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Gene Therapy Turns Slackers Into Workaholics

DrLudicrous writes "According to a recent Reuters article, scientists have been able to cause monkeys to stop procrastinating by blocking the development of a dopamine receptor in the brain. The net result- the monkeys turned into workaholics. An article has appeared in the online version of Nature. Apparently, monkeys, just like human beings, tend to slack off on tasks until the very last minute. They become quite adept at judging how long they have till they absolutely must complete these tasks. The original article appears in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America. An additional blurb appears here courtesty of Science Blog." NIH has a press release.

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  1. Asked when we might see it in humans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The scientists said "We're working on it. We'll get it done soon. Don't worry about it."

    1. Re:Asked when we might see it in humans by sita · · Score: 5, Funny

      Meanwhile, a million workaholic monkeys were making experiments in the lab next door.

    2. Re:Asked when we might see it in humans by lucabrasi999 · · Score: 3, Funny
      a million workaholic monkeys were making experiments in the lab next door.

      Which begs the question, Would a million workaholic monkeys doing lab experiments be able to come up with a cure for cancer more quickly than the slacker human doctors?

      Sorry. Didn't mean to get all philosophical.

    3. Re:Asked when we might see it in humans by MikeDX · · Score: 5, Funny

      Prof Strickland added this comment:

      "No Monkey every ammounted to anything in the history of Gene Therapy"..

      Oh yeah? Well history is gonna change!

    4. Re:Asked when we might see it in humans by nwbvt · · Score: 4, Funny
      No, but they were able to develop aerodynamic shit.

      Ah, monkey jokes. Many a comic has made a living off those.

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    5. Re:Asked when we might see it in humans by jcostantino · · Score: 2, Funny

      Throw in some typewriters and we may get some Shakespeare!

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    6. Re:Asked when we might see it in humans by VivianC · · Score: 5, Funny

      Uh-oh. I think I just heard the death-knell for Slashdot!

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    7. Re:Asked when we might see it in humans by Tackhead · · Score: 5, Funny
      > Throw in some typewriters and we may get some Shakespeare!

      No, AOL has already disproved this hypothesis.

    8. Re:Asked when we might see it in humans by Psmylie · · Score: 5, Funny

      I was under the assumption that monkeys have a higher average IQ then the 12-16 year old AOL set. Besides, maybe all you need to do is translate lines like:
      "Is this a dagger which I see before me..."
      into
      "omgwtflol!!1!"
      to get the rough shakespearian equivilant.

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    9. Re:Asked when we might see it in humans by tbannist · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, AOL has already disproved this hypothesis.

      No, the key here is monkeys are a random string generator. You can't replace a random string generator with a stupid string generator and expect to get the same result.

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    10. Re:Asked when we might see it in humans by TitaniumFox · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The monkey/minute ratio is now an industry-recognized performance metric. I put it on all of my performance reviews for my employees. It's even in my sig.

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    11. Re:Asked when we might see it in humans by bonkedproducer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This site is already testing the theory.

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    12. Re:Asked when we might see it in humans by genner · · Score: 4, Funny

      The problem with the AOL mokey's is that they where all slackers. This might help them.

    13. Re:Asked when we might see it in humans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      "When we set our sights a little lower, we can get some real results."
      "So how many monkeys do you have?"
      "A thousand."
      "Anything come from it?"
      "We've had two Hemingways, a Miller, and a King."
      "King?"
      "Um, yes, uh, Stephen King. 'The Tommyknockers'. In Dutch."

  2. Imagine this.... by Mz6 · · Score: 3, Funny
    Imagine when it gets offered to humans:

    "Billy, go take your medicine...."

    "Ahh... I'll do it tomorrow..."

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    1. Re:Imagine this.... by straybullets · · Score: 2, Funny

      yeah and here on slashdot it's always : "bahh, i'll RTFA tomorow ... "

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    2. Re:Imagine this.... by arivanov · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In fact I imagine it quite clearly. Dopamine deficiency has been clearly linked to Parkinsons decease. So which medicine should Billy be taking? Agh?

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  3. What now??!??! by trp642 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Do we start outsourcing more jobs to monkeys instead of India?


    Liar... Liar...

    1. Re:What now??!??! by Patik · · Score: 3, Funny

      ...and what will become of us when they start hiring Indian monkeys!?

    2. Re:What now??!??! by swordboy · · Score: 2, Funny

      A wise monkey never monkies with another monkey's monkey.

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  4. J.R. "Bob" Dobbs would not approve. by plover · · Score: 5, Funny
    I'm not sure that proving the existance of a "slack" gene is such a good idea. For example, the Church of the Subgenius teaches us that we can all be slackers; now, with the advent of a slack (or anti-slack) gene, there may be a genetic reason I will be rejected by their church.

    Or, maybe, the members who don't have enough slack will have to undergo gene therapy in order to participate.

    Sure, I can see it now: the High Priests of Slack will have a doping scandal.

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    1. Re:J.R. "Bob" Dobbs would not approve. by w3weasel · · Score: 4, Funny

      Tisk, tisk....

      As with most 'normals' you severely mis-understand what is meant by "slack".

      I would tell about what it really means, but that would mean a host of /.'ers crowding up the spaceships when the venutian sex-goddesses come to rescue us sub-geneii.

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    2. Re:J.R. "Bob" Dobbs would not approve. by Tackhead · · Score: 2, Insightful
      > I would tell about what it really means, but that would mean a host of /.'ers crowding up the spaceships when the venutian sex-goddesses come to rescue us sub-geneii.

      So? I've got until 8661 to send in my $30! I can wait!

      (Hey, it's not my fault that "Bob" read the damn date for the Arrival upside down and backwards.)

  5. Worker Monkey by Launch · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yes! Finally science has found a cure for my procrastination, now where can I get one of these worker monkeys?

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  6. I was going to have the first post by Patik · · Score: 4, Funny

    But it can wait.

  7. Oh the audacity by savagedome · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Apparently, monkeys, just like human beings, tend to slack off on tasks until the very last minute.

    Shouldn't it read "Apparently, human beings, just like monkeys, tend to slack off on tasks until the very last minute.

    What with the evolution and all!

    1. Re:Oh the audacity by famebait · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, evidently evolution can run backwards sometimes:

      They become quite adept at judging how long they have till they absolutely must complete these tasks.

      The monkeys actually have one up on us!
      Me, I'm still holding out for a monkey with four asses.

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    2. Re:Oh the audacity by shufler · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Evolution shows we didn't decend from monkeys, but rather monkeys and humans decended from a common ancestor.

