlaw progress like this.
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Am I the only one who would want a "almost" exact copy of the the Venus De Milo ?
I say almost exact, because I want the missing pieces added back in.
Which face to use would be a hard choice.
I think I would have to do a survey of the beatiful classic female faces for the correct historical ethnic/area first.
I couldn't use a favorite model/actress face.
Like a Julia Robert, Sandara Bullock, (insert the top 1000 rated women list here),etc, etc.
Because, I wouldn't want my statue seized by the copyright nazi's.
How much is one I want one or at least the use of one.
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How much wood would a stone mill mill if a stone mill could mill wood?
John
Then you can expect various life size body parts of famous porn actors. :) ...shudder...
The byline of the article says: "Posted on: 10/10/2001"
Of course, how much difference does the age of a stone really make, anyway? :-)
Perhaps this is what Agrajag utilized to make his monstrous Arthur Dent replica, yet I am suprised that he ever lived long enough to manage to make it to the shop to place the order.
Engineer: I wonder if we can make a machine that creates stone replicas of stuff?
DeForest Kelley: You're so caught up in whether or not you could, you never stopped to think if you should!!
Seriously, why?
Sony ha
A printer Fred Flinstone could love!
this rocks !!!
Friday, July 23, 4004
NEW YORK (AP) - A new organization has been created to promote the copying and redistribution of stone sculptures. Calling itself the Free Sculpture Foundation, or FSF, the group aims to "free" works of art which until now have been "hoarded" by stone copyrighters.
"How can you copyright a piece of rock?? It's the earth, man!" Hippie and founder Richard Stoneman said he got his idea from a recent Slashdot post, "3D Printing in Stone, or Copy a Sculpture in Rock". Great works such as those by Michelangelo will be among his first projects.
Industry groups are not impressed. Chiseled Sales, Inc. spokeswoman Hillary Rocken announced the formation of a trade group opposed to Mr. Stoneman's band of fredom fighters. The Rock Is Available Association, or RIAA is set to lobby government officials to crack down on these "rock robbers". "The talented sculpturers we represent are losing hard earned profits by these thieves. Stone may come from the earth, but that shouldn't stop us from selling it," Rocken said in a prepared statement.
The debate is not likely to go away any time soon. Shortly after the formation of the FSF, a new rival group was formed, calling itself the Open Stone movement. President Erock S Raymond called for a meeting of the minds between business and stone consumers, noting the benefits of opening up the hardware "blueprints" to great works of art.
Does this mean statues will now come equipped with DRM? If this machine can make Venus de Milo knockoffs with arbitrary precision, it can save the data it uses to carve. Then put that datafile on a P2P, and anyone with a statue burner will be able to make bootleg Venuses! I'm sure the art industry is already getting worried!
Stonehenge
Imagine what a troll could do with this sort of power. Giant stone ASCII art of Trollkor and Goatse man. All they need after that is the power to screw up the layout by widening the stones.
(Before going, "I don't get it, -1 for you!" browse at -1 for a bit)
It would be cool if it didn't suck.
the Mill5 can record nearly any object in minutes and carve a duplicate in any stone in a few hours.'
If it can duplicate CD's and DVD's, the RIAA are going to be annoyed.
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An uncut 182 carats is roughly the size of your fist. Not too huge really...
No one seems to be mentioning 3D modelling.
Imagine what Blizzard or id could do to their lobbies with a few statues of Klesk, the Demon Hunter and the like.
And just for people who are better with 3DS Max than with a chissle.
Printing is a process that involves ADDING material to a substrate, not taking it away.
So yes, it's a nice application of one of those multi-axis machine tools the Italians do so well, but it's basically the same as any die-sinking process.
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If they have laser scan capable CMMs (That's Coordinate Measuring Machines), just about any 5-Axis Vertical Milling Machine and some decent machine operators it can be done.
Heck, you could even have that milled out of high-quality Aircraft Aluminum, like a 7000-series. You could also go with tooling steel, like Cold Drawn 1018 Carbon Steel or S-7 Tooling Steel...
None of this is really new. The technology has been around for at least 10 years, from the laser scanning to the 5-Axis Mills.
If you ignore the other uses of a tool, does that make the tool less useful, or you less useful?
Wouldn't you love for your girlfriend (mythical or otherwise) to pose naked for this?
and then again, you could pose and give her something to keep her company while you are away... perhaps with some editing, but you don't want her to prefer it to the real thing, do you?
So when can I have my very own first stone henge then?
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Okay, so I tried to find a website for this Studio Roc place, and simply can't. Anyone have any suggestions?
