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Make Magazine Subscription Now Available

Jac_no_k writes "O'Reilly's Make magazine is now taking subscription orders. They have an offer for one bonus 'mook' by using the offer code 'M5ZXML'. Their description: 'MAKE is a new hybrid magazine/book ("mook") published quarterly by O'Reilly. MAKE brings the do-it-yourself mindset to all the technology in your life. MAKE is loaded with exciting projects that help you make the most of your technology at home and away from home. It follows in line with the Hacks books and Hardware Hacking Projects, but it takes a highly visual and personal approach.'" If the quality of the magazine is the same as their technical books, this should be a worthwhile subscription.

145 comments

  1. OK, But... by Staos · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The problem here is its such a broad topic. People's interest diverge so far that it's really a much more suitable topic for a generalized search engine Google rather than a magazine format. While some people will tend to think that stuff in the kitchen is cool, others will think it should include coding. Others will want automotive and others will prefer architecture or explosives or metalwork or hide tanning or alternative energy. The Foxfire series tried to do something similar, but they also had a theme beyond just doing it yourself which was doing it the old fashioned way. That only appealed to a certain set. Coming at it from the opposite, doing it yourself and doing in the new way doesn't really seem to work as a theme.

    I think the real question is, do we still need magazines?

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    1. Re:OK, But... by Zphbeeblbrox · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Some of us happen to have widely diverging interests in a broad range of areas. Me for instance. I like cooking, coding, reading, workin on my car, gaming and the list goes on. I'd sign up for the subscription just cause I like to learn new things in any subject. I don't think the topic is too broad at all. Now mayhap I am in the minority and they misjudged the size of the market but there is a market at least.

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    2. Re:OK, But... by garcia · · Score: 1

      Parent:
      While some people will tend to think that stuff in the kitchen is cool, others will think it should include coding. Others will want automotive and others will prefer architecture or explosives or metalwork or hide tanning or alternative energy.

      Article:
      Make brings the do-it-yourself mindset to all the technology in your life. Make is loaded with exciting projects that help you make the most of your technology at home and away from home. This is a magazine that celebrates your right to tweak, hack, and bend any technology to your own will.

      You know the when I was reading this I was hoping for something like the computer magazines of the past. 1000s of lines of BASIC code that you could create something with and build from there. Instead this seems like a lame attempt at a lame "hacking" book.

      Great, the premeire issue shows you how to suspend a video camera from a kite. Woo. How about something that hasn't been done before?

      I think the real question is, do we still need magazines?

      The second I can have a spare Internet device tucked under my sink or stacked on top of my toilet when I am in a pinch (pun not intended) then no. Until then I am happy to have my Maxim's stocked right there.

    3. Re:OK, But... by EnronHaliburton2004 · · Score: 1

      I think the real question is, do we still need magazines?

      After staring at computers all day at work, I don't want to spend more time staring at a computer screen in the bathroom or on the train commute home... a magazine is perfect for this purpose.

      Others will want automotive and others will prefer architecture or explosives or metalwork or hide tanning or alternative energy.

      But all that stuff is cool, and I want to do it all! I just don't have enough time ...

      I don't know if I would actually go about and do these projects, but I'd certainly read about how to make things which are outside my main interest. Heck, I might even expand my interests a bit and try to make some of those other things ...

    4. Re:OK, But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I think the real question is, do we still need magazines?

      Need is not an issue. Nobody's forcing you to read this stuff. If you don't want it, then don't read it.

    5. Re:OK, But... by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes and No.

      Example, I no longer subscribe to any american magazines, they all have been dumbed down to the lowest common denominator so they become worthless for someone looking for technical information.. so I replace them with European magazines in English format.

      Want an Example?

      linux journal I replaced with Linux format.. I regained the technical aspect that LJ had back in the 90's. I have done the same with web development magazines and programming magazines (ok, dobbs is still useful)

      unfortunately in the US magazine sucess are measured in net profits, and making a magazine that is 100% useless to the technical crowd is more profitable than making a magazine that is pretty dumbed down.

      I have tried online "electronic" subscriptions, but find them a PITA. I can not save issues in a format that would be searchable (Ok PDF can be searchable if unencrypted) and still useable by myself in 10 years. Yes I have issues of Circuit Cellar that are over 10 years old, and yes they are very useful.

      until they fix all that is wrong with e-texts and eliminate the paranoia that if someone has an unencrypted version of an issue than the world will be destroyed online magazines will continue to fail, and print magazines will continue to be accepted.

