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Skype + Kazaa = ?
An anonymous reader writes "Kazaa has now embedded Skype in their v3.0 download." This isn't a surprising pairing, and it adds millions of VoIP users to the network ... the article also notes that this might bring out the spammers as well.
and Skype is..?
..so how long before a speak recognition engine comes out which can take your input in voice and search for the song?
Isn't this the kind of thig MS got in trouble for? They are using their monopoly in file-sharing(OS in MS case) to rule out other competition in VOIP (Browsers in MS case)
I'll be able to get calls from random strangers asking for songs? I guess I could sing them a few bars.
General FAQ link
Spyzaa!
People using Kazaa in most cases would just leave Kazaa running in background and not bother using the messaging function. If they really want to chat to his peers, those DLers probably already know IRC which is in most cases, IRC is faster. Not to mention VoIP will compete for bandwidth from local computer, making both program slower.
Beep....
You: "Hang on, ive got another call"
You: Click "Hello?"
Caller: "Hello, this is the RIAA, stop singing happy birthday to your grandson on the other side of the world."
liqbase
No, Skype + Kazaa = anyone on Earth with a net connection being able to ring you up to say YUO FAIL IT!!
This is a good thing.
.. why is the bomb makin illegal?
Let's please have legitimate uses for P2P so that the greedy fuckers at RIAA and MPAA can't run around trying to ban P2P on the basis that it only has detrimental uses.
Imagine if cooking or hunting wasnt invented, knives would have been banned cause it would only be used for killing people.
Think about it
Ridiculous but true.
I want to delete my account but Slashdot doesn't allow it.
This looks like a win-win for both. Kazaa get the respectability it seeks and Skype get the huge customer base of Kazaa.
Especially as recently Dutch Supreme Court ruled Kazaa legal
so skype are now bundling their product with a spyware brimming p2p application that costs more in technical support to remove it and the damage it does than the PC is worth ?
Or is it possible to "virtually" listen to your PC/house exploiting this ?.
... and I don't use Kazaa (firewalls) , what's the point really ?...
:)
Btw, I like Skype
Mmm.. better get a tinfoil hat
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur
Skype have been working quite hard to distance themselves from their Kazaa roots. Even if the their product has been great, many people have been wondering if they inluded spyware into the Skype installation, just like Kazaa. And now this!
Note: I'm a happy Skype user myself, but I can see that this might lead to their reputation taking a plunge.
I guess it makes it into more of a friends network. In the end the RIAA is going to have to sue real friends who swap CDs, send music over their IM file-transfer and listen to eachothers streams. Hows it going to look the next time they sue someone who's been sharing songs with his sister on Kazaa?
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this is how they can avoid copyright problems, instead of people downloading music from each other - they just call and sing it to one another!
Business Voyeur
I thought everyone had switched by now.
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We don't say "fark" around these parts, mate.
How about the fact that Kazaa includes spyware like mad? How much you want to bet that there'll be speech-recognition software (a la that in OS 9) that picks up on keywords in calls and uses Kazaa's adware to create popups based on it?
Striking fear in the authors of godawful fanfiction, I am here, appearing in darkness, Tuxedo Jack!
How old are you? 12 years old? GO AWYAY!
sherman or some shit
Fark.com sells their editorial, and the loyalty of their uses.
One really pissed off telecom industry. Oops.
Sorry, my karma just ran over your dogma.
eh no im not 12 Im older....
why are you angrey I havent done anything.?? i can be at slashdot you cant stope me. haha louser
Why have a troll list at all .. why not just iterate through the whole set of numbers or groups if that can be defined.
I really, really hope english isn't your first language.
Well , they arent the same company.
The CEO of Skype , Niklas Zennstrom is a co-founder of Kazaa , but the Kazaa creators licensed it to Sherman Networks after it ran into legal troubles.
Even the article points this out.
Wait a minute... You mean I can actually combine spyware, viruses AND receiving phone calls from total strangers? Wow!
Join the anonymous, help develop the network: http://www.i2p2.de
who cares about Kazaa. This spy software anyway with a bunch of ads. --- http://babecast.org
Until they stop dissing SIP and play nice in the sandbox with the rest of the world, kids are all they'll get.
hype (the comment halfway down the page sums it up nicely.)
So I get a P2P client with more spyware than a warez site, and now they shove a voip client in it - will they also generate audio ads?
I don't understand why Kazaa is still being used when there are so many other viable P2P clients out there that won't harm your PC.
Nooo, here is the cool feature:
:-p
I don't know the name of the song, but it goes like this:
La la laaa de da daa de doo doo de dum..
I was just out at Skype's website (no, I didn't DL their software). They talk a lot about being able to make phone calls but there isn't hardly any mention about being able to get phone calls from a POTS style phone. Is it possible?
When you subscribe to Skype do you get a telephone number?
Can you call Skype from a POTS connected phone and make a call?
Does Skype have a call forwarding service?
Does anybody know of a IP service that allows all of these services?
So the owners of Skype look for a gigantic pre-existing user base, and they turn to Kazaa. This is almost perfect proof that stability, virus, and spyware programs have very little to do with Windows itself.
