Slashdot Mirror


Guy Game Results in Lawsuits and Injunction

Several readers have written in to report on Tuesday's lawsuit regarding 'The Guy Game'. The PC/console offering, which strings a weak trivia game around footage of naked college age girls, has come under fire after the revelation that a woman featured prominently in the game was under the age of 18 at the time the footage was taken. The lawsuit names Sony (PS2), Microsoft (Xbox), Take-Two Interactive (Publisher), and Top Heavy Studios (Developer) as defendants. Commentary available on GamesIndustry.biz.

111 comments

  1. why is anyone surprised? by elmegil · · Score: 1

    After Traci Lords....???

    --
    7 November 2006: The day Americans realized corruption and incompetence weren't addressing 11 September 2001
    1. Re:why is anyone surprised? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      If when you were 14, you had sex with another of the same age, and you later think back about that experience when you are 30 years of age, are you a pedophile?

    2. Re:why is anyone surprised? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      No, not unless you wank to it.

    3. Re:why is anyone surprised? by infonography · · Score: 1

      Not even then. Better get born dopey.

      --
      Sorry about the writing. Robot fingers, you know? Cliff Steele in DOOM PATROL #23
    4. Re:why is anyone surprised? by Freexe · · Score: 1

      I dont think anyone on slashdot will have that problem.

      --
      "In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell
  2. Well... by th1ckasabr1ck · · Score: 5, Insightful
    According to the Cox News Service, the lawsuit explains: "Plaintiff is still a teenager and wishes to attend college, develop her career and be active in her community and church."

    I wonder what the church thinks of the game. Maybe if she wants to be such a model citizen, she should start out by not running around topless during spring break.

    1. Re:Well... by EnronHaliburton2004 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      be active in her community and church

      That's a typo, it's really supposed to say "be attractive in her community and church"

      But honestly, any time you hear some person trying to act holier then thou and bragging about how the go to church and have a personal relationship with Jesus, it's because they are lying.

    2. Re:Well... by thefirelane · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Maybe if she wants to be such a model citizen, she should start out by not running around topless during spring break.

      Insightful? You realize that's why we have the concept of 'a minor' right? So that dumb youthful indiscretions do not tarnish one's life for ever?

    3. Re:Well... by acousticiris · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Lets be realistic here... if the lawsuit explained that "Plaintiff is still a teenager and wishes to operate as a high-priced hooker to the stars but now cannot because everyone can get a look at the goods..." it probably wouldn't go over very well with a jury.
      It's most likely something along the lines of "Mom and Dad found out I was in the game so now we all have to act like good Christians and sue the world over to prevent the tarnishing of our reputation."
      It does irritate me when people try to make themselves look better by professing that they attend church, and it's ironic (in a very disturbing way) when it is used as part of a lawsuit who's purpose is to prove that the individual at hand should not be held accountable for their actions.
      I understand the LAW protects a 17 year old from being an idiot, but lets not kid ourselves and assume that a 17 year old girl didn't know flashing your breasts around town (or in a video game) was probably not a very good idea. And if she was worried about tarnishing her reputation, it seems that bringing a very high-profile lawsuit against some very high-profile companies is going to make this whole thing quite public and will probably cause the game to be far more successful than it otherwise would have been...even if it only gets to exist on the black market from here on out.

      --
      "God is dead!" - Nietzsche
      "Nietzsche is dead!" - God
    4. Re:Well... by ivan256 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You realize that's why we have the concept of 'a minor' right? So that dumb youthful indiscretions do not tarnish one's life for ever?

      That's also why you have parents. Why did they let her run around topless for spring break in the first place if it was going to be such an issue? As for "tarnishing one's life", well, you're born topless. I don't understand why being seen with your shirt off is such a big deal anyway. Hell, until you hit the teenage years, lots of parents think little girls running around on the beach with no shirt on is "cute". As soon as they have breasts, though, everybody's sexual insecurities make them all uncomfortable about it. People like that need to grow up.

      To top it off, it's not like somebody forced her to do this, or paid her to do it. It's something that happened in a public place, and as such it shouldn't be any less legal to photograph it than it is to witness it. If having a photograph of a naked person in public who happens to be a minor is a crime, it should be the guardian of that minor who allowed them to be naked in public who should be held responsible. That assumes that the real goal here is to protect minors though, and not to make people feel all warm and fuzzy inside because they don't have to be embarresed that they're aroused by sexually mature women.

      Since we're on slashdot I guess I should throw out a strawman here. What happens if a 17 year old streaks past the camera in a live newscast? Should the news outlet be prosecuted for child pornography, or be disallowed to keep that footage in their archive?

    5. Re:Well... by Babbster · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Yeah, that works out really well for kids over around 14 who commit SERIOUS crimes and are tried as adults.

      There's a point at which even a teenager should know the difference between right and wrong - wrong including posing nude and then signing papers claiming to be 18 years old (unless it was the stupidest company on the planet that had the releases drawn up, said releases would have a statement of age and would include her birthdate).

      Bottom line: The game is most likely crap (I've never heard a good thing about it and have no interest myself) but this unidentified female is just another scumbag who wants a free payday.

    6. Re:Well... by ivan256 · · Score: 1

      It's most likely something along the lines of "Mom and Dad found out I was in the game so now we all have to act like good Christians and sue the world over to prevent the tarnishing of our reputation."
      It does irritate me when people try to make themselves look better by professing that they attend church...


      Most churches profess forgiveness, so it's a lame excuse anyway. They shouldn't need to hide this to be good Christians in the future, and hiding it won't undo her actions anyway. Not only that, but nudity isn't a sin in most Christian religions anyway.

    7. Re:Well... by ivan256 · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      I should have read that before posting. I used the word 'anyway' three too many times in that post. :)

    8. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To top it off...

      Tee hee hee!

    9. Re:Well... by JuggleGeek · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Yeah right. And when a minor kills someone and the courts let them off easy 'cause their only 15, it's OK. They shouldn't be responsible for stealing the gun, shooting the victim, etc - they are just a minor.

      She was 17 years old running around topless on a beach because she wanted people to look at her cute little titties. And now she's bitching and whining and suing over it.

      You may believe that people should be able to do any damn fool thing they want with no repercussions, but that's an unreasonable belief. Real life doesn't work that way.

      The very idea that one would be "tarnished forever" for running around partially nude is nonsense in and of itself.

