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Running Mac OS X Panther

sympleko (Matthew Leingang) writes with his review of Running Mac OS X Panther, by James Duncan Davidson. "The Macintosh has come a long way in twenty-plus years. Much has been said of Mac OS X being the perfect union of a rock-solid operating system with a beautiful and functional user interface. Since the iMac, Apple's market share has been steadily increasing, and since OS X, Unix users have been making the switch. My last computer was a dual-boot box that I kept finding excuses to keep from booting to Windows. My PowerBook is literally the best of both worlds. I can run the older unix-based apps I need to for work, and use Microsoft programs and play fancy games when I want. It's also essentially two different computers. This book is about using that second computer, the workhorse behind the scenes." Read on for the rest. Running Mac OS X Panther author James Duncan Davidson pages 306 publisher O'Reilly rating 9 reviewer Matthew Leingang ISBN 0596005008 summary Managing your Mac as a unix box

The book fills a certain niche very well. It is not the missing manual to the iApps or a list of Finder tricks. It's not a primer on Unix for people used to GUIs and Macs (that's Learning Unix for Mac OS X Panther , also from O'Reilly). This book is for users who have administered a machine or network before and want to get the absolute most out of their Mac. It's also useful for connecting your Mac to a network seamlessly. But it's complicated and technical enough if you're the kind of Mac user who doesn't have the Terminal on your dock you might be intimidated. That may not include most slashdot readers, but it's worth mentioning because part of the Mac ideology is that it works beautifully with little trouble. The Unix ideology, however, is also represented: if want to tweak it, you can.

The author illustrates both interfaces to the operating system throughout the book. There are Macintosh applications to access all kinds of system information, whether it's users and groups, preferences, system logs, or services. For those who love Unix and the command line, just about anything you can do with the GUI you can do with the CLI. This makes a nice two-tiered approach to anything you'll want to do. The GUI is fast and easy to learn, but some things (particularly automated tasks) really need to be done on the command line.

The book is written well, and if you happen to be sitting next to your computer while reading it, you'll be constantly torn between the two. There are lots of things you'll want to try right away.

Part I: Getting Started

This part has a charming history of the Macintosh, from the toaster to Panther, complete with snapshots (my favorite parts of these are the disk usage indicators: System Folder: 152K in folder, 167K available.) It's fun to read and discover where on the time line you came into the fold.

Here also is a basic layout of the filesystem, containing parts used by the more Macintosh-y side and the more Unix-y side. For instance, there are several directories (um, folders) called Library; these contain information which might be in an include, share, etc, or lib directory. Better put, these contain supplemental Mac-app-related, non-user data. For Unix applications, the /usr, /var, /bin, /sbin, /etc, are all there.

Of course, there are top-level places to store things, or user-level locations for essentially the same kind of data (applications, preferences, documentation). This is the concept of filesystem domains, which additionally include network and system domains. The whole idea is to allow customization to ordinary users without giving up system integrity and preventing all users from unintentionally corrupting things.

If you haven't used the CLI on the Mac before, the author gives a basic introduction to Terminal.app. Terminal by default uses the bash shell, but there are number of ways to change that if you want. Several text editors are available for editing through the terminal, but unfortunately, the author doesn't talk much about them. True, pico is self-explanatory and vi and emacs users will already have their followers, but a little more than how to exit these programs if they start accidentally (while that's quite useful information) would have been helpful.

There's important extra structure to Mac files that can be (accidentally or intentionally) unlinked on the Unix side. There are commands like ditto, CpMac and MvMac which take care of the important stuff and do exactly what their GUI counterparts do (and more than mv and cp). Also, there's open which is the analog of double-clicking (either apps or docs), and osascript which lets you write and run AppleScript scripts on the fly. More could have been said here about the differences between Mac files and Unix files. What of the resource fork?

Part II: Essentials

This is where the book's meat is. There is first a blow-by-blow account of what happens when you turn on your Mac. If you are interested in seeing all the gory details, you can always hold down Propeller-V during startup and see the BSD diagnostics (even if you don't know what these mean, it's nice to know some progress is being made. Though I love the taste of Mac Kool-aid, I often worry what's going on while that dial is spinning). You can change how the Mac boots by updating (at your peril, as usual) the Open Firmware settings on the chip with nvram. One nice bit of customization from Bell-and-Whistle Land: the graphic shown at boot time is in /System/Library/CoreServices/SystemStarter/QuartzDisplay.bundle/Resources/BootPanel.pdf. The /etc/hostconfig file has Unix-style host configuration information, such as what services get turned on.

Creating your own startup items is relatively easy; it's a matter of putting a directory, shell script, and plist file in /Library/StartupItems. You can also customize what happens after a successful startup. You can present a login window, auto-login as a specific user, or even allow dropping down to console login.

The larger and more powerful a computer gets, the more people want or need to use it, and the more important it is to make sure each user area remains separate. At the Mac lab at which I worked during college in the early nineties, we used RevRDist to make sure every computer in the lab mirrored one with just the right software, fonts, and windows in the right place. The Mac from which we mirrored was locked in the office, not to be touched. Now there are much easier ways to do this without wasting a computer.

It's easy to create and manage users using the the Accounts preference panel. The root user exists, but is essentially not needed. The person who installs the operating system becomes an administrative user, and can bestow that privilege on other users. On the command line, all administrative tasks can be done with sudo, which requires authentication as an administrative user to run, but which contains a slight memory so that passwords don't need to be typed at every command. Although it's discouraged, you can allow the root user to log in.

With the several filesystem domains, each user can manage his or her own preferences. Each application allows access to its own preferences, or they can be taken care of from the command line with the defaults utility. GUI means it's easy to do what you want without knowing exactly what setting to change; CLI means you can automate it easily.

Another important aspect of a multi-user system is in permissions. Like in any good unix, in Mac OS X files have permissions attached to them indicating whether the owner, other users in the owner's group, or all users are allowed to see, edit, or run them. This can be managed through the Finder (with the Get Info menu command), or with the command line with chmod.

Several applications in the /Applications/Utilities folder allow you to keep track of what's running on your Mac. The author demonstrates these:

  • System Profile, which shows information about your system's hardware and software. You can use this to check out who made your hard drive and how much RAM you have. Also, every application installed in /Applications is registered here, so you can easily see what versions of which are there.
  • Console is another great utility for monitoring your applications. It collects log files from /Library/Logs, /var/log, and ~/Library/Log in a tree for browsing. You can filter views of these logs easily, making this a little more pleasant than tail -f.
  • To monitor processes themselves you can use Activity Monitor. Think of it as top on Macintosh Steroids. You can inspect processes to try and figure out what they're doing or kill them if they've stopped accepting input. For super users and developers, you can sample processes to figure out their inner workings. There is probably FMTYEWTK about processes, but it's good know it's there.
  • To terminate processes, there's the Force Quit command from the Apple menu, or you can do it through Activity Monitor, or there's good old-fashioned kill.

At the core of the Mac filesystem lies, of course, the filesystem. The Mac OS X Extended Filesystem (HFS+) is powerful yet friendly. It's case-preserving and case-insensitive. The latter means that README and Readme are the same file, but the former means that your original name for the file will be kept without enforcement of case usage. So if you want to call it ReAdMe, that's oK, too.

One of the most powerful features of HFS+ is journaling. This means every change to the file system is kept track of in the event of a system crash. This causes a slight overhead but pays benefits in automatic recovery from crashes without having to run fsck (or be scolded by your computer for its own crash). Fragmentation is also handled smartly; files smaller than 20MB are moved so as to have less than 8 fragments.

Lots of other disk-related activities are covered, including:

  • how to mount filesystems of other types, including CDs and DVDs, Apple Filing Protocol, Samba, NFS, WebDAV and FTP;
  • The Disk Utility application and its CLI cousin diskutil which do as much as you would want and more with a disk utility. You can check, repair, partition, erase and format any disks. You can even obliterate data by writing over it eight times with random data. Take that, NSA!
  • disk images, which are like 21st century tarballs. A disk image contains not only data but its own filesystem, and are mounted onto the user's filesystem just like disks. In addition, disk images can be encrypted to restrict access without a password.

Part III: Advanced Topics

The further along in the book, the less useful it gets. That speaks not the author's skill of exposition or choice of subject matter, but simply confidence in the Mac and the knowledge that I didn't need to know it. For the user administering a single machine, there's no real need to grok the inner workings of Open Directory: it just works. Printing, network services: it all just works. That's good news for Mac users. But it's also good that all this information is available if you really do want to tweak default behavior or configure something that isn't working as it should.

I talked about this book with the systems administrator in my department, and he mentioned that my statements in the previous paragraph are somewhat simplistic. According to him, it was a hard task to have public Mac workstations which mounted home directories from a central Unix computer, and allowed users to have their own preferences and user data (including Dock setups) live in their Unix accounts. Apparently the book that has all the information about networking, warts and all, hasn't been written yet. This book is as good as it gets, so far.

To summarize this part of the book: Open Directory has nothing to do with the filesystem directory. Instead, it's the central location of all authentication information. At one time Unix maintained user information in flat files such as /etc/passwd and /etc/group; with the advent of larger networks that regime has been largely replaced. Open Directory is a liaison between BSD's Pluggable Authentication Modules (PAMs) and Mac's Directory Services on the local end, and LDAP, Rendevous, Kerberos, etc., on the network end. Open Directory can talk to Active Directory as well, to allow authentication across Windows and Mac platforms. Through network (shared domain) authentication, users can log in on networked machines while their names and passwords are stored on a central server. The Directory Access Utility is the tool for this.

NetInfo is the database behind Open Directory. As usual, there are two ways to manage Netinfo information; the GUI NetInfo Manager, and nicl on the command line.

Mac OS X uses CUPS (Common Unix Printing Service) to configure and access printing. The printing chapter shows how to add and manage printers using the Printer Setup Utility, and how to customize jobs with the various settings in the standard print dialog. Like I said, though, printing is much easier than it sounds from this chapter. Rendezvous and Open Directory find the printers you're allowed to print on; you click Print and go.

Networking and network services are also covered here. The author shows not only the theory behind networking, but the settings which allow one computer on a network to find another on another network through the internet. Once this is accomplished, a number of services can be deployed, from FTP to remote login to a personal web site.

Appendices

There's some useful stuff in the back, including how to install Panther from scratch (but especially what needs to be backed up before you do so!), all those boot key combos you can never remember, and a whole list of other resources, be they books, magazines, web sites, or mailing lists.

Check out this book if you want to learn the gory details of Mac OS X's core. It's short on gimmicks but long on information.

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288 comments

  1. Is your Mac OS X Panther running? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Then you better go catch it!

    1. Re:Is your Mac OS X Panther running? by Timesprout · · Score: 5, Funny

      Heed this advice. My OS X Panther got loose and even though the little slut was only out for one night and next thing you know I have a litter of iPods on my hands.

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      Do not try to read the dupe, thats impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth
      What truth?
      There is no dupe
    2. Re:Is your Mac OS X Panther running? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      If that's true, I'd be pimping her out all the time. Or are you the guy running the Free iPod program?

    3. Re:Is your Mac OS X Panther running? by jrockway · · Score: 5, Funny

      Dude. iPods are like $300 each! Quit-yer-bitchin' and sell 'em on eBay :)

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      My other car is first.
    4. Re:Is your Mac OS X Panther running? by Joey+Patterson · · Score: 0, Funny

      Actually, my Mac OS X Panther is running, but it's being chased by a Firebird and a Firefox.

    5. Re:Is your Mac OS X Panther running? by nadadogg · · Score: 1

      Hot damn, talk about the goose that laid the golden eggs!

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    6. Re:Is your Mac OS X Panther running? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You replied twice... are you trying different jokes out?

    7. Re:Is your Mac OS X Panther running? by Timesprout · · Score: 3, Funny

      For the love of god, will no one think of the illegitimate little baby iPods!!!

      --
      Do not try to read the dupe, thats impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth
      What truth?
      There is no dupe
    8. Re:Is your Mac OS X Panther running? by vicparedes · · Score: 1

      And you'll know OS X is past its prime when the next release is codenamed "Cougar."

    9. Re:Is your Mac OS X Panther running? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The bastards!

    10. Re:Is your Mac OS X Panther running? by kevcol · · Score: 4, Funny

      Those things happen when you go out on Safari.

    11. Re:Is your Mac OS X Panther running? by Ucklak · · Score: 1

      Would those be the black ones?

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      if you steal from one source, that is plagiarism, if you steal from many, well, that's just research.
    12. Re:Is your Mac OS X Panther running? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      -1, racist?

    13. Re:Is your Mac OS X Panther running? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whoosh!

      That was the sound the joke went over your head. Phanter is black. And the joke referred to the U2 iPod which is black with red click wheel. Racist? What the hell! Politically correct fascists are the most annoying people on earth.

    14. Re:Is your Mac OS X Panther running? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um? ...Huh?

  2. Its a good book. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    CompUSA has it now.

  3. Tiger by mirko · · Score: 1, Insightful

    It's just a pity that this book is 1 year late.
    Now, it's a book about Tiger (10.4) that we'd need.

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    Trolling using another account since 2005.
    1. Re:Tiger by kiddailey · · Score: 1


      Actually, it may do good to have it out there now - drumming up interest and excitement with those people not yet running Panther or even those without a Mac. It might spur them into actually purchasing a Mac and/or Tiger when it does arrive.

    2. Re:Tiger by blixel · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's just a pity that this book is 1 year late.

      The book isn't a year late, the review is. I've had this book since February of this year. The date of the book is December 2003.

    3. Re:Tiger by aldoman · · Score: 1

      What the hell are you on about? Who is possbly going to buy a $800 computer after seeing a book about it?!!

    4. Re:Tiger by IO+ERROR · · Score: 1

      The problem is that it takes so long to write a book, that by the time you have it written, proofread, edited, and sent to the presses, the next version of the software is probably almost ready.

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      How am I supposed to fit a pithy, relevant quote into 120 characters?
    5. Re:Tiger by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      It's just a pity that this book is 1 year late.
      Now, it's a book about Tiger (10.4) that we'd need.


      This is about darwin the core, not the Aqua Gui. Tiger are mostly Aqua and application differences. The core is basically the same.

    6. Re:Tiger by AddressException · · Score: 1

      Someone who was on the fence, and only needed some reassurance to be nudged off?

    7. Re:Tiger by Erik+Hollensbe · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I've been meaning to ask...

      With the release of FreeBSD-5.3, are we going to see userland changes? I'm curious, a lot of the core utils have been significantly updated, and I think Panther is still running mostly on 4.x's userland.

    8. Re:Tiger by Erik+Hollensbe · · Score: 1

      While I agree with you - Apple stores are notoriously flexible with their display use policy... If you're respectful, you can get them to install quite a girth of software you're interested in (or do it yourself, depending on the salesman), beat on the machine, break it (software-wise), and walk away without even thinking about it.

      It's a far cry from the sales-sentries at Best Buy or similar that freak out when you touch the keyboard.

    9. Re:Tiger by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1
      FWIW, my household is one that is partly making the switch from Linux to OSX. There are several Slackware boxes littered around the house, and my wife has hitherto been happy with this arrangement.

      However, she is now getting a Powerbook (prompted primarily by a requirement to be able to use EndNote), so she has given me some food for thought as to how to intrgrate it into the network.

    10. Re:Tiger by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This leniency probably stems from the fact that every hard drive in the store is wiped and re-loaded with a clean system/application image, every business day. If one machine gets goofed up they can either choose to re-image it on the spot, or know that it will get scrubbed later.