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    6. Re:OK, But... by RealityMogul · · Score: 3, Funny

      You're not in the minority, lots of us have ADD.

    7. Re:OK, But... by nomadic · · Score: 4, Funny

      How about something that hasn't been done before?

      Like poking a badger with a spoon?

    8. Re:OK, But... by Jane_the_Great · · Score: 1, Insightful
      Wow - all American magazines are dumbed down? You do realize that the word "all" has some meaning, right? Perhaps in the particular field of magazines you are talking about, there has been a dumbing down of the articles but does that mean that all American magazines have been dumbed down?

      Tell me, how has the New Yorker been significantly "dumbed down" from the version of the New Yorker produced in the 90s? Please cite specific articles. Thank you.

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    9. Re:OK, But... by PriceIke · · Score: 1

      I agree. I know we talk about important product announcements and things, but this is a magazine subscription. For pete's sake, can we leave the blatant advertising in the ad windows and such where we can ignore them if we choose? This is not news.

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    10. Re:OK, But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      please show me where the "new yorker" has any technical information in it? It will not as it is not a technical magazine

      it's obvious he is talking about technical magazines, someone that actually read the "new yorker" would know this.

    11. Re:OK, But... by slapout · · Score: 1

      Wow. I agree. I've been buying European (mainly British) computer magazines for a while now. Seems like all the American ones want to do is review stuff. (In this issue: Top 1000 Printers!)

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    12. Re:OK, But... by slapout · · Score: 1

      Great, the premeire issue shows you how to suspend a video camera from a kite. Woo. How about something that hasn't been done before?

      I know people have done this for a while, but I think that this is suppose to be more of explaining how they did it(and how you can too). Have there been many magazine how-to articles on amatuer aerial photography?

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    13. Re:OK, But... by Jane_the_Great · · Score: 1
      1. He said "all American magazines"
      2. He wanted technical information from "all American magazines."

      Using the above, we can see that he was using the definition of technical meaning Belonging or relating to a particular subject:. Therefore, the New Yorker has technical information on the arts. The question is - how has the New Yorker [a noted American magazine] been dumbed down.

      After all, according to the poster, all American magazines have been dumbed down.

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    14. Re:OK, But... by kzinti · · Score: 2, Funny

      Like poking a badger with a spoon?

      How about installing tits on a boar?

    15. Re:OK, But... by WinBorg · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If the Mook is cool enough with lots of ideas, then a reader with an adequate IQ should be able to adapt ideas given to applications he wants to do.
      i.e. there is a mention about kite-photography, what if you have a RC plane and dont want to build a kite? is it useless information now? no, it's an idea and you adapt it to your plane.
      come on, have some spunk.

      Before you think different, think.

    16. Re:OK, But... by ichimunki · · Score: 1

      What about Dr. Dobb's Journal? Seems like a top-notch American computer magazine to me.

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    17. Re:OK, But... by Usquebaugh · · Score: 3, Funny

      Prior art Dick Chenney?

    18. Re:OK, But... by eggoeater · · Score: 1

      It looks like a lot of the 'zine deals with building and hacking. I wonder how long before they get sued under DMCA for showing how to reverse engineer something. I also wonder if they'll avoid certain subjects just to avoid a suit....that'd suck.

    19. Re:OK, But... by OECD · · Score: 1

      Have there been many magazine how-to articles on amatuer aerial photography?

      Who needs magazines?

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    20. Re:OK, But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about 2600?

      What about EETimes?

      What about starting your own if you think there's a demand?

    21. Re:OK, But... by CodeArtisan · · Score: 1

      Even Dr. Dobbs has been dumbed down since its "Computer Calisthenics" era. Long gone are the days when I cut my teeth on complete listings for Pascal Compilers and the like.

    22. Re:OK, But... by MisterMoney · · Score: 2, Funny

      How about something that hasn't been done before?

      Like poking a badger with a spoon?


      I'm doing that right now. Sorry.