    10. Re:Well... by Guppy06 · · Score: 1

      "So that dumb youthful indiscretions do not tarnish one's life for ever?"

      So should you have to send high school records to colleges you apply to?

      The concept of legal minority is more an exception than a rule. Children are expected to be model citizens at younger and younger ages.

    11. Re:Well... by JuggleGeek · · Score: 1
      Since we're on slashdot I guess I should throw out a strawman here. What happens if a 17 year old streaks past the camera in a live newscast? Should the news outlet be prosecuted for child pornography, or be disallowed to keep that footage in their archive?

      In that case, Sony, RCA, and Tivo get sued, because their TV's and DVR's showed the event. It's all nonsense.

    12. Re:Well... by Romeozulu · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's something that happened in a public place, and as such it shouldn't be any less legal to photograph it than it is to witness it.

      It's perfectly legal to photograph someone in a public place, but it is not legal to use that image for commerical purposes. This is a issues that photographers deal wih everyday.

    13. Re:Well... by JuggleGeek · · Score: 1, Flamebait
      It does irritate me when people try to make themselves look better by professing that they attend church

      Attending church just makes them look like bigotted idiots. Look at what the church does.

      After attending Trinity Christian Academy from kindergarten,making good grades, doing well in every way, and paying a lot in tuition to go to private school, the school kicked him out just before graduation because they found out he was gay. That's your christian values.

      Of course, the catholics are no better. They have long supported priests who sexually abused children.

      Surely I don't need to link to information about Muslim churches which support terrorism. (Though it wouldn't take long with Google to find a link.)

      Religion is about money, power, and control. When people try to pretend that going to church makes them better people, I know that what they mean is "We are better than scum like you, you will burn in hell, so you better do things our way".

      All churches are evil. (Sorry mom - it's true. Yours is no exception.)

      I was rasied in a heavily baptist town, by religious parents. Luckily, I got over it.

    14. Re:Well... by arthurh3535 · · Score: 1

      Isn't that what the news is? I mean they use public footage and make a profit on it?

      --
      No! It's a *SIG*. Keep the Special Interest Groups away! (Con joke!)
    15. Re:Well... by arkanes · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have to agree with the stupid whiny thing, but on the other hand, it's not like it's well known what you have to do as far as release forms goes for crowd footage. And if the crowd footage happens to be of very young college girls with thier tops off, then anyone with half a brain should realize they need to go the extra mile to make 100% certain than they aren't shipping anything with underage girls in it. If she was an out of focus background character cause she streaked by while they were filming someone else, that'd be a different story.

    16. Re:Well... by taustin · · Score: 3, Informative

      News is a rather large exception. And even in the news, the image must be newsworthy.

      Plus, news organizations routinely pay for such rights anyway, whether they have to or not.

      A video game, however, is not news. This situation is pretty clear cut. Commercial exploitation of someone's image without persmission is illegal. And someone under 18 cannot legally give permission.

      Plus, technically (stupid as the law is), her being under 18 makes it child porn.

    17. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I can't help but notice an incredible amount of anger in your post.

      I'm sad that you view the faith this way. I'm also sad for the 18,000 members of my Christian non-catholic church who donate well over nine million dollars a year, 92% of which ends up in community housing projects (of which the participating members do not get paid to participate), drug rehabilitation, counseling and support for the sexually abused, couselling and support for inner city kids to prevent gang violence. 7% goes to actually paying the fees/taxes associated with land ownership in our rather expensive area and 1% goes to the folks who actually *do* the legwork to make the 92% end up where it goes. Yeah, it's about money. A *real* church exists entirely for the benefit of its non-members.
      It's sad that you paint with such a broad brush. The problem isn't "the Christians" or "the Catholics", it's the fact that so many in this country identify their religeon by their upbringing, not by their actual following.

      An honest Christian is not quick to judge because he understands that he is the more grave of sinners. Christians are the worst sinners because we fully know and understand the sacrifice that was made for us and yet we sin anyway.

      And regardless of how angry you get, or how angry I am about your bias against my faith, I'm praying for your salvation.

    18. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Luckily, I got over it.

      Are you sure?

    19. Re:Well... by JuggleGeek · · Score: 0, Troll
      I'm praying for your salvation.

      That's your prerogative. Feel free to waste time in any way you see fit.

    20. Re:Well... by UnholySauce · · Score: 1

      That'd be like suing a telephone company for making a product that allows someone to harass you. They provide the medium but can't be responsible for the content.

      --
      Cloud and Tree - not just an immature webcomic, but a VISION.
    21. Re:Well... by Danse · · Score: 1

      News is a rather large exception. And even in the news, the image must be newsworthy.

      Show me the law that says that. If it's done in public, it's fair game, regardless of whether it is "newsworthy" or not. I don't recall any newsworthiness standards, so I think that you're completely wrong.

      --
      It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds. - Captain Hammer
    22. Re:Well... by El+Cubano · · Score: 1

      After attending Trinity Christian Academy from kindergarten,making good grades, doing well in every way, and paying a lot in tuition to go to private school, the school kicked him out just before graduation because they found out he was gay. That's your christian values.

      Did you even read the article? First sentence:

      A top student and varsity athlete at a Texas Christian school was forced out after administrators found he was running a Web site about homosexuality.

      It's not just "because he's gay."

      Religion is about money, power, and control.

      This is exactly why it is important not to confuse religion and faith. They are not the same thing. (Read James 1:26)

    23. Re:Well... by dasunt · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      [ Snip anti-religous ranting... ]

      All churches are evil. (Sorry mom - it's true. Yours is no exception.)

      Your post is a great example how you don't need to go to church to be bigotted.

      PS: Muslims attend a mosque. Christians attend a church. According to tradition, the split between those-who-would-become Muslims and those-who-would-become Christians would have taken place over 3500 years ago, so there has been plenty of time to figure out that Christians and Muslims aren't the same religion. It looks pretty stupid to bash something when you don't know the correct terms.

    24. Re:Well... by c.emmertfoster · · Score: 1

      Well, we're not talking about some "blurry background chick" here. They got good enough pics of this dumb slut that she's on the website, according to the lawsuit. Too bad the fucking site is down, or I would wank off to it because of its illicit appeal.

      --
      We can neither love nor pity nor forgive. If you make a slip in handling us you die!
    25. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what about all those Girls Gone Wild videos? The videos are obviously making money off of other people's images.

