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AOL Subscribers Finding Greener Pastures

Mitch writes "The Register is reporting that America Online has lost close to 2 million customers since September 2003. At the end of September they had 22.7 million customers in the US which was down more than 500,000 since the beginning of the quarter. This news comes one day after it was announced that more than 700 jobs would be cut from Virginia offices by the end of this year."

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  1. Does this mean? by Evangelion · · Score: 5, Funny


    That the September finally ended?

    1. Re:Does this mean? by hab136 · · Score: 5, Informative
      That the September finally ended?

      Since there's two replies already that don't get it, parent is referring to the September that never ended

    2. Re:Does this mean? by slothbait · · Score: 5, Funny

      Maybe~
      I would go check on the newsgroups, but I am still afraid.

      Now excuse me while I reminisce by idling on an IRC server that has no services.

  2. And the burning questions remain by kalpol · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Why do the remaining 20 million stay? There is nothing on AOL that can't be accessed from the internet at half the cost.

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    1. Re:And the burning questions remain by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 5, Insightful

      AOL is like the Disneyland of the internet. Everything is clean and there are signs everywhere. Everything also costs more. Lots of people can't handle it in the real world, so they stay in Disneyland.

      -B

    2. Re:And the burning questions remain by Elminst · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is the burning question... And not only that, AOLs prices have gone UP over the past 5 years. Unlike every other dialup service that has started offering lower rates and lower usage plans; AOL unlimited accounts have jumped 3-5 bucks in price for the same (or worse) crap.
      When I worked for a local ISP in 99, we had AOLers switching to us to save money (us 17.95, AOL 21.95). Now I have AOL customers coming in our shop saying they're paying 24.95 for dialup!!
      WTH is that? In some places, you could get cable for 10 bucks more. And most DSL providers have plans under $30 that are screaming fast compared to AOL.
      Why do they stay with AOL???

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    3. Re:And the burning questions remain by swordboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why do the remaining 20 million stay?

      Because it is easy.

      I used to scoff at AOL users like everyone else here on /. but I've found one thing:

      AOL keeps people from calling me.

      I'm sure everyone knows what it is like to become the local "support geek". I used to get teased for being a geek and now people can't stop calling me. But I have found that AOL users call me less. So I encourage AOL usage - especially for people with children.

      Certainly it isn't perfect, but it does say a lot when someone gets broadband and then ditches AOL only to renew their subscription because of how easy it is. I see this a *lot*.

      As a side note, AOL would be wiped out if someone came up with a broadband modem that implemented a really good content filtering. Something like Dan's Guardian in a small, user friendly box that had easy bypass controls for adults. I do realize that most off-the-shelf routers will do primitive keywork content filtering but this could be improved upon.

      Maybe AOL should get into the router/firewall business? To date, nobody has made this technology easy for Joe and Jane Six Pack to use.

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    4. Re:And the burning questions remain by Tar-Palantir · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, I will tell you why one customer stays. My grandfather has been with AOL for years. He hates it: the buggy software crashes on him regularly, connection is not especially reliable, etc.

      Unfortunately, he is the author of a lot of articles in journals in his field and is well known in this field. This means that his email address is published a *lot*. Leaving AOL would necessitate the huge hassle of changing and updating his email address.

      And then, of course, he is also 72 years old and not especially computer adept. He *does* want to leave AOL, but for better or worse he knows how to use the program. We've talked about DSL, but the extra speed matters little to him.

      Basically, he stays with AOL because it is easier for him than the alternative.

    5. Re:And the burning questions remain by ikea5 · · Score: 4, Informative

      AOL offers 5 bucks/mo. for keeping the email add.

    6. Re:And the burning questions remain by nospmiS+remoH · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I pay $26.95 for a 3Mbit down / 256 Kbit up over cable. I remember in the early 90's when I was first exposed to a locak dialup and I literally said outloud, "Well then, why does anyone need AOL anymore?" I thought AOL's days were numberd but I never knew that number was in the thousands.

      Life lesson => Never underestimate the ignorance of pretty much everyone.

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    7. Re:And the burning questions remain by Elminst · · Score: 3, Informative

      A friend of mine finally convinced his parents just last week to get cable modem, because they were actually still paying for a 2nd phone line to use just for AOL...

      Yeah I totally forgot that extra cost. That's usually another 10-20 bucks a month for the phone line. So you're paying 35-50 bucks for DIALUP! That's just insane.
      My cable bill is $55 and that gets me Roadrunner and basic cable for the month, with 3M down/384k up.