    23. Re:OK, But... by badmammajamma · · Score: 1

      While your statement is far too general, I do agree with you for the most part. For example, I have tried to find good magazines in the U.S. on photography and photographic equipment. There are none that I'm aware of that are anywhere near as good as the european ones. Read a review of a camera in a European magazine and it is FAR more detailed and informative than anything I've read in an American magazine. Hell, I can get far more detailed information on dpreview.com than I can get in any American magazine and it's completely free.

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    24. Re:OK, But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      exactly!

      when was the last time you saw cameras compared that used ISO standard targets and other standard tests?

      US magazines? pretty pictures... oooh see how the boats are prettier?

      BAH.

    25. Re:OK, But... by jovlinger · · Score: 1

      You're thinking of Garcia's (?) Circuit Cellar, from non-sucky BYTE ?

      Those articles were the best part of an excellent magazine.

    26. Re:OK, But... by freqres · · Score: 1

      You just haven't realized that there really is no spoon.

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    27. Re:OK, But... by freqres · · Score: 1

      Take a look at Circuit Cellar. If you have any interest in electronics/microprocessors/microcontrollers this magazine is top notch.

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    28. Re:OK, But... by parkrrrr · · Score: 3, Informative

      'twas Ciarcia's Circuit Cellar, I think.

      Circuit Cellar is a magazine in its own right, and it's not too bad (though it seems to be a bit heavy into using microcontrollers for everything.)

    29. Re:OK, But... by MisterMoney · · Score: 1

      You just haven't realized that there really is no spoon.

      But there is a badger, right??

      Because without the badger, I'd just look plain stupid.

    30. Re:OK, But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That just made me SO laugh out loud.

    31. Re:OK, But... by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Yes and no. Partially it has been dumbed down, but partially the place it used to fill has been taken by other things. If I want code listing, the first place I look is the internet. There didn't used to BE an internet!

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    32. Re:OK, But... by samdu · · Score: 2, Insightful
      unfortunately in the US magazine sucess are measured in net profits


      Not to sound like a dimwitted, capitalist, American pig or anything, but exactly what are magazines' successes based on in Europe?

    33. Re:OK, But... by ibbey · · Score: 1

      Thank you. I was going to say exactly the same thing, but you beat me to it... BTW, love the sig.

    34. Re:OK, But... by ibbey · · Score: 1

      For pete's sake, can we leave the blatant advertising in the ad windows and such where we can ignore them if we choose?

      This is a product announcement, yes. But it is an announcement for a product that a very large percentage of /. readers will be interested in. If you aren't, just skip to the next article. No one is forcing you to click the read more link. There are plenty more stories out there, so if you don't want to read this one, feel free to ignore it.

  2. Mook? by wackysootroom · · Score: 4, Funny

    I thought I was buying a Bagazine! WTF?

    1. Re:Mook? by marika · · Score: 0

      It's usually called a bookazine in america and a mook in asia.

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    2. Re:Mook? by RealAlaskan · · Score: 4, Funny
      I thought I was buying a Bagazine!

      No, it was an ordinary Magazine. The clerk had a cold. Didn't you notice that after she told you: ``$6.13 for the bagazine.'' she said: ``Hab a dice day.''?

    3. Re:Mook? by value_added · · Score: 1

      And last but not least ...

      There's the old joke about a guy named Mark being chased through a cemetary's grounds while taking a shortcut late one night.

      The "Mark! Mark! Mark!" behind him turns out to be from a dog with a cleft-palate.

  3. Animals by Admiral+Ackbar+8 · · Score: 3, Funny

    I will only purchase a subscription if every "mook" has a different animal pictured on the cover.

    1. Re:Animals by dsparil · · Score: 1

      Everyone will be an orangutan.

  4. Quality? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Would that be average quality? Some O'reilly books suck ass, you know.

    1. Re:Quality? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I assume your post will soon be deleted. This news story is paid for by O'Reilly and Associates.

      For more information about advertising on Slashdot, including buying stories, please visit OSTG.

    2. Re:Quality? by QMO · · Score: 1

      Need a more specific link. I couldn't find the info on buying slashdot stories.

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  5. First post... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... on /., but I am not the first one to subscribe Make.

  6. Finally, an alternative? by arturov · · Score: 1

    I've been looking for something to replace my subscription to SA for a long time. Over the years, it has become wayyyy too much like popular science/mechanics for my taste.