      Hmm... two seconds on google and i found out that the guy who made those videos is in trouble too.
      http://www.sptimes.com/2003/04/26/State/Underage__ Girls_Gone_.shtml

    26. Re:Well... by badasscat · · Score: 2, Interesting

      News is a rather large exception. And even in the news, the image must be newsworthy.

      Show me the law that says that. If it's done in public, it's fair game, regardless of whether it is "newsworthy" or not. I don't recall any newsworthiness standards, so I think that you're completely wrong.


      Bzzzt. He's completely right. You're not.

      Specifically what's wrong is your idea that "if it's done in public, it's fair game" - no, it isn't, and I want to put a stop to this myth right now.

      Read this to learn the difference between informational (ie. news) and commercial (ie. non-news) uses of photography. Read this for some general information on when and why a release is required.

      Now that that's out of the way, surely you must know that minors cannot sign binding contracts (ie. a release from a minor is meaningless, even if one exists in this case), and that depictions of underage nudity in this country are illegal in their own right. What some people are doing in this thread right now is defending child porn, whether or not they think that's what it is. Legally, that is what it is.

      There is grounds for a lawsuit here on several different issues, and grounds for criminal prosecution on at least one.

    27. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Plus, technically (stupid as the law is), her being under 18 makes it child porn.

      Ahem. Some countries have a legal age of consent of 16 years.

      I'm sure what you meant to say was: In America, this would technically be child porn.

    28. Re:Well... by Phosphor3k · · Score: 1

      Ah-hah, the Troll shows his teeth.

    29. Re:Well... by BenEnglishAtHome · · Score: 2, Insightful
      ...depictions of underage nudity in this country are illegal in their own right.

      Uh, no.

      Go to your local, large, well-stocked bookstore. Ask to see all the books by David Hamilton (or any of a dozen other artists who do similar work). Browse for a while. Report your findings back here.

      Yes, I'll grant you that in this instance a case could be made for criminal prosecution and that underage nudity is usually prosecutable. Your blanket statement, however, overstates the situation rather badly.

    30. Re:Well... by harrkev · · Score: 1
      Most churches profess forgiveness, so it's a lame excuse anyway. They shouldn't need to hide this to be good Christians in the future, and hiding it won't undo her actions anyway.

      What you say is true. The churches that truly try to follow Jesus should be the first ones to forgive. Everybody screws up. The pastor at a former church of mine had a hobby of breaking and entering when he was a teenager.

      Not only that, but nudity isn't a sin in most Christian religions anyway.

      This depends upon the context. In many countries, going around topless is common. It is not just the being nude, but it is the INTENT behind it that matters. A woman being nude in a gynecologists office is perfectly acceptable. A woman being topless in a society where all women are topless is also acceptable. Being nude on a brass pole in a bar is another matter, where the intent is to get men to look at you.

      I suspect that this girl wants all of this to go away for fear of embarassment. Even though a church should forgive, often people IN the church have long memories and like to talk, even though gossip is wrong.

      Another thing to keep in mind is that people who are not followers of Christ are expected to do wrong things. People who follow Christ are expected to know better. So if she was already a regular attendee of a church, there are two possible conclusions:

      1) She made a serious error. Chalk one up for very bad judgement. This reflects badly on her maturity and ability to make rational decisions.

      2) She is just "going through the motions" at chruch, and at some level is not committed.

      Either conclusion is somewhat embarrasing for her, hence the reason to sweep this under the rug. Nobody really knows which of the two above options are correct. So, it is the job of the church to forgive her completely, but to keep a close eye on her for now.

      Now, for my question: bringing this lawsuit up is a certain way to advertise to the world what happened! The better course of action would be to say and do nothing. Then, a game that sells tens of copies would not be very likely to cause her problems in the future.
      --
      "-1 Troll" is the apparently the same as "-1 I disagree with you."
    31. Re:Well... by bigman2003 · · Score: 1

      Thanks very much for the excellent links.

      I run a small, inconsequential website. And I've been wondering what might require a release, and what wouldn't. The links you provided pretty much spelled it out for me, in a fairly clear manner. (I don't need a release, because my site is non-commercial, and any negative comments are used as parody)

      --
      No reason to lie.
    32. Re:Well... by leland242 · · Score: 1

      I thought the same thing - a bit angry.

      However, I agree with him. The majority of religious catholics I've met (and I was raised in religious school until college) are just horrible people. Holier than thou pukes, if I can be so blunt.

      However, the true majority of that religion are the sheep. The ones that show up every Sunday, sit in church for an hour and get thier golden ticket into heaven, and then leave and do whatever they want, irrespective of thier "beliefs".

      You will undoubtably see the worst this weekend - you know, the holiday believers and thier annual/bi-annual appearance.

      I would imagine that a girl who whips her tits out, probably while drinking underage, is a) a lot of fun to be around and b) a sheep in her church.

      I recall the famous bumper sticker: Going to church makes you religious inasmuch as being in a garage makes you a car.

    33. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or like suing the maker's of P2P software. They provide the medium but can't be held responsible for the content.

    34. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The majority of religious catholics I've met... are just horrible people.

      There's something I would like you to consider doing.

      Step 1. Insert just about any enthnic or religous group in place of "religious catholics" that sentence and read it again. In fact try several, including Jews, blacks, gays, etc.

      Step 2. Think about how much that makes you sound like a bigot.

      Step 3. Re-evaluate your thinking.

    35. Re:Well... by Beyond_GoodandEvil · · Score: 1

      As they say familiarity breeds contempt. Or you could just realize most people(possibly myself included)are horrible people.

      --
      I laughed at the weak who considered themselves good because they lacked claws.
    36. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "You realize that's why we have the concept of 'a minor' right? So that dumb youthful indiscretions do not tarnish one's life for ever?"

      That should not extend the right to sue over her own stupidity. Oh wait, this is America. Land of the litigious.

    37. Re:Well... by Danse · · Score: 1

      What some people are doing in this thread right now is defending child porn, whether or not they think that's what it is. Legally, that is what it is.

      I'm not debating the legality of underage nudity, but since you're throwing the term "child porn" around, I thought I would point out that the government apparently thinks there should be a gray area where the death penalty is concerned. You can receive the death penalty even if you're 15. But since that's just death, and nobody is seeing any boobies, I guess they figure it's ok.

