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Lexmark Recalls 40,000 Laser Printers

ack154 writes "An electrical shock hazard has caused Lexmark to recall about 39,400 laser printers. The printers were sold under the nameplates of Lexmark, IBM, and Dell. From the article: "The recalled printers include Lexmark E232, E232t, E330, E332n, E332tn; IBM Infoprint 1412, 1412n; Dell 1700 and 1700n." Contact information is provided in the article in order to get your free replacement."

114 comments

  1. Open source printers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    See, if the printers were open source, then this problem would have been caught much earlier!

    1. Re:Open source printers by thepeete · · Score: 0, Funny

      And I would turn them into Ray Guns

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    2. Re:Open source printers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      actually, some of them have GPLed firmware (maybe all)

    3. Re:Open source printers by simcop2387 · · Score: 1

      nah thats what your TV remote is for
      http://www.gpf-comics.com/d/20010828.html

    4. Re:Open source printers by epsalon · · Score: 1

      Actually, a closed-source printer driver was what made RMS start GNU in the first place...

    5. Re:Open source printers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Much earlier"?!?! the Dell printers affected were made like 2 months ago! Just how much quick would you like a product defect that was found BY THE COMPANY ITSELF to be recalled? There haven't even been an injuries reported as a result of this.
      How typical for someone frequenting /. to think that slapping "Open Source" in front of ANYTHING can make it better/faster/less prone to breakage.

  2. Is that just electrical shock... by jkrise · · Score: 1, Insightful

    or is Lexmark implementing a no-refilled-toner circuit on the sly in the replacement printers? They're known for some sharp practices with their inkjet series of printers, aren't they?

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    1. Re:Is that just electrical shock... by wheany · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it's just electric shock.

    2. Re:Is that just electrical shock... by berkut7 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Take off your tin foil hat for a second? DO you even understand the difference between inkjet and laser?

    3. Re:Is that just electrical shock... by Tuvai · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sharp practices maybe, but product recalls are almost always a grave embarrassment for any company.
      Watching your stocks take a sharp fall and your reputation dented is far too steep a price to pay for squeezing some extra cash out of a few thousand customers, there's machiavelian and then there's stupid.

    4. Re:Is that just electrical shock... by Andy_R · · Score: 4, Funny

      Or put on a tinfoil body suit and ignore the recall!

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    5. Re:Is that just electrical shock... by gnu-generation-one · · Score: 1

      "or is Lexmark implementing a no-refilled-toner circuit on the sly in the replacement printers?"

      Maybe it gives the electric shock to anyone installing a non-approved ink cartridge?

    6. Re:Is that just electrical shock... by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      Start planning your own funeral then :)

    7. Re:Is that just electrical shock... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      Lexmark printers - so good IBM wouldn't put their name on them.

    8. Re:Is that just electrical shock... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      The question is, do you understand the difference? Toner cartridges are regularly refilled. This deprives the greedy printer manufacturers of revenue, though not as much as if you buy an inkjet and then refill the horrendously expensive carts. Of course, some inkjets are designed to be refill-friendly, notably many models from Canon. Canon has forgotten more about imaging than Lexmark will ever know.

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    9. Re:Is that just electrical shock... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Why?


      For all we know Lexmark could be taking a stand against toner refill spam!

  3. Lexmark missed its Mark by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I never was a real fan of Lexmark printers but they are actually pritty popular because they can take a lot of paper trays. I have seen some 4 or 5 high with paper trays. They are very popular at banks. I havent been to a bank yet that doesn't use Lexmark Printers. That may just be because banks are cheap. But reparing some lexmark printeres and seeing where there are a lot of oversights in the design process of the printers where there could be a problem like that. There not like HP or Xerox (I am talking about Laser Printers not the others) printers which are designed quite well.

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    1. Re:Lexmark missed its Mark by ecalkin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      in a weird, twisted way, lexmark isn't doing badly...

      i was teaching (certified ms and novell) classes in lexington, oh about 1997 or so, and we had some lexmark people in our classes. one day they mentioned that they were celebrating! and what were they celebrating? they had obtained a *whole* 1 percent of laser printer marketshare.

      if you counted the hardware that hp manufactured for other vendors (hp made a lot of apple lasers, etc), they at the time were 85 to 95 percent of the market. canon, lexmark, epson, brother, etc were fighting for the leftovers.

      as a side note, it was interesting in central ky to watch a marketing slogan vaporize overnight. as a selling point, "it's made in lexington" or "it's made in kentucky" as very popular. then they moved manufacturing to mexico (or china). it was amazing to hear the marketing people just about leave a blank spot in they speeches where it used to be.

      eric

    2. Re:Lexmark missed its Mark by wertarbyte · · Score: 1

      then they moved manufacturing to mexico (or china). it was amazing to hear the marketing people just about leave a blank spot in they speeches where it used to be.
      Did they ever think about changing their name to Mexmark?