    1. Re:Finally, an alternative? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's SA?

    2. Re:Finally, an alternative? by Blue-Footed+Boobie · · Score: 1

      Scientific American

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    3. Re:Finally, an alternative? by arturov · · Score: 3, Funny

      Scientific American. I hope people didn't think I meant something awful.

    4. Re:Finally, an alternative? by mpathetiq · · Score: 1

      I instantly thought Something Awful. Damn SA infecting my brain. *insert witty SA catchphrase here*

    5. Re:Finally, an alternative? by amembleton · · Score: 1

      Try New Scientist if you can get it where you live.

    6. Re:Finally, an alternative? by dangineer · · Score: 1

      Personally I thought SA went way down hill a few years ago when they changed their format to look more like Discover (and content too). There used to be pretty good technical stuff from medicine to physics...sigh...JAR (just a rant).

    7. Re:Finally, an alternative? by BDaniels · · Score: 1

      I had the same complaint. Take a look at American Scientist (http://www.americanscientist.org/). It's published by Sigma Xi, and is much more in-depth and detailed than SA has become.

    8. Re:Finally, an alternative? by Gwenna · · Score: 1

      New Scientist (British, but they publish an American version with American job ads) is an excellent, weekly, replacement for SA.

      You might also try Science News, also a weekly, but sort of a condensed version of major stories in science journals that week.

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  7. Too religious... by Erwos · · Score: 1

    What with all this talk of meeting makers and such...

    -Erwos

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  8. Yeah, but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How long does it take to compile? My mailman isn't the fastest.

  9. Price by chamilto0516 · · Score: 4, Informative

    One Year - 4 Volumes $34.95
    Not bad, but not too good either. I dropped my subscriptions to Linux Journal and Linux Magazine when their prices went this high. I'll probably buy one or two off of the shelf before I decide to subscribe.

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    1. Re:Price by IronTek · · Score: 1

      But the rub there of course is that if you buy two off the shelf...well, you could have had five issues (counting the bonus one) for only five bucks more!

      This is what stops me from purchasing magazines at the bookstore. I figure that if I really want to read one issue badly enough to buy it, I should just subscribe.

      By the time I get home, the impulse has passed, and I usually don't subscribe or spend the money.

      I might get Make though.

    2. Re:Price by chamilto0516 · · Score: 1
      It works out for me that any given magazine (Linux Journal/Magazine/Format, Dr. Dobbs, etc.), 3 out of 12 issues are really awesome, 6 are just OK and I would read an article and put it down, and the other 3 just don't have anything for me. My price point is the cost of 3-4 issues I guess but everyone has their own price point.

      Note: the above math only works for monthly magazines. Do not apply to other subscription deliver frequencies.

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  10. Penthouse went bankrupt by ugmoe · · Score: 3, Funny

    If Penthouse magazine can go bankrupt even with naked boobies, what hope is there for a magazine without any boobies?

    1. Re:Penthouse went bankrupt by lukewarmfusion · · Score: 1, Funny

      We're talking about geeks here. Boobies get old. I could look at case mods all day long.

    2. Re:Penthouse went bankrupt by captaincucumber · · Score: 1

      I humbly suggest combining the two.

    3. Re:Penthouse went bankrupt by Tarlyn · · Score: 2, Funny

      Who said Make won't have any boobies? I heard one of their first issues will cover a DIY Real Doll.

    4. Re:Penthouse went bankrupt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The attraction of Penthouse wasn't the boobies, it was the muff and lack of standards that made it popular. It was the anti-Playboy for people who don't care that Playboy has good articles and want more revealing and less airbrushed pictures. Now it has nothing special, while Playboy still has the standards and the articles that aren't on the web.

    5. Re:Penthouse went bankrupt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Penthouse went bankrupt. Playboy is still going strong. Whereas Penthouse alienated their advertising base (alcohol and tobacco, chiefly) by going hardcore (and in some cases, bizarre hardcore, like watersport fetishes), Playboy kept up their nightclub-hopping James Bond style image and are going strong. I saw a copy of Penthouse a couple of years ago and couldn't believe it was the magazine I remembered as a kid. Had a chance to see a copy from '79 recently, and it wasn't just me that changed--the magazine just isn't the same.

    6. Re:Penthouse went bankrupt by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
      Um.....these guys aren't paying for a massive mansion or huge modeling fees for the bunnies.

