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Anti-Phishing Tools

mikeage writes "PCWorld has an article about an anti-phishing tool available that tries to detect fake websites." This is about Web Caller-ID already in use by eBay's custom user toolbar. The article also talks a bit about the incredible increase in phishing scams.

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  1. Huh by Lord+Grey · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Unless I missed something, neither the article nor the summary provides a link to the product. Here is what I found: Web Caller-ID. That link contains this paragraph:
    Web Caller-ID's detection engine includes hundreds of routines that examine the elements of a web site, ranging from the site's content and links to its page history, and then determine if they are indicative of a spoof. For example, the URL of a particular site might be analyzed for phishing characteristics, such as the inclusion of an IP address at the beginning of the URL, or the source code might be analyzed for calls to a different web site. In production environments, Web Caller-ID consistently detects more than 98% of previously unknown spoof sites using behavioral technology.
    This product sounds interesting at first blush, but don't most phishing scams begin with an email? Web sites that support phishing aren't going to have as many of these charactistics as the email that lured the victims there to begin with. I have to wonder just how well this really works, despite the, "consistently detects more than 98% of previously unknown spoof sites" quote.
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    1. Re:Huh by beh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There is, of course, another issue as well - if you eliminate 98% of the phish scams - that'll probably also mean that people will start paying less attention to the problem at hand and might hence become less careful about those phish scams that DO make it into their inbox.

      This might be in a way comparable to the rates of HIV/AIDS spread during the late 80s/early 90s when there was LOTS of media attention to the issue, and people would actually think about what they were doing. Now, a couple of years after the height of media attention to it, the problems are rising again (simply because people no longer think about the issue).

      In the same way, I would guess people might fall more easily for phish scams, once the become more rare again.

    2. Re:Huh by Mysticalfruit · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually there have been a large number of cases where an ISP's DNS server has been poisoned so users type in the legimate www.somehugebank.com and it brings them to a proxy mirror image of the site where you gleefully login in and they scarf your information.

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    3. Re:Huh by Glog · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Which moon do you live on? Think about spam for a second - it's been around for years and it almost doubles every year. It's become like the most-reviled thing on the internet. And there are STILL people who buy things through spammed ads.

      I don't believe the general populace will get the danger of phishing even if you aired 2 minute warnings every hour on the hour for a month during prime time TV.

      There's always going to be some sucker who falls for a phishing scam. They've become too sophisticated for the average user to detect anyway.

  2. Educate by Klar · · Score: 4, Insightful
    However, better user education and stronger security from online retailers, banks, and financial institutions is also needed to protect technically unsophisticated consumers from complex online cons like phishing attacks, Schmidt says.
    I have to say that I agree. These tools are great for newbie computer users. But I really think educating people on how to read a URL and not have to rely on a tool like this. If they don't understand the URL, using a 'caller id' program may not always be affective at preventing scams.

    Also, I would like to see a program that would pre-scan a URL and if it appears to be a fake Paypal or Visa site to put the actual domain, and display a warning to alert newbie users.
    1. Re:Educate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I've seen some intense scam sites where a graphic covers the address bar, and it looks like you are really at citibank. I was actually taken back for a few seconds. I KNEW I was on a phishing site, but the URL was clearly citibank's (I have accounts there). Played with the address bar, and noticed... hmmm.

      This would fool 98% of semi-experienced users.

    2. Re:Educate by psin+psycle · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Education will only help so long. What happens when someone writes a worm/virus that replaces the /etc/hosts file with one hacked up to send people to phishing sites instead of banking sites? Not only could the phishing websites capture account data, they could also forward the user on to the correct site so they don't even notice a problem. Who's going to check their /etc/hosts file to make sure this isn't happening!

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    3. Re:Educate by Mouse42 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      98%, eh? heh.

      One other problem companies have is changing their website's appearance. For example, CapitalOne recently changed their homepage and I was actually too nervous to log in for a few days.

      Also, a poor quality website can make people suspicious. A friend of mine asked me to inspect his cable company's website to see if it were real or not because it was so poorly designed. I told him since it was so poorly designed to not trust it's security, either, and not bother doing the online bill pay.

    4. Re:Educate by donnyspi · · Score: 3, Informative

      This Citibank one's even more sophisticated than having an image cover the address bar: http://www.antiphishing.org/phishing_archive/07-05 -04_Citibank_(Citisafe_by_Citibank).html

    5. Re:Educate by moeymo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You're right. Additionally...

      The type of user that knows enough to install such a tool will be the same user that wouldn't be fooled in the first place.

      Vice versa: a user that doesn't know about phishing and would get fooled is also the user that doesn't understand why such a toolbar would be useful!

  3. Glasses by jobeus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Glasses would be a good anti-phishing tool... Seems almost 95% of the sites I come across just replace a . with a - somewhere. If people could see it more clearly......... :D

    1. Re:Glasses by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Glasses would be a good anti-phishing tool... Seems almost 95% of the sites I come across just replace a . with a - somewhere

      A normal-sized brain behind the glasses would work very well too. I mean, for example, the Microsoft-looking emails that require you to give a password, or a CC number or something: who the hell with a normal intelligence would fall for that one?