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    3. Re:Lexmark missed its Mark by EtherMonkey · · Score: 2, Informative

      I havent been to a bank yet that doesn't use Lexmark Printers. That may just be because banks are cheap.

      No, its because banks are traditionally die-hard IBM customers, and Lexmark is a spin-off of IBM's printer division. Price is usually at the bottom of the list for Banks.

      I'm not a fan of Lexmark either, but HP seems to be doing all it can to match Lexmark in the crappy printer and software arena. Fortunately, at least the higher-end HP lasers are still decent, provided you can find a compatible driver built-in to your Operating System; using HP's printer drivers is like playing Russian roulette with 5 out of 6 chambers loaded.
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    4. Re:Lexmark missed its Mark by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Banks have lexmark printers because banks have IBM hardware. I've lost count of the number of banks I've gone into and seen using IBM glass terminals. Often they end up upgrading (?) to PCs and running a 3270 emulator to talk to their mainframes until they get some other GUI client spun up - frequently a screen-scraper itself.

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    5. Re:Lexmark missed its Mark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, a lot of Lexmark laser printers are made by Xerox. Xerox has OEMd laser printers for a number of companies.

  4. This is a feature. by John_Allen_Mohammed · · Score: 4, Funny

    No reason to recall these printers. Who here, wouldn't mind getting a nasty little shock every once in a while, besides me ? I wont be participating in this recall, no thank you Lexmark.

    My first good discharge, when I was 13, working on the circuit board of a commodore monitor. Not sure what I touched but I could feel the wave of electricity going up and through my arm, couldn't move, literally I was stuck for at least 2 seconds. Pretty scary but thrilling at the same time. I wouldn't call it a near death experience but it was damn near exciting.

    Peace.

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    1. Re:This is a feature. by miskatonic+alumnus · · Score: 1

      That's nothing man. When I was 6, I decided to perform my first scientific experiment and jam a fork into an electrical socket! I turned it loose right when it went in and received no shock. But, the circuit breaker tripped, and the faceplate was blackened. Immediately thereafter I heard my father's voice booming "Boy! Whatcha doing in there!?!"

    2. Re:This is a feature. by Himring · · Score: 1

      This reminds me of that line from National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation:

      "Since I got that metal plate in my head, every time the wife uses the microwave, I forget where I'm at and piss my pants...."

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    3. Re:This is a feature. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      My first good discharge, when I was 13

      Don't worry - it's fairly common at that age!

    4. Re:This is a feature. by ballpoint · · Score: 1

      I had nearly exactly the same experience when I was 4. The only difference was that I plugged in the two probes of my 'Electro' game (because the battery was down). Same effect: a blackened socket, tripped breaker and a very worried father.

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    5. Re:This is a feature. by Joel+Carr · · Score: 1

      Reminds of when I was about 7 and I stuck the 1.5V globe from my Go-Go Gadget Yo-Yo into the 240V power point... As I lent forward and flipped the switch, there was a massive bang and flash. It scared the crap out of me, but nowhere near as much as observing the now blackend wall did. Scared crapless of what my dad would do when he found out, I stack everything I had in the room around the area to hide the damage... Somehow dad figured something was up... ;-)

      Then there was that time I wanted to see if the 'paper bark' tree burnt like paper....

      Ah good times! :-)

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    6. Re:This is a feature. by WarmBoota · · Score: 1

      As kids, we stole a Stop sign from the Police station (that's just ACT I of "Child Morons").

      We then stripped a lamp cord, plugged it into the wall and started touching the bare wires to the Stop sign on our bedroom floor.

      This was fun until a stray spark hit my brother and caused his thermal underwear to ignite into flames - Then it was really hilarious

      It's a wonder that we all made it to adulthood.

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    7. Re:This is a feature. by Nerd4News · · Score: 1

      Here's one that's actually useful, sort of.

      Take an old appliance cord about 2 feet long with the plug on one end. Strip an inch or two of insulation off the other end of the two wires and wrap each one around the head end of a 10 penny nail. Use a plain steel nail not galvanized for reasons that will become obvious later.

      In your left hand place a hot dog bun then put a hot dog in the bun. Insert each nail about two inches into opposite ends of the hot dog. Don't let them touch! Holding the hot dog and bun in one hand and the plug in the other, insert the plug into the nearest hot socket for a few seconds. You'll know when to stop. Add garnish and eat.

      We use to do this all the time at the race track when we wanted a quick meal and were too lazy to fire up the grill.