      Either phrasing is correct, though the original makes more sense since, as humans, we already know that we like to slack.

    3. Re:Oh the audacity by Chreo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not so fast. The hominid branch of evolution is placed within the "tree" of apes which is placed within the tree of monkeys, to be more specific on the branch of "Old World monkeys". Since hominids arose from within the monkey "tree" it is correct to call us "evolved monkeys". Our most recent common ancestor (that still is around today) is the chimps (with all the chimp speciecs on the very same branch). The most recent common ancestor to humans-chimps are the gorillas and outside that clade, the orangutangs (yes there are actually two species of orangs).

      For some research: http://www.biol.lu.se/cellorgbiol/phylogeny/Resear ch/JME98_47p718-727.pdf

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    4. Re:Oh the audacity by hal9000 · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Monkeys split off into homanids, whcich spurred a few failed attempts (neandrathals, hom-habilis, etc) and then finally us."

      Yes, but meanwhile monkeys also evolved away from that branch point. It is theoretically possible that our common monkey ancestor still exists, unchanged, as a modern species. But it's not likely.

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    5. Re:Oh the audacity by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 3, Funny
      Our most recent common ancestor (that still is around today) is the chimps (with all the chimp speciecs on the very same branch).

      Wouldn't hat branch collapse with so many jabbering apes sitting on it? Or maybe, it's just a very sturdy tree.

  8. No, not that gene... by sita · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm looking for something quite the opposite...

  9. Half-Life ships! by joseph+schmo · · Score: 5, Funny

    Apparently, Valve got their hands on some of this stuff...

  10. Oh Great by ALeavitt · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Cue all the parents of kids with "ADD" to start another Ritalin trend. When are people going to learn that, to some extent, we are the way we are. People learn differently from each other. People work differently from each other. Just because one person doesn't like to sit down and read from a textbook for two hours straight doesn't make him a deviant in need of drug (or gene) therapy, it means that he doesn't learn that way. While I wouldn't consider myself a slacker, I also wouldn't consider myself a workaholic, but the contributions that I make around my office are valuable because they are different from the contributions of those around me, and one reason for that difference is that I think and work differently. If everyone thought and learned the same way, as the current generation of attitude-changing psychiatrists is attempting to cause, we'd have a nation of mindless, workaholic zombies with few differences between one person and another.

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    1. Re:Oh Great by Ancil · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...we'd have a nation of mindless, workaholic zombies with few differences between one person and another.

      John Ashcroft called. He wants to know when we can start putting this stuff in the water supply.

    2. Re:Oh Great by beamz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Learning and producing are two different things even though they require some degree of thought. New things or processes tend to intriuge people more than doing repetitive or already learned things. You attempt to point out that people learn differently but don't explain how creativity has anything to do with productivity.

      ADD is not a black and white diagnosis but it is debilitating to many people. It prevents them from starting and finishing things which could be as simple as drawing a picture or remembering to feed their cat. Ritalin isn't a trend and ADD itself has had exposure in cases with children but research is beginning to show more and more that adults suffer from it too. The key point is "suffer", it's not about creative learning, it's about a hope for some sort of "normal" living where you don't put your keys in the kitchen and spend 30 minutes looking for them because you forgot where you put them.

    3. Re:Oh Great by ALeavitt · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I knew I should have added this to my original posting:

      I've been diagnosed with ADD and prescribed Ritalin. I have to tell you, I think it's complete bullshit. The doctor who diagnosed me called me the "posterboy" for late ADD diagnosis. Yes, sometimes I have trouble finishing what I've started. My room is constantly a mess, and I lose things easily. However, I am an engineering student at a good university, and I get pretty good grades, too. I can buckle down and study when I need to, and I can finish my tasks if I put my mind to it. When I take Ritalin, I feel, for lack of a better word, zombified. Yes, I can focus on anything, but my personality changes. My friends can tell when I'm on my Ritalin, and because of the way it makes me feel, I've pretty much stopped taking it. It had no effect on my grades, it didn't make my room any cleaner, and it didn't help me find things. I really do believe that there are people who need Ritalin, and who are much worse off than me in their ADD. However, that doesn't stop Ritalin from being a trendy drug, and it doesn't change the fact that doctors are quick to diagnose ADD. I just believe that in many cases there are better solutions than drugs (or gene therapy) to problems, but as a society we are very quick to take the easy way out that a drug like that can provide.

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    4. Re:Oh Great by mariox19 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe the start of this thread expresses the suspicion that plenty of kids are prescribed Ritalin even though they may not have ADD. Lots of people suspect that.

      I don't doubt there is such a thing as ADD; neither do I doubt, however, that there is such a thing as disinterested parents that would just as soon feed their kid a pill than spend time finding out what the real problem is, or if there is in fact a real problem.

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    5. Re:Oh Great by Ioldanach · · Score: 4, Interesting
      When I take Ritalin, I feel, for lack of a better word, zombified.
      So try another one, like the only FDA approved treatment for ADHD/ADD in adults: Strattera. I started on a course of treatment for it a few months ago and my concentration is way up without being a zombie. In fact, I'm more alert than ever and can process inputs, like speech, better than I used to be able to. One of my big problems was always that I had to have something written down because then I could look at it again and again, but speech only comes as input once, so I'd have to ask to have things repeated. I knew I'd heard them right the first time, I just couldn't remember what was said, since my mind would randomly wander in the middle of a sentence.
    6. Re:Oh Great by LordKaT · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I knew I'd heard them right the first time, I just couldn't remember what was said, since my mind would randomly wander in the middle of a sentence.

      But, that's ADHD/ADD. While I'm not the parent poster, I share a similar experience. I'm a Computer Science major, and I've found is somewhat difficult to complete tasks - these are just tasks that are ones I place upon myself, with no set limit. These tasks (cleaning a room, making a small program, whatever) are almost never finished (unless it really bugs me, like my room is a complete mess right now); however, I can finish tasks that have a deadline (like an english paper, or the class project in my compiler design class, etc ...)

      When I confronted my doctor on the subject, he didn't hesitate to disagnose it as ADHD. That's the problem we have: it's something elses fault. It's not because I'm a naturally lazy fuck (I would rather watch television all day than do something productive).

      While you may actually have a serious problem with paying attention, that same problem only happens to me because I'm a lazy fuck, or I'm already concentrating on something; for example, when I'm driving, I find it VERY difficult to have a conversation with someone because I'm constantly asking "what did you say?" I don't count that as ADHD, I count that as a heuristic computer focusing on one task, then being forced to concentrate on multiple tasks.

      Yet, my Doctor spent no more than three minutes to "diagnose" the problem.