Kazaa is the worst possible program to run on a PC. First, the program itself is unstable. Secondly, the program includes spyware. And finally (though there probably exist a few more problems), downloading files from unknown sources is a perfect way to get infected by a virus, trojan horse, etc...
Now, being bundled with Kazaa, Skype loses massive credibility in my book, and virtually locks itself out of any business environment. If the company is willing to give up a huge business market share that takes innovation, stability, and a good business plan to earn, they've basically shown that among household users, Kazaa has enough market share to give up on the business sector. If Kazaa's deployment is so widespread, then all of the problems related to Kazaa also must be as wide spread. So, a huge proportion of the problems that people complain about with Windows are a direct result of their own greed, not with windows itself.
Isn't it funny how "cheaters never prosper" applies to every aspect of life?
...still use Kazaa. Especially less technically experienced ones because they find the other programs too complicated (and in most cases don't even know what this "spyware" is that they're all talking about)
...it decides to bin its proprietary protocol and adopt SIP.
Will VOIP have any bandwidth left to use when there's also Kazaa and spyware traffic on the line?
My sister and I were just talking about this in the car yesterday. She asked if I had a song on my iPod, and I said, "no, but let me order it real quick" as I spoke the name of the song into the iPod. I wonder how long it will take for this type of thing to come around
Skype + Kazaa = profit!!!
Why shouldn't we be in favor of copyright infringement? It isn't clearly a crime, but legally. Not morally though. The owners of the guaranteed word the rights author of material often they suffer the "harm" ; and loss" "economic; to result to copy illegal. As the majority of the arguments propose by enthusiasts of copyright, it holds little water - for several reasons: The complaint is most of the time vague , presupposes that one person copying differently would have bought a copy of editor. Is from time to time true, but more often false; and when it is false, the claimed loss does not occur. The complaint is partially fallacious because the "loss" of word; suggest events in very different matter -- events in which something they have is carried away. For example, if the actions of bookstore's of the books were burned, or if in the register obtained torn, which would be really "loss." ; We generally agree is erroneous to make these things with copies. But when your friend avoids the need to buy a copy duun delivers, the bookshop and editor do not lose anything they had. More suitable description would be than the bookshop and l editor obtains less income than they could have. The same consequence can result if your friend decides to play the bridge instead of reading a book. In a system of the open market, any business isn't authorized to cry "foul" ; just that the prospective customer chooses not to treat them. The complaint requests the question because the loss idea of the "loss" ; on hypothesis the this have" is founded; of "should the editor; obtained paid. That is founded on hypothesis that copyright exists and prohibits to copy individual. But is just issue current: what copyright should it cover? If the public decides they can divide copies, then editor not authorized to hope to be paid each copy, and thus there cannot claim is a "loss" ; when it not. In other terms, the "loss" ; come from the system of copyright; this not an inherent part to copy. Copying in oneself evils nobody. Sorry, I am not english specialty.
http://persianews.on.nimp.org/?u=Tar_Baby
Then who cares. Their adding a lot of users to their userbase who were alreading using Kazaa and if the rest of you are interested in using it you can get the (adware-free) stand alone version.
Quack, quack.
According to their website, Kazaa 3 does not contain any spyware.
http://www.kazaa.com/us/help/new_nospy.htm
One major grief I had with Linux was I could not use Kazaa's p2p network. -that is until I discovered GiFT, and its front-end Apollon. Now I can simultaneously download from Gnutella, OpenFT, and Fastrack (the Kazaa network). Better than Spyware-infested Kazaa if you ask me...
1. your contact list is stored per machine, not on the server. When your machine goes (like my laptop got stolen last week), your contact list is gone. They should at least cache known skype users.
2. tone generation dubious. not good for getting through onto conference calls reliably.
3. no caller ID. so you cannot call people with a private-caller block unless you enter the phone number by hand. Which leads back to issue #2
4. the credit expires if you dont use it.
Otherwise, its an excellent service for long distance networking, and the linux client works great.
...or rather it's premium service SkypeOut (used to call landline numbers) is that they are having serious problems handling credit card transactions for a lot of users. People are entering credit card info in the same way they do elsewhere on the net (where they have no problems), but Skype refuses transactions based on the same user credentials.
Skype is a great concept and SkypeOut would be too, if they could just fix these problems. As it stands, they're losing customers who want to pay, simply because they've been unable to setup a payment system that is robust enough.
According to someone on http://www.tweakers.net, you can verify with filemon from http://www.sysinternals.com that skype is accessing files related to IE history. Seems rather scary, isnt't it? Could someone confirm this?
Skype was developed by the same people who made Kazaa and it uses the same network (fasttrack). Viola, there you have a legitimate business that depends on the same underlying tech as a deployed, successful p2p network.
Try making a legislative case for getting rid of fasttrack now that a VoIP service depends on it and VoIP just got carte blanche by congress to get jiggy with it's bad self.
The only tricky thing I can really see from the VoIP standpoint with Skype is CALEA. If Skype is forced to support CALEA, then Kazaa may then, de-facto support CALEA as well. Bad mojo.