    8. Re:This is a feature. by suckmysav · · Score: 1

      "Then there was that time I wanted to see if the 'paper bark' tree burnt like paper..."

      So? Did it?

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  5. Why not buy a 3rd-party printer for the OEM toner? by syntap · · Score: 1

    That would turn the tables a bit on the normal Lexmark materials issue.

  6. hmmm.. by next1 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Contact information is provided in the article in order to get your free replacement.

    and.. for those already electrocuted?

    1. Re:hmmm.. by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 0

      Free Crispy finger nibbles for everyone in the office?

      Bring your own bbq sauce!

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    2. Re:hmmm.. by WhiteDeath · · Score: 1

      Replacement staff are available from your nearest employment agency or social security office.

      Units still capable of operating may be secured by downloading a "rubber glove" patch.

  7. Great gift idea by wackysootroom · · Score: 4, Funny

    Thanks for the great gift idea, slashdot. With Christmas just around the corner I know that my PHB will just love a printer in his office that's his very own.

    1. Re:Great gift idea by Lord+Dimwit+Flathead · · Score: 1

      Wow, what a marvelous idea. One of the first things my PHB did upon coming to our team was to requisition our networked color LaserJet for use as her dedicated printer (it was more important for her not to have to walk 15 feet for her output than for the rest of us to have a color printer). With one of these, we can reclaim our shared printer and show our profound appreciation for all she's done for us, all in one fell swoop!

    2. Re:Great gift idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suppose in that case, she'll be a really pointy haired boss!

  8. Who says... by ka9qpn · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...you can't set a laser printer on 'stun'?

    1. Re:Who says... by BetterThanCaesar · · Score: 2, Funny

      I want frickin' sharks with frickin' laser printers attached to their heads!

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    2. Re:Who says... by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 1

      What really would be funny would be if this were happening to the Xerox colour laser printer range previously owned by Tektronix.

      Why? Because the name of the range is Phaser.

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  9. Hee Hee by Omicron · · Score: 3, Funny

    If you REALLY want to tweak a Dell rep, when you have them on the phone, talk about the nice Lexmark printers they are selling. They are very adamant that they aren't Lexmarks, they are Dells. It's pretty hilarious. Our rep kinda jumped down our bosses throat when he called them Lexmarks. It's fun to mess with them. Especially when you see articles like these, and others, talking about the Lexmark printers.

    1. Re:Hee Hee by fuzzix · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This is a fact - you'll also find that Dell don't provide the same level of driver support on these rebadged pieces of crap.

      I recently had an experience where a friend of my Dad bought a Dell printer for his ageing Win98 box. The supplied driver disc was for Win2K/XP only. A little research yielded the fact that the Dell model (A920) was the exact same as the Lexmark X1150. I remember the model numbers due to the trauma involved... Lexmark provide a Win9x driver for this model. Dell don't. Attempts to install the Lexmark driver were hampered by the fact that the printer identified itself as Dell.

      Even worse was the fact that upon calling Dell it was suggested he buy a new machine - from Dell of course. I started wondering if there was some specific reason for the lack of support - Surely Win9x support means you would sell more printers! Ah, you want to sell more of those boxes instead...

      A friend of my sister works for Dell front line support. I asked him about the situation and he said "yeah, we had a few calls about that..." and nothing else.

      Me: Why no 98 driver? The Lexmark version has one - surely a trivial matter for one of your guys to customise it for the Dell version.
      Him: But it's a Dell printer - a Lexmark driver won't work.
      Me (slapping forehead): Why is there no 98 driver?
      Him: Yeah, we had a few calls on that.
      Me: I can see how you got that Dell job.
      Him: Thanks!

      He bought a new box (not from Dell, thankfully) and the old machine was donated to a local school. I guess all's Dell that ends Dell...

    2. Re:Hee Hee by craenor · · Score: 1

      First of all, while Dell doesn't advertise who makes their printers, it's also not a big secret. Furthermore, Lexmark is not the only printer manufacturer they partner with.

      Of course, it's also just entirely possible that you'll get someone on the phone who just doesn't know who makes the printers. The internal documentation available to sales and most tech support reps doesn't call this information out, it's not relevant to what they do.

      As for legacy drivers. Why should Dell be obligated to provide Driver support for Operating Systems they don't sell and haven't sold for years? Dell never sold printers at the same time it sold Windows 98. Most people do not "just" buy a Dell Printer, they buy it with a system purchase.