    7. Re:Oh Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      for example, when I'm driving, I find it VERY difficult to have a conversation with someone because I'm constantly asking "what did you say?" I don't count that as ADHD, I count that as a heuristic computer focusing on one task, then being forced to concentrate on multiple tasks.

      I consider being hard to talk to while driving one of the hallmarks of a good driver... it shows you have your priorities straight.

    8. Re:Oh Great by ALeavitt · · Score: 2, Informative

      Hey troll-boy, calm down. I said that Ritalin turned me into a zombie. I didn't say, "Ritalin will turn you into a zombie, it's wrong for everyone and ADD is bullshit." Read the post before you give a kneejerk response to it. I said that in many of the cases in which Ritalin is prescribed, it is either unnecessary or improperly prescribed. This is true. Doctors hand it out like candy. That doesn't mean that it doesn't help people, it simply means that in many cases, people with a prescription for Ritalin shouldn't have one. Look at the constantly rising number of prescriptions to Ritalin and tell me: are we breeding more and more children with attention deficits, or are we growing more and more eager to correct any perceived difference in learning style, no matter how small, by prescribing a catch-all drug that may not even be the correct prescription?

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    9. Re:Oh Great by teromajusa · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "There is actually a treatment for Autism that is a change in diet and increase in nutritional supplements that has been proven to work in a few hundred patients."

      There is no scientific evidence backing nutritional treatment of autism. Evidence for it is entirely anecdotal. Usually the person who has improved under a special diet has also been undergoing other treatments such as behavioral therapy so causality is hard to establish. In addition, gaging improvement is pretty subjective.

      Personally, I'm very sceptical of claims that diet is the cause or the cure for problems. For virtually any disorder out there, there is someone advancing a diet that can treat it, like depression anger bad sex or aging. I think people just like to feel they are in control of things, and controlling what they eat gives them that feeling.

  11. It's a Brave New World by BarryNorton · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... Seriously, read it (if you haven't).

    1. Re:It's a Brave New World by kfg · · Score: 2, Informative

      And then go rent Modern Times.

      KFG

  12. Mental Disorder. by LEgregius · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The reason the monkeys worked harder was that they could no longer judge how much work had to be done before they got a reward. Essentially, they became unable to estimate how long the work would take to complete. I don't think this has any practical application for humans. It's just helpful for understanding existing human mental disorders.

    1. Re:Mental Disorder. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
      Essentially, they became unable to estimate how long the work would take to complete.
      So you're saying they turned into software developers?
    2. Re:Mental Disorder. by keymygrip · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I agree with this. It seems that the reason the monkeys became workaholics is that they were paranoid that what they needed to do would not get done. I would much rather procrastinate and get bitten for being wrong about how long it would take for something to get done instead of living my life in complete terror that I was not going to be able to get anything done in time when in fact I was doing a tremendous amount of work.

    3. Re:Mental Disorder. by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Funny
      Essentially, they became unable to estimate how long the work would take to complete.
      So you're saying they turned into software developers?
      I would have thought "Marketing Department" or "Government Contractors." myself.
    4. Re:Mental Disorder. by Wylfing · · Score: 2, Interesting
      The reason the monkeys worked harder was that they could no longer judge how much work had to be done before they got a reward.
      I agree with this.

      Double agree. If we find widespread use of a genetically-determined behavior in ourselves and our close evolutionary relatives, the proper lesson is that there is survival benefit to this behavior. Grandparent probably got it right -- it's a talent for judging how much work needs to be done so you can conserve bioenergy and local resources.

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  13. Irony by liquidsin · · Score: 4, Funny

    So here I am reading /. at work to find out about how to stop slacking off. Good thing I'm too lazy to read the article.

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  14. What will happen to slashdot by Launch · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If it wasn't for procrastination, would there even be a slashdot? I mean, how many of you out there are at work right now reading this when you really should be doing something else... Just throwing that into the mix.

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  15. Gimme some! by DarkGreenNight · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I suppose this used sparingly could become useful for those that find it hard to concentrate on work.

    At least until your company makes you take one of this before going to work. Or you find yourself "forced" to do so in order to remain competitive with the rest of the workforce.

    (I didn't RTFA) I hope there are no ugly secondary effects for long time users of this drug. Otherwise you'll find people that shine at work but then arribe home and hardly do anything but sit there staring the walls.

  16. Why is this so bad.... by Pez+Maker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What is really so bad with slacking, or procrastinating? What is so great about getting something done right away? I'm no scientist or a study in psychology, but could there perhaps be a reason, a very valid reason, we slack and procrastinate? Perhaps it helps keep us sane?
    I, for one, do not want to live in a world where slacking and procrastinating are eliminated by a pill.

    Pez

    1. Re:Why is this so bad.... by Scarblac · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What is so great about getting something done right away?

      That you don't have that constant "hey, psst, remember, you need to do x!" reminder in your head, that you can't turn off.

      Things cause less stress when you do them immediately.

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    2. Re:Why is this so bad.... by drooling-dog · · Score: 2, Interesting
      The trick there is knowing when to stop "incubating" and just start making stuff!

      For me, procrastination seems related to anxiety in some way. I know that I should start doing a task now, but I don't feel like it. Why don't I feel like it? Because thinking about starting the task puts me on edge. Maybe I'm afraid that there will be difficulties, or that something will go wrong, or that it will take longer than I think, or that the results will be disappointing (to me or - worse - to someone else). Could the same kind of "edginess" over initiating something be a key stage of motivation in some people, but inhibitory to others?

  17. Re:Am I a monkey..... by sita · · Score: 5, Funny

    Since when do monkeys understand what a timeline or due date is?

    They don't need to properly understand it. They can be your boss anyway.

  18. I wouldn't quite call them 'workaholics'... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have read the article and I think the headline is a bit misleading. Blocking the dopamine made the monkeys pull the lever quicker because they couldn't make decisions properly. It didn't motivate them or make them super-workers, it just messed with how they think so they wouldn't hesitate to pull a lever.

    Later on in the article, it mentions how people with mental disorders cannot associate work with reward. It goes on to say that people with mania will often work very hard to a futile reward. Sort of like monkeys who pull levers all day.

    In other words, have they created manic monkeys?

  19. Oh, wait... by FatTux · · Score: 2, Funny

    Im sure Pat Volkerding already works a lot!...

  20. The Speed of Dark by Beolach · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Anyone read The Speed of Dark ? It's a good book (although it has a depressing ending, IMO). Oh, and just to stay on topic... one of the central plots in the book is an experimental treatment to cure Autism, and to make people workaholics.