      Now, in this particular case, I don't see all that much actual information about what happened. Was she paid? Did she actually sign a release? Is simply showing a video clip of her in a game considered commercial use? That's something that I didn't find in your links. They didn't give any examples that were similar to this case. All of the commercial use examples they gave were endorsements of some sort. I don't her image in the game being used as an endorsement. Her image is just one of many being used as a minor reward in the game. Perhaps her image is being used in such a way on their website, but that would be a separate issue from the game I think. I don't think her case is as strong as you seem to think it is. Since this doesn't fit the invasion of privacy or defamation criteria, that only leaves the right of publicity. Now, again, based on your link, I still can't clearly see this as a violation of her rights. Her image in the game isn't being used to sell the product.

      --
      It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds. - Captain Hammer
    38. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hell, in Texas, age of consent is 17.

      Looking at the list on ageofconsent.com, you can go as low as 16 without parental consent, and 14 with. Of course, crossing state lines to, ahem, take advantage of this gets the FBI bashing down your door overnight.

    39. Re:Well... by leland242 · · Score: 1

      Most are - but only because our point of views are different.

    40. Re:Well... by m3talsling3r · · Score: 1

      That's a stupid comment! Minor's will always stay minor in mind if they don't face the consequences every once in a while.

      --
      My sig is as boring as you...
    41. Re:Well... by westlake · · Score: 1
      You can receive the death penalty even if you're 15. But since that's just death, and nobody is seeing any boobies, I guess they figure it's ok.

      The minimum age is sixteen (fourteen states.) No juvenile younger than seventeen at the time his crime was committed has been executed in the United States in over thirty years. Age Requirements for the Death Penalty and the Execution of Juveniles

      Is...showing a video clip of her in a game considered commercial use?..Her image is...being used as a minor reward in the game.

      I think you have answered your own question.

    42. Re:Well... by Danse · · Score: 1

      The minimum age is sixteen (fourteen states.) No juvenile younger than seventeen at the time his crime was committed has been executed in the United States in over thirty years. Age Requirements for the Death Penalty and the Execution of Juveniles

      Ok, 16 then. That's still under 18. How does that change my point?

      I think you have answered your own question.

      No, if you read the links you posted, all of the examples are of someone's image being used in advertisements or endorsements. This is neither.

      --
      It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds. - Captain Hammer
  3. The cynical/conspiracy theorist... by the+Man+in+Black · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...yes, I'm certain this won't hurt sales at all. Kinda like Traci Lords "leaking" the fact that she was underage in order to get all her old movies pulled (and turned into hot collector's items) with the fringe benefit of making her last and only "adult age" porno flick sell like gangbusters.

    What? So I'm a pervert. At least I'm open about it.

    1. Re:The cynical/conspiracy theorist... by Reapy · · Score: 1

      I hate that we have to think of ourselves as perverts for liking nude women.

      Sort of like growing up thinking I had to not let anybody know that I like pc games.

  4. Lawers are so short-sighted... by acousticiris · · Score: 4, Funny

    So sue Sony because a playstation can play a game that features content that breaks the law.

    I'm surprised they were so short-sighted:
    They should sue the maker of the digital camera used to take the picture of the girl.
    If they used a scanner and a traditional camera, they should sue both the maker of the scanner and the camera. Double the dollars!
    How about suing the DVD Consortium because they produced the scandard by which the disc used to distribute the content contained the illegal picture.

    Too much? More realistic:
    Jail all of the end-users because they now possess child-pornography.
    Sue the ESRB ... which arguably operates as a clearing-house when they choose to slap a rating on a game.

    One can argue that because MS, Sony et. al. have put controls on their console allowing them to essentially declare what can and cannot run on it (without a mod-chip of course), that they "sanctioned" rather than just simply "allowed" this to take place...
    Of course, we can expect that Sony, MS et. al. will probably be far more conservative in deciding what is or isn't allowed to operate on their systems from here on out. I may not agree with the content of the game, but it'll shame when all of the software is dumbed down so as not to offend even the most conservative among us.

    But the cynic in me has to ask the question...if this succeeds: What happens when a slick lawyer is able to confuse a judge and a jury into drawing the conclusion that the OS/product not only "is" a clearing-house, but legally "must operate as" a clearing-house for the applications running on it. Do they sue all of the Linux programmers when Linux fails to block something illegal or offensive?

    --
    "God is dead!" - Nietzsche
    "Nietzsche is dead!" - God
    1. Re:Lawers are so short-sighted... by Geoffreyerffoeg · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sorry, you seem a bit short-sighted:

      Sony was not sued because a Playstation can play this game.

      Sony was sued because they published the game, and the game developer contracted for them. They are thus technically the representative of a child pornographer and publishers of child pornography.

      Frankly, I'm surprised Sony was willing to publish so stupid a game. Anyway, they should know you have to be extra careful with releases on content like this. Sony wouldn't've had legal liability if they didn't act as publisher/approver (that's why Dell et. al aren't being sued for the PC version of this); they chose to have their own publishing and content standard rules, and managed to approve something illegal.

      The end users could probably be technically sued, but they'll probably be able to get off due to not knowing about this -- incidentally, anyone who buys the game in response to this story is a prime target for a legal attack due to intentional purchase of child porn.

    2. Re:Lawers are so short-sighted... by acousticiris · · Score: 1

      Sony was not sued because a Playstation can play this game.

      You may be right. That still doesn't exactly explain what role (other than the aforementioned) Microsoft played in this.

      The article states: "developer Top Heavy Studios, and platform holders Sony and Microsoft, for whose PS2 and Xbox consoles the game is available"
      So if the article is correct (and at this point I can't find anything that defines the situation differently), it seems pretty clear that they are being sued as platform holders regardless of whether or not Sony is also involved as a game publisher.

      Of course, no doubt it is a crap game. I don't think anybody disagrees with that. If you're looking for entertainment, you're not going to play a game with such a stupid theme. If you're looking for porn, a few pairs of breasts probably aren't going to cut it either.

      --
      "God is dead!" - Nietzsche
      "Nietzsche is dead!" - God
    3. Re:Lawers are so short-sighted... by Geoffreyerffoeg · · Score: 1

      That still doesn't exactly explain what role (other than the aforementioned) Microsoft played in this.

      The same. All major game console makers have a policy of licensing, authorizing, and publishing games for their consoles. The PS2 versions were published by Sony, the Xbox versions by Microsoft. The publishers had the option to go the PC route - open up the programming interface and make their platform simply a tool. But no, they had to approve it, mint it, market it...and they thus took responsibility for this material that turned out to be illegal.