      Lastly, the support information for the printer and basic information available on the website clearly states which Operating Systems the printer can use. Note further down the page on the right under Compatibility .. where is says, Compatible only with Windows 2000 and Windows XP. http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/compare.a spx/allinone?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd

    3. Re:Hee Hee by fuzzix · · Score: 2, Insightful
      As for legacy drivers. Why should Dell be obligated to provide Driver support for Operating Systems they don't sell and haven't sold for years? Dell never sold printers at the same time it sold Windows 98. Most people do not "just" buy a Dell Printer, they buy it with a system purchase.
      Lastly, the support information for the printer and basic information available on the website clearly states which Operating Systems the printer can use. Note further down the page on the right under Compatibility .. where is says, Compatible only with Windows 2000 and Windows XP.
      I never said this guy was the brightest spark - even if he read the minimum specs he probably wouldn't know if his machine met them. I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume you work for Dell... I just get the feeling, is all. Following from that assumption I would guess you have dealt with Dell customers. Had any who have known what's going on and what to do right off the bat? No? That's probably why the support guys have that script - easier to assume they've tried nothing.

      The reason I was stunned by the situation is that Lexmark offer a Win9x driver for what is essentially exactly the same hardware. It wouldn't cost Dell a lot to include a "legacy" driver on their CD and they might sell a few more printers. They already have driver code to work with! Small changes required! Hell, I might have tried it myself if I had known enough about WinDriver hacking...

      The fact that printers are offered individually means people are buying them. I guess at least 10% of people are still using Win9x. That's 10% of a potential customer base cut right out. I know Dell aren't obliged to supply a legacy driver, but not doing so seems to me to be a bit silly given the effort required.
    4. Re:Hee Hee by TheHawke · · Score: 1

      Hee hee, what a riot that was.

      Now if only someone would be so kind and dredge up a cross-reference chart for their inkjet cartridges so that the poor folks that bought dell inkjets can buy their ink at the local wal-mart, instead of relying on mail order.

      I KNOW that they are Lexmark carts, it's just which model cross-refs with the Dell model #'s.

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    5. Re:Hee Hee by anethema · · Score: 1

      Just find out which lexmark printer it is and download the manual online.

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    6. Re:Hee Hee by jackbird · · Score: 1

      They don't even support 2000 and XP. Having the audacity to share a 920 on the network scambles the screen and requires a reboot. Dell's forums are ripshit about it.

    7. Re:Hee Hee by TheHawke · · Score: 1

      Easier said than done, I would need a pictorial guide as to which printer that the dell is emulating.

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  10. Reminds me when I worked in a Belgian IT dept.... by Phil+John · · Score: 1, Funny

    ...we used to called Lexmark "Lex merde" cause of the crap they used to churn out.

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  11. Ugh... by Heem · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So now you have a "get out of lexmark-hell free" card. Return your old printer for the recall and get the new one fresh in the box. Sell the new printer as "brand new in box" on ebay or in local papers. Then go out to the store and get a decent printer.

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    1. Re:Ugh... by whereiswaldo · · Score: 1

      Yes! I'm also for that suggestion. Lexmark will cost you in the end for ink cartridges. Go with laser and you won't be sorry. Sure the upfront price is usually a lot higher, but you will make that up in short time with the savings in ink cartridges vs. seldom replaced toner cartridges.
      I personally have a Brother 5-in-1 and it works awesome.

  12. This is only the testing phase... by miskatonic+alumnus · · Score: 4, Funny

    Do to massive copyright infringement, whenever someone prints out copyrighted materials they will receive an electric shock!!

    1. Re:This is only the testing phase... by afidel · · Score: 1

      Exactly. And since all origional works are defacto copyrighted in all Bern signitories this is a feature not a bug!

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  13. Slashdot recalls 40,000 IT stories by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A color shock hazard has caused Lexmard to recall about 39,400 laser printers. The stories were posted under the editorship of Timothy, Michael and Hemos. From the article: "The recalled stories include Lexmark Recalls 40,000 Laser Printers, Interview of Danger (Sidekick II) CEO Hank Nothhaft and Is Intel Making Too Many Chips? Contact information is provided in the article in order to get your free replacement which is easyer on the eyes. Oops, no! The replacement has the same eye-shocking colors! The dastartds!

  14. Re:Reminds me when I worked in a Belgian IT dept.. by mirko · · Score: 1

    And I am not surprised they only sold 40000 of these, people usually rush and get other stuff, like my HP Deskjet 510 which still works perfectly 11 years later :)

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  15. What matters is how mistakes are handled by Alwin+Henseler · · Score: 4, Insightful
    From the article: "Lexmark shares were down $3.24, or 3.8 percent, to $82.86, in midday trading on the New York Stock Exchange"

    I find it weird that people (or stockholders) would react so negatively to news like this. Making millions of consumer electronic items, there will always be some mistakes made. What matters is not that shit happens, but how it is handled.