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    7. Re:Penthouse went bankrupt by winkydink · · Score: 1

      Huge modeling fees? Think a couple hundred bucks and hour.

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    8. Re:Penthouse went bankrupt by Horse+Rotorvator+JAD · · Score: 1

      I had a friend who built a DIY RealDoll. He bought a used Mannequin at a garage sale (I am sure you can buy them off of eBay, also) and he drilled out a big hole between its legs. He then inserted a Fleshlight http://www.fleshlight.com/ into the hole and sealed in in there with some kind of epoxy.

      He normally kept it all dressed up and standing in its mannequin stand in the corner of his bedroom. Whenever me and friends went over to his place we would always lift up its skirt and laugh at the giant Fleshlight between its legs.

  11. mook? makezine? by GillBates0 · · Score: 1

    Makefile would've been a lot cooler IMHO. And quite relevant too, considering their target readership.

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  12. Does that mean... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I can finally put a REAL cupholder in my PC?

    1. Re:Does that mean... by jea6 · · Score: 1
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    2. Re:Does that mean... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My PC has two cupholders. The only problem is one is on top of the other, so I cannot use them both at the same time. Also certain websites will cause the top one to open on its own and spill my coffee in the lower cupholder.

  13. mmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    nice...

    now i can make my own stuff

  14. Makefiles by Staos · · Score: 1

    user@localhost>make o'reilly
    No rule to make target 'o'reilly'. Stop.

    Fuck. Not for me, I guess.

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    1. Re:Makefiles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      You must be running a strange shell if it accepts a line containing a single quote.

    2. Re:Makefiles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > > Unmatched '.
      > You must be running a strange shell if it accepts a line containing a single quote.

      Err, wouldn't that be a single single quote? :)

    3. Re:Makefiles by IdahoEv · · Score: 1

      No rule to make target 'o'reilly'. Stop.

      You didn't include enough falafel.

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  15. Miniature Claymore Mine? by Tibor+the+Hun · · Score: 3, Funny

    out of the office supplies? Hell yeah!!!

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    1. Re:Miniature Claymore Mine? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Check out the dispersement pattern >:)

      http://www.bleacheatingfreaks.com/science/OB/mic ro mine/

  16. sudden urge of Dr.Seuss... by zwilliams07 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Make is a mook that is really like a book but took the...

    :: head explodes ::

    1. Re:sudden urge of Dr.Seuss... by mopslik · · Score: 1

      Would you, could you, buy our mook?
      Would you, could you, take a look?
      Buy our mook? Take a look?
      It fits right in your shelving nook!

    2. Re:sudden urge of Dr.Seuss... by zwilliams07 · · Score: 1

      Oh fook.

  17. TCSH knows better. by SharpFang · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ~>make o'reilly
    Unmatched '.

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    1. Re:TCSH knows better. by sscanf · · Score: 1

      You forgot to escape it!

      $ make o\'reilly
      make: *** No rule to make target `o'reilly'. Stop.

      Hmmm....

      $ cat ${35bucks} | make o\'reilly
      make: *** No rule to make target `o'reilly'. Stop.
      bash: ${35bucks}: bad substitution

      Hmmm... I guess not me either.

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  18. Wait... by Blue-Footed+Boobie · · Score: 1
    Isn't "Mook" a slur?

    For example:

    "Tony, you are such a stupid mook."

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    1. Re:Wait... by Martin71a · · Score: 1
      As I understand it "mook" has been used as a slur to describe a foolish person of certain racial descent.

      Although a somewhat humorous attempt trying to combine magazine and book you would think O'Reilly would be smart enough to avoid a potential inflammatory word.

      Perhaps instead of Tony being a stupid mook it is O'Reilly marketing that is foolish?

    2. Re:Wait... by bugbread · · Score: 1

      My guess is that it's just taken from the Japanese word "mook" (same derivation: magazine/book) that's existed for years if not decades.

  19. All I want to know is... by Sensible+Clod · · Score: 1

    what was wrong with 'bagazine'? Or boogazine? Or mack?

    ...

    What? Wait, come back! ...doesn't anybody care?

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    1. Re:All I want to know is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're coming out with an editorial supplement called a "blogozine."

  20. /.ed ORA*? Wow. by ellem · · Score: 2, Informative

    We are currently experiencing technical difficulties.