    4. Re:Lawers are so short-sighted... by k_187 · · Score: 1

      not all games for the consoles are published by the creators of the console. All three have a large publishing base, but they don't mint and market it as you put it. They do approve everything that gets published on the consoles. So they did say it was ok for whoever it was to sell the game on their console. The Gathering published the Guy Game. I doubt if a publisher went to both of them asking to be published, if both would agree to it, as they would then be directly marketing for each other, and that'd double plus ungood, as they say.

      --
      11 was a racehorse
      12 was 12
      1111 Race
      12112
    5. Re:Lawers are so short-sighted... by Khuffie · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Sony was sued because they published the game

      RTA. Neither Sony nor Microsoft published the game. Take-Two's The Gathering publishes the game. The role Sony and Microsoft have is basically to see if the game is essentially 'bug free', ie it won't cause their console to burst into flames. They usually don't care about the content or the quality of the game itself, just whether or not it'll destroy their hardware.

      Suing Sony and Microsoft here is like me suing a sports store where I bought those Adidas sneakers who got tangled up and caused me to fall, and scar my knees.

      From the article: Why? Because the woman in question was only 17 at the time, and therefore legally incapable of giving her consent to be in The Guy Game, let alone half naked.

      If she was a minor, what the frig' was she doing there, naked? I'm sure whoever was shooting checked their ages at the time (no one's going to be stupid enough NOT to). She must have had an illegal ID at hand (probably, its spring break, she was probably there drinking too). Being 17 doesn't make you stupid.

    6. Re:Lawers are so short-sighted... by c.emmertfoster · · Score: 1

      That's a darn good point. It's certainly not "child pornography" if she's misrepresenting her age. I should sue her ass for lying to us.

      --
      We can neither love nor pity nor forgive. If you make a slip in handling us you die!
    7. Re:Lawers are so short-sighted... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Neither Sony nor Microsoft published the game. Take-Two's The Gathering publishes the game. The role Sony and Microsoft have is basically to see if the game is essentially 'bug free', ie it won't cause their console to burst into flames. They usually don't care about the content or the quality of the game itself, just whether or not it'll destroy their hardware.

      Both Sony and Microsoft have to approve the content of the game first before it receives their approvals. First when the game is submited (generally before development actually begins) and last when the game has to go through the TRC (SCEI), TCR (Microsoft) or LotCheck (Nintendo) process.

    8. Re:Lawers are so short-sighted... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But as a minor, she didn't know what she was doing. If a 5-year-old girl says she's 18, and then gets nude pictures taken, do you really think she's aware of the consequences?

    9. Re:Lawers are so short-sighted... by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Of course, no doubt it is a crap game. I don't think anybody disagrees with that. If you're looking for entertainment, you're not going to play a game with such a stupid theme. If you're looking for porn, a few pairs of breasts probably aren't going to cut it either.

      Except now it'll be a collector's item!

    10. Re:Lawers are so short-sighted... by mausmalone · · Score: 1
      The role Sony and Microsoft have is basically to see if the game is essentially 'bug free', ie it won't cause their console to burst into flames. They usually don't care about the content or the quality of the game itself, just whether or not it'll destroy their hardware.
      I also kinda take issue with Sony and Microsoft being sued, though they're doing a tiny bit more than you suggest. A license with either one comes with (at least): A development kit, development samples (so you have a place to start), technical support (in case you get stuck on a hardware bug and need a workaround); When your game is ready, Sony and Microsoft will test it to verify that it does run without crashing on their hardware; Once certified "compatible", licensees can use the PS2/XBox logos to promote their games. Also, Sony and Microsoft will fold your game into their publicity if they think it will encourage gamers to buy their hardware.

      Back on topic, though, I think it's unreasonable to put Sony and Microsoft in the lawsuit. I'm sure they'll be found not liable, and if they have any sense they'll try to sever themselves from Take Two, et. al. I'm absolutely certain that when Take Two applied for a license for this game, Sony's and Microsoft's lawyers asked them to verify that the waivers and consent forms were all in good order.
      --
      -=-=-=-=-=
      I'd rather be flamed than ignored.
    11. Re:Lawers are so short-sighted... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If a 17 yo with a fake ID (and boobies) jumps ropes on a professional set, topless, in front of a crowd, while smiling into a video camera, then sues you and misrepresnting the events, yes, she can be sued. And she should be. But seriously, go for a jury trial, get as many men on it as possible, and have her cry till her masscarra runs in court, no one will care, they'll just want to give her a house, a car, a yacht, a private island with white sand beaches, whatever. She is damn cute.

      She knew EXACTLY what she was doing. Using the powerful image of her body to gather as much attention as she could. ....and then her parents found out. Hey dad, when you bought her the boobies, what exactly was your plan there?

  5. Obligatory quote by secolactico · · Score: 1

    "This thread is worthless without pics..." Whoops... wrong forum...

    But seriously, the game description of half naked spring breakers that reward you by showing you their boobs for answering trivia questions reminds me of those tetris clones (porntris?) where the filled rows became part of a hardocore image.

    No thank you. If I want to see "Girls Gone Wild", I'll just check out the latest video and save myself the trouble.

    --
    No sig
    1. Re:Obligatory quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't see this genre doing all that well in the first place. Isn't the whole point of masturbating to pornography the fact that it's easier to get porn than get a real date? Why would anyone want to make that process more complicated by adding a bunch of trivia questions to it?

      I thought we all bought broadband connections to get porn faster? Why would we want a game that made it take longer to get to the goods (and then limited itself to only the top half).

    2. Re:Obligatory quote by hunterx11 · · Score: 1

      In fact Porntris was created by Image-Line, the company that now makes FL Studio (a music sequencer). Though by "company" they really just mean "two dudes in Belgium."

      --
      English is easier said than done.
  6. Ah, the irony by chrisbtoo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So she's old enough to be in college, she's happy to run around topless while at college, and she's smart enough to sue - but unable to give (or, indeed, not give) her consent to appear in the game.

    Hurrah! for the law.

    --
    Registering accounts later than some other chrisb since 1997
    1. Re:Ah, the irony by arthurh3535 · · Score: 1

      Now the real question, was she in a public place where you would only expect to see naked adults?

      --
      No! It's a *SIG*. Keep the Special Interest Groups away! (Con joke!)
    2. Re:Ah, the irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The best part is, how she was dumb enough to give her real name, and then complain that every one knows it's her now.