    11. Re:Tiger by RdsArts · · Score: 4, Informative

      I can't remember where, but I believe during the main push for 10.3, they were touting that much of the userspace had already moved to the (then recent) 5.1 code, so I imagine this release will be no different.

    12. Re:Tiger by ahacop@wmuc.umd.edu · · Score: 1

      That's not my experience. I went into an Apple store and told them, "I'm trying to get my dad to buy a PowerBook instead of a x86 laptop. However, he has to run some civil engineering programs that are Windows-based. I would like to see Virtual PC running on a PowerBook."

      Virtual PC isn't one of the standard pieces of software that are pre-installed, and they refused to install it especially for me. They said if I signed up for the ProCare program ($99, I think) they would do it for me by appointment.

      I wasn't going to pay $99 to demo a laptop. I had to ensure that Windows wasn't too slow on VPC, otherwise I would hear about it endlessly from my dad. So, my dad bought a x86 laptop.

    13. Re:Tiger by lamz · · Score: 1

      This guy's not on the fence about Apple at all. In fact, he hates Apple. I think Apple kicked sand in his face, or something. Part way through a juvenile rant about the latest Survivor episode, he lashes out at Apple:

      Inside a hut, the producers have set up a satellite dish, a laptop from a useless and worthless computer company that is more concerned with making nifty gadgets than stable, versatile computers and a Web cam.

      I haven't seen random vitriol like that for years. I guess he simply forgot to predict Apple's imminent demise. Or maybe he's saving that for next week's rant about The Real Gilligan's Island?

      --

      Mike van Lammeren
      It will challenge your head, your brain, and your mind.

    14. Re:Tiger by lp_bugman · · Score: 1

      It was a good choise. You dont want to run your MAIN application emulated. Thats just not how it works.

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      BSD licensed software can't be stolen....
  4. Tiger is just around the corner... by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Tiger, the next version of the MacOS, is being polished right now. At Mac Expo London last week, Apple was giving demos of the new OS and had machines where you could get a hands-on taste of some of the new features, like video conferencing, Safari RSS, etc.

    Impressive doesn't do it justice: if it lives up to its billing then it'll be nothing short of the best desktop OS ever. And this coming from a dedicated Windows and Linux user.

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    "Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue." - David Brent, Wernham Hogg
    1. Re:Tiger is just around the corner... by fussili · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually Video Conferencing using iChat has been around for a long while (I make use of it every day talking to relatives around the globe who although may not be the most technoliterate are easily capable of using iChat). The big difference in Tiger is that you can Video Multiconference - ie have a multi user video conference.

      The GUI displays it as a sort of black marble table affair with beautiful reflections and an elegance which is breathtaking - not to mention the fact that using the H.264 codec they can render massive resolution video feeds from 3 other users and the feed from your own iSight/DVcam.

      Check it out

    2. Re:Tiger is just around the corner... by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I use Windows and Linux, I'm comfortable using both, and I have no plans to ditch one or the other, or adopt MacOS.

      Ergo, I'm a dedicated Windows and Linux user, and no oxymoron in sight.

      --

      "Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue." - David Brent, Wernham Hogg
    3. Re:Tiger is just around the corner... by Erik+Hollensbe · · Score: 1

      The problem is, that save the video conferencing features, iChat blows ass. For all purposes, it's horribly underpowered* given the alternatives.

      Most heavy IM users are using either Adium X or Fire, and Fire's going through a heavy rewrite right now - it has it's fair share of issues.

      I know the rewrite of Fire is taking advantage of it, but not sure if the current one is. Either way, the protocol support comes from libgaim, which is a great use of Open Source - I'm not a fan of GAIM's interface, nor Fire's, but it doesn't matter because I can judge the interface on it's own merits and not have to worry about protocol support - a common problem with IM clients.

      [*] Yes, I said underpowered - an IM client can be simple, powerful, and the features recieved well by people who actually need them.

    4. Re:Tiger is just around the corner... by fmileto · · Score: 0

      hmm seems to me that you can use both all you want. Be comfortable with 9 different oses, but you are not a dedicated user of either. You could say your a dedicated computer user of the x86 Variety. Google can help you wiht the definition of dedicated goolge

    5. Re:Tiger is just around the corner... by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It is possible to be committed to more than one thing at a time. It might be a novel concept to you, but it's not to most people.

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      "Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue." - David Brent, Wernham Hogg
    6. Re:Tiger is just around the corner... by fmileto · · Score: 0

      yeah your right

    7. Re:Tiger is just around the corner... by unclethursday · · Score: 1
      The problems with Fire, GAIM, and Adium-X being the interfaces for the programs, though. They're plain ugly, and unintuitive in some cases*.

      It REALLY makes me wish Trillian would come to the Mac, because I LOVED Trillian on my Windows machine... but there are no plans to make a Mac version (which I would love to use for ICQ, Yahoo and MSN, since I hate the Mac versions of those IM programs).

      *This coming from someone who uses Colloquy, an IRC client that uses the same basic interface as Adium-X. Still, I know many people who swear by Adium-X, and only turn it off for iChat for audio or video conferences. I just don't like the interfaces, myself (can we tell I've become a Mac user because I want my interfaces to be pleasant to look at or what?).

    8. Re:Tiger is just around the corner... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am a developer on Colloquy and have contributed to Adium and we must be using different apps. Same basic interface!? The apps are completely different, however due to user requests tabs were added, and since Adium X has the most featureful implementation on OS X, we went with theirs. The rest bears no resemblance.

      As to ugly and unintuitive, we must be using different versions of Adium, as it is nothing if not flexible. Adium has its own site for teh vast plethora of additions, schemes, and themes that can be added on to it. The application itself gives your choice of appearances, in that if you wanted you could have it impersonate attributes of other Instant Messengers on OS X.

    9. Re:Tiger is just around the corner... by justMichael · · Score: 1

      Take a look at Proteus, you might like it, it was my Trillian replacement when I left Windows.

  5. A Tiger by any other name by jackelfish · · Score: 1

    A re-issue is probably already in order as OS 10.4 is on the verge of appearing. I refuse to call it Tiger.

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    "When Nature Calls We All Shall Drown" Johan Edlund
    1. Re:A Tiger by any other name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      What are they going to call it after Tiger? My assumption is Lion, but beyond that...I mean, Ocelot? Serval?? Bobcat???

    2. Re:A Tiger by any other name by Trurl's+Machine · · Score: 1

      It's "teddy bear". No, really. I think they will progress according to the old Presley song: "I don't wanna be a tiger, 'cause tigers play too rough. I don't wanna be a lion, 'cause lions ain't the kind you love enough. I just wanna be your teddy bear" :-)

    3. Re:A Tiger by any other name by LurkerXXX · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Puddy-tat"

      </tweetie-bird>

    4. Re:A Tiger by any other name by bsartist · · Score: 2, Funny

      What are they going to call it after Tiger? My assumption is Lion

      And after that, Bear. Oh, my!

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    5. Re:A Tiger by any other name by ip_fired · · Score: 2, Informative

      Apple registered the names of some other large cats including Lynx, Cougar, and Leopard.

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      Don't count your messages before they ACK.
    6. Re:A Tiger by any other name by Migrant+Programmer · · Score: 1

      So far we have Cheetah, Puma, Jaguar, and Panther. Tiger is next.

      Other than Lion there are a few more well-known big cats: Leopard, Wildcat, and Lynx.

      I would think they would save Lion for the final version of Mac OS X.. the most "regal" of the bunch =)

    7. Re:A Tiger by any other name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      How about the rumored windows version. I hear that, in deference to Windows, it is bloated and slow, and for that reason they are calling it Garfield.

    8. Re:A Tiger by any other name by RatBastard · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Hobbes". Then "Krazy Kat".

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      Boobies never hurt anyone. - Sherry Glaser.
    9. Re:A Tiger by any other name by Fahrenheit+450 · · Score: 1

      Snagglepuss, perhaps?

      Heavens to Murgatroyd. It's a dual G5, even...

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      -30-
    10. Re:A Tiger by any other name by JeffTL · · Score: 1

      To me Lynx is still a textmode browser -- which, along with pssh, is the best way for me to get Internet on my Wi-Fi PDA. And besides, it works on OS X.

    11. Re:A Tiger by any other name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      large pussy?

    12. Re:A Tiger by any other name by AusG4 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Why do people keep forgetting "Cougar".

      I want to take my Cougar home, damnit.

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      SunOS panda 5.10 Generic sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-2
    13. Re:A Tiger by any other name by Migrant+Programmer · · Score: 1

      Because cougar = puma = mountain lion..

  6. "older" vs "Microsoft"? by grub · · Score: 1, Insightful


    I can run the older unix-based apps I need to for work, and use Microsoft programs and play fancy games when I want

    That's good, they aren't making any more unix-based apps from what I've heard. What kind of silly statement is that?

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    1. Re:"older" vs "Microsoft"? by bennomatic · · Score: 2, Insightful
      My interpretation of this was that the writer was talking about things like vi, emacs, lynx, etc... Many of the most powerful programs that a lot of people associate with unix predate the MS office suite significantly.

      You're right, "older" didn't need to be said, but I'd hardly call it "silly"

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    2. Re:"older" vs "Microsoft"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's not saying they're not making any more Unix-based apps. He's saying that he can run the older Unix-based apps his job requires while still being able to run newer stuff too.

    3. Re:"older" vs "Microsoft"? by green+pizza · · Score: 1

      That's good, they aren't making any more unix-based apps from what I've heard. What kind of silly statement is that?
      How about this site:
      http://sourceforge.net/softwaremap/trove_list.php

  7. bn.com? by blackmonday · · Score: 4, Informative

    Allow me to save you 43% off the listed bn.com price (I hope /. at least gets a cut at that price).

    The awesome Bookpool has it for $22.75.

    1. Re:bn.com? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Goddamn price comparison engines! Had to close my family's bookstore because of it. People would come and browse then say they tell us straight up that they were going to buy it online because it was cheaper.

      sombody has to pay retail dammit!

  8. "best of both worlds" by asv108 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    "My PowerBook is literally the best of both worlds. I can run the older unix-based apps I need to for work, and use Microsoft programs and play fancy games when I want."

    That goes for my thinkpad running Linux too. I can run microsoft programs, I don't but I could, and play "fancy games." While the game collection for OSX and Linux is increasing, its usually older games. I really don't find gaming enjoyable on a laptop anyway. My powermac G5 is a nice gaming machine with the addition of a sensible mouse. Now all I need to do is wait for Doom3 and Half Life 2. By the time they come out, my one year Apple warranty will have expired.

    1. Re:"best of both worlds" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why the hell would you wait for Doom 3???

    2. Re:"best of both worlds" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      He means when Doom 3 and Half Life 2 come out on Mac.

      I'm not sure I would compare a PC notebook dual booting Linux the same as a Mac notebook. I can play games on my iBook _without_ rebooting.

      By games I do not mean yet another clone of a classic puzzle game.

    3. Re:"best of both worlds" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ya, I was sort of wondering about the "Fancy Games" bit. I have yet to see a "Fancy Game" (ie: Half-Life 2, Far Cry, Doom3) that will run on a Mac.

      Maybe they'll come out by the time HalfLife 3 is released?

      (for the record, I have a powerbook in addition to my PC, but I have no illusions that it's in any way a gaming machine, much less a "Fancy Gaming" machine).

    4. Re:"best of both worlds" by NeedleSurfer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you are a gamer, pure and hard, truly a Mac isn't the computer of choice. That's not why people use Mac or play games on them. Mac users usually want the option of running a few games, they will buy their computer for video editing, audio engineering, media content creation and management, biochemistry, genomics... that sort of thing, if it can also play games... yay!

    5. Re:"best of both worlds" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now all I need to do is wait for Doom3 and Half Life 2. By the time they come out, my one year Apple warranty will have expired.

      You will have expired by the time HL2 comes out for the Mac. HL1 never came out for the Mac, and Valve has said they have no plans to port HL2 either.

    6. Re:"best of both worlds" by juiceCake · · Score: 1

      Strangely enough people use all sorts of different systems for all sorts of different reasons, be they Linux, Mac, Windows for example. I use my computer for video editing, audio engineering, media content creation and management, bookkeeping, surfing the web, that sort of thing. It's not a Mac. I do use Macs at some of the places I freelane at though. One computer is much like another...

    7. Re:"best of both worlds" by Erik+Hollensbe · · Score: 2

      Don't buy a Mac if you're a gamer. Buy a Mac when you want to get work done.

      Buy a Windows machine to play games - they're ultimately cheaper and support more of the stuff you will undoubtedly like to play.

      If that changes in the future, great. Otherwise, my plan is to install FreeBSD for utility servers, use a Mac as a UNIX workstation and play games on a Windows box.

      If you can't afford that, perhaps being choosy isn't something you should be doing. I know I wasn't when I couldn't afford it.

    8. Re:"best of both worlds" by unclethursday · · Score: 1
      Ya, I was sort of wondering about the "Fancy Games" bit. I have yet to see a "Fancy Game" (ie: Half-Life 2, Far Cry, Doom3) that will run on a Mac.

      Unreal Tournament 2003 and 2004, WarCraft III, World of Warcraft (might not be out yet, I forget, but Blizzard is good about making their games Windows and Mac compatible), Civilization 2, Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, Halo, Call of Duty (and expansions), Battlefeild 1942, and more are on the Mac. Doom 3 is coming, but Half-Life 2 is not (especially since Valve wants like a billion dollars to license the original Half-Life in order to make a Mac version-- and because they will not program a Mac version themselves, this is the only reason Half-Life and Half-Life 2 are not coming to the Mac-- because Valve is Valve).

    9. Re:"best of both worlds" by bmxbandit · · Score: 1

      Or alternatively you could just spend £100 on a PS2/Gamecube and play the newest games as they should be played (ie, no installs) and bypass the evil empire all together! (or I suppose you could buy an Xbox!)

  9. Excellent free resource... by blackmonday · · Score: 5, Informative

    Mac OS X Hints is a great free resource for those wanting to get under the hood of OS X. They have stuff like Applescripts for automation, shareware reviews, and command line stuff. Bookmark it!

    1. Re:Excellent free resource... by mirko · · Score: 4, Informative

      Also visit MacFixItand XLR8YourMac...

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    2. Re:Excellent free resource... by mmmuttly · · Score: 1
    3. Re:Excellent free resource... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Be careful with Mac OS X hints though - make sure you read the comments before trying anything too drastic, some of the stuff they suggest is either an idiotically cumbersome way of doing things suggested by people who've just realised Terminal.app exists (e.g. a few days ago this guy suggested booting into single user mode and using a shell script to swap between X and OS 9, when holding down the Option key at startup does the same thing), or even worse, blatantly dangerous.

      Caveat lector.

    4. Re:Excellent free resource... by codeconfused · · Score: 1

      Mac OS X Hints was a real help when getting Midnight Commander ported over. Now I'm working on KVirc. KVirc is a bit trickier to port.

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  10. Re:More Mac pimping by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Despite its title as a book review, isn't this just another Apple-pimping slashvertisement?

    Yes.

  11. Re:apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You say in your journal that your karma needs to go up. Well, it won't with such stupid comments. Apple has created a very good OS based on Unix, and applied their GUI and usability philosophy to it.

  12. essentially two different computers.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have a windows box and a Mac. I would just like to point out that this too is essentially two different computers.

  13. RISC vs CISC? by copponex · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I have an emachines laptop that includes an Athlon64, 512MB RAM and an ATI 9600 Mobile. I bought a 15" AlBook with an ATI 9700/128MB RAM.