    An email has been sent to the webmaster.

    Click here to go back or try again later.

    *actually it's not ORA it's https://www.pubservice.com/

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  21. No mooks by TRS80NT · · Score: 3, Funny

    I've given up fighting the word "blog" -- I just don't care anymore. The word "Mook", however, I'm ready to come out of retirement against.

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  22. Somebody playing too much Wizardry? by SharpFang · · Score: 1

    Big hairy thing. The Mook

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    1. Re:Somebody playing too much Wizardry? by Ravagin · · Score: 2, Funny

      i thought a mook was, like, someone who listened to limp bizkit. i swear i read that in the new york times. which may explain something.

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    2. Re:Somebody playing too much Wizardry? by AceCaseOR · · Score: 1
      No, no, no. Mooks are those nameless bad-guy thugs in action movies who exist for the sole purpose of dying and making our hero look cool while doing so.

      As it is, is anyone else getting vibes of Rifter Magazine here (Palladium Games' periodical for the various games that use the Palladium System, with a focus on Rifts.)

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  23. Re:/.ed ORA*? Wow. by jdbear · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I just tried to subscribe, got the same error. You'd think they would be ready for large volume for a subscription launch. If it was the Slashdot effect, that was really fast. I'd bet there's something else going on, such as a poor implementation of the subscription server. If they crash that soon, then they may not be able to handle a normal web traffic load, much less the /. crowd. jdbear

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  24. I think better merges would be...... by Dark+Demon · · Score: 1

    Hustler Boy or........PentJuggs

    1. Re:I think better merges would be...... by kzinti · · Score: 1

      Hustler Boy

      If you want to hustle boys, I guess that's your business, Father.

    2. Re:I think better merges would be...... by Dark+Demon · · Score: 1

      Ouch..... *note to self, think before you type

  25. Big mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Aside from the goofy name, this won't sell. What makes anyone think that ORA can sell a quarterly to the same FOSSils who wouldn't shell out for Linux books?

  26. a subscription service by UID30 · · Score: 2, Funny

    me thinks they need to "Make" a subscription service that can handle a decent slashdotting...

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    1. Re:a subscription service by HawkinsD · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hmmm.. Slashdotting doesn't usually cause an instant 404.

      I smell idiocy.

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    2. Re:a subscription service by nacturation · · Score: 1

      me thinks they need to "Make" a subscription service that can handle a decent slashdotting...

      Looks like this slashvertisement went awry.

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  27. MAKE... by erroneus · · Score: 1

    ...is what you say to kids when you're trying to get them to use the toilet.

  28. Gotta Make? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why does this remind me of taking a dump?

  29. Mook, shmook by AtariAmarok · · Score: 4, Insightful
    "Their description: 'MAKE is a new hybrid magazine/book ("mook") published quarterly by O'Reilly"

    Not sure we need another dumb-sounding buzzword for something that has been around for more than 90 years. "Afred Hitchcock's Mystery Magazine, "Weird Tales", "Astounding"...all of those old anthology magazines so little different from anthology books. Especially the issues with a single novella.

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    1. Re:Mook, shmook by alc6379 · · Score: 1

      Isn't this type of periodical also referred to simply as a quarterly?

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    2. Re:Mook, shmook by tmacd · · Score: 1

      It's not exactly an O'Reilly-invented buzzword. It's Engrish, really. The concept of a mook as a nice hobby magazine-book has been around in Japan since before I started watching anime ('93 or so) and probably a lot longer than that.

  30. Moops! by Reignking · · Score: 1

    Oh no...I'm sorry...the answer is "moops"!

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  31. But first by ch-chuck · · Score: 5, Funny

    Don't you have to have a subscription to "./configure" magazine first?

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    1. Re:But first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And on a similar note, which steps will need to be done as root?

  32. _That_ O'Reily by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was thinking that the last thing the world needed was more written drivel from the author & FoxNews persona.

  33. Subscription site... by Ransak · · Score: 1

    ... is 404 (running IIS). I wonder how much revenue they're losing after a Slashdot post?

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  34. Moors! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's Moors, you idiot! ...That's a misprint!

  35. Re:/.ed ORA*? Wow. by SquadBoy · · Score: 1

    Odd. Not 2 minutes ago I just finished mine.