      Most scams look exactly like that: scams. They're so easy to spot with a vaguely critical eye that it's not funny. The problem is, who will educate a public that doesn't understand much about computers in the first place?

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    2. Re:Glasses by wan-fu · · Score: 3, Insightful

      While I agree that helping people understand computers is partly the issue here, there's an even bigger issue and that's educating the public in general to be more aware of scams. Remember, though the internet is a haven for scammers, there are plenty of them out there sending direct mailings or using infomercials. People still fall for those and not just the tricks on the net.

      I think a big part of it is people are simply more lazy these days. As a result, they are more willing to believe in a get-rich quick scheme or an identification check for a bank or sweepstakes or whatever (especially the old who are more trusting). But who knows, maybe it's not that, it could very well be that people are just stupid and gullible by nature (which many /.'ers seem to think given the number of times I've seen references to "sheeple" and the like).

  4. Already sluggish... by La_Boca · · Score: 5, Informative

    Does That Web Site Look Phishy?

    WholeSecurity's new software claims to identify fraudulent sites.

    Paul Roberts, IDG News Service
    Monday, August 16, 2004

    A new software tool from WholeSecurity can spot fraudulent Web sites used in online cons known as "phishing" scams, according to a statement from the company.

    Advertisement

    The new product, called Web Caller-ID, can detect Web pages dressed up to look like legitimate e-commerce sites. WholeSecurity is marketing the technology to banks, credit card companies, and online retailers as a way to prevent unwitting customers from accessing false sites, to reduce fraud, and increase confidence in online commerce, the company says.

    Phishing scams are online crimes that use unsolicited commercial, or "spam," e-mail to direct Internet users to Web sites controlled by thieves, but are designed to look like legitimate e-commerce sites. Users are asked to provide sensitive information such as a password, Social Security number, bank account, or credit card number, often under the guise of updating account information.

    Already in Use

    A version of Web Caller-ID is already being used by EBay in a feature called Account Guard, part of an EBay Web browser toolbar that users of the online auction site can download for free. The feature detects suspicious behavior, such as Web URLs that disguise the true Internet address of the site the user is visiting.

    Companies can license a Web browser plug-in from WholeSecurity, which can then be distributed to customers directly or as part of a Web browser toolbar. Alternatively, companies can sign up for an e-mail processing service from WholeSecurity that harvests information on phishing scams from spam e-mail or customer complaint e-mail sent to the company, WholeSecurity says.

    A Web browser-based management console lets administrators view suspected phisher sites, file complaints against spoof Web sites, or fine-tune the Web Caller-ID technology to adapt to their company's Web site.

    On the Rise

    Reports of phishing attacks have skyrocketed in recent months, according to the Anti-Phishing Working Group (APWG), a joint industry-law enforcement group.

    There were 1422 new, unique attacks reported to the APWG in June, a 19 percent increase over the previous month. Since the beginning of 2004, reports of the attacks have grown by 52 percent a month on average, the group says.

    A survey of 5000 adult Internet users by research firm Gartner released in April found that the number of phishing attacks spiked in the last year and that around 3 percent of those surveyed reported giving up personal financial or personal information after being drawn into a phishing scam. The results suggest that as many as 30 million adults have experienced a phishing attack and that 1.78 million adults could have fallen victim to the scams, Gartner says.

    Taking the First Step

    Web Caller-ID is not a cure-all for the phishing problem, but is a good first step to provide comprehensive protection from the scams, says Howard Schmidt, former White House cybersecurity advisor and the current chief information security officer at EBay.

    "These are some of the things we need to do moving forward--getting technology built into the Web browsers themselves to do these things," he says.

    However, better user education and stronger security from online retailers, banks, and financial institutions is also needed to protect technically unsophisticated consumers from complex online cons like phishing attacks, Schmidt says.

    "You can't put somebody in a car and tell them to drive, but not tell them what the brake and gas pedal are for," he says.

    1. Re:Already sluggish... by JohnGrahamCumming · · Score: 2, Funny
      Look if you are going to post the text of an article here, at least include the relevant URLs. The ad has been replaced by
      Advertisement
      Now how I'm I supposed to click through to the exciting, not to be missed, opportunity that the advertiser paid for!

      John.

    2. Re:Already sluggish... by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sorry!

      Here you go, just go here http://www.advertysement.com/ and enter your credit card details, we will gladly show you the missing content. ;)

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  5. Technological solution to a social problem by wheany · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I thought the general consensus was that technological solutions to a social problems don't work.

    1. Re:Technological solution to a social problem by MindStalker · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hu? No, the general consensus was you can't legislate these problems away, ie spam, phishing etc.
      User education is the most important, but technical solutions have to be used. Thats like saying you shouldn't bother with having a virus scanner, because people should all be taught to avoid viruses.

    2. Re:Technological solution to a social problem by Yewbert · · Score: 2, Funny
      My anti-Phishing tool-kit:

      Deodorant

      A razor

      A comb

      Air-freshener

      A sign that says, "No camping allowed."

      Oh, wait - that's my anti-Phish-FAN tool-kit.

      (Before ya get your mellow all harshed, I AM a Phish fan, to a degree. ;-) )

  6. Anti-phishing toolbar for FireFox by NewbieV · · Score: 4, Informative

    Spoofstick is a plugin for FireFox or Internet Explorer that can help identify 'phishy' sites while surfing.