    Yet, WoW runs faster on my emachines laptop, without a doubt. And on the forums I've heard that people are getting less framerates than my x86 laptop while running Dual 2.5 G5s with 6800 Ultra cards.

    My question is, where's the bottleneck? Is it poor optimization for PPC? Or driver design? Or simply RISC vs CISC?

    I was going to throw YellowDog on the AlBook because I love the hardware, but YD4 still doesn't have a sleep function, which is the same problem I have on the emachines. I've since gone back to fedora on the x86 and the difference in opening programs, scrolling, etc, is huge. Anyone out there with anecdotes on YellowDog vs OS X?

    1. Re:RISC vs CISC? by pkhuong · · Score: 1

      RISC Vs CISC was over years ago. They've both have sort of CISCy frontends (look at that OoO scheduling :/) with RISC core.

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    2. Re:RISC vs CISC? by John+Courtland · · Score: 1, Informative

      RISC vs CISC no longer applies to modern x86 architectures. The instructions you feed the x86 class processors are not exactly what are run on the execution core, there's a bit of translation to give RISC-style execution speed for commonly used ops (MOV, INC, ADD, etc) while retaining backwards compatibility.

      As far as the bottleneck, I'd venture to guess that it's probably poor optimization. It MIGHT be driver related, nVidia might be behind in their Mac drivers. Eh, who knows...

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    3. Re:RISC vs CISC? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's apparently a lot of problems with Apple's current OpenGL drivers.

    4. Re:RISC vs CISC? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have Fedora Core 3 on my x86 box and I just put YDL 4.0 on my iBook G4. Despite X not working right away at install (you need to run Xautoconfig --fbdev, then edit the config file to give it higher than 8-bit color), YDL 4.0 performs exactly like Fedora Core. In fact, it is just a port of Fedora Core 2. Which means it's a little behind, as Fedora itself is up to Core 3.

      Also, you cannot use Fedora's Yum repositories, you need to use Yellowdog's and search Google for better ones. A lot of packages are missing. For one, Firefox is NOT available for YDL 4.0. You can build it yourself if you want, or grab the rpm from a YDL 3.0 repository, but then you're stuck with an old build of Firefox. Kind of disappointing.

      Debian PPC is looking more and more like a better PPC Linux option, as X works right after install and requires less tweaking to get it to work. The new Debian-installer (sarge) is less pretty than Red Hat's Anaconda, but it actually detects all PPC hardware (at least on my iBook G4) and the partitioning tool is even simpler than Red Hat's now.

      You can always use Debian's Alien package to turn the redhat-artwork rpm into a .deb file if you want that pretty Bluecurve theme. Same thing for their configuration tools, such as the services manager, you can rip the rpm's to deb's and use them, if you really want them. Other than Bluecurve and the nifty Red Hat tools (which Alien can turn into deb's), there's no reason to use YDL over Debian PPC these days.

    5. Re:RISC vs CISC? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its the RAM.
      Put more in the AlBook, at least 512.
      Macs eat up RAM like it was precious air.

    6. Re:RISC vs CISC? by TheLittleJetson · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Anyone out there with anecdotes on YellowDog vs OS X?

      I stopped running linux on my macs at work for one simple reason. Make a list of the activities you plan to do under linux, that you couldn't do under OS X. Now, make a list of things you can do under OS X and can't do under linux. Chances are, you'll end up sacrificing a bunch of features so you can simply say "I'm running linux". There's no motive.

      Hell, if you're a X11 purist you can even make it so you can toggle your OS X install between Aqua and XDarwin as your default environment. ...but once again, there's not much reason to do this as you mostly just lose functionality. Mac's have the advantage of being able to use OS X, why not do it?

    7. Re:RISC vs CISC? by Llywelyn · · Score: 2, Informative

      " Athlon64, 512MB RAM and an ATI 9600 Mobile. I bought a 15" AlBook with an ATI 9700/128MB RAM."

      128 MB with WoW *and* MacOS X? You should have at *least* 512 MB, preferably more.

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    8. Re:RISC vs CISC? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't think that having 1/4 the RAM on the Mac might have a little something to do with that???

    9. Re:RISC vs CISC? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I think he means he has a Radeon 9700 Mobility with 128MB of RAM.

    10. Re:RISC vs CISC? by topham · · Score: 4, Informative


      The bottleneck is OpenGL on the Mac.

      Check out www.x-plane.com and you'll see mentioned of the author having some issues with really low frame-rate on his new scenery for version 8 of X-plane. (The scenery is brutal. But it runs on a PC, and kills a Dual processor G5.).

      I looked into it a bit and it looks like Apple's implementation allocates too much memory and causes thrashing (in memory) if the Display Lists are too large. I suspect it is the same reason iD hasn't released Doom III for the Mac, simply put the current OpenGL code cannot push that much data.

    11. Re:RISC vs CISC? by acidvoid · · Score: 1

      I think so too, But still there's the performance gap.

      My old Thinkpad T40p (replaced with a PBG4/1.5/9700) outperformed the PB on almost every 3D game, and it had a 9000 with 64 MB. Not that the PB is bad, it's not, it's just that using Windows most games run smoother.

    12. Re:RISC vs CISC? by JamieF · · Score: 1

      A better question is, why buy a Mac to run Linux? The reasons to buy a Mac (nice hardware that ALL WORKS, lots of complex hardware and software interactions that Just Work) go away when you use Linux. Just buy an AMD64 or x86 box if you're going to run Linux 100% of the time.

    13. Re:RISC vs CISC? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. Like any *nix, they simply allocate a bunch, it doesn't necessarily get used. Ass.

    14. Re:RISC vs CISC? by PygmySurfer · · Score: 2, Informative

      I suspect it is the same reason iD hasn't released Doom III for the Mac, simply put the current OpenGL code cannot push that much data

      iD hasn't released Doom III for the Mac yet because Aspyr is. Why iD isn't doing there own port though, is beyond me.

    15. Re:RISC vs CISC? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Make a list of the activities you plan to do under linux, that you couldn't do under OS X.


      "sloppy focus".


      I'm not trolling--I'd kill for sloppy focus in OS X. As a side note, Fink is a piece of shit. I'm waiting with bated breath for Gentoo on MacOS to reach stable.

    16. Re:RISC vs CISC? by unclethursday · · Score: 1
      nVidia might be behind in their Mac drivers.

      Except that nVidia doesn't write their drivers for the Mac platform, Apple does. They send the specs and such to Apple, and Apple writes the drivers.

      Same for ATi.

      Apple pretty much writes all the drivers for all the hardware in Macs, so they know that they'll work. It is extremely rare (but probably not unheard of) to hear of driver conflicts on a Mac, especially since the release of OS X. This is also why driver updates are included in the Sytem Updater, because Apple is releasing the newest drivers, not the company that made the hardware.

      Microsoft doesn't write all the drivers for Windows hardware (since they can't control what goes into a Wintel machine as much as Apple can control what goes in a Mac), and that's part of the reason why there are still driver conflicts on Windows. The companies sometimes write half-assed drivers just to barely get the hardware to work, and then have to patch and patch and patch.

      With Apple having complete control of the hardware and the drivers for said hardware in each stock machine they sell (there's still upgrade options for Mac users not from Apple), they are assured that the hardware will "Just Work" when it is first booted up, and will continue to "Just Work" until an issue comes up that they need to fix.

    17. Re:RISC vs CISC? by knutal · · Score: 1

      I stopped running linux on my macs at work for one simple reason. Make a list of the activities you plan to do under linux, that you couldn't do under OS X. Now, make a list of things you can do under OS X and can't do under linux. Chances are, you'll end up sacrificing a bunch of features so you can simply say "I'm running linux". There's no motive.

      Correct me if I'm wrong, but I guess that linux/X11 would run faster on a mac than OSX/Aqua, for some that is important enough.... For many people linux does whats needed, for the rest there is always Mac on Linux

    18. Re:RISC vs CISC? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ???
      why would the nice hardware go away when you use linux?

      I use linux on my ibook now for close to 2 years. And I rarely ever boot in to macosx. Its just shitty: No programs available, cumbersome commandline tools (I guess I could find a way to install gnu variants but I'm too lazy to search for them, I rather install an rpm on my linux install to get what I want), and it doesn't really provide me with a development environment I have on linux (yes, I could probably use fink to get all the linux tools, but then I could just as well run linux, since it is OSS apps I want to hack on anyway).

      In addition, I don't think macos has less bugs than a linux distro. The only thing I would use it for is commercial apps which do not run on linuxppc, but I do not use those. So for me the choice is easy.

    19. Re:RISC vs CISC? by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 1

      That's called "lock in", don'tcha know.

    20. Re:RISC vs CISC? by lp-habu · · Score: 1
      I'm not trolling--I'd kill for sloppy focus in OS X.
      Have you checked CodeTek's Virtual Desktop Pro? It has a rather tweakable focus-follows-mouse. Try the demo and see whether it will work as you like. If it does killing will not be required, but $40 will be. I don't think that the free version has a flexible focus option.
    21. Re:RISC vs CISC? by John+Courtland · · Score: 1

      I did not know that, thanks for the info.

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    22. Re:RISC vs CISC? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NO, it wouldn't. Apple's X11 implementation is video card optimized in that the same Quartz Extreme magic that makes aqua lower CPU use and faster overall also powers X11, and that you don't get unless you have an Xrender extension for your particular setup. So No, X11 wouldn't run faster under linux on a Mac.

    23. Re:RISC vs CISC? by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

      Athlon64, 512MB RAM

      AlBook /128MB RAM

      Maybe it is the fact that the PC has four times the RAM? Macs are RAM hungry, I would not run OSX on less the 256, and my powerbook does fine with 768. Aside from the RAM, while I like Blizzard and really enjoy their games, I have not been too impressed with the technical aspects of the mac versions of their games. Warcraft III, for example, always ran on a single processor of my dual processor tower. They could do a better job of multithreading.

    24. Re:RISC vs CISC? by TheLittleJetson · · Score: 1
  14. Max OS X is great, but... by samekt · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I am a long time PC user, dual booting Windows and Linux. Although I am not easily influenced by advertisements, Slashdot is doing a very good job convincing me to switch.

    I know that Mac OS X is a great OS. I think I know the most important advantages of switching. What is holding me back, however, is the fact that no-one is talking about the disadvantages of doing so.

    I know that there are certain applications which do not exist on Mac OS X. But I can do my research on that topic. What truly bothers me is that there might be things I do not expect to be missing, e.g. I recently learned that iBooks do not support extended desktop, or that Quicktime does not play fullscreen.

    So I have a question to y'all switchers. Are there any annoyances you encountered when switching from Windows or Linux? Something unexpected?

    1. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    2. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by fussili · · Score: 2, Informative

      erm, Quicktime not play fullscreen?

      Command-F : Fullscreen

      That's also accessible via the 'Movie' menubar

      You can also choose "present on screen" from the same menu.

    3. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by qloops · · Score: 2, Informative

      Fullscreen QuickTime playback is supported by the Pro (pay-for) version of the QuickTime Player application on both Mac and Windows platforms. It has always bugged me that they split QuickTime into 2 versions a number of years ago, the free one having most of the functionality disabled. Video Lan Client http://www.videolan.org/vlc/ is a very good program, that offers a lot of features Quicktime's free version does not.

    4. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by igomaniac · · Score: 1

      Yes of course there are annoyances -- you've learned to do things one way and when you try to do them the same way on a mac it doesn't work, and a lot of the nice little details of the OS you just don't know about at first. To take two examples: when I first got a mac I was looking for the Add/Remove programs thing in the System Preferences (the equivalent of the control panel) because I wanted to uninstall a program. I couldn't find it, and grew frustrated until I realized that you can just drag applications to the trash. The second example is that just a few weeks ago (after over a year of using the iBook every day) I realized I can drag a file on top of the terminal window and it types the full path and name of the file - it's a very nice feature, integrating the finder and the terminal nicely. Of course there are also other annoyances which are _real_ annoyances unlike my first example. The software supplied with my digital camera didn't have an OS X version and although iPhoto is very nice, there are some advanced features of the camera that I can't use. Overall I'm extremely pleased with the mac, 99% of the time things just work and I can concentrate on the work I want to get done. I use quite a lot of unix applications which don't run well on windows (don't get me started on cygwin... it really is quite unpleasant), so for me it's a big gain -- YMMV

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    5. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by kiddailey · · Score: 4, Informative


      Actually, Quicktime definitely does do fullscreen. What doesn't is the free version of Apple's Quicktime player - though for $25 US you get fullscreen and a lot more handy features.

      There are many free alternatives though -- such as, but not limited to MPlayer and VideoLAN which are two very fine players.

      As far as missing applications, I've had yet to be unable to find alternatives to what I use in the PC world, so without further specific examples, you won't get much help. In fact, even if there is a program only available for PC, VirtualPC or Remote Desktop Connection Client solves that problem completely for me.

      I've always used Win and Mac OS (since Win3.1 and OS 7 anyway) and the only major annoyance on the OS X side is when I keep hitting CONTROL+C to copy on my Mac after working on the Windows box for prolonged periods of time.

      I won't even bother to list all my annoyances with Windows :) ... IMO, it just feels like a clumsy OS in comparison.

    6. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by radish · · Score: 1

      Just as an FYI to anyone reading this on a non-mac, windows supports this too (and has for a while). Just drag a file onto a command window and watch the magic :)

      Do the popular linux terms not offer this? It's been a while since I had a suse install to play with.

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    7. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by Trurl's+Machine · · Score: 1

      I know that Mac OS X is a great OS. I think I know the most important advantages of switching. What is holding me back, however, is the fact that no-one is talking about the disadvantages of doing so.

      Well, I consider myself a real Apple fan, bought 4 of their machines and the next one probably will also have the fruity logo. The hardest part of the apple to chew for me is the limited choice of hardware. I mean, the hardware itself is absolutely great, but the choice isn't. For example, if you fancy a subnotebook - stick with x86. Apple just abandoned this segment since powerbook 2400 (that is, around 1998). The smallest machine they manufacture is powerbook 12" - not upgraded since April 2004 and still actually not as small as some Sony Vaio subnotebooks.

      Also, it's frustrating that Apple cripples some "low-end" machines just to emphasize the difference between low-end and high-end. There's no technical reason for Powermac 1.8-single CPU to have slower bus than its siblings, dual G5 Powermacs, it's done only to make them "different" so higher price tag on dual is more "justified". But what if I don't need dual CPU. single CPU with fast bus would be enough for my needs? What if I don't want modular design, I'd rather have something like iMac - but with the fastest G5 and graphics card on the market? Then I'm screwed. Of course, every company is doing things like this - abandoning certain market segments, crippling its low-end machines etc. But on the x86 the competition is too sharp and too widespread - if Dell abandons certain segment, probably HP will take it from here. If you stick with MacOS, you suddenly find yourself out of many choices you took for granted so far.

      Like I said, I think the benefits are still more important than lack of choice so it's not that I'm discouraging you - but you (wisely) didn't ask about benefits this time, you wanted to hear about annoyances.

    8. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by jackelfish · · Score: 2, Informative

      I have been using a mac since OS 6 was first introduced. I currently own an iBook G4 and while it does not support an extended desktop there is a firmware hack that will provide you with this capability if you have a vid card with enough RAM.

