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Windows Media Player 10 Reviewed
An anonymous reader writes "Paul Thorrott reviews Windows Media Player 10 and notes that unlike Apple's iTunes Music Store, which offers music that is only compatible with Apple's iPod portable player, WMP 10 will work with songs from virtually any other online music store. There are more screenshots here with a download link." Reader Thomas Hawk writes "I wrote my Microsoft Windows Media Player 10 Review today the first day the software was released and one of the first reviews on the product. I basically give it good marks but there are definiately some things that they can still improve upon."
An anonymous reader writes "Since I'm somewhat wary of Microsoft's new software (particularly DRM-laden Media Player types,) I was paying attention to the EULA and privacy agreements provided when downloading the software. Ironically enough, the privacy page linked from the installer (at time of writing) merely said "TODO: Privacy policy goes here". Most certainly an honest mistake, but in the meantime it appears there is in fact no policy on privacy (or it has not yet been taken into consideration) in WMP10."
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Clearly it's a superior means of enjoying musical content over having that annoying 100 gram iPod Mini which you can actually forget you have with you, because it requires no bulky computer or extension cord and that insidious battery will last for up to 8 hours.
Microsoft Windows Media Player 10, because your not going anywhere anyway.
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
Anyone else a little nervous that they haven't gotten around to writing a privacy policy? That seems a bit disturbing, to say the least.
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"pain is weakness leaving the body."Paul Thorrott reviews Windows Media Player 10 and notes that unlike Apple's iTunes Music Store, which offers music that is only compatible with Apple's iPod portable player, WMP 10 will work with songs from virtually any other online music store.
Wtf does that mean? What does iTunes Music Store have to do with WiMP 10? iTunes (not the music store) can play mp3s, which means it's compatible with almost every other online music store too. It's just MS's WMA format that iTunes can't play, but neither can any other player anyways.
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Does it support Ogg files in your playlist yet?
But it doesn't run on my Mac.
Boobies never hurt anyone. - Sherry Glaser.
since WS2003 can do almost anything that XP can yet is more stable and can do a lot of testing for work related activites I have that as one of my main computers at home... I tired to install Media Player 10 and it won't install, apparently its only for XP
go fig.
If they just stuck to a media player that limits itself to, say, playing media, they wouldn't need a privacy policy.
Its not like I need the playlist stuff, Winamp (2.9) handles music, I only use WMP for video, which rarely needs a playlist, and even then, if I need a playlist for video, I do it with Winamp.
I am a big Windows guy, so it hurts me to say I like iTunes better but I do. It doesn't really bother me that I cannot buy from other companies since I use mostly MP3's with iTunes anyways. If you are are really looking for a media player that can play different formats (including movies), I recomment WinAmp 5. It's better than Winamp 3, it plays multiple media, has a large plug in set to extend functionality and had a low overhead. Plus, I love the media library feature in WinAmp, which WMP never seems to get right, confirmed with my installation of the 10 beta.
Well, no privacy policy would seem to mean no privacy, am I right?
anyone else still think the MSN music store looks just a tad like an existing one?
I decided to give it a try on a work computer where I usually run iTunes. Installed it and tried to play back an old playlist where the mp3 files no longer existed (it's been a while since I've used MP). The player freaked out and told me that the CD was scratched and I should check the CD. The file wasn't even a CD. I had a good chuckle and went back to iTunes. At least it knows what type of media it's playing.
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Coming from a MegaCorp, I would expect something more like...Whoops, sorry, we accidentally sold your information to interested third parties including the DHS. We sincerely apologize for the honest mistake.
But you're right, this does look like an honest mistake. But it's more like a sign of the future to come.
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Songs bought from Windows Media Player based music stores work in and only in Windows Media applications such as WMP.
Songs bought from the iTunes Music Store work in and only in Quicktime applications such as iTunes.
Songs bought from mp3 based music stores work anywhere.
Didn't we all know this already?
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Somebody was commenting on the interface in an earlier thread but I had no idea... MSN's opposing gradients from hell clash with the XP Luna scheme really, really badly.
Go look. Can you read those tabs at the top-right? Music... ra... radio... movies & tv?