Aside from that, I think this is really great. For the last seventy or so years, new buildings have been devoid of the beautiful, distinguishing sculptures that used to adorn every building out there--the columnades, the lions heads, the leafy designs, all that stuff that you only find on/around the ritziest places now. Hopefully we can get back to having architecture that's creative and beautiful rather than creative and hideous (that's MIT's Stata, designed by Frank Gehry, if you don't follow these things).
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This is lovely, but beyond the means of the average /.er.
With a little ingenuity and, say, $100,000 you can build your own and save a bundle.
McRae and Sons Inc., the last US paint brush handle factory, builds their own 4 axis 3D wood carving machines for considerably less. The same principles can be applied to carving stone.
McRae's machines rely on Actek Inc. motion controllers, though manufacturers abound. You might be surprised how many are amenable to working with amatures.
Check eBay - no kidding - for cheap machines that can be canibalized or restored.
If we knew what we were doing, it wouldn't be called research, would it? ~ Albert Einstein
The Italians can fix all those broken statues they seem so proud of.
Thank you, try the veal.
. . . just outsource it to a ten-thousand-worker project team of carvers with hand-tools in some third-world country.
Wonder when angelina jolie has a day off to go there ;-) :-(
As I'm not expecting her to come here
Are you sure you are hard enough for her?
As a slashdot reader, surely you should recognise a copyright case, and know the 50 year rule. It's in the public domain now, we're all allowed a copy. Whatever the SIAA (Sculpture Industry Association of America) try to tell you!
Oh, boy! Now we can start preserving all of today's data in really long-lasting form! They should start with instructions of how to build and program one of these machines!
If you could scale down models it would be fantastic. Just imagine the heights of tackyness that could be reached in gardens all over the world!
"The comments this is getting suggest to me that too many people nowadays don't have a clue about manufacturing - and we in the West will surely regret this one day."
Why will we regret having no manufacturing skills?
After all, none of the highly-skilled manufacturing *jobs* will be *here* anyhow.
So why didn't you spell Michelangelo correctly?
Real Daleks don't climb stairs - they level the building.
is anyone else getting visions of the diamond age off of this? that would be rad. :)
-ninjaneer
OK Ms. Portman, stand very still right here, the scanning process will only take a minute...
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... that slashdot takes stone, just like paper.
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well if that's wrong then they spelled it wrong in the first Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles also. IMDb says so, so it must be right.
... look at this other italian site. They build 3D models strate after strate.
www.diegm.uniud.it/ingind15ud/laboratori/fpa.html
Of course you may prefer a translation
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Maybe I can use it to carve my name upon my ex-girlfriend's heart. She left me after 3 years. She said I spend too much time in front of a computer. She wouldn't open the electronic cards I sent her. She's blocked me on AIM. My emails are bouncing. I cannot even ping her anymore. Oh Joyce, forgive me.
Something that copies Scissors and we'll be set!
-Cnik
3D printing in stone?
They've had that for a while!
This whole idea is obsolete before it's really got going. If you want a stone replica of something, outsource the stone-cutting to China or Bangladesh. It's not only cheaper and quicker, it's probably more accurate (if you RTFA in the NY Times, you'll see that the machine's carvings need to be hand-finished).
News sites that make you log in make baby Jesus cry...
[looks at napkin] One 18 inch replica of Stonehenge, coming up!
Duplicating sculptures by methods other than carving directly into stone is nothing new - and milling machines are certainly not a new technology either.
Even Rodin quite often started his work in clay. He sent the original plaster to a person who used a pointing machine invented by Nicolas Gatteaux to do the rudimentary stone carving.
As for milling machines, they have been around forever and come in all sizes and work with all kinds of materials. This one is really good, and the CNC software runs on Linux: http://www.sherline.com/mill.htm
It can be a neat 3D printer, but you need to get versed in machining, which can be very time consuming - especially if you use metal. You can use foam, wood, and lots of different materials.
There was a jolly miller once,
Lived on the river Dee;
He worked and sang from morn till night,
No lark as blithe as he.
And this the burden of his song
Forever used to be,
I care for nobody, no not I,
And nobody cares for me
MAH PENIS
I bet the scanning process is stimulating.
Toybuilders.com
You pretty much send them a CAD drawing or work with them to produce one and they just create it for you using several different methods.
A couple of the methods even produce something wood-like (paper actually) or metal.
"Bah!" - Dogbert
However, the Google translation is really quite funny. Google seems to have got to about the stage that the Japanese translators of manuals into English reached in the early 80s.