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    8. Re:And the burning questions remain by nospmiS+remoH · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Am I the only one that cringes when I see stuff like AOSmell, Internet Exploder, Microsux, Windoze, etc. ? I may not like these products, but these words completely and utterly lack any hint of even a remote sense of any form of humor.

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    9. Re:And the burning questions remain by aacool · · Score: 3, Funny

      I must confess - I am not a novice at the net - I've been on the Net for many years - I'm on a broadband connection, with all the protection one needs, and my own blog. But I subscribe to AOL for Broadband. Mostly for the content - Newspass, music, video. I had it free for 6 months - I'm paying 14.99 now. Ok! I surrender! Tt makes no sense! I'm gonna call and cancel! - if they let me.

    10. Re:And the burning questions remain by Total_Wimp · · Score: 3, Funny

      Why do the remaining 20 million stay?

      What?!?! I can't believe anyone would ask such a dumbass question! People stay with AOL because:

      1. They like phone lines. Ethernet cables are bad and complicated, unlike phone-lines thate are simple and ubiquitus.

      2. Broadband is TOO FAST! Have you seen those crazy kids with their suped-up thingmajigs just zooming by you at every web site? It's just plain scary.

      3. Ads are comforting. I get advertisements on my TV so I deserve to get advertisements on my internet too. Why would I want a substandard internet that's not even good enough for advertising? Since I get AOL ads, AND the ads for the web sites I visit, my comfort level is at least doubled.

      4. Credit card debit is the way to go. Why get a monthly bill and write a monthly check like you would for your phone service or cable service? That's so 20th century. I trust my ISP so I want them to just take my money.

      5. You just can't use AIM without AOL service, can you?

      6. Kids love it! Theres no danger or smut available from AOL and there never was. It's 100% safe and wholesome.

      DUH!

    11. Re:And the burning questions remain by EaterOfDog · · Score: 3, Insightful

      One of my friends has a good term for it. "fake fun" Prepackaged, tightly controlled, limited entertainment.

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    12. Re:And the burning questions remain by Deekin_Scalesinger · · Score: 5, Insightful

      and they won't let you. Here's a fun story.

      I finally convinced my wife to drop AOL last year when we were in a bit of a money crunch. They would not accept our cancellation instructions and made it very difficult to leave. Rather than change my credit card number to get rid of them, I decided I would make it advantageous for them to drop me.

      I created a screen name called CacaPooPoo (I forgot the exact name, but it wasn't far from this) and went a trolling. Trolled long and hard, far and wide. I went into religious chat rooms and spewed forth such vile language that Penisbird would be ashamed. Of course they threatened to report me - I sneered at them and went on my merry way into the next chat room. Merriment ensued.

      A solid hour after starting this, I finally got booted off with a message on the screen to call them at 800-xxx-xxx to discuss my behavior. Intrigued, I called and spoke to an Indian woman in their abuse department. I mentioned that I was booted off and wasn't sure why. She explained to me that a screen name called BigCacaPooPoo was reported as spamming repeatedly in all caps "I WANT TO GREASE YOUR MOUTH UP WITH MY POO!" in Christian Chat 87. I let her know that I was indeed aware of this behavior and that I was trying to get the account cancelled. I said those exact words. She replied that they would consider this a warning and reactivate the account. I mentioned that even though I was trying to get it cancelled and was aware of the behavior (seeing as it was me that did it), did I understand her correctly that I was being reactivated? Yup, she said. Thanking her for her time and good efforts, I went back at it and trolled with renewed vigor. Along with this I found a message in my mailbox from a specific TOS person or whatever they call it, advising me that further offenses would not be tolerated. I replied to him with 4 pages of "F*** YOU" c/p'ed over and over and some ASCII art of goatsee.

      Alas, my time was marked at that point. Ten minutes later I was booted off of AOL with a message stating that my account was cancelled. Success! I had accomplished my seemingly simple goal and have a bit of fun doing it. Juvenile? Of course. However, look deep inside yourselves and ask the kid in you if you wouldn't have done the same thing. You are offered too few chances in life to act like a bull in a china shop with the result that you wanted in the first place. Seize the chance! Troll now, have some fun and save yourself $14.95 in the bargain!

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  3. Maybe if they stopped... by JustNiz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    sending out those free coasters, they'd save some money and not have to fire staff.

    1. Re:Maybe if they stopped... by MindDelay · · Score: 3, Funny

      i hope they go bankrupt from sending out coasters, i could use a few more!!! i don't know where i would be in life without aol coasters.

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  4. Lite Client by joel8x · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe they should stop focusing on "Making the internet better" and make it less cumbersome for their users. Each version is so much worse than the last. And why are they still using IE at the core when they own the development of the world's best browser???

