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Emusic Relaunches - Cheap, DRM-Free Downloads

An anonymous reader writes "Emusic.com has relaunched today. This is important for several reasons. 1) They sell MP3s. No DRM. I can play them on my Linux box or wherever. 2) They are encoding at 192Kbit/s VBR. That's near CD quality (and how I rip my own CDs). They are focusing on lesser known independent music and providing some editorial content to separate the good from the bad. I see lots of great jazz, classical, and folk/country stuff in their library. 4) Subscription rate is 9.99/month for 40 tracks. That is $0.25 a track. Much cheaper than everywhere else. It's near my pricepoint. This is the first online music store that I will seriously consider. (And actually the first that I _can_ consider since I'm a linux user.)"

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  1. Want to see what they have? by DrunkenTerror · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Re:Want to see what they have? by DrunkenTerror · · Score: 5, Informative


      And here's a Coral link!
      She's getting hammered, as of 20:19 UTC.

    2. Re:Want to see what they have? by Tyndmyr · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Independant bands are all well and good, but Id like to see the major bands signing on with these. Wait, you say the major bands are crap, and are only popular because the labels cram them down our necks?

      Partially true indeed, but at least some popular or semi-popular songs are quite good. This product does however appear to be cheap enough to supplement kaaza and cd ripping. Why steal when you can buy cheaply?

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    3. Re:Want to see what they have? by gfody · · Score: 4, Interesting

      why don't more sites use a simple query tool like newegg's? just about every site tries to categorize everything into drill down categories that actually maximizing the amount of clicks it takes to find what you want.

      here is what it will take for me to pay for music:
      1) must host every song ever, available for immediate speedy download in more than a few different formats/bitrates
      2) a query tool (genre, artist, date of release, lyrics, etc) at LEAST a simple search utility
      3) when I select a song I want to see the list of "other people who selected this song also selected.."

      thats it.. first site to implement these 3 features gets my money. I don't care what it costs.

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    4. Re:Want to see what they have? by grub · · Score: 3, Interesting


      Independant bands are all well and good, but Id like to see the major bands signing on with these.

      Won't happen. EMUSICs focus is small, indie bands (for the most part) because the big labels won't let their stuff be released with DRM 'protection'.

      It's good for the indies, really, as all the big stuff is available for free anyhow so this gives the indies some exposure.

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    5. Re:Want to see what they have? by bubkus_jones · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Major label bands have their (outdated, some say) distribution model. Indie bands don't have as many resources, and have to work harder to get thier music out to anywhere outside their local touring area.

      This provides a means of doing it that's 1) cheap for the consumer, 2) not giving it away, and 3) not trying to control the use of the file.

      I wouldn't want to see big-name bands on systems like these, because they'd push out the lesser known/indie bands, and the major labels would probably force emusic to use DRM'd files, which would defeat one of the big pro's of this service.

    6. Re:Want to see what they have? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'm the opposite. I'd like the major bands to stay away from services like emusic. Why? Major bands are pricier, they will require a higher price, that'll confuse things at the least. Also major bands will overwhelm the indies and we'll be back to square 1. What you're suggesting is the crap that's happened over and over again in USA with Walmart, Starbucks, McDonald's and all the other "major" shops that crowd out individuals and entrepreneurship and invite in the big brother.

      No. Keep the major bands in itunes and its clones, leave the indies alone in emusic and its clones. If you like both kinds, nothing stops you from using two or more services simultaneously.

    7. Re:Want to see what they have? by tfoss · · Score: 3, Informative
      here is what it will take for me to pay for music:
      1) must host every song ever, available for immediate speedy download in more than a few different formats/bitrates
      2) a query tool (genre, artist, date of release, lyrics, etc) at LEAST a simple search utility
      3) when I select a song I want to see the list of "other people who selected this song also selected.."

      thats it.. first site to implement these 3 features gets my money. I don't care what it costs.

      Hm, would you like those to come with a naked supermodel listening partner, or would you prefer she have a whipped-cream bikini instead?

      Seriously dude, if you are setting your sights that high (#1 by itself is im-freaking-possible), then you are not the target market.

      -Ted

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    8. Re:Want to see what they have? by schnell · · Score: 5, Insightful

      here is what it will take for me to pay for music:
      1) must host every song ever, available for immediate speedy download in more than a few different formats/bitrates
      2) a query tool (genre, artist, date of release, lyrics, etc) at LEAST a simple search utility
      3) when I select a song I want to see the list of "other people who selected this song also selected.."

      thats it.. first site to implement these 3 features gets my money. I don't care what it costs.

      iTMS has items #2 and #3. Every song ever? Come on, nobody has ever had that, nor would anyone want to. It wouldn't be worth the disk space to store or even the cost of electricity to rip the hundreds of thousands of old albums that will never, ever be purchased by anyone again. And nobody but geeks ask for multiple encoding rates ... the same Slashdot audience that whines about 99 cents being too much to pay for a song. Not exactly the target market businesses want to cater to.

      I'm not suggesting that you personally are doing this ... but some people in the past have made deliberately unachievable "want" lists for online music distribution as a justification for pirating music. (And before you ask, yes, I have downloaded music that I don't own; I can rationalize it [not available except on vinyl and I don't have/want a record player] but I know that it doesn't make it right.)

      I can say "I won't buy a satellite TV system until it has a.) 1000 channels and b.) costs less than $9.99/month." I can refuse to buy a DTV or Dish system because it doesn't meet my criteria. But it doesn't justify my going out and pirating satellite TV. The point is that you can sit on the sidelines of the legal downloading market for as long as you like, waiting for your wishlist of features, or you can use what's available to you now if it's good enough. Just don't use "it's not quite the way I want it" as an excuse for doing something wrong.

      Again - not saying the parent poster is doing this. But just throwing out a little cosmic karma caution to those who may be doing it.

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    9. Re:Want to see what they have? by hackstraw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why steal when you can buy cheaply?

      Why pay anything when you can pay nothing?

    10. Re:Want to see what they have? by InadequateCamel · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "...but I doubt that it's four times higher, which it would have to be for this to profitable."

      I imagine that the indie bands/labels are not charging the same licensing fees as the major labels, and thus a profit can be turned on a smaller per-song fee.

      No CD case, no CD "art", just the music. Sounds good to me, but then I AM biased, as I already partake in Warp Records' online offerings at www.warprecords.com/bleep (please pardon my HTML illiteracy)

  2. I for one... by XaviorPenguin · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...welcome our Cheap, DRM-Free Music Downloading Overlords!

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    1. Re:I for one... by ackthpt · · Score: 2, Funny
      ...welcome our Cheap, DRM-Free Music Downloading Overlords!

      Maybe they have Yusef Islam, dangerous music from a hight level threat to the USA. Kinda puts all that gangsta rap to shame, no?

      we listened to Peace Train and we LIKED IT!

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  3. I am signing up... by grasshoppa · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...if for no other reason than to encourage this kind of service.