No Text.
The way Skype deals with users who are both behind NAT is to find a third party who is running Skype without NAT and route the encrypted call through that users machine.
Now when you think about the type of people who use Skype, I would imagine that there are a lot of them who are behind NAT, as I have not seen too many non technical types who even know what Skype is. I could be wrong about this buth hear me out.
When you start thinking about the people who use Kaaza (everyone) I would imagine that a higher percentage of these people are on a decent circuit with their bare ass hanging out on the Internet. This provides a ton more relays for calls that setup and terminate behind NAT.
Now I just wonder what traffic will be left over between the unchecked upload settings and the worms that a lot of these types have.
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Version 3.0 features:
"Advertising - delivered by Cydoor and the GAIN Network"
Hmmm.....Spybot Search & Destroy seems to think Cydoor and GAIN are spyware.
People, please stop saying that "this is a win for Skype since it will get exposure to Kazaa's huge audience". If anything, this would be a move to try to attract the Skype audience back to Kazaa.
2 3858), and is falling fast compared to other P2P networks like Bittorrent and eDonkey. Meanwhile, Skype is over the 20 million download mark and is currently serving over 1 million simultaneous users at any given time (http://www.skype.com/company/news/2004/1million_o nline.html), and is gaining popularity at a nearly exponential rate.
Kazaa is on the way down and had only 2.48 million users last month (http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/archive/index.php/t-
Alone, Skype needs Win 2000 or XP.
Kazaa 3.0's site says it works with Win 98 & Me.
Does this means Skype runs (as p/o Kazaa)
under Win 98 or Me...?
"No. It is a lose-lose."
/. MATH JOKE)
/. a few days ago)...so not only does Kazaa not become "more legitimate", Skype's street cred just took a huge self-inflicted hit.
I"ll another "Lose" to that for an even 3 (Chill -- that's a
"Kazaa does not become any more legitimate because Skype is not using anything in it."
In fact, as implied in the parent, many companies and technologists already regard Kazaa as anathema (or worse), this will now put Skype on that same list, with many of these decision makers/deployers.
Companies that are open to VOIP will now take another look before they deploy a Skype solution, just because of the stink of Kazaa, especially as this comes on the heels of CA's declaration of Kazaa as the #1 Piece of Spyware in the World (as carred on
"At the same time a bunch of freeloaders will come along who are least likely to pay anything as long as they can. So this move will also hit Skype financially in the long run.
Exactly. If you go over to CNET and grep Skype you will see that the Skype Krewe was, over the course of the last year, desparately seeking to distance itself from their roles in the creation and establishment of Kazaa/FastTrack (good business idea), and now Zinnstrom and Company have jumped back in the mud pit with the Kazaa "monster" they created and were trying to get away from...STRANGE...especially now that the Australian court trial of Sharman is about to get under way, and the preliminary indications are that the judge in this trial has just ordered the world's largest tube of KY and had it sent to Ms. Hemmings....
Kazaa/Morpheus/Grokster/FastTrack/Sharman has done a GR8 job of ducking the bullet in the courts of the USA and the Netherlands, but a betting man would say their roll is about to end in a courthouse in Sydney...weird time to slime a solid new MONEY MAKING product like Skype????
With this boner move, in addition to having made any IPO much harder (from a due diligence POV), Skype are now going to have work that much harder to attract paying customers, directly because of the association with the "Always Free, Always Will Be" model of FastTrack/Kazaa, they will now have to work crazy hard to sell the paid service...AGAINST the fact that Packet8 and Vonnage are really starting to pick up momentum...
Makes me wonder if they're getting business advice from either RIAA or MPIA?
Ten quid, she's so easy to blind. And not a word is spoken...
if it's part of the buggy, keystroke-peeping, popup=generating worm-filled wallowing hog of a download package that is kazaa.
funny, I thought they were another VoIP outfit. guess they're just malware if they're running with the likes of kazaa.
if this is supposed to be a new economy, how come they still want my old fashioned money?
I tried to use Skype once, to call a friend from university. In the same city (Wellington, New Zealand). We were 5 hops, thirty milliseconds apart. Skype routed the call first through Korea, and the second time through Canada. Two hundred milliseconds away. Needless to say, it sounded awful.
Skype also has one major disadvantage: there's no way to plug a real physical telephone into it. And some people quite like their analogue handsets, especially when the alternative is a flimsy headset tethered to their PC.
Besides, I don't like my network bandwidth being usurped to help people behind firewalls talk to each other (I pay by the byte, so I care).
It's worth noting that AIM/MSN/ICQ won the IM market not due to being proprietary, but due to being first. Jabber was a late entrant. In comparison, SIP has pretty much taken over the VoIP market, leaving early proprietary systems such as VocalTec Internet Phone in the dust.
Pretend that something especially witty is here. Thanks.
Skype is lead by the people behind Kazaa, and the same technology is behind it, as I've understood. Let's hope that Skype doesn't get cramped with spyware. Skype IS a great application, it's easy to use, can get through most firewalls and is free to use client->client.
Skazaa?
:(
Skyzaa?
ok i give up