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this gets passed into law?
So again, laws were made so that musicians could maintain their income.
But of course, the middlemen came in and usurped the spirit of these laws.
And what's the point in giving a storyteller, songwriter, musician, or visual artist the exclusive right to profit from an original work after he's dead and buried?
Come to think of it though, it would be kind of funny to see them show up in robes in court and have the judge address them as, "Number 26" and so on and so forth.
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...would've been a good idea. I do not, for one, think that the problem was that the site was down. I think that the problem may have been... that there was a server that was in danger of being crushed by a dwarf. Alright? That tended to understate the hugeness of the /. effect.
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We can have a naked and petrified Natalie Portman!!
Forget gnomes; the new lawn ornament fad is the hydrocephalic heads, baboon muzzles, and teardrop shaped eyes of Precious Moments, now that the figurines come in the larger garden size.
Clever.
Also check out:
http://www.precisionlaserart.com - uses lasers to make small fractures in glass;
http://www.prometal.com - uses metal powder to create arbitrary 3D forms;
http://bathsheba.com - artist who uses the above forms;
Note: I've used PrecisionLaserArt for some artwork and had a good experience, so I'm biased...
That's 'free', not like in 'free speech' or 'free beer', but like in:
'I saw the angel in the stone, and wanted to free it' (Michelangelo)
Z?
A beowulf cluster of these would allow everyone to have a copy of Natalie Portman naked and petrified for real! (Hot grits not included).
;-) But let's post AC just to be sure.
One of the few stories where a post like this is actually appropriate
This is old news AFAIK... I've got a ceramic crown that was created in a machine sitting next to me while I waited. Pretty cool and a practical use of the existing technology. http://www.cereconline.com/ecomaXL/index.php?site= Cerec_PatientInfo
^_^ Reminds of Ozy and Millie where they visit the attic and find the collection of life-sized bronze statues of Ozymandias done by his father each year rather than marking his growth on the wall. And yes, one of them was done mid-sneeze.
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One of the worst things that has ever happened, is when Desktop Publishing met the Tombstone industry.
Before Computer driven stone carving, those chiseling your Granpas name on the rock had classic templates, that looked good in stone. Then computers happened, and the bad design that comes with them.
They can squash a font to fit the stone.... Carve an image of the Camaro Junior wrapped around the tree to get that stone. You end up with permanant monuments, that are momumentally ugly and crass.
Often, it was the town alcoholic that had the tombstone business, but at least in the old days, the templates he used to pantograph words into stone, had classic designers, people with taste designing them. Then someone sells a turnkey PC solution, or a mass market mail order solution, with squashed unreadable type, and clip art.
I don't know if that field will ever recover its former grace.
A hundred bucks for a comic book? Who drew it, Michaelmelangelo?
I want a copy of Kryptos, the sculpture in the courtyard at the CIA's headquarters, in my front yard!
http://elonka.com/kryptos/
-Cybrex
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Sounds like the closest shave a man can get.
I sincerely hope that someone takes the next step and makes this available to the home user. You upload your 3D model, they mill it and send it to you. Maybe that's already possible, but I can't RTFA right now, unfortunately. How much does one of these fancy-schmancy diamond mill machines cost, anyway? How many sculptures do I need to sell before it pays for itself?
I knew we were going to have these by the year 3000 anyway. It'll only be a matter of time before "nappster.com" starts letting you download Lucy Lu, and other famous celebrities onto blank robots.
::pause:: Phillip J. Fry"
.. and to anybody getting any ideas about this, you people are just sick. Relationships between people and robots are just plain immoral.
"Ohh, I'm so impressed by your ability to notice two things
In Jurassic Park III, they show something similar - a fossil of a Velociraptor was used to create a 3D copy of the Raptor's vocal cavity. Dr. Grant used the copy (he blew into one end and a Raptor vocal sound was produced) to confuse the swarming raptors before the helicoptors came to the rescue.
That's ok - the Free Masons will stop them....at least if you know the right handshake.
The Mill 5 is a high-output machine both for online production and for single, one-off pieces. The axes are driven by brushless motors combined with ball bearing screws. Linear guides with ball runners assure lasting quality and precision. All parts are protected by PVC bellows and lubricated with oil by a controlled centralized system.
OMG. Wait until the pron industry gets a load (ahem) of this. I forsee lawsuits....
Fill in missing areas with plaster.
Scan plastered original.
Subtract model of original from plastered original.
Carve the resulting patch models from wood or stone.
Glue absolutely perfect replacement pieces onto original.