Also - find the transport controls! They are hiding in the worst place possible, at the lower-left corner, which is exactly the last place your eye goes to when scanning the sea of text in the main window. This decision probably hinges on simply not making the thing look too much like iTunes.
God, I get angry just looking at this thing.
What is wrong with them? More money than God and they still can't manage to find a visual design that isn't completely retarded. Reversed text mixed with plain. Tabs - which don't look like tabs - separated by an arbitrary hierarchy. All controls with meaningful functions crammed into a too-small area at the bottom of the window, which sits mashed nicely against your taskbar, which is usually crammed with widgetry as well.
To say nothing of how the MSN Music Store works, I can say that iTunes (and WinAMP, and Audion) knock the shit out of this.
If Jesus wants me it knows where to find me.
WMP 10 will work with songs from virtually any other online music store
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I guess "work" has become a very subjective word.
It's kind of stupid the way they compare WMP 10 to the Itunes music store. One is a media player, one is,well... a store!
Is it somehow significant that WMP 10 can play various flavors of music file and the itunes music store sells songs for ipods/itunes?
Are those two things not mutually exclusive?
That's a violation of the "Certified for Windows XP" logo rules. The vendor should be denied the use of the Windows logo.
Smart playlists, shared music, the native ability to burn/rip CDs, and iTMS come immediately to mind. Not to mention the fact that Winamp has security holes and is in general far more clunky. WA4 pissed me off; WA5 is better, but iTunes is still far and away the sleeker player. I started using WA with version 2, used 5 for a while, then tried iTunes and dumped WA about 2 weeks later.
I could care less about skinning or plug-ins. IMO when developers brag that their apps are skinnable or support plug-ins it tells me that they probably haven't paid as much attention to the core functionality, and have opened the app up to security vulnerabilities and instability. As a general rule I avoid skinnable apps.
Plus a whole bunch of people in my office (including) use iTunes and share their music; I can listen to their playlist with a single click. I've been able to check out music I hadn't been exposed to before when it is convenient for me.
Who would have imagined that there would be napster 'prepay'cards at your local Kroger..
We live in strange, restrictive times..
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can't iTunes run WMP file? Is it because Apple won't let them or because Microsoft won't let them? Can Microsoft Media play AAC files? Why not?
All files downloaded from iTunes (music store) can be played on any other system if you go through the effort to convert them. Same as Windows media files.
I really don't get the fuss about converting files. If I want easy access to my CDs I rip them to my computer and change their format. If I wanted to listen to an album I bought in the 80s I recorded it to a tape. If I wanted to listen to an 8 track... oh wait - I am a little young for those... but for most all things, if I want to listen to it in a different form than what I bought it in, I went through the effort to change the format.
...maybe because winamp is no longer free....
Or perhaps its like my experience with winamp 2.xx in XP, which causes a full-stop kernel panic on XP when I eject a CD.
Or perhaps no one really wants to whip the Llama's ass....
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought that idea was inane. My?? What's wrong with attaching a user ID to all your files and folders, like real OS's have done since, oh, about the mid-1970's? And what was wrong with just calling it "Documents"? Were they afraid that [l]users might not realize that "Documents" were, in fact, their documents and not some other random person's documents?
And did you see the crazy hoops they (MS) had to jump through once they realized that a computer might, just might, be used by more than one person? (Something else they were about 30 years late understanding!) Now the name of a folder varies wildly depending on exactly who is looking at it! Whose idea of a consistent, easy-to-understand UI is this, anyway?? A quantum mechanic's??
Well I'm now better off buying CD's then using DRM telling me how many computers I can put it on. Here are a few things I found interesting from their privacy policy...
"Microsoft also provides a service that lets you move your own secure content..." Gee thanks M$ for letting me put the content I purchased where I want to
"Unless the migration limit has been reached, a new license will be returned that enables use of the content on your new computer. Microsoft keeps track of the number of migration licenses granted for content that was first licensed on your original computer and allows a limited number of license migrations."
Great so if I move it to my work, laptop and home computer I might not be able to play what I purchased? Furthermore, how does this work since my laptop / home run Gentoo Linux?