    I haven't even seen the catalog yet. :)

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    1. Re:I am signing up... by Barlo_Mung_42 · · Score: 2

      Please do.
      I've been a member for almost two years. It's a fantastic service with a lot of great music, even if it hasn't all been blessed by the Top-40 Illuminati.

    2. Re:I am signing up... by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 3, Informative
      If you've got some capacity, try some of the following bands on there...

      The Fall, Cocteau Twins, Bauhaus, The Pixies. If you can find Cruiser's Creek on there,try it.

    3. Re:I am signing up... by Ozwald · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Wow! Willing to jump onto a fixed price service with a download limit that focuses on unknown talent! You're brave!

      Really, I believe the Internet needs to be the next generation radio, instead everybody is trying to figure out new pricing plans or protocols to hose the consumer or the artists. What I want is a way to discover new talent FOR FREE, new music FOR FREE, and be given some reason for faith that the rest of the CD is good too. If so, let me purchase the rest. I'm sure artists are also looking for new ways of promoting their music for free and ways of selling CDs without losing out on the markups by distributors and music stores. If you still feel the need that consumers must be hosed for something, make them use P2P.

      Ozwald

  4. Slashvertisement by suss · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ummm yeah... submitted by an "Anonymous Reader", not by the owner of emusic at all, right? /wonders how much that cost.

    1. Re:Slashvertisement by mattdm · · Score: 3, Funny

      Slashdot doesn't sell the right to post advertisements as news. Just FYI.

      Yeah; why would anyone buy it when it's been given away for free for so long?

  5. monthly/per track pricing? by wheezl · · Score: 4, Informative

    are they hoping you might forget to pick up all 40 of your tracks? odd.

    allofmp3.com is still superior

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    1. Re:monthly/per track pricing? by mOoZik · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, that's the business model, it seems. At first glance, it seems like a perfect deal, until you realize that maybe you don't need 40 tracks a month, and maybe just one or two. But guess what? According to the Slashdot summary, you're still gonna get charged the $10 a month. This is for those heavy music buyers. I'll stick to iTunes, thank you very much.

    2. Re:monthly/per track pricing? by iocat · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Their business model was better -- for me! -- when it was $10 a month for all the tracks you could download. I came to digital music late, found out about emusic first, and can honestly say I don't have any pirated .mp3s among the ~4GB of music on my machine...

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    3. Re:monthly/per track pricing? by jschottm · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes folks, the dubiously legal (at best) russian site that doesn't actually pay the artists (anything appreciable) is somehow able to undercut the legal service that tries to make sure that everyone gets paid, yet offers reasonably high quality recordings with NO DRM and restrictions for personal use. Hands up those who are surprised.

      As far as the 40 tracks/month thing, well yeah. It's called being in business. No pricing policy will ever suit everyone's needs, but these folks have chosen one that appears to work for them and their clients. If you only want one or two tracks a month, this is not the service for you. I've been a subscriber for some time, and it works for me, even though there've been some months I don't use up my quota. Big deal. The monthly fee is about the cost of a decent meal.

      As a point of information, a nice thing about their DRM-less existance is that they keep track of what you have download and let you redownload the same tracks for free. So if your hard drive crashes or if you want a copy of a song while you're at work, just log in, go to the page of what you've downloaded in the past, and download it again.

    4. Re:monthly/per track pricing? by mOoZik · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, it will favor heavy-downloaders like you, and it does appear economical from that POV. However, I don't know how they will make money, besides from the people who don't buy all 40 tracks. Between paying royalties and covering their costs, is there really that much left over to justify their operation? Last I checked, Apple and others broke even, even at four times the price; their motivation was to sell hardware, where the real profit margins lay.

    5. Re:monthly/per track pricing? by Electroly · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Why stop at allofmp3.com? Might as well go straight to pirating music off KaZaA or whatever kids use these days since both are illegal in the United States. allofmp3.com is only legal in Russia. They made a deal with the Russian Multimedia and Internet Society which is the Russian equivalent of the RIAA. This does not in any way translate to being legal for Americans.

      There is discussion at the following forum as well as many others if you Google for a few minutes.

      http://www.delldjsite.com/forums/archive/index.php /t-2147.html

    6. Re:monthly/per track pricing? by cyngus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      allofmp3's legality is questionable, at best. Besides that their behavior isn't ethical, even if legal. They are exploiting a loophole in Russian copyright law that allows for the broadcast or cable transmission of music without authorization of the copyright holder. It can be interpretted that you downloading a file over the Internet is only a special kind of broadcast or transmission, and that you happen to be "listening" to it with a device capable of recording it. It is not clear whether under the laws of the US or Europe that this is illegal, but could easily be made so. Allofmp3 legal? Maybe. Ethical? No

    7. Re:monthly/per track pricing? by Txiasaeia · · Score: 4, Informative
      What are you talking about, not being legal for USians? From the linked site:

      "Anyway, my friend and I were scouring the net looking for info on this site, and the controversy surrounding it. Here's the final word...from the horses'...well, I'll let you decide which part of the anatomy you insert there.

      After checking with the RIAA and other licensing agencies, KCTL Kansas City; the radio station for KCTalk.com; has switched from paying $1.00 per song with Napster, to using the "pay per meg" service at allofmp3.com.

      After the RIAA confirmed in an email that the service is in fact legal, just under a different contract due to the site being located in Russia, the switch was made immediately. All downloaded music from the site was quote "able to be used in a full broadcast and media capacity".

      KCTalk.com just wanted to pass this information on to others that have been searching for a real site to download stuff from without paying arms and legs. Thank you to Dies Irae for pointing out this service.

      Furthermore, KCTL has started replacing thier songs that were previously encoded at 128k, with the cheaper, yet better sounding, 192k that allofmp3.com provides. We have downloaded 9 songs, and have not quite used $0.75 yet. Great service!

      Go, check it out. This radio station has done all of the "legwork" for us. Download, and be merry!"

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    8. Re:monthly/per track pricing? by dswensen · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I would have had no problem paying more for Emusic, or even paying more on a per-track basis, if Emusic had stuck with a model I could actually use. I listen to a lot of music, and 40 tracks / month is completely asinine. What if I run out of quota in the middle of an album? Oh, tough luck for me I guess? No. I take my business elsewhere.

      No pricing policy will ever suit everyone's needs, but these folks have chosen one that appears to work for them and their clients.

      I see plenty of clients posting here for whom it didn't work. They were subscribers, the model changed, and they jumped ship. That includes me. Emusic could have continued getting my money forever with their model, even if they had raised their rates, but they changed to this asinine limit, and now they get $0 of my money instead of the $20, $30 or $50 a month I would glady have paid. "It's called being in business," my eye.

      If you only want one or two tracks a month, this is not the service for you.

      Neither is it the service for you -- anymore -- if you want more than a couple albums per month. Or if you mind downloading half an album then waiting a month for the other half.