    It does take a little more real estate out of the browser's window, but it's a pretty useful tool when teaching people about the dangers of clicking links blindly.

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    1. Re:Anti-phishing toolbar for FireFox by TheOtherAgentM · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The problem arises with this when a website has multiple domains to cover their content. That can confuse users. Multiple domains shouldn't be used just to serve media from another server, but I've seen it done. Also, what happens when you are drawing content from other domains? Will Spoofstick list all the domains?

    2. Re:Anti-phishing toolbar for FireFox by Wizzo1138 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sites like apple use other domains for their images. It looks like apple has recently changed a bit though. Instead of all images coming from akamai directly, they come from images.apple.com.

      But...

      ping images.apple.com
      PING a932.g.akamai.net (38.115.177.150) 56(84) bytes of data.
      64 bytes from 38.115.177.150: icmp_seq=1 ttl=57 time=30.6 ms

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  7. You mean... by Black+Parrot · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...I wasn't supposed to give s1ashdot my credit card number to read this story?

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  8. Wrong Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The proper solution to phishing scams is
    1) Educate everyone not to give out confidential information to anyone.
    2) Track the phishing sites and publically hang the owner. These things are not difficult to track by the very nature of the scam.

    1. Re:Wrong Solution by MindStalker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In the US or UK maybe, but many of these sites are located in parts of the world where you can get anonymous internet access.

    2. Re:Wrong Solution by Wizzo1138 · · Score: 2

      Can you get a anonymous access with enough bandwidth to run a server? Or maybe they don't expect to have enough hits at any one time to actually care.

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      Always go to other people's funerals, otherwise they won't come to yours.
    3. Re:Wrong Solution by PsiPsiStar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or

      b. Send out a massive phishing e-mail and scold anyone who falls for it.

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  9. My rule is usually fairly simple by tekiegreg · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just don't click on any links via email to anything unless you solicited it (such as an email verification to a mailing list you're subscribing to). When I'm in doubt, all I do is type in the URL to the bank/brokerage/etc. web site myself (fire up browser and type in homepage URL), log in and find out if there is anything going on. Most such websites have a way to look at everything and take any needed action right away after you type in a user/pass.

    *sigh* and on that note there is a sucker born every minute I suppose.

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    1. Re:My rule is usually fairly simple by Awptimus+Prime · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No kidding, Email should go back to being a text only messaging system. Strip out all the html, urls, and binary attachments and watch the world become a better place.

      Then again, I work in the security sector so all these flaws bring home the bacon. It is still frustrating to watch such broken systems dominate the world.

  10. phishing automated reply by djtech · · Score: 4, Funny

    What we need is a way to automatically reply to these phishing scams with bogus information. I'd like to be able to order everything sent in a spam message too with bogus information. Beat them at their own game!

    1. Re:phishing automated reply by introverted · · Score: 2, Funny
      What we need is a way to automatically reply to these phishing scams with bogus information.

      The next time a banking official from Nigeria requests your assistance in getting some money out of the country, explain that you need to verify that he's "on the up and up" and ask him for whatever information the phishing site wants....

    2. Re:phishing automated reply by The+Ultimate+Fartkno · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It's for mortgage spammers and not phishers, but I'm a fan of the Unsolicited Commando project. It's a little Java app that spends its day filling out mortgage applications on spamvertised sites with completely believable - but totally bogus - personal data. The source is available so perhaps a clever person could randomly generate credit card numbers and adapt the program to attack phish sites.

  11. Will this reach the intended users? by broothal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    People who are likely to fall for the usual phishing techniques are, unfortunately, not likely to install any tools to prevent phising. Odds are, that they never knew it existed before they fell for it.

  12. phishers of men by celeritas_2 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've tried to actually reply to some of the money-caught-in-forign-bank phish attempts and the only thing i get back is more and more phishing. I've failed to reach the point where they ask for your SSN credit card or my first born child. Either they're stupid and don't want my information, or they're smart and realize i know what they're up to.

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    1. Re:phishers of men by berkowow · · Score: 3, Informative

      It is a major misconception that the Nigerian e-mail scammers are after your bank account information. What they are actually running is an "advance-fee fraud." After you give them your account info and all the rest of that stuff, they will tell you that they were just about the send you the money, but that the bank needs you to pay a $500 fee to get the money out of escrow. If you wire them the $500 over Western Union, they'll come up with something else which needs to be done, e.g. a sick relative, a bribe to a state official, etc. They'll string you along with these advance fees for as long as possible. In some cases, they'll try to get you to go down to Nigeria yourself where you'll be kidnapped and held for ransom. The whole scam is remarkably low-tech, and not at all what most people expect.

    2. Re:phishers of men by Sarastrobert · · Score: 2, Informative

      It might be worth mentioning (not that I think you are serious or anything) that people have gone down to Nigeria to get their money back, and have been murdered by the scammers.

      I wouldn't go there even with 10 bouncer friends, but then again, I wouldn't fall for a Nigeria letter either.