      That said I do have 2 pcs at home, one running windows XP and the other running Debian. For some of the more obvious annoyances between my mac and windows pc (fink and apple's X11 actually give me most of the capabilities of my Debian box):
      1) many websites (large corporations, including many banks) are optimized for windows and will not display properly in Safari or IE for mac (no longer supported by Microsoft). This can be overcome if you happen to run Microsoft's Virtual PC, which will run XP and therefore a compatible IE.
      2)I do not like iPhoto's categorizing my digital photos. I have yet to find a good program for the mac (I use Firehand Ember on my PC)
      3)Which brings me to another point, there is a lot more shareware out there for Windows (however, if you are proficient with Unix, many of these types of applications have already been written for Unix and can be compiled on OS X given a little time).
      4)If you need to have all the shiny new software out there, then the mac is not for you. An example is Gmail. It only recently began supporting Safari and there is still no Gmail notifier for OS X (although there are some nifty Gmail widgets out there for Konfabulator).
      5)Upgrading is more often than not a problem. Don't think that you can head off to CompUSA and buy a new video card for your new G5 tower. Memory is really the only readily upgradeable component in an apple (and this is only a recent addition). Many apples leave you stuck with what you bought (I do not really see this as a big problem as I like to upgrade to a completely new system every 2 years or so anyways).
      6)People will salivate all over your new computer. So if you have OCD don't buy a new mac.

      If you are heavy into windows and need to use Microsoft Access or other windows only apps extensively, don't think that virtual PC will be your savior if you buy a mac. In this case stick with Windows for these things. However, if you are just waffling because you can not think of what you "might" be missing, just jump in and go buy a new 1.33GHz iBook, you will not be disappointed. I myself will always use a macintosh, not being a PC gamer and now that I have the command line and X11 I may never use anything else.

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    9. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually it is possible to do full time even with the free version of QuickTime player which comes with OSX. I discovered this recently. You can do it through AppleScript:

      tell application "QuickTime Player"
      activate
      present movie 1
      end tell

      (this could easily be triggered by a shortcut key using your utility of choice)

    10. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... or full screen even

    11. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      re #1: i've never had a problem using Safari, but that doesn't mean other people haven't. you could also use Firefox.

      re #5: now that GMail supports POP access you can just check your email with Apple Mail, Eudora, etc etc.

    12. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by samekt · · Score: 1

      It works in Suse 9.2 too.

    13. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Re #4 - GmailStatus is at http://homepage.mac.com/carsten.guenther/GmailStat us/, fits in the OS X menubar. There are at least 4 other Gmail notifiers for OS X. Do some research before making blanket statements, n00b.

    14. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by HotButteredHampster · · Score: 1

      I'm a switcher, but my switch happened so long ago as to be lost to history. Against that, I can offer you the fact that I use Windows XP at work every day, so I live in both worlds.

      iBooks do not support extended desktop

      This is something I can speak to: they do support it. I have a iBook G4 12", and it's a very simple hack to fix this. Apple has created a setting in OpenFirmware which prevents it, but the hardware can do it. Run the hack, and voila: mega-desktop goodness. I run a 19" external monitor when I decide to chain myself to a desk.

      On the subject of annoyances, I'm scratching my head. I can talk for hours about the annoyances that I have when working with XP, but usually, the Mac annoyances come down to compatibility issues

      1. Web sites that only work in IE. Sometimes even IE 5.2 for Mac doesn't cut it, but this whole situation is becoming rarer every day.
      2. Brainwashed corporate people who believe that everything should be a Word document (but you can $choke out for a very nice Mac version of Office). Exchange/Outlook/Entourage is the same deal.
      3. Finding out a particular piece of software isn't available. With OS X, though, this is not usually an issue, not like in the System 7.x to 9.x days.

      Come to think of it, that's the same list you'd have for a Linux box, except the Office solution in that case is OO.o. As long as you can be flexible, you're okay.

      On the hardware front, you have to deal with the fact that you can't plunk PC graphics cards in a G5 and expect it to work, but ATI and nVidia both churn out quality cards for Macs. Hard drives and other (CD-R, DVD) drives for x86 are variously possible to put in a Mac, but check with the Mac hardware geek community first.

      HBH
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    15. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by jackelfish · · Score: 1

      Gmail does not offer pop access to all its members at this time.

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    16. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by mollymoo · · Score: 1
      I got my first Mac, an iBook, a few weeks ago. A few odd things (this is a UK version, some may not apply to the rest of the world): @ and " are the wrong way round (@ is on the 2 key). There's no # key marked (it's ctrl 3). No Del key. Seriously, there is no Del key (it's Fn backspace). No disk activity light(s).

      Apple say you can't run the iBook closed, which makes docking and using a separate keyboard/mouse/monitor a bit of a bugger. You can make it run closed with a bit of hacking, which I think I'll do, and just stick a fan on the dock pointing at the vent on the side and see how warm it gets.

      If you want anything built-to-order (bigger HD, Bluetooth etc.) it takes 2-3 weeks.

      The 12" iBook screen is nothing special. Not particularly bright and the vertical viewing angle isn't too great either. Perfectly useable, but not up to the standards of the Powerbooks or Cinema Displays.

      All those things are pretty minor. Generally I've been very, very happy. I can find apps to do whatever I need, it's scarily easy to set up and customise using the GUI. It really does "just work".

      By the way, you can hack it to make extended desktop (assuming you mean spanning desktop onto an external monitor) work.

      I still have my Windows and Linux boxen, but the only thing I miss on OSX compared to them is the availability of games on the Windows box. My Mac running OS X is just a better computer than my Windows or Linux boxes (and yes, I do know how to use them both). More expensive (not just the hardware - there is more of a shareware than freeware community in the Mac world if you want native OSX apps rather than GPL/Linux ports), but worth every penny IMO.

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    17. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by j0kkk3l · · Score: 1

      You can get extended Desktop on the iBook with the Dual Display Hack. http://rutemoeller.com/mp/ibook/ibook_d.html QuickTime won't play Fullscreen in the non-Pro Version, that's true. But you can write an easy Apple Skript to solve that: http://www.xvsxp.com/scriptability/applescript/ http://wherewearebound.typepad.com/mac_geek_and_ga dgetry/2004/11/fullscreen_quic.html

    18. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by jackelfish · · Score: 1

      I actually mentioned the Konfabulator widgets that act as Gmail notifiers. Thanks for pointing out my omission, as there are obviously an abundance of Gmail notifiers available to those such as yourself.

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    19. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by BFaucet · · Score: 1

      Reliance on the mouse is a big issue to me. I really loathe having to pause reach for the mouse every two seconds to move the cursor to the button, click then go back to my keyboard. I also find Apple's mouse designs to be pathetic. Single button mice are down right dumb in my opinion. Right clicking is such a useful feature. I wouldn't mind not having a wheel, but a right mouse button is very valuable. The shortcut keys they have can also cause a strange tangle of fingers too. Having that option key confuses my hands to no end.

      Price is also a big issue. I realize Apple is very high quality and as everyone likes to say, "it just works." But I don't have $5k to burn for something I could get for $2k on the PC side. And this dual G5 I use at work generates a TON of heat. I thought my Athlon box at home made a lot of heat, but this thing doubles as a space heater.

      After all that bitching I should clarify I do like the Mac. Having access to a nice terminal is really very nice. I'm hoping my fingers will adjust to having the option key and figure out how to arange themselves so they don't trip over themselves. I also didn't find the Mac as stable as my Windows box, but It seems much more stable after three weeks of working with it. I think after working with an OS after a while you gain a subconscious rule book on things you shouldn't do (Like don't try to write to an NTFS formatted external drive... Finder locks and it won't even restart... Force quit is also rendered useless.)

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    20. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by lixlpixel · · Score: 1
      An example is Gmail. It only recently began supporting Safari and there is still no Gmail notifier for OS X

      why don't you just set up a pop3 account in Mail.app for your gmail address?

    21. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by siriuskao · · Score: 1

      First thing I noticed with OS X is there is no CUT option. Therefore I can't cut/paste files like I am used to in Windows.

    22. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you only use the mouse that comes with your Windows or Linux computers? No? Then why complain about the Mac mouse? Guess what happens when you put a three button mouse on a Mac? BTW, there is no frelling way you can get "the same" PC for $2K that you have to spend $5K on for a Mac. Maybe if you're comparing MHz . . . but clock speed isn't comparable across architectures: different instruction sets (and no, I'm not talking about the CISC/RISC thing), different everything.

    23. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by qloops · · Score: 1

      ummm, try cmd-x (cmd = apple key).

    24. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dell doesn't make a 21-inch LCD.

      Dell's 20" widescreen display uses the same LCD Panel as Apple however, so it doesn't have anything to one up Apple on.

      HP makes a 23" widescreen display that also happens to use the same LCD panel as Apple's 23".

    25. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't find the G5 dated at all. also, when you talk about 2.5 GHz, you do realize that this is a whole other thing from Intel 2.5 GHz, right? And is $799 for an eMac (with a CRT), $999 for an iBook really all that "vastly overpriced?" Sure, the monitors are pricey, I'll give you that.

    26. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by ThousandStars · · Score: 1
      There's no technical reason for Powermac 1.8-single CPU to have slower bus than its siblings, dual G5 Powermacs, it's done only to make them "different" so higher price tag on dual is more "justified".

      Chips need to meet a tolerance range to be considered acceptable, and that includes FSB range; as such, I'm guessing that Apple puts 1.8 ghz chips that otherwise wouldn't make the cut into the single processor machines and reduces the FSB. Meanwhile, they can introduce a headless Mac for less money than they'd be willing to sell otherwise.

    27. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by ThousandStars · · Score: 2, Informative
      Reliance on the mouse is a big issue to me.

      Hit command (the apple button)-tab to cycle through programs and command-tilde (~) to cycle through windows in a particular program. Command and the direction of an arrow left, right up or down will bring you to the end of lines, right and left, or the end of a field, up or down. That might be part of the "strange tangle" you describe, but I've found that I don't have to take my hands off the keyboard often.

    28. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by jackelfish · · Score: 1

      Actually, I have set up Mail.app to check my Gmail account and it works perfectly (Gmail only began offering this within the past few weeks), however Gmail did not offer pop access immediately to all of its users. I think the point of my comment is being misinterpreted. I meant this as an example of some OS X deficiencies and Gmail happened to be one, while it may no longer be a problem it was at one point and there will undoubtedly be a problem, like this, for some future technology.

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    29. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I actually have those two monitors sitting next to eachother, with a dual monitor set up, on my pc at home.

      While there is not one aspect of the apple monitor that is a lot better, every aspect of it is a little better. From the touch "buttons" to the pane of glass seperating the lcd panel from the rest of the world to the sleek metal outer shell.

      Next to the cinema display my dell monitor seems like a cheap piece of plastic.

    30. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by kiddailey · · Score: 1


      I believe he was referring to the fact that you can use cut/copy and paste in Windows with files to move and copy the actual files around - which to me is silly, but to each his own :)

    31. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      That command never appeared until I got the cracked version of Quicktime. I was surprised, I had always assumed it was one of the typical Apple bonehead mistakes. Like the Quicktime program itself is really ugly and hard to use.

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    32. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by toddestan · · Score: 1

      The Apple Laptops aren't so easy to upgrade, not everyone wants to carry a USB mouse around everywhere with them. I don't understand why Apple doesn't include the extra mouse buttons, it's not like it would destroy the simplicity of the design or something.

    33. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by Fahrenheit+450 · · Score: 1

      Reliance on the mouse is a big issue to me. I really loathe having to pause reach for the mouse every two seconds to move the cursor to the button, click then go back to my keyboard.

      So get yourself one of these. I did, and it's one of the best purchases I ever made. Shiny.

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    34. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by iwrigley · · Score: 1

      iBooks *do* support 'extended desktop', actually -- mine's doing it right now. You just need to download a neat little patch called Screen Spanning Doctor'.

      Google is your friend: the search 'ibook "extended desktop"' returns the relevant page as its #1 link.

    35. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by Fahrenheit+450 · · Score: 1

      Well, you can use copy and paste (Cmd-C and Cmd-V) to copy and paste files. There's just no cut (and Cmd-C followed by Cmd-Del doesn't work either, as you can't paste after you move the original to the trash).

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    36. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Both GNOME and KDE support this with their associated terminal programs.

    37. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by lixlpixel · · Score: 1

      "nichts für ungut", like they say here then ...

    38. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by Methuseus · · Score: 1

      Works in Mandrake 10.0.

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    39. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by Erik+Hollensbe · · Score: 1

      I'll try and be objective, because I never really "switched". I believe in using the right tool for the job.

      IE is there, and the nice thing about the mac is that you can have all the major browsers on your machine (including a KHTML-based one, which is unavailable on windows AFAIK)... Big bonus if you do web dev. However, it's IE 5.x (version slips my mind), and the renderer is tweaked somewhat. So, while this was attractive to me originally, it's ultimately useless.

      Some things are poorly supported on the Mac - if you use Macromedia's Flash plugin, hope it never works because that baby saps my G4 dry every time it fires up the smallest of animations. Also, FireFox 1.0 has, as far as I can tell, a XPFE bug where it doesn't redraw when it is hidden and revealed. I haven't reported it yet, I've been to busy and it doesn't bug me that much.

      Hmm - Mail.app is slick, but I wish it had more power in the filtering department... While you can have it execute applescript, applescript is notoriously weak as a general use language. However, it is /extremely/ powerful for the void it fills - which is fully automated system interaction even at the GUI level, and almost every application supports it, and if it doesn't, you can get pretty far manipulating the system's underlying support to get it to play with the app. However, I am notoriously demanding of mail clients.

      Compiling software on my Powerbook G4 is horribly slow - the G4 is not a fast processor, and AFAIK, G5 laptops aren't available yet. However, between fink and darwinports, I don't end up compiling much OSS, but just installing it from binary.

      If you buy a Mac, remember two things:

      1) Apple overcharges for everything
      2) They never sell enough ram with their machines.

      Add 1 and 2 together - right after you buy your Mac, go to Circuit City and buy a ram stick that will work with it. Be sure whatever warranty plan you might have purchased covers it. Applecare, for all I know, is a very nice service with awesome turnaround, so it's probably worth the money. However, you'll find that Apple's RAM is not that great and is marked up astronomically high.

      OTOH, my cat had fun with my powerbook keyboard and I am going to be out $120 to replace it grey-market and violate my warranty at the same time. I don't even want to know what apple charges for the same part. $300 up front would have been worth it.

      Another thing, buy the actual unit directly from apple. Perhaps i had an isolated experience, but the shady characters at my local affiliate tried to off me a display model at first (they actually had recorded iMovies on the box from other people checkign out the machine, plus, it had a bad LCD.), for a brand new price, and I am not isolated in my "interesting" dealing with these people. In case anyone cares, it was "Connecting Point" in Southern Oregon. It took them almost 2 weeks to replace it, and that was after I threatened legal action. If I was lying, it would be slander, but I'm not. :)

      Anyways, I know this post sounds pretty negative, but the hard part was the first month, dealing with the vendor B.S., and learning the system. After that, it's smooth sailing. If you're a UNIX geek, you will feel right at home when you hit the terminal - a great deal of terminal utilities interact with the GUI in a way that the PARC and XFree guys could only imagine on UNIX - mostly from the NeXT merge, but Apple has done their fair share of improving the system themselves. Nowadays, you'd have to do more than put a gun to my head to make me abandon this platform on as a workstation.

      And, FYI, I run X11 programs and I have an RDC client to talk to windows machines - so I have access to all the platforms I use right here.

    40. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by Erik+Hollensbe · · Score: 1

      Oh, and if you're an Emacs user, I hope you like GNU Emacs, because you'd better get used to it being your only option. The darwinports build is especially nice.