    9. Re:monthly/per track pricing? by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 2, Insightful

      First, I'd like to see some confirmation on that, because it sounds extremely dubious; a lack of comment is more likely because it's not prejudicial.

      Second, I can read the law, and it's pretty clear that it's illegal unless the US copyright holders are authorizing allofmp3 to do what they're doing. The authorization would have to be made under US law; a Russian compulsory licensing scheme would not suffice.

      Given all the totally erroneous claims about allofmp3 being legal floating around out there, I'm pretty suspicious of anyone claiming RIAA has endorsed them.

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  6. Pricepoint? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That is $0.25 a track. Much cheaper than everywhere else. It's near my pricepoint. This

    First it was anything but $0.99/track is not cheap enough. Then $0.99 is not enough,.. Now people are not even willing to spend a whole quarter for a song? I think there are some people here who will still be complaining when they are free, just because they aren't encoded at a high enough bitrate!

    1. Re:Pricepoint? by stickystyle · · Score: 3, Funny

      I think people -here- will complain they are not OGG.
      :-)

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    2. Re:Pricepoint? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      About a year ago you could get unlimited downloads for $9.99 a month. Emusic stopped that when it was sold. I canceled my account the day they announced the move to 40 downloads a month.

      You may think 40 downloads is a lot, but for the type of music available at Emusic, it isn't. Most people who posted in the forums at Emusic liked to try different artists and styles. That was easy to do with unlimited downloads. The majority of the music at Emusic is material most people aren't going to know, so being able to experiment was a big part of why customers stayed with them. It's hard to experiment with 40 tracks. I listen to that much music almost every day.

      The problem with Emusic's change in service is that many posters on the forums said they would have paid $50 for an unlimited service. I certainly would have. It's their loss.

    3. Re:Pricepoint? by slash-tard · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Personally I want 2 things.

      1) A price incentive over a CD. With CDs being 9.99 to 13.99 for most of the stuff I buy 9.99 for a DRM limited digital download doesn't seem like a deal. $5 for an album would get me buying more digitally.

      2) MP3s. I know most music stores cant because the RIAA is scared but I need MP3s for my car mp3 player. I know you can convert or just burn CDs but having 10+ CDs worth of music on 1 disc and being able to skip through it easily is a big deal to me.

      Emusic seems like a good deal to me, if they have anything worth listening too I'll probably be buying a lot.

    4. Re: Pricepoint? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Who said $0.99 was ever reasonable?

      CD tracks were averaging $0.99 when the industry was telling Congress that it would get cheaper after the investment costs were written off!

      The cost of online distribution is a fraction of what it once took, i.e. manufacturing, inventory, shipping, personnel, etc, and you are _still_ paying the same price for an inferior product!

      This complaint isn't new...you just never listened to the original complaint we had!!!

    5. Re:Pricepoint? by nathanh · · Score: 4, Funny
      First it was anything but $0.99/track is not cheap enough. Then $0.99 is not enough,.. Now people are not even willing to spend a whole quarter for a song?

      Different people. Even when some people were saying "$0.99/track is OK" there were others saying "no way, that's the same as CD, I'd rather just buy the CD'.

      Here's a hint. At the top of each message is a name. That name indicates a different person. By reading those names you can see that different people say different things. I can see how it might have confused you with lots of people saying different things on Slashdot. You clearly thought it was a single person with schizophrenia. But armed with this helpful hint you should now be able to distinguish different participants. HTH.

      I think there are some people here who will still be complaining when they are free, just because they aren't encoded at a high enough bitrate!

      That's a pretty safe prediction because those sorts of people have already said as much in previous stories. Many of them want FLAC instead of a lossy MP3 or AAC format. Zero Nostradamus points for you, I'm afraid!

    6. Re:Pricepoint? by Chris+Burke · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I was an absolutely ecstatic Emusic subscriber, and I would plug them in just about every /. article on online music, DRM, etc. because they were awesome.

      My standard model, which apparently was pretty common, was to download a single album from ten bands, burn it on a CD and listen to it at work for a week or two and decide what I liked. Then I'd get more of those bands, burn a CD for work, listen for several more weeks. Repeat a couple times, and I'd have enough new music to last me for several months. I wouldn't download much in that time, but I kept the subscription because when I wanted to experiment with some new bands, I could.

      The new model, while still better than some of the other schemes kicking around including others suggested by Emusic, doesn't lend itself well to this experimental style.

      It might still work, but the amount of experimentation would be more limited, and I'd have to wait a month to turn experimentation into aquiring more songs from the bands I liked. Eh, maybe I'll try it for a month or two.

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  7. Finally, an online music store I'll take serious by YetAnotherName · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The iTMS was the only online music store that really had me sit up and take notice. Now eMusic is making me do the same thing.

    iTunes is nice since it's cheap per song, but the selection, though huge, misses out one some less mainstream, more niche genres. eMusic seems to fill in the missing areas pretty well (although still not enough psychedelic trance) and provides DRM-free tunes. This company could go quite far.

    For most consumers, though, I think the price-per-song versus a monthly price could still be the deciding factor.

  8. I let my account lapse 3 months ago by mekkab · · Score: 5, Informative

    I had the "Platinum" membership- and to tell you the truth despite my very non-mainstream tastes, they didn't have a whole lot that I liked. Also, I hated how their electronic music was organized (there was little-to-no Drum and Bass/Jungle in the Drum and Bass/Jungle section!) Additionally, a 30 second sample (taken from the first 30 seconds!) of a 10 minute electronic music track (that takes 2 minutes to build up anywhere) is a use-less way to "try before you buy."

    Additionally, there are too many Live recordings (read: poor sounding recordings). For example, they have a bunch of The Selecter tracks, but they're all live. Sorry, I want to studio versions.

    I hope its useful for you. But I paid my money, downloaded some good tracks, a bunch of bad tracks, and walked away.

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    1. Re:I let my account lapse 3 months ago by dr_dank · · Score: 2, Informative

      I cancelled my account with them too. Their linux client didn't work more often than not (It would continuously time out connections). Their downloads are dependent on this client, so I had no choice but to drop the service.

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    2. Re:I let my account lapse 3 months ago by deliciousmonster · · Score: 3, Informative

      You should check out BeatPort.com. New releases aer encoded at 320 kbps, and previews are a full 2 minutes long.

      If you're not into "uhn-tss uhn-tss uhn-tss" there's not much there for you, but it's great for club music.

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  9. No search without free registration? by civilengineer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I cannot search their collection without first registering (free albeit). Why should I register without knowing what they have first? Sorry, I am not a potential customer.

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  10. You want cheap? by justkarl · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How about Epitonic for free music downloads! Free, legal, and something that everyone will like.

  11. Uh... near CD quality? by GojiraDeMonstah · · Score: 2, Informative

    CD quality is 1411 kbps. Certainly 192 is higher than the commonly seen 128, but at less than 14% of CD quality I wouldn't call it "near" CD quality. 320 kbps, which is the highest my chosen ripping software will go, is still roughly 1/4 CD quality.