    3. Re:Ah, the irony by drakethegreat · · Score: 1

      Land of the free means you are free to sue anyone. Of course you have to prove they are guilty because that brings justice while at the same time wasting everyone's time and money if the claim is complete crap. I think they need to have a system where if someone is wrong and it isn't proven then they have to pay some of the legal fees. I mean if you have to waste thousands of dollars to protect yourself from a moron that moron should pay you back for your troubles.

    4. Re:Ah, the irony by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1
      So she's old enough to be in college, ...

      Not necessarily. 17 at the time, in the spring. She started college way early, then.
      Lots of high school kids go to spring break

      she's smart enough to sue

      She, and her parents.

  7. Curious by Rie+Beam · · Score: 1

    Curious - if she was allowed to go to Spring Break in the first place, and flash her breasts around to anyone and everyone, what makes you think her incapable of making an informed (or ill-formed) decision?

  8. I am suing by MyLongNickName · · Score: 4, Funny

    I was pictured topless in the game here:
    http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2004/reviews/ 919657_20040901_thumb008.jpg

    (Remove stupid spacing)

    --
    See my journal for slashdot ID's by year. Mine created in 2005. http://slashdot.org/journal/289875/slashdot-ids-by-year
  9. too bad so sad... yeah, right by ChipMonk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Maybe someone should charge her parents with contributing to the corruption of a minor by allowing her to go there unsupervised.

  10. I was always confused on this... by th3walrus · · Score: 1

    If the location the videos/photos were taken was public property, can't they legally photograph anyone they please?

    I know with personal security cameras you can't have their view extend onto another persons private property, but if it gets the street in front of your house then that's ok. Say there was a naked 17 year old girl standing there in the street... I'd say it's obvious that the person who owns the camera (and thus took the picture) wouldn't be in trouble, but someone who took that tape and tried to sell it would be.

    Is that right or do I have a no clue on the actual laws?

    1. Re:I was always confused on this... by taustin · · Score: 1

      In the US, a photograph of a topless (or bottomless) woman under 18 is child pornography. (In theory, this is true only if the minor is presented in a sexual context. In practice, that distinction means little to prosecutors or juries. And, the context of this game is definitely sexual anyway. Somebody could do prison time out of this.)

      (Aside from that, while you can take pictures of people in public places, you cannot commercially exploit them outside of a news context without that person's permission. And being under 18, she literally could not give permission.)

  11. They Are Just Boobs by CMiYC · · Score: 1

    I wish people would get over it. They're boobs. That's all. Just a couple blobs of fat and skin.

    Everyone else has already made the comment, if she was only 17 why was she there? Wouldn't it be nice if she was drunk in the game? Because God knows how much harm comes to girls that show nipples versus girls who drink too much.

    1. Re:They Are Just Boobs by realdpk · · Score: 1

      Amusingly, if breasts weren't a big deal, this game probably never would have been produced in the first place.

    2. Re:They Are Just Boobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well... in her case there's a little, err.., fair amount, of sillicone too.

    3. Re:They Are Just Boobs by Wescotte · · Score: 1

      I wish people would get over it. They're boobs. That's all. Just a couple blobs of fat and skin.

      Don't you ever speak of breasts in that way again!

  12. Definition: non sequitur by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Taken from Dictionary.com
    1. An inference or conclusion that does not follow from the premises or evidence.
    2. A statement that does not follow logically from what preceded it.

    Interest generalization. Because one human being is evil, you assume that everyone associated with them is also evil. So do you feel that all of humanity is evil (since we are all human beings ... do you extend their evil to include all of the rest of us, too)?

    Disclaimer: I had a partial Roman Catholic education. One of my school teachers was accused in that scandal. I do not know how his case turned out - I did not follow the case. But I did find myself remembering that I really disliked that man, and that my parents really disliked that man at the time, too. I remember him being a mean and nasty human being. So, when the charges came up, I found myself wondering if he really did what he was accused of or was it just someone using the furor to retaliate against a mean human being. because that man was so nasty that I wondered if the accusation was real, or just an opportunity taken to strike back at a nasty man.

  13. You think the US laws are stupid?? by MrBigInThePants · · Score: 0, Troll

    Here in NZ, it would be perfectly legal for me to hit on and have sex with the 17 yr old in question. (hell, 16 is fine)

    However, if I took photos of her...

    At least your laws are consistant, if somewhat puritan: people are minors and totally brainless and not allowed to make their own decisions until they are 18.

    The reality, of course, is little miss "topless beacon of christianity" probably took on three guys at once that night in a drunken, sexual orgy.

    How sweet...like candy...

    1. Re:You think the US laws are stupid?? by Max_Abernethy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, you're mistaken. Our laws are less consistent. In my home state, Pennsylvania, it would be legal for me (as an 18 year old) to have sex with a 16 year old girl, but not to photograph her. In the state where I go to school, New York, it's illegal for me to have sex with an 18 year old. In some places it's legal to look at pornography at 18, in others not until you're 21. Everything varies from state to state.

    2. Re:You think the US laws are stupid?? by svanstrom · · Score: 1

      In Sweden it's 15 for sex, 18 for sex-related pictures (not just nude, it gotta be that "this isn't just a nude young person, but a nude young person which is having dirty thoughts"-kind of a thing).

      In some uneducated countries it's legal to have sex with even younger girls, as long as you're married with her... Guess what country it is I'm thinking about...?

      --
      perl -e'print$_{$_} for sort%_=`lynx -dump svanstrom.com/t`'
    3. Re:You think the US laws are stupid?? by WolfWithoutAClause · · Score: 1
      Dunno, but you seem to be implying that the Japanese are uneducated.

      Age of consent for girls is 13 in Japan. They can't get married till 16 though.

      --

      -WolfWithoutAClause

      "Gravity is only a theory, not a fact!"
    4. Re:You think the US laws are stupid?? by svanstrom · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Didn't say anything about japan; all I was saying was that in some areas of some countries *cough*the us*cough* the girls, law-wise, might be way too young to have sex... but they are allowed to get married, and have sex with their husband/wife... =/

      http://www.ageofconsent.com/ageofconsent.htm

      --
      perl -e'print$_{$_} for sort%_=`lynx -dump svanstrom.com/t`'
    5. Re:You think the US laws are stupid?? by WolfWithoutAClause · · Score: 1
      Oh, the *cough*the us*cough*- that's OK then! :-)

      Still, you do seem to be calling the Japanese uneducated, since presumably having sex inside wedlock is better than outside; unless you are anti-marriage for some reason.

      p.s. Didn't know about *cough*the us*cough* girls having sex with their wives- how very liberal :-)

      --

      -WolfWithoutAClause

      "Gravity is only a theory, not a fact!"
    6. Re:You think the US laws are stupid?? by Jane_the_Great · · Score: 0, Troll
      "In the state where I go to school, New York, it's illegal for me to have sex with an 18 year old."
      Why do you think that?