    41. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by smallpaul · · Score: 1

      For the year I was a Mac user I kept meaning to write a list of the thing that annoyed me. There was a lot of great stuff and you hear about it all over the place. But nobody is really documenting the stuff they dislike.

      Being less keyboard friendly was definitely part of it.

      Incompatibility with office stuff was another. I use Firefox most of the time on Windows but there are times that I switch browsers to IE 6 for weirdly coded sites. I didn't have that option on the Mac. I could just cycle between three or four different minority browsers that were equally likely to have problems with the non-standard site. There is no Visio for the Mac.

      Games of course...

      For such a usable system the Mac takes a strangely application-centric view of windowing rather than a more modern document-centric view. You could kill all instances of textpad but textpad is still running. Whereas if you kill all instances of notepad, it is gone.

      There seem to be a bunch of ways to install apps on the mac. Some have executable installers. Some are disk images. Some are disk images containing executable installers. Some are SIT files. Maybe there are even some SIT-compressed disk images containing installers. I dunno. I found it confusing.

      If I recall correctly, the Mac was not as good at showing different media types within the context of a web browser app. So for instance having a PDF right in a browser window which is cleaned up by the browser like any other browser chrome. As I recall, Safari etc. would tend to download the PDF or .DOC to my desktop and I would have to manually delete it later.

      I hated the pulsing light on the PowerBook. It's attempt to mimic "sleeping" would actually make it harder for me to sleep because I would see it through my eyelids. I had to throw a towel over it every night (yes, I use my laptop until I fall asleep and first thing in the morning).

      You kind of have to get your head around the fact that there are two systems: Darwin and the gui on top. Sometimes I would naively think that the right way to do something was at the BSD level and find out that my actions were futile or destructive. For instance there are some commands that are made obsolete due to other directory services commands. Passwords are not handled through "passwd". You aren't supposed to start Apache from the command line. etc. Fink added another layer of weirdness. Why doesn't Darwin have its own package manager?

      All of my laptops wear a lot where I rest my right wrist (bad habit). But the PowerBook is the first one where the paint totally peeled back so that the thing looked really old after a year.

      Oh yeah: that annoying VGA dongle. I can't count the times where I was in one place and the dongle was in another. I never once used the DVI output so it was totally useless to me. (SVideo was nice though)

      And then there are the Mac users. Annoying and smug...especially if they are long-time users and perceive you as a johnny-come-lately. Watch how they swarm this thread pointing out that my annoyances would not really be annoyances if I came around to the one true way of thinking.

      That said, there was a lot to love about the Mac. Stable, powerful, easy to set-up, easy to use. But you don't need me to tell you about that. Just go down to the Mac store.

      If I could choose my own environment, I'd still say the Mac is the best but I have to work with Windows-only apps and Virtual PC was just too painful (and had some really destructive bugs).

    42. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by aldoman · · Score: 1

      Negative.

      Dell's new 20.1" (typo - sorry) widescreen has a contrast ratio of 600:1 vs 400:1 for the Apple. It is also 400cd brightness vs 350cd for the Apple IIRC.

    43. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Come to think of it, that's the same list you'd have for a Linux box, except the Office solution in that case is OO.o. As long as you can be flexible, you're okay.

      Ahem. There _is_ a OO.o-Version for the Mac. Look at http://www.openoffice.org

    44. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by aldoman · · Score: 1

      Of course. I'm an AMD man, and the AMD64 and Opteron are far more powerful than the G5, in almost every benchmark. I think dual CPU's are overkill, and are until we see Dual Core CPUs, which AMD is ahead of everyone in. The G5 is also full of supply problems. Apple has had to delay two product launches (iMac G5 and eMac G5) by about 3 months because of it. And yes, $799 is overpriced for an eMac. I don't want a crappy CRT (the eMac CRT is horrible - 72Hz at the top res!), I want a TFT or no monitor. Dell can do you a P42.8GHz, 512MB RAM, 120GB HDD and a 17" TFT Monitor for the same price. Sure, you get crappy onboard video but the 9200 32MB is a joke, and it'd cost about $70 to slot in a fairly decent AGP card, something that you can't do with the eMac.

    45. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by michaeldot · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That command never appeared until I got the cracked version of Quicktime.

      When you first ran it, QuickTime would have come up with a "sales pitch" dialog claiming one of the benefits of buying QuickTime Pro was to be able to play fullscreen. I believe that should be a standard feature, but apparently the QuickTime Pro $30 keys sell quite well.

      typical Apple bonehead mistakes

      People around here really do have issues with Apple don't they.

      Quicktime program itself is really ugly and hard to use.

      It has a nice brushed metal interface and a big play button. In "play these movie trailers for me" mode that's what it does.

      The hard stuff comes when you start to use it for recompressing codecs or cut & paste video editing, which are harder concepts in themselves, brushed metal or not, but QuickTime actually does them very well. Anyway, it won Apple an Emmy for contributions to film editing, so it can't be as bad as you say.

      You're probably just used to the design philosophy of WMP which does things differently.

    46. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The file copy to the clipboard doesn't actually store the data, just a promise that they can access it for a paste event later. A cut would have to copy everything to the clipboard. Imagine accidentally doing that with a multi-gigabyte video file. That would be an annoyance!
      You have to copy, paste then move the old one to the trash. I suggest just getting used to drag and drop + opt as a modifier to toggle between the default move or copy.

    47. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by mollymoo · · Score: 1
      While there is not one aspect of the apple monitor that is a lot better, every aspect of it is a little better. From the touch "buttons" to the pane of glass seperating the lcd panel from the rest of the world to the sleek metal outer shell.

      I've noticed this about all Apple products. Serious thought has gone into every little bit. The wings that fold out of the iBook power supply so you can wrap the cable, the button and LEDs on that battery so you can check charge without using the computer, everywhere you look there a nice touches which added together make for a far nicer experience. They are expensive, but they are worth it.

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    48. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by Freddles · · Score: 1

      iBooks do not support extended desktop

      That's right, although there is a 'hack' that claims to do this. I've not tried it. You need to step up to a Powerbook if you want dual display as well as video mirroring out of the box.

      Quicktime does not play fullscreen

      You're right. In their wisdom, Apple reserved this feature for Quicktime Pro (a $29 upgrade).

      Not being a switcher, I can't answer your main question directly!

    49. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      "And then there are the Mac users. Annoying and smug..."

      And based on your nitpicking, snide, anal-retentive review, it would seem that it takes one to know one when it comes to detecting "annoying and smug" people.

    50. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by jcr · · Score: 1

      There is no Visio for the Mac.

      Visio is a pale knock-off of a NeXTSTEP app called 'Diagram'. There is a much better app along those lines for Mac OS X, called Omni Graffle.

      -jcr

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    51. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by thogard · · Score: 1

      Why hasn't anyone written an extention to cycle between windows? The way I work doesn't work well with their idea of cycling and the cmd-~ doesn't seem to keep any sort of sane window order. Whne I work, I'll have a set of tasks and thouse tasks will have windows assocated with them, not applications. So I may have x-code, two terminals and a few web windows open for one task and for a second task a word processor and a pdf viewer and another terminal window.

    52. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by CynicTheHedgehog · · Score: 2, Informative

      What I miss most about running Windows is SmartFTP and mIRC. While there are a plethora of graphical FTP and IRC clients for Mac OS X, they all lack something, and it has been my experience that the most usable Mac software is released as demoware, shareware, or strictly commercial software. That in and of itself isn't a bad thing (mIRC is ostensibly shareware), but the Mac stuff is usually crippled, or time-limited, or something to that effect (I don't have a problem paying for software--I'm probably one of the few that registered mIRC--but I don't have a lot of patience for nag screens, bugs, and lack of features. Also, no source or documentation).

      Then there are the games...but I don't really miss those. The ones I would be inclined to play (Doom III, Neverwinter Nights, Worms 3D) have Mac ports (although my lowly G3 won't run them).

      Lastly, my biggest pet peeve is that new versions of Java are almost always 6 months to a year behind the Solaris/Linux/Windows release from Sun. I would really like to start messing with 1.5/5.0, but it won't be out until Tiger is released.

      That's it, really; everything else is gravy. I have Firefox 1.0, Mail.app, iTunes, MPlayer OS X (which is fantastic, btw), Netbeans, Eclipse, Tomcat, Postgres, MySQL, Open Office, SNES 9X, Bittorrent (or Azureus), Gimp, and so on and so forth. I haven't regretted my decision at all since switching 3 years ago.

      (Incidentally, Quicktime will display full-screen if you pay for the pro version ($30). I use MPlayer OS X instead, because it's free, faster, and plays many more formats. There's also VideoLan Client, which is more robust but slower and more resource intensive. I have no idea what is meant by "extended desktop".)

      - Jesse

    53. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Yep I've got one for you. All the keyboard shortcuts in the menus list them with their symbols, not what they are. There is no help menu or file anywhere that matches symbols to keys. So you end up pulling up a keyboard shortcut helpfile, and spending the next ten minutes making sure you can match the symbols to the keys properly.

      Plus, they love to call the command key by several different names...

      All this was just a pointless annoyance coming from Windows, when they could have solved it simply by adding in one damn help file on keyboard shortcuts showing the key and the symbol they use to represent it. Annoying...

      Another one - OS X's in-built CD-writing just can't do multi-session properly. You write multi-session on it, and you can read only on other macs, so it screws up and only shows the most recent files on pcs. It is also goddawful slow compared to CD-burning with Nero on a Windows comp...

      OS X is not super-stable. It crashes as much as my Win98 ever did, but has got more stable over time up to 10.3.6. The early 10.3.x were very unstable. If you have XP, expect the same level of stability.

      The OS is more expensive if you want to update - and they aren't as friendly as Windows when it comes to bundling options. I got my iBook about 3 weeks before they released Garageband. In the US, they allowed people to receive Garageband if they had purchased their system recently, but for me (in New Zealand) it wasn't an option. So it was annoying to see this new program bundled with the OS, that was unavailable to me even though I had 10.3 as well, and had bought it within a month... I was not going to pay even more to get it on top of what I already paid.

      A lot of Open Source software development for OSX is way behind Windows and Linux -eg. Open Office is a prime example.

      So those are most of the annoyances of the top of my head - but I still think it was worth it to get an iBook... but my next desktop system is still going to be a Windows/Linux dual-boot :)

    54. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by Espectr0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I switched to macosx from windows , and yes there is stuff i hate missing:

      -If you use MSN, say good bye to a decent client. No audio or video
      -Macs are generally more expensive, and only come with 256mb ram, unless you get a top of the line model. Macs love ram, so you need lots of it.
      -There is no driver for either my lexmark printer, or my new cannon printer through a windows network. This is the biggest problem i have. Check that your printer is supported in mac, not only through a native driver, but through gimp-print and smb as well (unless you only have one machine)
      -Most linux software will run, check fink.sf.net. But they will use apple's X11, which works, but eats extra ram additional of the apple native server.

    55. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by JamieF · · Score: 1

      A warning about VirtualPC: you'll have problems if an important app that you use all the time or which is performance-intensive is only available for Windows. *nix apps are very commonly ported to Mac OS X, and are pretty easy to get via DarwinPorts or Fink.

      If you need to run (for example) a time sheet app that only works on Windows once a week, VirtualPC is fine. If you need to run IE 6 for a few minutes to check for cross-browser compatibility, or to use some web site, that's fine. But if you think that you're going to be happy using Visual Studio .NET under VirtualPC day in and day out, forget it. If you couldn't stand to use VNC or Remote Desktop Client to get to a local PC server running that app, you'll hate having to deal with that moderate level of UI sluggishness in addition to the huge resource drain of running multiple OSs on the same hardware. Knoppix under VirtualPC shocked me by being really fast and responsive... Windows XP, notsomuch.

      I used to work at a company that develops a Windows Server based web application. I did all my editing and previewing work on a Mac via SAMBA and HTTP, and only used Remote Desktop Client to restart services, run the SQL Server Enterprise Manager, etc. (Windows isn't that much of a pain if you set it up and LEAVE IT ALONE, as opposed to trying to hook up all your fun gadgets and favorite software.) Still, I definitely prefer my new (current) setup which is Java based and runs 100% locally on my PowerBook. (I do have VMWare installed on my Athlon64 Debian box so that I can run IE 6 for browser compatibility testing, though.)

    56. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by indiechild · · Score: 1

      That's very interesting, I am using a 2003 edition iBook G3 800 in Australia and the @ key is in the right place, as is the # key. There is a "delete" key in place of the regular backspace key on IBM keyboards -- so you press Function-delete to get "backspace".

      However, to make things confusing, the "delete" key on my iBook actually functions the same way as a backspace key on my Windows PC :)

      My iBook 12" LCD isn't very good either, but from reports I've heard they have improved things recently in the newer editions.

    57. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by Lord+Flipper · · Score: 1

      QuickTime -->FullScreen = Command-F in QT. [Movie menu]

    58. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by Lord+Flipper · · Score: 1

      OTOH, my cat had fun with my powerbook keyboard and I am going to be out $120 to replace it grey-market and violate my warranty at the same time. You might want to give that a re-think. Unless your warranty isn't worth a $10 difference in grey market vs. Apple Authorized price.

    59. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by Lord+Flipper · · Score: 1

      Actually, I like the Cut/Paste feature on Windows too, especially since the hierarchy is so flat over there. On a Mac, you can have multiple Finder windows open (with 6 external drives here, it's a must to just Command-N to open another directory tree, i.e. 'Finder' window), easily, and you just Command-drag the file to wherever you want it. That's a 'mv' instead of copy/paste.

    60. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, Quicktime definitely does do fullscreen. What doesn't is the free version of Apple's Quicktime player - though for $25 US you get fullscreen and a lot more handy features.

      Actually, it does. The functionality to play movies fullscreen is there, only the menu is disabled for the free version. Use AppleScript to access it.

      on open FileName
      tell application "QuickTime Player"
      activate
      open FileName
      present movie 1
      end tell
      end open

      present movie 1 means fullscreen mode.

    61. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know what I don't get? All those windows users are so dependent on the mouse with all the buttons, I mean it's like windows was designed poorly.

      </sarcasm>
      Not to mention what exactly are people trying to do on a laptop that they cannot afford to use both hands to do a right click? if you are driving and using a laptop, well, you will eventually get what you deserve, Wardriving should be done with 2 people, not only is it fun to know where all the APs are in town, but it should also be a social thing, and yes a second button would destry the simplicity, making a system more complex, by definition makes it less simple.Oh yea and :P~~~
    62. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by eMartin · · Score: 1

      It wasn't the Quicktime Player that won them anything other than a place in the Interface Hall of Shame.

      It was Quicktime itself, which has been around far longer than the player/plug-in that people now know from watching movie trailers online. The reason it has contributed to video/film editing is because of the features and formats it offered to 3rd-party editing and presentation software.

    63. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by unclethursday · · Score: 1
      4)If you need to have all the shiny new software out there, then the mac is not for you. An example is Gmail. It only recently began supporting Safari and there is still no Gmail notifier for OS X (although there are some nifty Gmail widgets out there for Konfabulator).

      I've been using GMail with Safari for months, and never had a problem with it. Sure, I get no notification through the OS, but I haven't given out my GMail account address to many people at all. But, Safari 1.2.x has worked fine with GMail since I got the account.

    64. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by unclethursday · · Score: 1
      Yes, but it is unoptomized, and requires X11 or Darwin to run (these must be downloaded separately after the purchase of a Mac with OS X). Unless they have released a new version of OO.o for Mac OS X, this is the case.