  13. Email Phishing by TheOtherAgentM · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From what you and I probably see, yes. Phishing begins with an email, because we probably don't browse shady sites regularly. I don't know what the average user sees in their regular browsing. I can't even figure out where people get all the spyware from in the first place. As far as phishing emails, I know I get one email regularly that looks like a CitiBank email, but it is a .jpg file embedded. The URL has citi in it, but if you look closer, it's obviously not the right sight. I'd report it, but Citi Bank's online reporting sucks.

    1. Re:Email Phishing by Theatetus · · Score: 2, Funny

      I got it too, though thunderbird marked it as spam and my anti-phishing tool in firefox told me "you are at 31337.h4x0rz.cn" or wherever. I'm not sure what good it would do to report it to citi since there's nothing they can do about it except maybe send out emails to everyone in the world telling them not to believe emails claiming to be from them.

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    2. Re:Email Phishing by james_marsh · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm not sure what good it would do to report it to citi since there's nothing they can do about it except maybe send out emails to everyone in the world telling them not to believe emails claiming to be from them.
      There's just a slight flaw in that logic...

    3. Re:Email Phishing by realdpk · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, as someone who's working at a web host, I can tell you Citibank does take this sort of thing seriously, and they are interested to know where the sites are being hosted.

      Who knows what they do with that information. Maybe nothing. Still, it's worth reporting, if only to show that the community is against these frauds.

    4. Re:Email Phishing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > There's just a slight flaw in that logic...

      No there isn't.

      You receive an email supposedly from Citibank, telling you not to trust emails from Citibank.

      If it's a fake email, it means you can't trust emails claiming to be from Citibank anymore, because someone's faking them.

      If it's legit, it's telling you not to trust emails from Citibank, so you'd better not.

      So, for this particular message, it doesn't matter whether it's fake or for real - you still know not to trust any more emails.

      So how do the real Citibank communicate with you? By waiting till you next log into your internet bankning account (for minor stuff), or sending you a physical letter, or phoning you (for important stuff - which shouldn't be going by email anyway).

    5. Re:Email Phishing by aussersterne · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Citibank can't do anything about it anyway; they're not law enforcement, and even if they were, what exactly do you see law enforcement doing about SPAM or phish emails? Nada.

      I used to work at eBay and the phishing problem was terrible (though I didn't deal with it directly, that wasn't my department). When users would find out, they'd demand to know why eBay didn't do something about it. The people who worked on that floor would stand around in the smoking shed and bitch, "What do they want us to do, buy some guns and go to Romania and raid the guy's house wearing little eBay uniforms?"

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    6. Re:Email Phishing by Andrewkov · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I reported one of these scams to Citibank through their website (I'm not even a customer, just a nice guy). They didn't even ackknowledge my report, let alone fix it.

    7. Re:Email Phishing by Ra5pu7in · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They can't do much about it upfront. However, as soon as it involves withdrawals from customer's accounts it moves over into fraud ... which they can do something about (via usual legal means). Neither Citibank, nor any of the others (I've seen BofA, Wells Fargo, and others) are going to acknowledge all the emails they get reporting these scams. Instead, the data is accumulated and those that report they lost money this way will be prioritized because these can be used for prosecution.

      Personally, I'm waiting for the point where we can have a Darwin's Award for the idiots who answer those emails ... y'know the point when one of them loses every last dime in a scam and commits suicide, dies from a badly produced batch of V@l1um or V1agr@, or tries to gain or lose inches and has an accident with the means thereto. When this garbage produces 0 results, no matter how many millions are sent out, it will self-destruct.

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    8. Re:Email Phishing by Volmarias · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You know? That would be absolutely delightful. Hell, I'm sure there would be legions of geeks willing to ensure that the information entered into their systems wasn't "Murder", but "Tickling with fluffy bunnies" instead.

      I've always wondered just what law enforcement would do if someone started to serially hunt spammers, and I keep coming to the conclusion that all you need to keep the trail cold is leave a note saying "This man sent your daughter emails about zoo porn"

    9. Re:Email Phishing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "What do they want us to do, buy some guns and go to Romania and raid the guy's house wearing little eBay uniforms?"

      How about persuading the government to put pressure on the foreign country's government until they sort the problem out? If the MPAA can get "DVD Jon" arrested all the way over in Norway, surely eBay can get some spammers arrested?

    10. Re:Email Phishing by glesga_kiss · · Score: 2, Interesting
      "What do they want us to do, buy some guns and go to Romania and raid the guy's house wearing little eBay uniforms?"

      That's not all that far from the real world. Goverment is corporations; corporations is government.

    11. Re:Email Phishing by wmaker · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My dad recently showed me that e-mail, that exact one, and the link says http://www.citibank.com/blah.aspx but if you were to actually click the link it goes to citibank.ru or something similar.

    12. Re:Email Phishing by Jaysyn · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It'd be like Boondock Saint's with T-1's.

      "Television is the explanation for this. You see this in bad television. Little assault guys creeping through the vents, coming in through the ceiling - that James Bond shit never happens in real life, professionals don't do that."

      Jaysyn

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    13. Re:Email Phishing by pnutjam · · Score: 2, Informative

      I saw a similar one, if you look closely they are using frames. The one I had was a 3 frame page, top and bottom frames were the actual website, so it showed that in the address bar, only the middle frame was haxor.ru or some such crap.