    Ofcourse it would be nice if products were perfect, but I don't regard a manufacturer any worse because of a mishap like this. If they handle such a recall in a painless and professional way, that would more likely boost my confidence in them. Problems like this are often very minor things, and say nothing about the overall quality of their product.

    I would think worse (and less likely buy something) of a company that tries to look good, sweep problems under the rug, and pretend nothing happened.

    1. Re:What matters is how mistakes are handled by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's because the stock market's dirty little secret is that it's just a huge gambling house. "Negative news" means it's time to sell short and "positive news" means it's time to buy. Go check out any of the daytrader boards and you'll see it.

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    2. Re:What matters is how mistakes are handled by Robmonster · · Score: 1

      Sure mistakes are made in all lines of business, but when these mistakes can result in actualy bodily harm you can understand stockholders adverse reactions.

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    3. Re:What matters is how mistakes are handled by swillden · · Score: 1

      I find it weird that people (or stockholders) would react so negatively to news like this.

      How could they not react negatively? Stock price isn't a measure of coolness or the 'quality' of the company, it's a measure of the company's monetary *value*, and this has damaged it.

      Investing 101: The current price of its stock should reflect the value of current assets plus future dividends divided by the number of shares outstanding. This news means that Lexmark will have to pay for 40,000 replacement printers, plus all of the administrative overhead involved in taking the calls and managing and executing the exchanges. That will cost many millions of dollars; probably close to $100M. Where does that money come from? Debt, current assets, near-future earnings or some combination. The value of the company has just declined by some $100M, which is more than an entire quarter's profits.

      Were the market completely rational, and were it to take the view that this is not indicative of bad management, but just a completely upredictable fluke, the share price probably should drop by a little less than $1. In reality, it *may* be indicative of bad management and a harbinger of things to come, and the market does tend to overreact to every bit of news, so the price change is pretty much in line with what I'd expect.

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    4. Re:What matters is how mistakes are handled by loraksus · · Score: 1

      3.8% isn't much of a change.
      Not quite the example of a really negative response, given that the stock price is back up to 83.74 (Up 1.78 (2.17%) end of business on the 8th.

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  16. Sorry, can't help it.... by Eric_Cartman_South_P · · Score: 2, Funny
    I have one of those printers, and they are awesome. This article is bullshit. I've got auto-double-sided-printing going on right now with 20 copies, and even my APC tower for my desktop says everythIN4$%JK#%DAT+0+0[NO CARRIER]

  17. It's official.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Netcraft confirms: Lexmark users are dying.

  18. Wireless phone charger? by Kokuyo · · Score: 0, Funny

    Hey, wasn't there a device on /. a few months back that could actually recharge a laptop or a mobile phone just by putting them onto a mat? Well, perhaps this is just a prototype in a field test? ;)

  19. Re:Since when is 39,400 equal to 40,000? by tigress · · Score: 4, Funny

    You, my dear, have never worked in journalism.

    In journalism, 39400 is a difficult number. Many reporters have trouble understanding numbers such as those. Thus, it is rounded up to 40000, because that's both easier to comprehend and it looks cooler (lots of zeros).

    Next in line are the editors. The editors like round numbers, that's why the reporters always round their numbers up. Most editors like round numbers so much that they round them up to, let's say, 50000, which obviously is half of 100000.

    You might also have noticed that lexmark stock is down $3.46 from this morning. Let's apply the same techniques that we learned earlier. Let's make this a nice, round figure of $5.

    Now, Lexmark has about 129.5 million shares outstanding. This means, in journalist-speak, that there are 200 million lexmark shares on the market. Multiply this with the figure you got earlier (this part is very difficult for most reporters and editors) and you get $1,000,000,000.

    This looks very impressive, right? Still, there's something missing. Of course there is! Let's add the word "over". What do we get?

    LEXMARK MAKES OVER $1,000,000,000 LOSS ON PRINTER RECALL

    Isn't that a headline to be proud of?

    Of course, you might ask what the heck I'm smoking and what this has to do with reality. If you do that, you've uncovered one of the greatest secrets about journalism - it has nothing to do with reality at all.

    Oh, and by the way, where did all those $1,000,000,000 USD go? Well, I'll tell you. In fact, I could use a bit of help in transfering those to a private bank acount. If you care to help me out, I can offer you a 30% share of the money...

  20. With apologies to Electric Six... by Elphin · · Score: 5, Funny

    Fire in the Lexmark
    Fire in the rebadged dell
    Fire in the Lexmark
    Fire in the gates of hell

    Don't you want to know how we keep starting fires?
    It's my Lexmark, It's my Lexmark, It's my Lexmark

    Don't you want to know how we keep starting fires?
    It's my Lexmark, It's my Lexmark, It's my Lexmark

    Danger! Danger! High Voltage!
    When we touch, When we print
    Danger! Danger! High Voltage!
    When we touch, when we print
    when we touch

    1. Re:With apologies to Electric Six... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, that's the gayest thing I've ever read, including the GNAA posts!