      I use OO.o on my Wintel machine, but I can get along fine with AppleWorks on my iBook (which I use more often than my Wintel machine), and AppleWorks can open Office documents and save documents as Office documents as well, or at least the word processor part can and the spreadsheet part can read Excel files.

    65. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by The+MESMERIC · · Score: 0

      interesting

      hey someone mod the parent up as interesting?
      some sad fukkers removed my mod powers !!

    66. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      check out GmailStatus, works great.

    67. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      An Emmy? Is that the same award they gave to Milli Vanilli? Or is that the one they gave to Micheal Moore? Either way, industry awards are crap and mean nothing.

      --
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    68. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by andrewirwin · · Score: 1

      My major annoyance, which has driven me back to windows, has to do with microsoft products on the macintosh, specifically Office v.X.

      With office on the macintosh, I had problems with most documents I opened - usually one or both of
      - long filename support (moderately long file names are truncated in office; os X and windows have no problems with the long filenames, it's all office's fault)
      - support for windows metafile (wmf) format is terrible on office v.X for the mac - many, many images would be replaced with a big X

      Now I love having vi, I use TeX, I even use open office now and then, but in the collaborative environment I work in, that's not enough. I need to be able to get office files from colleagues and read them, edit them, and send them back. And I just can't.

    69. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well...actually you can use extended desktop on a ibook, with a dirty hack. Dunno if macos will let you do it, but linuxppc definately will.

    70. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by rodik · · Score: 1

      The only app I can say I miss on the mac platform is a decent DC client. I know there's dcgui-qt (now known as Valknut), but it's sooo slow on my machine (Power Mac G4 1 GHz). Neo-modus DC gets me kicked out of most hubs.

      That, the lack of Counterstrike and the general four-month delay before games are ported to the mac are the only things I honestly can say I miss since switching a year and a half ago. Those slight annoyances aside, I've never been happier with how my machine gets out of my way, that it just works. I'll never go back now.

    71. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by ThousandStars · · Score: 1

      That's actually a fine question. When I have 6 Word windows open, I have no good way to get from window 1 to 5 without hitting cmd~ four times. Still, that solution is better, if not as elegant. It's the sort of question that might be better posted at the Ars Mac Forum, which is the best of its kind I've found. If you're having Mac troubles, it's probably the place you're most likely to find help.

    72. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by jx100 · · Score: 1

      http://www.ragingmenace.com/software/sidetrack/

      That's a $15 shareware driver that'll give you your 3-button mouse and a scrollbar on the side.

    73. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by jx100 · · Score: 1
    74. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by jx100 · · Score: 1

      I was actually considering buying one of those. (actually, the drop-in replacement designed *specifically* for Apple Notebooks).. but it is rather expensive. Also, I worry about the lack of tactile feedback a big giant touchpad wil give you. There seem to be some very nice benefits to that unit though; All those gestures.

    75. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by NtroP · · Score: 1
      I've been running OS X since the early beta versions and I'm still stumbling across little things I never knew it could do.

      Imagine my embarrassment when a PC-using friend of mine said the thing he liked about OS X that he wished he had for free on Windows was the "spell-check anywhere" option. I said "huh? What spell-check anywhere option?". He said, just right-click anywhere you can type and select the option to spell-check as you type".

      I'll be damned. As someone who's first language is spelled completely phonetically, I have always been terrible with spelling in english. Now I have instant spell-checking in web-mail (and slashdot) and never have to pop a word into google (my old spell-checker) so that it could say "did you mean...".

      It's little details like that that keep me interested. BTW, I was at WWDC and have a copy of Tiger. It's going to be as big a move as going from 10.0 to 10.3 as far as productivity is concerned (for those who say it's just an incremental upgrade). I'd pay $129.00 for spotlight all by itself.

      --
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    76. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by kuhneng · · Score: 1

      XEmacs is easy to install via fink- "fink install xemacs" and go grab a long lunch while it compiles for 2 hours...

      It not a GUI-native application, so you'll need to run it in X, but it's completely functional. I've been using it for 3 years this way.

    77. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by Lproven · · Score: 1

      Nothing significant.

      The OS X Finder isn't as good or polished as the old MacOS 9 one, but if you've never used that, you won't know. And the column view is very good to have.

      I'd like a navigable tree view, like Explorer.

      In general, I'd like more keyboard controls. I use the keyboard extensively on Windows and Linux+GNOME. In my Mac offline CIX reader, Vienna, which is derived from a Windows app and is so largely keyboard-driven, my screensaver regularly kicks in 'cos I haven't touched my mouse in 15min. I'd like that to be a more widespread problem, ISWYIM.

      I'd like the ability to customise the Dock more, but you can get around that with DragThing and similar apps like Dock-It. Much lost OS9 functionality can be restored with "haxies" from Unsanity.

      In general, I don't miss much. I miss more features from MacOS 9 than from Windows, but MacOS 9 was never stable or reliable enough to be my mainstream OS. OS X is about the most reliable OS I have. I've seen more crashes on Linux, and that's saying something.

      --
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    78. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by danielmaui · · Score: 1

      If you've got a Mac, this AppleScript over at Mac OS X Hints will get you full screen Quicktime movie viewing with the standard version: http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20020 722081156794/

    79. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by thelibrarian · · Score: 1

      There is a GMail notifier program for mac. It sits in your menu bar, and also integrates with Growl if you have it.

      GMailStatus
      http://homepage.mac.com/carsten.guenther/GmailStat us/

    80. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by jamesbrown1000 · · Score: 2, Informative
      Actually, Quicktime definitely does do fullscreen. What doesn't is the free version of Apple's Quicktime player - though for $25 US you get fullscreen and a lot more handy features.


      Here's a handy AppleScript droplet that will give you full-screen QT movies ...

      on open fileName
      tell application "QuickTime Player"
      open fileName
      present movie 1
      end tell
      end open

      Save it as an Application to make it a droplet. Drop your movie on it and ... fullscreen pr0n!
      --
      Mindy: "Well...desserts aren't always right." Homer: "But they're so sweet!"
    81. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by nuggetman · · Score: 1

      Press F9 or F10 to activate expose (for all windows and current app windows, respectively)

      use arrows to navigate to desired window

      press enter

      --
      ...and that's all there is to it.
    82. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by nuggetman · · Score: 1

      So you end up pulling up a keyboard shortcut helpfile, and spending the next ten minutes making sure you can match the symbols to the keys properly.

      Plus, they love to call the command key by several different names...


      The pretzel/clover/apple is the CMD key. The key actually has no text on it, juts a picture of a clover and a picture of an apple.

      The weird "T" looking thing is option

      The up arrow is shift

      The carat is control

      --
      ...and that's all there is to it.
    83. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by MoneyT · · Score: 1

      Actualy, the laptops are rather easy to upgrade. All I did was install a peice of softare and I now have a 5 button trackpad.

      --
      T Money
      World Domination with a plastic spoon since 1984
    84. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by Guy+Harris · · Score: 1
      Yes, but it is unoptomized, and requires X11 or Darwin to run (these must be downloaded separately after the purchase of a Mac with OS X).

      Darwin comes for free with the purchase of a Mac with OS X (it has to - it'd be kind of hard for anything else to run without /mach_kernel, /usr/lib/libc.dylib, and /usr/lib/libSystem.dylib, for example). Presumably you meant something other than "Darwin" there.

    85. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by Guy+Harris · · Score: 1
      Presumably you meant something other than "Darwin" there.

      Such as "XDarwin"?

      X11 comes with OS X Panther; you might have to install it from the CD, though (I forget how I installed it on mine).

    86. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by egarc · · Score: 1

      Have you tried GraphicConverter?

    87. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by superdifficult · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Plus, they love to call the command key by several different names

      Nope, you're confusing us with people that don't use Macs.

      Another one - OS X's in-built CD-writing just can't do multi-session properly. You write multi-session on it, and you can read only on other macs, so it screws up and only shows the most recent files on PCs. It is also goddawful slow compared to CD-burning with Nero on a Windows comp...

      How does it compare to Window's built in CD burning? I imagine that you all use Nero because the Windows CD burning software sucks. On the Mac we use Toast and it is excellent.

      OS X is not super-stable

      That's just crazy. It's rock solid.

      The OS is more expensive if you want to update...

      What does Windows cost again? $299.00 for Professional? what does the Mac OS cost again? $129.00? And the Mac OS plus the cost of a whole new version of iLife (I'm sure Apple NZ would have given you an upgrade price) $178.00? Yeah. That Mac OS is WAAAAY more expensive.

      But your sure nailed it with those keyboard shortcuts. They are really confusing. What? They are...

    88. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by Ford+Prefect · · Score: 2, Funny

      The wings that fold out of the iBook power supply so you can wrap the cable, the button and LEDs on that battery so you can check charge without using the computer, everywhere you look there a nice touches which added together make for a far nicer experience.

      I was really surprised to discover that my father's (awful) Dell laptop has that LEDs-on-battery thing - except its design is ever so slightly broken.

      The only way you can see the LEDs is to remove the battery... :-)

      --
      Tedious Bloggy Stuff - hooray?
    89. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gahhhhh how many people are going to say "Duh! You can hit Command-F in QT!!!!" before they read other comments and realize that you CAN'T!!!!!

      Only Quicktime PRO can do fullscreen without a hack people!!!!

    90. Re:Max OS X is great, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plus OmniGraffle is bundled with new PowerBooks, at least in the UK.

      The biggest gap I see is nothing to open .mdb files with. One of our clients uses these as the backend to their website so we are stuck with VirtualPC to update it.

  15. Re:More Mac pimping by feldsteins · · Score: 0

    ...we've known this all for years. ...isn't this just another Apple-pimping slashvertisement?

    No, it's a book describing the new Panther details of all the cool stuff that you 'already know.' Why so defensive?

    --
    You like your Macintosh better than me, don't you Dave? Dave? Can you hear me Dave?
  16. Re:if by Boson245 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    The open source spirit would be to allow you to see his research and drafts. Open source fits within the realm of a capitalist system.

  17. QuickTime /does/ play fullscreen, actually by Niko. · · Score: 2, Informative

    The free version of QT that comes with the box does not play fullscreen, but the full version ($35US, quicktime.apple.com) plays fullscreen very well, as well as allows you to edit QT content in many ways that the free version doesn't: add/remove tracks, adjust a plethora of attributes (size, aspect ratio, graphics mode, sound levels etc.) For example, I do a fair amount of basic video editing with iMovie, but iMovie won't let you swap the video track left to right, ie. car entering frame left now entering from the right. Full QuickTime does that in two or three clicks, without re-encoding.

    1. Re:QuickTime /does/ play fullscreen, actually by gobbo · · Score: 1
      allows you to edit QT content in many ways that the free version doesn't: add/remove tracks, adjust a plethora of attributes (size, aspect ratio, graphics mode, sound levels etc.) For example, I do a fair amount of basic video editing with iMovie, but iMovie won't let you swap the video track left to right, ie. car entering frame left now entering from the right. Full QuickTime does that in two or three clicks, without re-encoding.

      Quick trick to make a super-quick rough cut of a short sequence: directory with your source files, make a new quicktime, open your files up one by one, cut/paste, save file using dependencies. For those with deadline panic when your editing software just feels bloated and kludgey, or effects are too tempting. Quicktime is much more powerful than even most video editors realize.

      One of the downsides of owning a Mac is poorly ported software. Windows Media is a classic example; it's painful to try and use, so go for VLC instead.

    2. Re:QuickTime /does/ play fullscreen, actually by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only $30 USD, actually.

  18. Couple nitpicks. by BrookHarty · · Score: 1

    HFS+ does have defraged files, it just defrags the FS over time.
    So you cant say it never get defraged, it just knows how to clean up after itself. Thats a big difference than saying it never defragments.

    How could you not go indepth in Resource forks? Thats the main difference between it and a normal BSD Box. Since most applications are GNU they dont care about them, and you have to use special programs to copy apple files, etc. Thats really the only annoying thing about the mac, resource forks (IMHO).. I know in theory its good to have fat binaries and such, with multiple help files, but since I'm an english only OS user, I dont need all the extra fluff.

    And you can boot the system into console mode and treat it like a normal BSD box. I've become a little lazy and stopped using my Linux server and started using fink and applications under OSX. Screen, Irssi, squid, perl, etc, all the same applications and server processes I use daily are all there under OSX.

    Sounds like an OK book, but I don't want to know about *nix side, I'm a unix admin already, I want to know the if's, how's of darwin hitting the metal. I dont need GNU overviews.

    But thats me. I run gentoo linux on x86/ppc/sparc, but the Mac I leave running OSX.

    1. Re:Couple nitpicks. by phillymjs · · Score: 1

      How could you not go indepth in Resource forks?

      Because probably 90-95% of the people who will buy this book will be new to the Mac, and probably don't even have a Classic System Folder on their hard drive (since it no longer comes preinstalled on new machines), much less any legacy files that have resource forks.

      ~Philly

    2. Re:Couple nitpicks. by oudzeeman · · Score: 1

      Because of my job I've had the pleasure of being around several Apple engineers (and sales engineers too) on and off for the last 6 months or so and according to them most of the unix file manipulaiton commands are supposed to preserve resource forks now (this clearly wasn't always the case). I assume more and more will seemlesly deal with the forked files. I'm a recent Linux to OS X convert, so I told them resource forks were the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. The good thing most apps have moved away from 0 byte regular files (with a bunch of shit in the resource fork) to the nice NeXT/OS X plist format to store application preferences.

  19. The most valuable sentence by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 1

    Apparently the book that has all the information about networking, warts and all, hasn't been written yet. This book is as good as it gets, so far.

    Ah. That was the answer to my question. (Where is the rest of the documentation for Open Directory?)

    Thanks.

    --

    There are no trails. There are no trees out here.
    1. Re:The most valuable sentence by dadragon · · Score: 1

      Where is the rest of the documentation for Open Directory?

      <cynic>In the source code?</cynic>

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      God save our Queen, and Heaven bless The Maple Leaf Forever!
  20. Answers by claudebbg · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Concerning the extended desktop on iBooks:
    http://www.rutemoeller.com/mp/ibook/supportlist_e. html
    will do the trick (easy, safe -list of supported machines, clean). Concerning the Quicktime full-screen, previous answers are complete (buy it if you also need editing, trick it, or just use VLC as you perhaps already do on Linux).

    And yes, there are differences between Linux, Windows and MacOsX and that makes some of the possible annoyance.
    If you know Linux well, you'll discover some little changes, like when you switch to FreeBSD or AIX or Solaris. Basically you can (configure; make; make install;) run most of Linux tools. You'll certainly miss the multi-desktop feature (not included but some free/sharewares do the trick) and discover Expose (whaaaou).

    If you know Windows well, you'll find the Finder strange at the beginning, you'll perhaps regret the latest games (situation gets better but slowly), and some advanced P2P/Ripping tools (situation gets better really fast), you'll miss the global inconsistence you got accustomed to and perhaps some keyboard tricks (like calling menus with alt-E), you'll discover new Ms Prices (Office is really expensive on Mac and stealing it is easier but still forbidden), you'll miss the graphical admin (get server tools if you like admin with windows or get some of the freewares which do that well or remember it's Unix and you can do what you want with a terminal). And of course you'll discover "major updates" with "real features" (and "price";-( every 18 months.

    There are plenty of good sides of course but you seem to have heard enough of them for today...