    14. Re:Email Phishing by pyros · · Score: 2, Informative
      This finally pushed me over to Thunderbird, even though it's not ready for my needs (for the love of Linus, people, make the SMTP server definable per email account, just like the POP server). Thunderbird displays the same URL on mouseover as it will use when one clicks on it (I actually filed a bug report with Microsoft that OE/IE do not).

      While the interface probably isn't what you're expecting, that is already possible. In the Account Settings dialog, select SMTP in the pane on the left. Then click the Advanced button on the right, and you can add multiple SMTP servers. Then for each account select Server Settings in the left pane, and click the Advanced button on the right. You can specify any of the configured SMTP servers there. You can also select from any of the configured SMTP servers during email composition, the from line should have a pull-down arrow next to it.

    15. Re:Email Phishing by jlechem · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I too used to work for eBay and in that very department and know this smoke shack you speak of. The phishing problem there was terrible but they were getting better. And not only was there phishing but a big problem was assholes that would embed torjan viruses in their auction listings that would install keystroke loggers, etc on peoples machines. But that is another post and whole other thread.

      I know how the toolbar program worked. It worked on scanning the HTML source and based on various factors would tell the user via the toolbar if it thought the site was a spoof site. It wouldn't work in outlook email but I caught a lot of sites that users would see in their web email. If it thought the site was a spoof the user could report it to whole security , visit the site, or just leave. If they reported the site it would get put into a black list. This black list contained a huge list of reported sites. This black list was reviewed by reps on a daily basis. Sites that were spoof/phishing were permanently added to the black list of bad sites. Non spoof sites were added to a white list of good sites.

      As far as prosecuting eBay did work with the FBI and secret service but they can only do things if the host country gives a shit. Since most of this stuff happens in Romania, Russia, India and is being run by pro mafia dudes there's nothing they can do. Just be smart and don't fall for the scam. Never give out personal info via email.

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  14. I have a fairly good anti-phishing tool by JosKarith · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's called a healthy dose of cynicism.
    If somebody I have financial dealings with contacts me out of the blue to check my password/account number/mother's maiden name etc. I contact them back - not using the linkback on that e-mail but using the contact details from the documentation I got when I signed up. And I ask them if it's a scam or not.
    And I don't reply until the bank/whatever has got back to me.

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  15. Here's my Anti-Phishing tool by Chanc_Gorkon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My Anti Phishing tool is my brain. I mean sometimes these phishing e-mails are nto even spoof so that they appear to come from the company that they are spoofing. Sometimes the website has graphics for the company they are trying to appear as and the URL is in CHINA! First off, No company shuld EVER ask you to click on a link and enter personal information for things. No mortgage company I know of will actually advertise in a spam and if they do, then your alert flag should go up. If you just use common sense, you should be more then able to determine if a web page or e-mail is a phishing attempt. Unfortunately, your grandma or your mom may not. I think that companies liek AOL need to add more training wheels to their service so to speak and help them with determining if something is legit or not. Would I ever load such software? No I would not because I don't need it....but my mom might.

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  16. AntiPhishiing.org by hot_Karls_bad_cavern · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here is more information, the SANS Internet Storm Center has seen much activity (and growing) of this shit.



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  17. so the cure to prevent phishing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting


    is to install a spyware toolbar ?

    i have enough trouble persuading users NOT to install crappy toolbars and plugins as it is without people reccomending that they do,
    MS ActiveX and to a lesser extent Mozilla's XPInstall xpi features coupled with uninformed users are the main reason spyware/malware exists and is so easy to exploit, can you explain the difference to a (l)user between a good plugin/toolbar and a bad one ?

    security should be built into the browser

  18. Phishing is a big problem for hosting companies by gtrubetskoy · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Phishers need a place to host their fake sites, and hosting companies like ours are prime targets for phishers to set up their "collection points", and we see a lot of those.

    My theory is that unlike the script-kiddies of the old days, 99% of all phishing is work of organized crime. I believe that they recruit users at ISP's in places where internet (or any for that matter) law is not enforced (like Kosovo), they provide people simple step-by-step instructions on what to do, give them lists of fake card numbers and pay them based on the number of accounts hacked (e.g. $1 for every 50 good passwords). The actual cleaning out of the accounts probably happens elsewhere and at a much higher level because you need a much more elaborate system for it (off-shore bank accounts, etc). At least if I was doing it, this is how I would set it up. The users appear to be not very smart - we often see weird typos, names spelled in all caps and other dead giveaways - why would ANNE FISHER from Ohio signup for a year of virtual hosting and register a domain XABCDFERNG.COM for 10 years?

    We see that they are getting more elaborate in their attempts to sign up for an account. They try to use proxies or zombies now (because most same companies will flat out refuse any attempts to sign up from Indonesia, Romania, etc.).

    A funny side note - we got a copy of a credit card statement from one of the unfortunate cardmembers whose card's been stolen as part of the "chargeback" report, and among various hosting accounts they signed up for, there was an $20 contribution to moveon.org - go figure!