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  21. This Just In... by SnapShot · · Score: 5, Funny

    From the Financial Desk...

    Dateline 2004.08.12...

    Shares of the popular slacker/hacker website Slashdot fell 97% this morning on news that gene therapy can cure procrastination.

    (c) 2004 Reuters

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  22. Monkeys by hcetSJ · · Score: 4, Funny

    After the study, the monkeys proceeded to work out not only their script for Hamlet, but also the complete works of Francis Bacon, and the source to SCO Unix.

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  24. Close but not quite. by 955301 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Which begs the question...

    Nope, it prompts the question, not begs the question. You would be begging the question if you declared that the million workaholic monkeys would come up with a cure for cancer more quickly because clearly they would work more per day.

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  25. The capitalism gene? by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I can imagine companies doing genetic screening for the workaholic gene.

    Parents, make sure your fetus gets that gene therapy it'll need to compete in the global marketplace!

    Oh yah, and try to enjoy life sometimes.

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  26. Slacking off may be an advantage, though by ianscot · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Evolution may not favor hard working, zealous worker bees nearly as much as we think. After all, there are plenty of people around you who make a pretty good living on social skills rather than any especial work ethic. Where did these people come from? Generations of hard-working, industrious ancestors? Hmm.

    Leave human beings alone and take beavers. Beavers are held up as a sort of Horatio Alger example of what hard work can bring to the humble, right? It's just not true. Beavers work pretty hard in the fall, to shore things up before winter -- but they take a long break during the height of the summer, during which they do stuff like swim upstream or downstream looking for other beaver colonies to party with and scouting for new lodge locations and stands of aspen they might want to snack on. A whole lot of their time is spent pretty easily; at most you'd say they were engaged in "open-ended planning" about how to build on that next addition to the lodge or whatever -- sort of like gardeners during the winter thinking out their next planting.

    Evolution doesn't seem to favor supermotivated nose-to-the-grindstone workers any more than it produces superfast rabbits or superbig brains. Apparently a nice medium-fast rabbit is best. Someone who can work and play, both, is apparently the superior model of human.

    (He said while posting to /. at work.)

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    1. Re:Slacking off may be an advantage, though by hey! · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's so true. Evolution has a different standard than your boss, or that part of your mind that plays the part of the boss. What they have produced are defective monkeys that happen to be better (according to some arbitrary standard) at a task.

      It is impossible to create a biological model for procrastination because objectively there is no such thing as procrastination. Deciding that you are procrastinating always involves a value judgement that A would be a "better" way to spend your time than B.

      What people experience when they "procrastinate" is conflicting priorities. Thus, most strategies people have for dealing with procrastination are ineffective, because they are chasing a will 'o the wisp. They say things to themselves like "I have to have more willpower" or "I have to be more disciplined", or "I have to manage my time better". What they really need to do is two things: learn to weigh their priorities more effectively when deciding how to spend their time, and learn to set their priorities more effectively by getting more empirical data. That way, when it's time to knock off an have a beer, you know it's the right thing to do and you can enjoy your beer rather than obsessing about what you aren't doing.

      For example, you may be putting off cleaning up and organizing your desk, and maybe it bothers you. It's not the messy desk that's bothering you, it's the unresolved conflict between prioties for how you use your time. You have to ask yourself, how important is it to me to have a neat desk? What the advantages and disadvantages of using your time this way? Maybe you think one of the disadvantages is that it will suck spending your time filing stuff. You can try filling one or two things, then ask yourself, "Did that suck enough to outweigh the value of having my things organized?" If it does, then maybe you should spend your time readling slashdot instead.

      It's kind of funny that this came up, because recently I changed my sig (see below) after thinking about procrastination. If you learn to think your priorities through, you often find surprising insights as to why you aren't doing something you "ought" to be doing. Once you take this stance towards procrastination, it seems incredibly obvious. So obvious that when I read the headline I thought to myself, "What could it possibly mean for monkeys to make better decisions about how they use their time?" Of course, what they did was the exact opposite: they screwed up the monkey's reward mechanisms so they couldn't weight rewards and costs of an activity effectively.

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  27. A Deepness in the Sky (Vernor Vinge) by Artius · · Score: 2, Informative

    In "A Deepness in the Sky", the evil-doers (not to be confused with axis-of-evil members) were able to "focus" people they enslaved to make them hundreds or thousands of times more productive workers. This article made me think of that so I posted it.

  28. just what we need by phyruxus · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Ok, lets say this drug has no side-effects and is efficacious for the long term (it doesn't crap out after x months).

    After the party dies down at the GOP and in the Management offices around the world, what's this going to do to our society? (Even presuming its effect on the economy is positive)

    First, Workaholic parents put work before family. Now, I know some uber-management asshat somewhere is saying "Great!" but lets think about this for 1 microsecond at least. Parents working 23.5 hours per day -> kids raised by TV & school system -> not very smart kids, who (being workaholics) know everything about trig and all the lines of Hamlet. But, kids don't feel loved, and have lots of emotional/social problems (requiring more drugs & therapy). This is a good outcome? Noooo....

    No matter how dedicated you are, after around 38 hours per week, your productivity dips. Yes, that means you with the Lexus and the gold Timex. Staring at your secretary's boobs doesn't count as "work".

    Let's say that our society can adjust as needed (I'm not saying it could, I'm saying let's just say it did, nevermind how). Let's say productivity per worker DOES go up (cots in cubes, working weekends, and presume I'm wrong about diminishing returns of productivity). Great for business right? Well, yeah. Those of us/you who are already wealthy and have $$ in the market, might see a stock bump. Meanwhile, 15% of the workforce is laid off. Oh, yeah well.. at least my stock is up. That 15% isn't coming back. That's not gonna help the economy. It may or may not help the richest of the rich.

    Now imagine what it's going to be like to be on this drug. You don't mind working 10 hours per day, cause your brain chemistry is in tune with that. Meanwhile, your home life goes to utter shit. Your spouse hates you. Your kids stop loving you. You'd go to church for solace (if you're that type) but, mandatory unpaid weekend overtime is enforced because "no one minds working overtime anymore, and if they do, they're fired and replaced before the workflow is impacted."

    This might have an application, somewhere. But we should enact legislation NOWNOW NOW!!! to ensure that the use of this (or similar) drugs can NEVER become mandatory or even suggested.

    Work-aholic... now where did that suffix come from?