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    1. Re:Uh... near CD quality? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      CD quality is 1411 kbps. Certainly 192 is higher than the commonly seen 128, but at less than 14% of CD quality I wouldn't call it "near" CD quality. 320 kbps, which is the highest my chosen ripping software will go, is still roughly 1/4 CD quality.
      320kbps vs cd qualtiy and it is nearly impossible to tell the difference, even on really good speakers. Any difference you can tell will not be 75% difference between the actual source.

    2. Re:Uh... near CD quality? by hethopus · · Score: 3, Informative

      I guess you know nothing about music format quality. It's not the kbps that matter. Flac (Free Lossless Audio Codec) plays the exact same bits of a CD. That's why it's called lossless! And, it will give you 700 kBps. Quality is measured with very expensive equipment, not kBps. Mp3 is a lossy codec, meaning it looses quality when encoding.

    3. Re:Uh... near CD quality? by brxndxn · · Score: 5, Funny

      I encode all my CDs in 2822 kbps mp3s, thus exactly doubling the quality of the original CD.

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    4. Re:Uh... near CD quality? by RichardX · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Urr.. yes.. 1411 Kbps UNCOMPRESSED
      You are aware of compression, aren't you? y'know.. that whole MP3 thing? I know it's lossy, but it would be rather pointless if MP3 at 14% the bitrate was 14% the quality of uncompressed - you might as well just drop the uncompressed bitrate.

      IMO MP3 at 128 is listenable, but a bit on the rough side, and if I was paying for MP3s I'd want them to be at least 160

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    5. Re:Uh... near CD quality? by dasmegabyte · · Score: 5, Informative

      What you're talking about is bit quantity. CDs use 1411 kilobits to image a given data sample...44000 packets of two 16 bit values per second.

      This is not the same as quality. Quality in music is the amount of discrete dynamic information recorded within a sample. Believe it or not, storing an accurate representation of the data at a given sample rate and bit strength is not necessarily the best way to preserve quality. It's certainly not the most efficient. With a 1411 kilobits, psychoacoustically compressed sample, you could easily have a much higher bit strength or sample rate with more discrete dynamics than even the CD. Shit, even lossless compression could get double the quality or more at 1411 kilobits than a CD can.

      That number is mostly meaningless for this reason. So is the term "CD Quality." I've seen it used for 192 kbit MP3, 128 kbit AAC, 64 kbit WMA...fact of the matter is, "CD Quality" is whatever you perceive it to be. I happen to really like AAC at 128 and higher bitrates, it preserves the precision I expect when encoding a rhythm section without creating shimmering or tiering. It's great for rock and hip hop. And that's all that matters.

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  12. 192 VBR Good enough? by espressojim · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I encode at 256 or 320 VBR.

    No, no, I'm lying. I encode with ogg, set at quality 6. That's not bad, but it still isn't CD quality.

    If you have a *good* stereo (no, your computer speakers, or a headphone pluged into your soundcard does not count), you'll hear artifacts if you actually have the real source. In addition, mp3's at moderate quality always sound "flat" to me.

    I'll wait until someone offers lossless quality downloads. Until then, I'm far better off buying used CD's...at $3-$5 a CD, it's a far better value.

    1. Re:192 VBR Good enough? by dunsurfin · · Score: 2, Funny

      CD Quality? Pah!

      I kidnap musicians and force them to sing and play by poking them with sharp sticks........

    2. Re:192 VBR Good enough? by ransomspqr · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I agree. I encode everything with musepack or ogg (depending on what sort of mood I am in that week) at the highest quality. And even if I can't perceive any difference between that and the original, I still get this nagging feeling that what I am listening to is somehow inferior to the original.

      Someone should offer a lossless format for download, that way I am getting everything that I paid for. Especially at the prices that some places are charging (99 cents a track AND I have to buy my own cd-rs AND I don't get the liner, might as well buy a $15 dollar CD from the store).

      At least lossless downloads would provide me with some sense that I was getting my money's worth, not some facsimile of "acceptable" or "near-CD" quality. Take software downloads for instance, when you download software you are getting exactly the same software that you would have gotten had you purchased it retail, sans the nice (overly large) packaging. But with music you are downloading songs that are missing something, which would be like if the software download had some feature that was nobody ever used stripped out of it and then tried to sell it to you for close to the same price as the retail version. Would you ever notice?... probably not... but the principle is the thing. On the other hand I am known to be something of an anal retentive about these sort of things...

  13. I still remember by LetterJ · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When Emusic.com had unlimited MP3's for something like $14.99 a month and I was a subscriber for a couple of years. Then they "relaunched" with monthly limits and I jumped ship. I was willing to try new music when there wasn't a limit, but as soon as there was a ceiling, I stopped experimenting with the music in their catalog and dropped the service.

    Now, they're "relaunching" again with what looks like a smaller catalog, the same monthly restrictions, etc. I'm trying to see how this is better. Most likely an attempt to appear as a "new" alternative to iTunes, et al when in fact they've been there all along and are actually on a downward spiral.

    1. Re:I still remember by BeBoxer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yep, I was an old subscriber too. My usual way of using the service was to forget about it for a month or two, and then binge for a couple of days and download a few dozen albums. Often times I would download bands I had never heard, never heard of, and really had no idea if I would like them. I'd download stuff just because the name of the band/album was cool. Or it was on the same label as something else I liked. Some of the stuff I ended up really liking. Other stuff I never even bothered to keep. But their new model doesn't fit with how I actually used the service. Oh well, their loss.

  14. Fixed client? by Hatta · · Score: 2, Informative

    Have they fixed their linux client? In the glory days of emusic, when downloads were unlimited, the client was compiled against some weird library that only red hat and mandrake had. They provided the library and a wrapper script for the rest of us, but I never could get it to work quite right. It would load, but couldn't fetch anything without a proxy server. It wasn't all that much fun.

    If they've fixed the client I'm willing to give emusic another try. The selection is good enough that it's worth $.25 a track, and obscure enough that you're not likely to find it cheaper anywhere else.

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  15. What Relaunch? by mmmmmhotpants · · Score: 5, Informative

    I think this anonymous post was an advert.

    Emusic used to be $9.99 per month and unlimited downloads, over a year ago. It was an absolutely amazing service and had me thinking that the world of digital music could be great for all parties.

    I was wrong. Last Fall Emusic was bought out by some other company who changed the policy to the $9.99 for 40 or 50 tracks and its been that way for over a year. I cancelled my subscription.

    After the annoucement was made, but before they switched formats, they pulled horrible stunts like not actually allowing you to download unlimited music (per their contract) but putting some aritifical cap on your downloading. They also used to incriminate people for downloading too much even though there was a unlimited deal in the contract. I started to lose respect for them.

    I don't think there has been a relaunch. I think there is an executive at Emusic trying to get more business via Slashdot.

    If you are reading this Emusic executive, bring back the old unlimited format (even at a higher cost)! Honor your contracts!