    Just remember the first week is awkward and you have to realize you need to learn new moves. Don't try a small weekend switch and get ready to spend some time at the beginning to make your new /Users (oops, not /home nor /usr) feel good.

    And ask some Mac users about your precise needs and habits, they'll certainly tell you how to find a solution.

    1. Re:Answers by Canuck_TV · · Score: 1

      The ALT-E thing to call a menu, for me, is a big thing. Although I use Windows, I scream around it pretty quick with the keyboard. I'll edit a few things to the timeline in premiere with keyb and hit ALT+F->A to save as, type the filename, and alt-f->n with a new project open faster than the screen can update half the time. The alt-tab addition to OSX is great. This is still missing though... Some of us like GUI with heavy keyboard shortcuts. IMHO, the best of both worlds. Not good for automation like the CLI, but good nonetheless.

    2. Re:Answers by gobbo · · Score: 1
      The ALT-E thing to call a menu, for me, is a big thing.

      Uh... CTRL-F2? What's wrong with that keyboard combination to get full menu access? If you don't like it, you can always change the key in keyboard preferences. If it isn't on, hit ctrl-F1 to toggle it.

      'll edit a few things to the timeline in premiere with keyb and hit ALT+F->A to save as, type the filename, and alt-f->n with a new project

      CMD-SHIFT-S (for save, get it?) is "Save As" in many Mac apps (CMD-S saves in ANY Mac app that needs saving). I prefer pivoting on my thumb to using my pinky for command keys, feels more ergonomic.

      The alt-tab addition to OSX is great

      WTF? the Mac is getting a new keyboard? There's no alt key. Maybe you mean CMD-tab ;-)

      This is still missing though... Some of us like GUI with heavy keyboard shortcuts.

      Easy, turn on full keyboard access in the keyboard control panel! You can tab to nearly any user interface element. I have to say, screaming around with the keyboard, especially through directories (CMD-arrowkeys and the first letters of a name), is pretty slick on a mac. Then add Quicksilver, and blow your mind, for some nearly prescient keyboard control. I only use the mouse to draw/shoot things, or for variety when I'm feeling leisurely, or to use the nice drag and drop that actually works across all apps.

      In the days of classic mac OS, I used KeyQuencer, a really light, really powerful system-wide macro program, and am hoping that Tiger's new automation will bring back some of that one-keystroke-does-half-a-day's-work-in-multiple-p rograms goodness.

    3. Re:Answers by PygmySurfer · · Score: 1

      WTF? the Mac is getting a new keyboard? There's no alt key. Maybe you mean CMD-tab ;-)

      Sure it does.. alt/option key.. between ctrl and command..

    4. Re:Answers by gobbo · · Score: 1

      /me smacks forehead...

      You're right of course, I've just never ever called it that or seen or heard it called that in 20 years of Mac use, it's always simply the option key.

  21. Ported from Windows by green+pizza · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This has been addressed in several interviews with Win Game -> Mac porting houses. It seems that while raw OpenGL performance is about the same between a Mac and a similar PC, the differences come in the game design / optimization and other libraries used. Many coding decisions made in the original game were done with the Windows / x86 crowd in mind. Even many PC "OpenGL" games still use other DirectX libraries for sound, user I/O, and other tasks. Even some very basic considerations, such as data file read-in, is done in little endian. Differences like this are almost nill in a small academic test case, but are significant in a complex game. Virtual machines, such as those used for AI in games like Quake3 are also optimized for x86.

    For an example of a "pretty good" port, try the latest Mac build of UT2004. It has a few more tweaks and makes uses of a newer version of OpenAL. It's still slower than the native Windows version, but it's not too bad.

  22. Right tool for the job... by green+pizza · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I have personal biases, and I think we all do. But the fact remains, the best choice is to use the right tool for the job.

    Mac diehards will flame me, but a Mac is not always the best tool.

    If you live or work in a MS world, then no amount of utilities and features will ever make your Mac fit perfectly. However, if you only have to grab mail and swap calendar data from an exchange server and open/edit files from Office, then perhaps a Mac will be OK. If you need to access SMB shares and printers, Mac OS X should work fine out of the box. If your office has a screwy setup then you might need to use Dave. Then again, it might also be configured in such a way that your Mac may never be able to connect. A Mac isn't a Windows PC, so there's no guarantee.

    If you need to work on a "pure" Unix system, you should be OK. It's POSIX compliant and has pretty much every OS feature found on FreeBSD (with some bits from OpenBSD) though implementation may be different.

    If you need to use a Windows-only application, you could probably use Virtual PC, but performance will suck. Badly. Even on an overclocked 9 GHz G7.

    You need to figure out what exactly your needs are and pick the right hardware and software for the job. I have friends and coworkers that use 8-year-old Silicon Graphics (SGI) workstations for both work and home use with great success!! I have friends who are highly talented software engineers that use nothing but Wnidows. I've had a college professor who does GIS R&D on a second generation iMac. There are all types.

    As for me, these days I develop software for internal company use. My platform of choice is Linux, though I still run a few Solaris servers for various projects. I also have a company-issue ThinkPad running Win2K for the corp stuff, but it gets little use. At home I have a variety of machines... new, old, and ancient. Win, Mac, Linux, Unix, Prodos. :) The only Mac I use these days is my PowerBook G4 I use for most of my personal web surfing, personal email, digital photography, digital home videos, and other light duty experimenting. It works like a charm and I love it. But I also love my other toys, and it's a PC and a PS2 that I play my games on. I don't bother running anything other than Enigmo, SimCity 4, and UT2004 on the PowerBook.

    1. Re:Right tool for the job... by kiddailey · · Score: 1


      I'm a Mac die-hard (and a Windows die hard at the same time, go figure) and I wouldn't flame you at all - your answer is the exact answer I give everyone that asks me "Should I get a Mac or PC?"

      Bravo!

    2. Re:Right tool for the job... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not all Mac diehards are nutty cultists. I'm a Mac diehard (the stereotypical creative professional Mac user), but I tell people to determine software needs first and hardware needs based on that. If they are looking for a game machine, I don't even bring up the Mac.

  23. Not all CompUSAs suffer... by kiddailey · · Score: 1


    For the record, not all CompUSAs suffer this limitation. My local chain has a good sized Mac section right at the front of the store with a lot more than just RAM upgrades available. And keep in mind that a lot of off-the-shelf PC stuff (like internal HDs and peripherals) will work fine with the Mac and OS X.

  24. iBooks can span, with a wee OF hack... by jameslore · · Score: 1
    Well, it'd be nice to have native spanning, but there is an alternative:


    Screen Spanning Doctor.



    Bless it. Works beautifully on my iBook. I do however miss:


    • Halflife 2
    • The ability to turn off the laptop screen and use merely the external monitor
    • Relatime dolby from my SoundStorm


    But those are the full sum of my regrets after moving from a Athlon 2800+/nForce 2 to an iBook. The OS easily makes up for the relatively slow hardware :-)



    1. Re:iBooks can span, with a wee OF hack... by Lord+Flipper · · Score: 2, Informative

      I do however miss:...The ability to turn off the laptop screen and use merely the external monitor The only thing you need is an external keyboard for that. Put the laptop in "Sleep" mode ['blue' Apple menu], close the lid on the 'book, press any key on external keyboard... there's your external-monitor-only.

    2. Re:iBooks can span, with a wee OF hack... by pyrros · · Score: 1

      Would you really like to run HL2 on a poor G4 with a cheap 32MB ATI card ?

    3. Re:iBooks can span, with a wee OF hack... by pyrros · · Score: 1

      Nope, this only works with powebooks.

      There is a workaround: 'fooling' the magnet on the lid.

    4. Re:iBooks can span, with a wee OF hack... by Lord+Flipper · · Score: 1

      wow, i had a bad day on this topic, first i mentioned the Command-key for QuickTime full-screen, and only realized later that i've been on Pro forever, and forgot about the screen sizing bit, and now this, the no clamshell-external monitor bit on iBooks... heheh, what next? don't answer, i'll think of something :=)

  25. Take that Apple??? by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 1
    You can even obliterate data by writing over it eight times with random data
    Probably 'cos the NSA can still read data after 8 wipes and asked Apple to limit it at eight.
    --
    Doesn't it make you feel good to know that our freedoms are protected by politicans, lawyers and journalists.
    1. Re:Take that Apple??? by Mikito · · Score: 2, Informative

      The srm command, without any flags, is supposed to overwrite a file 35 times.

      --
      Anakin Simpson: If you're not with me, then you're my enemy--ooh, donuts!
    2. Re:Take that Apple??? by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 1

      srm? Hmmm...I hope the MacOS X has been ported correctly so that it wipes the metadata as well as the file itself. HFS files can contain a lot of interesting metadata.

      --
      Doesn't it make you feel good to know that our freedoms are protected by politicans, lawyers and journalists.
  26. Quicksilver. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Quicksilver. Quicksilver. Quicksilver.

    htttp://www.blacktree.com

    Quicksilver. Quicksilver, and of course, Quicksilver.

  27. Something I was curious about.. by realdpk · · Score: 1

    I've seen this book in stores and I'm curious, why is the cover of a german shepard? Instead of, oh I dunno, maybe, a big cat?

    1. Re:Something I was curious about.. by Canberra+Bob · · Score: 1

      Because German Shepherds make great pets, whie big cats dont, just like OS X? I dunno...only thing I could come up with. Didnt make much sense to me either, but I quite liked their decision :)

  28. My two cents on OS X by Khuffie · · Score: 0, Troll
    It seems that OS X has two people in mind: complete idiots who go "ooh! this is flashy!", ie people who don't know how to use computers and just use the defaults, even though the interface is horribly inefficient in terms of workflow (as 'nice' as the Dock is, it's no way near as intuitive or useful as the taskbar).

    On the other hand are basically Linux geeks who know how to do things with Linux/terminal and like to fiddle with Linux apps and all that jazz.

    For the 'medium-pro' power user, people who don't know how to program or use Linux, they're completely lost. I fall into this category: I can fiddle around things to my hearts content with Windows, stuff that I merely can't do on a Mac unless I'm a Linux expert...

    Oh, and I write this just after Disk Utility on the Mac deleted my whole hard-drive when I specifically told it to 'erase' one of the partitions. Thank God it was empty.

    1. Re:My two cents on OS X by Khuffie · · Score: 1

      Wow. I'd like whoever modded this as a troll to explain to me how the hell I was trolling. I'm giving my two cents on my experience with my Powerbook. If that's trolling, then troll me right up again.

    2. Re:My two cents on OS X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In other words, you have to be computer illeterate or a computer god to use a Mac.

      If your just pretending to know something like 95% of the IT industry your caught with your pants down.

    3. Re:My two cents on OS X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because your only explanation of why OS X is for people who don't know how to use computers is that the computer did exactly what you told it to. You pretty clearly fit into the clueless user group.

  29. Sorry classic Mac users. Mac OS is ours now. by Sevn · · Score: 3, Interesting

    And I truly mean it. There has been so much influence from the FOSS, OSS, OSC, CIAFBINAACPHPGPG13, etc and so many features have been added that cater to my kind of work that it's not surprise that the powerbook count has been steadily rising at meetings and conferences. We had one guy left in our department that stubbornly refused to stop developing perl on his winXP laptop. We let him borrow a 12" powerbook for the weekend and he still has it. His winXP laptop is a place to sit one of those obnoxiously large-bottomed coffee pot/cups. XCode is fun stuff to play with. It was so fun we've ended up using Mac OS X for some small kiosk based products. So far we've purchased 5 Xserve RAID's for storage when we need something cheap and autonomous. They've been cheap as sin and rock solid reliable. Ich bein Impressed! (lame sealab reference) We probably aren't going to be using it for servers anytime soon. We have a pretty entrenched RHES 3.0 install and have just started to see the light at the end of the tunnel with the package management hell that naturally arises when you have UTF8 compatibility issues with Perl, a need for a version of aspell that isn't 3 fucking years old, or the ability to make a ton of custom rpm's for various things (ldap integration, sendmail customizations, etc) and not cause dependancy breakage hell.

    --
    For every annoying gentoo user, are three even more annoying anti-gentoo crybabies. Take Yosh from #Gimp for example.
    1. Re:Sorry classic Mac users. Mac OS is ours now. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's the greatest con since Ghengis!

    2. Re:Sorry classic Mac users. Mac OS is ours now. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mac OS is still ours. Difference is, so are you now :)

  30. 3 days ago by adaminnj · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The day before Thanksgiving I bought my first Mac (a 12in Ibook 1.2 Gig, and I talked the salesperson out of a bag and an extra 256Megs of Ram)

    I for one will probably not be buying this book until I need it. Thus far I have been able to install everything I need to run my Linux Apps, and have loaded Gtk2 and Gkrellm and got them running without a hitch with Fink.

    It took me about 6 hours of messing around with this laptop and saying to myself "I Hate Mac OSX-nix why am I doing this to myself" untill I had some kind of breakthrough, and I'm feeling much more comfortable; don't get me wrong, I love Linux and KDE (just MHO) but if this is as stable as I'm told since all I do with a laptop is check Email, web, Light linux admin and development, this laptop is nice with great battery life and light.

    I am glad that this book is available, even if there is another pussycat in the wings. I don't think I will be upgrading right away, and good resources can be hard to come by.

    I wish Safari had a web spellcheck.

    freetradecampus.com

    --
    I'd Tell you all my secrets but I lie about my past
    1. Re:3 days ago by jdwest · · Score: 2, Informative

      All Cocoa apps (e.g. Safari) have a spell check option. Edit->Spelling->Spelling Or Edit->Spelling->Check Spelling Or Edit->Spelling->Check Spelling as You Type

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      Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet ...
    2. Re:3 days ago by Thu25245 · · Score: 1

      I wish Safari had a web spellcheck.

      Edit > Spelling > Check Spelling As You Type

    3. Re:3 days ago by adaminnj · · Score: 1

      Thank you both!

      --
      I'd Tell you all my secrets but I lie about my past
    4. Re:3 days ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      keys: Apple (command) Shift : (colon) brings up spell check in most apps

    5. Re:3 days ago by adaminnj · · Score: 1

      Maybe I should buy this book sooner than late

      Thanks to all for the guidance

      Spellchecked in Safari:)

      --
      I'd Tell you all my secrets but I lie about my past
    6. Re:3 days ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wish Safari had a web spellcheck.

      I use google. Its a web search AND a spell check... Two great treats in one!

  31. "Rock Solid" by skinfitz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Anyone who buys into the OSX being "rock solid" obviously never ran an OSX server with over 100 clients. Take NetBoot for example - great system when it works, but has a tendency to simply stop working for seemingly no reason whatsoever.

    If you want examples visit the Apple support discussions and look under OSX Server.

    OSX Server is definitely a feminine OS. It does what it wants when it wants with no reason or accountability. You just have to accept whatever it decides to do and attempt to work around it.

    1. Re:"Rock Solid" by skinfitz · · Score: 1

      I put money on that whoever modded this down hasn't even installed OSX Server let alone run it.

    2. Re:"Rock Solid" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe they didn't appreciate your slam against women?

    3. Re:"Rock Solid" by lungbutter · · Score: 1

      Just for the record we have a "Rock Solid" installation of OS X Server...been running non-stop without a hint of trouble since 10.1 (that's 3 years now!). Only time it ever needs a re-boot is after a 10.x.y system software update which come from Apple roughly every month or two. And though we aren't first adopters of those updates we do try to keep it current. We aren't using it for netboot as you have but it is handling all the file sharing, e-mail, http, LDAP/Open Directory, DNS, & Firewall...for roughly 20 users...