  21. It was also discovered . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny
    . . . that these printers were able to use non-chipped, refillable toner cartridges. Company spokesmen denied this fact had anything to do with the decision to recall.

    ~~~

  22. I just ordered mine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Yesterday my dad asked me to order a new toner cartridge for our Dell 1700... I was going to order it tonight (for $130) but then I saw this article. It turns out the 1700 is one of the printers being recalled, so I decided to get ours replaced hoping that it would come with a new toner cartridge. The process was extremely simple. I typed in the service tag, and on the next page the name and address were correctly filled in already so I hit submit. It's coming in 2-3 business days and they're also giving us pre-paid packaging to send the old printer back. I'm not sure how the other companies are handling it, but with Dell it couldn't have been any easier.

  23. Safety certification by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Together with the IBM adapter recall last week , it would seem the CPSC is getting better at picking out product safety faults than UL whom the manufacturers actually pay to do this kind of thing.

  24. why stop there? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    they should recall ALL lexmark printers. I've yet to see one that was worth using.

  25. Any chance they can add the Z65n to the list? by eexlebots · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That particularly lovely model of printer also had "electrical problems"; that is, the power supply melted away! Then after a quick search I found I was not the only one with the same melty problem. So this news surprises me, but only because Lexmark is actually recalling a faulty product!

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  26. Reminds me of my coop experience in college by crosseyedatnite · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Back before there were laser printers for PCs, the first laser printer I encountered was an IBM unit the size of about 6 racks and had a drum with a diameter of about 3 feet. It used the old pin-fed paper and like the line printers it stood next to, took paper by the box. It could go through an entire box of paper in 7 minutes.

    Thus, you had this huge fast spinning drum in a very dry environment. When it was first installed it was improperly grounded, and soon afterward one print room employee got severly shocked, with the static charge arcing about a foot, knocking him across the room. The details weren't made public, but I believe he got a decent settlement from IBM.

    I guess you could say this isn't the first incident of electic shock from a laster printer...

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  27. Serial Number not found by xyote · · Score: 1

    Call the 800 number. I have a bad feeling about this. I don't think Lexmark has to replace them with a new model. They can give you a refurbished model. Of course it will still be under warranty but warranties are worth sh*t. What kind of condition it is in counts more, especially for mechanical devices. If you think otherwise, you should buy the merchandise in Best Buy in obviously crushed boxes to save $10. So the box was dropped hard enough to partly separate the components from the boards and misalign the mechanical parts. It's under warranty, right?

  28. Parent is 4, Informative? Reading comprehension by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do you understand how to read? He didn't compare inkjet and laser, but rather the practices companies use to disallow 3rd party product usage.

  29. Shocking. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    No, really. That's shocking.

  30. sp by PhraudulentOne · · Score: 1

    An electrical shock hazard has caused Lexmard to recall about 39,400 laser printers.

    Is it really Lexmard?

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  31. report the news correctly by Celt · · Score: 1

    Headline reads "Lexmark Recalls 40,000 Laser Printers" then the story goes onto to say "An electrical shock hazard has caused Lexmard to recall about 39,400 laser printers." so infact they did'ent recall 40,000 printers! :)

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  32. Lexmark == IBM by ImaLamer · · Score: 1
    Ok, maybe the subject is misleading...

    Lexmark was spun off of IBM, which is why many were sold under the IBM nameplate.

    But still, I've got a bone to pick. Many people here are saying that Lexmark printers aren't "real" or "decent" printers, but why?

    I often gaffed at people who owned Lexmark printers because I never had used one and I never had one myself. With my last computer I got a Lexmark for free and I let it sit in the box for a good month. I refused to hook it up.

    But it works very, very well. It's an inkjet and after lots of bad experiences with HP and even Epson brand inkjets I'm convinced that that this one will stay on my desk. The ink is waterproof (dropped a piece of paper in the sink, you'd never know now), prints fast and yes... it's supported by Linux.

    The trick with any printer under any operating system is knowning that most work the same. While there was no "driver" for my particular model it was easy to just test a few before finding the one that worked with mine (Z705). I think I tried a total of two before finding one that worked.

    No matter. I find it silly to continue to support companies just because that is all you'll use. I was like this years ago when I thought that brand names were everything... but now that I've grown up a bit I've realized that performance is what matters.

    Sure, I'll likely go with HP the first time I buy a laser printer but that all depends.