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  16. *thumbs up* by incast · · Score: 5, Informative

    I was an emusic subscriber for the earlier part of this year, and it was pretty darn good. My only complaint is that I ran out of stuff to download. That is why I cancelled my account. I'm a big fan of indie music, but I found that there wasn't quite enough to keep me going. And new releases don't show up very quickly.

    But, the revenue sharing program does give 50% to labels/artists, so I found that if I did have extra credits in a month, I would download albums that I had once (illegally) downloaded. This made me feel better about myself.

    I lasted for about 9 months on the old emusic, and it was $100 well spent.

  17. No thanks by peeping_Thomist · · Score: 3, Informative

    I was an Emusic subscriber, but they kept jerking around the users. They continually changed the terms of the service. And their support for Linux was pathetic/nonexistent. What confidence can you have that the service you subscribe to is the service you'll eventually get? They've changed horses in midstream several times in the past; why should I think they aren't going to jerk me around again? Has there been a change of management? That's the only thing that would make me think about going back.

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  18. Re:Allow me to translate... by stickystyle · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Uhh...
    Nelly == Good Music
    Brittney == Good Music
    ???

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  19. Relaunch? by boarder · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ummm, this doesn't sound all that different from their last Re-launch. I was a subscriber when they were $9.99/month for unlimited downloads, and let me tell you how much I loved that (and how much stuff I downloaded). I am not a fan of this new model, but that might be because I already downloaded 8 gigs off of them for about $50.

    Their selection is a combo of new, indie artists and great old jazz artists. There is a lot of techno, too. If you are into jazz or techno, or just like listening to interesting indie bands it is worth it.

    This story, though, doesn't sound like anything more than a PR dump on the /. crowd, but I never looked too closely at their third incarnation (the flat monthly fee was their second). This new launch might be different, but it sounds a lot like the last one.

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  20. Allofmp3.com by Xerotope · · Score: 5, Informative

    The poster has forgotten my favorite quasi-legal russian music service, http://www.allofmp3.com/

    They have no DRM what so ever, so it's great for you Linux users. Also, it's based in Russia, so it lends itself to those classic Slashdot "In Soviet Russia..." jokes. (In Soviet Russia, Music DRM You!", sorry, the lamest I could come up with)

    It also has the most complete catalog (including Beatles), is priced right at $0.01 US per megabyte, and has a multitude of on-the-fly encoding options, including ogg Vorbis, Flac and mp3 up to 384 kbps. (however, I think FLAC and other "premium" encodes runs you $0.05 US per megabyte).

    Suposedly it's perfectly legal under Russian copyright law, as long as they compensate the artist directly. Perhaps it's just paying for illegal music downloads that you could otherwise get off Kazaa.

    1. Re:Allofmp3.com by prostoalex · · Score: 4, Informative

      How Russian music licensing works.

      Compulsory licensing, so it's legal as far as they care. It's not really legal to distribute that music outside of Russia though.

    2. Re:Allofmp3.com by hom · · Score: 2, Informative

      If they track you down in the US, you can be prosecuted under US laws for breach of copyright

      not quite. there is no "breach of copyright", as everything is done legally. If you bought a bootleg VCD in Tiwan and then brought it home, you could get in trouble. But if you buy a legit VCD and bring it home it's totally legal, even if the VCD company has undercut US prices drastically.

      In AllofMP3's situation, they have purchased a Russian broadcasting license of some sort. From what i understand it is basically a flat fee and not based on the number of items (songs). This lets them sell songs for just over bandwidth costs and still make money.

      I would agree totally that the artists see next to nill from this. BUT if you want to support the artists you listen to, simply send them a donation. No money gets lost to middlemen (except a few cents to AOMP3) like the RIAA.

    3. Re:Allofmp3.com by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, in the US, 17 USC 602(a) and (b) both prohibit unauthorized imports. There is a personal exemption in 602(a)(2), but that only lets people escape the ban in 602(a). The 602(b) ban is still in force, even for personal importation.

      The difference is that 602(a) provides a remedy for the copyright holder, and bars importation where neither the exemptions of 602(a)(1)-(3) nor 109 apply. 602(b), OTOH, is enforced by the Customs Service, not the copyright holder, but is limited to copies that, had they been made in the US, would've been made illegally, regardless of the laws in the place they were made.

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    4. Re:allofmp3.com by AstroDrabb · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Exactly how am I ripping off an artist? A legal service is being offered to me and I can only assume that people are being paid correctly. Also, if I were a musician I would not put my self and my works in a position where I had to give up my rights to my own creation.

      I reward musicians by going to concerts. That is where they make their money. Unfortuately, most artists have sold out to the RIAA to become "rich and famous".

      Also, the RIAA take away an artists copyright and then almost always give the artist a _lower_ cut of the profits then the RIAA gets. That is pretty sickening to me. In the end the only people to blame are the artists who let their talents be whored out. If all artists stood their ground and did not give up their copyrights, the music world would be much different.

      If I were an artist I would have no problem with selling a digital _copy_ of my work for $0.02 - $0.05 each. I would be touring to make the big bucks and have a steady revenue stream from selling digital copies for almost no cost.

      Talent will always be awared well. If you want to be an RIAA groupie and believe their FUD about the need to charge so much for a stinkin digital _copy_ then that is your choice. I will not beleive that FUD. The reason the RIAA wants to charge so much per digital copy is because those middle-men (who contribute nothing to the artistice process) want to get their fat-cat salaries. The RIAA puts their hand into the pie and take the _majority_ of profits and do creative accounting to show how little is left over for the artists. Then they give us the song-n-dance about the poor artists. Eliminate the RIAA and artists would make much more money, get the majority of the copensation and music would cost much less.

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      If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land,
      it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. -James Madison
    5. Re:Allofmp3.com by Ahnteis · · Score: 2, Informative
      Importation into the United States, without the authority of the owner of copyright under this title, of copies or phonorecords of a work that have been acquired outside the United States is an infringement of the exclusive right to distribute copies or phonorecords under section 106, actionable under section 501. This subsection does not apply to -

      (1)

      importation of copies or phonorecords under the authority or for the use of the Government of the United States or of any State or political subdivision of a State, but not including copies or phonorecords for use in schools, or copies of any audiovisual work imported for purposes other than archival use;

      (2)

      importation, for the private use of the importer and not for distribution, by any person with respect to no more than one copy or phonorecord of any one work at any one time, or by any person arriving from outside the United States with respect to copies or phonorecords forming part of such person's personal baggage; or

      (3)

      importation by or for an organization operated for scholarly, educational, or religious purposes and not for private gain, with respect to no more than one copy of an audiovisual work solely for its archival purposes, and no more than five copies or phonorecords of any other work for its library lending or archival purposes, unless the importation of such copies or phonorecords is part of an activity consisting of systematic reproduction or distribution, engaged in by such organization in violation of the provisions of section 108(g)(2).