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  36. Not unless... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You order the special "./make test" issue.

  37. Feh. Subscription website sucks. by .@. · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's outsourced.

    I tried to subscribe, submitting credit card immediately.

    I got an invoice instead.

    I called them. They won't have the data until Monday, because ORA has it (supposedly). They said, "sometimes that happens with websites."

    I threw up my hands and decided to submit payment for the invoice, using a credit card.

    I filled everything out. I checked all the appropriate boxes. I hit "Submit".

    The payment page simply reloaded. No confirmation, no email, no nothing.

    At this point, I've tried to pay twice. I thought I HAD paid. Twice. If this is how ORA wants to deal with their subscriptions, they just lost one. I have better things to do than help their outsourced subscription-handling company debug their craptacular approach to accepting money.

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  38. Buy the first, wait for the rest by jj00 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'll probably buy the first issue, but wait on getting a subscription.

    The problem with reading about these kinds of hacks online is that there are so many of them. I never know which ones are the most useful or the coolest. I don't know how many times I have paid little attention to an article on Slashdot, only to find it was a really cool topic when I see it on the Screen Savers.

    I'm hoping this magazine can help provide some insight, and maybe I'll learn something.

  39. http://www.freesoftwaremangazine.com by lavanderson · · Score: 2, Informative
  40. Re:Feh. Subscription website sucks. by delld · · Score: 1

    I did the same thing - the web site reports that I have not paid, but I got an email that seems to confirm that I did indeed pay. Seems that pubservice needs to hire better developers.

  41. You're in luck! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This issue has a human animal on the cover!

  42. Pay for a magazine? by e2d2 · · Score: 1

    The idea of a software developer paying for a software magazine is ludicrous.

    1. Re:Pay for a magazine? by chamilto0516 · · Score: 1
      The idea of a software developer paying for a software magazine is ludicrous.

      There are three classifications of magazines.

      1. Free: Well, not free. They require you to give up some information but that is almost free. You can even get these weekly but mostly the make for good BM reading.
      2. Cheap: These are special interest (Linux, Boating, Golf, etc.) that I suppose put the extra into the articles such that they can or need to charge something for it.
      3. Expensive: These are the periodicles that are basically collections of papers from industry experts and think tanks. These subscriptions are hundreds or even thousands of (insert your near USD currency here)

      OK, there are probably more than 3 classifications of magazines. I like the free ones, I pick up and subscribe to the cheap ones whenever the mood strikes me and I can't afford the expensive ones but I would be interested in what they say.

      I think you are saying that the advertisements should cover the total costs of the magzines. I'd like to know what a magazine insider had to say about that. Magazines often go under (I guess I mean here that magazine brands go under or re-purpose themselves) so I don't think they are making the killing that would allow them to not charge. The web is putting presure on them and in the tech sector alone, they have other problems. Will C/C++ Journal be around in 10 years? Will it have the readership to allow it to be free (it's not now) to all C/C++ users? That reminds me, My issue of PICK Users Weekly is late...

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    2. Re:Pay for a magazine? by siriuskase · · Score: 2, Informative

      There are 3 magazine business models:

      1. The readers pay

      2. the advertisers pay

      3. hybrid of the first two

      I don't mind any of them because I understand that the business model affects the editorial content. Sometimes, I want to read the stuff the advertisers will pay for me to read and sometimes I am willing to pay for something else. Sometimes the ads themselves are quite informative and interesting.

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    3. Re:Pay for a magazine? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But LJ is a strange one. I subscribed the first five(??) years but dropped it when the LG brouhaha was breweing, long after I gave up all hope of content returning to the better state it was earlier. (With some exceptions, Kenrel Korner being one, it was always great.)

      Now I include reading LJ in my public library trips, mainly because the advertisement still interests me. I have several times bought stuff based on ads in LJ which got me interested in the products.

      Weird.

    4. Re:Pay for a magazine? by e2d2 · · Score: 1

      To clarify what I meant - usually software magazines that are found on the news stands (your #2, Cheap) can usually be obtained through a free subscription if you are a software developer. This is not always the case but I've found that a lot of magazines simply want the eyeballs of the developers because that spells revenue for them.

      I'm not so cheap that I don't pick up a Dobbs every once in a while, but there are so many magazines on software development and administration that it would be impossible for me to pick them all up, thats why I love the free subscriptions.