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    1. Re:Lite Client by Jim+Hall · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Maybe they should stop focusing on "Making the internet better" and make it less cumbersome for their users.

      Their last round of commercials doesn't help that image. My personal favorite is the one that implies all the AOL users hate the service. You know the one - long line of AOL users, asking to see the president because they have an idea on "making the internet better". And the line becomes a huge crowd of people outside.

      A non-technical friend of mine saw that commercial, and his immediate impression was "Wow, AOL must _really_ suck if everyone hates it that much." That certainly seems to be the message they're sending with that ad.

  5. high speed internet by Richthofen80 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    People would rather pay $50 and have broadband than close to $30 and have dial up. While you can use AOL over broadband, what's the point?

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  6. watch the commercials by mshultz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You seen those AOL commercials that began to show up a few weeks ago (during the baseball playoffs and world series)?

    I never understood why AOL thought it would be a good idea to show a roaring mob of millions of customers outside company headquarters with ideas for "how to improve the Internet." I guess these ads show a pretty accurate picture of their recent status, with that many customers leaving...

  7. Yes of course by cubicledrone · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Middle management's first and only answer to each new day in business: fire hundreds of people, preferably by entire departments.

    Of course, AOL is still making over $400 million a month in subscriber revenue, but it's always better to have mass layoffs, as every middle manager knows. Fire 'em all. Layoffs by the hundreds. Destroyed careers. Destroyed credit. Savings lost. Years of effort flushed down a shitpipe. Who the fuck cares? The business must maintain their earnings and 20% annual growth.

    Disney fired 4000 people between nine-figure summer movie releases, then destroyed an entire animation studio, firing 250 with unique abilities and experience. Walt Disney was very proud of the fact most of his employees had worked for Disney their entire careers. Now, the company can't wait to fire people every quarter. It's the way of business.

    This isn't capitalism. It's budgeting by layoffs.

    Careers are meaningless. Everyone is a temp. W-4 employment is a farce.

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    1. Re:Yes of course by SansTinfoilHat · · Score: 4, Funny

      Can I mod this +1 Bitter?

  8. AOL job cuts in France by jeanluc.bonnafoux · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here are some news: it seems that AOL is going to cut some jobs in europe (France) too.
    http://www.zdnet.fr/actualites/business/0,39020715 ,39181152,00.htm

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  9. No crap... by fimbulvetr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Netzero has been doing some very effective advertising for about a year. AOL did nothing, no changes in service, no advertising, no competitive rates, etc.
    Now, AOL just started advertising, claiming value added services.
    They're still going nowhere, at the end of the day the average consumer cares nothing about services, they want a cheaper price.
    AOLs only alternative that I can see is to purchase netzero, but don't migrate their userbase. Continue to be netzero, and if you loose customers from AOL, BFD. You'll be getting less profit per customer, but at least you'll still the the recurring revenue.

    Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see AOL crash and burn, but they _do_ have a niche.

  10. Why were they so slow to move to broadband by leoaugust · · Score: 4, Insightful
    It happenned a long time ago but I still have not understood as to why they wanted to milk the 56 K dialup customers so much, that as others were signing up broadband customers - AOL was focussed on getting more 56 K customers at a faster rate than they were losing them. They should have tried harder to retain them even if they were cannibalizing their own 56 K customers by moving them up to broadband. Classic business case of a slow response ...

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  11. marketing hype hits critical mass by OffTheLip · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For many AOL users AOL _is_ the internet. As more become educated they relealize they have been duped by clever marketing. When friends demonstrate broadband technolgies which, remarkably, access the "AOL" internet with freedom and speed they wake up.

  12. Nah by wiredog · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They're all moving over to their local cable and telephone companies. Which have even lower security than AOL. Expect more worms, viruses, and general whackiness than when AOL was between them and the Wild Wild Net

    1. Re:Nah by Southpaw018 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Not so true. AOL is the internet for complete morons - they do everything for you from virus protection to including non-standards-compliant hacked web browsers (mostly versions of ie now) so that you get it all in one application. They also have the insufferable "keywords" so that you don't have to use something that takes a little effort. Like Google.

      Local cable and telephone companies expect you to do these things yourself because you're a human being that deserves to have choice (and a normal internet access program that doesn't permanently destroy your computer's tcp/ip settings).