    1. Re:Lexmark == IBM by mefus · · Score: 1

      I often gaffed at people who owned Lexmark printers

      Isn't that dangerous?

      You sound like you are swayed by other people's prejudices without even discovering their cause. There are reasons to dislike Lexmark.

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    2. Re:Lexmark == IBM by ImaLamer · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I didn't think of the true meaning of the word...

    3. Re:Lexmark == IBM by NeoSkandranon · · Score: 1

      Most poeple I know who dislike lexmark had some issue iwth the craftsmanship of the printer---the feed mechanism started eating paper later in life, the print head guides crapped out, things like that. Usually after the warranty was out.

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    4. Re:Lexmark == IBM by Ark42 · · Score: 1


      You forgot the inability to print colors correctly.
      Well, the ones I've owned were like that. You want yellow? How about orange instead! Black? naw.. Dark brown is good enough!
      And it did quite often print onto a stack of 3 pieces of paper , each slighly ahead of the previous one, just enough so it wasted the first two sheets with small lines of color.

      I've had a lot of great HP and just recently got a Cannon and the colors are always amazingly close to what I see on-screen.

    5. Re:Lexmark == IBM by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      Lexmark is not very well supported by Linux (Inkjet wise anyway). And their Windows drivers are shit too.

      I had a Lexmark that would not allow the drivers to be installed for a remote printer. And the driver talked out load when you were using it (very annoying). And had a status that would pop up and display as it said "printing started" and would hang the whole system.

      Jobs spooling to this printer would hang in and undeletable state more often then any other porinter I have used too.

      Also, another one I have come to own has a linux driver of sorts, but it pauses at the end of every page for 30 seconds before spitting it out.

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    6. Re:Lexmark == IBM by NeoSkandranon · · Score: 1

      I have an HP currently..I'm pleased with its operation and print quality but the cost of cartiges are killing me....I'm done with Canon, I had a bubblejet years back that would NOT print to save its miserable life (the scanner addon worked perfectly however)

      Epson's next in line methinks.

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    7. Re:Lexmark == IBM by Ark42 · · Score: 1

      The Canon "photo printers" seem very nice. I got a i960 for just over $100 and it has 6 separate color tanks, each one replacable on its own for about $9. My old HP was really a killer with its $35 tricolor cartridge and $30 black cartridge. I always ran out of one color and had to replace the whole thing, and they never lasted long either.
      I never used to like Canon much, but I think they are definately worth it now. I'm not sure having 2 different shades of magenta and cyan really helps photos look that much better, but being able to replace any single tank of ink for only $9 seems like a real money saver.

  33. RTFA, mate. by PMuse · · Score: 1
    and.. for those already electrocuted?

    Not only is there contact information in the friendly article, there is also this little gem:

    The printers can short-circuit, prompting the shock danger, the agency said, but noted it had no reports of incidents or injuries.
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  34. HP must be rejoicing by Donny+Smith · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Great news for HP - they must be laughing their asses off!

    This is interesting news in relation to HP vs. Dell (Lexmark, that is) printer war.

    Dell wants to screw up HP by selling directly cheap(er) printers that are supposedly as good as HP's. Well, that's obviously not entirely true.

    HP laser printers aren't cheap, but they're good.
    The question is can Dell find a supplier that can equal HP in quality and newest technology?

  35. Isn't that a feature? by EtherMonkey · · Score: 1

    Gee, and all this time [bzzzttt] I thought that was a Security Feature [pfftt] to address clueless users. [zzzZAAAP!] Sort-of like a bug light for IT idiots.

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  36. In your face, E330! by Apostata · · Score: 1

    Thought I'd purchased too soon when I got our E320, but now I have no regrets :)

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  37. child adventures by mefus · · Score: 1

    I was 13 when I moved up from sticking knives in sockets and cut plugs in the outlets.

    I found dead hemlock stems were very stiff, light, and, by leaving a bit of root on the end while trimming the leaves and flowers off the stems, I could make a javelin I could launch a good 100yds. at least.

    So there I am tossing it over the highest wires of the telephone pole, when the javelin catches on the near high-voltage wire, then falls over onto the far high-voltage wire.

    When it looked like it was bursting into flame I turned to run in the house, and saw the house light up in a big blue flash (nice noise effects, too)

    Every house in the 'hood flickered, and a few minutes passed when a PG&E drone went by...