      Perhaps you should preview your comments before you submit them.

      --
      THIS ACCOUNT IS OFFICIALLY RETIRED/RETARDED.
    7. Re:You think the US laws are stupid?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One thing all of the states agree on... It's very creepy to have an encyclopedic knowledge of the statutory rape laws.

    8. Re:You think the US laws are stupid?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In NY, the age of consent is 17...

    9. Re:You think the US laws are stupid?? by YOU+LIKEWISE+FAIL+IT · · Score: 1

      Inconsistency in consent law is not just limited to the U.S. states, or even to New Zealand. Many legislative areas, such as the state of Queensland in my own Australia discriminatorily have different ages of consent for heterosexual, male-male homosexual and female-female homosexual intercourse - worldwide, it is generally male-male interaction which is singled out for a higher age. This bothers the hell out of me, because it seems to be making a sweeping judgement on common sense / morality based on sexual identity - if anything, at least male-male contact is less likely to result in unwanted children, which I am told is one of the stated targets of such laws.

      --
      One god, one market, one truth, one consumer.
    10. Re:You think the US laws are stupid?? by Diomedes+Tydeus · · Score: 1

      No problem, G.W. will finish plowing over states rights so that he can shove his neo-con agenda down our throats soon enough. Then we'll all have the same federal laws.

      -Diomedes

      --
      As for Diomedes, you could not say whether he was more among the Achaeans or the Trojans.
    11. Re:You think the US laws are stupid?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm guessing The Red States of America

  14. Should I even ask? by Vr6dub · · Score: 2, Funny

    Anyone have a link to the screenshots?!? This reply was computer generated and no humans were involved in processing this request Of course I'm joking, kind of.....

    1. Re:Should I even ask? by c.emmertfoster · · Score: 1

      The lawsuit said she could be seen on the website, which sadly, appears to have been taken down sometime today.

      --
      We can neither love nor pity nor forgive. If you make a slip in handling us you die!
    2. Re:Should I even ask? by c.emmertfoster · · Score: 1

      Nevermind I'm dumb it's still up.

      Must have been slow because of slashdotting.

      Too bad that shit's all Flash so I can't save the pics directly.

      --
      We can neither love nor pity nor forgive. If you make a slip in handling us you die!
    3. Re:Should I even ask? by johannesg · · Score: 1
      So which one of the ladies is the one suing now?

      Hey, I'm just curious! ;-)

  15. Anyone have a link to pictures? by bergeron76 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Does anyone have a link to some screenshots?

    --
    Don't think that a small group of dedicated individuals can't change the world. It's the only thing that ever has.
  16. Flamebait: MetaMod the Insightful away. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The parent post is the definition of Flamebait.
    It is also Offtopic.

    It getting Modded as Insightful is rubbish and a clear abuse of Mod points to push a political adgenda. Maybe they meant Inciteful.

    Someone with mod points, please banish the parent down to the -1 gutter, with his buddies in GNAA.

    Oh, and my "street cred'," I am athiest. I have no love for religion, but I'd like to read Slashdot with a minimum of garbage (I know dare to dream).

    BTW:
    I was rasied in a heavily baptist town, by religious parents. Luckily, I got over it.
    It really doesn't sound like you got over it. It sounds like you still have plenty of issues to work out.

  17. Eh...Why is this even on here? by TheBot · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The only person who should get in trouble is the girl! She's the one who did it, was probably drinking (underage as well), and probably thought no one would ever see it. Now Joe-Blow at her High School pirated the game from the, enter-net, and saw her and recognized her from his Bioligy class. Then he proceeds to tell people, and she proceeds to take the defensive and say she's a good christian girl who has real morals and is underage and doesn't want this to ruin her future. Family sues game company, game consoles, people who filmed it, etc. Now, let me get this straight...You mean to tell me if I cut my arm off with a Craftsmen Saw, I can sue Craftsmen for cutting off my arm? Sweeeeeeeet! Lets all go out and make bad decisions, and then get defensive, and sue everyone!

    1. Re:Eh...Why is this even on here? by Goosey · · Score: 1

      You mean to tell me if I cut my arm off with a Craftsmen Saw, I can sue Craftsmen for cutting off my arm? Sweeeeeeeet! Lets all go out and make bad decisions, and then get defensive, and sue everyone!

      You can sue anyone you want.

      Winning is a different story.

      --
      --- "End Of Line" - MCP
    2. Re:Eh...Why is this even on here? by xTown · · Score: 1

      You mean to tell me if I cut my arm off with a Craftsmen Saw, I can sue Craftsmen for cutting off my arm?

      Why do you think new power tools--and some non-power tools, look at a hammer in the hardware store sometime--come with warning labels about safe operation? It's precisely so someone doesn't go and cut their arm off and sue, saying "It doesn't say in the manual not to cut my arm off!"

  18. Location shoots by WebCowboy · · Score: 0

    If the location the videos/photos were taken was public property, can't they legally photograph anyone they please?

    NO...at least not any more. Recently I went to the local rollercade and a TV show was being shot there that night (it happens on occasion). It is a public place, and the shoot was happening during regular business activity. During the shoot and for about an hour afterwards one of the production crew was cheasing down EACH AND EVERY PERSON who was not part of the cast to sign a release form. A person at the front door made sure to ask if they had signed before they left.

    I asked what the big deal was, and they said something along the lines of this: We have to get legally binding consent from every single person who may appear onscreen. If they refuse to sign a release or we forget to offer them one the producers MUST electronically obscure those people or cut the footage from the show entirely (notice how that happens more often these days?).

    If those people are not removed from the footage they have the legal right to sue (for monetary compensation and/or to order the footage removed from broadcast/distribution). It doesn't matter at all when or where, or who took the footage. You could willingly tape yourself and your partner having sex and send it to playboy with a note "see how naughty we are" and if they were to show it to ANYONE without getting your legal consent on a release form, you could sue their asses--even though it is clear by your actions that you are total exhibitionists and are not distressed by others seeing you.