    4. Re:"Rock Solid" by belgar · · Score: 1

      I put money on that whoever modded it down thinks it's misogynist.

      --
      What does it mean to wake out of a dream
      and be wearing someone else's shorts?
      BNL, Born on a Pirate Ship (1998)
    5. Re:"Rock Solid" by skinfitz · · Score: 1

      ...I have to point out here that there is a difference between "feminine" and "female" along with a difference between "masculine" and "male".

      I know many masculine women and many feminine men. The feminine mind set is as I described. I was not directing anything at women in particular.

    6. Re:"Rock Solid" by skinfitz · · Score: 1

      For 20 users I'm sure it works fine. Try it in an environment with 100 or more. Are you using network home directories? How long do your logins take out of interest?

  32. Stock is 512 by copponex · · Score: 1

    My siblings are correct - I've got 512MB main memory, and 128M of video memory.

  33. Usability issue by Thu25245 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is an HCI issue. "Cut" by itself is a destructive operation. Apple considers destructive operations on file system objects to be a Bad Thing, since it would be too easy for a novice user to remove a file this way. Remember, the Mac UI is supposed to be safe before powerful. You are, of course, free to disagree.

    1. Re:Usability issue by geoffspear · · Score: 1

      Unless, of course, you happen to be using a brain dead Microsoft application like Excel (on Windows, anyway; I'd never sully my Mac by installing MS software), where Cut isn't destructive until after you Paste. I'm not sure if Windows Explorer uses the same Cut paradigm; if I want to move a file, I drag it where I want it instead of cutting it and pasting it.

      --
      Don't blame me; I'm never given mod points.
  34. The "lag" time by copponex · · Score: 1

    It's got something to do with the way I use computers, I guess. I'm a little bit ADD and switching between windows, scrolling (*especially* with a mouse wheel), opening new windows, and typing in general just seem more responsive on my x86 box, in XP and in Fedora (and FreeBSD). And no, I'm not one of the gentoo zealots bent on getting 1% performance boosts for three hours worth of work. I can live with a few trade-offs for convenience.

    It might break down to just learning key combinations. I've turned on the "full keyboard access" since I wasn't raised on a mouse and a button, but I can't alt-tab between windows in the same program. A lot of the web buttons won't fire off when I hit enter, even though I'm using firefox on both OSs. I have no delete key. In half of the programs, trying to highlights lines of work with Shift+Command+Left/Right doesn't happen. It's the little things like having a scroll section on my trackpad that I miss.

    I'm just really disappointed, I think, that the hardware feels so right, but the OS is the part that's too cushy. It holds my hand when I don't want it to.

    1. Re:The "lag" time by PygmySurfer · · Score: 1

      but I can't alt-tab between windows in the same program.

      That's because it'sALT-~ to switch between windows in the same app, and ALT-TAB to switch between applications.

    2. Re:The "lag" time by Da+Penguin · · Score: 1

      By all means, get: SideTrack
      It is a driver for the trackpad which allows it to do all sorts of cool things (scroll wheel, tapping corners, etc). I have been using it for months and could not be without it.

    3. Re:The "lag" time by unclethursday · · Score: 1

      Barring that, he can also hit F10 (standard button) for Exposé to show him all open windows in the current app (and then can then just TAB through the apps) and choose the window he wants immediately.

    4. Re:The "lag" time by BigBir3d · · Score: 1

      alt-tab between windows in same program on os x is alt-tilde (no shift button - i don't know the name of the ` character).

      you can highlight a line of work with triple-click anywhere in the line. not always convenient, but it does work.

      scroll section on a track pad is here.

      there is a lot of stufff out there, it just takes time to find it all. keep asking questions, and you will get some surprising answers.

    5. Re:The "lag" time by klez23 · · Score: 1

      I have no delete key.

      Ctrl-d works in any cocoa app for forward-delete. Many other emacs/bash editing keystrokes also work: ctrl-a/e for home/end; ctrl-k to clear to end of line; ctrl-y to paste what you just cut (which is separate from the OSX clipboard, by the way); ctrl-b/f/p/n for left/right/up/down, etc.

    6. Re:The "lag" time by nuggetman · · Score: 3, Informative

      I can't alt-tab between windows in the same program

      switch programs: ALT+TAB
      switch windows w/in a program: ALT+~
      show all windows: F9
      show current app windows: F10

      I have no delete key.

      on a mac laptop, pressing Fn+DELETE (the key typically called backspace on a PC that is labeled delete on a mac) will delete the characters in front of the cursor, similar to pressing DEL on a pc

      It's the little things like having a scroll section on my trackpad that I miss.

      http://gnufoo.org/ucontrol/ucontrol.html
      http:/ /www.ragingmenace.com/software/sidetrack/

      --
      ...and that's all there is to it.
  35. Linux & OS X Differences by kurt555gs · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have Linux servers, (SuSE RH, Debian) but I prefer Macs for workstations.

    I can use Apple X11 and do the ssh -X -l root user@domain.com to work on the Linux boxen while I am inside at lan speed, and I have found NX ( http://www.nomachine.com ) for everywhere else.

    I like the OS X user interface more than I do Linux though, and I love my PowerBook.

    OS X still is close enough that I can scp -r user@domain:/stuff/ /Users/home/me unlike using a windows lappy.

    When friends of mine as if OS X is similar to linux on the comand line I just tell them.

    "It's like going to a Korean massage parlor and getting a Chinese girl. Most woul'nt know the difference"

    In any case, OS X is where I choose to spend my time .... I cant wait for Tiger

    Cheers

    --
    * Carthago Delenda Est *
    1. Re:Linux & OS X Differences by Nixoloco · · Score: 1


      OS X still is close enough that I can scp -r user@domain:/stuff/ /Users/home/me unlike using a windows lappy.

      Install Cygwin and you can do this and much more on windows very easily.

    2. Re:Linux & OS X Differences by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mac = Gay.
      -- Mikonos

  36. Well... by copponex · · Score: 1

    Thank you very much.

  37. Dell monitor vs. Apple Cinema Display by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At work I have a dual 1.8 G5 with two monitors, the main one an Apple Cinema Display 23" and the other a top of the line Dell 20".

    You may have some stats to back up your claim of the Dell monitor's superiority, but in practice there is no comparison. All color-critical work I do is on the Cinema Display, the Dell is only for the extra real estate needed to hold all the Photoshop, Illustrator, Flash etc. menus.

    Not that the Dell is a bad monitor--it's perfectly OK for normal use--but the Apple monitor is for real work and if you saw the two of them side by side it would be hard for you or anyone to disagree.

    1. Re:Dell monitor vs. Apple Cinema Display by aldoman · · Score: 1

      Have you colour calibrated both (with a 'pro' level calibration tool)? If you haven't, it's ridiculous to say that either is worse on colours - they are the exact same panel make, just the Dell is a higher quality one. Don't believe Apple with their 'we get the best ones' BS.

  38. games by The+MESMERIC · · Score: 0

    there is Vendetta Online - runs on a Mac .. but dunno if you will like it.

    Shame Legends doesn't run on a Mac - it runs on FreeBSD and Linux though. A port shouldn't be too much trouble to write - says , pretty clueless about porting stuff :)

  39. Annoyances by netzwerg · · Score: 1

    Of course, there are. But they are mostly minor annoyances and few compared to linux/windows. Here are some: - No support for graphic tablets in GIMP (at least I couldn't figure it out) - The Finder doesn't have a 'cut' action, only copy & paste. - It's sometimes hard to remove packges which were installed using an installer application - The Finder hangs for a couple of seconds when trying to preview an avi which it can't play (But I'm shure you can change this) - OS Upgrades are expensive if you're used to linux - no native GTK port, only the X11 one These are just some random examples. There are many more, but IMO it's still the least annoying OS.

  40. Some misplaced optimism... by MouseR · · Score: 1, Informative

    Apple's market share has been steadily increasing

    Uh... hrm.. maybe not.

    More machines are being sold (provided Apple delivers themmm but that's another story). But in terms of market share, it's gone down drasticaly recently (it's overing just around 2% from 4% five years ago).

    This means that the number of PC unis being sold (Dell, Gateway etc) has risen more than Apple.

    There are more Mac users. But the market share hasn't increased.

  41. mnb Re:Tiger is just around the corner... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    yeah your right


    Since you started this nitpicking of other people's word choice...

    It's you're.
    as in
    "yeah you are right"
    1. Re:mnb Re:Tiger is just around the corner... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      yeah your right

      Since you started this nitpicking of other people's word choice...

      It's you're.
      as in
      "yeah you are right"

      Perhaps he meant that it was your right to point out the distinction...
  42. mnb Re:Tiger is just around the corner... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Perhaps he meant that it was your right to point out the distinction...


    Should not he have said then:
    "yeah, it's your right"
    ?
  43. Apple's market share is declining by Branka96 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The claim that "Since the iMac, Apple's market share has been steadily increasing, ..." is simply false.
    In fiscal 1999, the first full year after the introduction of the iMac, Apple had sales of 3.5 millions computers. In fiscal 2004 they sold 3.3 millions computers. So, in terms of absolute numbers they are down. In terms of market share they are down a lot.

    1. Re:Apple's market share is declining by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In terms of market share they are down a lot.

      That is true, if you are counting market share by sales. If you are counting the number of machines owned and in use, well, that number is not so easy to calculate. Four years ago I bought two towers, a PC and a mac. The mac is currently my web server/PVR/MP3 server/DVD player/sometimes extra gaming box. The PC is, well it doesn't work anymore and even if it did, it would not be good for much aside from a dumb terminal. Your method of counting does not include either machine, even though I still buy new hardware and software for one of them. I don't see many estimates that account for the number of years a machines is usable, nor for may estimates that include the amount of use a machine gets. How many cheap PCs are purchased for someone, but are only powered on three times and then sit in a closet or under a desk while grandma uses her olde fashioned typewriter?

      If you define market share by number of sales, compared to total sales, then you are correct. If you want meaningful statistics on what percentage of machines being used are Macs, well, those numbers are not really available. I can tell you anecdotally, however, among computing professionals, they are way, way up.

  44. Re: Mac OS X (Macs Have Endemic Monitor Problems) by Myopic · · Score: 1

    i'll tell you why: hardware. despite its reputation for industry-leading quality hardware, i have had an incredible string of bad luck with my laptops.

    originally i bought an iBook, but in 29 days the monitor pooped out in a hailstorm of static (strange, but apparently not uncommon). they replaced the 'book (under 30 days is considered DOA) with a new iBook, which also pooped out in the exact same way in exactly 29 days.

    i should have cut my losses right then and demanded my money back, but i allowed them to give me a PowerBook trade-up instead. this would have been great except that the PowerBook had the dreaded Bright Spots on the monitor. as a computer professional, i had to wait a while before i could give up my computer long enough to get it fixed, but i did eventually do that.

    so at that point i would have had a PowerBook for the price of an iBook, except that the repair technician didn't quite do his job right: the monitor didn't quite close down and latch properly. also, every now and then the monitor would go dark. i mean, the image would still display on the screen but there was no brightness -- i think the power supply to the florescent tube light was failing, possibly because the technician's poor work left a bad signal connection at the hinge. it would always come back on again when i closed the case and reopened it, though, so i didn't worry about it.

    i didn't worry about it, that is, until last week when the screen went dark and wouldn't come back on after a power cycle.

    so let me recap: the first iBook's screen, the second iBook's screen, the PowerBook's first screen, AND the PowerBook's second screen all failed on me. i bought the first iBook about twenty months ago. on Monday my machine will go into the shop (and of course i'll be paying cash for this because it's out of warranty) and i will try my fifth laptop monitor.

    if OS X weren't by far the best operating system software available on the planet earth, i would not even consider again purchasing Apple hardware (and i'm a life-long Mac man and zealot). this was my third Apple hardware purchase (I had an LC III and an iMac) and i would love nothing more than to make it my last. i have arrived at the end of my patience with respect to Apple hardware. if there are any more problems with this computer, i will abandon the Mac platform (with my next laptop purchase) in favor of commodity hardware and free software. i'd rather not do that, though, because OS X really is that much better than anything else i've ever used. really.

  45. iBooks DO (sort of) support extended desktop by superdifficult · · Score: 1

    Almost all iBooks can be made to run 2 monitors: http://www.rutemoeller.com/mp/ibook/ibook_e.html

  46. Free Office solution: Neo/J by VValdo · · Score: 1

    Office is really expensive on Mac and stealing it is easier but still forbidden

    Umm, have you tried NeoOffice/J? It's awesome. Be sure to d/l the latest patch as well.

    W

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    This is my SIG. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
  47. a few more to fill in the gaps . . . by bodrell · · Score: 1
    Many of these have been mentioned, but not necessarily in the detail that might have helped me when I was making a switching decision.

    Inability to tab between buttons
    (i.e., Save vs, Don't Save vs. Cancel) This is a specific case of keyboard accessibility problems, but in general I can do what I want via keyboard. Expose is awesome for switching windows, though I usually do use my mouse for that. My mouse is a Logitech with scrollwheel, I might add. I wish the builtin mouse on this Powerbook had a second button.

    More shareware, less freeware
    But the shareware is often pretty awesome stuff. AudioHijack is one I actually paid for ($32 for the Pro edition). Amadeus (sound editor, much like SoundForge etc.) is one I may purchase in the future. Another side effect of this is that I've had to teach myself some rudimentary shell scripting to do certain tasks. Like using YoSucker! (perl-based, I think?) to download Yahoo! mail messages. Just getting Perl working properly familiarized me with using CPAN's interactive shell to get modules.

    MS Office Incompatibilities
    Two in particular annoy me: recipe files I received in a Windows .doc format garbled the fractional characters (1/2, 1/4). And Word for Mac occasionally freaks out and loses all my menu preferences, or forgets how to properly open documents so that there is gibberish spewn in between coherent text. Often this goes away if I close Office and reopen it again.

    UNIX inconsistencies
    In many ways, the Darwin underbelly is almost exactly like FreeBSD, but certain differences are invisible until after you mess something up. One example: adding a user from the CLI doesn't work right. I tried to do that remotely once, but the permissions were screwed up somehow and I had to delete the account and add it from the GUI when I got home. Certain utilities that are usually installed on shell accounts I've had are absent. I just installed lynx. The "talk" program is buggy or broken. Other programs will not install properly unless you use the -no-cpp-precomp flag. I shouldn't have to know that, because a config file should detect OS X and add the flag, but a lot of developers forget about OS X. Certain Windows FTP programs (Filezilla?) have trouble dealing with the OS X filesystem.

    No good free text editor
    That is, until SubEthaEdit, which I've been using as of very recently, and enjoy. BBEditLite had a horrible bug where if more than one window was open, the "Save" and "Close" feature might indiscriminately close the wrong window, without (!!!) saving temporary data. And the BBEdit folks never fixed the freeware version, though I hear TextWrangler is nice (see above comment about shareware on Mac). Until Panther, X11 was a messy and unpredictable install, so emacs wasn't a real option. From the CLI, pico is functional but the cursor doesn't change position with a mouse click. I have to have that feature in a text editor. For me, vi is not even thinkable.

    The Notorious RAM Issue
    I have one point to add to the discussion on this topic: There are two slots for RAM in my laptop. Apple RAM is overpriced, but if I wanted 1GB total RAM, I'd still have to get 512MB RAM from Apple. The other option would have been getting 256MB RAM, then selling that on eBay and getting two 512MB sticks. I don't have time for that. And you can't buy a laptop with no RAM.

    That's all I got.

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