  43. Re:Feh. Subscription website sucks. by bulletmissile · · Score: 1

    just tried it, it worked fine. I think you forget to click on the checkbox that your billing address is the same as your other address.

  44. Re:Feh. Subscription website sucks. by .@. · · Score: 1

    Nope. I made it a point to. I even went back in the cache and verified I did.

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  45. This is awesome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I checked out their website, some of the projects, and the price and find it awesome. I'll be one of the first subscribers. If I had kids I am sure they'd love those little projects.

  46. Re:/.ed ORA*? Wow. by danielbwoods · · Score: 3, Informative

    Our subscription fulfillment house has processed nearly 600 subscription orders since the original slashdot. But the truth is, we should have been able to handle the load. I have been told that they in fact did identify a problem within the past hour and have corrected it. Everything appears to be running smoothly. However, if you continue to experience difficulties subscribing, please contact me directly at dan@oreilly.com. Dan Woods Associate Publisher MAKE dan@oreilly.com

  47. see previous post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    eom

  48. Journals? by hisstory+student · · Score: 1

    Is Make Magazine supposed to turn into some kind of journal?, one that we keep on the shelf for reference year after year? At $15 a pop, one would hope so.

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  49. They are attempting to use Windows NT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    O'Reilly really should know better.

    I will subscribe when they get a better system, but not until then.

  50. Inigo Montoya moment by jalefkowit · · Score: 2, Informative

    Someone needs to tell O'Reilly that "mook" is already a word. And, um, a derogatory one at that.

    Another example of modern usage:

    The Mook is what critics call the crude, loud, obnoxious, in-your-face character that can be found almost any hour of day or night somewhere on MTV. He's a teen frozen in permanent adolescence. There's MTV's Tom Green of the "Tom Green Show"

    And the daredevils on "Jackass" who indulge in dignity-defying feats like poo diving. The Mook is also found in the frat boys on MTV's ubiquitous "Spring Break" specials. And, the Mook has migrated to MTV's sister network, Comedy Central, where he's the cartoon cutouts of "South Park," or the lads on the "Man Show."

  51. Re:Feh. Subscription website sucks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    - you're not hallucinating... the web site is FUCKED UP!

    1. filled out info, entered promo code

    2. continued, checked 'same as billing'

    3. entered cc info

    4. got the final page with links to pay with a credit card!

    FUCKED UP WEB SITE!!!

    O'Reilly, didn't you check this out????

    do any test runs, you idiots out there on the Left Coast?

    O'Reilly looks like it's getting too big for its britches now...

    maybe one of their HTML authors should have a go at the subscription site?

  52. If The Name Were 'Hack' Magazine... by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

    ...I might be tempted to try to scrape together the money to subscribe.

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  53. "Mook" isn't the only word they made up by boy_asunder · · Score: 1
    Did anyone else notice the banner ad offering online "University of Illinoise" certification?

    Why didn't anyone tell me my alma mater had been re-branded?

  54. I'm excited by Beek · · Score: 1

    This past semester, I took a class where we did a lot of AVR programming. Since I finished that class, I've been looking to continue this as a hobby. But I had no idea what would be some fun and useful embedded projects. I'm not expecting that to come directly from this magazine... But I'm hoping that there's something I can make, and then improve on by throwing a micro into the mix :-)

    If anyone has anymore resources for the wannabe-hobbyist, I'd like to know!

  55. Not BILL O'Reilly! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Freaked me out for a sec there.

    Tried to calculate how much the'd have to pay me to read a Bill O'Reily mag, but the hp49 only goes to 10^500

    wowser!

  56. Some clarification on "Mook" by May+Kasahara · · Score: 1
    I've seen "mook" used quite a bit for some high-quality Japanese magazines. For instance, I own a limited-edition Hobby Japan mook-- it's thin, but has glossy paper and high-end-paperback quality covers (like those you'd find on a graphic novel).

    It seems that O'Reilly has borrowed the term from the Japanese publishing industry and have applied it to their own new magazine series. Funny thing is that I didn't make the "magazine + book" connection until now o_O;

  57. Re:Feh. Subscription website sucks. by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 1
    It requires cookies.


    Try to pay w/o cookies and you get exactly your reported results.