      (b)

      In a case where the making of the copies or phonorecords would have constituted an infringement of copyright if this title had been applicable, their importation is prohibited. In a case where the copies or phonorecords were lawfully made, the United States Customs Service has no authority to prevent their importation unless the provisions of section 601 are applicable. In either case, the Secretary of the Treasury is authorized to prescribe, by regulation, a procedure under which any person claiming an interest in the copyright in a particular work may, upon payment of a specified fee, be entitled to notification by the Customs Service of the importation of articles that appear to be copies or phonorecords of the work
      "In a case where the copies or phonorecords were lawfully made, the United States Customs Service has no authority to prevent their importation unless the provisions of section 601 are applicable."

      I missed the "had they been made in the US" in that sentence?
  21. there is also magnatune.com by bluelarva · · Score: 5, Informative

    You might be interested in http://magnatune.com/ as well. It's also DRM free and half the money goes directly to the artist. Also there is no subscription fee.

  22. Only on slashdot... by TiggertheMad · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We whine and bitch endlessly for and end to stupid, pointless DMR schemes. We pine for non-propritary formats. We wail when downloads are expensive.

    And we complain when someone tells where it is.

    You guys rock!

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    1. Re:Only on slashdot... by bablefisk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And slashdot is just one big, completely homogeneus group of people, where everybody has the exact same opinions. Duh.

  23. Bleep by vitaflo · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is the first online music store that I will seriously consider. (and actually the first that I _can_ consider since I'm a linux user.

    That's not entirely true. You can buy from Bleep.com, and it's basically the same thing. Non-DRM 192kps MP3s. You just have to like their selection (mostly electronic music on Warp Records). It's been up for a while now, and you pay per song (or album), not a monthly fee (which I prefer).

  24. Same here by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Jumped ship at the same time. 40 tracks/month isn't enough to experiment with, especially considering their 'unusual' catalog.

    I did, however, get a whole bunch of George Carlin, T. Monk, and other collections before I jumped. That same stuff would take a year or two at 40 tracks/month.

  25. No news here... by krbvroc1 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Nothing to see, move along folks.

    I can't believe this makes 'news'. This is the same old crappy E-music as before.

    For those who don't know, E-music had high quality VBR MP3 titles for download. Most labels would not license to them, so their catalog consists of mainly out of the maintstream / lesser known labels. In exchange for this less than up to date collection, they allowed unlimited downloads. That all ended in October 2003. First those who had the audicity to load up on the unlimited songs in large quantities quietely had their accounts cancelled.

    In Oct 2003, part of the email they sent was the following:

    " In order to respond to these ongoing challenges and maintain a compelling service for our valued customers, EMusic will be making a number of significant changes in the coming weeks and months. As part of these changes, we will be discontinuing the unlimited service plan and replacing it with a new service offering.

    Unless you visit the link below: http://help.emusic.com/cu/index.cgi?cmd=step2&st=1 &categoryID=1198 and notify us of your intention to cancel your subscription prior to November 8, 2003, your EMusic subscription will convert into EMusic Basic. Under EMusic Basic, you will be billed $9.99 per month for access to the service with no minimum monthly commitment, but you will be limited to no more than 40 downloads during your monthly billing cycle. "

    So you can see, nothing has changed. Browsing their catalog the selection appears to be the same limited catalog. Their price point hasn't even changed. In fact, their same website stills has the same 'sleaze' factor. Information on the costs and limitations are not easily available from the front page. Clicking - sign me up for a trial - doesn't give much details until you give personal information.

    The same limitations remain from Nov 2003. If you hit your whopping 40 tracks download in the month, thats it. There is no per song fee for each song over that.

    Like I said, its hard to believe this qualifies as news. I wonder if someone was cleaning out their email and say Emusics email from Sep 2003 and thought it was 2004?

  26. encourage magnatune by chocolatetrumpet · · Score: 5, Informative

    I am the last person to "promo" a record label, but I can't believe I haven't seen it on slashdot yet.

    Magnatune
    Free mp3 streaming of the entire catalog.

    If you want, pay $5-$18 (you choose!) for an album download (40+ minutes) in mp3, ogg, wav, or whatever it is you like. Artist gets 50%.

    If you want a physical cd, pay $15-$30 (something like that.. you choose!) and the artist gets 100%.

    There is *no crap* in magnatune; all of their members are peer reviewed. It's solid.

    I don't work for them or anything, I am just a very happy customer!

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    1. Re:encourage magnatune by Proc6 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Yes! Thank you! I saw this URL on Slashdot a while back, loved it, lost it, couldn't find it again with google from memory. Was trying like Mega-Radio, etc. I decided I'd probably just never see the site again, and here you post it.

      Thanks again, and everyone else should look at it. Quality artists there.

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    2. Re:encourage magnatune by Rhys · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Last time similar music sites came up I tagged a Magnatune comment on it but didn't catch much moderation (too late in the day I guess).

      Gotta love em tho. How many other record companies have a phrase: "We are not evil." AND have a symbol that looks at first glance like it's flipping someone off?

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    3. Re:encourage magnatune by BroncoInCalifornia · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I have purchased from Magnatune and have been happy.

      When I become interested in an artist on Magnatune, I can never find a web page for that artist off the Magnatune site. Is that part of the contract with Magnatune?

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  27. I'll take the bait. by The+Ape+With+No+Name · · Score: 2, Funny

    Now let me hit send and see how long it takes before the first, "Dude, your musical tastes blow," flame.

    So do you have a Cheryl Teigs poster on your wall or Bo Derek?

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  28. Former Subscriber by Gatton · · Score: 2, Informative

    As a former subscriber I can say they are worth it depending on the type of music you listen to. If it's strictly mainstream then forget it. For me I spent nearly all my time in their classical and jazz catalogs. There's plenty of good stuff including lots of historical recordings by great artists/conducters etc. I was upset when they changed their pricing model. Being able to download all the tracks you wanted (well it was actually ~2000 per month but me being dial-up I never came close to the unspoken cap) was certainly nice but we all knew it wouldn't last.

    Check out the link to browse their catalog that someone posted earlier in the comments. It definitely doesn't sound like much if you're used to downloading all you want from p2p. But if you already use pay sites it's a very economical way to try new music.

    And as for why I'm not currently a member it's all economics. I plan to join again in the near future.

    Oh and again if you're a jazz fan (especially if you like the great jazz pianists like Art Tatum, Oscar Peterson, Jelly Roll Morton etc) then you'll really like the service.

  29. Re:Sounds like a front page ad as usual. by timster · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well, there's no magic to "CD quality". It's just 1411kb/s linear PCM. At any given bitrate an MP3 has much better sound than PCM at the same bitrate. And don't talk to me about compression artifacts; linear PCM has compression artifacts too.

    We don't encode MP3 much higher than 320 because naturally it's not possible to get better sound than was present in the original PCM data stream. If we had access to a very high-bitrate source, a hypothetical 1411kb/s lossy-compressed file made from that source would sound better than a CD... but you wouldn't have to go all the way to 1411 to beat the CD.