    Right now the best way to fight off phishers is to attempt to speak to the customer in person, it has worked 100% for us so far. But since this phishing thing is probably big money for some mafia boss, I think the motivation is there for them to get more technologically advanced, and I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing fake VoIP phone numbers provided where the criminals would answer the phone in English and pretend to be cardmembers.

    Another very unfortunate side-ffect of this is that it's the merchants who east the cost of it. For every instance of fraud, we get the funds withheld and transferred back to the cardmember (don't be fooled by those reports of "poor" cc companies bearing the cost of fraud!) AND we get slapped with an $25-$50 penalty by the CC processing company AND our rates go up. So it's almost in their interest that cards get stolen, it simply means more revenue for them. Now our services are "virtual", but for those who actually ship something physical (like a shirt), they get to eat the cost of that as well.

    1. Re:Phishing is a big problem for hosting companies by swb · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've always found the credit card companies and banks ability to shift the financial responsibility onto merchants and users for their insecure system to be one of the greatest ripoffs in history. Merchants in particular take it up the dirt road -- chargebacks, penalties AND rate increases! And zero incentive for the people who created and control the system to do anything about it.

      I hate to say "they should pass a law", but they SHOULD pass a law that pushes the cost of CC fraud back onto banks and the CC companies themselves. This would provide a much bigger incentive.

      What's even better is that once the new bankruptcy bill goes into force, not only will banks not have to bear the burden of fraud, they won't have to bear the burden of irresponsible lending, either.

    2. Re:Phishing is a big problem for hosting companies by JoeBuck · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Every phishing scam I've seen get through my spam filters gave itself away, because the e-mails are all written by people who are either not fluent in English or who are too illiterate to get a job as a junior secretary in any English-speaking country.

      The biggest threat would be if any of these guys ever hires a native English speaker who can write, and thinks a bit about what a real e-mail from a big corporation might look like.

  19. Backwards by RU_Areo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You can't put somebody in a car and tell them to drive, but not tell them what the brake and gas pedal are for

    I think this statement is completely backwards. You can give someone the tools; ie. tell them what the gas and brake are for, but under no circumstances can you make them use them (properly) or understand the full consequences of not using them this is especially true for users who are not technically inclined.

  20. Kaput? by BigBadBus · · Score: 2, Informative
    Is this the "eBay custom user toolbar" thats been broken by XP SP2?

  21. List of IPs used by phishers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Phish Net

    Some folks here may find it usefull.

  22. Cool phishing detection quiz by frozenray · · Score: 5, Informative


    This nifty quiz can help you assess your phishing detection abilities. Recommended.

    --
    "There are already a million monkeys on a million typewriters, and Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare." - Blair Houghton
    1. Re:Cool phishing detection quiz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      100% .. was not that hard. Of course I stop phishing for a living. I only got the hotmail one because it was professionally written and mentioned only losing messages and addresses, something I know to be a fact of life about account expiration on hotmail and yahoo mail both. That it didn't say "your account will be suspended" or some other stern warning made it look less like a phish. All the others were just dead giveaways.

      No one who wants your business is going to waggle their finger and scold you about taking action NOW or you will lose your account, the way most of the phishers do. Even if you haven't payed them -- they just suspend it and tell you to call them on the phone.

  23. Hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    My Anti Phishing tool is my brain. I mean sometimes these phishing e-mails are nto even spoof so that they appear to come from the company that they are spoofing. Sometimes the website has graphics for the company they are trying to appear as and the URL is in CHINA! First off, No company shuld EVER ask you to click on a link and enter personal information for things. No mortgage company I know of will actually advertise in a spam and if they do, then your alert flag should go up. If you just use common sense, you should be more then able to determine if a web page or e-mail is a phishing attempt. Unfortunately, your grandma or your mom may not. I think that companies liek AOL need to add more training wheels to their service so to speak and help them with determining if something is legit or not. Would I ever load such software? No I would not because I don't need it....but my mom might.

    I don't know... I was told that phishing scams often played on misspellings, so my "red alert" flag is going up on your message.

  24. should be a firefox plugin by jdkane · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Someone should create a phishing-detection extension for Mozilla. Does anybody have any ideas about how that would work efficiently/effectively? Same as EBay technology?

    1. Re:should be a firefox plugin by jdkane · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I should have added "free" extension, not restricted by licensing and/or money in general.

    2. Re:should be a firefox plugin by Cheerio+Boy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The Firefox plugin you're looking for is Spoofstick.

      A little simple but it tells you exactly what site you're on.

      They also have one for IE.

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      "Bah!" - Dogbert
  25. Firefox/IE by mrseigen · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've noticed that neither Firefox nor new versions of IE let you do the www.cnn.com@http://myattackersite.com phishing vulnerability; Firefox warns you (as long as myattackersite.com doesn't request authentication), IE just doesn't let you do it as far as I've seen (but this is hearsay; I haven't used IE in years).

  26. I just looked at the list by G27+Radio · · Score: 2, Informative

    There are not many unique addresses in the list; most are repeated many times throughout the it. And there are a couple that just aren't valid IP addresses at all. Not much of a list yet, but good luck with it anyway.

  27. A better start by portwojc · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Web Caller-ID is not a cure-all for the phishing problem

    How about actually going after the people doing the scams as a solution. Also the providers who don't shut them down.