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    1. Re:just what we need by Tackhead · · Score: 3, Interesting
      > Now, I know some uber-management asshat somewhere is saying "Great!" but lets think about this for 1 microsecond at least. Parents working 23.5 hours per day -> kids raised by TV & school system -> not very smart kids, who (being workaholics) know everything about trig and all the lines of Hamlet. But, kids don't feel loved, and have lots of emotional/social problems (requiring more drugs & therapy). This is a good outcome? Noooo....

      If you're the government, it's the ideal outcome. The solution is you raise taxes (the economy's growing, and your workers aren't working for rewards, so they can "afford" the cost), to hire more (drugged-up) maniacal teachers, to teach the unhappy (drugged-up) students, and of course, subsidize the pharmaceutical companies producing the stuff. A slave army 300,000,000 strong!

      > Those of us/you who are already wealthy and have $$ in the market, might see a stock bump. Meanwhile, 15% of the workforce is laid off.

      The government subsidizes the drug for the unemployed, and makes taking it a precondition of receiving welfare. The 15% will find something to do (even if it's just staying at home to farm Everquest loot 23 hours a day and eBaying it for a net of about $5/hour).

      > Now imagine what it's going to be like to be on this drug. You don't mind working 10 hours per day, cause your brain chemistry is in tune with that. Meanwhile, your home life goes to utter shit. Your spouse hates you. Your kids stop loving you.

      Your kids are working 10 hours a day in school, and don't mind, because their brain chemistry is also in tune with that.

      And what the fuck is your spouse doing at home when she could be taking the drug and working 10 hours a day too?

      She'll need to be working, especially with the taxes we'll all be paying for the army of zombified cops to hammer down on the defectives who react poorly to the drug.

      From the standpoint of any government from Moscow to Beijing to Washington, this is a big win.

      > This might have an application, somewhere. But we should enact legislation NOWNOW NOW!!! to ensure that the use of this (or similar) drugs can NEVER become mandatory or even suggested.

      I agree. Because if Congress passes a law that says "Monkeydrug must NEVER become mandatory", all we need is to have a rider bill two years from now (when all the fuss has died down) that says "Remove the word NEVER from section 1924.86, paragraph (c), and inserts the word "after", followed by a date [two years from now plus a week] after the word "Mandatory".

  29. Now that Bangles song is stuck in my head... by Throtex · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's just another manic monkey... whoa whoa

  30. I can't wait... by phyruxus · · Score: 2, Funny
    ..to eat that monkey.

    mmmmmmmmm.

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    "d'Oh!" ~Homer
    1. Re:I can't wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
      ..to eat that monkey.
      There's no wrong way, to eat a rhesus.
  31. when will we start giving this stuff to our kids? by Adolph_Hitler · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When will all kids by default be forced to take this pill so they can do their homework? How long before this pill is forced on you by your employers? I don't like the idea but the idea is useful, I just don't think working "harder" matters very much though. For some people working harder would get them into an elite school, but working harder only leads to working harder, you get a more difficult job, you get longer hours, and you get more responsibilities, wheres the reward? Isnt it logical to ask this question? its not that people are lazy, people just don't like to work when they can play.

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  32. Not a slacker gene! by Keighvin · · Score: 5, Informative

    Even though the terms gene therapy are being bandied about in conjunction with this story, there is no such thing as a slacker gene.

    What the experiment did here was essentially introduce a learning disorder into the primates, using a method to inhibit a dopamine (specific kind of neurotransmitter) generating process in a localized area. This made it impossible for the primates to connect the visual stimulus indicating the number of tasks remaining and the introduction of a reward - hence the completion criteria becomes effectively decoupled through this dissociation and they have no clue when they will be rewarded.

    This does not translate well into humans, which have several other cues that can connect activity with the expectation of reward. The induced learning dissability would have to cover these as well, and would have a disastrous societal effect; no effective expectation of reward also translates to reduced expectation of punishment.

    Alternatively this same behavior could be produced in the workplace without the chemistry by having managers arbitrarily provide discipline and praise. This technique has been known for some time, and even quantized into a specific practice (though without conscious concession to this premise as the genesis for the method) in the awful book "The One Minute Manager," whereby an environment is constructed to remove personal validation of the employees and place the entirety of that role on the manager, who is then free to act illogically (or semi-logically, personality and cluefulness depending) in their delivery of the same.

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  33. A comparison. by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Wage slave that works as little as possible, putting off things to the last possible moment: Slacker.

    Corporation that uses just in time logistics, so that it doesn't have to lease warehouse space, corporation that produces just enough to meet demand: A winner that everyone, shareholders and pundits, raves about.

    Conclusion: It sucks to be a wage slave.

  34. And in the meantime... by sixteenraisins · · Score: 2, Funny

    Apparently, monkeys, just like human beings, tend to slack off on tasks until the very last minute. They become quite adept at judging how long they have till they absolutely must complete these tasks.

    And in the meantime, we read /.

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  35. Detrimental effect on Slashdot by raider_red · · Score: 4, Funny

    If they start rolling this out for human consumption, then Slashdot's ad revenues could take a bath. After all, this is everyone's favorite means for procrastination at the office.

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  36. Your new employment terms. by CountBrass · · Score: 5, Funny

    Section 2 Subsection 3.1

    The employee, herein after known as the "code monkey" shall, at their own expense, take such measures as are necessary to ensure their dopamine receoptors are suppressed. Failure to take such action and to be in the office with unsuppressed receptors shall be deemed, at the company's discretion, as gross misconduct and subject to summary dismissal without notice.

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  37. Hey...we don't appreciate being called monkeys... by Necromancyr · · Score: 4, Funny

    You know, I'm getting really tired of this calling Graduate Students monkeys thing. It has to stop.

  38. Infinitely Better? by tarsi210 · · Score: 2, Funny

    So, would an infinite number of workaholic monkeys in a room generate Shakespeare that much faster?

    "Ford!" he said, "there's an infinite number of monkeys outside who want to talk to us about this script for Hamlet they've worked out." -- Arthur, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

  39. Risperdal helps me work by MichaelCrawford · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Risperdal is a dopamine blocker, I think, and helps my concentration.

    Last fall when I was hallucinating and paranoid because of my schizoaffective disorder, I was completely unable to focus on my work for several months, and got absolutely nothing done.

    The psychiatrist I saw about it said that I had psychotic breakthrough symptoms, and this would make it difficult to concentrate. Such symptoms are the result of too much dopamine activity in the brain.

    My dose was raised from 3 mg a day to 5, and after a few weeks of time off to recover, I was able to start working productively again.

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  40. Slacking is the root of all progress by claytongulick · · Score: 5, Insightful

    All technological breakthroughs are driven by one common underlying theme: laziness.

    Or in technical terms "quality of life".