I'll be sticking with ANYTHING BUT THIS.
Thanks for deciding to licence my music for me, M$ how nice of you. Not even Real does that, come on!
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I know a few people who have winamp installed, but genuinely prefer playing their music in iTunes!
Some of us like to be able to search our music easily.
..what does this Bum button do? http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/imag es/mp10/landing_feature_newdesign_180x96.jpg
The iPod has over 50% marketshare.
iTMS sells over 70% of online music.
Who cares if WMP10 works with the wanna-be players and music stores? It doesn't work with ones most people are actually using.
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You know, all the reviews pan Apple for providing their songs in a "proprietary" format, which is called AAC. AAC is actually a patent encumbered open standard.
Well, all the other stores, be they MSN Beta, Napster, or buymusic.com all provide songs in WMP format, which I believe is a PROPRIEATRY PATENTED FORMAT, last I checked.
The reason why iTunes and the iPod don't use WMA is because Apple DOES NOT want to give Microsoft a cut every time a Mac or an iPod is sold.
People seem to forget that the iPod and iTunes happily play MP3 files, as well AIFF, and WAV files as well as AAC.
There was also a note about the MP3 decoding chips inside the iPod. The exact same chip is used in a number of other players that are Windows only. That chip will happily decode, MP3s, AACs and WMA files. Apple pays the licensing for AAC, but refuses to pay to license WMA. Well, the makers of the other players don't want to pay Dolby a license to be able to play AAC files, hence why their firmware doesn't use the AAC. They could easily turn on AAC and write a plugin for iTunes and the thing would work with iTunes then (at least the non DRMed stuff).
Since I have an iPod, I started ripping stuff to 192K AAC, but have since switched to 256 VBR Lame MP3 files. My iPod has no issue with these files whatsoever and iTunes plays them happily.
If Apple and Microsoft wanted to use a REAL open standard (just because most PCs ship with WinXP, and WMP is FORCE BUNDLED with them DOES NOT make WMA a standard), they would offer songs in MP3 or Ogg Vorbis format.
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The first time I saw WMP10's new color scheme, I thought it was the ugliest thing I'd ever seen in my life. However, there is hope! Right-click on the taskbar, select View->Enhancements->Color Chooser, pull the saturation down to maybe 15% and check the "Use black as player background", then select a non-ugly color. Now your WMP10 doesn't look retarded!
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Unlike Apple's iTunes Music Store, which offers music that is only compatible with Apple's iPod portable player, WMP 10 will work with songs from virtually any other online music store.
Huh? Why is WMP being compared to ITMS? Apples to Oranges (no pun intended). WMP = iTunes/Quicktime. MSN Music = ITMS. Either somebody meant to say iTunes somewhere (but it still doesn't make sense), or this is an attempt to misinform the reader.
Given that Paul Thorrott is behind this, I'm not suprized.
(go ahead and search for him. Find something where he hasn't found some way to manipulate things to put MS on top. If he isn't on Microsoft's payroll, he should be)
I use Macs to up my productivity, so up yours Microsoft!
and other than the lack of some bitrates, it's not crippled
Translated from geek to English: "Other than it being crippled by restricting it to low quality encoding, it's not crippled."
WTF?
...jeez, WMP 10's appearance is, like, a thousand times worse.
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Like many long-time Mac users, I'm not happy with the brushed aluminum Apple is using for so many of their apps, including the Finder.
But, my God, WMP 10 is just awful in comparison.
Next time I find myself getting annoyed with OS X's faux-metal theme, I'm going to force myself to crank up my PC and launch WMP 10.
It's always important to remind yourself that things could be worse even on my minor, inconsequential matters.
Even more spectacular is that it is free. Microsoft gives it away.
Jeez, I can think of many many programs that "Spectacularly" for free, are even more "Amazing" and they really are free, you even get the source code! If you want to see some really spectacular stuff that comes for free, why not try one of the many great linux distro's that are out there!
Where has this guy been the past few years? Seriously though what is so "Amazing" about Microsoft giving the program away? It would be "Spectacular" if they were giving away a product that were truly free, and free from DRM mechanisms, and isnt aimed fair and square at attacking the iTunes brigade.