    Point is, all sound recording is compression, some is better than others. And I'm just hassling you on the "no mp3 is better than a CD" line. A 192 of course isn't CD quality, but I'd challenge you to find much difference at 320.

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  30. No Weird Al? by jangobongo · · Score: 2, Funny

    Pfft... Forget it then!

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  31. Hardly the first. by Scott+Madin · · Score: 2, Informative

    Magnatune and AudioLunchbox also provide non-DRM formats (ALB has your choice of mp3 or Ogg Vorbis). ALB also frequently has sales, or gives away free songs, and while single tracks are normally a buck, whole albums don't go above $10. As others have pointed out, $10 a month is only a better deal if you actually do download at least ten tracks in that month. There just isn't that much good music out there -- better to pay only for what you do get, rather than what you might get.

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  32. Re:Allow me to translate... by richieb · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Translation: ...focusing on crappier music...

    Hmm.. let's see: Duke Ellington, Miles Davis, Charlie Parker, Wes Montgomery....

    Yep, these guys knew nothing about music..

    I hope my sarcasm is showing..

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  33. My only concern is... by The+Fanta+Menace · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...when you buy digital music such as this, what proof do you have that you really own it?

    I've got a large collection of music in mp3 and ogg formats on my laptop, ripped from my CD collection. I've often been worried about going through international customs at airports and having some over-zealous security nut decide to search the contents of my hard disk drive and then fast-track me to death row for DMCA infringement.

    Now, at least with my mp3 collection, I can point to all of my CDs (well, at home) as proof that I own them. But if I were to buy mp3 files from emusic, what proof do I get that I really own them? Are emusic keeping records of all purchases and will they be willing to provide

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  34. You're bringing back good memories by chia_monkey · · Score: 2, Funny

    Is it just me or does it seem like the Internet is trying to charge us for things we used to get for free?

    Yeah...I remember the good ole days. Remember going to the binary bboards and "downloading" the pictures. Then I finally got UUEncode and could download the ~really big~ pictures. So you grab "babe_pt1", "babe_pt2", and "babe_pt3", merge them as you get ready to see some hottie and then realize you just wasted all that time putting together a picture of someone's pet pig. Such innocent days...and free.

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  35. Re:Sounds like a front page ad as usual. by sahonen · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Techncially, with a lossless compressor you can get down to ~ 700-1000 kbps and still have CD quality. The thing with MP3 is, yes, it's not technicalyl CD quality, but can you tell the difference? The vast majority of people can't tell the difference between a 128 kbps MP3 and the source. For all intents and purposes, for them, a 128 kbps MP3 is CD quality.

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  36. NOT the only one for Linux users!!! by DdJ · · Score: 3, Informative

    I use Audio Lunchbox, which lets you download in both 192kbit MP3 and Ogg Vorbis. I've also poked at Bleep, which currently supports MP3 and is thinking about FLAC.

    Both of these are DRM-free and will give you files that work on Linux (or BeOS or PalmOS or an Amiga or a Newton or whatever).

  37. audiolunchbox.com by thryllkill · · Score: 3, Informative

    no way affiliated with audiolunchbox.com, unless you consider rabid fan to be an affiliation.

    --DRM free
    --mp3s and ogg vorbis encoding (most tracks can be downloaded as ogg, there are a few that are only mp3s I think)
    --independent music
    --similar price scheme as iTMS
    --bigger catalogue than emusic (in fact, most of the good stuff from emusic's glory days is on audiolunchbox.com)
    --did I mention the no DRM

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  38. You can buy it for a song... by cryptochrome · · Score: 2, Interesting

    0.99 is way too much for me, IMHO, as I like to listen to a lot of songs relatively few times per. 0.25 is more like it. 0.10 is probably closer to the true value of your average song.

    For the record, if TV were pay-per-view, I wouldn't spend more than $0.25 per commercial-free half-hour one-time-view. It doesn't sound like much, but any more than that and the prices take it above cable and rental. Again, 0.10 or less is closer to the value of your average TV half-hour show.

    Well, it doesn't matter. The RIAA and MPAA have made a career of charging exorbitant prices for what is mostly crap-not-worth-the-time-it-takes-to-watch/listen, whilst royally screwing the artists, good or bad. As the IP laws strengthen this will only worse, and will probably only give them more ways to screw people (such as purchasers of blank media). Your tax dollars at work.

    Most folks aren't bothered by piracy of this sort, because most people correctly consider recorded entertainment to have little or no intrinsic worth - the sort of thing that once upon a time you could buy for a song. If they really do like it, they pay.

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  39. Audio Lunchbox.... by Sunnan · · Score: 3, Informative

    ...sells unencumbered oggs and mp3:s, both around 192 kbps, your choice to download both or either. (I usually just go for the vorbis.)

    I hate plugging stuff but it's a really small company, they don't seem to do much advertising, and, first and foremost, noone seems to have heard of them, and they deserve better than that. They've been great to me and they have stuff that's often hard to find on p2p.

  40. I did sign up... cancelled already. by citiZen2010 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I haven't even seen the catalog yet. :)

    I thought I would check this service out quickly. I trusted them with my name, email, street address, and credit card #. Hopefully that won't come back to bite me in the ass. Anyway, I hadn't seen the catalog before giving out this info either. It didn't seem to be available from the free trial page I arrived at. Feeling adventurous, I took the plunge anyway.

    As I suspected, the music selection is extremely limited, and of pretty terrible sound quality, despite being encoded at relatively high bitrate. The first thing I tried was a Bob Marley track "Sun Is Shining" from the "Natural Mystic" album released on the Avid label (not Island Records). It sounded like a cassette dub... really awful. It was MP3 encoded at 154kbps VBR, so the source must be the problem. I went to Amazon to check if this album was legit, and one of the comments there said it was a bootleg, and to avoid it since proceeds would not go to the artist's family. Strike One!

    Wanting to be fair to the service, I only went for tracks of their "Featured Artists", figuring that they would have some quality control going on there. Bob Marley was a "Featured Artist", so they deserved that first strike. The next artist I tried was Moby. I thought it would be less likely that they would be ripping off an artist who was still alive... Well, I clicked on the "Moby" link and waited. And waited. Mozilla says: "Waiting for www.emusic.com..." After a few minutes, I gave up trying to score a Moby track. Strike Two!

    Ok... I'm starting to lose hope. Let's give them another chance. I tried Willie Nelson next. Hmmm... still nonresponsive. Could it be that they've been slashdotted? Somehow I wasn't seeing thousands of slashdotters whipping out their wallets like I did, so I tried another strategy. I logged on from another machine. All of a sudden, things are pretty snappy again. Hmmm... what's up with that? Anyway, I tried perusing the classical selection. I couldn't really find anything exciting to listen to, and the search was difficult because they have everything arranged by sub-genre and album name, instead of composer. I did settle on a track from the piano recital of some dude I've never heard. It was ok I guess, but no way am I staying with this service I thought. It's just too lame. Strike Three!