    Runnning water is great, now we don't have to carry buckets from the well, washing machines are great, now we don't need to stand around all day bent over a washboard, etc, etc...

    The predominant measure of quality of life is how much time is spent on relaxation/recreation v/s work. By genetically redefining the meaning of quality of life, we threaten that which has driven all human progress.

    If, at a genetic level, I _enjoy_ spending 12 hours bent over a washboard, what motivation is there to develop a washing machine?

    If no one will buy the new widget that saves them 15 minutes doing task X, what motivation is there for a company to spend money on R & D to develop the time saving widget?

    In closing, let me be the first to welcome our new hypo-manic overlords... the lithium is in the fridge.

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    1. Re:Slacking is the root of all progress by microTodd · · Score: 2

      Don't confuse "laziness" with "efficiency".

      OK, so let's say I invent a new lawnmower so I can cut the grass in half the time. Does that mean I now spend that half drinking beer? Maybe, but it also means I can spend that other half pruning bushes or something, and overall I can get *more* work done. That's not a symptom of laziness, its a desire to get more things accomplished.

      As a sysadmin, do you write that perl script cause you're lazy? No, you write it so that repetetive task can get done quickly while you work on other things.

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  41. Never for our benefit - always for somebody else by Danathar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I find it interesting that whenever we read about a possible discovery that could "enhance" a normal human (like the recent slashdot article on the mouse that got muscles from injections) or this one that scientists ALWAYS take great pains to point out that their research is ALWAYS to "understand" or to help people with disorders.

    Why CANT we do research on human enhancement? What's ethically wrong with looking for ways to make us "Better...stronger...faster...smarter" by science? It's as if there is some un-written rule somewhere that most medical researchers that say " Though shalt not ever engage in research for the purpose of enhancing humans over the norm"

  42. Reading Slashdot is procrastinating by saha · · Score: 5, Funny

    I procrastinate at work by starting my morning reading Slashdot, Wired, OSNews, BBC news, NY Times, Washington Post, The Economist, Google World News, The Register, LA Times, and more ....shit its lunch time already...

  43. Humans descended... by hashwolf · · Score: 2, Funny

    from a common slacker ancestor.

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  44. Well Hitler... by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you'd read the article, you'd know that the "increase in work and concentration" is brought about by the supression of the monkeys ability to look forward to the eventual reward. The reason there is no slacking and or daydreaming is because the neural mechanisims have been surpressed. At the same time, other, more useful neural mechanisims, ALSO have been surpressed.

    Thus, this would only have very limited benefits for anyone working a non-repetitive job. Might do wonders for garbage collectors though. The whole thing sniffs a little of "Brave New World".

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    1. Re:Well Hitler... by teromajusa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And if you'd read the entire article, you'd see that they are not developing this for use on humans, but as an investigative tool to help understand how the reward system works. No one has yet suggested that such a supression system is useful for humans.

    2. Re:Well Hitler... by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, I did read the whole article. Normally I disagree that knowing how and doing are pretty much the same thing, but, in this case, I'd be surprised if it didn't make it to people sooner or later.

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    3. Re:Well Hitler... by daem0n1x · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Don't be naive, man. One thing I learned in this world is: "If they can, they will".

    4. Re:Well Hitler... by teromajusa · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't know who 'they' are, but consider this: pharmeceutical companies still need to convince people to take the drugs they produce. This drug, if it has very negative cognative effects, will be a hard sell. We're still pretty far from the point where people can be forced to take drugs against their will. Maybe some day, but they'll probably have far more sinister drugs by the time that day arrives.

    5. Re:Well Hitler... by daem0n1x · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Millions of people around the world sniff coke and shoot heroin. Coke not only is highly injuring by itself, I saw on TV how they manufacture it, and it involves yummy stuff like gasoline and sulphuric acid. They sniff and shoot it, to get high, until their brains melt.
      Others smoke tobacco like crazy, others eat junk food loaded with chemicals, others drink booze, and so on. People drive cars and motorcycles like they were in a racing track. Others skip nights of sleep to dance all night, leading to deafness and nervous problems. LOTS of people work too much, leading to serious health problems, kids with traumas, divorces, etc.
      Why do you think those "be a workaholic" pills wouldn't be used? I'm already seeing the ads: "Get money and success, we'll tell you how".

  45. Evolutionary Benefit to Slacking? by Nutcase · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Um.. maybe it's just me, but perhaps both Humans and Monkeys slacking is because there is some evolutionary benefit for us to do so?

    I dunno what it would be, but it seems that it is a theme. Maybe it's conservation of energy... only take actions you HAVE to take, instead of stressing your body unnecisarilly (sic (i know it's WAY off, but I'm too lazy to look it up. Which fits my point nicely.))...

    We spend all this time making technology to make ourselves more efficient, but we dont use that efficiency to work less... we use it to work more. Which is stupid. I don't believe my reason for being on this earth is to buckle down and do more work. I think its to learn and play and do interesting things. Which I suppose is why all the truly happy people have jobs that are exactly what they do for fun too. They play all the time.

    Renewable Resources + Proper Planning + Automation = Semi-Permanent vacation. (in a utopic idealist vision anyway)

    Oh well.. I hope there was a coherent point in there somewhere. But it's doubtful.

  46. another step closer to.... by zogger · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... what the globalist technofeudalist billionaire overlords want--willing serfs. Add in implanted RFID chips, remote controlled drug delivery, then this type of drug, you start to get a lot closer to the alpha to epsilon society. You will learn your place, and stay in your place, slave, and like it, literally.

  47. Re:when will we start giving this stuff to our kid by Feanturi · · Score: 4, Interesting

    its not that people are lazy, people just don't like to work when they can play.

    That seems to be exactly what this is about though. The work *is* the reward (feels good to get things done) when this D2 receptor gets zapped by their little DNA injection. A more difficult job and longer hours sounds like hell, but maybe in this altered state you'd actually enjoy that and find the challenge welcome.
    I'll be the first to say that's no way to live, but many people are forced into that lifestyle anyway, so perhaps they can be helped to at least enjoy it without splattering their brains all over their office wall.

  48. Slashdot is procrastinating?? by Agent+Green · · Score: 2, Funny

    I had no idea! :)

    Let's rename this website to Slackdot...if it doesn't reflect a bunch of the readership, it'll reflect at least a handful of the dupe editors. :)

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  49. Laziness is powerful by Lispy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I am a lazy person. That doesnt make me unproductive. I try to get my stuff done really fast so I can watch StarTrek or do some funstuff with my Linuxbox/girlfriend.