    It goes even further than that. If you are wearing clothing that has anything that could possily be copyrighted or a registered trademark, the producers must also blot out your clothing or chase down the likely coyright or trademark holder for consent. Notice lately that if there is any logo or design on a person's shirt on TV more often than not it is blurred out? That is because the copyright or trademark holder of that image has the legal right to sue if they see it on TV without their permission--and they have sued with rapidly increasing frequency. Stupid, ridiculous but true (they sell logo shirts so everyone can wear them and be seen in public--but they have a problem with it briefly flashing on TV? morons...)

    Incidentally, all minors were given a release form to sign, but the parents had to also consent since minors cannot legally give consent on their own. Given the insanely litigious climate today (especially in the US where it is the new American dream it seems) it was a colossally stupid move on the game producres part to skip due-diligence and not get a release from every participant. The left themselves open to lawsuits and did not make enough effort to ensure they were not unwittingly producing child porn. they are so dumb they deserve to be sued out of existence.

    HOWEVER...It was equally colossally stupid for the 17-year-old girl to go on vacation and BREAK THE LAW by drinking underage and expose herself in public. Now she bitches and moans about having to deal with the obvious and inevitable consequenses of public drunkenness and nudity. HELLO...I bet there were a dozen other digital cams out there that captured your tits and that thousands of people on Kazza, eDonkey, Gnutella, etc were mastrubating to your pics LONG before that crappy game was released.

    I have some advice for her (and the hundreds of other young ladies out there that did the same thing on Calgary's Red Mile during the Stanley Cup finals)...when out in public...KEEP YOUR CLOTHES ON YOU STUPID SLUTTY BIMBOS! If you cannot seem to keep your tits in your shirts then don't complain about humiliation or trauma or the bad rep you got, because you DESERVE every bit of it. Accept it and be responsible for your consequenses. If you take resopnsibility and act maturely from that point on people will forgive you for doing something typically stupid in your youth. If you act childish and complain and sue and deflect blame

  19. Because im Bored.. by Deluxe_247 · · Score: 1

    Well, it's a Thursday before Christmas Shutdown, nobody is here except us few poor souls with no vacation time left, and I happened upon this post on /.

    SO - Because im bored, I decided to take a look at the website (pointed out in the website) that supposedly showcases this teenage girl along with her real name. Any speculation on which one she is? I think the blond, second from the left, is a good candidate.

    Maybe this should be a poll for the week? =)
    http://www.theguygame.com/index-enter.htm

    --
    Its Deluxe, son. Deluxe!
  20. Future Gartner research paper title by BenEnglishAtHome · · Score: 1

    The State of P2P: Analysis Shows "Guy Game" Is Half of All Traffic

  21. Pics and video by Alsee · · Score: 3, Informative

    Well here's the Guy Game website,
    and here's the Gamespot pics,
    and here's PS2 pics,
    and here's XBOX pics,
    and here's XBOX videos,
    and here's PS2 videos.

    Can anyone figure out who's the girl in question? Or I guess we can just download it all, and then see what pics and vids mysteriously vanish from the websites in the next day or two. heh.

    -

    --
    - - You can't take something off the Internet! That's like trying to take pee out of a swimming pool.
    1. Re:Pics and video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the easy way would be to look at all the girls who had their real first names listed on the website, as that's one of the things the lawsuit claims. So...how many chicks on that site have names? It's like the "featured" 8 right?

  22. It's not crowd footage....(pics) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's clear she was an active participant and knew EXACTLY what she was doing. Whoring for attention.

    They are great tits. Appearently what God saw fit to bless her with, wasn't good enough for her. Which is almost a tragedy, because, while it was a great job, I bet they were pretty good prior, and she is insanly cute otherwise.

    She jumps rope topless in front of a crowd on a professional set while smiling directly into a video camera. If she didn't sign an image relase, well then the publisher should take her lawyers balls on the chin. HELLO!! But if she did, the publisher should sue her.

    1. Re:It's not crowd footage....(pics) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you know it's that girl in particular?

    2. Re:It's not crowd footage....(pics) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      He probably doesn't... but when I played the game to review it, I saw her, and out of all the girls in the game, she's the one I would say would be the youngest of all the "contestants" in the POS that the game is. IE, if I had to choose the girl who was suing, it would be her.

      I only rented it, but now it might become a collector's item, much like all of Traci Lords' pre-18 pr0n is.

      Still, it was her fault for doing the game in the first place... but also Topheavy Studios fault for not verifying ages more thoroughly.

  23. This happen to girls gone wild by aka_big_wurm · · Score: 1

    Something like this happen to girls gone wild, There was a girl flashing the camera that was underage and sued. The case was won by GGW because the girl was doing it in public of her own free will. So if this game is done the same way using girls from the public then it should not be an issue for them.

    Also someone else said they are just boobs...

  24. Fake ID, certainly. by Kastigador · · Score: 1

    There's simply no way this girl got up there without a very convincing fake ID. None. They have a whole crew of people dedicated to verifying ID's and signing waivers in these kinds of productions. She falsified her age because she was hammered, no doubt about it.

    So now the question is, does the crew have a scanned copy of her license(most likely) and what does this do for their defense in regards to contractual law and their responsiblity to obey criminal law? Too bad we'll never really know the outcome as it is likely the case will be dropped or moved to an out of court settlement once both sides show their cards.

    Re: American society being f'd up
    So many older Americans act so naive about teenage kids. Kids getting out of high school already have been there and done that with most sexual feats I haven't even attempted. Why do you think STD's are running rampant amongst young people right now? Half are country is living in the dark, refusing to face the fact that sexual promiscuity is no longer a dirty little secret amonst teenagers. Then there daughter goes topless and suddenly we gotta sue. It wasn't her that was embarassed, it was her parents. Too top it all off, there's guarunteed to be plenty worse she has done. She was free of parental control, no doubt drinking, with friends, on spring break where people screwing around is the main focus. She prolly had sex with 2 or 3 different dudes, contracted HPV and a nasty case of syphallis as she's on birth control and is too drunk and dumb to realize she still needs to use a condom. Yeah, she'll be going to church alright. You think girls wanting to get attention from guys flashing aren't going to do other desperate things for attention from guys? Get a grip people! She's 17... immature, but not brain dead.