    Ok, game's over, or so I think. I click on the account link and wait. And wait. And wait... Oh Phew! There's the account page. I quickly click on the "Cancel" link. Still slow, but I'm relieved when the next page comes up asking the primary reason why I'm cancelling. All of the reasons are equally enticing, things like "I'm having technical problems" and "Not enough music in my favorite genre." I settle on one and click on the "Cancel My Subscription" link. Then I got this message:

    Your eMusic account has been set to cancel at the end of this billing period. Your credit card will not be charged again (emphasis mine). If you have any downloads remaining, you may finish downloading them until the end of your current billing period.

    Wait a minute! I thought this was supposed to be a free trial. If those mofos charged my card I'm going to go ballistic! I'm not so sure this is the kind of service that I want to encourage...

  41. What the relaunch actually entails... by schmatt · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm reading the comments on this story and it seems no one has actually explained what the "relaunch" is about. Basically all it is that they have hired a new editorial staff, changed the interface, and added some new stuff like ability to see what other people are downloading. The "new" eMusic is simply a marketing push for an existing service that's been going for quite a while.

    That said, I've been a subscriber of theirs for a couple years now, and I've been very happy with it. I had an account back when it was still unlimited downloads, and while I was a little pissed when they changed over to the more limited model, I stuck with the service. I don't know their reasons for dropping the unlimited service, but I assume it was because bandwidth isn't free and they couldn't afford to continue like that.

    I've seen comments complaining that eMusic's selection is crap. If you mean it has no major labels, then yes, it's crap. However, that's not what they're aiming for. From their site:

    "eMusic is the only digital music service entirely focused on serving the needs of independent music fans and independent labels. "

    With that in mind, they have an excellent selection and they frequently pick up new labels. I have yet to run out of things I want to download, and I'm on the highest plan (90 songs a month). For me it's boils down to the ability to get music in the mp3 format and to find new interesting music.

    Anyway, just wanted to put in a slightly more informed 2 cents...

  42. Independent music on www.emusic.com by wemgadge · · Score: 2, Informative
    As an independent musician myself, I was interested in signing on. So I checked the contact link and (re)discovered The Orchard. For $49US and 5 copies of your demo, you too can be on emusic AND iTunes AND Napster AND Rhapsody AND MSN AND Musicmatch plus a whack of other legit pay music sites.

    As someone who got in on the ground floor at www.mp3.com the first time (and has since had his music relegated to the basement ) because of MP3.com's sale, I find this very exciting. I remember when The Orchard was ONLY selling CDs from their own website and thinking "man that sucks, I'm better off setting up a server with my own stuff on Kazaa" but now that's all changed. If you want to market your indie music online (and get into the www.emusic.com family), The orchard is the way to go.

    Disclaimer: I am not affiliated with, nor have I ever been affliated with www.theorchard.com, but I will be joining now that I have found this link. Thanks Slashdot. I'm also not affiliated with Emusic (yet). Now my life has meaning.

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  43. Re:DIScourage magnatune by darkstream · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I've posted about this before, but the problem I see with Magnatune's business model is that they have no published playlists for their music streams, no searchable database on their website, and lousy customer support.
    • Playlists: If you listen to music in the background while you work like I do, then you've come across this problem. You heard a song you liked, but didn't look at its name before the next one started playing. How do you find out what you heard so you can buy it? Magnatune doesn't offer a playlist of the stream on their site.
    • Searchable Database: Since there's no playlist you decide to search for the song. But you can't. There is no searchable database on their site. You must listen to each individual song in whatever catagory you think the stream was in while crossing your fingers and hoping you'll find it within the first 50 or so... Too much work, IMO.
    • Customer Support: You really want that song, don't know what it was called and can't find it on their site, so you send an email to Punky, the Emailclown. The problem is that he doesn't respond. Any email stating "I am looking for a song played at x:xxpm write before (name of song I did catch). I have money and and prepared to give it to you." should elicit some sort of response - even a canned one. I've sent several. Even followups weeks later. Nothing.
    I purchase music at Bleep [bleep.com] and Apple's iTMS. In contrast to Magnatunes, I have emailed Apple on several occassions and received replies. Both Bleep and iTMS allow me to search their catalogs. Magnatunes doesn't seem to want my business, so I'll spend my money elsewhere.

    I see Magnatune praised a lot here. Some of you even rave about them. But do you just select music randomly and get lucky? Or do you go there with certain musicians in mind? Aside from using them as a proof of concept in the noble fight against the RIAA, I just don't see how anybody who doesn't have a lot of time on their hands can use their service..

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  44. Thanks, but no by Shihar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Emusic's call to fame was unlimited downloads at a flat rate. For me, it was a simple service. All the music I want, don't ponder if a band is good or not, get it and listen to it. They would have continued to get my dollar every month just like netflicks does. Then Emusic put a low cap on the number of bands you can buy. Basically, they decided to charge $0.25 a song... which made the way I enjoyed listening to music worthless.

    Look, I am not a music fanatic. I don't ponder laboriously over which CDs to buy. I don't read reviews, and for the most part I put absolutely zero effort into sifting the shit away from the worthwhile stuff. I treat music exactly like TV. I don't have favorite TV shows, I simply sit down on occasion and watch whatever happens to be on. I never sit down for a regular show. The only regular shows that I sit down for are the ones I get from Netflicks.com that I watch at my own leisure. To put it bluntly, there is more then enough entertainment out there that I don't want to waste my busy day having to look for it or sift out the shit from the worthwhile stuff.

    If the Internet used the stupid pricing schemes that the music industry uses, that is to say that you have to pay open a webpage instead of a flat rate regardless of how many webpages you open, I wouldn't use the Internet.

    Until someone uses a less asinine pricing scheme, I have all but given up on music. At best I go on the occasional downloading spree in a P2P. I am more then happy to shell out a pile of money each month for a service that simply gives me a massive bank of music to brows at my leisure. Until someone responds to what the market obviously wants, I will just spend my money on other media. There is a reason why Netflicks gets my dollar and Blockbuster doesn't any more.

  45. Legality of allofmp3 by Calroth · · Score: 2, Informative

    There's an article about the legality of allofmp3 in the Sydney Morning Herald, at http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/04/26/10828314 75556.html (registration probably required). Note that it's in the context of Australian law.

    Quote from it follows:

    We sought some advice from a Melbourne barrister and contributor to these pages, Simon Minahan, who practises in the area of intellectual property.

    His opinion: "There's probably nothing to stop the individual from downloading this material for private use. For end users, the issue is a basic question relevant to acquiring a reproduction of any copyright work: has the rights owner consented?"

    Even if allofmp3.com's asserted licence is bogus, says Minahan, "the end user would seem to have a good basis to argue that he is an innocent infringer, which would mean he isn't liable to damages, although he would still be liable to an order requiring him to destroy or deliver up any copies and an order requiring him to refrain from doing it again."