    I keep my flat clean and organized since I hate searching thru all the cupboards for the carkeys.

    I write shellscripts that make my work easier and if only I was smarter I would invent something really useful that makes all our lifes easier (like the car or the microwave). Most inventions are there to have more time for laziness. Never underestimate the power of laziness.

  50. Ah, the Paradox Pill by Thedalek · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Hypthetical situation: I am a chronic procrastinator. I find that this is something that I don't particularly like about myself, and I'd like to change it, especially since I have a deadline rushing up, ready to swoop past if I don't get my doomaflotchy prototype ready before the big convention.

    So here's the question: If I have so much trouble staying on-task that I can't finish a major project on which my reputation, credibility, and livlihood depend, when am I going to get around to heading to the nearest facility to offer this gene-therapy treatment? Even if it was in a pill form, it would probably be prescription only, and even if it was OTC, I'd still have to go to the pharmacy.

    So, it seems likely that, if this ever sees the light of day in humans, we'll be getting a lot of instances of "Quick, I need that DontputitoffXL treatment, and I need it by 3:30 today!"

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  51. Monkeys slack off? by WiggyWack · · Score: 2, Funny

    How do monkeys slack off?

    "Man, I know I should be throwing this poop, but I just don't want to right now."

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  52. Because Early Abusers Poisoned the Concepts by FreeUser · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why CANT we do research on human enhancement? What's ethically wrong with looking for ways to make us "Better...stronger...faster...smarter" by science? It's as if there is some un-written rule somewhere that most medical researchers that say " Though shalt not ever engage in research for the purpose of enhancing humans over the norm"

    Because western society is still smarting from early abuses of the concept of Eugenics (as applied to humans), and the rhetorical hijacking of such notions, by such toxic regimes as the Nazis, Khmere Rouge, Mao, and others, and we have chosen to throw the baby out with the bathwater rather than grapple with such complex and emotionally high-charged subjects in any rational public debate.

    As a result, it will probably not be a western country that first engages in significant planned evolutionary enhancement (e.g. increasing people's intelligence). There are of course other factors (religious dumbing down of the masses, political dumbing down of the masses, corporate dumbing down of the masses) that are particularly pronounced in the United States, but to which even Europe, with its better educated and more critical populace, is not immune. In short, many regimes don't want smarter people, they want dumber people.

    As a result, should scientists develope a way to enhance the intelligence of unborn children (as they have gender selection, and the elimination of many genetic diseases), it will probably be a country like India or China that first applies the technology and moves their people forward through a deliberate act of planned pro-evolution, leaving us behind. Those regimes don't appear to have an issue with intelligent people, chosing instead to control information flow or use other means to insure allegiance instead.

    The real intersting question is that, once left behind like this for emotional, religious, or other irrational reasons, will we ever be able to reach parity again, or does that spell the end of western culture and the ascendance of another, smarter, less irrational culture instead?

    Because rest assured, sooner or later, some group of people are going to choose artificially enhanced intelligence for their children (if not retroactively for themselves), and they will have a significant edge over those of us who remain behind. Decrying it, wishing it weren't so, praying to God, swearing allegiance to America, etc. will do nothing to make it go away, or to help those prosper who will have certainly lost any economic edge they might once have enjoyed.

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    1. Re:Because Early Abusers Poisoned the Concepts by Danathar · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Good reply. Although Genetics is often the case people use when thinking about this subject, there are already drugs on the market that are safe but prescribed for medical conditions that are known to benefit regular people as well.

      A good example that many college students know is Ritalin (Methylphenidate ). I'm just using this as an example, there are others. Ritalin is fairly safe (you can argue this point, but the drug has been on the market for a LONG time). It's well documented that Methylphenidate improves the ability of people WITHOUT ADHD as well as people with the condition.

      There is a reason that college students have tried to get hold of it before taking tests!

      Drug manufacturers have the expertise and knowledge to create substances (non genetic altering substances) that have a variety of effects that are safe.

      But none of them are marketed to people without illness. Why not? Is there some FDA rule that says that a drug designed to improve attention span MUST be only used by people with attention span difficulty?

    2. Re:Because Early Abusers Poisoned the Concepts by norkakn · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Is there some FDA rule that says that a drug designed to improve attention span MUST be only used by people with attention span difficulty?"

      Nope, get a doctor to prescribe it to you and you can legally take it. A whole lot of drugs are prescribed for things that they are not approved for. The approval only determines what the drug can be marketed for. (Pfizer just got sued over this, I think it was neurontin, but they have so man drugs, it is hard to remember)

  53. Re:when will we start giving this stuff to our kid by Curtman · · Score: 2

    A civil servant that doesn't procrastinate, would defy the laws of physics. An object at rest will remain at rest, unless given a swift kick in the ass.

  54. I Can See the Marketing Slogan Now by cgreuter · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Because Our Techno-Dystopia Isn't Hellish Enough.

    How long 'til this becomes mandatory for employment? Or citizenship?

    Me? Pessimistic? Nah.

  55. Re:when will we start giving this stuff to our kid by composer777 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The reward is for those at the top of economic food chain, at least in capitalism. We've more than doubled our productivity since the 1960's. Are people working half as long? no. This is a byproduct of our economic system, if you don't like it, then you need to consider changing it.

    BTW, I agree with you, it is a sham that no matter how much more productive we are, it just ends up leading to more abuse. Of course, being a better slave never made anyone free.

  56. IAAGC... by sean.peters · · Score: 2, Funny

    I am a government contractor... and I can tell you that we're WAAAY more like the monkeys BEFORE the lazy gene blocking.

    Sean

  57. I was going to moderat this post... by Wandering+Wombat · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... but I'm too lazy. I can't see any eventual reward I would see for doing something like that. Hey, I wonder if I can sell moderator points on eBay?

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  58. Re:when will we start giving this stuff to our kid by sita · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When will all kids by default be forced to take this pill so they can do their homework? How long before this pill is forced on you by your employers?

    It will happen in the exact same way as kids, employees and athletes are forced to take other pills that enhance your strength, wits or ability to go on without sleeping. That is, it won't happen generally, but in some sectors it will be rather common. And it will be partly due to the free will of the individual and partly because he is forced or tricked in to using these pills.

  59. Why is this a bad thing. by Irvu · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Apparently, monkeys, just like human beings, tend to slack off on tasks until the very last minute. They become quite adept at judging how long they have till they absolutely must complete these tasks.


    How exactly is this a bad thing? Seriously I know some true workaholics, depressed people who never take time off to relax because they are always pushing themselves to be earlier and earlier and to get yet more things done. Typically the end being acheived is overshadowed by the need to "do" the need to push more units rather than acheive any real effect or even get a good night's sleep. Depressed dot commers, or office slaves who consume a lot of booze.