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  38. Product Safety Problem by lcsjk · · Score: 2, Insightful
    As a product safety engineer, one of my jobs was working with UL/CSA/VDE/CE and the ISO-1950 worldwide requirement. Most likely, this recall is a result of not meeting that ISO-1950 or other product safety requirement. If you don't meet the requirement and someone gets hurt, the company is liable, and in some countries, (Germany I believe- at one time) a visiting manager is considered responsible and can be jailed until the issue is resolved. (Gets your attention if you are a manager.) Lexmark can put a new printer on the market without passing these tests, but if there is an accident they can be sued for everything they have. A small change in manufacturing process or a part change for cost reduction can result in an unanticipated failure and be the reason for a large recall. Most likely there will never be a problem, but companies cannot afford to take chances. Also, if they have applied the safety logo (UL/CE etc.), they are responsible for keeping the product safe, i.e., meeting the safety requirements.

    At my old company we said, "If the product was not tested, lawsuits could run us out of business. If we pass tests and someone does something stupid and gets hurt, then the courts will not award the person more than $100,000.

  39. Obligatory joke by CanadianCrackPot · · Score: 1

    ZAP!
    Victim: Stupid piece of shit printer, time to call Dell support. Why can't I grab the phone.
    Annoying Dell spokesboy walks in
    Spokesboy: Dude! You're going to Hell!
    Victim: WTF? What are you talking about boy it's hot in here...
    Sees Satan
    Victim: Oh crap....

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  40. Screw Lexmark by DeathPenguin · · Score: 1

    They're the ones who tried to use the DMCA to stifle competition in the aftermarket toner cartridge market. Take advantage of the recall to make them lose more money, but please don't ever buy another Lexmark printer!

  41. In other news by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

    Lexmark reports record second hand sales of its E232, E232t, E330, E332n, E332tn printers. Apparently most of the leather and printers were bought by members of an organization named GWSF (Geeks With Shock Fetish).[shudders]

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  42. Recall revised... by indros13 · · Score: 1
    Lexmark printers are being recalled because inkjet replacement sticker shock poses a danger to the user. Same models apply.

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  43. Re:What's next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ha! Overrated? Why yes, the Apache scheme is.

  44. I'm sure it was caused by... by nusratt · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... the "illicit" third-party toner cartridges.

  45. F%&$ing Dell... by hesiod · · Score: 1

    It all adds up now!

    2-3 months ago, my company ordered a dozen or so new PCs. Three weeks later we call to see where they are, and they have no record of the order. We place it again, and they offer us two free Laser printers with it to apologize!

    They were 1700s... Now I have to wonder if they knew about this flaw before & were trying to unload them on unsuspecting businesses... Guess I can't complain TOO much, since they were free & good-enough quality for my office.

  46. I'm surprised by The+FooMiester · · Score: 1

    With the way Lexmark makes their printers, that they're not instructing users to throw their printers away after removing the nameplate from the back, and mailing the nameplate back to lexmark.

    I mean, after all, they are the maker of the famous $40 printer that takes $35 ink cartridge.

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  47. Re:Any chance they can add the S45n to the list? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    S45 is an old A3 inkjet. The plastic tends to yellow, 5 of these with dead 24V rails and fusion damage.

    Both big brands have issues with 'Network' servers that die, which may indicate something.
    If network cards die, or loose settings, there is probably a chance that it is electricals.

    The authorities should check on motion activated floodlight sensors - DC with a live capacitor dropper, and a piece of buss jumper wire for 'F1'

  48. Took y'all long enough to find out by KB3JJY · · Score: 2, Interesting

    took long enough for y'all to post this I work at a branch of the countries largest office supply change. We pulled the machine in early august as ordered by lexmark. When the retail lexmark rep came in he told me their was a powersupply problem but if any yone asks just tell them we are bringing out a new model. I couldn't believe it they took long enough for the consumer recall and didn't want to recall them. This lexmark sales rep said the problem was do to grounding and anyone with a modern house would be safe, he said lexmark engineers believe most people have houses up to the NEC(National Electric Code) He gave me a gift certificate to keep quite. If I get some good posts back I will give out more info

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  49. Similarly... by rjamestaylor · · Score: 1
    • A freedom of choice hazard has caused Lexmark to recall almost all of their ink jet printers. The printers were sold as individual items but were actually tied to Lemark-brand ink refills and proprietary print drivers which worked with a subset of available operating systems. From the article: "The recalled printers include Lexmark z55 and nearly all the cheap-ass printers found at Frys, CompUSA, BestBuy and other low-end electronic retailers."

    File this under "Would that it be true."

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  50. Lexmark is an IBM spinoff... by pstemari · · Score: 1

    ..and banks bleed blue. Banks have Lexmark printers because of the historic relationship with IBM.

  51. ObSimpsons by sharkey · · Score: 1
    Who here, wouldn't mind getting a nasty little shock every once in a while, besides me ?

    "I should have warned you. That clock gets incredibly hot if you leave it plugged in."

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