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Most people can't even figure out what to download to enable the ogg codec on their systems in the first place.
Let's take the typical Windows Media Player user and say they want to play some ogg files.
1) serach for ogg on google and you find vorbis.com. "Cool, I can't wait to play these ogg files I legally obtained."
2) Try figure out where the "ogg" codec is and then click on the "vorbis" link.
3) Select OS and to come to a page which doesn't list WMP and only seems to have some old versions of winamp and some media players they have never even heard of.
4) Click "other software" because you can't find anything that will just let you play ogg files on WMP.
5) Scroll through through over 30 programs and then give up because you can't find what you need. Those with more patience will keep scrooling till they find "OggDS Direct Show Filters" which is something like the 40th program on the page. Install the codec and then realize that WMP doesn't support ogg very well and avoid ogg files in the future.
For whatever reason the people at Vorbis do everything in their power to keep people from using ogg in WMP and your asking why Microsoft doesn't do a better job at supporting ogg? Its a two way street.
The link to the DirectShow version of the Format should be 2 clicks away from the front page listed right under playes. If the Vorbis people want to see ogg marketshare grow among enduser they need to do a much better job at A)enabling them to play ogg files in WMP and B) adopting and advocating a GUI win32 encoder and c) explaing why ogg is better than mp3. Saying its not patent encumbered and saying its as good or slightly better than mp3 is't going to cut it. I don't envy them for that hard a task but I'm also not the one putting out the software.
I've said many times in the past that ogg is great for content producers. That does't change the fact that for all intended purposes ogg is very much a solution in search of a problem with regard to the idea of replacing the mp3 with consumers.
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WM-9 is an open, patent encumberet standard controlled by SMPTE. MS did that so they could be a contender for HD-DVD and BluRay. Both require open standards, though patents and fees are fine and expected.
Also they cannot use a format like MP3 or OGG, without adding DRM which kind of defeats the point. The record industry requires the use fo DRM, hence Apple's FairPlay shit.
Windows Media Player will also happily play MP3 files, as well as any other kind of file Windows has a DirectShow codec for. Want OGG support? Install the OGG DS codec and it's there.
Please: Educate yourself before you argue against something. It weakens your argument and makes you look silly when you harp on things that aren't true.
Although he has his own stand-alone pundit site, he also works for Windows IT Pro, which delivers "News about Windows and Microsoft. No fluff."
Asking him to talk in reasonable terms about a battle between Microsoft and Apple is like asking Guy Kawasaki in 1986 to talk about the advantages and disadvantages of PCs and Macs. Just look at what puts bread on the table for Thurrott.
Basically Thurrott seems to believe that Windows is "all about choice" because there is a monopolist (Microsoft) running the show. Any assaults on that monopoly seem to bring up his defenses. He'll give Apple and other players kudos, but in the dismissive way that IT people used to discuss Linux. He's generous when Microsoft is ascendant in a market, but nasty when someone else is in the lead.
Read the EFF's Fair Use FAQ
Apparently the Help page of the MSN Music site contained instructions on how to circumvent the block on playing their songs on an IPOD.
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To transfer MSN-downloaded music to an iPod, you need to first create a CD with the music, and then you need to import that CD into iTunes. This process will convert the music into a format that can play on the iPod.
You can read about it here http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2004/09/03/ms_m
It's unfortunately all too common to expect this kind of FUD from Microsoft and their mindless proxies, like Thurrott. Of course, when Microsoft says they're all about choice, what they mean is they're all about enabling users to "choose" Microsoft.
John Gruber unspins the inanity much better than I can.
This "choice" nonsense that Microsoft is FUDing is shamefully disengenuous.
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For years MS has been touting WMA's audio superiority over MP3 "at any bit rate" (see Demos: Audio Quality). However, Amorim's Multiformat at 128kbps public Listening Test showed LAME MP3 performing better than WMA 9 Standard. So I wouldn't be surprised if WMP 10 has a crappy MP3 encoder.
Maybe I'm just a cynical a-hole. I'm looking forward to Amorim's next MP3 listening test to see how WMP 10's MP3 encoder performs against LAME.
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