      As someone who works regularly with people who know little to nothing about computers and technology, I've found that AOL users have absolutely no safe browsing habits to speak of, normally aren't aware that they need a firewall or sometimes even virus protection, and pretty much depend on AOL to do everything for them. I know that's a sweeping generalization, but it's what I've found. On the other hand, even folks who aren't very tech savvy but use a "normal" ISP have at the very least nominal safe browsing habits, and many are quite good at detecting viruses and phishing scams in email and knowing when they shouldn't click on the "yes to install this java package" button.

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  13. It IS down, I have PROOF! by SmurfButcher+Bob · · Score: 3, Funny

    Compared to past years, my MTA logs for my company have shown a HUGE decline in inbound chain letters, and nested FWDs of FWDs of FWDs of FWDs of FWDs of FWDs of FWDs of FWDs of FWDs of FWDs of FWDs of FWDs of FWDs of FWDs of FWDs of ...

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  14. Define "customer" by Gothmolly · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Many AOL "customers" aren't actually customers at all, but rather, people who think AOL=Internet, MS-Word and Windows are the same thing, and that their monitor is 'the computer' while the computer case is 'the hard drive'. AOL isn't losing actual customers, they're losing people who washed up there because they clicked on something when they booted their BestBuy PC for the first time. These people are simply moving to Broadband, or any one of the $6/month ISPs, or DSL, or something else.

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    1. Re:Define "customer" by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Add this to the equation...I've got an AOL acct I've had for probably 10-12+ years. I don't actualy use it much anymore save for the screenname for AIM and chatting. Now that I've gotten around to cancel it, guess what...I'll lose my AIM name if I cancel the service.

      I *know* this used to be allowed but AOL stopped it to prevent the bleeding of even more people who now only want the free AIM service.

      Since I use that name for damn near everything, work/family/friends, it's really too much hassle to switch it to another name at this point so I'm down to the 4.95/month option that keeps the email and chat active but no realy other features (a good thing).

      Any thoughts as to the anti-trust aspects of this? They offer a free service, I want to downgrade to that free service but I'm told that because I started with AOL instead of AIM (which didn't exist back then) I can't just have an AIM account now (with the same name). If I had started with AIM, then signed on to AOL, and then wanted to go back to AIM they *say* I'd be able too. Anyone here done that?


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  15. AOL demographics by Andy_G_Bannister · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Does anybody know of any studies on the demographics of AOL customers? My hunch, from those I know who use it, togeher with AOL advertising (I'm in the UK), would be that it tends to be:

    (a) Net newbies who then keep renewing their service
    (b) Older folks who like a bit of hand-holding

    This is not meant to be derogatory --- I'm simply curious as to who these millions are and why they stick with a service that is slow, cumbersome and expensive.

    1. Re:AOL demographics by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 4, Insightful
      "This is not meant to be derogatory --- I'm simply curious as to who these millions are and why they stick with a service that is slow, cumbersome and expensive."

      For the same reason you keep paying for the services of your current bank, even though the employees are clueless and the fees are stupid. Regardless of how much better things would be with a better service provider, it's too much hassle to switch.

  16. Re:AOLers getting smarter? by MyLongNickName · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Kind of funny. Kind of elitist.

    I think that the average user is getting more EDUCATED, not more intelligent. Lemme give you an example. Today at work, we receive approximately 27,000 metric tons of information about changes to our health care plan. I consider myself relatively intelligent, with a good amount of education. However, the volumes of information are not in my realm of expertise. The HR folks seem to think we should be able to absorb all this information and make an intelligent choice for our families within two weeks.

    For someone who is absorbed in this stuff, this is probably very straightforward. To someone who is in the tech field, understanding service providers, and "what the internet is" is relatively trivial.

    The danger becomes that or profession looks down on the majority of folks who don't have a clue. It isn't because they are stooopid. It is because the mechaniscs of the computer world does not interest them. Our job is to serve those folks, help them to make better choices, make it EASIER to make those choices.

    Overall, I think we've done well, but then there are posts like this, which I HOPE are the minority.

    If we all had the same gifts, this wold be a boring world.

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  17. Re:But seriously... by maxwell+demon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    For me, the best ISP is the one I notice the least. Basically, I want a reliable pipe to the internet, for as little cost as possible. Nothing more and nothing less.

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  18. Re:But seriously... by 3rd_Floo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes thats all I want too, but AOL isnt aimed at the /. crowd. As someone said before, AOL is aimed at Joe and Jane Sixpack, who are too afraid of what lurks on the wire or to clueless too know any better. And frankly, thoes kinds of users need something like AOL to help them take their baby steps onto the web.

  19. Layoffs might be a good thing by scottennis · · Score: 3, Funny

    Please let them fire the person who keeps sending me those $%*# disks.