    I must have missed that part in the article. This is going to be just like the spam problem. It's a problem that the end user needs to deal with and not something to be corrected at the source. Well not until at least it gets to epidemic proportions.

  28. Anti-Phishing Tool by sulli · · Score: 3, Funny
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    sulli
    RTFJ.
  29. Had a bit of a scare, recently by TomorrowPlusX · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I got an email from Earthlink that looks SO MUCH like a textbook Phishing scam ( your credit card number's going to expire... ) that I deleted it the first couple times it came my way.

    It kept on coming, however, and I decided to go to earthlink myself ( e.g., not clicking the link ) and see what the deal was.

    Turned out, it was legit. Amazing.

    The trouble here, really, is how do we handle legitimate email from banks, ISPs, etc?

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  30. What banks *should* do! by callipygian-showsyst · · Score: 4, Interesting
    What banks (and eBay) should do is NEVER, EVER send an email to customers. Period.

    And on their websites they should say on top: "REMEMBER: WE *NEVER* SEND YOU EMAIL ABOUT ANYTHING."

    If you want to know something, you just visit eBay or your bank account.

  31. Re:Wrong Solution (need PK crypto) by j1m+5n0w · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The proper solution to phishing scams is 1) Educate everyone not to give out confidential information to anyone. 2) Track the phishing sites and publically hang the owner. These things are not difficult to track by the very nature of the scam.

    Don't forget

    3) Use public key cryptography to verify the authenticity of sites you do business with.

    -jim

  32. Simple idea. by JessLeah · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When you get an email, at the top, 'caller ID' shows up (e.g. "This email was sent from: SOMEWHERE IN CHINA", vs. "This email was sent from: CITIBANK'S servers")

    When you mouseover a link, a LARGE JavaScript thingy pops up saying "This link is to: SOMEWHERE IN NIGERIA" or "This link is to: CITIBANK'S site"

  33. Here's a good way... by veritron · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Phishing scams have no way to determine whether the password you enter is correct or incorrect.

    If you enter in an incorrect password/username combo and the site redirects you to the real site's password and login prompt or does something other than telling you your username/password combo is incorrect, then you're definitely dealing with a phishing scam.

    Of course, you can be clever and have the scam always return "wrong username/password." If the scam's set up to do that, the only way to tell that it's a scam is to enter... your correct password and username. Clever, eh?

    So if your password "doesn't work" for an indefinite period, and then suddenly starts working again when you actually go to the site that requires your name/password via google, do yourself a favor and change your damn password.

    1. Re:Here's a good way... by dozer · · Score: 2, Informative

      Phishing scams have no way to determine whether the password you enter is correct or incorrect.

      You're wrong. The phisher's site can immediately attempt logging into the legit site with the stolen credentials, then return an appropriate response to your browser. To you, at worst, it would look like typical net lag. This is so trivial to do that some phishers must already be doing this.

      In fact, they could just proxy your connection to the original site. This way, you would actually be using the legimate site -- you could not tell any difference. It's just that all traffic would be passing through the phisher's computers too, and they could grab whatever information they wanted.

  34. How is this better than SSL? by BilSabab · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Let's make a couple of risky assumptions

    1) That as an educated user I only submit sensitive information over an SSL encrypted connection using an SSL certificate signed by a third party.

    2) That I check that the certificate corresponds to the site I'm visiting.

    This should prevent me from submitting any information to a phishing scam provided that I'm using a browser which correctly implements the SSL/TLS exchange.

    So why would a hosting company or a user bother with Web caller ID? A properly configured browser and SSL should prevent phishing attacks. Correct?

    --- Friends don't let friends sig

    1. Re:How is this better than SSL? by athakur999 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Would a certificate authority refuse to issue a certificate to a website called "services-paypal.com"? If not, then just checking for an SSL icon wouldn't do much. If people are fooled by "services-paypal.com" in the address bar, they'll probably be fooled by it again in the SSL information dialog box.

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      "People that quote themselves in their signatures bother me" - athakur999
    2. Re:How is this better than SSL? by julesh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      SSL doesn't help against lookalike domain names. Of course, anyone with eyes and abrain ought to be able to spot that, but most people need something a little more blatant.

  35. Re:Nice try, indeed. by teamhasnoi · · Score: 2, Funny
    % perl -e 'print teamhasnoi.hasSenseOfHumor()'
    0
    %

    Stop trying to infect me with your spyware! I'm wise to your tricks!

  36. phishing by ajs318 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Most of the scam e-mails don't render properly in KMail -- which is what I mostly use -- anyway. But if they did, I'd probably go ahead and fill in a whole bunch of bogus details anyway. Can't be too hard to write a script that does a HTTP GET on the site URL, then submits random data. Preferably plausible data ..... maybe we could borrow the spammers' trick of picking words that seem to go together? And, of course, credit card numbers that pass The Test ..... not difficult, you just generate a 15 digit random string, and calculate the check digit.

    IMHO the only thing missing from KMail is the ability to turn on and off off HTML rendering and image loading on a folder-by-folder basis (so I can view known "ham" e-mail in the format it was sent; but my brain already renders HTML so well that <em>this looks a bit slanty</em>).