    The article states that the monkeys are very good at judging just how long each task will take and then, it seems, they do it when necessary. You call it slacking, I call it a combination of good time management and gathering roses while one may. Why should it be the case that everyone be working so far in advance that they burn out like true workaholics?

    IMHO you shouldn't call someone a slacker unless they do nothing, and you shouldn't conclude that not working 24/7 is a sign of poor character, poor genes, or some disease that needs to be "fixed."

    I'm in agreement with the other posters who compared this to Ritalin for ADD kids. Just another non-disease that was manufactured from hysteria and stupidity not real need.
  60. Re:when will we start giving this stuff to our kid by WhoseHouse · · Score: 3, Funny

    The way I figure it, we might as well just give the kids crack. It does the same thing; you get wired, can't stop working, go to Walmart at 2:30 in the morning to get crayons, construction paper, glue and glitter to finish your latest project. Of course, only to through it away the next day and spend the rest of the next day curled up with crossword puzzles and jollyranchers. Not like I would know or anything...

  61. How the APA lusts for this by zazas_mmmm · · Score: 2, Informative
    Americans are so eager to medicate themselves, I'm sure this will take off here if they can ever put it in pill form and approve it for human consumption. Eager parents await. How long until the APA classifies procrastination as a medical condition? Oh wait, they already have.

    The American Psychiatric Association invents diagnoses to perpetuate an industry geared to helping people with these newly discovered and (conveniently) medicinally treatable "diseases." They invent problems. This is discussed in depth in Making Us Crazy By Herb Kutchins, but alternate forms of therapy have been discussed for decades (see Jean Piaget, for example). Undeniably, some severe conditions like Schizophrenia are treatable within the Psychiatric paradigm. Most more pedestrain difficulties--bipolar, depression, ADHD, homosexuality (oh wait, the DSM finally stopped classifying that as mental illness in the 3rd edition!) are best treated with cognitive behavioral therapy. Change the behavior and you change the brain chemistry. Psychotropics are terribly harmful and do nothing to address the underlying behavior that's causing the difficulties.

    It's not inflamatory or wild speculation to say that if this discovery with monkeys makes its way to a human treatment, that it will thrust upon every bored 10 year old who's lacking challenge.

    This message has been brought to you by a person who was diagnosed with ADHD at 15, took ritalin in high school at 16, and who finally, through behavioral changes in his 20s, was retested at 27 and can no longer be diagnosed with ADHD.

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  62. Re:when will we start giving this stuff to our kid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Is working harder necessarily a better thing?

    How many (good) programmers have seen over-zealous newbies write a huge amount of code because they didn't stop, think, and then implement.

    Usually being lazy helps me find the fastest possible way to my destination. And usually it's the most(or one of the most) efficient solution too.

    To programmers, "working" is more about pondering the problem than doing the implementation.

    If we all were super-hard-working people, would we still care about re-use when designing a system? Heck, why have functions, you can just re-type the code when you need it?!

    I believe you have a saying: "Work smarter, not harder."

  63. Will this hurt or help the NIH federal budget... by Shoten · · Score: 2, Funny

    If they consider giving it to federal workers?

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  64. In other news.... by MacGod · · Score: 2, Funny

    And in other news, simian use of Slashdot has dropped by over 80%!

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  65. sounds pretty Vingeian by vesper76 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is anyone else reminded of Focus from Vernor Vinge's A Deepness in the Sky? Kind of scary. (If you haven't read the book, then I highly recommend it. Don't worry that's it's a sequel -- or prequel? -- to another book. You really don't need to have read the first one.)

    On the other hand, a mild version of Focus might not be so bad. Especially if it were people other than me who it was being done to. (Starting to feel like Pham Nuwen...)

  66. Re:when will we start giving this stuff to our kid by the+quick+brown+fox · · Score: 2, Funny

    If the stuff could make me stop surfing /. during the work day, it would way more than offset any negative effects!

  67. Gee, just like Amphetamine by JGski · · Score: 2, Informative

    One thing to notice: what drugs affect the same dopamine receptor? Amphetamine, Methamephetamine, Ritalin, Cocaine, etc. What are the effects of these drugs? Initially anyway, they all improve concentration, focus and the ability to work, just like these monkeys seem to experience. Are there side effects? Gee, duh. This research won't result in a capitalist nirvana any more than handing out Meth to employees would.

  68. The mythical monkey minute by glyph42 · · Score: 3, Funny

    You should write a book on it! "The mythical monkey minute"

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  69. Re:when will we start giving this stuff to our kid by coyote_oww · · Score: 2, Funny

    Boss: Johnson, have you taken your pill today? Johnson: er... no, I was just about to get to that!

  70. Re:when will we start giving this stuff to our kid by Nikker · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why don't they use some of their intelligence to find out why people slack in the first place.

    Some people are depressed, don't like the job that they are doing, etc. That is reality, not a pill that will "magically" get them do "work".
    They forget the problem is not that all employees are lazy, if they care to really put an effort into some research or get grants from someone with intelligence they could find out that you must hire the right people for the job.
    This kinda reminds me of that saying "When you have a hammer all your problems look like a nail".
    Lastly did they ever think that the reason people are slacking is because they don't know what they are doing? How will turbo charging them help?

    To me this sounds like a goverment sponsored narcotic. Cocaine will deliver some of the same results and we look down as we should on users / abusers of these drugs but since this is 'researched' does this open the door to other narcotics being ok? Are abusers just merely people who want to get ahead in life and should get tax breaks for thier habbit?

    Of course have they realized that this will not make anyone do the work *they* want them to do. It will just make them consentrate on what the user feels like doing. Sounds sick to me where do you think it could go from here?

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  71. That stupid phrase again! by MorePower · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I hate it when philosophy types bring this up.

    Look, even if you accept an archaic definition of the word beg (to assume) as still current (which it isn't) the phrase (as used in logic) still doesn't make sense. You're not assuming the question, you're assuming the answer to the question. So the phrase (in logic) should be "Assumes (or begs, if you must) the answer."

    But even if you accept the logic falacy phrase as semsible (which it isn't) that still doesn't preclude other gramatically and semantically correct usage of the phrase, such as "That begs (urgently pleas for) the question [to be asked]: {insert question here}."

    Just because, say, "power triangle" refers to the vector diagram of real, reactive, and apparent power in electronics doesn't mean sombody couldn't refer to a three-sided battery pack, or a group of three nearby power plants as a "power triangle".