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    Je fume. Tu fumes. Nous fûmes!
  37. First step by bigberk · · Score: 5, Informative

    The first step is obviously to check the headers of an email you receive. Just see who sent you the damn thing (from Received headers). Was it actually an IP belonging to .paypal.com? This is easy to check using 'whois'. If the whois lookup shows the IP delivering you the email is from the company you expect (VISA, Paypal, Ebay) then it's fine.

    OK, how about an example. Take this US Bank phishing scam, here are the Received headers:

    Received: by mail.pc9.org (Postfix, from userid 82)
    id 2E7E6AC1B; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 07:13:50 -0700 (PDT)
    Received: from usbank.com (unknown [211.209.208.87])
    by mail.pc9.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BCF24AC03
    for <bigberk@users.pc9.org>; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 07:13:47 -0700 (PDT)
    Received: from 0.212.252.18 by 211.209.208.87; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 09:08:18 -0600

    The first Received hop is my ISP. The second Received hop is the only important one; it describes the connecting host. Note that the host here pretended to be usbank.com but that name is a sender-supplied ID; it's worthless. What you're looking for is the IP address between square brackets, which can not be forged. Now just check 211.209.208.87 using whois

    $ whois 211.209.208.87
    ...
    [ Organization Information ]
    Organization ID : ORG3930
    Org Name : Hanaro Telecom Inc.
    State : SEOUL
    Address : Shindongah Bldg., 43 Taepyeongno2-Ga Jung-Gu
    Zip Code : 100-733
    ...

    See, easy. This email came from Korea, not US Bank. It's a scam!

  38. Unfortunatly... by Phil+John · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...a large proportion of people using the internet don't even know what SSL means (or is), let alone what to check for. They just look for a padlock and think they're safe (many don't even do this).

    Users normally glaze over when they hear about certificate signing and how to check site authenticity and it's not like it's particularly hard (or expensive) to get an SSL cert these days, the last one I purchased only performed the bare minimum of checks (that I had an invoice for the server I was using to "prove" my identity, hardly what I call a method of high integrity).

    This kind of tech is just what the hordes of clueless AOL/internet users need, something to stop them hurting themselves on the internet, they are just like children that need looking after around the knife drawer.

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    I am NaN
  39. Now make it useable by soroka · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Very well done, bigberk! It is a realistic example. But still it is an example. Actually banks almost never send such emails, so when you get a message from a bank asking to spread your guts on their site it is almost surely a phishing exercise.

    However I recently found myself in the middle of a transaction in cold sweat realising that it could have been phishing! ( I did my first SSL related project in 2000, and I still believe there is smth behind the glasses :)

    Ok, imagine receiving a message from MIT press advertising a discount on a book you wanted to buy. Should I tell that I did not whois the senders IP but when credit card authorisation failed I freaked out. Fortunatly, this was a genuine email and a genuine error this time, but what if it were not!

    Another scenario: You google for a thing and in the second page of results you find a very good price. Will you check the certificates of the http over SSL site and whois the IPs?

    Actually in all email programs from the very early years to the latest Outlook there is a facility to see the whole header of the message. It should not be too difficult to incorporate the whois requests in a similar way. So that when the user receives an email with a link that she wants to follow, she can get a report similar to the one that bigberk found manualy.

    It is not a bit more difficult to do the same thing with google: Just add a link to a script that generates a whois report.

    One problem I see is that if this feature will become popular, the present whois service capacity may not be sufficient: as far as I know there is a single server to cover the whole of Asia-Pacific domains.

  40. At Least inform the public about this by charliekowalchuk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I've bought some large items on ebay, but the best place to find scammers is when your buying expensive laptops. I've seen a lot of phishing for ebay. I saw a recent report, in which perdicted that for every legit technology buisness, there are two scam ones.

    The most important thing, Citibank and Ebay and the others is to inform their current and future customers about problems such as this. The worst thing they can do is not talk about it, pretend the problem will go away, or it is an isolated inncedent. (I'm telling ya, if Firefighters took the same approach at doing their job...)

    I like to think that some of my attention I brought to ebay, has paved some of the way, as they seem to be taking a stand to this kind of scam. For instance, now you can forward phishy looking emails to spoof@ebay.com.

    Now if you surf the web, hundreds of hits come up when discussing phish and spoof emails regarding Ebay and the like, but just 8 months ago, I found only one hit (and it was actually claiming this to be a real email, not a fake), regarding a fake authentic ebay email, encoraging me that it was alright to pay Western Union with this one particular seller, because he has special circumstances, and ebay will give buyer protection, up to 80% of the sell price. And Ebay themselves gave NO reference to any kind of knowledge or other cases that this kind of stuff was going on and one should be catious.

    I hate to mention it, but it is rumored that alot of this stuff, being so well organized with their i's dotted and T's crossed is because some/most of these scams is being ran by various mafia.

  41. Re:Another poor metaphor.... by thebatlab · · Score: 2, Funny

    Metaphors and analogies don't always have to have a one-to-one relationship. He was simply saying to get people out of the get-on-the-net-and-go mindset and make them more aware of when to slow down and think. Geez. Someone had some Kellog's Frosted Bitchy Flakes for breakfast.